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Lady Gaga, the AANR, and Nudeapalooza

posted by S. Russ

Lady Gaga has come up with another way to etch her name into the annuls of pop history – performing in the buff.  In her latest Gagavision video broadcasted on her website, she claimed that she hoped to do all future TV appearances in her birthday suit.  She said it would be, and I quote, “timeless.”

I typically give Gaga high marks for creativity, especially with making waves for the causes that she supports.  I was eager to dismiss this as just another attempt at shock value, and not an original one either – just ask Macy Gray.  But, then things got interesting.

You may realize as I do that everything Lady Gaga does is followed closely by some sort of organization.  This time is no different.  The American Association for Nude Recreation, supporter of nudist colonies everywhere, have issued a formal invitation for Lady Gaga to join up with them.  However, even the 80 year old organization doesn’t believe (accurately) that the world of television is ready for such a thing, so instead they offered a variety of ideas including:

“Conduct a benefit concert in the buff at AANR’s annual convention at member resort Laguna del Sol in Wilton, CA this August 8-14, 2011;

Shoot her next GagaVision video blog in the nude at one of AANR’s fun nudist resorts;

Be timeless and have her next television interview in her birthday suit at a nudist resort;

Or, as many nudist resorts annually putting on music events such as Nudestock and Nudeapalooza, Lady Gaga could make an appearance at one and sing “Born this Way” the way she really was born, in all her naked glory while in front of all her adoring little naked monsters who happen to be AANR members.”

If you didn’t know that there was a Nudestock or a Nudeapalooza, then welcome to the club.  In fact, I didn’t even know that the AANR existed.  Even with their involvement I still think this particular publicity stunt is ridiculous and shallow, but I am now grateful to Lady Gaga for yet another thing – I now know that there is such a thing as Nudeapalooza.

And that’s just hilarious.

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Puppy Dickens

posted April 12, 2011 at 8:05 pm


This blog’s continued obsession with Lady Gaga is absolutely perverse. If there was doubt before, it has been erased now. Lady Gaga is promoting pornography, pornography, pornography. She openly mocks God and His commandments. She has no place on a spiritual website, even a transtheistic site like this one. I don’t even have to get into the symbology behind her name and logos and their connection to mind control and the Illuminati. She is dangerous yet you heap praise and attention on her.

What concerns me most is that this blog is supposedly safe for all ages. Yet it openly promotes this nudity, THE MOST UNHEALTHY thing a child can be exposed to. I pray that the writer or writers of this blog will hear the wisdom of these words and not harden their hearts.



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Malachi

posted April 12, 2011 at 8:08 pm


really, the most unhealthy thing a child can be exposed to is nudity? what about drugs, child molesters, parental abuse, asbestos, rabid animals, and a thousand other things I can think of that are more unhealthy than some skin?



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Puppy Dickens

posted April 12, 2011 at 9:20 pm


Yes Malachi it is the worst. I am concerned with the ultimate spiritual health of a child, not the physical health. Physical health is nothing if your soul is infected with the cancer of pornography. All the things you mention are horrible, yet none (except drug use) endanger your soul of damnation.

Among the worst of pornography’s evils is its promotion of the rape culture that is so prevalent in todays society. Malachi, you might have noticed from my past questioning that I was suspicious that you harbor a sort of implicit misogyny. I do not mean this as a direct attack on you, rather it is an underlying flaw of your particular world view. Now your casual dismissal of this filth as just “some skin” makes me fear that you are at worst a rape-apologist or at best a passive rape-enabler. It is not just the rapists who enable rape. Those who support the evils of pornography are equally culpable. Please hear these words.



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Malachi

posted April 12, 2011 at 9:23 pm


ok. you have crossed a line. as a rape survivor, i find your comments not only offensive, but cruel and vile. ou have no idea who i am and to throw out words like rape as accusations is … i can think of no better word than vile.

as far as “some skin” is concerned, my point was that compared to the other things I listed, I believe nudity is not an enormous and gigantic deal. nudity does not always equal pornography, and since we haven’t even seen what lady gaga is going to do, perhaps we should not leap to the conclusion that it will be pornographic.



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The Prophet

posted April 12, 2011 at 9:42 pm


Whoa there Puppy, you are coming too close to a personal attack there. Ease off a bit.

Also, I’m not promoting nudity, if you actually read the post you would see that.



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Tamara

posted April 12, 2011 at 9:53 pm


Once again, Puppy Dickens completely misses the point. I think her obsession with complaining that others don’t share her particularly narrow expression of Christianity is perverse. And there I go, feeding the troll.

Malachi, I agree.



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Meona Goodday

posted April 12, 2011 at 10:19 pm


Dear Puppy Dickens

Umm…if you have issues with the blog or its contents perhaps you might just not read it. And I agree with the others. To wit:

1. You shouldn’t criticize before you actually read the post in its entirety. The point of the post (please excuse me if I am wrong, PoP) is that now the PoP knows that there is something called “Nudepalooza” and he found out because he read something about Lady Gaga. He wasn’t promoting Gaga in this post.

2. I posit that it is not nudity that is the problem but the fact that we’ve so defiled the human body that we believe that it is in itself evil. That would be a tenet of the heresy the Early Church defined a long time ago called “gnosticism” which declared that the body is evil and only spirit is good. It was declared heresy in about 150AD. If you are a gnostic I could understand why you would find this disturbing. Which leads me to

3. Really? Nudity is the most unhealthy thing a child can be exposed to? And we wonder why girls have such bad opinions of themselves and boys think girls are toys.

4. You kind of owe those of us who have survived rape an apology. Just sayin’

Have a good day. I am.



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Puppy Dickens

posted April 12, 2011 at 10:33 pm


The Prophet, I was trying very hard not to be personal. The nature of these discussions does make it hard to separate ourselves from our arguments. Some previous comments about my gender were quite mean yet these were not warned. It is almost as if a strong womanly voice for the Lord is looked on as a foolish parody, and I hate to see attitude accepted as the norm.

Malachi I do not claim to know you. I can only make decisions based on the imperfect glimpses I get through these comments. I am sorry about your past situation. Knowing this will help me understand your point of view better so I can speak more clearly to your arguments. If you would like a hug from me you can have one. :::gives hug to Malachi:::

That said, the reason I felt compelled to bring up rape-culture, besides its obvious connection to the topics at hand, was that in many message boards your previous comment would have resulted in a trigger warning. It seemed you were casually throwing out child molestation and abuse along side asbestos. We must be on constant guard to perceive how our words may be unknowingly hurtful to others.

Tamara I hope you at understand how much I care about the lives of everyone on this earth. To do any less is to ignore our duty to the Lord. We MUST be bold in His name, not passive. We MUST care when people fall away from Him. Do you care about each lost soul? Please hear these words.



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Puppy Dickens

posted April 12, 2011 at 10:44 pm


Meona,

1. We are called to be in the world, not of it. Dwelling on the sinful state of mankind is the beginning of temptation.

2. The internet didn’t exist in 150AD.

3. Until mankind is glorified and restored to perfection, we ignore the implications of the Fall at our own danger.

4. As the past few comments demonstrate, none of us knows what any of us has been through. Let us not use that as an argumentative crutch.



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Meona Goodday

posted April 12, 2011 at 11:08 pm


1. Actually, dwelling on the sinful state of man is precisely what we are supposed to do. By remembering what we are sinful we live lives of repentance and thus become closer to the perfection God has called us to.

2. What does that have to do with anything?

3. Perfection comes and my God is more than able to preserve me. How about yours?

4. What are you talking about?



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The Prophet

posted April 12, 2011 at 11:11 pm


Meona, I appreciate your comments! Don’t mind Puppy, every blogger needs a mortal enemy I suppose. Thank you for reading!

-Stephen



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Tamara

posted April 12, 2011 at 11:25 pm


2. I was wondering the same thing, Meona. Thanks for asking.

4. Puppy seems to start everything from the premise that there’s an argument to win. Dialogue and mutual discourse aren’t her style.



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Puppy Dickens

posted April 12, 2011 at 11:29 pm


Meona,

1. Do you doubt entire sanctification? Are we simply slaves to our sinful nature? The grace of God gives us no power over it?

2. We are talking about pornography and you ask what the internet has to do with it? Man’s ability to think up new ways to sin is unfathomable to those who came before. The idea of downloading a naked picture at 10 Mb per second was beyond the reckoning of the church in 150AD.

3. Yes He can.

4. I apologized to Malachi because he misunderstood my intent. I absolutely do not apologize for standing up to rape as an ingrained part of our society. Jokes, casual remarks, misogyny, all enable this culture. That I am personally attacked for standing up to it is indicative.

The Prophet, I am the furthest thing from your mortal enemy. I may be one of the few people who cares enough to worry about your soul. Please hear what I say.



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Tamara

posted April 12, 2011 at 11:38 pm


Actually, Puppy, you are talking about pornography. Everyone else is talking about nudist colonies responding to Lady Gaga’s latest stunt, as well as to your continual ability to find something outrageous in the most innocuous of posts.

I hope the PoP will fill us in on Lady Gaga’s response to the AANR’s invitations.



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Meona Goodday

posted April 12, 2011 at 11:51 pm


Thank you, Stephen and Tamara!

Puppy –

1. That is the point. Salvation is not a one time action. We must continually be saved because we continually sin. If we say we do not sin, we call Him a liar (1 John 1:9). As we say in the (Eastern Orthodox) Church, “I am saved. I am being saved. By God’s grace, I shall be saved.”

2a. In 150 AD gnosticism was declared a heresy. Are you a gnostic to believe that body and spirit should be separated and that one is evil and the other is good?

2b. I wasn’t discussing pornography and neither was the Pop. You were the one discussing pornography. Nudity does not = pornography anymore than 2 + 2 = 5.

3. Good to know. Keep that in mind at all times and in all situations.

4. What are you standing up to? There was no mention of rape in the original post. Only nudity. Nudity does not equal pornography nor does nudity equal rape. I’m still trying to comprehend your point of equating the three things (nudity = pornography and nudity = rape) because none of those things equate. If the nude body is evil (and thus equating to pornography and rape) then why did our Lord, Who cannot countenance evil, condescend to be born in a human body and of a human woman? You cannot have it both ways. Your premise is faulty.



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Tamara

posted April 13, 2011 at 8:36 am


I heart Meona and Meona’s #4!



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Malachi

posted April 13, 2011 at 2:46 pm


Puppy —

1) please do not make assumptions based on my name. I am in fact female and a vocal opponent of american cultures of rape and domestic violence.

2) please don’t ever “hug” me again.

3)while i do agree that rape and asbestos are not at all the same thing, i was making a list of things i think are worse than nudity, not puting them in an order of damage or ranking them according to their serious nature. and yes, i do think asbestos is worse for children than nudity. G…d gave us beautiful bodies and the commandment to live into them. Skin is not something to be ashamed of.



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Puppy Dickens

posted April 13, 2011 at 7:23 pm


Meona,

1) If you “continually sin” then you are still a slave to your nature and God’s grace is impotent and worthless. Your Eastern Orthodox saying is nice and all, but it appears to be doing nothing more than paying lip service to the ordo salutis.

2&4) It is absolutely a straw man to say I equate nudity and pornography and rape. A straw man. Nudity LEADS TO pornography which LEADS TO rape. If you are in danger of the deadly sin of gluttony, it would be a sin to fill your house with cheeseburgers, even though cheeseburgers themselves are not sinful. Nudity causes lust and adultery in your heart, which is just as bad as the actual act. And it LEADS TO even greater filth.

Your defense of Lady Gaga is akin to watching Jerry Springer just so you can “pray for them.” It is patently disingenuous.

Malachi, over the last few weeks I begun to feel that I have been placed in your life for a very specific reason. I pray that you will hear my words of wisdom and feel His love flow through me and into you.



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Tamara

posted April 13, 2011 at 8:19 pm


Puppy insults everyone else’s faith to try to make us believe in hers, exactly her way. Puppy also starts out with a patently false premise and then scorns the rest of us for not immediately seeing her vast wisdom to instruct us in all our ways.

No wonder she’s so easy to dismiss.



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Tamara

posted April 13, 2011 at 8:22 pm


Malachi,

Today, I wonder if God has placed you in my life for a specific reason. We should share a coffee sometime. I could use your words of wisdom on some situations I’ve experienced lately.

Sincerely,

Tamara



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Malachi

posted April 13, 2011 at 8:59 pm


Tamara — Coffee sounds lovely. if I have any wisdom, you are welcome to it.

Puppy — Please don’t think that we are in each others lives. We are strangers who know very little about each other who happen to be in vague dialogue (if it can be called that) on someone’s blog. That does not constitute being a part of someone’s life. Honestly, it is probbly best for both of our relative sanities that we are not a part of each others lives.

If your goal is to allow someone to feel love, perhaps you should read back through the comments you have posted and see if you can find any love anywhere, because from my side, I am not seeing it reflected. I have friends and family who bring the love of G…d into my life, so I am pretty sure I would recognize it if it was in your comments.

Additionally, your paternalistic idea that you can bring wisdom into my life through a series of blog comments is a bit beyond belief. While I do take these conversations seriously, since I feel little but judgment and scorn from you, I am not inclined to take to heart much of what you say. I’m sorry if that it hurtful, but perhaps it will bring some light to you in relation to how you approach these comments. While I will probably never agree with you, I would be more inclined to listen if you were less judgmental and didactic and more conversation and listening.



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Puppy Dickens

posted April 13, 2011 at 10:02 pm


Tamara,

I am not insulting anyone’s faith. I am simply challenging it. If you feel so threatened by my words and arguments I gently encourage you to look deeper at yourself. Purity of spirit mean avoiding, not defending, the ungodly nature of mankind.

Malachi,

My love is one that TELLS YOU if you have something on your face, rather than just letting you walk around with mustard on your lips all day. This is the truest and most sincere love I know how to offer. If this is “paternalistic” then I ask you again what is the source of this implicit misogyny?



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Tamara

posted April 13, 2011 at 10:13 pm


Puppy

How are you understanding your own paternalistic approach to instructing people you encounter on the web with misogyny on the part of Malachi? You’ve mentioned it now three times, and I am completely lost by your accusations.

Also, saying you didn’t insult me doesn’t mean you didn’t. You want everyone else to “look deeper,” but you refuse to heed Malachi’s quite eloquent explanation of why you lack efficacy in these posts.

In short, just because you say something is so doesn’t make it so. Your claims are unfounded; your dichotomies, false; your “love,” misguided. You make it easy to disregard your intended message, simply based the means of your delivery.



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Meona Goodday

posted April 13, 2011 at 10:46 pm


Puppy -

1. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He who is faithful and just will forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us. (1 John 1:8-10). I am not so bold as to say I do not sin or that I do not need salvation daily. If you do not sin, well that is between you and God, and I salute you for it. I however have not yet reached that exalted state.

2 & 4. You keep trying to foist this false premise on us: that nudity = pornography. It does not. Your premise is faulty and based upon a mindset that is purely western and non-Christian. Find a new one.

3. You have yet to answer my question. Does your insistence upon the human body being inherently evil have gnostic roots or does it not? You might want to examine that. The Lord created the man and the woman in the Garden and He called His creation “good”. For you to insist otherwise and call His creation “filth” makes me wonder who you worship.

And yes, you are being insulting as well as condescending and patronizing in the manner by which you insist on “teaching”.

Of course you are going to claim otherwise and continue to insist upon your faulty premise and blah blah blah. You’re rather predictable in that way. Surprise me.



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Malachi

posted April 13, 2011 at 11:27 pm


Puppy — Just look at your love:

“My love is one that TELLS YOU”

if I understand internet etiquette corretly, you are practically yelling at me by using all caps in your statement. If your love is yelling, then I am not at all interested. If your gods love is yelling, I am not at all interested.

And, like Tamara, I am not sure how my use of the term paternalistic means I am misogynistic. I love women. I think women are the most beautiful creatures on the planet. But regardless of my love for women, as far as I am aware paternalistic (while based on a root word for father) paternalism is something that can be practiced by any person of any gender, as it has come to represent an entire attitude, not merely the act of being fatherly.

Read more: http://blog.beliefnet.com/the_prophet_of_pop/2011/04/lady-gaga-the-aanr-and-nudeapalooza.html#ixzz1JSqBa3X3



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The Prophet

posted April 13, 2011 at 11:59 pm


Just a friendly reminder that the only one dispensing true wisdom around here is me. Carry on…

:)

-The Prophet



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Tamara

posted April 14, 2011 at 1:45 pm


PoP,

I am humbled by your wisdom, as I am completely ignorant of most things related to Pop (music, or otherwise).



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Puppy Dickens

posted April 17, 2011 at 3:38 pm


Tamara and Malachi,
The word “paternalism” has been used as a derogatory term for my message. The implication is then that a man or father’s words of wisdom are actually a vehicle for hate, condemnation, or bondage. You do not like what I say so you compare it a man trying to control or hate a woman. This is rather bizarre to me, but still by definition misogyny.

Meona,

1) I hope that you will continually strive for sanctification in the Lord. Do not ever give up and use “well I am human so I always sin” as an excuse for wrong doing. We are called to more than that.

2,4) You continue to bring this strawman even after I demonstrate it as such. Do you not recognize the difference between an equivocation and an implication? By this logic if I claimed that fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate leads to suffering, you would retort that “WHAT IS THIS??? YOU ARE SAYING FEAR=ANGER=HATE=SUFFERING SO I IGNORE EVERYTHING YOU SAY”.

3) I didn’t ignore this. See the cheeseburgers. The human body is not sinful. Willfully and publicly exposing yourself to strangers, or willfully viewing someone doing this, ABSOLUTELY IS SINFUL. It is an act designed to promote lust and adultery. That is what we are talking about.

Let me ask each of you here: when you look upon the sculpted bare human form rearing proudly like a stallion and glitteringly wet with dew and sweat, are you really going to tell me with a straight face that your thoughts turn towards God? Please take the words into your heart.



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