{"id":630,"date":"2010-07-05T14:46:04","date_gmt":"2010-07-05T14:46:04","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/apagansblog\/2010\/07\/encountering-deities-and-spirits-first-post.html"},"modified":"2010-07-05T14:46:04","modified_gmt":"2010-07-05T14:46:04","slug":"encountering-deities-and-spirits-first-post","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/apagansblog\/2010\/07\/encountering-deities-and-spirits-first-post.html","title":{"rendered":"Encountering Deities and Spirits: first post"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><!--StartFragment--><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%\">Our discussion of<br \/>\nPagan atheism prompted me to write something on Paganism&#8217;s theistic side.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Speaking for myself, no argument<br \/>\nconvinced me to follow a Pagan path, it was concrete experiences that did:<br \/>\nencounters with a Pagan deity.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Not<br \/>\nsurprisingly, if Spirit is immanent, existing within the world, it is more<br \/>\naccessible than a purely transcendent entity. It seems to be accessible in a<br \/>\nnumber of ways, from the pantheistic perception that includes some calling themselves<br \/>\natheists to direct encounters in many different forms and under a wide variety<br \/>\nof circumstances, from complete sobriety to employing entheogens. This does not<br \/>\nmean that every spirit or force encountered is divine, but some are.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>I hope others who have had encounters<br \/>\nwill share them in the discussion I hope this post provokes.<\/p>\n<p><!--EndFragment--><\/p>\n<p><!--more--><br \/>\n<!--StartFragment--><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%\">There are a<br \/>\nvariety of dimensions to Pagan theism.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>Some I have experienced personally, others not. My initiatory deity<br \/>\nexperience involved encountering a deity experienced as on the outside.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>This happened at the first Midsummer I<br \/>\never attended, and is why I am a Pagan today. <span>&nbsp;<\/span>I wrote about it in <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Pagans-Christians-Personal-Spiritual-Experience\/dp\/1567182283\/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1278355360&amp;sr=1-1\">Pagans and Christians<\/a><span>&nbsp;<\/span>(shameless plug). Another kind of event would be visitations<br \/>\nin dreams.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>With one exception,<br \/>\nwhich I would not consider a <i>deity <\/i><span style=\"font-style:normal\">event,<br \/>\nI have not had those experiences &#8211; not that I remember anyway. Perhaps someone<br \/>\nelse can describe such a dream that happened to them.<span>&nbsp; <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%\">Another would be<br \/>\nactually seeing an entity or deity.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>I have seen entities but so far as I know, no deities.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Again, perhaps a reader can describe<br \/>\nsuch an event.<span>&nbsp;&nbsp; <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%\">Finally, there is<br \/>\nwhen a deity or other entity enters into our bodies and provides information or<br \/>\nactions that would not otherwise have happened. Exploring this latter is the<br \/>\npurpose of the remainder of this post.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%\"><span>&nbsp;<\/span>Deity incorporation is the practice that<br \/>\nmore than any other separates Gardnerian Wicca and similar Pagan traditions<br \/>\nfrom the West&#8217;s traditional idea of spirituality and religion. In Wicca we call<br \/>\nthis experience Drawing Down the Moon when the Goddess or some aspect of Her,<br \/>\nenters into the high priestess, or Drawing Down the Sun when the God or an<br \/>\naspect of Him, enters into the high priest.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Again, this is not the only kind of encounter with spirits<br \/>\nand deities that Wiccans can have, but it is a profoundly meaningful one.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>This kind of experience is hardly<br \/>\nunique to Wicca.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%\">It is also one of<br \/>\nthe greatest experiences within many other Pagan practices world-wide, where<br \/>\nyour body is entered into or even temporarily &#8220;borrowed&#8221; by another<br \/>\nentity.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>This usually occurs within<br \/>\nritual space or when explicitly invited.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>In contrast to possessory or other invasive phenomena, the beings leave<br \/>\nwhen requested, or earlier, if they have finished what they came to do.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height:150%\"><b>Incorporation in Western history<\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%\">Most people do<br \/>\nnot know how important a role this kind of communication from the spirit world<br \/>\nhas played in our history.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>To give<br \/>\none example, Socrates began his civilization-changing mission in response to a<br \/>\nmessage from the Delphic Oracle, given to him by a Priestess in trance.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Her message was followed by other more<br \/>\ndirect communications to Socrates himself from the Gods and other spiritual<br \/>\nsources.<span>&nbsp; <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.bartleby.com\/268\/1\/11.html\">As he described it<\/a><span>&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-left:.25in;line-height:150%\"><span style=\"font-family:Times;color:#000118\">&#8230;this duty, as I say, has been enjoined<br \/>\nme by the deity, by oracles, by dreams, and by every mode by which any other<br \/>\ndivine decree has ever enjoined anything to man to do.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%\">In addition,<br \/>\nSocrates testified he had a <i><a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Daemon_(classical_mythology)\">daimon<\/a><\/i><span style=\"font-style:normal\"> &nbsp;that would warn him when he would begin to make a serious mistake.<a href=\"http:\/\/www.bartleby.com\/268\/1\/11.html\"> In the <\/a><\/span><i><a href=\"http:\/\/www.bartleby.com\/268\/1\/11.html\">Apology<\/a><\/i><span style=\"font-style:normal\"> he said<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-left:.25in;line-height:150%\"><span style=\"font-family:Times;color:#000118\">I am moved by certain divine and<br \/>\nspiritual influence . . . This began with me from childhood, being a kind of<br \/>\nvoice which, when present, always diverts me from what I am about to do, but<br \/>\nnever urges me on.&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%\">In the <i>Phaedrus,<\/i><span style=\"font-style:normal\"> Socrates&#8217; great speech on love was apparently made<br \/>\nwhile in a state of incorporation.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>As is obvious from Plato&#8217;s descriptions, these kinds of events were not<br \/>\nconsidered particularly unusual in Greece at the time.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Certainly those with him when these<br \/>\nthings happened were not amazed at the events.<span>&nbsp; <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%\">What counted for<br \/>\nmost Greeks was the quality of the spirit involved, not whether or not it was<br \/>\nreal.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Just because an entity spoke<br \/>\nthrough a human intermediary did not mean it was wise or helpful.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>So far a I know, this has been the case<br \/>\nin all traditions that make use of this practice.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%\">It is ironic that<br \/>\nPlato and Socrates, the two men most responsible for the Western philosophical<br \/>\ntradition, took spirit incorporation as a fact of life.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>As I myself have come to do. The broad<br \/>\nphilosophical traditions these men initiated now universally<span>&nbsp;<\/span>deny the reality of such phenomena, and<br \/>\nmostly ignore its reported role in their own origins. They also ignore its<br \/>\nappearance world wide, for thousands of years, probably since the dawn of<br \/>\nhumanity, if not before.<span>&nbsp; <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height:150%\"><b>Why Not So Much Today?<\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%\">I have long been<br \/>\ncurious as to why some people experience spirit incorporation relatively<br \/>\neasily, and others do not.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>I have<br \/>\nconcluded that Western culture is probably the most closed to such experiences<br \/>\nof any major culture, worldwide.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>Why?<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%\">The first reason<br \/>\nis pretty certainly our Christian heritage.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>In its various forms the church has universally denounced<br \/>\nspirit communication as the deceitful work of demons.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Nothing should be an authority except for scripture properly<br \/>\ninterpreted, and a church hierarch.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>No one should ever depend on his or her own insight, with or without<br \/>\nspirit help, even if the spiritual source appears orthodox.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>The somewhat similar practices of Pentacostalists<br \/>\nand charismatics have been controversial and distrusted within most<br \/>\ninstitutionalized churches although, interestingly, their numbers have recently<br \/>\ngrown substantially across denominations.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>But except for charismatics and Pentacostals, and then mostly in<br \/>\nChristian services, many people are terrified of experiences such as Socrates<br \/>\nand other Greeks had.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Fear create<br \/>\na barrier.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%\">But there is more<br \/>\nto the matter than this, and these other reasons may explain its not being more<br \/>\ncommon among NeoPagans.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>The West<br \/>\nhas long identified itself as universally individualistic.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Protestant Christianity is usually<br \/>\ncredited with strengthening this individualism with its emphasis on the sole<br \/>\nimportance of the individual&#8217;s relationship to God.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>At its extremes other people were seen as potential<br \/>\nimpediments to this primary focus. Western individualism seems unique in so<br \/>\noften denying connection with others as essential part of what it is to be a<br \/>\nhuman being.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>This attitude colors<br \/>\nmuch more than our approach to the Sacred.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%\">When writing with<br \/>\nmy political scientist&#8217;s hat on, I have argued one place where this sense of<br \/>\nthe isolated individual manifests very destructively is in our conception of<br \/>\nownership.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>The West usually<br \/>\nconceives the relation of ownership as despotic power over a thing: I can do<br \/>\nanything I want with what is mine. The conception of freedom that shakes out is<br \/>\nof a gaggle of despots each of whom completely respects one another&#8217;s realm of<br \/>\nabsolute domination. Such a perspective has a hard time seeing any inequality<br \/>\nof power between workers and bosses or consumers and corporations.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>All despots are equal within their own<br \/>\nrealm and so long as realms are respected, the relative size of their domains<br \/>\nis irrelevant.<span>&nbsp; <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%\">I believe for<br \/>\nreasons both historical and logical that a more accurate view of the matter is<br \/>\nthat property rights are the rights to enter into certain relationships with<br \/>\nwhat is owned and with others.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>What is central for my discussion here is the distinction between a<br \/>\ndespot&#8217;s concern with secure boundaries compared to the sense of permeable<br \/>\nboundaries when ownership arises out of relationships.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Such ownership facilitates connection.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%\">Another off shoot<br \/>\nof Western individualism relevant to this post is its view of knowledge. The<br \/>\nscientific ideal of knowledge fits this individual as isolated and autonomous<br \/>\nbeing image.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Reality is what we<br \/>\ncan measure, experiment upon, and predict.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>To the degree we can so manipulate it, reality is at least<br \/>\npotentially under our control. I as a sovereign individual am surrounded by a<br \/>\nworld of things, of objects, which I and similarly sovereign individuals<br \/>\nappropriate and exchange.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>Expanding knowledge increases human power.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%\">This denial of<br \/>\nrelationship, and therefore of intrinsic value in another, is why scientific<br \/>\nmethods are controversial when applied to human beings.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>It is all too easy to step from saying<br \/>\nthis is a good way of finding some knowledge out about people to saying this is<br \/>\nthe best way to find knowledge as such out about people.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%\">As a kind of<br \/>\ncorollary, subjective knowledge, such as we have of the character of our<br \/>\nfriends and loved ones, is devalued.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>It is personally important, but not &#8220;really&#8221; real because it cannot be<br \/>\ndemonstrated objectively.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>To the<br \/>\ndegree we buy in to this model, our sense of personal isolation increases.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Our dominant conception of knowledge is<br \/>\na poor approach to connecting with what can only be understood within a<br \/>\nrelationship.<span>&nbsp; <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%\">Relatively closed<br \/>\nboundaries for the self not only close us off to other people, they also close us off to more subtle energies in our environment.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Western individualism is an extreme expression of this attitude,<br \/>\nand on balance American society is an extreme expression of Western<br \/>\nindividualism.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>In what other<br \/>\ncountry is such a disturbed view of human relations <a href=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/apagansblog\/2010\/03\/individuality-freedom-and-superiority-returning-to-ayn-rands-problems.html\">as expressed by Ayn Rand<\/a><br \/>\ntaken as an ideal by many adults? <span>&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/span><span>&nbsp;<\/span>Remember Rand&#8217;s supporters in earlier comments on this blog<br \/>\nwho argued it was fine to despoil the Indians because they were not &#8220;using&#8221;<br \/>\ntheir land in the way Randians found appropriate? (See my discussion with her<br \/>\ndevotees, <a href=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/apagansblog\/2010\/03\/individuality-freedom-and-superiority-returning-to-ayn-rands-problems_comments.htm\">starting with my 1:16 comment<\/a>. ) <a href=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/apagansblog\/2010\/03\/individuality-freedom-and-superiority-returning-to-ayn-rands-problems_comments.html\">l<\/a><span>&nbsp; <\/span><span>&nbsp;<\/span>They did so while praising voluntary cooperation among<br \/>\n&#8216;rational&#8217; people, without any awareness of the gaping<span>&nbsp; <\/span>and quite irrational hole in their<br \/>\nreasoning.<span>&nbsp; <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%\">Where else but<br \/>\nAmerica is a serious argument made that empathy is a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.huffingtonpost.com\/george-lakoff\/empathy-sotomayor-and-dem_b_209406.html\">disqualifying capacity <\/a>for<br \/>\nbeing a judge? <span>&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/span><span>&nbsp;<\/span>Clinically, a person without empathy is regarded as a<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Psychopathy\">mentally defective<\/a> human being. <span>&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/span>But then, this is a society where a<br \/>\ncorporation, the very incarnation of sociopathy, is regarded as a person in the<br \/>\neyes of the law. There is something deeply disturbed about American<br \/>\n&#8216;individualism&#8217; when empathy is derided and a corporation is called a person<br \/>\nand given more access to political decision making than a human being.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%\">The West&#8217;s<br \/>\nrelative closedness to the outside except when it is in control, and therefore<br \/>\nclosedness to this kind of spiritual encounter, is not simply &#8220;being modern.&#8221;<br \/>\nOther modern societies manage quite well without this attitude.<span>&nbsp; <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Shamans-Nostalgias-IMF-Popular-Religion\/dp\/0824833430\/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1277054673&amp;sr=1-4\">Modern Korea<\/a> <span>&nbsp;<\/span>and Taiwan have strong traditions of<br \/>\nmediumship and shamanism, and family mediumship traditions are <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Spirits-Are-Drunk-Comparative-Approaches\/dp\/0791423166\/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1277054387&amp;sr=1-1\">rapidly<br \/>\nreappearing<\/a> in modern China.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%\">I think the rise<br \/>\nof possessory\/incorporative traditions in the modern West, and perhaps the<br \/>\ngrowth of charismatics within Christianity, is a sign of deeply profound<br \/>\ncultural changes taking place. The feminizing of our culture, so long overdue,<br \/>\nis making the openness required for these kinds of experiences more acceptable,<br \/>\nfirst among women for whom openness is initially more acceptable, and then<br \/>\namong men. But our individualistic concern with impregnable boundaries remains<br \/>\na barrier to contact.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height:150%\"><b>Seeing and Feeling Energy and<br \/>\nBoundaries<\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%\">I was intrigued<br \/>\nthat when I wrote my blog posts on how to <a href=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/apagansblog\/2007\/07\/seeing-subtle-energies.html\">see<\/a><span>&nbsp;<\/span>and <a href=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/apagansblog\/2009\/04\/feeling-energy.html\">feel<\/a><span>&nbsp;<\/span><span>&nbsp;<\/span>energy fields I received no comments at all.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>None.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Not positive.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>Not negative.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Perhaps it<br \/>\nwas because most of my readers already knew this.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Perhaps many people did not want to see for themselves<br \/>\nwhether or not our boundaries interpenetrate with those of others, comprising a<br \/>\nfield rather than a collection of independent objects. Perhaps some readers<br \/>\nwent off to try these suggestions, and never reported whether they worked or<br \/>\nnot. Perhaps there were other reasons.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>I do not know.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>But I do<br \/>\nknow that when you can see and feel the continual interpenetration of our<br \/>\nselves with the rest of the world, the West&#8217;s extreme individualism is<i><br \/>\nobviously<\/i><span style=\"font-style:normal\"> a mental error and a perceptual<br \/>\nshortcoming.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%\">From years of<br \/>\nexperience casting circles and working with energy I know a strong sense of<br \/>\nself-containment puts up barriers that screen out harmful and beneficial forces<br \/>\nalike.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Is it a better or worse way<br \/>\nto live than not doing so? There are times when shields are a good idea, and times<br \/>\nwhen their costs outweigh their benefits. But on balance, if we deliberately<br \/>\nclose ourselves off from connection with the world, we are usually the poorer<br \/>\nfor it.<span>&nbsp; <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%\">In the Brazilian<br \/>\nhealing group of which I was a member for six years (and in groups I have<br \/>\noccasionally conducted independently for nearly 20 more) many members had to<br \/>\nparticipate for years before the stronger incorporative experiences happened to<br \/>\nthem.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>And they were hardly a<br \/>\nrandom group.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Other participants<br \/>\nentered into these relationships very quickly.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>There were many degrees of trance attained, from a slight<br \/>\nalternation of perspective not altogether different experientially from being<br \/>\nstoned, to full blown incorporation, where the person was either taken over<br \/>\nbriefly by the entity or allowed the entity in to do things the person could<br \/>\nnot do. (Some scholars argue the distinction between mediumship and shamanism<br \/>\nis precisely this degree of control, with the shaman actively involved, the<br \/>\nmedium more passive.)<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%\">In a Wiccan<br \/>\ncontext Drawing Down the Moon or the Sun also varies in intensity, but I<br \/>\nbelieve normally grows in ease of access and power of connection with<br \/>\nexperience.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Such has been my<br \/>\nexperience, anyway. But NeoPagan traditions are new at developing practices<br \/>\nthat largely died out in the West millennia ago.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Many have learned and benefited from experience with African<br \/>\ndiasporic traditions they have attended.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height:150%\"><b>Incorporation and Spiritual<br \/>\nwisdom<\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%\">As a person for<br \/>\nwhom this kind of encounter came relatively easily, I once wondered whether it<br \/>\nwas evidence of &#8220;spiritual maturity&#8221; or &#8220;accomplishment.&#8221;<span>&nbsp; <\/span>I no longer think it is anything of the<br \/>\nkind. Some spiritually aware and committed people enter into these<br \/>\nrelationships relatively easily, others do not.<span>&nbsp; <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%\">In addition, I am<br \/>\nnot convinced that being &#8220;spiritually advanced&#8221; is even necessary for entering<br \/>\ninto such a relationship.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>Certainly when it first happened to me, and many times thereafter, I<br \/>\nwould not have called myself &#8220;spiritually advanced.&#8221;<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Though I believe (and certainly hope) I&#8217;ve made some<br \/>\nprogress since then, I still would not use that term today.<span>&nbsp; <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%\">Openness to<br \/>\nspirit incorporation is a talent that like other talents seems unevenly<br \/>\ndistributed across our species. Some people have this capacity to a far greater<br \/>\ndegree than I do, and some have it less.<span>&nbsp;&nbsp; <\/span>It can be valuable in some spiritual traditions and<br \/>\nvery disruptive in others, but it is particularly useful in spiritual<br \/>\ntraditions emphasizing sacred immanence: that Spirit is everywhere.<br \/>\nImportantly, it is an ability that can be developed<span>&nbsp; <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%\">There is no<br \/>\ncertain formula.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>These experiences<br \/>\ndo not appear to be brought on by a particular musical rhythm or external<br \/>\nenvironment that triggers changes in brain states, although ritual space seems<br \/>\nmore conducive to incorporation than mundane space.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>To be sure, in some African diasporic traditions particular<br \/>\nrhythms played within particular ritual spaces do seem connected to particular<br \/>\nentities.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Even so, incorporation<br \/>\nand trance can also happen quite unexpectedly and far from ritual or music.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>On the other hand, the same rhythm or<br \/>\nritual or frame of mind or mental state can have no impact at all, with<br \/>\nincorporation not happening.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>Friends of mine describe an experience when visiting Brazil, where one of<br \/>\nthe leaders of a temple there had always wanted to experience incorporation,<br \/>\nand never had. <span>&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/span>They were<br \/>\nthere when, after years of work and service, she finally experienced her first<br \/>\n&#8220;close encounter of the fourth kind.&#8221;<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%\">The spirit<br \/>\nchooses to come or not, for whatever reason.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Even those for whom these experiences are common report<br \/>\ntheir intensity can vary dramatically.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>There are no guarantees.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height:150%\"><b>Experiencing It for Yourself<\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%\">If I had to<br \/>\nadvance a tentative overview of these issues for someone seeking such an<br \/>\nencounter, I would make the following suggestions.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>First, the degree to which someone is open to other peoples&#8217;<br \/>\nfeelings is probably usually correlated with their capacity to enter into these<br \/>\nrelationships.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Second, the more<br \/>\nexposure someone has within contexts where these things happen, the greater<br \/>\ntheir likelihood of entering into such a relationship.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Go to rituals and celebrations where<br \/>\nthe Gods and spirits are invoked, and come.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Repeatedly expose yourself to those &#8216;energy fields.&#8217;<span>&nbsp; <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%\">I will repeat my<br \/>\ndescription of my first such experience in a passage I wrote Joshua in an<br \/>\nearlier discussion. <\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-left:27.0pt;line-height:150%\">Many years ago,<br \/>\nin the 1980s, I was invited to a Brazilian style Umbanda drumming<br \/>\nceremony.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Never having been to one<br \/>\nand knowing almost nothing about it, I sat on a chair in the back of the room.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>I was dressed in white because all who<br \/>\ncame were asked to do so.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-left:27.0pt;line-height:150%\">The<br \/>\nleader\/shaman began the ceremony and went into trance with a &#8220;caboclo&#8221; spirit &#8211;<br \/>\na kind of South American Indian spirit.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-left:27.0pt;line-height:150%\">As the ritual<br \/>\ncontinued I noticed some twitching in my body.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>I tried to sit still, so as not to be disruptive to those<br \/>\naround me, but it was getting difficult.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>The twitching was getting stronger, though I was still sitting in my<br \/>\nchair.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-left:27.0pt;line-height:150%\">The leaders<br \/>\nnoticed me, signaled to stop the drumming, and wordlessly motioned for me to<br \/>\ncome forward.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>I did so, fully<br \/>\nexpecting to be expelled from the ceremony for being disruptive.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>My ignorance of this sort of thing was<br \/>\nabout 100%.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-left:27.0pt;line-height:150%\">As I stood<br \/>\nbefore him, the center of very unwanted attention, he touched me briefly in the<br \/>\nforehead and base of the skull (or the other way around) and signaled for the<br \/>\ndrumming to resume.<span>&nbsp; <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-left:27.0pt;line-height:150%\">My feet started<br \/>\nto dance, and I was not doing it.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>No one else had entered into this kind of trance at the ritual, nor had<br \/>\nI ever seen this kind of thing.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>I<br \/>\nhad read about it, and decided that the entranced people were either faking it,<br \/>\nor simply carried away by their enthusiasm.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Now it was happening to me.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>I remember thinking something like &#8220;My god, this is real!&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-left:27.0pt;line-height:150%\">I continued to<br \/>\ndance\/be danced alone in front of a bunch of strangers for quite some time.<br \/>\n(Anyone who knows me knows this is unheard of behavior on my part, before or<br \/>\nsince, unless I am being &#8220;ridden&#8221; as the term goes.)<span>&nbsp; <\/span>In time a few others entered into trance and did the same.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>At a certain point the leader signaled,<br \/>\nthe drumming shifted, the spirits were asked to depart, and my feet stopped<br \/>\ndancing.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%\">Probably most<br \/>\nimportantly, incorporation is a two way street, and the entities involved, from<br \/>\nspirits to what I call &#8220;high beings&#8221; or deities have their own agendas.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Their agenda may or may not involve<br \/>\nworking with you, and even if it does it may or may not involve doing a lot of<br \/>\nsuch work.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>I would guess that the<br \/>\nmore fervently a person seeks to go into trance the more ego and power motives<br \/>\nare involved, and all else being the same, the more that ego and power, the &#8216;I<br \/>\nwant!&#8217; is involved, the less likely incorporation will happen.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>So when putting yourself in contexts<br \/>\nwhere this kind of thing might happen patience, humility and good sense are<br \/>\nalways wise ideas.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Invite, be<br \/>\navailable, and don&#8217;t demand at any level.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>(Notice &#8211; when we demand we separate ourselves out from that which we<br \/>\ndesire we create or strengthen boundaries. And we have a sense of our own<br \/>\npower, which I think is a mistake in these contexts.)<span>&nbsp; <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%\">If a group<br \/>\npractices entity incorporation, and you are not impressed with their openness<br \/>\nof heart and personal and group integrity, <i>don&#8217;t go there<\/i><span style=\"font-style:normal\">.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Just<br \/>\nas with dealing with people, not all ritual trance and other contact is<br \/>\nbeneficial.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Just because an entity<br \/>\nclaims to be wise does not mean it is.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>In the <\/span><i>Phaedrus <\/i><span style=\"font-style:normal\">Socrates<br \/>\nmakes just such distinctions.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Like<br \/>\npeople, entities can initially be evaluated by the kind of company they<br \/>\nkeep.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>It&#8217;s a good first step,<br \/>\nespecially for wise beginners, to &#8220;run with a good crowd.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%\">Once this<br \/>\nexperience happens, the more you do it the easier it gets.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>It is as if we get &#8216;tuned.&#8217;<span>&nbsp; <\/span>But developing this capacity is not<br \/>\nsomething to take lightly.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Even<br \/>\nafter initial connection, it can take years before the person has a smooth meld<br \/>\nwith the spirit energies.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>In the<br \/>\nAfrican diasporic traditions these experiences come with sometimes substantial responsibilities.<br \/>\nWicca is less demanding, but the experiences are <i>usually<\/i><span style=\"font-style:normal\"> less powerful.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>I am not sure of all the reasons for this, but the relatively lighter<br \/>\ncommitment by the practitioner is likely a part of it.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>This makes sense if we are seeking a<br \/>\nrelationship, rather than responding to some physiological or psychological<br \/>\ncue.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%\">It is all very<br \/>\nconfusing if we try and put these kinds of experiences into logical boxes<br \/>\ngiving us a means of rational control or reduce them to some kind of<br \/>\nreductionist scientific analysis.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>Committed aggressive atheists deal with these phenomena most often by<br \/>\nnot discussing them.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>When pushed<br \/>\nthey will say somehow those who have such experiences are either faking or are<br \/>\nmentally unsound, unlike themselves.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>On the other hand, this kind of experience is not so confusing if we<br \/>\ngrant that there is will, care, intelligence, and even love and compassion on<br \/>\nboth sides of the veil.<\/p>\n<p><!--EndFragment--><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Our discussion of Pagan atheism prompted me to write something on Paganism&#8217;s theistic side.&nbsp; Speaking for myself, no argument convinced me to follow a Pagan path, it was concrete experiences that did: encounters with a Pagan deity.&nbsp; Not surprisingly, if Spirit is immanent, existing within the world, it is more accessible than a purely transcendent&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":9,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[105,108],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-630","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-pagan-spirituality","category-spirituality"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v23.9 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Encountering Deities and Spirits: first post - A Pagan&#039;s Blog<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/apagansblog\/2010\/07\/encountering-deities-and-spirits-first-post.html\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Encountering Deities and Spirits: first post - A Pagan&#039;s Blog\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Our discussion of Pagan atheism prompted me to write something on Paganism&#8217;s theistic side.&nbsp; 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