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What You Lose When You Sign That Donor Card

Giving away your organs sounds noble, but have doctors blurred the line between life and death?


[ORGANS] Photo Illustration Joel Holland, Gallery Stock (photo)
Doctors don’t have to tell you or your relatives what they will do to your body during an organ harvest operation because you’ll be dead, with no legal rights.

The last time I renewed my driver’s license, the clerk at the DMV asked if she should check me off as an organ donor. I said no. She looked at me and asked again. I said, “No. Just check the box that says, ‘I am a heartless, selfish bastard.'”


Becoming an organ donor seems like a win-win situation. Some 3.3 people on the transplant waiting list will have their lives extended by your gift (3.3 is the average yield of solid organs per donor). You’re a hero, and at no real cost, apparently.

But what are you giving up when you check the donor box on your license? Your organs, of course—but much more. You’re also giving up your right to informed consent. Doctors don’t have to tell you or your relatives what they will do to your body during an organ harvest operation because you’ll be dead, with no legal rights.The most likely donors are victims of head trauma (from, say, a car or motorcycle accident), spontaneous bleeding in the head, or an aneurysm—patients who can be ruled dead based on brain-death criteria. But brain deaths are estimated to be just around 1% of the total. Everyone else dies from failure of the heart, circulation and breathing, which leads the organs to deteriorate quickly.


The current criteria on brain death were set by a Harvard Medical School committee in 1968, at a time when organ transplantation was making great strides. In 1981, the Uniform Determination of Death Act made brain death a legal form of death in all 50 states.

The exam for brain death is simple. A doctor splashes ice water in your ears (to look for shivering in the eyes), pokes your eyes with a cotton swab and checks for any gag reflex, among other rudimentary tests. It takes less time than a standard eye exam. Finally, in what’s called the apnea test, the ventilator is disconnected to see if you can breathe unassisted. If not, you are brain dead. (Some or all of the above tests are repeated hours later for confirmation.)


Here’s the weird part. If you fail the apnea test, your respirator is reconnected. You will begin to breathe again, your heart pumping blood, keeping the organs fresh. Doctors like to say that, at this point, the “person” has departed the body. You will now be called a BHC, or beating-heart cadaver.

Still, you will have more in common biologically with a living person than with a person whose heart has stopped. Your vital organs will function, you’ll maintain your body temperature, and your wounds will continue to heal. You can still get bedsores, have heart attacks and get fever from infections.

“I like my dead people cold, stiff, gray and not breathing,” says Dr. Michael A. DeVita of the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center. “The brain dead are warm, pink and breathing.”


You might also be emitting brainwaves. Most people are surprised to learn that many people who are declared brain dead are never actually tested for higher-brain activity. The 1968 Harvard committee recommended that doctors use electroencephalography (EEG) to make sure the patient has flat brain waves. Today’s tests concentrate on the stalk-like brain stem, in charge of basics such as breathing, sleeping and waking. The EEG would alert doctors if the cortex, the thinking part of your brain, is still active.

But various researchers decided that this test was unnecessary, so it was eliminated from the mandatory criteria in 1971. They reasoned that, if the brain stem is dead, the higher centers of the brain are also probably dead.


But in at least two studies before the 1981 Uniform Determination of Death Act, some “brain-dead” patients were found to be emitting brain waves. One, from the National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke in the 1970s, found that out of 503 patients who met the usual criteria of brain death, 17 showed activity in an EEG.

Even some of the sharpest critics of the brain-death criteria argue that there is no possibility that donors will be in pain during the harvesting of their organs. One, Robert Truog, professor of medical ethics, anesthesia and pediatrics at Harvard Medical School, compared the topic of pain in an organ donor to an argument over “whether it is OK to kick a rock.”


But BHCs—who don’t receive anesthetics during an organ harvest operation—react to the scalpel like inadequately anesthetized live patients, exhibiting high blood pressure and sometimes soaring heart rates. Doctors say these are simply reflexes.

What if there is sound evidence that you are alive after being declared brain dead? In a 1999 article in the peer-reviewed journal Anesthesiology, Gail A. Van Norman, a professor of anesthesiology at the University of Washington, reported a case in which a 30-year-old patient with severe head trauma began breathing spontaneously after being declared brain dead. The physicians said that, because there was no chance of recovery, he could still be considered dead. The harvest proceeded over the objections of the anesthesiologist, who saw the donor move, and then react to the scalpel with hypertension.


Organ transplantation—from procurement of organs to transplant to the first year of postoperative care—is a $20 billion per year business. Average recipients are charged $750,000 for a transplant, and at an average 3.3 organs, that is more than $2 million per body. Neither donors nor their families can be paid for organs.

It is possible that not being a donor on your license can give you more bargaining power. If you leave instructions with your next of kin, they can perhaps negotiate a better deal. Instead of just the usual icewater-in-the-ears, why not ask for a blood-flow study to make sure your cortex is truly out of commission?

And how about some anesthetic? Although he doesn’t believe the brain dead feel pain, Dr. Truog has used two light anesthetics, high-dose fentanyl and sufentanil, which won’t harm organs, to quell high blood pressure or heart rate during harvesting operations. “If it were my family,” he said, “I’d request them.”


—Mr. Teresi is the author of “The Undead: Organ Harvesting, the Ice-Water Test, Beating-Heart Cadavers—How Medicine Is Blurring the Line Between Life and Death.”

A version of this article appeared Mar. 10, 2012, on page C3 in some U.S. editions of The Wall Street Journal, with the headline: What You Lose When You Sign That Donor Card.

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posted October 28, 2012 at 3:52 pm

I’m a member of an OPO (organ procurement organization – required and regulated by law in every state in the US) and this is the most far fetched, ill-considered bit of fantasy I’ve come across lately. Are you TRYING to be a fiction writer?

NOK (next of kin) ALWAYS make terminal decision for every patient taken off life support. Medical personnel absolutely do not use the Driver’s License in any state in the country as ‘permission’ to remove someone from life support.

Furthermore, OPOs have no access to DL information — it is not banked anywhere and is only for ‘on the scene’ emergency response personnel to use in case of accident or suicide. If a license indicates the licensee was willing to offer to be an organ donor, a rapid transport decision may be made for an otherwise DOA individual for the purpose of saving any viable organs.

Your diver’s license NEVER comes into play if you are in a hospital on life support.

You’ve really started a myth here, and have committed a real disservice by handing out the misinformation included in this article.

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posted May 19, 2012 at 3:44 pm


Former Texas priest John Fiala found guilty of plotting the murder of man who accused him of sexual abuse
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(CBS/AP) DALLAS, Texas – A Dallas County jury found a former Roman Catholic priest guilty of hiring a hit man to kill the man who accused him of sexual abuse.
The jury of three men and nine women returned its verdict on John M. Fiala after a few hours’ deliberation Thursday afternoon, The Dallas Morning News reported. Testimony began in the penalty phase and Fiala could be sentenced to up to life in prison for solicitation of capital murder.
Prosecutors said Fiala tried to hire a neighbor’s brother to kill his accuser. The alleged victim accused Fiala of abusing him in 2008, when he was 16 years old and Fiala was the priest at a rural West Texas parish.

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Donna Calvin

posted May 11, 2012 at 7:49 pm

Harry Loft,

Thank you for your disparaging remarks about me and to me, saying that I am out of my mind, that there is no Satan, no hell, no sin, all awful illusions, that I’m ignorant and dismal, that I know nothing…You assure me that I walk with Christ for St. Paul wrote:

“We are fools for Christ’s sake, but ye are wise in Christ; we are weak, but ye are strong; ye are honourable, but we are despised.” (1 Corinthians 4:10 KJV ).

And also:

“For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness.” (1 Corinthians 3:19 KJV)

“For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.” (1 Corinthians 1:18 KJV)

“For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.” (1 Corinthians 1:21 KJV)

Jesus said:

If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. [John 15:18 KJV]

If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father. [John 15:24 KJV]

But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause. [John 15:25 KJV]


God is love! Praise be the name of Jesus Christ!
Have a good life on planet earth, Harry Loft, because once you leave here it is going to get very miserable.

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Harry Loft

posted May 11, 2012 at 6:33 pm

Donna: You are out of your mind. Nuts! There is no Satan. There is no hell. There is no sin. All awful illusions. Your beliefs are ignorant and dismal. You know nothing.——-Though, you know maybe—-if we could just sacrifice another human being–maybe God would be happy—-Not so though I afraid!-we humans have done that sacrificial thing many thousands of times in the past—it just doesn’t work—then lets forget about human sacrifice once and for all! Ok? Good idea! Yes! At least lets agree on that.

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Donna Calvin

posted May 11, 2012 at 6:22 pm

Josh Green,

One day you will know more than you know today. You will know what is truly important and who were the real lunatics and liars. I pray that you will find out before you draw your last breath on planet earth and wake up to find yourself standing before God, the Father, the Great I AM, and Jesus Christ, His Only Begotten Son, at the White Throne Judgment. It is written for the Hebrews … [Hebrews 9:27 KJV] And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Josh Green, a Jew, I say to you, I never said that antisemitism is not a problem. Neither is Obama’s position that reflects his hatred of Israel. Yet more Jews vote for the antisemite, Obama, who selling them out. How can Jews be so antisemitic? How? Because they are not real Jews! They belong to Satan and think they are serving God. Oh, my heart aches and cries for the lost Jews.

[Revelation 2:9 KJV] I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
[Revelation 3:9 KJV] Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

My Jewish relatives know all about antisemitism.

You, Josh Green, are not aware of the Christian persecution and anti-Christs who walk among us today throughout the world.

Josh Green, knowing you are a Jew, I say to you, that nothing, one day will be more important to you than the True Word of God, the Holy King James Bible, and the loving Savior and Messiah Jesus Christ, whom you reject. For the Word of God declares:

[Romans 14:11-14 KJV] For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. 12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. 13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother’s way. 14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

“Inspirational. Do you know for sure?” posted on Tuesday July 26, 2011 located at

Josh Green, may wisdom and truth guide you into all peace, love and joy.
[Psalms 122:6 KJV] Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.

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Donna Calvin

posted May 11, 2012 at 5:52 pm

Harry Loft,

You’re right, there are many people in the world for eons who have professed to be Christians but who are not. Going to church on Sundays doesn’t make anyone a Christian. Jesus speaks of these kinds of people in the Bible. Read… [Revelation 2:9 KJV] I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. [Revelation 3:9 KJV] Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

The same holds true for those who call themselves Christians but who are not. You will know a real Christian by their fruit. Read… [Matthew 12:33-37 KJV] Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit. [ 34 ] O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. [ 35 ] A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. [ 36 ] But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. [ 37 ] For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

So it’s nothing new that people led by Satan say they are Christians to make real Christians look evil. That’s the work of the devil! He hates Christians..

Real Christians speak out and defend the helpless, the innocent, those who are being tortured and persecuted. Satan is the father of death and hatred and loves to see innocents murdered and tortured!

So, I have this question for you, how do you know that all the people you refer to are real, true, bona fide, born-again Christian believers? Have you met them? Would you recognize a born-again true Christian if you met one? How would you know if they were for real or not? How would you recognize what good fruit is? How could you when you don’t have a clue what the Word of God says about Who He is, Who Christ is, or Who Christians are.

If you truly think that it is a good thing to rescue people who are being tortured and punished for no reason, I adjure you, Harry Loft, have you written a letter to Obama asking him to take action to put pressure on Iran concerning the Christian Pastor Yousef Nadarkhani in the middle east who is being held in prison awaiting a death sentence to be carried out if he doesn’t renounce Jesus Christ? He was found guilty of being of Christian and that’s illegal by Iran’s law; therefore, he has been given a death sentence. I have written Obama, have you?

Today, 100 million innocent babies have been slaughtered in bloody abortion mills across the USA since Roe v Wade, 1973, was made law. Harry Loft, what have you done to stop that holocaust? If your god is so good and so great, so wise, so wonderful, so concerned about abating evil, what has he told you to do to stop the American holocaust of 100 million innocent babies?

Harry Loft, you are a deceived fool who thinks he can create a god and that god is going to work for him to do whatever you want him to do. That is living in complete darkness of the real truth of the joy of living in Christ. There is freedom and enjoyment of living and serving the real, one true God of the Holy King James Bible, Jesus Christ.

If you knew God’s Word you would know that is so different from silly fools who create their own idols from those who truly know Who God is and what God’s Word says…
[Proverbs 3:5 KJV] Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. [ 6 ] In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. [ 7 ] Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.

Moreover, every example you give where you blame “Christians” for evil and laziness is just full of holes and hooey! Why? Because it is so simple and the truth eludes all the simpletons of the world. Just because someone says they are a Christian, doesn’t mean they are Christians. Last Sunday, Joe Biden, a Roman Catholic, said that he is perfectly comfortable with sodomites marrying. Well, God calls sodomy an abomination! Joe Biden is no more a Christian than you are. Another example, just this week Obama says he’s a Christian and says he supports sodomite marriage. Obama accused Jesus of being a sinner! Any Christian worth his salt knows that Jesus Christ was sinless! Obama committed blasphemy! That is the worst form of blasphemy I have ever heard from a sitting president of the USA! God calls sodomy an abomination, so how can Obama say he supports sodomite marriage and be a Christian at the same time. The answer is simple, he cannot claim Christ when he does not adhere to what Christ preaches and teaches. The answer is simple, but the fools in America will not hear it. That’s how the liar and evildoer Obama got elected. You think Christians elected Hitler? They were not Christians who elected Hitler anymore than it was Christians who elected Obama. Real Christians would never vote for Obama! Obama cannot claim Christ, but Obama can lie, just like his father Satan lies!

You, Obama, and Biden enjoy the company and influence of the same one who tried to outsmart God long, long ago and is destined to live eternity in the Lake of Fire. His name is Satan! [John 8:44 KJV] Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

This is what a real Christian did about slavery:
A devout Christian man, William Wilberforce (24 August 1759 – 29 July 1833) was a British politician, philanthropist, and a leader of the movement to abolish the slave trade. A native of Kingston upon Hull, Yorkshire, he began his political career in 1780, eventually becoming the independent Member of Parliament for Yorkshire (1784–1812). In 1785, he underwent a conversion experience and became an evangelical Christian, resulting in major changes to his lifestyle and a lifelong concern for reform. In 1787, he came into contact with Thomas Clarkson and a group of anti-slave-trade activists, including Granville Sharp, Hannah More and Charles Middleton. They persuaded Wilberforce to take on the cause of abolition, and he soon became one of the leading English abolitionists. He headed the parliamentary campaign against the British slave trade for twenty-six years until the passage of the Slave Trade Act of 1807. Wilberforce was convinced of the importance of religion, morality and education. He championed causes and campaigns such as the Society for Suppression of Vice, British missionary work in India, the creation of a free colony in Sierra Leone, the foundation of the Church Mission Society, and the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals. His underlying conservatism led him to support politically and socially repressive legislation, and resulted in criticism that he was ignoring injustices at home while campaigning for the enslaved abroad. In later years, Wilberforce supported the campaign for the complete abolition of slavery, and continued his involvement after 1826, when he resigned from Parliament because of his failing health. That campaign led to the Slavery Abolition Act 1833, which abolished slavery in most of the British Empire; Wilberforce died just three days after hearing that the passage of the Act through Parliament was assured. He was buried in Westminster Abbey, close to his friend William Pitt. (Wikipedia)

People who said they were Christian, the Quakers, in America fought slavery, not with guns, but they instituted the Underground Railroad to help slaves escape to Canada. Not everyone who said they were Christians did nothing to stop slavery.

The only people who practice slavery today as far as nations go are Muslims!

American Christians successfully defeated the practice of slavery following the Civil War, you foolish simple-minded man. We have not practice slavery, I am happy to point out to you, here in America for almost 150 years, yet you are clinging to irrationally held beliefs about who did what to whom. That is plainly the work of Satan deluding your mind.

You are worse than a fool, you are a deceiver and a liar. Why? You do not have the mind of Christ and you do not know the One True God. You only know the liar, Satan, and you have accepted him as your god. Read…[1 Corinthians 2:16 KJV] For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

You talk about the Crusades, well, what is going on today in Afghanistan? It’s called a war with Muslims. Why haven’t you and your god stopped it? So are you a part of the vile evilness you accuse Christians of participating in? Are you out there with anti-war signs protesting the war in the middle east? What is you and your god doing about this war? Muslims still practice slavery, so then should you instead be signing up to go fight in Afghanistan to oppose the Muslims who still practice slavery? What is your invented god telling you to do?

One day, unless you repent, of denying the Real God and bow down to Him, you will spend all eternity with the god you have put in charge of your life. You both will end up in the Lake of Fire.

You brag that you know that Steven Suresky was a liar and that he put his rantings on my blog raving about self-immolation and being a Koresh devotee. So you think that makes you superior to me. Hey, there are a lot of people smarter than me. Whatever you and Satan think of me, I may have done even worse than you have conjured up in your mind??? After all, look at what Saul did before he was converted to Christ. The Christian saints of the early Christian Church were terrified of Paul even after he converted! When he was known as Saul, as a very powerful Jewish Pharisee, he pursued and murdered Christians at every opportunity thinking he was doing the right thing serving the religion of Israel and the One-God he believed in! His mistake was he rejected Jesus Christ and that led him into a personal holocaust of Christians! I am not perfect, nor have I ever claimed to be! I am a sinner, saved by grace and the blood of Jesus Christ. I am a work in progress. But, Harry Loft, you see, I am not in charge of doing this ministry or my good works.


You, Harry Loft, are influenced, not controlled by Satan. You are a slave to Satan.

There are only two forces in the Universe. God and Satan. You belong to one or the other.

Here’s something you should be made aware of, Pastor Sanders and my husband suspected all along that what Suresky wrote was full of hooey!

In fact, I have proof. When I called into his program for prayer for Steven Suresky, Pastor Sanders referred to a contrived plot to mislead me. If you want to hear that proof, order an audio tape of the program and listen to it. Send $20 to WRWL, 14781 Sperry Road, Newbury, OH 44065 and request a CD of the program from Wednesday night, May 9, 2012. Mary Yoder and Pat Paridon, who is running for US Congress, were his guests that night. I called in during the final hour of his program and asked for prayer, after 11 PM. Listen carefully to Pastor Sanders’ prayer concerning Steven Suresky. It’s there! Amazing! And so is the discernment sent by the Holy Spirit of God to Pastor Sanders.

I thank God for righteous men, like Pastor Sanders, and I thank Jesus Christ for this ministry that He has given me, that has enabled me to minister to people like you, but most of all I thank God for His Loving me while I was still a sinner. Halleluiah! I once was lost, but now I’m found, was blind, but now I see. I will never stop thanking Him, loving Him, praising Him and serving Him for all my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, has done for me! I owe Jesus Christ everything! He has my life, my will, my everything, my ego included – – – I surrendered it long ago by my own free will. I am not a slave. I am a free woman, freed unto Jesus Christ! The Joy of the Lord is my strength! Amen!

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posted May 11, 2012 at 4:08 pm

Maybe I should attend Iran’s next conference to study the historical accuracy of the Holocaust? Maybe I should spend my time proving that men really did walk on the moon? People of decent moral standing and reason simply do not have the time to refute every lunatic who posts some outrageous comment on the internet. Twice this week I have faced anti-Semitic comments from people who did not know I was Jewish. If you do not think anti-Semitism isn’t a problem in this country then you have a lot to learn. If you do not know or do not accept that this disgusting publication was a complete fabrication of Czarist Russia and do not remove it then you are on the same low level as all of the other racist hate mongers who have ever lived. You are encouraging the the same perpetration of hatred of Jews that resulted in the mass murder of six million Jews in Europe. I have nothing further to say to you.

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posted May 11, 2012 at 3:23 pm

Josh Green,

I am very sorry that you are so deeply offended, so here’s my offer to you. Write an item and post it here as a comment that will utterly and explicitly refute the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion,” alleging that Jews are part of a huge conspiracy that controls the world, since I know nothing about this subject, but you seem to be really into it.

Josh Green, to say one comment is more evil and immoral and contrary to God’s law than abortion, homosexuality and any other Christian value expressed on this Watchwoman on the Wall web site is extremely ignorant of God’s Word.

God uses a word in the Bible to describe sodomy. He calls it an abomination! [Leviticus 20:13 KJV] If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. – – – So, Josh Green, are you saying that the person who left that comment is worse than God’s Judgment of sodomites? Are you saying further, I am worse than a sodomite, a horrible abomination who should be put to death for leaving the comment visible that you take offense to? Please explain.

So should people in Hollywood be put to death for making a movie that you find objectionable? Should radio talk show hosts? Should TV personalities? Should authors of books you find extremely revolting be put to death?

You say my Jewish friends (which I find more than just a bit offensive, since I clearly said that they aren’t just my friends, they are my relatives) would find the comment extremely revolting. Extremely revolting is not as horrible as an abomination, is it? What do you say? Which is worse, an abomination or extremely revolting? I’m confused.

God didn’t call sodomy extremely revolting, He called it an abomination. You say that the comment that offends you is extremely revolting. Please explain yourself.

So should everyone who comments about the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” is an abomination like a sodomite? And anyone who allows those words to be printed anywhere is an abomination? Is the entire Internet an abomination? Because you tell me that information about the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” can be found on the Internet. I’m really confused! You obviously subscribe to the Internet where this extremely revolting verbiage can be found. Should the Internet be shut down if people can find information about the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” and perhaps even be lead into buying into that extremely revolting rhetoric?

Could I find a book about the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” in a library? If I could, then are librarians more evil than all the good work they have ever done in their life, too, like you say I am, for allowing a book about the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” on their shelves? If a librarian allowed a book on their shelves about the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion,” are they an abomination or just extremely revolting? Should offending librarians be put to death?

Does any talk show host on radio discuss the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion?” Should they be banned from the media?

Josh Green, I am sure you are more informed about the holocaust than I am. How many Jewish people were put to death in the Holocaust? 8-10-15-20-30-50 million? I’m not exactly sure, but it was horrible. I know the effects it has had on my dear relative. I’ve seen what it has done to my beloved relative and I’m not about to discuss or mention one of them. She survived the holocaust, but the holocaust has continued to torture her! She was at Auschwitz, that evil, horrible place!

There are words that I cannot even think of to describe the horrors those people were put through there. Everyone of those people who are associated with the killing of all those Jews, Christians and all the others deserve to be put to death!

Everyone of them deserves death, including the Nazi Josef Mengele who has no right to the title doctor! He was no doctor, he was a murder and an evil torturer. He deserved a death sentence! And I’m quite certain that he is burning in hell for all eternity for what he did!

You say that the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” is worse than abortion. I know a lot about abortion. One-hundred million unborn, innocent babies have been murdered, slaughtered in their mother’s wombs since Roe v Wade, 1973, when abortion was legalized in the USA! Millions upon millions more innocent babies died in the bloody abortion mills at the hands of those who have inflicted more pain and suffering than Mengele managed to torture and slaughter in the Nazi Holocaust! An abortionist is no better than Mengele. One form of abortion is to burn the skin off the unborn baby in a chemical solution to cause the baby to exit the womb after it dies an excruciating death after hours upon hours of intense burning with no relief and then the murdered little body putrefies into a poisonous substance that the mother’s human body rejects.

Another form of abortion is to just insert through the vagina into the mother’s womb, scalpels to dismember the innocent baby, slicing off it’s arms, legs, head, whatever the abortionist’s weapon finds first and then to slice through that baby’s skin, flesh and bone of the child, again and again, with no consideration, compassion or human conscience for the pain that is being inflicted upon the innocent, tiny victim. There are pictures of those results the editors of Beliefnet have taken off this blog saying they were too horrible to display. Frankly, I think people should know what abortion really is and how it looks.

There’s a movie called “Silent Scream.” I watched “Schindler’s List” and many movies about WWII and the Nazi’s atrocities. Will you watch “Silent Scream?” You can find “Silent Scream” on line. Google it.

Another form of abortion is referred to as partial birth abortion or DNX. That is where a full-term baby is allowed to be born out through the vaginal opening of the pregnant mother except for the last three-quarters of an inch. The modern-day evil serial killer Mengele/abortionist takes his scissors and punches a hole in the softest part of the neck in the back, digs it out to enlarge a hole big enough in the full-term, ninth-month old living baby’s neck, without any anesthetic, so he can eventually insert a tube to suction out the brains of the poor dying infant!

So are you still going to maintain that speaking or posting a comment about the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” is worse than abortion?

Again, I am truly sorry that you are so deeply offended. You may have every right to be. I truly don’t know anything about the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” but you are invited to educate me. Don’t just give scores of web sites to go to. You express to me what it is and why you object without telling me how horrible I am for not exercising another person’s right to express their opinion. I am well aware of your opinion, so don’t waste your time repeating it unless it gives you some perverse form of pleasure to lash out at me. I’m sure that censorship is not one of the Jewish people’s favorite behaviors so feel free to lash out if you must, if that somehow serves your inner man somehow.

I’ve apologized to you for offending you, but you have yet to apologize to me for offending me. You have made false accusations about me and you have yet to apologize.

You wrote that nothing else I wrote in my response to you makes sense. Were you referring to…
“Fourth, my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was a Jew. I love, adore and have made that Jew the Lord and Master of my Life. St. Paul was a Jew and the basic for the Christian doctrine was established by the Epistles he wrote. St. Paul is honored by every true Christian.”
Please explain what you don’t understand about that text because I cannot comprehend what you think makes no sense in those words. Was not Jesus a Jew? Was not Saul/St. Paul a Jew? Please explain.

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posted May 10, 2012 at 9:29 pm

The people of Germany were Christians. Catholics and Protestants. But they did not oppose Hitler’s monstrous plans. How many thousands of years had the people of Germany been Christians? Read “Hitlers Willing Conspirators” .In Mien Kempf Hitler explains how God is his inspiration. Do you think the peasants of Russia suddenly gave of their Christianity because of Stalin and Lenin? Not all all. It matters not what some fanatical sadistic leader may preach-deeply held beliefs do not disappear overnight. So it was the Christian population of Germany that elected Hitler and supported his barbarity and genocide.They all went to church on Sundays and back to work in the gas chambers on Monday.
You want to ignore the bloodshed, torture and brutality practiced in Jesus’ name for the last two thousand years? Do the Crusades mean anything to you-or were they just small potatoes? Whole villages, towns and cities destroyed and their peoples slaughtered by marauding Christians in the Holy Land. Thousand upon thousands of men, women and children slaughtered because they were not Christians. Does the Spanish Inquisition mean anything to you? How many innocent people were tortured and murdered because of the fanaticism of the Catholic Church? Does it mean anything to you that the slave owners in this country were deeply religious Christians who practiced a cruelty against their black slaves one shudders at the lives of these poor prisoners. What did the men who slaughtered the Native Americans profess to believe in-Jesus Christ of course. You think that somehow if one professes to be a Christian that they will know right from wrong and be more apt to follow the right path. That is not the way 2000 years of history tells the story.
And Donna think of this-you only have one life to live-you wanna waste it living in a cave chasing shadows or do you want to suck up the courage and actually see that reality is a lot more interesting and inspiring then some old folk tales about a sheep herding illiterate family that lived 2500 years ago. We lived in an incredibly ignorant and superstitious existence. I believe in God but not your God not-Sander’s God. I have found God for myself. My God is definitely better then your God.
By the way I did not believe that nonsense from Steven. I think he was putting you on!

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posted May 10, 2012 at 7:45 pm

Harry Polka,

How thoughtful of you to be concerned. I cannot save anyone. My prayers are to ask God to save Steven. I have no idea what God is doing about Steven and within Steven’s mind, working in every cell of his body and mind and every one of his thought processes. Meanwhile just keep praying for every lost soul on planet earth … because … [James 5:16 KJV] Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. Glory be to the Father, to the Son and to the Holy Spirit! Amen!

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posted May 10, 2012 at 7:38 pm

Harry Loft,

First of all, Jesus is not losing to Satan.

You complain about the human race. I agree, many, many men are evil. Harry, you are either part of the problem or part of the solution. The solution is to take in and spread the love of Jesus Christ. If anyone comes preaching another Gospel, that voice is part of the problem.

We are called to be astute! [1 Peter 5:8 KJV] Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

The solution is to take the message that Jesus Christ commanded everyone of His followers to do. That solution is called “The Great Commission.”

Read it:
[Matthew 28:18-20] And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. [19] Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: [20] Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Now we must know what the Gospel is…
[2 Corinthians 11:4 KJV] For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

[Galatians 1:6 KJV] I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

I don’t know where you get the phony notion that Satan is the victor? It certainly can’t be from the Holy King James Bible! Obviously you have never read that Satan is the biggest loser of all time. Not only was he and one-third of the angels who chose to follow him cast out of heaven, one day, all of them and every unrepentant unbeliever will be cast into the Lake of Fire, known as the Second Death.

Next, not one of the despots who murdered millions you refer to were Christian.

Was Christianity the officially recognized religion of Cambodia – think Pol Pot and the Killing Fields? Did Germany have a state religion of any kind? Of course not! Was Lenin, Stalin, Mao officially following Christianity? The foolishness you speak proves your ignorance.

The first thing tyrants do is lock out God and Christianity. They imprison and murder every outspoken voice proclaiming that Jesus Christ is Lord.

Just go to the web site of the Voice of the Martyrs and have your eyes opened for your eyes and ears are closed to the truth. Every 5 minutes in these days a Christian is murdered for their belief in Jesus Christ.

Is Cuba recognized officially as a Christian nation? Is Venezuela? Is the Sudan? Iraq? Iran? Afghanistan? Is Egypt? – the list goes on and on and on proving the falsehood you’ve accepted as truth.

Jesus Christ did not come to bring the kind of peace you’re looking for. You have made the same error as Judas Iscariot, the one who sold Our Beloved Savior Jesus Christ for 30 pieces of silver when Jesus failed to remove all the Romans and set up the Jews in all the high places. You are no better than Judas Iscariot, a traitor to the Lord Jesus Christ, who if you were to allow your heart to receive Him would know Jesus came to make peace between God and man, not between man and man! Jesus Christ came to earth to die as the propitiation for your sins and mine. He did not come to make sure that you never had to be concerned about being mugged or that Osama bin Laden wouldn’t decide to murder thousands on 9-11. You are completely ignorant of the Holy King James Bible and who God the Father is and His Only Begotten Son, Jesus Christ.
He said he did not come to send peace on earth…

[Matthew 10:32-40 KJV] Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. [33 ] But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. [34 ] Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. [35 ] For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. [36 ] And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household. [37 ] He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. [38 ] And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. [39 ] He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it. [40 ] He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Now don’t go off on a tangent, to lose your life is not in the physical sense in self-immolation, but in the spiritual sense. You give up your own self-will and submit it to the Will of God in Heaven. You put God’s Agenda before your own desires. It also doesn’t mean that you hate parents or spouses or children who are supportive of you’re following the Christian way of life, but it means that we cannot say I cannot do this or that, like going to church on Sunday because my husband does not want to go with me. We have to put God above all things and all people and all relationships.

You say you know the Ten Commandments. Then you should know that murder is forbidden in the Bible. Your errors have you locked into false and dangerous beliefs. The evil has come via despotic wicked tyrants who want to take away freedom while you blame the followers of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ said, [John 8:31 KJV] Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; [ 32 ] And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. [ 33] They answered him, We be Abraham’s seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? [34 ] Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. [35] And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. [36] If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

So, you want to see a miracle, aye? You are like the evil scribes and Pharisees who demanded that Jesus work a miracle for their fancy. [Matthew 12:36 KJV] But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. [ 37 ] For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned. [ 38 ] Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. [ 39 ] But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

No man, not you, David Koresh, any of TBN personalities, no one can work a miracle and if they claim to have done so, they have only performed tricks! The only miracle comes from heaven above, not by any man. [James 1:17] Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

Only God the Father, works miracles via the Holy Spirit.

Nor can any man save. No man can save, only Jesus Christ can save, and that is the greatest miracle of all!

Show me where in the Bible does it say that to be a real Christian pastor you must work miracles.

You are so far off base, utterly deluded into crazy dogma, that has clouded your mind to believe such nonsense.

I can tell you this, Pastor Sanders, witnessing on the streets to desperate pregnant mothers about the love of Jesus Christ has saved thousands of mothers from going inside the abortion killing center where their baby would have been torn from her womb without one pinch of pain relievers for the slashed and torn baby. Those innocent unborn babies were saved from horrible deaths. That may not be a miracle by the strictest sense of the interpretation of the dictionary meaning of those words that you’re desiring to have me reiterate for your fanciful pleasures, but ask any child who was saved from being murdered before they were born if they are grateful to the men and women, pastors and pro-lifers, who risked all to save their life.

So how many lives has David Koresh saved? How many is Koresh responsible for dying the most painful, horrific deaths in fires in which they died along with him? How many deaths does David Koresh have chalked up on his slate of deeds accomplished – and every one of them were his devoted followers, except maybe for the children who had no choice.

Pastor Sanders’ house is average size, not that it’s any of your business! He dresses simply and drives an average priced car. But neither is that any of your business and you have a huge ego to ask such a question! Your attitude about someone you have never met is completely bigoted and utterly disgusting!

Here is your second biggest mistake…

You write: “I have my own interpretation of God and the Bible. That is where Steven and I are alike…”

So Steven and you, both alike, are doing that which is right in your own eyes.

That is why you are so deluded that opens your mind to receive the nonsense you are taking in. You believe all the crazy things that Satan is putting into your head about doing anyone horrible harm that would result in their deaths!
It didn’t work for the Israelites either … read… [Judges 17:6 KJV] In those days there was no king in Israel, but every man did that which was right in his own eyes.

Their foolishness of doing what was right in their own eyes is one of the saddest epitaphs in the Bible. It lead them to so much harm and their being lead into slavery.

Steven is sorely mistaken about self-immolation and for you to in the least of ways encourage him by blessing his grievous thoughts then you are grieving the Holy Spirit of God. Our human bodies are created in the image and likeness of God. Our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit of God. Jesus Christ came to give us life and to give it to us more abundantly. (See my comment to Steven yesterday in which I discussed this.)

Then, Harry, if you do harm to the human body, then you are doing what is forbidden by God. The Bible says: [Mark 3:25 KJV] And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.

You cannot oppose the health of your own body, the house/temple cannot stand!

If you knew the Ten Commandments, then why do you preach disobeying the Commandment that says: Thou shalt not kill? Murder is murder is murder. You cannot murder your own body! Suicide is murder!

You are the one who is encouraging Steven to conduct self-immolation. That is a horrible sin and way off the mark of where God would choose to draw the line between sanity and insanity!

As Christ said, [Luke 23:34 KJV] Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
You need to be forgiven!
But that cannot happen until you get saved and born again.

Here’s what you can do if you were to actually want to find a better way of life than ranting on a blog…

“Inspirational. Do you know for sure?” posted on Tuesday July 26, 2011 located at

Harry Loft, no one says you have to do it. I don’t. I can’t force you. I can’t make you. I cannot do anything, but the power of God can send the Holy Spirit to woo you into accepting His Love for you.

Harry Loft ,you have a God problem and if you want to resolve it, then try reading. It is entirely up to you. No one is forcing you. No one is twisting your arm.
“Inspirational. Do you know for sure?” posted on Tuesday July 26, 2011 located at

Harry Loft, in the Name of Jesus Christ, I pray that you receive the gift of peace from God, the gift of the forgiveness of your sins, the free gift of salvation through Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior. Amen.

It is your decision, Harry Loft. Do whatever you like. But think on this, your decision will not only effect the rest of this life, but your life for all eternity.

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Josh Green

posted May 10, 2012 at 6:46 pm

That comment that you are allowing to be published is more evil immoral and contrary to God’s law then abortion, homosexuality and any other Christian value that you might express.

It is not a question of refuting Madoff. You have some maniac alleging that Jews are part of a huge conspiracy that controls the world.
The “Protocals of the Elders of Zion” is wiidely distributed in the Middle East. Look up “MEMRI” Why would you allow a sick anit-Semite to express his sick, hate filled views on your blog??

I repeat: There is enough hatred in that one blog post to wipe out a whole life time of trying to do God’s Work.

If you do not understand that then I suggest you show what you are allowing to be published to your Jewish friends, I would be shocked if they did not find it extremely revolting.

The rest of you post makes no senses at all. How can you say you love Israel yet allow a voice of horrific anti-Semitism to be posted on your blog?

If you do not remove it, because you don’t see it as virulent Antisemitism then it is clear that you are either ignorant, insensitive or possibly unconscionably an anti-Semite.
With friends like you who needs enemies!

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Donna Calvin

posted May 10, 2012 at 5:01 pm

Josh Green,

You stated your views about Madoff, so the rebuttal is here for all to read. Your words should negate every word written by another reader. Is not your word as valuable as that persons?

Regarding my being anti-Semitic, that I am not!

First, I am a Christian who supports Israel, our only true ally in the middle east.

Second The Holy King James Bible says we should support Israel:
[Genesis 27:29 KJV] Let people serve thee, and nations bow down to thee: be lord over thy brethren, and let thy mother’s sons bow down to thee: cursed be every one that curseth thee, and blessed be he that blesseth thee.

Thirdly, I’ll be spending Mother’s Day with two of my Jewish relatives, one of whom is a Jewish Holocaust survivor, so you can apologize to me immediately for your false accusation! I am deeply offended!

Fourth, my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was a Jew. I love, adore and have made that Jew the Lord and Master of my Life.

St. Paul was a Jew and the basic for the Christian doctrine was established by the Epistles he wrote. St. Paul is honored by every true Christian.

More people were murdered and brutalized by every godless tyrant than have ever perished in the pursuit of serving God. Come on, Josh Green, one piece of obscure writing in a comment on a blog, along with your rebuttal, will not wipe out a whole life time of trying to do God’s Work. You might just relax and cut down on the hyperbole! That is not sane thinking! It makes you sound irrational.

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Josh Green

posted May 10, 2012 at 12:40 pm

Donna: Why are you allowing horrible anti-Semitic slander to be published on your blog? Do you agree with the viewer’s position supporting the Protocols of the Elders of Zion? A blatantly false and despicable work of Jew hatred? I hope not, You did not, however, even post a disclaimer to the writer’s views.! He said:

“and guess what ethnic group Madoff belonged to? That’s right. It was all set out in a little book that was published 100 years ago. But of course you can’t publish this Donna because of the powers lording over all us.”

You don’t think is the ranting of a hate filled anti-Semite? Why would you allow your blog to be a tool to diseminate one of the most horrific lies directed at a persecuted people? What do you you believe? Really? There is enough hatred in that one blog post to wipe out a whole life time of trying to do God’s Work.

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Harry Polka

posted May 10, 2012 at 12:30 pm

What happened to Steven? Did your prayers save him?
God Bless You Dpnna

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Harry Loft

posted May 9, 2012 at 10:55 pm

I understand where Steven is coming from- Jesus is losing the epic battle with Satan. 2000 years after His coming to bring peace to the world and all we can see is that we are closer then ever to the total destruction of humanity and all of the wonders of the natural world. Thousands of nuclear warheads just a button away from killing hundreds of millions. Buttons that are under the control of humans who hate and despise other humans because of their race, religion or politics. Look at the 20th century-2000 thousand years after Jesus. 100 million dead in wars started by countries where Christianity is the officially recognized religion. The deadliest century ever! How did Christians go so wrong? How have Christian been so ungodly? Why does one Christian group call another Cristian group phonies and non-Christians? So David Koresh and his followers are a cult of death and Christianity is not? I think Steven knows that Jesus needs help to win his war against Satan. Steven wants to help by offering what means the most to him-just like Jesus. Who are you or anyone else to tell Steven what is right in Christianity. All the preachers and so called prophets during the past 2000 years could not have done a more wicked job of trying to tell believers what to believe. Your prayers Donna sound just like the prayers I hear on TBN. You say Pastor Ernie Sandors is not a money grubbing phony like those folks on TBN. Well, how big is Pastor Sandors’ house that he lives in? How much in discretionary funds is he allowed to spend on himself from church donations? Pastor Sandors is an important man–why he preaches to a million at a time!!! Must be that he has an awful lot of important people who want to meet him and get his support. Does Pastor Sandors have an ego the size of a water melon? Why do you think he is different then all of the other phony preachers we have been unblessed with? If he is truly blessed with the spirit of God name one actual and verifiable miracle that he has brought about. Just one!
I have my own interpretation of God and the Bible.That is where Steven and I are alike. Like Steven, I am not going to let anyone-not a single human being that ever walked the earth tell me that they know something about God that I don’t.I know the the ten commandments. I want what God wants for us. Do onto others as you would have them do unto you. Simple. David Koresh followed his own beliefs-he could be right-he could be wrong-but based upon the sorry state of affairs that the so-called religious authorities have cursed God’s creation with over the past 2000 years-I don’t think that people like you and Pastor Sandors, who I might add surely do an awful lot to spread the hate,against Christians, gays,Jews, Muslims, women etc. etc.,etc, who live in a glass house should be throwing stones at David Koresh and Steven.
Who knows maybe Steven is right. He couldn’t do any worse then Christians have done in in last 2000 years. I hope that Steven does not take his life. I hope he finds a better way to bring peace to the world and to end the hatred that seems to grow like a fungus on humanity each and every day. On the radio,on the television, all over the Internet-everybody wants to tell everyone else how to follow God-I for one am not going to listen to their nonsense-not while hate seems to be the real message regardless of how many tmes you might say you love the Lord.
God bless you Steven!

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Donna Calvin

posted May 9, 2012 at 7:11 pm


Before anything else, let me explain. This took me a long time to write and that’s why you haven’t seen your comment or my reply to you, but here is your comment and my reply posted at last . . .

First of all, your other posts were removed from public viewing because you were making serious threats about harming yourself, inflicting great injury to your own body. My boss showed your posts to her supervisor and that Beliefnet supervisor said the thread had to be removed because it was far too disturbing. I left my replies to your posts visible to the public so you would know that I had read them, that I cared about you, and that I did not want you to harm yourself, especially in the horrible fashion you described.

I do, indeed, care about you. In fact, last night on the radio, Pastor Ernie Sanders, at my request following a brief description of your plight, prayed for you. He has about one to six million listeners a night so a lot of people have prayed for you, Steven. May those prayers be effective because the prayers of a righteous man availeth much. [James 5:16 KJV] Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

I am confident that Beliefnet will allow this post of your’s to remain posted publicly and my reply to you because you aren’t threatening yourself with grievous, insane, harmful ideas and plans that have been imbued into your mind by the cult master, David Koresh.

Regarding the TBN types – I do not think that anyone of those big-haired, prosperity preachers on TV, including Joel Osteen, Rick Warren, and others with the mega churches of entertainment are Christians. Most of those prosperity preachers who are of the “name it and claim it” variety of the yarn of “give me your money and you’ll get rich quick” are anymore Christian than George Soros is!

While ministers are to be given their due like the Bible says, my Pastor does not take a salary for any of his work; including doing two radio programs a day, standing out in front of abortion killing centers to do street ministering and rescuing those who are about to be slaughtered and drawn to death. [Proverbs 24:11 KJV] If thou forbear to deliver them that are drawn unto death, and those that are ready to be slain;

Nor does he take a salary for preaching every Sunday, teaching in the Kings School of the Bible, or ministering to the men in prison on death row, plus all the other activities that go along with being a minister of God and a pastor. [1 Timothy 5:17 KJV] Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine. [ 18] For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.

“Donna, so far God has not asked you to do anything that might disrupt your life or cause you ridicule-but He may! And you have to have faith that it is God who calls!”

Steven, God would never ask me to harm my body because it is the Temple of the Holy Spirit. Now if the Holy Spirit lives in me and in every believer, then it makes sense that Satan, not God, would be the one urging you to destroy it. Read this [1 Corinthians 3:17 KJV] If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. And [1 Corinthians 6:19 KJV] What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

Only Satan and his cohorts ask us to do harm to our bodies. Satan hates human beings because we are created in God’s Image. That is why Satan loves abortion. He wants to destroy all babies even before they are born because all humans are created in the Image and Likeness of God. [Genesis 1:26 KJV] And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Steven, I have been called to this ministry and I’ve been serving God in a pro-life conservative roll for over 20 years. I have been called many horrible names that are unprintable in this venue or for public consumption anywhere. Some of these insults have come from misguided hateful subscribers to Beliefnet who left the most vial comments for me to read about myself. The sodomites and liberal Democrats hate me. I have received death threats!

Alas, I rejoice in being laughed at, scorned, rebuked, because Jesus said his true followers would be hated because they hated him first. [John 7:7 KJV] The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.

What I do is all for the cause of Jesus Christ and the furtherance of His Gospel (see the disclaimer I had to place on every post I make on Beliefnet because there are some here who have not a clue of what Christianity is really about) but in no ways have I been scorned like St. Paul or so many of the followers of Jesus Christ from Biblical times to today; for example, in Muslim countries, or Red China, or in Russia, or in North Korea, just to name a few countries. We are fortunate to still enjoy considerable protection covered by the 1st Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, thanks to the God-given wisdom bestowed upon the Founding Fathers by the Holy Spirit of God, so that we are still free to speak, practice our religion and exercise our faith in Jesus Christ. I thank God, for His Mercy and Blessings! I love America!


[Matthew 28:18-20 KJV] And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. [ 19 ] Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: [ 20 ] Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

However, in direct disagreement with you, Steven, David Koresh was not a Christian.

How do I know?

Because he advocated what Satan advocates – the death of men, women and children, which is never what God, our Father, asks any man to do. Jesus already did that work and we are NOT to try to outdo or redo what Jesus Christ has already accomplished.

Koresh headed up a cult that was and is still harmful to the cause of Jesus Christ. He was like leaven to Christianity! Read: [1 Corinthians 5:6 KJV] Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? And [Galatians 5:9 KJV] A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

David Koresh was a cult leader like Jim Jones the founder and leader of the Peoples Temple, which is best known for the November 18, 1978, mass suicide of 909 Temple members in Jonestown, Guyana, along with the killings of five other innocent people at a nearby airstrip who came to see about the welfare of his followers. Over 200 children were murdered at Jonestown that day.

Koresh resembles another cult leader of Heaven’s Gate that was an American UFO religion based in San Diego, California, founded and led by Marshall Applewhite (Born 1931– Died by suicide in 1997) and Bonnie Nettles (1928–1985).On March 26, 1997, police discovered the bodies of 39 members of the group who had committed suicide in order to reach an alien space craft which they believed was following the Comet Hale-Bopp, which was at its brightest. Applewhite who had all his followers cover up with purple shrouds with $5 in their pockets and committed suicide. See my recent post:

Heaven’s Gate Mass Suicide Website Still Active

You and a fellow named Phil, who left a comment today, are talking about an electric chair being comparable to the Cross of Calvary upon which Jesus Christ, suffered and died by his own will. He was crucified, but He did not die from the Crucifixion. He died because He surrendered His Spirit to God when His Work on planet earth was completed – to die for the sins of those who believe in Him. [John 19:30 KJV] When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost. [Luke 23:46 KJV] And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

Jesus was not killed by any man’s doing who put the scourging to His back, the crown of thorns on His Head, or the nails in His arms and feet. Oh, my dear misled friends, the cross of Jesus Christ is not an electric chair to bring about death, but the Cross of Jesus Christ was to give life to us humans, everlasting life, and to give us life here on planet earth free from the anxiety of worrying about anything. Jesus came to give us life and to give us life more abundantly! [John 10:10 KJV] The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Not like the prosperity preachers claim, but to enjoy the peace that passes all understanding, the peace of God, to settle our debt to God the Father. Jesus paid our debt in full. [Philippians 4:7 KJV] And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

It is as if you had a mortgage on your home and Jesus paid it off. You’d be debt free. In Christ we are debt free! Amen and halleluiah! The wages of sin are death, but we do not die – not ever because Jesus died once for all and His perfect blood was sufficient to cover every sin ever committed by every human ever born and to be born! [Romans 6:23 KJV] For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen and halleluiah! That is the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ – but you have to accept that Gospel to be saved by grace and grace alone.

Koresh can’t save.

Steven, you can’t save anyone either.

Only the shed blood of Jesus Christ can save!

Read this:
[Galatians 6:14 KJV] But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

If St. Paul can glory in the Cross of Jesus Christ, then why can’t you and me without having to die upon the cross. Jesus died so you and I would not have to! Christ is our propitiation for our sins! [Romans 3:25 KJV] Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Steven, you are grossly mislead, although I believe that you desire to serve righteously. Nevertheless, you have been following a very mislead teacher who applauded suicide. Suicide is a horrible sin! People who commit suicide commit murder and this is what the Bible says about murderers! Read this: [1 Corinthians 6:7 KJV] Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded? [ 8] Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren. [ 9] Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, [10 ] Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Read this: [Revelation 21:7 KJV] He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. [ 8] But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Steven, that second death is going to hell for all eternity! It is not about burning a human’s body on planet earth.

Committing suicide – what could be more abusive to one’s own body? And look at all the harm that comes to those you leave behind! We are not allowed by God’s Law to murder anyone, including ourselves!

God is love and He does not want anyone to die by suicide or at the hands of a godless cult leader like David Koresh.

Read this: [1 John 4:8 KJV] He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

Read this: [1 John 4:16 KJV] And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

May God remove all these strange things you have been taught, may they be removed from your mind and may God free you to receive the REAL truth and LOVE of Jesus Christ. In the name of Jesus Christ, I pray for you. Be freed, in the Name of Jesus Christ from all these horrible cult teachings. Amen.

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posted May 9, 2012 at 1:00 pm


Steven Sirusky’s (you’ve misspelled his last name, but that’s OK) posts were too disturbing; therefore, the Beleifnet staff (a supervisor) said to my “boss” to remove the thread. I left my responses to Steven (which were not so descriptive of acts Steve intended to do to his own body) visible so Steven wouldn’t think I abandoned him and do something profoundly harmful to himself as he was threatening. Steven’s posts were so disturbing I pleaded with him to contact authorities in his town so he could get help. I still pray he does. Steve sounds like he desires to be a good person who is very misled. May God lead him in all truth and righteousness. I pray for Steve and for you Phil, in the Name of Jesus Christ, Our Lord and Savior, to be freed of all cultist teachings and to be grounded in the Gospel and Good News of Jesus Christ. Amen.

[1 Corinthians 6:19 KJV] What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

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Phil Summit

posted May 9, 2012 at 12:29 am

What happened to Steve Sirusky’s posts? did you remove them Donna. Why? I too believe that wearing a cross that was used for the purpose of torture and murder is like wearing an electric chair as a religous symbol. Why is it different?

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posted May 8, 2012 at 9:02 pm

Donna I am so sorry that I did not make myself clear. I do read the Bible, and it is the American King James Bible! I can’t quote it the way you do. But I have read it and studied it over and over again. Some people just have the talent of remembering and quoting everything they read in the Bible. Now I know for sure that just because someone can quote the Bible doesn’t mean that they are a Christian. Look at the preachers from TBN who just got caught cruising around the world in their 39 million dollar jet! Boy, I am sure Jesus would have loved to take a ride on that jet dressed in his dirty sandles and rags. I wonder if they would have offered him caviar and champagne while going to save some poor Africans from starvation!
Yes, Donna I read and know and love the King James Bible.
How can you say the David Koresh was a cult of death? If his was a cult of death then you might as well say that Christianity is a cult of death. Don’t most Christians carry around a copy of the cross-a wooden instrument of torture and death that the Romans used to kill Jesus? If he had been electrocuted would we carry a small copy of an electric chair on chains around our neck? Don’t we Christians worship Christ’s death? Don’t we say that without Jesus’ torture and murder by the Romans that Jesus’ life would be meaningless to us? Is that not a culture of death? Don’t we Christians say that only when Jesus returns and billions and billions of people have been liquidated and killed by God will the holy ones return to paradise on earth? Is believing that true life,true spirituality can only be known once we are dead a part of a cult of death? If that is the way you want believe so negatively about someone who gave his life for Jesus then all I can say is that I will pray for you to understand David and his love of Jesus and the sacrifice he made for you and for humanity. No-Christianity can be easily misunderstood to be a cult of death just like David Koresh and his followers can be misunderstood to be a cult of death.
Donna, please understand that I love you, as I love all of humanity-with all of my heart and soul. I love Jesus and the Holy Father and will follow what he has told me I must do. Only with faith can one know the true meaning of life.The cult of death spread about David Koresh is just the main stream media dishing out its biased liberal attack against another group of God fearing Christians. These were people of great faith. You of all people should know better!
Donna, so far God has not asked you to do anything that might disrupt your life or cause you ridicule-but He may! And you have to have faith that it is God who calls!
God bless you!

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posted May 8, 2012 at 8:11 pm

Steven, the fact that you write that you follow David Koresh and have never read the Bible tells me that you are caught up in a death cult. You cannot know Jesus Christ because Jesus Christ was the WORD. Jesus Christ is revealed in the WORD OF GOD, THE HOLY KING JAMES BIBLE. If you do not read the King James Bible, you will be lost. You don’t know what is right from wrong, because it is in the Bible where you learn right from wrong. Your faith is not in Jesus Christ, it is in a man, David Koresh. May God save your soul and lead you into truth and righteousness by the Word of God, the Holy King James Bible. In the name of Jesus Christ, I pray for you, Steven, because you are in serious, serious jeopardy! You are not being lead by a man of God but by the worst kind of leader, a cult leader! May God remove you from the cult before it takes your mind completely away from you. In Jesus Christ’s Name, I pray. Amen.

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posted May 8, 2012 at 6:38 pm

Steven, you cannot try to be Jesus Christ. He was sinless and perfect and you are not. Jesus Christ already died to be the propitiation of our sins! You are not doing the right thing trying to do what ONLY Jesus Christ has done. You are negating His Sacrifice. What you’re saying you’re going to do is blasphemy!

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Donna Calvin

posted May 7, 2012 at 8:44 pm

Steven, please promise me that you will never do any harm to yourself or your body. Please call for help right now from the Suicide Prevention Center in your town. If you can’t find that number, call the police or the emergency room at your nearest hospital and tell them how you feel. You are really scaring me. Lord, God, attend to Steven’s needs. Keep him healthy and alive on planet earth in good health. Remove all thoughts he might have planning any thing that goes against Your Commandments. Teach him that he must protect life and the human body, including his own, which is the Temple of the Holy Spirit, and get him help immediately for his spiritual state and misconceptions about You, O Lord! In Jesus Christ’s name, I pray. Amen.

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Peter Rankin

posted May 7, 2012 at 8:14 pm

Steven Birn Speaks Grand Rapids Attorney
In God We Trust

Earth Worshippers A Cancer On Mankind
APRIL 23, 2012 19 COMMENTS
“Yesterday was Earth worship day. The Birn’s celebrated by burning two charcoal chimney’s and grilling animals.
Earth worship confronted us all last week as NBC went “green” throughout the NHL playoffs. It’s interesting that NBC never mentions Christian holidays, only pagan Earth worship gets a weeks worth of coverage. It is of course absurd to worship the creation over the Creator as any Christian will tell you. The origins of modern Earth worship however are much worse than that. They are rooted in a hatred of man kind. The left-wing Club of Rome has declared that Earth has cancer and the cancer is man.
This cancer of course must be destroyed according to Earth worshippers. As such the far left has sought to destroy mankind by making it more difficult for him to survive. It’s no secret that DDT wiped out malaria in South America, Asia and Africa. It saved half a billion lives by the 70′s. Then came Rachel Carson’s “Silent Spring” which falsely alleged DDT was killing birds. The newly Nixon created EPA banned DDT and the left tied American foreign aid to the ban of DDT. In short, if African nations wanted to receive American aid that had to eliminate DDT. Malaria has been on the rise ever since, killing an estimated 100 million Africans and millions of others. All in the name of mother Earth.
The racist eugenics crowd (think Margaret Sanger and Planned Parenthood) come together with the Earth worshippers when it comes to abortion and forced contraception. Not content just getting rid of as many “inferior” black and Asian babies as possible, the Earth worshipping left always uses abortion to further their anti-man agenda. Once again, US foreign aid is tied to population control programs which include forced sterilizations in many countries and abortions. While under GOP President’s the Federal government doesn’t directly fund abortions, it still encourages them via population control requirements tied to foreign aid.
We could look at energy and how much the left hates cheap energy. Less than a decade ago the left pushed hard for natural gas via shale rock deposits in New York, Pennsylvania and elsewhere. Natural gas represented a safe way for the left to “support” energy as at the time extracting gas from shale rocks was expensive and thus was unlikely to amount to anything. Then it became cheap and easy to extract natural gas from shale rocks and the price of natural gas dropped dramatically. The result? The left turned on natural gas and now claims that mining shale is an environmental disaster. Anything that aids mankind the Earth worshipping left opposes.
Religion is banned at the government schools, teachers all over the country remove the word God from song lyrics, books etc. But children are being taught a religion at the government schools, they’re being taught to worship the Earth. Millions of school children spent the last week learning greatly exaggerated stories of environmental disaster. When I was in 5th grade in 1989 we were told the Amazon rainforest was being cut down at the size of England every year. It was an outright lie but who in 5th grade would question what a teacher tells them? Radical environmentalist propaganda is being fed to children in government schools that otherwise ban religion.
Mankind has a disease and that disease is liberal Earth worship. Earth worshipping environmentalists are responsible for the deaths of more humans than Hitler, Stalin and Mao combined via their DDT ban. They’ve caused countless more deaths as well as human rights abuses by forcing population control on third world nations. Here in the US when they aren’t teaching children to worship Earth in school, they’re turning on any energy that becomes cheap and increases our quality of life. Christians must be particularly mindful of what the Earth worshippers are up to. It’s one thing to be a good steward, it’s another thing to worship and center our lives around the creation over the Creator.”

And Now a More Rational View: from an historical figure
From the Diary of Ann Frank: 1944 – On a bright sunny day while living in the attic.
“As long as this exists, I thought, and I may live to see it, the sunshine, the cloudless skies. While this lasts I cannot be unhappy. The best remedy for those who are afraid, lonely or unhappy is to go outside, somewhere where they can be quite alone with the heavens, nature and God. Because only then does one feel that all is as it should be and that God wishes us to be happy amidst the simple beauty of nature. As long as this exists and I am certain that it always will, I know that then there will always be comfort for every sorrow, for whatever the circumstances may be, and I firmly believe that nature brings solace in all troubles.”
Such wisdom from the mind of a fourteen year-old teenager. Imagine if she had lived!
Written by Ann Frank while madmen filled with ideological fanaticism, fueled by hatred, ruled Europe.
The following are the words of a present day madman:
“It is of course absurd to worship the creation over the Creator as any Christian will tell you. The origins of modern Earth worship however are much worse than that. They are rooted in a HATRED of mankind. The left-wing Club of Rome has declared that Earth has cancer and the cancer is man.” That man, of course is the above, Steven Birn.

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Donna Calvin

posted May 7, 2012 at 4:41 pm

Dear Steven,

I can tell from your two comments at this post, you are seriously troubled and you need the advice that comes from the Highest Source of Wisdom and Righteousness, that is from God Almighty via His Holy Spirit.

Steven, I am not a prophet or “Dear Abby.” I am just a humble woman who loves the Lord Jesus Christ with all my heart and soul who, like the LORD, I am not willing that any should perish, but have everlasting life. I want every person I meet to receive the Lord Jesus Christ as their Personal Savior!

Therefore, I would never tell or even make the slightest suggestion to anyone in your position about what you should do. Only you can make that decision about giving your kidney to a 28-year old mother of two who desperately needs it to survive.

You should be evaluating the good you could do for that woman and her family against the sacrifice you’re making and the moral code by which you live your life. You must decide what your moral position is about organ transplants.

Frankly, in spite of what every one has already concluded about my position on the topic, my mind is not decided against organ transplanting. The article I posted merely says to know what you’re doing. I do not favor one position over the other or forbid either position.

I know what Jesus Christ told his disciples:

[John 15:12-13 KJV] This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. [ 13 ] Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

The King James Bible advises us in trying circumstances to consult with many advisors. I urge you to do that and apparently, since time is of the essence, you should do that quickly.

Read . . .

[Proverbs 15:22 KJV] Without counsel purposes are disappointed: but in the multitude of counsellors they are established.

[Proverbs 24:6 KJV] For by wise counsel thou shalt make thy war: and in multitude of counsellors there is safety.

Therefore, you should be talking with your pastor if he is a true born-again, Holy Spirit filled man, consulting the Holy Scriptures for guidance – of which, of course, I urge ONLY the King James or Geneva Bible, talking earnestly and openly to the doctors in charge, consulting with your family members who dearly love you, asking church members to pray for you to arrive at the decision God would want you to make, and praying for God to send His Holy Spirit to move you in the right direction – and for God, by the blood of Jesus Christ, to remove all unsettling thoughts from your mind.

Here’s another thing that I would do if I were in your position. I would talk to Pastor Ernie Sanders, a man of God, who is pro-life and sold out to Jesus Christ in every aspect of his life. I attend his church. I am witness to the wisdom he has preached for years, without compromising. He is on the radio from 10 PM to 12 midnight Eastern Time Zone, Monday through Friday and he makes time for callers to call into his program almost every night. He knows the scriptures very well. You can call him LIVE on the air. You can listen To “What’s Right, What’s Left” with Pastor Ernie Sanders, “The Voice of the Christian Resistance” …. over 1220 AM Radio in the greater Cleveland, Ohio, listening area, or, on the Internet at (when not preempted)
Call into The Radio Program, Nationwide . . .
or in the Greater Cleveland Listening area, Locally . . .
Ask Pastor Sanders what he thinks and what the Bible has to say.

You could also call the Church Phone
or the Right To Life Office
and leave a message if no one is there to take your call, but your best chance to talk to him directly is on the radio.

Immediately, pray for God to cover your mind and your body completely in the precious blood of Jesus Christ that He shed over 2,000 years ago on Calvary where He died on a cross to protect His Saints (born-again believers, true Christians) from every evil pursuit of Satan. Satan is NOT and never has been more powerful than God. Satan can only control that which is allowed for him to be controlled by God. Satan cannot control your mind if you ask God to remove all evil thoughts that may be coming from Satan. Ask God, through Jesus Christ, to protect you from every thought and suggestion that maybe coming from that evil one, Satan, and to open up your mind to receive only the sinless thoughts of God’s Holy Righteousness. Pray that God remove all evil and unkind thoughts from your mind. First and foremost, you need to seek prayer to be released from believing that Satan is controlling your mind and for that I would consult with a group of true born-again believers to pray for you in a group setting. Satan has much less control of bona fide Christians than the natural man. First and foremost, be absolutely certain that you are a REAL Christian, having been born again by Jesus Christ. (See John 3:3). Be absolutely certain that you are filled with the Holy Spirit of God!

THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT: Because you need to make certain that you are indeed a Christian, I strongly urge you to read . . .

“Inspirational. Do you know for sure?” posted on Tuesday July 26, 2011 located at

Begin by confessing every sin you can think of. Obviously, you can’t think of all of them, and God knows them already anyway. However, it is important for you to be in the frame of mind to be willing to have your sins exposed to God’s Eyes, not hiding any of them like Adam and Eve did in the Garden. It is a heart condition and a mindset. Open yourself up to receiving God within you. Seek the innocent and pure blood of Jesus Christ to be the propitiation for all your sins – all of them – every one you’ve committed during all your years of life on planet earth and for all that you ever will commit in the future, until that day we all have set aside for us to go home to be with the LORD forever and ever! It is more about your mindset, not your ability to enable your recalling every sin from the debts of your memory or lack of to recall that is involved in making that first-time, life-time confession. Just ask God to help you recall the sins you’ve committed in your life and listen. Although they may not all come to mind today, as they do, ask God to forgive you by the blood of Jesus Christ for each and every one of them. Then for the rest of your life, at the end of the day, ask God to bring to mind the times that day you may have sinned and missed the target, the center of God’s Will for your life, and ask for forgiveness. When you remember those times, ask Jesus Christ to intervene for you and to cover your sins so God cannot see them, so that your sins may be cast away from you and covered by the pure, innocent blood of Jesus Christ.

Read . . .
[Psalms 103:12 KJV] As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

Make certain to ask Jesus Christ to save you from all your sins, confessing that Jesus Christ is the LORD of your life and the MASTER of every decision, from the huge ones like donating a kidney to the smallest item in your life. Put Jesus Christ in charge of this life-transforming decision you have to make about the donation of your kidney, but don’t neglect to put Jesus Christ in charge of every aspect of your life down to the seemingly inconsequential and most miniscule.

Make a decision to serve God for the rest of your life to the best of your ability and to allow Jesus Christ to be the MASTER of your will. Be like Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane when He said, “Not my will be done, but Thine Will, O God, be done.” (paraphrased) Give the Lord God all of your all, and fear Him, not like fear of evildoers who would harm you, but with the respect due to following His Will as your Creator and the KING of kings and LORD of lords! He is Almighty and we humans owe Him EVERYTHING!

[Psalms 34:7-14 KJV] The angel of the LORD encampeth round about them that fear him, and delivereth them. [ 8 ] O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him. [ 9 ] O fear the LORD, ye his saints: for there is no want to them that fear him. [ 10 ] The young lions do lack, and suffer hunger: but they that seek the LORD shall not want any good thing. [ 11 ] Come, ye children, hearken unto me: I will teach you the fear of the LORD. [ 12 ] What man is he that desireth life, and loveth many days, that he may see good? [ 13 ] Keep thy tongue from evil, and thy lips from speaking guile. [ 14 ] Depart from evil, and do good; seek peace, and pursue it. [ 15 ] The eyes of the LORD are upon the righteous, and his ears are open unto their cry.

Lord God, our Father in heaven…I pray for Steven to be wooed by Your Holy Spirit, to send Steven Your Holy Spirit right now to begin to woo him into correct thinking and even mindedness with a hunger for righteousness to control his life, that he hungers and thirsts for righteousness like a deer (hart) pants for water …

[Psalms 42:1b KJV] … As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God.

In Jesus Name, I urgently pray for Steven’s mind to be settled and may he make the right decision for all involved according to the commandments of the Holy Scripture and Your Will for him and all mankind. In Jesus Name, I pray, Amen.

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posted May 5, 2012 at 1:49 am

You are right. The NY Times had nothing but good things to say about Bernie Madoff. The same can be said about that communist run PBS network who also had Madoff do presentations about making money.
The only news I know of, and I saw it myself, was Fox that was reporting on Madoff’s shenanigans two years before anyone else. Why is that? Because a certain group controls the NY Times-and most other media and which I cannot say-and guess what ethnic group Madoff belonged to? That’s right. It was all set out in a little book that was published 100 years ago. But of course you can’t publish this Donna because of the powers lording over all us. I just want to say there are very few Christians who have the foresight, courage and pure love of Christ that you have. You are a miracle.
Yes, I am absolutely. against transplants. it is the work of the devil!
God bless you Donna!

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Pastor Trebble

posted May 4, 2012 at 7:47 am

Organ donation is evil. Our bodies belong to God. No man shall render the body God has created. God’s plan is death for one and all when the time has come. Accept death and Jesus will greet you in paradise. Any person engaged in organ donation is ruled by the evil Satan. Organ donation is as evil as abortion!

God bless you Donna!

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Ginger Insipid

posted May 2, 2012 at 12:17 pm

Well that’s it. I am never going to donate my organs. If God wanted us to be part of a human body junkyard it would have said so in the Bible.
God bless you Donna and your good work.

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posted April 27, 2012 at 6:07 pm

I’m VERY happy/glad that Dr. wasn’t my Dr., when I had an accident back in 1993, otherwise I wouldn’t be writinig/sending this! I was in a coma 6 days, but I’m still ALIVE!!!

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adrienne vaughn

posted April 19, 2012 at 6:34 pm

i’m making this plain & simple; i will not be a donor unless it is my own family. call me selfish, i say hell yes, it is my decision to give my organs to my family. too many medical mistakes have been made & this story magnifies ones fear of the truth. more test needs involved & for a doctor to go on just reflexes need to be the next donor. i’m certain he would re think on his sarcastic remarks. after all; it is about the money isn’t it? that is the society we live in today.

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Lucile Barker

posted April 19, 2012 at 2:40 pm

This is the recommended Canadian criteria. The article above is nonsense.

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posted April 19, 2012 at 11:06 am

I have read something about the subject of brain death before and it has raised a lot of questions for me. Our daughter was declared brain dead after an accident in 1993 and many of her organs were donated. Although it has given me some measure of peace knowing that she helped to improve the lives of others, I would be horrified if I knew that she could have recovered or that she was caused more pain when her organs were harvested!

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posted April 19, 2012 at 9:32 am

It really goes deeper than this. I worked as as nurse in a well know hospital where they really don’t do all that can be done to save a donors life and the author whom wrote this is on the money they don’t inform the families of anything. I don’t beleive GOD intended for his children to be recycled we are just all passing through for a short season and once we are gone we should just let it be.

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posted April 19, 2012 at 8:46 am

Wow…all this to be a giver and get a couple dollars discount off of your driving license. I really got to read up on more about donating organs. It just seems like the right thing to do. I heard the family have to pay for the organs to be removed from their family member…is that true?

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Donna Calvin

posted April 3, 2012 at 4:45 pm

I checked out Alfred Knight MD’s web site.
Looks very interesting.

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Alfred Knight MD

posted April 3, 2012 at 3:21 pm

I prefer to protect my family from having to make medical decisions at the end of life. See my observations.
Web site:

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Donna Calvin

posted March 31, 2012 at 9:19 pm

Mary, WSJ didn’t make the medical judgments, they simply reported about the findings of the experts. Do you believe everything you read in the NY Times? No, of course, not. I believe almost nothing that the NY Times reports and if you and I were to search the archives, 100 to 1 we’d find they reported on Bernie Madoff’s successes. So did a lot of Democrats. Do you believe Dems?

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posted March 29, 2012 at 6:04 pm

dcalvin, the wall street journal is not qualified to make medical judgements. WSJ reported on the successes of Bernie Madoff. So, sorry, WSJ is never my goto source for anything but closing listings.

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Donna Calvin

posted March 29, 2012 at 3:38 pm

Mary, First of all, I want to say, I am very sorry for the loss of your son. I am sure you are a noble woman with the best of intentions. However having said that, Mary, this article first appeared in the Wall Street Journal. Most people respect that publication, so I cannot comprehend why you should pre-qualify your comment questioning the integrity of this web site?

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posted March 28, 2012 at 10:10 pm

This article is so loaded with misinformation I am surprised it should end up on such a well respected website. Declaration of brain death involves several steps with a variety of tests and they are much more formal than splashing water in the ears (a test for vertigo and neurological deficits). And since hyperthermia can mask life signs, a body must be warm to be dead.

Organ donation can save lives. If the organs aren’t acceptable for transplant there is still use for medical training. And if there is too much damage for medical training, forensic training programs might be able to use remains.

My son’s cadaver was an anatomical donation to the medical training program at the Cleveland Clinic. Our family was treated with respect and we were given the option of receiving his cremated remains or having them interred in a mausoleum just for those who contributed to medical science.

When I die, I hope to do the same. Illnesses throughout my life have made most of my organs unacceptable for transplant. I hope to make a difference despite that.

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Donna Calvin

posted March 23, 2012 at 5:29 pm

nurse helen itzsche: I’ve considered your comment and thanks for leaving it; however, this item was printed in The Wall Street Journal. That is not a crackpot, little-green-men-abducted-Elvis, corn-pone, back-ally publication. It has credentials and creditability. Nevertheless, I certainly hope you are correct, and I sure hope the person who wrote this article, DICK TERESI, that appeared in the Big Health Report is not correct or that this is a rare and isolated procedure and what your hospital did every other hospital in the USA does as much or more to determine alive or dead. In spite of all that I just wrote, that does nothing to relieve my anxiety wondering can one still feel pain after one’s so called legal death??? That still very much concerns me and you have not addressed that aspect in your comment, just mentioned about an EEG. I mean, who can you ask? Anyone who has been declared legally dead and had their organs harvested can never come back to tell us, can they???

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helen itzsche

posted March 22, 2012 at 4:24 pm

You don’t know what you’re taking about. I worked for hospitals for 30 years and I know for a fact that they don’t determine death by splashing cold water in your ears. They determine death with an EEG. The patients I saw who were donors were treated with the utmost respect and care.

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Pastor betty

posted March 19, 2012 at 9:46 pm

I have always said that Greed abounds in the Medical field, as well as other fields of intrest, and this is no exception, to the Rule , Except One The LORD” is Watching and Taking notes.

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posted March 19, 2012 at 1:52 pm

Wow, This is scary. The family of those who are truly a BHC. Should be compensated in some manner for the harvest of organs. If I were to donate my organs every conceivable test to prove death would be requested and if conclusive I would request some type of pain medication.

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posted March 19, 2012 at 1:28 pm

Very interesting and somewhat scary! I am not a donor and have no intention of becoming one. I feel that anyone that is or has considered being a donor should read this article.

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posted March 19, 2012 at 12:12 pm

If the statements in this article are true, I am surprised that medical ethicists have not raised the alarm. On that basis, I would caution all readers to research the information presented in more detail prior to changing their position on organ donation. I certainly will.

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posted March 19, 2012 at 8:50 am


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