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posted by Tony Jones

Thanks, Brian, for this response to Mrs. Darwin Would Be Proud:

Octavia Butler has written a couple of wonderful books called The
Parable of the Sower
and The Parable of the Talents. In these books she
includes poetry about an emerging, evolutionary theology. Here is one
of these poems:

All that you touch,
You Change.
All that you Change,
Changes you.
The only lasting truth
Is Change.
God
Is Change.



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Larry

posted February 17, 2009 at 11:53 am


No flames for endorsing process theology yet? Somebody’s slacking off.



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Brian

posted February 17, 2009 at 1:49 pm


This author is not a process theologian. But I grant you that such poetry may be found meaningful for people who are compelled by process theology or open theism.



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Tony

posted February 17, 2009 at 2:50 pm


I’m thankful that God is consistent, and that his character and purpose are unchanged. Read Parable… evolutionary theology? I suppose – we can make it anything we want, right?
Hebrews 6:17
Because God wanted to make the unchanging nature of his purpose very clear to the heirs of what was promised, he confirmed it with an oath.



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Brian

posted February 17, 2009 at 3:50 pm


You’re right, the Scriptures describe God as unchanging in several places. But the Scriptures also describe God as changing. So there is diversity in our Bible. For example, here are a few examples of God repenting: Check out Jeremiah 18:8, Numbers 23:19, I Samuel 15:29, Jonah 4:2, Joel 2:13-14, Exodus 32:12, etc. Perhaps the point here is to hold these different descriptions of God in tension. So, it’s fine that we have different understandings of God.
Personally, I understand Jesus as the decisive revelation of God. He is the Logos and the Word-made-flesh for me. Jesus is the window through which I understand God. As the decisive revelation of God, Jesus revealed a personal God by being a personal agent (i.e. fellow human being) and working through personal agency (i.e. forgiveness, love, grace, etc.). Therefore, I believe that Jesus revealed a dynamic God, who is active in our lives. A God who literally loves us. A God who cares about our prayers. A God who forgives our sins. A God who transforms our lives. A God who continually beckons us to “abundant life.”
For me, God is worth worshiping precisely because God exists in time with us. There is no such thing as past or future. The past is gone and experienced by God. The future, however, lacks actuality. There is only an ongoing state of now. Therefore, God is in the now with us in each passing moment. God is here and now. God is omni-present, omni-relational, and omni-competent.
God works in and through the changes in order to creatively beckon us to “abundant life” in each passing moment. So I tend to agree with process theology and open theism, that change/creativity is the ultimate reality; God is the ultimate actuality.
Poetry describes this theology much better than stuffy words. So here is Peter Mayer’s song, “God is a River”:
In the ever-shifting water of the river of this life
I was swimming, seeking comfort; I was wrestling waves to find
A boulder I could cling to, a stone to hold me fast
Where I might let the fretful water of this river ‘round me pass
And so I found an anchor, a blessed resting place
A trusty rock I called my savior, for there I would be safe
From the river and its dangers, and I proclaimed my rock divine
And I prayed to it “protect me” and the rock replied
CHORUS:
God is a river, not just a stone
God is a wild, raging rapids
And a slow, meandering flow
God is a deep and narrow passage
And a peaceful, sandy shoal
God is the river, swimmer
So let go
Still I clung to my rock tightly with conviction in my arms
Never looking at the stream to keep my mind from thoughts of harm
But the river kept on coming, kept on tugging at my legs
Till at last my fingers faltered, and I was swept away
So I’m going with the flow now, these relentless twists and bends
Acclimating to the motion, and a sense of being led
And this river’s like my body now, it carries me along
Through the ever-changing scenes and by the rocks that sing this song
God is the river, swimmer
So let go



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Your Name

posted March 23, 2009 at 10:07 pm


NOT THAT TRUE. AS MANY ASTRONAUTS HAVE BEEN TO THE MOON, WHY OUR BODIES COULD NOT ADVANCE TO DEVELOP WINGS TO FLY TO THE MOON. THE WORD, CHANGE, HAS BEEN INTRODUCED BY DARWIN IN WHICH HIS THEORY CONTRADICTS THE CREATION OF THIS WORLD BY GOD IN GENESIS 1. AS MONTH BY MONTH AND DAY BY DAY PASS BY, WE DO NOT SEE ANY IMPROVEMENT OF OUR BODIES TO ADAPT THE ENVIRONMENT. THOSE PEOPLE, THAT USE ROPES TO CLIMB UP COCONUT TREES, COULD NOT CAUSE THEIR CHILDREN TO DEVELOP WINGS SO THAT THEY NEED NOT TO BE DEPENDING UPON CLIMBING SKILL INSTEAD, THEY SHOULD IMPROVE THEIR BODIES BY DEVELOPING WINGS TO FLY UP COCONUT TREES SO AS TO PLUCK COCONUTS FOR DAILY CONSUMPTION AND/OR MERCHANDISING.



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Your Name

posted March 23, 2009 at 10:37 pm


THERE ARE MANY DISCREPANCIES BETWEEN APE AND HUMAN BEINGS:
1) APES CAN SWING FROM ONE TREE TO ANOTHER, BUT HUMAN BEINGS COULD NOT.
2) APES’ HANDS ARE STRONGER THAN LEG, BUT FOR HUMAN BEINGS, IT MIGHT NOT BE SO.
3) APES ARE HAIRY, BUT NOT ALL HUMAN BEINGS ARE HAIRY. THE MOST HAIRY PART FOR HUMAN BEINGS IS ON THEIR HEAD.
4) APES ARE SMART THAT THEY COULD PROTECT THEIR CHILDREN, THE SAME TO HUMAN BEINGS.
THE LIKELINESS OF BEAR TO HUMAN BEINGS:
A) BEARS COULD WALK AND HUMAN BEINGS TOO.
B) BEARS DON’T SWING FROM TREES TO TREES AND THE SAME FOR HUMAN BEINGS.
C) BEARS ARE SMART THAT THEY COULD PROTECT THEIR CHILDREN.
FROM THE COMPARISONS AS ABOVE, HUMAN BEINGS ARE MORE LIKE BEARS THAN APES. THUS, DARWIN’S THEORY IS ERRONEOUS AND SHOULD BE REJECTED.
AS DARWIN’S THEORY COULD NOT STAND WHEN COMPARING BETWEEN APES AND HUMAN BEINGS, HIS THEORY SIMPLY IS FULLY OF GUESSING WORK WITH LITTLE REASONING.



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Jonathan CHM

posted March 27, 2009 at 3:42 am


Genesis 1:27, “So God made man in his own image”.
Genesis 2:7, “And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground.”
Genesis 2:21-22, “And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, …the Lord had taken from man, made he a woman, & brought her unto the man”.
From the above verses, it is obvious that God formed man/woman from dust instead of transforming apes to human beings.



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