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A Thoughtful, Reasonable, Pastoral Comment about Same Sex Sex

posted by Tony Jones

There have been some real gems among the hundreds and hundreds of comments left on this blog in the past couple weeks.  Among those that bear repeating is this one from Edward Green: To begin to understand the Bible’s views […]

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posted by Tony Jones

Sara weighs in on Original Sin: And now it’s time for a woman’s perspective on “original sin.” Eve, the woman, fell for the snake’s deceit. Eve, the woman, was a deceived transgressor, not Adam (1 Timothy 2:14). Eve, the woman, […]

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posted by Tony Jones

I’m with Larry: Actually, the mere existence of soccer is proof of total depravity.

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posted by Tony Jones

Rick brashly flaunts my prohibition: To prove total depravity, I only need to look at the following: 1. NFL officiating, especially when the Steelers involved in the Super Bowl. 2. Terrel Owens picking up a new contract. 3. The 14 […]

Comment(s) of the Weekend

posted by Tony Jones

Paul asks, Hey does Tony ever post replies to the comments. I’m a long time lurker here at his blog and I notice he doesn’t really reply to criticism of his opinions here. What’s up with that? Cody replies, Paul- […]

Comment of the Day 2

posted by Tony Jones

More on the Sermon on the Mount, now from Mark Van Steewyk: Hrmpfh. I could write volumes in response to the different assumptions and assertions already popping up here. But I’ll try to keep it brief. First of all, the […]

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posted by Tony Jones

Angela, on the Sermon on the Mount and martial arts: People are always telling me that when Jesus said “turn the other cheek” he meant “within reason,” that when he said to carry the pack an extra mile, he meant […]

Comment of the Weekend

posted by Tony Jones

stormtrooper #274.52 objects to Brian’s apologia for Pelagius: wow. I can’t express how strongly I disagree with Brian’s support for Pelagius’ teachings. I find such theology to be soul-crushing, gospel-destroying, and faith-squelching. In my eyes, it truly amount to no […]

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posted by Tony Jones

Brian does the unthinkable and defends Pelagius (against Augustine)!  Watch out, Brian, the NeoReformed stormtroopers went after Scot McKnight last week, and they’ll probably come after you here! Pelagius brought up good points that are often ignored. First, he argued […]

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posted by Tony Jones

We’ve got a nice thread going on free will and determinism around these parts.  Albert the Abstainer chimes in: Real free will: An ability to choose alternatives such that the possibility of an alternative action is real and not the […]

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posted by Tony Jones

Yay!  Albert the Abstainer is back! Real free will is illusionary. Don’t believe me, try controlling your thoughts or dreams. The state we occupy is continuously changing in response to being a physical part of a physical universe. Our complexity […]

Comment of the Weekend

posted by Tony Jones

I’m glad to see that my weekend quote of Dante stirred up some commentary.  Here’s one, from Ben, followed by a response from me. (My apologies for Ben’s masculine language.) I’m not sure how to understand Dante’s use of “free […]

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posted by Tony Jones

Brian has a warning for Mark Driscoll and other expanding evangelical ministries: Thanks for this post. This is depressing news. I don’t mean any disrespect to these folks personally. I know they can be very kind, good people in person. […]

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posted by Tony Jones

Under Original Sin: Paul, Romans 5, and the Heart of the Issue, Brian provides with a helpful primer to the various views of interpreting Romans: Romans is important to the conversation about the doctrine of “Original Sin” for several reasons. […]

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posted by Tony Jones

Thanks, Brian, for this response to Mrs. Darwin Would Be Proud: Octavia Butler has written a couple of wonderful books called The Parable of the Sower and The Parable of the Talents. In these books she includes poetry about an […]

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posted by Tony Jones

Thanks, Brian: The Quaker theologian Parker Palmer says it well: “Truth is an ongoing conversation about things that matter.”

Comment of the Day, Take Two

posted by Tony Jones

Brian gives some excellent context to the world the Jesus was born into, and unpacks the Hebrew background to the concept of sin: There is no such thing as original sin in the book of Genesis. Judaism has no such […]

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posted by Tony Jones

KE Alexander on Original Sin: The problem with a Reformation view of original sin is that it tends to free one from responsibility for one’s actions. That is not to say that our human faculties and/or affections have not been […]

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posted by Tony Jones

Dan H. brings up a point that raises a big question (which I’ve emboldened) in response to Original Sin: Jesus’ Ambivalence: Hmm. I would agree that Jesus never articulates an Augustinian understanding of ‘original sin’. But I would also agree […]

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posted by Tony Jones

Andrew weighs in on “Progressive” or “Liberal”: Maybe I’m just anal retentive but I think that the term “progressive” is a lot like the term “evangelical.” It’s just an easy way for folks to compartmentalize others (and maybe even themselves) […]

Comment of the Weekend

posted by Tony Jones

Scott M drops some historical and biblical context on Original Sin: For that matter, Ethan, I could have pointed to the very first controversy that resulted in the council of Jerusalem in Acts 15. I didn’t do so because the […]

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posted by Tony Jones

Why does a close examination of the doctrine of Original Sin matter? Because it is the “foundation” upon which much other Western doctrine is based. Scott M, take it away: Hmmm. Part of the problem may be that we have […]

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posted by Tony Jones

Noah, a self-described conservative, makes a calm and helpful comment under Same Sex Marriage Blogalogue: Press Pause, To be really honest, the comment section makes me sad. It is sad to me that people become so ugly when discussions arise […]

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posted by Tony Jones

Scott M points out some of the most significant intellectual problems with the doctrine of Original Sin: There are many ways in which this peculiarly Western variation of Christian belief distorts the faith. I mentioned one, the fate of infants […]

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posted by Tony Jones

So many great comments under Original Sin: A Depraved Idea, so I’ll just highlight Virgil’s.  Do yourself a favor and go read the others. There is very little that is “traditional” about the doctrine of original sin, until we get […]

Comment of the Day

posted by Tony Jones

Mike Morrell got off his ROM long enough to serve up this beauty under Announcing Queermergent: Well, I’m coming in on this discussion late – which is probably merciful. I think that, before posting on such things, we need to […]

Comment(s) of the Day

posted by Tony Jones

As usual, lots and lots of mean-spirited commentary around GLBT issues here yesterday, but a couple of poignant comments stuck out under yesterday’s Comment of the Day and Sunday’s Announcing Queermergent. First, Kristi: done talking? done listening? i don’t understand […]

Comment of the Day 2

posted by Tony Jones

Peter Rollins and Stephen Shields have begun a bit of a back-and-forth under the post, Ten Years of Emergent/ing.  Here’s Pete’s response to Stephen, and here’s hoping they’ll continue the conversation (here or elsewhere): Hey there Would love to chat, […]

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posted by Tony Jones

Preson takes issue with my post, Announcing Queermergent, as did many others.  What’s interesting is that I merely pointed out this new group, with no editorial comment.  Yet my even publicizing it raises the ire of many. I guess that […]

Comment of the Weekend

posted by Tony Jones

Well, there’s a lot to choose from this weekend.  Several of the Methodist ministers who were at the contentious conference last week weighed in on What Happened in Missouri. Of course, it’s disheartening to read on Susan Cox-Johnson’s blog that […]

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posted by Tony Jones

Bob is not going to be happy, but I’m posting robroy’s response to my Rick Warren vs. Gene Robinson, and I’m doing so because I think, regardless of robroy’s rudeness, it shows a particular perspective on why Gene Robinson (and […]

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posted by Tony Jones

Dan dissents regarding the post, Is Mysticism Gnostic?: Tony writes: “In my Monday post, I mused that the “secret knowledge” vibe expounded by some conservative Christians opens them to the charge of gnosticism. Some commenters mentioned that the other primary […]

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posted by Tony Jones

Darren King weighs in on the post, Are Conservatives the Real Gnostics?: Tony, I agree. And I’ve often thought about this in terms of how we handle parts of scripture – such as the epistles of Paul. Rather than seeing […]

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posted by Tony Jones

Eric Glover continues the discussion of the Trinity: First I just want to say that I’m not arguing for or against the traditional understanding of the trinity in this post, I just merely want to engage the applicability of the […]

Comment of the Weekend

posted by Tony Jones

Wow.  There was a slew of great comments from which to choose this weekend.  The best comment string, methinks, is under The Orthodoxy of Down Syndrome.  But the top comment goes to Steve D., who commented under Is the Trinity […]

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posted by Tony Jones

Several readers, when considering the Trinity, Mormonism, and orthodoxy, are wondering about the authority of Nicaea. Master Doyle: The two arguments I’ve heard most often to explain why Mormons aren’t Christian are 1) they believe in extra-Biblical scriptures, namely the […]

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posted by Tony Jones

Seth R., a practicing Mormon, weighs in on the Trinity and, in particular, my chosen trinitarian formulation: Tony, it’s interesting in the same article where you conclude that Mormons are not Christians, you admit that you yourself are a “Social […]

Comment of the Day

posted by Tony Jones

A fine dissent from Mike to my still-debated post, How I Went from There to Here: Same Sex Marriage Blogalogue: I think the conclusion from this is that you have “caved to the mushy inclusivity of pluralized nothingness” from the […]

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posted by Tony Jones

Panthera, Larry, Celsus, and others continue to have at on yesterday’s COTD, but it’s Christmas Eve, so I’m going to refrain from re-posting one of theirs here — they’re not particularly gentle. However, here’s a comment by Panthera on yesterday’s […]

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posted by Tony Jones

The Comment of the Weekend, continuing the conversation on homosexuality, has drawn a bit of response.  Larry and Panthera exchanged comments that hovered just on the border of civility and then, I’m afraid, crossed that border.  We join the conversation […]

Comment of the Weekend

posted by Tony Jones

Over the weekend, I wrote a post giving three options as to why the story of Rick Warren’s inauguration prayer has hung on so long (and, as far as my blog reading this morning, it’s not going away just yet).  […]

Comment of the Day

posted by Tony Jones

To my post, Penn Gillette Loves Him Some Gideons, PerpetualDreamer replies, Even though I’m no longer a Christian, I find the Gideon bibles very useful – they’re free and very effective getting missionaries off my property when I threaten to […]

Comment(s) of the Day

posted by Tony Jones

Well, color me astonished.  Mega-commenter A Walker shows us all that he’s not just a one-trick (SSM) pony.  He’s not only familiar with Walter Rauschenbush, but he favorably quotes the social gospeler in response to my Rick Warren post of […]

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posted by Tony Jones

From Basil, responding to Quote of the Weekend: I appreciate the civil tenor of all of these comments. I am a gay man, who is exploring my own religious beliefs, via Quakerism, and enjoy my worship greatly. I am very […]

Quote of the Weekend

posted by Tony Jones

To the post, The Newsweek Same Sex Marriage Kerfuffle, Dr. O’Hanlan writes, Galileo (science) was right and the Catholic Church was wrong and we finally had to admit it 500 years later. Science has some weighty evidence for us and […]

Comment of the Day

posted by Tony Jones

Sam comments on my Rich Cizik post: I thank God for Rich Cizik’s courage. He was just out here at Azusa Pacific University where I now work and spoke some good words. I am like him, for civil unions for […]

Comment of the Day

posted by Tony Jones

“Duh-sciple” has quickly become one of my favorite commenters.  under the post, Is Rick Warren a Centrist, s/he writes, Remember that when we draw the line between “us” and “them” between the “pure” and the “depraved” between the “saved” and […]

Comment of the Day

posted by Tony Jones

Two in a row for Dr. Science! Wow, I just checked back to see if the old thread had died, and what do I find! Thank you, Tony. BTW, the pronoun used for me is “she”, not “he”. “A Walker” […]

Comment of the Weekend

posted by Tony Jones

To my post regarding Zach Lind’s support of SSM, over against the arguments Dan Kimball noted that it may lead to the legalization of polygamy, Dr. Science writes, Civil marriage is a legal contract between two persons. Same-sex marriage acknowledges […]

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posted by Tony Jones

The conversation continues my most-read Beliefnet post to date: Same Sex Marriage Blogalogue: How I Went from There to Here.  Ben contributed this: Yes, The Holy Bible is very clear on a lot of things. Circumcision, for instance. And what […]

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posted by Tony Jones

There’s a really fascinating string of comments under Tuesday’s post, Are You an MIE (Multi-Issue Evangelical)? regarding abortion.  It’s hard to pick just one comment, but RJohnson’s stood out to me as particularly thoughtful: “A fetus should not legally be […]

Comment of the Day

posted by Tony Jones

Dr. Science weighs in on the question, Is There a Religious Left? As “Your name” demonstrates, the answer to Tony’s question is “Yes”. Back in November 2004, Jeff Sharlet confessed it quite clearly, talking about questions he and Peter Manseau […]

Comment of the Weekend

posted by Tony Jones

Several commenters have questioned my inclusion of the “B” in GLBTQ, suggesting that bisexual persons don’t fit under the monogamy that I endorse.  But PSUdain clarifies on my behalf: There seems to be a running confusion here about the nature […]

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posted by Tony Jones

Rev Dave writes, “Keep rocking the quadrilateral” Ha! +1 tripp! As a transplanted Methodist, I had a similar thought (and we were just this week teaching the quad to our Confirmation class). Though I wasn’t brought up in that tradition, […]

Comment of the Day 2

posted by Tony Jones

I’m adding another one today since I found what BudCath had to say interesting: Thanks for your comments. I would love for America to be guided by golden rule, but it is not and never has been. Indians, slavery, jim […]

Comment of the Day

posted by Tony Jones

Sean gets right to the point — a point that Rod and I will explore much more in coming weeks. Nine biblical citations are customarily invoked as relating to homosexuality. Four (Deuteronomy 23:17, 1 Kings 14:24, I Kings 22:46 and […]

Comment of the Day

posted by Tony Jones

I’m going to start a new feature here at The New Christians.  Every day — well, almost every day — I’ll post what I consider to be a thoughtful comment that truly adds to the conversation, or a witty comment, […]

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