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A New Détente Between The U.S. and Muslim World?

posted by Brad Hirschfield

The past 30 days may go down in history as among the most significant 30 days in modern history. The events occurring all over North Africa and the Middle East are pretty amazing, to be sure. On the other hand, all kinds of events which were seen as potential game-changers ended up changing very little. So perhaps the issue is less the past 30 days and more the next 30 weeks.
Despite all the over-blown claims about the “clearly” positive meaning of Egypt’s so-called January 25th Revolution by some, and the outright fear-mongering about the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood by others, the only thing that’s clear, is that the situation in Egypt and throughout the Middle East’s Muslims nations, is anything but clear. Whether or not the unfolding situation will bring positive change vis a vis the United States’ relations with those countries depends on the level of openness which the parties can maintain.
Egypt, Tunisia and any other countries which join them in overthrowing non-democratic regimes will have to channel their passion for change, not only into democratic government, but into democracies which value openness and some form of rights-driven government which puts individual citizens ahead of any particular religious system. Neither Egypt, Tunisia, nor any other Muslim country is the US, nor should they be.
They will however have to embrace unprecedented, for them at least, levels of cultural and legal openness if they hope to see a new era in relations with the United States.
United States policy-makers will have to figure out what it means to see hope where they have often trained themselves to see only hopelessness. They need to get past overly simplistic dichotomies which force us to choose between individual dictators and the dictatorship of a particular faith. We need to embrace the notion that there are many ways to create the kind of political and legal cultures which we treasure, including the possibility of doing so within an Islamic context. To be sure, no nation in the Muslim world has really done that, but places like Turkey are trying and we dare not declare impossible that which is simply unprecedented.
The future of US relations with Muslim countries depends on the willingness of both sides to open their collective minds to new possibilities and the discipline to realize that despite having taken some very interesting steps in the past weeks, the journey is far from over. In a world of over-eager apologists and small-minded cynics, we need clear-eyed optimists – people who know that naiveté can be deadly, but that without hope, we are already dead.



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David

posted February 16, 2011 at 11:28 am

David

posted February 16, 2011 at 11:31 am


If you would like to learn about the Muslim Brotherhood you should read this article by Tarek Heggy , who is an authority google his name.
http://www.muslimsdebate.com/faces/sn.php?nid=1558=



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romanscapegoat

posted February 16, 2011 at 12:53 pm


the uprising in the Muslim world threatens America in two ways….1)the Muslims need to be the MADE UP terrorist so that corporations can make profit…george bush was involved in orchestrating 9/ll, there is so much evidence of this….2)the rebellion is a bad influence for Americans who wake up and see the fact that the banks and corporations control the whitehouse…what if Americans started using face book, twitter, or other means on the Internet to organize to rebel….the media used the tea party movement to insure the republicans would win back the whitehouse, for the only purpose to give back control of the whitehouse to the banks and corporations….once the republicans won, the media went on an agenda to ruin sarah palin to break up the tea party…all the media now talks about how stupid sarah is and how everyone in america thinks sarah palin is stupid…
TV and media is programming americans to believe not regulating the banks and corporations is the best thing for america….Obama was trying to protect the 98% not rich from the 2%greedy who don’t need to be any more wealthy, only to suck out the quality of life in america….soon the powers that be will come up with a reason to ban face book, twitter, and all other forms of organizing truth…the Internet will only be allow business transactions and propaganda…AND YES THE JEWS ARE IN CONTROL OF EVERYTHING!!!



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Adam

posted February 17, 2011 at 12:03 am


The Real Egyptian Revolution Will Not Be Brought to You by CNN
“Do you know ALL English Speaking JOURNALISTS are YAHOOD?? (Jews)”
Egyptian Anti-Mubarak YouTube commenter
There are two Egyptian revolutions. The one marketed for Western consumption by Egyptian bloggers and the American media– and the real revolution. The rape of Lara Logan brought that second revolution out of the shadows for the first time. This was certainly not the first sexual assault arising out of the Jan 25 protests. It won’t be the last either. The Western educated Egyptians promoting the protests have always managed to sell the press on the story that all the violence, from the looting of the Egyptian museum, the attacks on reporters, the prison breaks and the mass rapes and robberies were all the work of pro-Mubarak forces. But when Logan was attacked, she was among a crowd celebrating the fall of Mubarak. These were the very people that she and her colleagues had come to Egypt to support.
The actual Jan 25 revolution was wildly different from the one depicted in news reports. Behind the veil of English speaking Twitter feeds by young activists, is an angry and bigoted population which hated Mubarak not because he is a tyrant, but because he maintained ties to America and Israel, and refused to aggressively persecute Egypt’s Christians. Egypt is not looking for a Western style democracy. What the Arab street really wants is a tyranny that reflects its values.
Few of the gullible Western supporters who follow the revolution by Twitter, understand just how much the ordinary Egyptian taking part in the protests hates them. Behind all the English language signs produced for the foreign press and the articulate bloggers cultivated by the US and EU governments, is the angry mob who believes that Mubarak was a puppet of the CIA and the Mossad. And who believe the same thing about all the earnest CNN and CBS correspondents who came to be photographed against the background of a revolution. No matter how much the reporters propagandized their cause, the mob was certain that they were there to support Mubarak. That belief is part of the xenophobic identity of Egyptians, and so many others in the Muslim world. The only popular cause in the Muslim world is fought against the Americans– even when the Americans are on their side.
The cries of “Yahood, Yahood” or “Jew, Jew” reportedly shouted at CBS’s Logan while she was being sexually assaulted, reflect two things. Yahood is a common insult in the Middle East. American soldiers in Iraq are referred to as Yahood or Jews. (Some have drawn geopolitical inferences from this, but you only need to turn on South Park to see ‘Jew’ used as an insult in our own hemisphere.) The difference is that in the Muslim world, ‘Yahood’ is far more ubiquitous, and often accompanied by conspiracy theories and violent threats. The negative depiction of Jews is rooted in the Koran, making it ubiquitous through the Muslim world.
The other aspect of it however is the prevalence of conspiracy theories throughout the Arab Muslim world. In Egypt, Nazi propaganda merged with traditional Islamic beliefs to give rise to Islamofascist organizations such as the Muslim Brotherhood. While Mein Kampf and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are given little credibility in civilized nations– they are still highly popular in the Muslim world. Conspiracy theories are the best refuge of failed societies, and the panoply of conspiracy theories in the Muslim world have one common element, the theme of a vast Anti-Muslim conspiracy involving the CIA and the Mossad which prevents them from succeeding.
Pundits like to claim that this is due to the special relationship between America and Israel– but then how does one also explain the ubiquity of “Yahood o Hunood” in Pakistan. “Yahood o Hunood”, which replaces the Mossad-CIA, with a vast Jewish-Hindu conspiracy against Pakistan. While Lt. General Jacob-Farj-Rafael Jacob, a Jewish-Indian, did play a key role in defeating Pakistan in 1971, there has been no extended alliance along the same lines. “Yahood o Hunood” like the taunts of “Yahood” at Lara Logan or US soldiers in Iraq arises from the xenophobia and bigotry of the Muslim world. That bigotry is fed by the Muslim need to blame their failures on a vast conspiracy against them by people who are their inferiors. The parallels to Nazi Germany are too obvious to even be worth going into.
We defeated the coward yahoodie egyptian police staff…we raped them….death to them all….Death to the cowards….The army protected them from total destruction!
Death to Mubarak party. Death to israel. Death to america. ALLAH AKBAR ALLAH AKBAR ALLAH AKBAR!!!
Egyptian Forum Commenter
The real Egyptian revolution was mob violence against the targets of their conspiracy theories, rather than a movement toward democracy. Assaults on Western reporters are not an aberration, but the norm. As often as CNN cheers on the revolution, the average Egyptian will still call them Yahood and CIA. Because the average Egyptian is fueled by hate for outside forces, rather than a striving for progress and reform.
Egyptian activists are apologizing to Lara Logan on Twitter, and assuring everyone that this does not represent Egypt. But there are far more Egyptians who harass women, than use Twitter to promote democracy. The assault on Logan represents Egypt far better than Jan 25 hashtags.
Sexual violence is also a routine part of Egyptian mob scenes. In 2006, a crowd celebrating Eid Al-Fitr began assaulting every woman in sight. In 2009 alone, the UK foreign office reported handling nearly 30 cases of sexual assault against British nationals. Under Islamic mores, non-Muslim women are treated are treated as whores. That may be why according to a 2008 study, only 68 percent of Egyptian women complained of being harassed on a daily basis, while 98 percent of foreign women did. When a group of jubilant enthusiasts of democracy found themselves near a Western female reporter without police supervision, what followed was absolutely horrible and terribly inevitable. It is what 98 percent of foreign women in Egypt risk encountering every day.
These are the powerful forces brewing under the surface of a culture where women are held to be inferiors and non-Muslims are distrusted and hated. What the Jan 25th revolution really showed was the deep undercurrent of violence in Egypt, and the impossibility of keeping order without force.
Like the Weimar Republic, any liberal government will be forced to put aside its principles and rely on authoritarian means to keep order. That means turning either to the police, the military or the Muslim Brotherhood as the only forces capable of maintaining order. The police are hated, a permanent military deployment in Cairo will mean a junta and the Muslim Brotherhood will be happy enough to police neighborhood after neighborhood, and eventually the whole country. Democracy lovers are cheering on the promise of a liberal Egypt. But there will be no liberal Egypt. Only a state of temporary chaos broken by spurts of violence, as was the case in Germany between the wars, and Russia between the revolutions, ending finally in an absolute tyranny. Either that of the military or the Muslim Brotherhood.
Learning about the Jan 25th revolution from Egyptian Twitter activists is like learning about the future of Weimar Germany from literary magazines. Forget all the Jan 25 badges and enthusiastic revolutionary rhetoric. The reality is a narrow wedge of activists claiming credit for a much wider range of public anger, and pretending to be able to turn it off with their policy proposals. It’s a shameless scam that will collapse with the collapse of the first liberal government. And the same neo-conservative pundits and journalists will look on baffled, not understanding what went wrong. What went wrong is that Egypt is not England or America. It is an unstable Muslim country with a booming population, which wants low prices, social services and the repression of women and infidels under an Islamic system. They will support anyone who can give these things to them, and bring down anyone who doesn’t. That is your Egyptian democracy.
Liberals and their media damned America for the rapes, robberies and the looting of Iraq antiquities after the fall of Saddam. But exactly the same thing happened in Egypt after the fall of Mubarak– robberies, rapes and the looting of Egyptian antiquities. And the media has taken no responsibility for their participation in the overthrow of a regime. The media which loves to harp on the WMD issue, heavily pushed claims that Mubarak had stolen 70 billion dollars from the Egyptian people and was the richest man in the world. A week later those estimates are down to only a few billion. And that billion will of course never be found, because “sources say” that the money has been moved secretly out of the country. Which makes it conveniently untraceable. And the media will never have to apologize for spreading a lie.
Egypt is the liberal’s Iraq. Except that the regime they overthrew was pro-Western, not genocidal and did not gas children. After having spent 7 years condemning the Bush administration, they orchestrated a far more senseless wave of regime change that opens the door for the Calphate to rule the region.
ElBaradei and his little megaphone have already faded into the past. The Muslim Brotherhood has its own political party now. And key liberal players like Ayman Nour are already pandering to them. If the Muslim Brotherhood can form an alliance with aspiring businessmen, the way Turkey’s AKP Islamists did, then it will be well on its way to taking power. If it can also bring the military and the nationalists on board, the way the Nazis did, then it will have absolute power. But the military’s strategy may be to encourage the chaos, and feed the violence, until America and other revolution have no choice but to ask them to step in. That is the final question. Which totalitarian force will Egyptians choose to order their affairs? The army or the brotherhood.



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romanscapegoat

posted February 17, 2011 at 2:14 am


adam…you are spreading Jewish propaganda…yes it is true the Jews own America..everything you see on American TV is controlled by the Jews…the Jews own all major media outlets…the Jews own Hollywood…there are only 6 major Jew owned banks that are deliberately keeping the economy down, to insure Obama never gets reelected and get a chance to try and regulate the Jewish owned banks and corporations again…the Jews were given the gift of having power of the world, from Lucifer, for killing their messiah…YES GOD ISREAL AND LUCIFER ISREAL….THE SPACE ALIENS ARE REALLY LUCIFER AND HIS FALLEN ANGELS THAT WERE TURNED INTO AN UGLY HORRIBLE FORM…the Muslims were used as patsy’s for 9/11…the Jews and George bush are responsible for 9/11 there is so much proof of this but the Jewish owned media will not investigate and report truth…evil dominates this world…



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romanscapegoat

posted February 17, 2011 at 12:34 pm


in “christian” America cures for diseases are not looked for in the name of profit…prescription drugs that cause death are pushed by the unregulated drug companies in the name of profit…in “christian” America science IS regulated by the government…scientists are told not to find anything that would change the norm…in the name of profit….in “christian” America people are exposed to so many corporate made products and being allowed to eat so much corporate made poison that is called food, that are giving so many people CANCER…in the name of profit…FREEDOM??? THERE IS NO FREEDOM IN A COUNTRY OWNED AND CONTROLLED BY THE JEWISH OWNED BANKS AND COPRATIONS…IN THE NAME OF PROFIT…CHRISTIANS HAVE NO HONOR!!!



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Ken

posted February 18, 2011 at 10:43 am


It’s only from decades of hypocrisy in our foreign policies that we are now reaping the seeds we’ve sown; supporting one faction for a while, then switching to opposite sides when the wind blows in an unfavorable direction for us (Taliban, Sadam, and many others).
In the middle east we’ve now produced more than an entire generation of people that have lived under and grown up despising our hypocrisy. It will take decades and many generation to overcome it – even IF we find the will.
What the US needs to learn and apply, is what most of us have been taught since we were babies; The Golden Rule.



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romanscapegoat

posted February 18, 2011 at 8:01 pm


ken..according to the cocaine using, drunk backwards hillbilly christian, george bush…the musliums hate us for our freedom….being patriotic means to never question the government unless, Obama is president then its mandated by the republicans to question… but most republican voters are to stupid to ask the right questions…good thing fox news is designed for retards…God bless America!!!



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lonejew

posted February 27, 2011 at 2:54 am


Roman please tell me were you are geting this info? If you are a Christain you do know that Jesus was a Jew right and if you try to use that he was anti-sematic then why did he use Jewish teachings? Please compare what he tought to Talmud, Kabbalah and, Torah. And I would wish to point out the word messiah comes from the Hebrew word mashiach which means annoited one. Only 5.2%
of the American population is Jewish and 94.8% isn’t Jewish so explane to me how we would over throw the Gentile population? The crucifixion of Jesus was by the Romans. If you look into his charges it was because the ROMAN government thought that since he was from the lineage of David he would create an up roar and try to over throw the ROMAN government. The Jews had nothing to do with his crucifixion only the Romans. Goat why don’t you stop reading anti-sematic propaganda and do some research of your own. IN FACTI CHALLANGE YOU TO!



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romanscapegoat

posted February 27, 2011 at 4:24 am


lonely jew…the jews have taking the highest position of power of the world…think of a pyramid…the top of the highest point only requires a few jews to control the world…the Romans are used as scapegoats….my words come from god…jesus is the son of god, who came to free the jews from religion…lucifer and jesus are brothers…lucifer rewards the jews for killing jesus….with power of the world…the musliums are out of control…nuclear bombs will fall soon…the space aliens who are really lucifer and his fallen angels will land soon and bring peace….the space aliens will claim they created man…the space aliens have an hierarchy…the space aliens will claim their leader god….their leader is lucifer…



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