Hall spoke with Beliefnet about the band's ministry, the importance of worship, and using music as a tool to relate to young people.
What’s your favorite thing about being in Casting Crowns?
I would say the people and seeing what God’s doing in other places. I’ve been a part of ministry for 15 years, but it’s always been one church and one group of people--which has been pretty awesome too. It’s just a different kind of ministry to say hello and goodbye in one night. It takes a little while to get used to. I’m starting to see that people are people everywhere. They’re all dealing with the same stuff. We’re all struggling and worrying about the future. To come into a city in one night and join in with what God’s already telling people there--that’s pretty awesome.
Is it hard for you to say “hello” and “goodbye” to people in the same night?
At first it was because it felt like you’re not really connecting with people. But what I’m starting to understand is that it’s just a totally different side of ministry because the church is already in that city. God doesn’t need me to go in there and be the church. God’s calling me to go into that city and pour water on the seeds that are already planted there. We’re not bringing anything into town on our bus that wasn’t there before. We’re not saying anything new that hasn’t already been said. We’re just reaffirming what’s already going there.
Do you ever feel the pressure of having to do so much at once? You seem to be balancing a lot with being a father, a husband, a pastor, and being in a highly successful band.
I think we all do what we can do. I think everybody will tell you there’s moments where they’re like, “Ok. I’m out of here.” I think we’ve all been to the limit.
What do you do when that happens?
When that happens, you’ve got to be very careful how you think. If you’re not careful, you’ll do that age-old [thing] where you say, “Let’s sit down and do a pros and cons list and figure out what we’re able to do,” which is just not a life of faith.
What you’ve got to do is just skin it all down and say to God, “What are you calling me to do? What is your purpose for me here?” When you break it all down back to what your calling is, you’ve got to start from there.
A lot of the struggle in ministry is that everything is a good thing. So all the opportunities that come to you are good. They’re not asking you to go burn down a playground. People are coming to you and saying, “Hey, can you come help my church? Can you come help my missions group? Can you come help my school?” Saying no to that you’ll feel like you’re not doing what God wants you to do. So you end up saying yes to everything. That’s something that we in ministry deal with all the time. What you’ve got to do is stay on task and say, "God, this is what you want me to do. You want me to love on these teenagers in Atlanta [where he is still a youth pastor] and you want me to be a part of what Casting Crowns is doing.”
So we keep [touring] to Thursday, Friday, and Saturday. The other rule is that my family goes with me. I’ve got to be a daddy before [everything]--before even the church. The moment that [being a pastor and being in the band] gets in the way of the family, it goes.
Can you explain what you mean by the title track off “Lifesong.”
All the songs you ever hear from us are songs that we’re talking about in our church, things that we’re talking about and dealing with in people’s lives and as a group. We started talking about worship and about the fact that to think that we can live our lives however we want to all day long and then wander into a church at night and read a bunch of words off a screen--to think that’s worship is a misunderstanding of what worship is.
Colossians 3 says that “Whatever you do in word or deed, do it all for the glory of the Lord.” So everything I do is to bring a smile to his face.
The song started when you woke up this morning. Today is your song. Everything that you’re doing. I remember at a prayer time one night, saying out loud, “God, let my lifesong sing to you” and I knew when I said it that it was something that we would hear again. This has kind of turned into a theme for us.
So living your song through your life?
That’s right. In Matthew 6, Jesus really starts getting into our motivations. He says, "It’s good that you pray, but are you praying to be seen, or are you praying to talk to me? It's good that you give to the poor, but are you giving to be seen? Why are you fasting? Are you fasting and then putting sack cloth and ashes on and walking around all mopey, because, 'Yeah, I’m fasting this week,' or are you really doing this for me? Because if you’re doing it for you, you’ve wasted your time. Your reward was right then."
To me, God is saying, why you do what you do is almost more important than what you’re doing, because he wants to know your motivations behind what you do. Our motivation behind worship is important to God, it’s important to what we’re doing and if my life doesn’t glorify, how is singing somebody else’s song off a screen bringing him glory? It’s just asking some hard questions.
You’ve been quoted as saying, "All of life is worship, and if we’re not careful, we won’t praise worship and we’ll worship praise.” Explain this.
Well one of the neat things about worship, and one of the really cool things about God, is here is a moment that is supposed to be all about him. We’re singing to him, we’re lifting our hands to him, and at the same time that we’re doing this thing just for him, he’s just pouring out love on all of us. But if we’re not careful, worship will become more of the experience then what it was really for.
You hear people say, “I just didn’t get anything out of worship today.” That’s a dangerous thing to say because it was never for you to start with--it was all for him. If you’re not careful, it can turn into an experience-based type of walk--"I want to go experience worship, I want to see God do this great thing"-- instead of just, "I want to love on Jesus."
To me, worship is praying without asking for anything. So really, I’ve got to be able to know that I’m doing that and I’m loving on him, just to love on him.
Do you find that to be true among other Christian artists? That they might be doing it for all the wrong reasons?
Well, I can only answer for myself--there are a lot of artists out there. I don’t know their hearts. God tells me I don’t even know my own heart. If your heart is desperately wicked, who would even know it? God has to show me my own heart. At times I’ve fooled myself into thinking that I was about one thing or another, and he shows me there's an underlying problem [I'm] not thinking about. There are times when I put on a happy face when I'm really not happy or my head’s not in the game.