{"id":293,"date":"2009-06-28T10:55:48","date_gmt":"2009-06-28T10:55:48","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/apagansblog\/2009\/06\/barbara-mcgraw-on-religion-in-america.html"},"modified":"2009-06-28T10:55:48","modified_gmt":"2009-06-28T10:55:48","slug":"barbara-mcgraw-on-religion-in-america","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.beliefnet.com\/columnists\/apagansblog\/2009\/06\/barbara-mcgraw-on-religion-in-america.html","title":{"rendered":"Barbara McGraw on Religion in America"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Last week I went with a Pagan friend to the Marin Interfaith Council&#8217;s meeting, to hear Barbara McGraw give a talk on church and state in America.&nbsp; McGraw is author of <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Rediscovering-Americas-Sacred-Ground-Pluralistic\/dp\/0791457060\/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1246201254&amp;sr=8-3\">Rediscovering America&#8217;s Sacred Ground,<\/a>&nbsp; a very good discussion of how our Founders anticipated relations should be between church and state. California&#8217;s spiritual diversity was well represented by the people who turned out to hear her.&nbsp; Along with Pagans, at least the Catholic, Presbyterian, Jewish, Bahai. Episcopal, Zen Buddhist, Brahama Kumari, Taoist, Unitarian, UCC, and Sufi traditions were all represented. &nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><br \/>\nIn a lively talk McGraw explained that neither the religious right nor the secular left really understands the Founders&#8217; thinking on church and state.&nbsp; Secularists argue religion should be purely private, the right that we are a Christian country.&nbsp; This is why both sides throw quotations around so freely, quotations that seem to contradict one another.&nbsp; They ignore the context of the quotations they sling about. As she put it, both sides &#8220;are half right and half wrong.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>From John Locke, through the Founders, the view was that God communicated in many ways.&nbsp; God&#8217;s relationship with people could be through conscience, revelation, nature, and reason.&nbsp; Freedom of conscience was vital, because only with it could people be free to enter into the relationship with God in a way that seemed good to them.&nbsp; Locke explicitly included Jews, Muslims, Indians, and Pagans.&nbsp; He was echoed by our Founders, who went beyond Locke to also include atheists, who could listen to their conscience.<\/p>\n<p>In contrast to the &#8216;Christian&#8217; Right, and most practices before our founding, God&#8217;s inspiration and guidance was seen as coming from the ground up, not from the top down.&nbsp; This was why John Adams could write our constitution was made for a moral or religious people, and James Madison emphasized the need for &#8220;virtue.&#8221;&nbsp; Freedom was not for private happiness primarily, it was for seeking the happiness of everyone.<\/p>\n<p>Freedom of religion was not intended to make religion private, but rather to enable Americans to enter into &#8220;a great conversation&#8221; about the good society.&nbsp; Religion was intended to inform and motivate our actions because only through inputs by all people of good conscience could a self-governing society be a good society.&nbsp; The Civil Rights movement, with its serious involvement by many denominations, would be an example of the Founder&#8217;s hopes showing life.<\/p>\n<p>From the Founders&#8217; point of view, the growing religious pluralism in American society would be a good thing, enlarging the perspective that could contribute to a good society.&nbsp; Madison made it explicit, pointing out that when there was great diversity, on balance agreement could be reached among people mostly on measures that would benefit the community as a whole, because no single group, be it religious or otherwise, would be able to have its way while sacrificing the well-being of others.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Last week I went with a Pagan friend to the Marin Interfaith Council&#8217;s meeting, to hear Barbara McGraw give a talk on church and state in America.&nbsp; McGraw is author of Rediscovering America&#8217;s Sacred Ground,&nbsp; a very good discussion of how our Founders anticipated relations should be between church and state. 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