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Psalms 109:8, An Ugly Prayer for President Obama

posted by Brad Hirschfield

Any time the citizens of a state, particularly a democracy, invoke their faith to pray for the demise of those they oppose politically, we should be concerned. When the call for such prayers becomes one of the most popular Google searches in the country, we should shake, especially those of us who believe in God, prayer and the Bible. Psalm 109, verse 8, went viral this morning in just that way.
Among the world’s top Google searches today are phrases that contain the words “Psalms 109 8″, and “Psalm 109 8 prayer for Obama”. For those of you who may not know that particular verse, it reads “May his days be few, may another take over his position.” And before anyone excuses this toxic use of scripture as nothing more than the wish that President Obama not be re-elected to a second term of office, the next verse in the psalm reads, “May his children be orphans and his wife a widow”.


In fact, the entire chapter is about the prayed for death of an evil person. Not to mention that anyone who knows enough Bible to have thought about this verse in particular, surely knows the entire chapter and appreciates its message. Pretty scary stuff.
All this is especially upsetting in light of the last weeks’ events at Fort Hood. Exactly how long is it going to take us to figure out the danger of linking faith claims and violent fantasies? How is it that the very same people who would have wanted to curtail access, and rightly so, to the hate-filled, violence-inducing, sermons to which Major Hasan listened, do not cry out against these prayers and those praying them?
The issue is not the scripture quoted or the name by which God is called by those doing the praying. The issue is invoking the God in whom any of us believe, to act as executioner of those with whom we disagree.
From Yigal Amir, who murdered Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, to Major Hassan who murdered 13 and wounded 30 more, to whomever might step in on behalf of a “Christian nation” to make the words of the Psalm 109 a reality, each was inspired by prayers and scriptural readings not unlike those of the millions who made verse 8 a top Google search this morning. There is no place for such prayers in any of our faiths and until we all stand up and say so, at least a little blood will be on all of our hands.



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billh

posted November 16, 2009 at 4:34 pm


In fact, Christian scriptures already address how to pray for our leaders:
1 Timothy 2:1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
2For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. 3For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
I don’t know a single person of faith, who would seriously pray for the harm of anyone else.
I’ve known persecuted Christians, from Countries who have been imprisoned and tortured for their faith, praying in Prison for the leaders of their country.



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Brad Sanders

posted November 16, 2009 at 5:10 pm


Please wake up.
see Norman Podhoretz
kind regards,
Brad Sanders



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Todd Nuccio

posted November 16, 2009 at 5:28 pm


Maybe most people, like myself, googled the psalm to find out if it was true. Probably not most, but I can be optimistic, can’t I?



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S Smith

posted November 16, 2009 at 5:41 pm


Dear Rabbi Hirschfield, I respectfully disagree.
I received multiple e-mails referencing a “Prayer for Obama” today. They all list ONLY verse 8: “May his days be few, may another take over his position.” They do NOT mention verses 7, 9, nor any other.
By the way, you say “Any time the citizens of a state, particularly a democracy, invoke their faith to pray for the demise of those they oppose politically, we should be concerned.”. I assume you are including the burned effigies of George Bush, and the portraits of George Bush made to look like Adolph Hitler or dressed as a Klansman?



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Big Ed

posted November 16, 2009 at 6:06 pm


Right On S. Smith – when the liberals spew their hate, contempt, and murderous cries for the death of conservatives or Christian leaders, or even when Reverend Wright spewed his hate for America, and its people – no one said boo, to include our current President. All the bumper sticker, email – whatever called for was verse 8. Lughten up folks! There are extremists on bith sides, but for the majority it’s not meant to be racist or to pray that evil befall him. I agree My his days be few and he be replaced. It could be through impeachment, he could have an epiphany and resign or he could be found guilty of a crime he’s committed. To me it I don’t mean it the way it is being portrayed here and again many other shave stated much more vile things about conservatives and other religious leaders.



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Wayne Cassaday

posted November 16, 2009 at 6:10 pm


Wow. I thought the Bible was to be taken seriously.
The Bible, especially the old testament, often calls for the wrath of God on the wicked or the downfall of the godless. I don’t see the use of Psalm 108:9 as a political statement. I see it as a religious statement that we are not to tolerate Godless leaders.



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DM

posted November 16, 2009 at 6:59 pm


Rabbi, I disagree as well. This prayer is not taking up arms, or the life of another. It is a prayer that God intervene towards a wicked man.
Once we have a leader or leaders that do not let atrocities occur simply because they are legal (namely abortion), then I will stop praying in such a manner. Sometimes Rabbi you simply have to call a sin a sin and not get bogged down in the semantics of human understanding or popular belief. Therefore let us pray that in absence of a changed heart that God bring an end to the evil. I think Psalm 109:8 says just that.



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Chall8987

posted November 16, 2009 at 8:08 pm


I’m glad to see religious fanaticism alive and well in our country. I hope you all get it out now because slowly but surely the country is becoming more secular, and the comments here have shown that such should not be mourned.
Btw, Bush actually sent thousands of Americans to their deaths in Iraq based on the proven lies that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, had links to Al Quaeda, and was a threat to America. Was there evidence for any of this? If so show it because nobody has as of yet.
As for abortion, a fetus is not a human person. Eating seeds does not constitute deforestation. Thus abortion is not murder.



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EllieDee

posted November 16, 2009 at 8:38 pm


What I believe was at the center of this Psalm was.. those who hate, and who use what was meant for good, to create evil. Much like those who distort the Muslim faith, so that they can kill innocents. It is a call for retribution. Christ forgave those who killed Him, with the words… “they know NOT what they do”. I believe this Psalm calls for the worst evil to befall those who do evil and KNOW they are doing it, to innocents.



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Kauko

posted November 16, 2009 at 8:58 pm


Well, S Smith, I’ll respectfully disagree with you. Only quoting verse 8 doesn’t change the meaning of that verse based on context which clearly indicates that person is killed, “May his days be few, may another take over his position. May his children be orphans, his wife a widow.” There’s no getting around what those words mean. I guess, though, its a common fault among Christians to scour the Bible looking for a single verse that they can take out of context to defend whatever they want to.



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Eytan

posted November 16, 2009 at 9:42 pm


Shalom from http://www.living-inspired.com
For once I tend to agree with Rabbi Brad. We should not pray for the death of this man. Despite being probably the worst president ever for those who care about Israel, he is nonetheless a human being and a father.
We have to remember that if Hashem has decided that his days will be few and that another will take over his position, this is what will happen. Yet if he is re-elected it will also be according to Hashem’s plan although the reason might not be understandable by us.
Obviously I hope that Obama will stay healthy and that Hashem needs him only for 4 years…
http://www.living-inspired.com
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Gwyddion9

posted November 16, 2009 at 11:03 pm


Ah, Christian love… an oxymoron sometimes.
I’m glad to see conservative groups make quotes like this. It shows the rest of the country where they stand and what they think…no hiding behind rhetoric. I’ve often prayed that the true spirit of religious conservatives be shown to the world so others may truly see the hate in their hearts. Well, it’s happening.



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Your Name

posted November 17, 2009 at 9:31 am


I am a Christian, and I know that I fall well short of the glory of God. I believe that this is why Christ sacrificed himself for me and for all people: to open the way back to a right relationship with God and with one another.
This is a round-about way of saying that anyone – of whatever religion – who truly worships God rather than self cannot condone hateful speech and evil desires or actions against another person or group.



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Jendayi

posted November 17, 2009 at 9:41 am


In this age of Aquarius, the age of truth, peace and prosperity. You will see many of the “evil” thinkers and doers cut down like a blade of grass. We must forgive them for their wishes and thought for they know not who they are. Sadly, their own prayers of evil will turn to greet THEM at their door. Universal Law.



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Thomas Beck

posted November 17, 2009 at 11:05 am


Not to mention Baruch Goldstein.



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Angel Fire

posted November 17, 2009 at 11:09 am


I do not agree, stand with or condone any who uses the word of God to satisfy their hate and vileness of their own flesh to falsely claim the word as their defense. I am tired of hearing those who say they are God’s voice and then pronounce death threats so easily. The God I know is one of love, of tender mercies and all vengence belongs in His hands and His hands alone. Maybe if we prayed for the good of our president and his family and all the citizens of the world, maybe, just maybe God would move on our behalf and save us from ourselves. Hate can only produce hate, no matter what umbrella you put it under. And those that recruit fellow haters will also turn on you. If my people who are called by name should humble themselves and repent. Then I would hear from heaven and heal the land. Get a pillow haters.



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DML

posted November 17, 2009 at 11:10 am


The Psalmist(s) was a rather paranoid and angry person. On the whole, the largest theme is the Psalmist’s use of imprecatory prayers to curse those around him, and his steadfast belief that he was nearer to God than the other guy. So, I think we should honestly admit that Psalm 108 (and especially Psalm 137) is filled with hate and not ignore it or explain it away. Given the historical context within which it was written, I wouldn’t be surprised one would have such an attitude.
It is inappropriate to use these sentiments today, especially by those of us who are taken care of by our government that largely works in earnest to protect us, provides effective justice, and will likely quite soon, provide healthcare to those who lack it. Even given his faults, the Psalmist expressed anger toward those who did not provide for the widow, the orphan, and the hungry.



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Donna

posted November 17, 2009 at 11:13 am


What a sad day for our nation. To think that our president and his office is so disrespected. My prayers will only be for him to succeed in all his endeavors. What makes us a great nation is the fact that we can openly display our disapproval of a political policy. However personal vendettas against people in office, only show ignorance and undermines our democracy.



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maryann moon

posted November 17, 2009 at 11:21 am


THERE IS ONE GOD TO WHOM ALL FAITHS AND RELIGIONS PRAY. THERE IS NO JEWISH GOD , NO
HINDU GOD, NO ORIENTAL GOD AS THOUGH ALL DIFFERENT FROM EACH OTHER.
When anyone prays for the death of someone, he is praying for his own. We are not separate from
each other.



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michael

posted November 17, 2009 at 11:30 am


well the people are discontented, verse 8 allown is a worthy statement for those who wish for the president to be removed from office but to include other parts of it is treasonous.



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John McGrath

posted November 17, 2009 at 11:46 am


An ugly prayer indeed, and it’s in the Bible. What does that say about the Bible?



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Whatever

posted November 17, 2009 at 12:15 pm


If “the entire chapter is about the prayed for death of an evil person,” then I can’t think of anyone who deserves it more than Obama right now. Of course, I don’t believe for one minute that God is going to smite him just because someone prays for it to happen. If we pray for something, and we get it, we are so arrogant that we actually believe that God answered our prayers. God does what He wants, regardless of what His people want. Sort of like Congress. We are supposed to accept God’s Will without question because we can’t possibly understand why He does what He does. Rabbis like to try to explain why bad things happen to good people by rationalizing why God “let” some kid die of cancer, or why Hitler killed 6 million Jews, or why 3,000 people died on 9/11. Well, here’s a news flash: People get sick and die, evil men like Hitler pull the wool over an entire country, and muslims believe they have to go all jihad on anyone who isn’t one of them. Are all of these things God’s Will? Maybe. Maybe not. What I do know is that praying for the demise of someone, even someone as horrible as that arrogant idiot in the White House, isn’t going to cause God to do or not do whatever the hell He wants. I wouldn’t be surprised if He’s just sitting up there laughing at all of us for even trying to figure Him out. For all we know, we might be just some cosmic joke He thought up out of boredom.



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The Barking Unicorn

posted November 17, 2009 at 12:37 pm


Well, if your god is a mindless hitman who kills whoever your pray for him to kill then you’ve got the wrong deity, haven’t you?



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glenda

posted November 17, 2009 at 12:38 pm


“Whatever”, you are a sad, pathetic and mislead person indeed. You have opened yourself to the spirit of lies, distortions and evil.
During Bush’s presidency I prayed daily for his removal, but never once for his death. Although I thought he was a bad man, a sold-out con artist devoted to helping himself and his big business buddies run a con game on America to get richer and eroded our civil rights as he did so — I never once called for his death, disrespected his right to speak and work, desired for sorrow in his family or in any way wanted evil to befall him personally.
I HATED his politics and disliked him as a person, but to PRAY for evil on someone out of paranoid insanity absorbed from extremist, fringe element crazy talk — is outrageous, awful, unChristian, unrighteous, wrong and YES — evil!!!
Any and all who do such should be more than ashamed. They should be on their knees begging repentence from the Savior who demands that we love our enemies and do justice.
Shame! Shame! Shame!



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Ben Hall

posted November 17, 2009 at 12:53 pm


Frightening? Yes. Surprising? No.
From the time people started praying to whatever god(s) they followed, they have prayed for military, political, or personal victory over their adversaries, even though such victory will involve bloodshed, agony, and death. This is understandable when issues of life and death are involved, but hardly forgivable when only political or personal advantage is at stake.
Even those of us who believe that Mr. Obama is the wrong man, in the wrong place, at the wrong time must turn in disgust from such perversions of the ritual of prayer, whatever our faith or even lack of it.
Such entreaties of the Almighty must, of themselves, stand as hallmarks of evil.
May God forgive those who perpetrate them.



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Your Name

posted November 17, 2009 at 1:08 pm


Writer “Whatever,” whatever his true identity, must be a clairvoyant. He, she, it, is condemning President Obama, after less than a year in office, for the efforts he has undertaken to rectify the eight years of mindless, heartbreaking, economically stupid decisions of his predecessor (I’d rather not mention his name). Now I’ll invoke my powers of clairvoyance and tell you that “Whatever” is an affluent (or thinks he is), white, fundamentalist who voted for _____ not once, but twice. Hence, no thinking, patriotic American will pay attention to “Whatever’s” ramblings.



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Darvel J. Silda

posted November 17, 2009 at 2:40 pm


“Any time the citizens of a state, particularly a democracy”
Is there anyone else out there who thinks that the first sentence is worthy of scrutiny, and enlightened analysis?
My response to this opening thought is that….
There is no democracy in nature!



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Kate

posted November 17, 2009 at 2:45 pm


Oh, FOR SHAME, “Whatever”. I hope that not all members of whatever religion you claim as your own aren’t as horrible as you are. And for the record, if you’re a Christian, then I say get the hell OUT of my faith and go form your own based on hatred and egotism.
NO ONE deserves a death prayer or wish. NO ONE. Even if you think he’s doing a horrible job at running our country, he has a FAMILY. Do you know what a family is? Do you even have any blood relatives who haven’t already abandoned you due to your asinine behavior? He has a WIFE, he has CHILDREN. And regardless of what you think of his politics, no woman deserves to be widowed, and no child deserves to have her father taken away from her, simply because you don’t agree with his POLITICAL actions.
In four years, you can carry your arse to the polls and vote for the candidate running him against him if Mr. Obama decides to run for office again. Then he’ll be out of office and no longer be SUUUUUUCH a burden on poor Miss or Mr “Whatever”. Wishing him death just shows what a petty, immature, impotent, and hateful person you truly are.
You’re pathetic.



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John McGrath

posted November 17, 2009 at 3:18 pm


The Bible has many disturbing passages because it is a reflection of human reality. There’s also a sub-theme of humanity gets God wrong, God corrects, and humanity improves, a bit.
Both Leviticus and Jesus give us the key: The whole of the Law and the Prophets are found in two commandments, with “Love thy neighbor” as the test of whether we really love God or just treat God a nasty domesticated dog we like to sic on others.



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rick

posted November 17, 2009 at 4:32 pm


What an asinine post. You must like a muslim being in charge. If you don’t think Hussein is a muslim, go to youtube and look up “Obama admits to being a muslim”



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Doug from PA

posted November 17, 2009 at 4:32 pm


It seems to me that most of the hatred these days is coming from the left, and it is only in the twisted minds of those on the left – who don’t perceive their hatred of conservatives as hatred – that it is the right that is the problem.
Personally, I don’t want Obama to croak before he leaves office in, G-d willing, 2013, because I don’t want anyone to make a martyr out of him the way they did with that twit Kennedy (whose death was a tragedy; had JFK survived, he might have lost to Goldwater in 1964 and our society would have been much better for it).
However, this article looks more like a leftist fantasy than anything connected with reality. I haven’t heard anyone calling for Obama’s death, and to link conservatives with Maj. Hassan or Yigal Amir (who was incited by one of Rabin’s agents provacateur, btw, but that’s a discussion for another day), is obscene, though typical of liberals.



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agnstthwnd1

posted November 17, 2009 at 4:44 pm


I have heard of no one invoking any prayer or wish for his death. All I hear is the wish for his policies to fail. That is not the same as wishing death upon him.



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Bonnie

posted November 17, 2009 at 5:12 pm


I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: aren’t we fortunate NOT to live in a theocracy? So there is a viral prayer out there generated by the hatemongers and naysayers of our present administration. President Obama knew what he was getting into when he was elected by an 83% margin over McCain, so maybe we need to put a supportive opposite prayer out there for him that he succeed in his mission to recover our country from the disastrous polices of the previous administration. The difficult takes time; the impossible a little longer.



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David

posted November 17, 2009 at 5:25 pm


“There is no place for such prayers in any of our faiths and until we all stand up and say so, at least a little blood will be on all of our hands.”
I couldn’t have said it better, and I will say so. I don’t think there’s a president in history who deserved a prayer like this, not even Bush. Anyone who prays for the death of the President, or ANY human being, CANNOT call themselves a Christian.



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lk

posted November 17, 2009 at 5:41 pm


We should be praying for our leaders in a positive way. Like praying they make right decisions, that God will guide them in the right direction. This country has become so filled with Hate, it’s a shame. Maybe Pres Obama has made some not so good decisions, but he is trying. It doesn’t matter what Man is in office because as long as man is in charge it’s never gonna be perfect. Only when our Father in Heaven returns here to rule again there’s gonna be strife. And we as a nation need to get right with God cause he’s coming back for the judgement.



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lk

posted November 17, 2009 at 5:53 pm


glenda, we’re on the same sheet of music.



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Emily with the Kippah

posted November 17, 2009 at 5:57 pm


People have mentioned how “un-Christian” this prayer is – lest we forget this article was written by a Rabbi – a Jewish clergymember. Saying a prayer for someone in this manner is unJewish as well. But I also agree that He will make the ultimate call, since he is the True Judge, as we call Him in a prayer we say upon experiencing unfortunate events.
Yes there have been calls for Obama’s death, from Wiley Drake, a former Southern Baptist Convention officer:
http://www.abpnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4126&Itemid=53
John McGrath either does not know or forgets that the Talmud (Shabbat 31a) gives us this “key” – Hillel said exactly that the “whole Torah” is “what is hateful to you, do not do to others, and love your neighbor as yourself.” He lived from 110 BCE to 10 CE, well before Jesus.



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Kate

posted November 17, 2009 at 7:25 pm


If you want to speak of asinine posts, “rick”, you need only look at your own. There is NO evidence that Obama is a practicing Muslim (other than youtube videos and editorial articles, which, oh my goodness, are all real, unedited, and God’s own truth, right?) Give me a break. A person’s religion has no impact and should have no impact on their behavior as a leader of the government. Hell, for that matter, the fact that you think being a Muslim is inherently “wrong” is also asinine. You have nutters of every faith and no faith, no matter where you look, and those fanatics should not be taken as an accurate representation of all the people with similar religious beliefs.
Grow up.
I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again. Praying for someone’s death is just plain horrible, no matter how you twist it. Hell, the only reason I could think of is when someone is suffering greatly and you pray for God to take them so their physical pain may end. That’s the ONLY acceptable reason that comes to mind! Praying for someone’s death because you don’t agree with their politics is just disgusting.



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Cammy

posted November 17, 2009 at 10:15 pm


That’s why we say 109:8, not the whole chapter, dummy.



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John McGrath

posted November 17, 2009 at 10:23 pm


Emily, I am well aware of what Rabbi Hillel said, but I was referring to Jesus’s quoting from Leviticus, which was recorded well before Hillel. Hilel reworked the “love thy neighbor as thyself” commandment of Leviticus into a more understandable format, choosing the negative commandment format, as was used in most of the ten commandments. There are a number of similarities in what Jesus and Hilel had to say, not surprising since the Galillean rabbis were less rigid than those in Judea, and certain understandings must have been part of the common wisdom.



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Murph

posted November 17, 2009 at 11:51 pm


What is wrong with us. There is nothing funny about this. The Psalm is a prayer for the death of a ruler by his God. Do you really think it is funny to ask that Michelle be widowed and his two girls lose their father.
The “Pray for Obama” merchandise seems to have come from the same folks who gave us the Taliban.
Psalm 109: 8-9 “May his days be few; may another take his office. May his children be orphans, and his wife a widow.” The verses go together and the rest of the Psalm is no better.
THERE IS FREE SPEECH AND THERE IS YELLING “FIRE!” IN A THEATER. You demean yourselves and you encourage the worst in the American political process when you promote such venom. SHAME!
How do you justify this? Willing flaming crosses and noosed rope ends be next?



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Bob

posted November 18, 2009 at 12:07 am


Christianity has a lot of good to say, if these right-winger, “God is on my side” morons would ever take the trouble to learn anything about it. I was married to a Catholic, an ethical and kind woman, who said that the New Testament could be summed up in “Love God and love thy neighbor.” How these angry Yahoos dare to hide behind the Prince of Peace is a vile, disgusting heresy that should be called out on every occasion. If you hate, you are no Christian. If you’re going to be a Christian, you better make damned sure you deserve the title. These hateful lowlifes are no different than those Muslims who ignore the Koran’s injunction against harming innocent non-combatants. I could call myself a mongoose, but I’m no mongoose. Wake up, world. Hatred and Christianity (and Islam, for that matter) are diametrically opposed to each other. Get it? It’s not complicated. Stop spewing bile in Jesus’ name, or await your reward.



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Rocket

posted November 18, 2009 at 12:18 am


I found my way to this site b/c a friend posted this non-sense on FB. As I would say to him/her: WHO F@#$%^G cares. We all die some day. Dum arses.



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Steve Bilyue

posted November 18, 2009 at 12:27 am


In God’s time a verse is revealed; and many of us trust God in whatever He is doing. If free speech is curtailed by police powers all religions are under attack, especially the ones who entertain free choice as an innate, a natural right; on the side of the fence proclaiming liberty this is true; and on the side of the fence of censorship an educated liberty does not exist. Only faith is reliable, when openness is the rule.



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Johnny Dollar

posted November 18, 2009 at 12:36 am


If we stipulate that there are crazy people out there who would do something as crazy as harming the president and if we stipulate that the only thing these people need as a trigger to carry out these harmful acts is discussion about harming the president… then it follows that we must examine who is acting as the trigger here?
The person with a harmless bumper sticker that says Pray for the President and references a passage in the bible…
Or
The person who writes about how this bumper sticker is hate speech and how OTHER passages (not even mentioned on the sticker) talk about making the president’s wife a widow and how this is really some kind of code for wishing harm to the president?
Wishing harm against the President of the United States is against the law. Even talking about it in a half-hearted attempt at humor is grounds for a Secret Service investigation.
The only person talking about it here… is you.



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Sean Rhoades

posted November 18, 2009 at 12:37 am


Romans 13 — ESV
1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.
2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval,
4 for he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer.
5 Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God’s wrath but also for the sake of conscience.
6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing.
7 Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.
8 Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.
9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.



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Your Name

posted November 18, 2009 at 1:02 am


Gee “Chall8987″, lucky your mother didn’t murder you through having an abortion.
Yes, it’s THAT simple.
Life is life from the dividing of the ovum, and to deny it shows you have no heart.
What a sad person you are.



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Uriel

posted November 18, 2009 at 6:51 am


WOW!!! Talk about takeing scripture out of context and if that isn’t enough Rabbi, you af all people should have gotten it right.
This Tehillim (Psalm) is all about David asking G-D not to be silent when the “Wicked and Deceitful Men” pray this prayer against him, David. Since Wicked & Deceitful men are the ones praying, of course the prayer is wicked and deceitful. David finishes the Tehillim by asking G-D to be gracious and in 28 says, “Let them go on cursing; but You (G-D), bless!” The worst he askes for them is that they be put to shame.
When we are instructed to “Pray for our kings and rulers that it may be well with our land – cursing them IS NOT what is intended. We are to pray for their wisdom and yeilding to the leading of G-D. For their protection and the protection of their families. Remembering that G-D is just and knows the heart of EVERY man and HE, G-D, will repay.
So when we pray, let us keep our own hearts clean before our most holy G-D, not going to Him with bitterness and cursing. He knows better than any human what is best. We can speak our minds to Him, He already know what is going on inside of us anyway and there is no need to lie to Him, because we can’t – He knows the truth, but then leave it in HIS WILL to do what is best, lest you bring a curse upon yourself and your household.
Remember – according to the New Testament – even thinking such things put you in the possition of having done them. “If a man looks on a woman to lust after her he has already committed adultery.” So it is if a man prays for the death of another, he is committing murder.
Just so there is no question – I did not vote for our current Pres. and I would not under any circumstances – However – he is in charge of MY country for the moment and it is my duty and honor to pray for him to receive wisdom, guidance and understanding in so doing. Trust me , G-D did not sit up in Heaven and say, “Oh My look what has happened” when he was elected. If we have a problem with the Pres. we have to look at ourselves, we are the ones who let it happen, where deceived or just didn’t care enough to get out and vote. It is and was our responsability, so we learn and make better choices next time and PRAY FOR PEACE,WISDOM,GUIDANCE AND PROTECTION for our Pres. and our country. In other words, We asked for it and we got it. Let’s WATCH CAREFULLY THE THINGS WE ASK FOR.



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Robert

posted November 18, 2009 at 6:53 am


This is the same prayer your fellow columnist Michelle McGinty prayed for some Democratic office holder or another, I forget which. Then when one of her readers “prayed” it for her, her office being blogger, she vehemently protested.
Do you suppose, Rabbi, that there was an error in transcribing the scroll at some point? Is this really in the text?



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Angelique

posted November 18, 2009 at 7:21 am


Every prayer calling for the downfall of enemy, askance of bloodshed, plea for victory against what one considers tyranny has it’s correspondent selection counteracting the hate sent unto our Father.
It is irresponsible to send out, enmass, notification that prayer for violence is being “offered”, along with the specific selections, without indicating what may be done to bring back into balance protection versus destruction.
What, Rabbi, are those of us who believe that President Obama is installed as mediator for peace, on several fronts, to call unto our Lord as strike against those who would see the United States leader destroyed?
Supporter or no of Obama, his assassination can only create massive chaos and conflict, worldwide.
Please include scriptural means by which we may neutralize hate. It has been recorded for centuries; it seems as the expert in such, you are elected to disseminate that information as well.
Thank you, though, for making me aware that the Psalm is being sent up; I only wish to know how to be in Askance for it to fall flat.



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Sally

posted November 18, 2009 at 7:29 am


Oh dear Lord…please help me to understand other people’s seemingly absurd behavior. Remind me that going to extremes, may indicate feelings of frustration or powerlessness, Give me the strength to face the challenge of each day and see the opportunities that are hidden like Waldo. Let me trust in your goodness and mercy and do my very best to be kind to others, especially those who are in pain or are angry. Most of all, please make me an instrument of your peace. Amen.



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Your Name

posted November 18, 2009 at 8:33 am


Yes, the text is correct. However, as I said it was the wicked and deceitful men who were praying it against David, and history itself tells us how well that turned out for them, see as how David lived on much after this and it was not so for them.
Read the whole Tellim. In context it is easy to follow, I have the Complete Jewish Bible, and it is VERY EASY to understand.
While we are at it, we should pray for all those who have made the mistake of praying this prayer and putting it out there for the unsuspecting – that they should come to a place of repentance and a full knowledge of the scriptures.



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Delcee

posted November 18, 2009 at 9:40 am


“Getting it right” is of little concern to emotion-driven fundamentalists who have no rich tradition of wrestling with biblical passages in context. Some assassin-baiting mastermind found in Psalm 109 Verse 8 a perfect unexamined fuse for the excitable Christian fringe. Rabbi Hirschfield’s warning is in keeping with this perpetrator’s intent. It is a most worrisome escalation of an internal holy war against a United States president.



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Delcee

posted November 18, 2009 at 9:42 am


“Getting it right” is of little concern to emotion-driven fundamentalists who have no rich tradition of wrestling with biblical passages in context. Some assassin-baiting mastermind found in Psalm 109 Verse 8 a perfect unexamined fuse for the excitable Christian fringe. Rabbi Hirschfield’s warning is in keeping with this perpetrator’s intent. It is a most worrisome escalation of an internal holy war against a United States president.



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Char

posted November 18, 2009 at 10:53 am


Thank you for your article. I did not vote for Barack Obama. However, he is my President and I live and raise my daughter to pray for wisdom and protection for our leaders. I am …heartbroken that those who call themselves Christians, my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ, could be so despicable and cruel. I am just about speechless at the hateful conduct of some on both sides. I must say that I have never seen the fever pitch all-out war leveled on such a President of the United States of America as I am witnessing today. So sad and now I don’t even listen to talk radio shows at all. By the way, I will choose to resort to my living room for church services if any of this “pray for his days to be numbered” is spoken on the platform at my home church. I love God dearly and I don’t attend for a political rally type of atmosphere.



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Julie

posted November 18, 2009 at 12:13 pm


All those Christians so dismissive of the Koran need to realize that the Bible calls for violence and hatred, too, that is if you read it and the Koran carelessly and shallowly. Anyone who wants to know what the Bible says to justify the desires of their hearts should be asked, “what do you want it to say.”



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wadeduck58

posted November 18, 2009 at 12:25 pm


God Can Protect You Form Your Enemies, But The Wisest Of Us Are Obligated To Help The Weaker In Discernment…..
All Anyone Can Do Now Is Pray…
We Sheep Hear Our Shepard’s Voice And Know We Are Safely In The Fold:-) The Poor Person Who Is Offended, Is Obviously Trying To Stay Alive With A Diet Of Sickly Scraps From The Herder.
If They Regurgitate Refuse Here, Don’t Hate Them… Love Them And Hate The Goat Herder!



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David

posted November 18, 2009 at 1:07 pm


As an atheist I know all too well that nothing fails like prayer.



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Great Blue

posted November 18, 2009 at 1:33 pm


If Christians believe in eternal damnation, just whose life do they think they are endangering with this little prayer?
http://vagreatblueheron.wordpress.com/2009/11/18/who-would-jesus-assassinate/



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Your Name

posted November 18, 2009 at 1:49 pm


Why am I not surprised? If we look into the history of Christianity is this not the history of the religion….if we only look at Constantine….advance somewhat “forward” and look at the KKK and the prayers before riding out to burn crosses and hang men,women and children….now this…The blessing is that God is a wise and good GOD and knows better than you and I…I must agree with Julie on her statement of interpretation…what do you want it to mean? But I strongly agree with Rabbi Hirschfield this is despicable…at a time when we all know someone in Iran or Afghanistan fighting for what this country for a people who have been engulfed in a religious war for more longer than we ourselves have been alive. These very people are quick to judge that sanity of that while invoking this sort of dangerous in citation. Thank you Rabbi for taking a stand!



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Den

posted November 18, 2009 at 1:58 pm


If the Roman Catholic Bible was used to quote a verse OUT OF CONTEXT which happened to express a certain person’s opinion politically, would the entire Catholic Church be placed on the chopping block by these liberals?



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Cornelia

posted November 18, 2009 at 1:59 pm


OOPS quick edit of my first comment….
November 18, 2009 1:49 PM
Why am I not surprised? If we look into the history of Christianity is this not the history of the religion….if we start only with Constantine….advance somewhat “forward” and look at the KKK and the prayers before riding out to burn crosses and hang men,women and children….now this…RELIGION has frequently been used to justify violence. Faith however is a different matter.The blessing is that God is a wise and good GOD and knows better than you and I…I must agree with Julie on her statement of interpretation…what do you want it to mean? But I strongly agree with Rabbi Hirschfield this is despicable…at a time when we all know someone in Iran or Afghanistan fighting for this country for a people who have been engulfed in a religious war for far longer than we ourselves have been alive. These very people are quick to judge the sanity of that while invoking this sort of dangerous in citation. Thank you Rabbi for taking a stand!



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Elad69

posted November 18, 2009 at 2:03 pm


I Googled and found this website because I am curious what entity is selling this verse on t-shirts, bumper stickers etc. It scared me to learn of this commercial venture through the media. I am comforted to read these blogs that condemn such a hateful attempt to push some wacko into fulfilling this prayer. If the extremists in this wonderful country were to get their way, our country would truly be lost both spiritually and economically. I wonder how I will react if I ever see one of these bumper stickers/t-shirts or other items in public. I, for one, am praying this despicable entrepreneur loses his investment in this enterprise.



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AkChristian

posted November 18, 2009 at 7:16 pm


I am scared that this website would denounce Psalm 109:8 as , I quote: “There is no place for such prayers in any of our faiths and until we all stand up and say so, at least a little blood will be on all of our hands.”
Do you truly believe the Bible, or are you just choosing which books, Chapters, and verses you want to believe out of the Bible?
It’s in there, and denouncing that it doesn’t belong in any of our faiths is saying to me that Psalm 109:8 doesn’t belong in the Bible, and that says the Bible doesn’t belong in our faith and that scares the tar out of me… I don’t believe as you do then.
Just use discernment, and understand what the context of this Psalm is… Read the whole thing, will ya?



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Emily with the Kippah

posted November 18, 2009 at 7:17 pm


John, Hillel died in the year 10 CE. So his annunciation of the rule of reciprocity came earlier than Jesus. The Talmud was forbidden to be written down until about 2 centuries into the Common Era, so it’s understandable that people think it’s only as old as that – but this is untrue – it’s much much older.



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katie didd

posted November 18, 2009 at 8:23 pm


we know that the person that killed all those people will never see inside a court room



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John Bryans Fontaine

posted November 18, 2009 at 10:34 pm


Zazzle.com is responsible for producing this seditious T-shirt. Readers are encouraged to email the Secret Service with this information, as the writer has already done.
Please also viral this info.
More information about Zazzle:
Zazzle.com
1900 Seaport Blvd
4th Fl
Rewood City, CA 94063
US
Domain Name: ZAZZLE.COM
Administrative Contact, Technical Contact: Barbara Tam (?)
phone: 650-872-8000
Associated with crusaderpatriot



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JPOR

posted November 19, 2009 at 2:21 pm


Great – a christian jihad. Is this America…really?



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waitingforvizzini

posted November 19, 2009 at 6:41 pm


The people who buy this merchandise are defining themselves as the people David (the Psalmist) is talking about in verses 1-5, 20 of the same Psalm and therefore I guess that means Barack is David.
Psalm 109
Prayer for Vindication and Vengeance To the leader. Of David. A
Psalm.
1Do not be silent, O God of my praise.
2For wicked and deceitful mouths are opened against me, speaking
against me with lying tongues.
3They beset me with words of hate, and attack me without cause.
4In return for my love they accuse me, even while I make prayer for
them.*
5So they reward me evil for good, and hatred for my love.
6They say,‘Appoint a wicked man against him; let an accuser stand on his right.
7When he is tried, let him be found guilty; let his prayer be counted
as sin.
8May his days be few; may another seize his position
9May his children be orphans, and his wife a widow.
Later, he wishes all the evil they speak against him in verses 6-19 to be visited upon them in verse 20
20May that be the reward of my accusers from the Lord, of those who speak evil against my life.
It is sort of a biblical “I’m rubber you’re glue” kinda thing.
Just more evidence these nutjobs can’t or won’t understand and/or read the Bible.



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Ted

posted November 20, 2009 at 12:06 am


The arguments being used are all false in that they fail to address Psalm 109:8.
http://heyitsjustablogman.blogspot.com/2009/11/kill-him-and-bomb-his-house.html



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Your Name

posted November 20, 2009 at 12:18 am


This is going too far. I cannot come up with the words to describe how disgusted I am about this. I am filled with rage. I have been an atheist for at least ten years, and this just confirms how I feel about religion. Lincoln probably didn’t have this much hatred directed at him. The Secret Service says that death threats against this president are 400% higher than any other since the service has existed.
I want to thank you Rabbi for your article and I will bookmark this page. I spend a lot of time on political forums and there is a lot of ugliness out there. I am in my sixties and I can remember clearly the day that JFK was murdered. We don’t need another national nightmare like that in my lifetime. I speak out against the people who wave the flag,and thump beat chests while calling for the demise of our President. They are not patriots.



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Jo Losturo

posted November 20, 2009 at 6:15 am


Apparently, Zazzle has taken the offending objects off its site, but, quite unfortunately (citing freedom of speech), Cafe Press is selling numerous items with the Psalms 109:8 logo.



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R.M.

posted November 20, 2009 at 4:17 pm


Man was not created to be ruled by another man. Man was created to serve his Creator. HaShem alone is sovereign uber allens, not just over those who know and fear Him, but also over those who deny and mock Him; He is sovereign over all that breathes and all that does not.
The Sovereign Holy One, Blessed be He, directs the ways of the rulers and mighty men, just as He directs the ways of the rivers. Just as the rivers cannot choose where to flow, we cannot choose that which has not been given to us. Only a fool would deny this and say The Ancient of Days has no place in his life because he does not believe He exists or that He plays no part in his life. It does not matter if the clay sees The Potter, what matters is that The Potter sees the clay. So, do not mock the One who created the Alef-Beit by picking a phrase from His Words and using them for an evil purpose; Do not use Good to form evil, or take Good and say it is evil, for that is truly blasphemy.
FOR THIS REASON, do not worry so much about what your leaders may do or not do. What HaShem permits one to do, the next may undo. The Founders overthrew Tyrany to found this land in Liberty and Justice and Freedom with the blessings of the Supreme Architect. It is that same Architect’s privilege undo and destroy their work in judgement of those who have not cherished those same lofty ideals. When those who remain, those who have survived His Judgement(s) repent in sack-cloth and ashes as it were, then He will lead them to rebuild as He directs them, or He may not. It is His choice alone.
Also, do not presume to tell the RuachHaKodesh when life comes to a child; for before you were a child you were a part of your mother and her life flowed in your veins, for the life IS in the blood, and the same Breath that gave her life gave life to you, until you gasped and His Breath filled your lungs. So, tell me creature when were you never alive and when did you first become you?
In all of this, pray. Not prayers of evil, but prayers of sorrow and anguish and grief for the evil that is within us all, and pray for time, time to make things right. Pray not for evil, for we have enough evil. Pray not for judgement, for we are judged. Pray not for patience, for we have enough trials and tribulations. Pray for mercy for all of us. Pray for our enemies to find love. Pray for our leaders to find wisdom, for that can only come from above. Pray for everyone to know and work for Shalom, for it is the Father and Mother of peace and happiness. Pray for good for others, for your enemies and the unknown ones, for that is where you will find good for yourselves.
Shalom. Peace. And, may G-d truly bless us all.



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pog

posted November 20, 2009 at 5:21 pm


I don’t remember praying for the death of President Bush and I strongley disagreed with his “Holier than thou” attitude towards issues that effect almost every family in america. I just wish that some of the Conservitives would just come out a say the N word it would be more honest as to the way they feel. Isn’t it that obvious? This is just my thoughts.



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The prophet Nathan says "You are the man who has a place for this prayer"

posted November 20, 2009 at 6:46 pm


“There is no place for such prayers in any of our faiths and until we all stand up and say so, at least a little blood will be on all of our hands.”
Surely as a rabbi, you understand that there is indeed a place for this exact prayer in your faith as well as in the faith of billions of Jews and Christians throughout time and the world over. That place is right there in the Book of Psalms where this prayer has been located for thousands of years, in the Ketuvim of the Tanakh or the Old Testament of the Bible.
So my question for you is this: have you gone out and torn this Psalm out of your own copies of the Tanakh?
If you have not, does that mean that you do have a place for this prayer in your faith?
And if you have, which other parts of your faith are you also willing to sacrifice on the altar of political correctness should someone come along and embarrass you by misusing them?



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Marie

posted November 21, 2009 at 1:10 am


Granted Obama needs prayers hopefully God guides him in the Right direction. It is Sad that prayer for him is being used in a bad way Prayer should always be used for good ! Never for bad ! Granted Obama is not doing any good for the country so far not one thing good. But get real who ever prays for his demise is wrong in doing so ! If you pray then please pray for good to come from his presidency ask God to guide him to do good for the country and the people. Not for bad things to happen to him or his family ! He is a human being just like you and me and no one should ever be praying for evil to happen to a person ! I don’t agree with anything Obama is doing . But I do not agree with the person or persons who started this ! Prayer should never EVER be used in this form !



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Carl

posted November 21, 2009 at 12:21 pm


Ugly prayer?
So, what other parts of the holy books are “ugly” in your opinion?



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NTodd

posted November 21, 2009 at 1:43 pm


Psalm 73:7 leaps to mind when thinking of the teabaggers and faux Christians: From their callous hearts comes iniquity; the evil conceits of their minds know no limits.



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Rick Garner

posted November 21, 2009 at 4:31 pm

cuthean

posted November 21, 2009 at 9:05 pm


I do hope he dies.
No question about it.



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Guy

posted November 21, 2009 at 10:28 pm


There’s nothing wrong with this. It’s just a catchy and clever way for Obama opponents to gain attention. I don’t interpret this prayer for Obama as meaning anything other than hoping the remaining three years of his term in office pass quickly before being defeated in the 2012 election. It is absurd for anyone to think this clever bumbper sticker wishes any kind of harm.
Of course, it seems no one had a problem with liberals protesting with signs wishing the death of President Bush.



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Art

posted November 22, 2009 at 10:29 am


Hypocrisy of religious morality. WHEN did wishing and praying for kids to become orphans and wives to become widows, death and assassination of the man ( who is lawfully elected by majority of the citizens of the society they live in) become a Christian Value? Shameless hypocrites.



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Lee Elder

posted November 22, 2009 at 3:45 pm


Lighten up, Rabbi. It’s a joke, just like Obama.



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Kate

posted November 22, 2009 at 5:18 pm


Cuthean, I’m sure many have said the same about you. ;)
It is not up to us to decide the hour or manner of another human being’s demise. Death is a certainty, as all of us will meet out Maker eventually. And as such, God alone controls when and how we shall die. Leave life and death to Him, and instead consider what a jackass you made yourself out to be.



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Ymarsakar

posted November 22, 2009 at 5:40 pm


“WHEN did wishing and praying for kids to become orphans and wives to become widows, death and assassination of the man ( who is lawfully elected by majority of the citizens of the society they live in) become a Christian Value? Shameless hypocrites.”
When did you and your plantation fellow travelers get the right to tell people what they believe simply because it is what you want to be true, fear is true?
Only in the Left’s lala land can actual murderer and the ego tension of moral cowardice felt by the personal threat of such, be attributed mostly to hypothetical Christians ‘running amok’.



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Lisa Hartke

posted November 23, 2009 at 9:41 am


Obama is bad for this Country- whether you see that or not. A lot of American’s believe he is ruing this Country for us and our children. If it is God’s will that his days be few and someone takes his office -I’m all for it(preferably just the office part). If I can pray to possibly help that a long I will. By the way I also pray for God to guide him and help him make the right decisions. So, far-it ain’t happening.



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portwes

posted November 23, 2009 at 2:04 pm


This is NOT a joke! There are enough extremists who call themselves “Christian” that some will think they are God’s instruments to carry out this scripture literally.
What scares me is the lack of outrage among a sizable number of commenters here, who are obviously evangelicals, and who don’t find this disturbing at all. “It’s just a joke” or “Obama brought it on himself” are among the phrases they use to justify it.
It is just because of “Christians” like this that I am now an agnostic, after 46 years as a fervent evangelical christian, with a Bachelor of Theology from Multnomah Bible College, and years as a missionary in Europe. I find these “followers of Jesus” hypocrites of the highest degree, just as Jesus found the money changers in the temple. If God (presuming he exists) chooses to allow these people into heaven, while condemning me and countless billions of good people to hell, then so be it.



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Dan

posted November 23, 2009 at 4:05 pm


You have got to be kidding. No one is including the next verse in anything, except for you who are trying to pick a fight. The quote is merely a hope that we do not have to have Obama for another term. It is not those who are humorously displaying the bumper sticker or t-shirt who are haters. It is those who are wanting to stop any kind of discourse. Just because I may disagree doesn’t make me any less of a Christian.



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PastorStrangeLove

posted November 26, 2009 at 6:59 am


[quote]It is just because of “Christians” like this that I am now an agnostic, after 46 years as a fervent evangelical christian, with a Bachelor of Theology from Multnomah Bible College, and years as a missionary in Europe.[/quote]
What a weak awful example to your ex brothers and sisters of th christian faith. You certainly were and are no leader and are an embarrassment to Christians everywhere. I suggest if you must be an ‘agnostic’ to at least own it and stop blaming others for your own spiritual inadequacies.



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1st Lady of the Light

posted November 26, 2009 at 8:04 pm


To all those who profess to pray to God to guide Obama in the RIGHT way –which way is that, pray tell? The way YOU think is best? Maybe Obama is already following the Light — that small, still voice that says Be Still and Know that I am. Maybe the prayer you should pray is “help me understand thy will in MY life and guide me along the path thou has choosen for me.”
By the way, I am a member of the Religious Society of Friends (Quaker) and am pleased to see that the Obama’s have enrolled their children in a Friends school — where the way of the Light is upheld.



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Annamarie Evans

posted December 10, 2009 at 3:17 pm


Even a Babe in Christ knows that this is not the will of God. God – as any Father – wants no harm to come to any of HIS Children. May God continue to bless President Obama and his family. May God continue to Bless America!



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Your Name

posted December 15, 2009 at 3:50 pm


Where do these idiots get off thinking that they know better than GOD? I’ve heard them saying “We should be beyond this” and similar remarks about this Bible verse. The verse reads,”Let his days be few; and let another take his office”. That is not an anti-Obama prayer. that is a Godly, Biblical prayer. Verse 9 was never mentioned except by the liberal, trash talking, Bush hating crowd. The same ones who suddenly got “religion” when their “god” got voted into an office leading a nation he doesn’t even love. Call me racist if you want, but I stand by my beliefs and behind the cross of Calvary no matter what comes our way. May GOD have mercy on America!



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Win

posted December 25, 2009 at 10:30 am


Sir: With due respect, this country is NOT a democracy. It is a constitutional republic. There is a huge difference between mob rule (democracy) and republican (lower case) rule. The problem is that the dumb masses have elected representatives that do not vote in accordance with their constituents wishes. As much as I oppose the current administration (I wasn’t a huge fan of the last one either) I would never wish for the demise of the President or his family. Also: racist- “a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race”. Bigot -”a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance”. If we’re gonna use the words, at least know the correct meaning!



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Tbone1128

posted January 5, 2010 at 10:54 am


“And before anyone excuses this toxic use of scripture as nothing more than the wish that President Obama not be re-elected to a second term of office, the next verse in the psalm reads, “May his children be orphans and his wife a widow”.
Which is precisely why the “prayer request”, if you will, is not cited as Psalm 109:8-9 or simply Psalm 109 for that matter.
Personally, I think the entire matter is being over analyzed. It’s a joke. And as such, the point of the joke is in the eye of the beholder. If you think it funny / humorous, fine. If you think it in poor taste / off color, that’s fine too.
This is no worse (in some respects, mild) compared to some of the comments made about President Bush during his tenure in office. It’s Obama’s turn now.
Man up and take the hit.
Just sayin’.



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CMoore

posted January 7, 2010 at 9:18 am


It sickens me, as a practicing Christian, to see people taking Biblical Scripture, that’s supposed to be Holy, out of context with the overall and complete message the author is making. Way too often, people enjoy carefully selecting specific chapters and verses when making statements about their own political and personal beliefs. For example, the talking points of Psalm 109:8 cannot be made without including the verses prior to and following 109:8.
It’s obvious these people haven’t read the entire Bible, and/or, haven’t studied the authors of the various chapters of the Bible, to more understand where they fit into God’s plan, who they are addressing, and what they are trying to say. In Psalm 109, this chapter was written by King David. I advise people to read this entire chapter, for David is NOT telling the people of 2009 to pray for harm to come to our president (Obama).
When people use Holy Scripture to condemn another one of God’s children, wishing them and/or their family harm, or for any other toxic self-centered destructive reason(s), well quite frankly, they are corrupting the Holy Word of God. That’s indeed a sin.
I advise people to stop taking Holy Scripture out of context to substantiate/justify their own personal belief systems, make political statements, and/or for any toxic self-centered reason. This is NOT what the Christian Bible was meant to be used for!



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Mike M

posted January 7, 2010 at 9:21 am


It sickens me, as a practicing Christian, to see people taking Biblical Scripture, that’s supposed to be Holy, out of context with the overall and complete message the author is making. Way too often, people enjoy carefully selecting specific chapters and verses when making statements about their own political and personal beliefs. For example, the talking points of Psalm 109:8 cannot be made without including the verses prior to and following 109:8.
It’s obvious these people haven’t read the entire Bible, and/or, haven’t studied the authors of the various chapters of the Bible, to more understand where they fit into God’s plan, who they are addressing, and what they are trying to say. In Psalm 109, this chapter was written by King David. I advise people to read this entire chapter, for David is NOT telling the people of 2009 to pray for harm to come to our president (Obama).
When people use Holy Scripture to condemn another one of God’s children, wishing them and/or their family harm, or for any other toxic self-centered destructive reason(s), well quite frankly, they are corrupting the Holy Word of God. That’s indeed a sin.
I advise people to stop taking Holy Scripture out of context to substantiate/justify their own personal belief systems, make political statements, and/or for any toxic self-centered reason. This is NOT what the Christian Bible was meant to be used for!



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Mark

posted January 7, 2010 at 5:16 pm


No matter how someone interprets Psalms; where was the outcry from people making movies that fantasized the asassination of President Bush? If you want runaway Socialism…move to Argentina or Cuba.



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Yehuda

posted February 5, 2010 at 6:23 pm


Oi! Mike M.. the Hebrew scriptures are not “the xian bible”. They are our (Jews) patrimony, period. What the founders of your multifarious factions stole/appropriated is of little moment. Don’t carry on the habit of the roman church & try to lay claim to everything in sight.
Reb Hirschfield, This Obama is an evil man. There is no averah in a Pulsa D’nurah against such a beast.



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jerry

posted February 23, 2010 at 9:14 pm


The context for 109.8 is this:
right wing talk show hosts on TV and radio all
pushing the limits of acceptable banter. One is
assigned the “birther” movement and not being able
to defend the indefensible will say “hey, we’re just
asking the hard questions”. Another will be assigned
the government and Obama taking your guns and someother
lune who has to support a family and mortgage will
talk about mandated government insurance Id’s taking
away our liberties and freedoms and bla bla bla.
The key strength of republicans (and those who hide
behind “unaligned” showbiz libertarianism)is their
willingness to follow orders and do what they’re told.
This, up till recently, applied to republican politicians.
This applies to “ditto heads” and to republican talk show
hosts and columnists. Be part of the herd. Feel like you
belong and are part of something you don’t understand but
is greater than yourself. In other words, have faith and
tune in to Rush.
For showbiz talk show hosts it’s, tow the line or
suffer unemployment, be vilified, lose the house and
the false rumors will follow.
109.8 was part of a strategy of ‘we can say what we want
and get away with it’.
109.8 in regards to Obama is the belief of a sick mind
who knows not what he does, but, if he’s told it’s in the name of
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Ken Roberts

posted March 7, 2010 at 3:05 pm


I think as usual the lefties are taking this to hard and it was a in fun only thing and not wishing the demise of any one, but merely expressing a desire to see his days shortened in office, as he is spending us into a dead end. this mans wife spends 1.5 million a year on staff just for her 22 staff personnel ! where is the out rage I see none. 500 dollars for a snack might seem a little to rich for most peoples blood but not Obama and Michelle. So please spare us the innuendos of killing and murder being strictly a right winged event. there are more violent left winged nuts then there are right winged nuts so who cares. These people are on the fringe in both sides . What I see is a joke maybe a bad joke but a joke just the same. Grow up please.



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Ken Roberts

posted March 7, 2010 at 3:10 pm


I know of no one that has actually prayed for Obama to die . I have prayed that his days be shortened in office but again I view the thing as a bad joke and no one would actually invoke their God to take any one out that would be wrong as can be. I pray Obama has many days , I just pray they are not in the white house. Again there is a need for our so called intellectuals to grow up .



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karen

posted March 25, 2010 at 5:05 am


I doubt that whoever posted the biblical quote meant it to go past the part where it referred to ‘his days of leadership be short and that he be replaced’. However, anytime anyone puts something like this ‘out there’, it becomes a gamble that someone who doesn’t have a firm grip on reality might use it – no one really knows what ‘triggers’ a person ‘on the edge’.
to Jerry – why do you partisan politics types persist in trying to make this a partisan issue? for example: I am a registered democrat, I was a registered republican …. only so I can vote in the primaries, I am actually an independent who chooses to think for myself, and doesn’t care what some ‘party platform’ says I should think. As far as the ‘showbiz’ propaganda you’re slinging, are you referring to Sean Penn, Susan Sarandon, Jane Fonda aka Hanoi Jane, the Dixie Chicks, the ‘lamestream media’etc.,etc.,etc? Why don’t you take the ‘blinders’ off and think, ‘I am a citizen of the United States of America’ as a starting point, and see if you can put a coherent thought or two, together, of your very own.
With that thought in mind, consider this, we have a white house full of ’1960-1970′ anti-america radicals. Based on their own words, you can read their lips in their videos, their goal is to ‘destroy the government known as the United States of America. They have written books, they have made speeches in which the repeatedly state this goal, and say they are, communist, marxist, socialist, and they admire; Mao, Che Gueverra, Fidel Castro, and Hugo Chavez. Now, put on your thinking cap, study up on a few of these things if you need to, then tell me: Do you really think any of this is a good thing?



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posted April 18, 2010 at 6:22 pm


It,s funny karen you just made jerrys point,”im not republican”take off your blinders”"lamestream media”do some reading”ya’ll say the same thing when replying.almost like you’ve all heard it from the same place.glenn,rush,neil,sean,come on which one is it?



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Christian

posted April 24, 2010 at 12:30 am


To wish harm to anyone is evil. To wish this president only one term is intelligent.



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Larry Dolan

posted April 25, 2010 at 2:21 pm


How far are these people going with all this politically correct crap. Pulling apart every dot and dash, no sense of humor or reality! The bumper sticker was creative. I’ve seen much worst during the bush administration. An analogy just came to mind, Remember Whimpy’s “I’ll be glad to pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today” Now there’s somthing to dig into, and tear apart and suggest a relationship to anything under the sun today. How about the housing market? I have several quite liberal friends that cannot see the forest for the trees. Let’s sue Whimpy and Popeye. Where’s the ACLU? It’s like a disease. Geeze, relax, get a life, pay for your own entitlements.



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Alex

posted April 26, 2010 at 6:22 pm


I think most folks neither know nor care what the next verse is not what the book contains. They merely wish a closure to an unpopular administration. They wish nobody harm and certainly no the President.
As for a “toxic” use of the scriptures, I’d say these scriptures are pretty toxic to begin with.
I’d also say the writer of the article above is acting like a scared old lady. Surly you have more pressing issues to talk about than this?



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Dennis

posted April 27, 2010 at 4:51 am


First off, we are not a democracy. We are a representative republic unfortunately hijacked by democrats/marxists/socialists/communists. You lose any credibility. Secondly, everyone should pray to rid these evils.



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(The US is NOT a Democracy: it is a Democratic REPUBLIC.) I recall the horrible verbal/written attacks on President Bush during his years in office. Some wished him dead, publicly. There was even a movie where President Bush was killed! I bet you were very concerned then too, weren’t you?!



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posted May 27, 2010 at 12:19 pm


For a group whose MO is taking things out of context, liberals should understand the humor here as it was meant…….”lighten up, Francis.”



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posted December 24, 2011 at 12:10 am


Who are you to say what people of faith can or cannot pray for?
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And if you are an atheist and truly believe that the Lord does not exist, then what is it to you?



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posted December 28, 2011 at 9:58 am


I have seen references to 109:8 – yours is the only reference I have seen to 109:9, however sticking with the facts has never been something to stop you liberals. I am surprised that you didn’t try to bring race into the issue.



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posted April 18, 2012 at 6:33 pm


Do you think the Jews during WW2 were praying for Hitler to have a great life? How about the Balkans with Hitler giving Amin Al Husseini (Father of Modern jihad and Yassar Arafat’s mentor, and one of the founders of the Muslim Brotherhood ), do you think the thousands and thousands there were wishig him a great day?

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If you were a Jew living in Nazi Germany, what would have been your prayer? Obama is no friend of Israel!



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