{"id":625,"date":"2010-06-29T14:07:17","date_gmt":"2010-06-29T14:07:17","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/apagansblog\/2010\/06\/pagan-atheism-a-second-look.html"},"modified":"2010-06-29T14:07:17","modified_gmt":"2010-06-29T14:07:17","slug":"pagan-atheism-a-second-look","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/apagansblog\/2010\/06\/pagan-atheism-a-second-look.html","title":{"rendered":"Pagan Atheism: a second look"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><!--StartFragment--><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in\">The apparent paradox of Pagan<br \/>\natheism has prompted me to do a lot more thinking about atheism than I ever<br \/>\nhave before.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>In the process I<br \/>\npicked up a copy of the British philosophical journal <i><a href=\"http:\/\/www.philosophynow.org\/contents?issue=78\">Philosophy Now<\/a><\/i>, &nbsp;which had a fascinating article on &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.philosophynow.org\/issue78\/78cliteur.htm\">Varieties of Atheist Experience<\/a>&#8221; by Paul<br \/>\nCliteur.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in\">It turns out that atheism is a<br \/>\ncomplex term with a number of reasonable meanings beyond the dogmatic<br \/>\nassertions that modern reductionist science knows all we need to know to answer<br \/>\nthe fundamental questions of life and consciousness. I recommend the dogmatists<br \/>\ntake a look.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>They may well be<br \/>\nappropriating a complex word to express a simple thought, just as the anything<br \/>\nbut skeptical people today do who misleadingly call themselves &#8220;skeptics.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in\">The rest of us would benefit as<br \/>\nwell.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Here I will focus on only a<br \/>\ncouple of alternative meanings.<\/p>\n<p><!--EndFragment--><\/p>\n<p><!--more--><br \/>\n<!--StartFragment--><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in\">To be an atheist does not<br \/>\nnecessarily deny the existence of what we term today &#8220;paranormal phenomena&#8221; nor<br \/>\ndoes it necessarily deny the existence of a kind of impersonal pantheistic<br \/>\nunity to the universe.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Both questions<br \/>\nare logically and practically separate from whether Gods exist, whether<br \/>\npersonal or impersonal. And both questions are highly relevant to the question<br \/>\nof &#8220;Pagan atheism.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><b>A Personal Admission<\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in\">I practice Pagan spirituality<br \/>\ntowards its shamanic end rather than towards its celebratory end, if I can make<br \/>\nthat distinction.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Wicca tends to<br \/>\nbe celebratory, but some traditions, the Gardnerian among them, also have a<br \/>\nshamanic component.<span>&nbsp; <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in\">I have had a number of encounters<br \/>\nwith deities and spirits that have convinced me it is more reasonable for me to<br \/>\nbelieve they exist than that they do not.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>But I am equally certain that absent such encounters, in my<br \/>\njudgment there is no very good reason to believe they do exist beyond taking<br \/>\nother people&#8217;s word for it.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>And<br \/>\nthat latter strategy has obvious risks. &nbsp;Why some of us have such encounters and some do not is a mystery to me, but I am pretty certain it is not a sign of &#8216;spiritual development.&#8217;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in\">I will soon have a post up on these<br \/>\nphenomena, but I mention them now so readers can see where I am coming from.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>I am seeking to understand<br \/>\nsympathetically a position I personally do not hold.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>I think I succeed, but my readers, particularly Pagan<br \/>\natheists, can be the judge.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><b>Atheism in Science<\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in\">A great many scientists, including<br \/>\nmany of the most important, have described their sense of wonder and awe at the<br \/>\nbeauty and magnificence of the universe.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>They do not describe themselves as religious in any conventional sense,<br \/>\nand can reasonably be termed atheistic.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>But in a Pagan way.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>Why?<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Because they perceive<br \/>\nthe universe as intrinsically possessing qualities worthy of their awe\/.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>I will pick one: beauty.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in\">The garden variety Dawkinsesque<br \/>\natheist would agree with the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Chance-Necessity-Natural-Philosophy-Biology\/dp\/0394718259\">French scientist Jacques Monod<\/a> &nbsp;that we live in a world of &#8220;icy solitude&#8221; and &#8220;If he accepts this message in<br \/>\nits full significance, man must awaken from his millenary dream and<span style=\"font-family:Times;color:black\"> discover his total solitude, his<br \/>\nfundamental isolation.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>He must<br \/>\nrealize that, like a gypsy, he lives on the boundary of an alien world that is<br \/>\ndeaf to his music, and as indifferent to his hopes as it is to his sufferings<br \/>\nor his crimes.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in\"><span style=\"font-family:Times;color:black\">A sense of isolation and estrangement is captured by the terms<br \/>\n&#8220;icy&#8221; and &#8220;alien.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in\"><span style=\"font-family:Times;color:black\">This is quite a different attitude from the atheistic attitude I<br \/>\nam describing where the universe in its beauty and other qualities fulfills a<br \/>\nscientist&#8217;s purpose and life in exploring its wonders.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>As an example of this view, consider<br \/>\nAlbert Einstein, <a href=\"http:\/\/sciphilos.info\/docs_pages\/docs_Einstein_fulltext_css.html\">who observed<\/a>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-left:27.0pt;text-indent:9.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:Times;color:black\">The most beautiful thing we can<br \/>\nexperience is the mysterious.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>It<br \/>\nis the source of all true art and science.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer<br \/>\npause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are<br \/>\nclosed.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>This insight into the<br \/>\nmystery of life, coupled though it be with fear, has also given rise to religion.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>To know what is imprenetrable to us<br \/>\nreally exists, manifesting itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant<br \/>\nbeauty which our dull faculties can comprehend only in their most primitive<br \/>\nforms &#8211; this knowledge, this feeling, is at the center of true religiousness.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>In this sense and in this sense only, I<br \/>\nbelong in the ranks of devoutly religious men.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-left:27.0pt;text-indent:9.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:Times;color:black\">I cannot imagine a God who rewards and<br \/>\npunishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own<br \/>\n&#8211; a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I<br \/>\nbelieve that the indifvidual survives the death of the body, although feeble<br \/>\nsouls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-left:27.0pt;text-indent:9.0pt\"><span style=\"font-family:Times;color:black\">It is enough for me to contemplate the<br \/>\nmystery of conscious life perpetuating itself through all eternity, to reflect<br \/>\nupon the marvelous structure of the universe which we can dimly perceive, and<br \/>\nto try humbly to comprehend even an infinitesmal part of the intelligence<br \/>\nmanifested in nature.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in\"><span style=\"font-family:Times;color:black\">Einstein is describing a universe with admirable qualities<br \/>\nindependent of our capacity to see them whereas Monod&#8217;s universe has no<br \/>\nqualities that require a reference to consciousness to exist.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>No beauty, no color, no nothing.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Every quality every ethic is a human<br \/>\ncreation and so ultimately rooted in our meaningless existence, and so itself<br \/>\nmeaningless.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>To get a clear<br \/>\nexample of the difference, imagine you are driving in the mountains and as your<br \/>\ncar rounds a bend you see a rainbow stretched across the sky.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Do you immediately experience a sense<br \/>\nof discovery of beauty that was there even before you discovered it?<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Or do you congratulate yourself that<br \/>\nthe human mind can create beauty from the meaningless interaction of sun, rain,<br \/>\nand the diffraction of light?<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Most<br \/>\nof us do the former, not the latter.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in\"><span style=\"font-family:Times;color:black\">Such a world is worthy of devotion and admiration.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>It is not alien, it is home.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>We do not need to feel we are the<br \/>\ncenter of creation in order to feel at home in it, and be glad we are.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>A Pagan atheist could resonate deeply<br \/>\nwith Einstein&#8217;s views.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Indeed I<br \/>\ndo, and I am no atheist.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>But I<br \/>\nseriously doubt that a Pagan atheist would resonate to Monod&#8217;s description of<br \/>\nthe world as an alien place into which we are thrown to pointlessly seek our<br \/>\nvarious purposes before disappearing forever into a meaningless void.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family:Times;color:black\"><b>Sacred<br \/>\nMetaphors<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in\"><span style=\"font-family:Times;color:black\">Since, as George Lakoff and Mark Johnson demonstrate, we <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Philosophy-Flesh-Embodied-Challenge-Western\/dp\/0465056741\/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1277830266&amp;sr=1-1\">think metaphorically and through and with the qualities<br \/>\nof embodiment<\/a> &nbsp;it is natural to honor this wonderful world in terms connected with the kinds<br \/>\nof beings that we are: through song and ritual and dance, through<br \/>\n&#8220;anthropomorphizing&#8221; the qualities we experience as most basic to our world,<br \/>\nsuch as gender, the stages of life, and the qualities of matter.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>We create a poem of celebration and<br \/>\ncall it our religion.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>It is<br \/>\nanything but alien. It celebrate where we live and who we are at the most<br \/>\nbasic.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in\"><span style=\"font-family:Times;color:black\">I think all religions are of this character, and as such they are<br \/>\nreactions and creations in response to the meaning and beauty Einstein<br \/>\ndescribed, translated through cultures and times and individual<br \/>\nexperiences.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>In sharp contrast to<br \/>\nthe Dawkinesque\/Harris view I consider religions one of humanity&#8217;s most<br \/>\nprofoundly beautiful and human creations.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>They are easily perverted, but let us not equate the entire body with<br \/>\nits sometimes disease wracked form.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in\"><span style=\"font-family:Times;color:black\">In the modern world many of us have turned our view from the<br \/>\ntranscendent conceptions of deity that describe a deity who does not speak to<br \/>\nus and whose followers often seem more to be benighted orcs in service to<br \/>\nSauron than people in touch with what is highest in the world.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>We have seen the beauty around us and<br \/>\nfor many it is enough.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>This<br \/>\nsensibility is extremely open to Pagan ways of celebration and acknowledgement.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in\"><span style=\"font-family:Times;color:black\">I think our understanding of atheism has been twisted by equating<br \/>\nthe spiritual only with the transcendent.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>Even Monod&#8217;s atheism, as I read him, is a view of transcendent rational<br \/>\nobjectivity imposing its visions on the raw material of an alien universe.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>As soon as we shift our attention to<br \/>\nthe immanent, the qualities in the world, the view of spirit and value changes.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in\"><span style=\"font-family:Times;color:black\">I think today we are seeing a kind of continuum from scientists<br \/>\nwho share a perspective akin to Einstein&#8217;s through people such as Pagan<br \/>\natheists and on to Pagan theists.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Indeed,<br \/>\na friend of mine was a Pagan representative at the Parliament of World<br \/>\nReligions held not long ago in Australia.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>While there NeoPagans, indigenous peoples, and others took some time to<br \/>\ndo a ritual together.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>There were<br \/>\nsome scientists present at the Parliament as observers.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>They asked this group as to whether<br \/>\nthey could join in, explaining they were not religious themselves, but felt<br \/>\nmore at home with the NeoPagans and indigenous Pagans than with any other group<br \/>\nthere.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>They were welcomed.<span>&nbsp; <\/span><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent:.25in\"><span style=\"font-family:Times;color:black\">If our civilization has a future worthy of admiration I suspect<br \/>\nthis developing honoring of the world in which we live will play a powerful<br \/>\nrole in it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><!--EndFragment--><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The apparent paradox of Pagan atheism has prompted me to do a lot more thinking about atheism than I ever have before.&nbsp; 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