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Recreating the Passion?

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Hollywood actor-director Mel Gibson has been asked to recreate the crucifixion of Jesus Christ in the streets of Sydney if the city is selected to host a major Catholic gathering in 2008, a newspaper reported Saturday.



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Meggan

posted August 6, 2005 at 8:10 am


Don’t do it, Mel!



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Jimmy Mac

posted August 6, 2005 at 8:12 am


That ought to scare the children and the horses!



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Clayton

posted August 6, 2005 at 9:05 am


In less sensational news, Jim Caviezel is going to Cologne to lead a session on the rosary.



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Jack Dwyer

posted August 6, 2005 at 9:24 am


If this comes off, maybe you lot will just have to come and join us over here in Oz!!! How about it, my Lady?!



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ajb

posted August 6, 2005 at 10:01 am


“In less sensational news, Jim Caviezel is going to Cologne to lead a session on the rosary.”
Less sensational, but vaguely more pathetic. “well, no, he’s not the messiah, but he played him on screen!”.



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Clayton

posted August 6, 2005 at 10:51 am


Pathetic? Jim has a strong devotion to our Lady. What is wrong with him sharing that with young people, who will recognize him from the movie?



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Crocodylus Pontifex

posted August 6, 2005 at 12:33 pm


I agree ajb, we don’t need to be ripping on our own. There are four, maybe five, people in all of Hollywood that are even vaguely approaching anything close to moral and decent, and we should encourage them, not discourage them.



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sissa

posted August 6, 2005 at 12:52 pm


Pathetic?
Would that more ‘Catholic’ celebrities had the guts to perform traditional Catholic devotions in public.



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Victor Morton

posted August 6, 2005 at 12:57 pm


Well, if not actually BEING the Messiah disqualifies you from leading a session on the Rosary … ain’t gonna be much bead-clasping anywhere in the world.



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Pam

posted August 6, 2005 at 2:26 pm


Has kind of a olympic-host-hopeful ring to it, “this is what we have to offer, let us host it.” It does sound oz-some though, beautiful setting. Unfortunately, my aussie born grandbub, still weeing in nappies, will be to young to attend in 2008.



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Donna

posted August 6, 2005 at 2:40 pm


Jim Caviezel is the one of the few people in Hollywood who doesn’t believe himself to be God. Only an advanced Messiah complex can explain why Sean Penn and Rosie O’Donnell continue to believe that the rest of us desperately need their guidance and advice on weighty political matters.
As for Sydney: Mel’s already recreated the Passion exactly the way he wanted to. Isn’t that enough for people? They can show the film at this conference, if they want. I see no reason why he would have the slightest wish to run around directing “The Passion -LIVE, IN YOUR FACE, and COMING TO YOUR CITY SOON!”



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catholic

posted August 6, 2005 at 2:49 pm


I don’t know why anyone would be opposed to a Mel putting on a Passion Play in Sydney. Would you also be opposed to the Passion Play put on every 10 or so years (40 times total) since 1633 in Oberammergau? How about the less famous reenactments of the crucifixion that are done all around the world every year?
As for JC (Jim Caviezel) leading the rosary, may God bless him, the Holy Spirit lead him, and our Blessed Mother pray for him now at the hour of his death.
peace



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Donna

posted August 6, 2005 at 3:50 pm


Catholic: I have nothing against Passion Plays per se. The problem I would have with Mel directing one on the streets of Sydney would be that the entire focus would become, not a reminder of the suffering and death of Our Lord, but comparing and contrasting the Sydney version with Gibson’s film version.
Plus, Mel has spoken of other ideas he’s had for films with Biblical and/or religious themes. Let him get to work on those, instead of expecting him to give us yet another rendition of the Passion.



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Rosemarie

posted August 6, 2005 at 4:21 pm


+J.M.J+
I’d like Mel to do a prequel to TPOTC called “The Life of the Christ” – in Aramaic. But it almost certainly won’t happen. :-( Oh well.
In Jesu et Maria,



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Colleen

posted August 6, 2005 at 4:49 pm


Hey, I think a high profile, handsome and ‘normal’ Catholic doing anything high profile, very public and very Catholic can only be a good thing.
How many people (Catholics included) were bowled over by the beautiful Catholic Funeral Mass for JPII? — broadcast worldwide, bringing people to tears with the otherworldly beauty of the Mass. The gestures, the music, the meaning – for all to see and hear, maybe for the first time in their lives.



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Boniface McInnes

posted August 6, 2005 at 4:56 pm


Can someone please help me out here? Is there some way to intepret ajb’s comment above as anything other than hostility toward faithful catholics?
I’d like to hold a more charitable interpretation, but one is beyond my current abilities. Clue me in, folks.



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Mike Petrik

posted August 6, 2005 at 6:30 pm


I wish I could help you, Bonny, but I have no idea. Perhaps you should send him an email and ask?



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Crocodylus Pontifex

posted August 6, 2005 at 6:44 pm


“Jim Caviezel is the one of the few people in Hollywood who doesn’t believe himself to be God.”
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! I wish I had said that!



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Crocodylus Pontifex

posted August 6, 2005 at 6:54 pm


I gotta believe Mel would do an awesome job with one of the martyr stories, maybe the mother and seven sons in Maccabees would be too much for all the squishes out there, but something good from the Roman persecutions–Mel certainly nailed the necessary ingredient of defiance in William Wallace’s execution and in Jesus standing up after the initial phase of the scourging. I don’t know, maybe Constantine’s conversion? I saw “Constantine and the Cross” and it was painfully bad.



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Jason

posted August 6, 2005 at 7:29 pm


Mel would have a field day with the martyrdom of St. Bartholomew. Flayed alive. Mother Angelica used to tell how they reenacted this when she was a girl, lol.



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T. Chan

posted August 6, 2005 at 8:17 pm


Crocodylus Pontifex , unfortunately Constantine is a problematic person, especially because of his Arian leanings and late baptism. St. Helena, on the other hand, might be a different story. Personally, I would like to see an adaptation of some of the events recorded in Acts, with added narrative leading up to the deaths of Paul and/or Peter.



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Mary

posted August 6, 2005 at 10:59 pm


I know there was some discussion over at Jimmy Akin’s the last few days about a band playing at WYD in Cologne that has made public statements about their rejection of papal authority, with many people suggesting their invitation be revoked because of it. I liked “The Passion,” and I like Mel Gibson, but shouldn’t his comments/beliefs about the current state of the papacy be probed a bit more before he’s invited to do this?



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Trisha

posted August 6, 2005 at 11:25 pm


Does anyone know where Jim Caviezel’s been? He’s been missing for ions now. Has he left acting – ??
(ps/ I think the idea of the Passion recreated live is not a good idea BUT Mel is so dang brilliant that I would go w/ his idea way before I would bet on my own when it comes to ‘getting it right the first time’…. he won’t do it of course, but he could!!!! is what I’m saying.)



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Neil

posted August 7, 2005 at 12:34 am


Dear Trisha,
I’ve always wanted to quote Theological Studies and Variety on the same thread, so I’ll go ahead and quote a Variety story from July 21:
“Bob and Harvey Weinstein’s Weinstein Co. has partnered with IFC Films to pick up North American rights to the thriller Unknown. The movie stars Jim Caviezel, Greg Kinnear, Barry Pepper, Joe Pantoliano, Bridget Moynahan and Jeremy Sisto. Simon Brand directs the film from a screenplay by Matthew Waynee. The movie centers on five men who wake up in a locked warehouse. The trick is, they all have amnesia, and must figure out who is good and who is evil in order to stay alive.”
Now, I know that many of us will suspect that a film about men who wake up with amnesia and then have to figure out who among them is evil is really a story about present day American Catholicism. But I’ll just counsel patience.
Thanks.
Neil



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David Kubiak

posted August 7, 2005 at 12:56 am


AJB’s comment is harsh, but it makes perfect sense to me. He is saying that poor Jim has been such a theatrical flop since the film he is reduced to getting publicity by leading the rosary.
A friend of mine in Cleveland was at a party where Mr. Caviezel was a guest, and he reported that Mel’s star was telling people he felt blackballed in Hollywood after the movie. Which may be true, but given what leading men are required to do in movies these days I don’t see how he could expect much success. Has he done anything since the Bobby Jones movie bombed?



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Jason

posted August 7, 2005 at 1:06 am


I highly doubt leading Catholic youth in the recitation of the Holy Rosary is a stab at “publicity” for Caviezel. It’s not like he’s doing something out of the ordinary. He has spoken at Catholic conferences, and his wife has given talks on chastity. Why don’t we just appreciate the fact that he’s a committed Catholic?



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Matt C. Abbott

posted August 7, 2005 at 2:08 am


I give Caviezel a lot of credit. Not only was the role of Christ physically demanding, but he knew (Mel had warned him, if I’m not mistaken) that playing the role could be a career-killer for him.
Well, I wouldn’t say it’s been a career-killer; he does work. Granted, the last couple of films haven’t exactly been blockbusters, but at least he seemingly is selective about his roles.
I think he’ll be fine.



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Bill

posted August 7, 2005 at 2:18 am


To me, the Gibson Passion Play sounds like a great idea. I hope it happens. Nice to hear about Caviezel, too.



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Steve

posted August 7, 2005 at 5:39 am


It’ll be good to see something on the streets if Sydney other than the annual gay mardi gras.



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Steve

posted August 7, 2005 at 5:40 am


It’ll be good to see something on the streets of Sydney other than the annual gay mardi gras.



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Rosemarie

posted August 7, 2005 at 7:33 am


+J.M.J+
>>>The movie stars Jim Caviezel … and Jeremy Sisto.
Wow, two stars who played Jesus. Too bad they couldn’t snag Robert Powell as well. :-)
In Jesu et Maria,



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Septimus

posted August 7, 2005 at 9:06 am


God bless any celebrities who want to LEAD the rosary (as opposed to WEARING it)…



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Dad29

posted August 7, 2005 at 9:30 am


The rumor is also interesting because of Mel’s semi-public refusal to abandon the Old Rite Mass.
OTOH, given that Cdl. Pell will be one of the Old Rite Mass celebrants at WYD, …
Interesting.



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Boniface McInnes

posted August 7, 2005 at 11:11 am


Mary,
The Argentine band and Mr. Gibson just don’t compare well. You will note that Mr. Akin went to great pains to point out that their statements against papal infallibility and this pope in particular were very public. On the other hand, Mr. Gibson has been very careful not to make scandalous public announcements of any sort. Therefore, we don’t need to dig deep into his beliefs so long as he keeps them private and doesn’t lead others to sin (assuming he even holds any heterodox beliefs.) Its a matter between him and the Lord, so long as his public face is faithful, and concerns you and I not one whit.
His father is a different matter, but can we blame a man for his father’s sins? Or for refusing to publically denounce his father? I know if my dear old dad were a holocaust-denying sedevacantist, he and I would have some serious private words about the matter, but they would remain private. He’s my father, b’gosh. If anyone wants a fight with me, the best way to go about it is to pick one with him.



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Nicole

posted August 7, 2005 at 12:53 pm


Jason wrote:
I highly doubt leading Catholic youth in the recitation of the Holy Rosary is a stab at “publicity” for Caviezel. It’s not like he’s doing something out of the ordinary. He has spoken at Catholic conferences, and his wife has given talks on chastity. Why don’t we just appreciate the fact that he’s a committed Catholic?
I agree. He has been outspoken about his love for our Lady and the Rosary long before TPOTC came along. He has also participated in these types of gatherings before. This is anything but pathetic. Jim Caviezel is inspirational. He was before TPOTC and continues to be.
RAH!
Nicole



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Mary

posted August 7, 2005 at 3:34 pm


Boniface,
I never mentioned anything about Mel Gibson’s father, nor did I write that he should be judged by his father’s statements. He shouldn’t be.
But Mel Gibson is quite the larger celebrity than this Argetine band, so I think any ambiguousness on his part needs to be cleared up. I’m not saying he shouldn’t be invited – that’s of course for the good Cardinal Pell and other WYD organizers to decide. Gibson did a great job with “The Passion” and it aided a great many in their meditation on Our Lord’s suffering and death. I’m just saying that the young people who attend WYD are impressionable, and that needs to be considered when inviting participants.



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elizabeth

posted August 7, 2005 at 7:37 pm


WHAT is wrong with you people, seeing ANYTHING wrong in Jim C. leading a rosary – and who cares IF people do recognize him!
sNOOP dOGG is now doing car commercials – NO one got any comment on that. BUT a christian ACTOR recites the rosary!? And G-D forbid any celebrity showing up in Cologne for the HUGE (800thou) youth gathering!
I recall growing up w/Martin Sheen doing all kinds of Catholic movies…
Jimmymac’s commenting in this blog has put me off him for life – blah and blech!



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Septimus

posted August 7, 2005 at 8:03 pm


Boniface: If a man should be blamed for his father’s vices, shall a man be credited with his father’s virtues? Please let me know, I should like to get in line for that benefit, quite as soon as possible.



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James Kabala

posted August 7, 2005 at 8:39 pm


T. Chan:
I know of at least two Acts adaptations: A.D. (supposedly a sequel to Jesus of Nazareth, although Zefferrelli didn’t direct) and Peter and Paul, with Robert Foxworth and Anthony Hopkins in the title roles. I’ve never seen either one, so I don’t know if they are any good. Acccording to IMDB, both seem to have the “all-star cast” typical of many mediocre biblical epics (James Mason, Ava Gardner, John Houseman, Susan Sarandon, Jennifer O’Neil, and even Ben Vereen in the former; Raymond Burr, Eddie Albert, and Jose Ferrer in the latter.) This is probably a bad sign.



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Boniface McInnes

posted August 7, 2005 at 8:46 pm


Mary,
No one has accused you of bringing up Hutton Gibson. There is nothing in my words that can reasonably be construed as such, so please be at peace in this regard.
As to Mel’s “ambiguousness”, are you suggesting that he should be made to publically affirm, individually, each and every teaching of Holy Mother Church? Perhaps in a manner similar to the Anti-Modernist Oath? Do you expect this of each and every Catholic who is involved in a public function of the Church? Most (all) lay people involved in public functions haven’t made unambiguous statements regarding each and every teaching of the Church. Must they? If not, why does Mel’s “celebrity” require a higher standard? If you have some example of publically expressed dissent by Mr. Gibson, I’d be glad to hear it. (And I’d accept “There’s a great big chapel with his name all over it” if he built it in any other diocese in the world; considering the state of L.A., I am not troubled by his chapel, I must confess.) Otherwise, there must be some reason you don’t trust the man. If it isn’t the holocaust-denying sedevacantist, what is it?



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Boniface McInnes

posted August 7, 2005 at 8:50 pm


Septimus,
Slow down, young fellow. If you re-read my comment, you will see that I am expressing that a man is NOT to be held to answer for his father’s sin.
I like to make “smart” comments as much as the next guy but, based on years of embarrassment, I must warn you to double-check your understanding before making them. “Red-faced” is probably as unattractive on you as it is on me.
But I’ll bet you get me good next time, when I really do deserve it. Be patient, I get it totally wrong frequently enough.



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Septimus

posted August 7, 2005 at 9:00 pm


Boniface:
I am sorry, I was too subtle.
I was simply trying, in an attempt at some sort of roundabout eloquence, to agree with your point and also to pay tribute to my own father.



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Maggie

posted August 7, 2005 at 9:44 pm


It wasn’t so much that Jim Caviezel played Jesus Christ that was alarming, his next role took more guts:
He portrayed Bobby Jones the golfer. Now that took real moxy.
He hasn’t been hiding or missing in action, it takes a long time to make movies and for them to come out.
I love his work, and his faith. Wish I were going to Germany now.



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Mary

posted August 7, 2005 at 11:38 pm


Boniface:
Wow. No offense, but take a chill pill and actually read what I wrote.
First, Gibson’s celebrity is very important in this case. Young people look up to him and if he’s to be held up to them as a Catholic standard at a WYD event, I hope he’d be above scrutiny. I’m not saying the man has to be perfect. But I would hope that he accepts the Church’s teachings. I’m not saying that he has to make public statements accepting the authority of the popes post Vatican II. But I am saying that if there’s definitive evidence that he doesn’t accept that, I think an invitation to him should be reconsidered (not revoked – reconsidered). And I think there’s enough evidence now (yes, his church for one) for WYD organizers to perhaps ask him privately to clarify what he believes – not to make a public statement, not to definitely disinvite him – just to clarify privately. Of course, I would trust whatever Cardinal Pell and the WYD organizers decide and as they appear now to be fine with whatever Gibson’s beliefs happen to be, then I’m fine with that.
As far as lay people making public statements accepting the Church’s teachings, there are in fact a number of U.S. dioceses that require their employees, specifically those who work in Catholic education, to sign letters affirming their belief in the Church’s teachings.



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James Kabala

posted August 8, 2005 at 9:46 am


Actually, Maggie, IMDB lists Calviziel has having only one unreleased movie – the aforementioned “Unknown.” I doubt if he’s being blackballed; more likely, as someone above mentioned, it’s hard to find acting roles compatible with a good Catholic life. Mel, for all his love of the pre-Vatican II Church, is willing to take roles that would never have passed the Legion of Decency test. (That’s not meant as a criticism, just a statement of fact.) Calviziel seems less willing to do so. (Although if you look far enough back in his IMDB bio, he did have small roles in “G.I. Jane” and even “My Own Private Idaho.” )



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john c

posted August 8, 2005 at 4:32 pm


I have chill pills if anyone needs it. As always, the first hit is free.



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