{"id":448,"date":"2009-12-24T13:17:21","date_gmt":"2009-12-24T13:17:21","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/apagansblog\/2009\/12\/avatar-and-the-attack-on-pantheism.html"},"modified":"2009-12-24T13:17:21","modified_gmt":"2009-12-24T13:17:21","slug":"avatar-and-the-attack-on-pantheism","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/apagansblog\/2009\/12\/avatar-and-the-attack-on-pantheism.html","title":{"rendered":"Avatar and the attack on Pantheism"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><!--StartFragment--><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height:150%\"><span style=\"font-family:Times\">Catholic<br \/>\nRoss Douthat is bothered &#8211; more than bothered &#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2009\/12\/21\/opinion\/21douthat1.html?_r=1&amp;partner=rssnyt&amp;emc=rss\">by Avatar&#8217;s pantheism<\/a>. If one<br \/>\nwere looking at an attack on Pagan sensibilities, Douthat&#8217;s column would be a<br \/>\ngood place to start.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Beliefnet&#8217;s<br \/>\nown Rod Dreher of &#8220;Crunchy Con&#8221; fame uses it to <a href=\"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/crunchycon\/2009\/12\/avatar-princess-and-hollywoods.html\">jump on pantheism <\/a>as well.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>&nbsp;<span>&nbsp;<\/span>I offer one response to these in<br \/>\nmy mind ridiculous attacks.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><!--EndFragment--><\/p>\n<p><!--more--><br \/>\n<!--StartFragment--><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height:150%\"><span style=\"font-family:Times\"><span>&nbsp;<\/span>Douthat writes in the <i>New York Times<\/i>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"webkit-indent-blockquote\"><p><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"line-height: 19px\"><span style=\"font-family:Times\">&#8220;The question is whether Nature actually deserves a religious response.<br \/>\nTraditional theism has to wrestle with the problem of evil: if God is good, why<br \/>\ndoes he allow suffering and death? But Nature <i>is <\/i><\/span><span style=\"font-family:Times\">suffering and death. Its harmonies require violence.<br \/>\nIts &#8220;circle of life&#8221; is really a cycle of mortality. And the human societies<br \/>\nthat hew closest to the natural order aren&#8217;t the shining Edens of James<br \/>\nCameron&#8217;s fond imaginings. They&#8217;re places where existence tends to be nasty,<br \/>\nbrutish and short.<\/span><\/span><br \/><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-family: Times, helvetica, hirakakupro-w3, osaka, 'ms pgothic', sans-serif;line-height: 19px\">&#8220;Religion<br \/>\nexists, in part, precisely because humans aren&#8217;t at home amid these cruel<br \/>\nrhythms. We stand half inside the natural world and half outside it. We&#8217;re<br \/>\nbeasts with self-consciousness, predators with ethics, mortal creatures who<br \/>\nyearn for immortality.&#8221;<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"webkit-indent-blockquote\"><p><font face=\"Times, helvetica, hirakakupro-w3, osaka, 'ms pgothic', sans-serif\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"line-height: 19px\"><br \/><\/span><\/font><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height:150%\"><span style=\"font-family:Times\">Let&#8217;s<br \/>\nstart with the problem of evil.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>As<br \/>\nDouthat states it, the problem is actually far more serious to his monopolistic transcendental monotheism than it is to pantheism.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Karl Rove-like, he takes one of our strengths and tries to<br \/>\nmake it a weakness, one of his religion&#8217;s greatest weaknesses and tries to make<br \/>\nit a strength.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height:150%\"><span style=\"font-family:Times\">If<br \/>\nyou have a deity defined largely by his power, and his claim that he also<br \/>\nhappens to be good, the problem of evil is all but insurmountable.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>This is the reason many Christians have<br \/>\nbecome agnostics or atheists.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Bart<br \/>\nEhrman the noted religious scholar and Biblical expert was able to handle his<br \/>\ndiscovery that the Bible was in no way literally true.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>But Ehrman <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Gods-Problem-Answer-Important-Question-Why\/dp\/B001FOR5CG\/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1261675697&amp;sr=1-1\">finally lost his faith<\/a> over<br \/>\nthe issue of evil.&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height:150%\"><span style=\"font-family:Times\">The<br \/>\nproblem of evil is far more tractable from a pantheistic perspective.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>First it removes us from center stage.<br \/>\nWe two leggeds are one part of the glorious reality that is this beautiful<br \/>\nworld.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>We may or may not play a<br \/>\ncentral role in the drama of life, but the world was not created as our little<br \/>\ncupcake to consume as we see fit.<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>(If it were, as folks like Douthat seem to think, evil again becomes a<br \/>\nproblem.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Why create such a world<br \/>\nunless you are a very bad designer? Or a sadist?)<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height:150%\"><span style=\"font-family:Times\">But<br \/>\nwhat if it is a world of creativity?<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>And what if the basic division into duality, which makes creativity<br \/>\npossible, also necessitates ignorance on the part of partial beings?<span>&nbsp;&nbsp; Creativity requires ignorance, because only then can we bring into existence what has never existed before. &nbsp;<\/span>Life begins simply by<br \/>\nreproducing, trying to survive, generating wondrous beauty along the way.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Natural &#8220;evil&#8221; is of this sort: the<br \/>\neating and being eaten that Gary Snyder, my favorite Buddhist with a Pagan<br \/>\nsoul, observes we are all part of the same potlatch, giving when our time comes<br \/>\nas others have given that we ourselves might exist.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>This is not evil.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height:150%\"><span style=\"font-family:Times\">Evil<br \/>\ncomes into existence when <i>malevolent<\/i> intent arises.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>How does this arise?<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>I would argue also out of ignorance.<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;Malevolence can arise out of its absence. &nbsp;<\/span>To take a simple example, how many of us have thought dark<br \/>\nthoughts at someone we know based on our misunderstanding of what they<br \/>\ndid?<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Suppose we had acted on those<br \/>\nthoughts, and sometimes we do.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>What we did would seem<br \/>\nto that person to be evidence we are evilly disposed towards them.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>They then lash out, and we are<br \/>\nconfirmed in our own assumption that they acted evilly.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>And so it goes.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height:150%\"><span style=\"font-family:Times\">Evil<br \/>\narises from ignorance.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height:150%\"><span style=\"font-family:Times\">So<br \/>\nwhy pay the price of ignorance and evil?<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>Because duality makes it possible for love and beauty to come into<br \/>\nexistence<span>&nbsp; <\/span>And perhaps, just<br \/>\nperhaps, there is a slow movement from ignorance to love in this unfolding of<br \/>\nlife.<span>&nbsp; <\/span>Aldo Leopold, whom I think<br \/>\nis our greatest thinker on nature, and possibly our greatest pantheistic<br \/>\nthinker, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Sand-County-Almanac-Aldo-Leopold\/dp\/B001HZJCL0\/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1261675517&amp;sr=1\">once observed<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"webkit-indent-blockquote\"><p><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-family: Times, helvetica, hirakakupro-w3, osaka, 'ms pgothic', sans-serif;line-height: 19px\">&#8220;For<br \/>\none species to mourn the death of another is a new thing under the sun. The<br \/>\nCro-Magnon who slew the last mammoth thought only of steaks. The sportsman who<br \/>\nshot the last [Passenger] pigeon thought only of his prowess. The sailor who<br \/>\nclubbed the last auck thought of nothing at all. But we, who have lost our<br \/>\npigeons, mourn the loss. Had the funeral been ours, the pigeons would hardly<br \/>\nhave mourned us. In this fact, rather than in Mr. DuPont&#8217;s nylons or Mr. Vannevar<br \/>\nBush&#8217;s bombs, lies objective evidence of our superiority over the beasts.&#8221;&nbsp;<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height:150%\"><span style=\"font-family:Times\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><!--EndFragment--><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Catholic Ross Douthat is bothered &#8211; more than bothered &#8211; by Avatar&#8217;s pantheism. 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