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Oliphant* Should Apologize for this Anti-Palin Cartoon

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Where to begin? Palin doesn’t belong to a Pentecostal church now. When she did, we don’t know if she spoke in tongues. And most important, Speaking in Tongues is a religious practice in which Christians feel the direct presence of the Holy Spirit. Is that really something to mock?
Did the Wa they run a cartoon ridiculing Joe Lieberman for thinking that God spoke through a burning Bush? Or Barack Obama for thinking that Jesus rose from the dead?
Here’s a general rule of thumb: if you look closely, every religion’s practices and beliefs seem idiotic to those who aren’t part of that faith. Yet they’re profoundly meaningful to those who believe.
Really best not to go there in a political campaign..
*I originally wrote Washington Post, but it was WashingtonPost.com and the more I thought about it the more I thought the main culprit is the cartoonist himself



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Michael

posted September 18, 2008 at 12:17 pm


Did they run it, or was it available in their collection of syndicated cartoonists on their website? Oliphant is not their cartoonist.



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Don

posted September 18, 2008 at 1:31 pm


I agree with your point about this cartoon, but, even though I’m Jewish, I don’t think that other people’s religious beliefs are idiotic. In fact, I find a great many similarities.



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Linda Roby

posted September 18, 2008 at 1:49 pm


What is Oliphant doing here?
Stereotyping
…Pentecostals (and if someone goes to a Pentecostal Church, by the way, speaking in tongues is a part of the faith…should anyone be defensive about the fact that Palin might speak in tongues?)
…politicians and their spin on words
…God (or is it the traditional view of the patriarchal figure in heaven with St. Peter at the pearly gates–hope that investments are secure up there)
…and, women
But the only song that I can think of that vaguely might go with this cartoon is one whose main line is that when you are troubled, in need of help and don’t know what to do, well, “Call Him on up…Call Him on up…Get Him on the mainline and Call Him on up.” And, it is a Gospel song, not a Pentecostal one.
The other thing which is interesting about this cartoon is that speaking in tongues is done as a form of praise. When it is done as a form of supplication, it is done, as scripture says because to person at prayer does not know for what to pray and needs the intervention of the Holy Spirit.
Therefore, it would be very clear to God what the Holy Spirit is saying, even if, as Oliphant portrays, the supplicant is not clear.
Having said all of that, this is just a cartoon, and I should not be taking it so seriously. Rather than being in bad taste, I would have to say, I think it is poorly constructed, but, then again, it must be me. I am certain I have missed the point.
Again, here we are on a side issue, Sarah Palin speaking in tongues. Here we are looking at such silliness as these side issues when issues of importance encircle us and threaten to give our candidates for the PRESIDENCY an very real opportunity to show us the type of leadership they have to offer the nation for the next four years.
When are we going to realize that the two main candidates on the ballot for the office of President of the United States will be John McCain and Barack Obama.
Bubble: “Peter, what’s wrong with this phone? All I can hear is some dam’ cartoonist spouting gibberish about that vice-presidential candidate again!”
Response: Nothing on the Presidential
Candidates, Sir?



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jestrfyl

posted September 18, 2008 at 2:15 pm


Candidates keep setting ‘em up and the cartoonists keep knocking ‘em down!
Just when did cartoonists become so critical in religious and political discourse that they are the targets of so much spit & vinegar? The whole mess last year about the Danish cartoons abut Mohammed (and how many conservative xristians said they should cool off, it’s only a cartoon) and now this (as well as the running diatribes about “Doonesbury”) make it seem as if cartoonists control a powerful cabal of opinion and art.
(please imagine the voice of the late, great Don LaFontaine doing this in his best theatrical trailer tones)
In some unmarked artists studio, far above the streets of business and the avenues of politics, there is a dark and intense gathering of the greatest arbiters of opinion in our time. They are nown only as – (powerful music here) – The Cartoonists! Shapers of opinion, warriors against hyocricy, defeaters of inflated ego, this faceless squadron of ink stained charicaturists tell the hordes what to believe and who to ignore. No one knows them, no one can confront them. They are – Cartoonists! Read them, obey them — FEAR them!
We jesters of the world, no matter what our medium, seem to be far more important than we ever thought. Who knew?!



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Charles Cosimano

posted September 18, 2008 at 2:49 pm


No one should ever have to appologize for telling the truth.



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priceofliberty

posted September 18, 2008 at 3:27 pm


“Palin doesn’t belong to a Pentecostal church now.”
Correct. But she did most sane people think she did it for political reasons to not be associated with the pentecostals.
“When she did, we don’t know if she spoke in tongues.”
No we don’t but we do know people in that church do claim to speak in tongues.
“And most important, Speaking in Tongues is a religious practice in which Christians feel the direct presence of the Holy Spirit. Is that really something to mock? ”
Some christians like my self feel that some pentacostals are not telling the truth about there Glossolalia experiences and are not of the holy spirit. Sometimes I feel like those that believe they spoke in tongues are mocking us when they describe it, and get upset when sane people want to test the spirits to see if it was indeed from God.
I think the spirits should be tested when ever a “miricle” spiritual gift is used. Xenoglossy is easier to prove and I thought the apostles were the last to do that part of speaking in tongues.
“Did they run a cartoon ridiculing Joe Lieberman for thinking that God spoke through a burning Bush? Or Barack Obama for thinking that Jesus rose from the dead?”
Maybe they didn’t for Lieberman or Bush. I’m pretty sure that Obama was mocked in cartoons for being both a Christian, and a secret muslim(which he isn’t).
“Here’s a general rule of thumb: if you look closely, every religion’s practices and beliefs seem idiotic to those who aren’t part of that faith. Yet they’re profoundly meaningful to those who believe.”
I agree, however she hid it from the public and is running for public office. Many evangelicals I know are more anti-Glossolalia than I am. One person that speaks many languages swore to me that a person speaking in tongues was blaspheming in arabic. Glossolalia is not something thats common or easily proven to be from God.
“Really best not to go there in a political campaign..”
Again we have a double standard: Its ok to make fun of the religion of Obama(or the fact that someone doesn’t believe him), but its not ok to make fun of Sarah because she might be pentacostal.
The sad truth is that neither should have to be made fun of for what they believe.



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Linda Roby

posted September 18, 2008 at 3:40 pm


We jesters of the world, no matter what our medium, seem to be far more important than we ever thought. Who knew?
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Hmmmm…good thing cartoonists must sign their work…and if their work is in the public domain…and if it is opinion…it may be analyzed…cartoonists know at the release of their cartoon that “art” takes on a life of its own…and so do those drat teachers who have studied journalism and taught it…maybe there is less spit and vinegar and more plain analysis in looking at Oliphant’s work than one might first imagine.
It is a humorous thought (to me) that someone might use their commentary as a moment to speak about their own politics…and, certainly, most people who look at the work of cartoonists, appreciate that work.
AT&T just came out with a study that 95% of communication is nonverbal…well…that seems to give cartoonists some kind of advantage.
Actually, as for caricature in this cartoon, where is it? Is something exaggerated? What seems to be standing out is stereotyping. But, hey, just in case you don’t think the written word is powerful, check the facts: Ghandhi brought down the British Navy with words.
Artists also exercise power, and I would hope artistic energy this election would deal with national and world issues. My personal opinion, of course.



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Steven Waldman

posted September 18, 2008 at 3:50 pm


Priceofliberty,
“Again we have a double standard: Its ok to make fun of the religion of Obama(or the fact that someone doesn’t believe him), but its not ok to make fun of Sarah because she might be pentacostal.”
I’d flip it around: I /did/ complain when Obama’s faith is mocked. And those of us who did complain about that have an obligation to defend Palin now.
It’s impossible to know about the absolute genuineness of someone’s speaking in tongues experience — just as it’s impossible to know whether a Christian is faking when he describes being saved, or a Catholic is faking when they claims to believe in transubstantiation, etc. In interpersonal relations, it’s an easy call: just assume they’re telling the truth and go about your business. Most religious believers, I feel, are absolutely sincere in their descriptions of their own spiritual experiences. And those who aren’t — well, they’ll get their ultimate rewards eventually. I have better things to do than hunt out the frauds.
But admittedly poses a dilemma: we’re supposed to be sniffing out fakery for the most part. And the more the candidate’s offer their faith as a political asset, the more tempting it is to apply traditional modes of scrutiny.
My view, though, is that faith is simply in a different category — that we simply need to give politician’s the benefit of the doubt about their personal faith experiences, at least until they try to impose it on other people. And unless I missed something, Sarah Palin has not tried to force the rest of us to speak in tongues.



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ossicle

posted September 18, 2008 at 4:57 pm


“Really best not to go there in a political campaign.”
Actually, Rod, it’s really best for everyone to go exactly where they want, and the consequences are their responsibility. If this cartoon is so awful, then the newspapers that run it will drop it (or readers will drop the newspaper), etc.
Also, just by the way, the fact that something is “profoundly meaningful” to people doesn’t matter a bit — I’m sure you don’t respect deeply held Scientology beliefs, deeply held polyamory beliefs, deeply held man-boy love beliefs, etc.
But again, this country is predicated on the market sorting all these things out. It’s really best not to try to change that.



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ossicle

posted September 18, 2008 at 5:06 pm


Further on the subject of you privileging certain practices and beliefs: I am quite certain that if someone with a big New Age background were running for office, you wouldn’t mind in the least if cartoonists mocked the person as a hippie, in lotus position, surrounded by burning incense, mouthing New Age babble, etc. And I doubt you mind, say, Mallard Fillmore’s incessant jabs at environmentalists — his mockery of them is of exactly the same type as Oliphant’s in the Palin cartoon.
Apart from that free speech / market dynamic (in my previous post), there’s also another factor: the feelings of the majority. Most people find hard-core New Age people ridiculous, and that makes it more “okay” for them to be mocked in cartoon. Well, news flash: there’s also a widely held belief that Pentacostals who speak in tongues and all that jazz are ridiculous. (Though when it comes to them, your ox is getting gored, so suddenly you mind.)
The standard-issue beliefs of Jews and Christians are not widely held to be ridiculous — though I, of course, think they’re just as ridiculous as Scientology, etc. — so your comparisons to Lieberman and Obama aren’t apt.
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Linda Roby

posted September 18, 2008 at 5:29 pm


You’re right, Ossicle, in bringing up the point that one has to have a standard by which to make a judgment call on this cartoon.
Mine is not the marketplace.
It is stereotyping. It’s that simple.
Nothing more, nothing less.
I have no axe to grind…don’t care who’s on the chopping block…
If journalism has changed and stereotyping is now an acceptable form of humor, I would like a reputable educator to cite some sources for me. Thanks.



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bob c

posted September 18, 2008 at 5:39 pm


truly sickening



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chris fiensy

posted September 18, 2008 at 7:18 pm


Oliphant,
Thank you for continuing to show your colors–you are afraid of Palin and any others who honor God as much as you honor not honoring God and as much as you honor exalting your own vindictive prejudices.
Chris Fiensy Columbus, Ohio



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Viktor

posted September 18, 2008 at 7:28 pm


First of all there is no GOD…speaking in tongues is another way religon tries to control people – Oh she’s speaking in tongues GOD must be talking through her – rubbish! nonsense!
Second this cartoon sums up the GOP’s entire one trick pony manner of getting the uniformed, fearful dim-whitted relgious nitwits to vote for them – scare em and tell em only we can protect them and that GOD is on our side – only half-baked nimrods fall for their tricks.



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Bev

posted September 18, 2008 at 7:44 pm


Our country was founded one the Judeo-Christian world view. Now the mainstream media blatently pokes fun of evangelical Christianity. When this country was in its infancy it was common for Presidents and other elected officials of this country to call upon God. Now if the President calls us to pray he is violating the so called seperation of Church and State.
Oliphant better be thankful that this was not a cartoon about Mohamed or the Koran. That would be religious intollerance. There would be calls to apologize to the Muslims. Never do we see a call to apologize to Christians when they are made fun of in the mainstream press. No wonder the mainstream press is not mainstream any more. Thankfully we have an alternative media in this day and age. Oliphant better be thankful that Christians are forgiving because if this was done to the Muslim religion his life would be threatened. Christians know that they will be persecuted for their beliefs even in this country that is “one Nation, under God”.



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Timothy Davis

posted September 18, 2008 at 7:51 pm


Now, Mr. Oliphant (and Ossicle), in the intersts of fairness change the picture. Put Barak Hussein Obama at a pulpit in Rev. Wright’s church praying on the phone to Allah in Arabic, put Sen. Biden standing next to him with a puzzeled look on his face, and put a characterization of Allah in a cloud picture answering the phone, “Obama who? I thought you became an infidel years ago.”
I wonder how many of your press outlets would publish such an outrageously offensive mis-characterization of Obama and insult on Islam.



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aces

posted September 18, 2008 at 7:56 pm


I urge everyone to just ignore this jerk – he has been a liberal tool forever and is not worth anyone’s time to read or respond!! He will be gone before too long………….retired or whatever…………. and the world will be a better place!



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Steven Waldman

posted September 18, 2008 at 8:00 pm


Bev,
I cant help but use opportunity to plug my book, founding faith, which is about the origins of separation of church and state. It was good christian — evangelical christians — who were the primary advocates for there being a strict separation of church and state. 18th century evangelicals would be appalled at the position taken now by 21st century evangelicals
I agree that a cartoon mocking Muhammed would, and did, draw even more wrath. But let’s not kid ourselves: there’s no religion more subject to attacks and mockery in America today than Islam.
ossicle, you make a great point about the double standard that woudl likely be applied to a new age candidate. You’re right.
If I might generalize a bit, some liberals mock religions that they feel are oppressive or irrational. Some conservatives mock religion they feel is untrue. Both run counter to the spirit of the Founders.
Finally, when I wrote this post I actually wrestled with whether to say that the Post shouldn’t have printed it. I didn’t say that because at that moment I wasn’t sure. I tend to be pretty much of a free speech purist. But just because a newspaper should be allowed to run it, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t criticize the author for his closed-mindedness.



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Judith

posted September 18, 2008 at 8:05 pm


How sad that Oliphant can only express himself by trying to denigrate those of us who believe in God. Oliphant expresses himself through the pain of others rather than their joy. In order to lash out at so many people, his life must be very empty. Don’t hate him because of his ugly viewpoint of others but pity him for his ignorance and all he will miss.



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Stan

posted September 18, 2008 at 8:49 pm


The cartoon is in bad taste. It is no worse than The New Yorker cover with Obama, which falsely indicates he is a Muslim and Michelle was a Black Panther.
Many people were upset and complained about The New Yorker cover, but they stood by the defense of satire. The cover was not satire because it did not contain any element of truth.
There is almost a small element of truth to the Palin cartoon. Palin was selected to appease the Evangelicals.
Steve Waldman says:

Here’s a general rule of thumb: if you look closely, every religion’s practices and beliefs seem idiotic to those who aren’t part of that faith. Yet they’re profoundly meaningful to those who believe.

The same can be said for Rev Wright’s preaching and church, especially for the majority of people that never listened to his entire sermons or read an unbiased source to understand the actual meaning of Rev Wright’s sermons. For an unbiased and educational review:
“The Faith of Barack Obama,” by Stephen Mansfield
http://tinyurl.com/3o7vsk
Mansfield is a pro-life conservative Republican that does not plan to vote for Obama. Mansfield demonstrates a true Christian attitude of not demonizing people that have different views. Mansfield has received death threats since writing the book. Mansfield states in the following video:

What really disappointments me in the church today is the level of hatred about politics. As a follower of Jesus Christ, I am not allowed to hate someone that kills my wife, steal my property. Hatred in the church about politics is sin and it’s got to go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFFWS6ioHJc
To learn more and hear two entire Rev. Wright sermons that were only seen in a few second clips:
http://tinyurl.com/4x52to



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Leticia Velasquez

posted September 18, 2008 at 9:27 pm


Obviously the liberal media is grasping at straws to resort to this kind of smear tactics. Governor Sarah Palin is too formidable an opponent to attack on the issues or her impressive record in Alaska.
Anti-Christian bias always surfaces when rationality fails.



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GLee

posted September 18, 2008 at 9:29 pm


Biblical Scholars say that the unpardonable sin is a fully conscience and stubborn hatred against God such that there is left no disposition for repentance and faith in Christ. Jesus said “whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin. (Mark 3:29) and “He who denies Me before men shall be denied before the angels of God. And everyone who will speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him.” (Luke 12:9-10).
God’s Word says He will not be mocked. Based on Scripture and Christian compassion, if we feel anything toward this man, it should be deep sorrow. Whether or not Oliphant has committed an eternal sin, He has certainly brought himself under the sure judgement of a God whose existance is not dependent on what Oliphant’s believes.



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tinamarie5733

posted September 18, 2008 at 10:26 pm


Olifat is a pompous jerk and should be ignored. Such religious bigotry tells more about him than Sarah Palin. What an amazing woman! She is to be admired for what she has had to endure in one short month. God bless and keep her and may the American people open their eyes to what the liberal media has tried to do to this wonderful woman.



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Heretic for Christ

posted September 18, 2008 at 10:59 pm


Wait a second! Palin herself is the one who has thrust her strident religiosity center-stage, so I hardly think commentators (whether they be serious journalists or editorial cartoonists) should treat it with any more deference than they treat any other political proclamation.
For me, the issue is not whether Palin “speaks in tongues” (an unusually colorful example of the nonsense that comes from misinterpreting the Bible by trying to read it literally) but that she seems to be a borderline dominionist. It is amazing how many Christians have been taught to sit up and salivate at ANYONE who cries “Lord! Lord!” ignoring Jesus’ own words on the difference between the many who cry “Lord! Lord!” meaninglessly and the few who find the narrow path of truth. Palin’s lies and the deafening volume of the religious noises she makes tell me in which group she dwells.



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LeeG

posted September 18, 2008 at 11:38 pm


Uh, HereticforChrist, can we just leave off the last two words?? “He who is without sin, let him cast the first stone.” We are talking about the American right, given by God, to worship God in our own way.
“”It is amazing how many Christians have been taught to sit up and salivate at ANYONE who cries “Lord! Lord!” ignoring Jesus’ own words on the difference between the many who cry “Lord! Lord!” meaninglessly and the few who find the narrow path of truth. Palin’s lies and the deafening volume of the religious noises she makes tell me in which group she dwells.”" Kinda judgmental there, ya think?? You have three fingers pointing back at you!! I happen not to be any kind of Charismatic, but when cartoonists think it is OK to make fun of any type of Christian (Heaven forbid it be a Muslim!! Off with your head!), then it is time to cry foul!! And, by the way, do you REALLY KNOW, without a shadow of a doubt, what “lies” she has told? Or are you going by the MSM, like so many people do?? Sheeple let the media think for them, and parrot their words like birdbrains!!
Put away your garment, Pharisee. You are not better than anyone else, and she, and we, have a right to worship GOD in our own way. If Obama can accept thousands of $$ from Muslims, be reared Muslim, and believe Black Liberation Theory, then Palin can be AoG, and the media needs to stick to ideas, principles, etc. That doesn’t happen, but it doesn’t make it right when they attack her religion.
Payday isn’t always on Friday. The Lord God will reign, and every knee will bow, and every tongue confess, that Jesus Christ is Lord. Hope you are one of them.



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Ted Cromer

posted September 19, 2008 at 12:05 am


“It may be Friday, but Sunday is coming.” God reigns.



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Ricky Goff

posted September 19, 2008 at 12:15 am


I agree with your report that if the cartoonist,Oliphant, wrote anything bad about Mohammad, the Muslims would have his head. No Christian would behead him, even if he did ridicule God Almighty, because we Christians are to love our neighbor as much as we love ourselves. Oliphant will have to take his actions with God Almighty one day. I’ll pray for him.



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Charles

posted September 19, 2008 at 12:28 am


This “cartoonist” is a total jerk and should not even be recognized as having intelligence!



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Jim

posted September 19, 2008 at 1:03 am


Oliphant….you suck.



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Cliff

posted September 19, 2008 at 7:43 am


Oliphant I feel very sorry for you. There is only one unforgiveable sin and that is blasfimy (pardon my spelling) of the holy spirt. Mr. Oliphant, God will not be mocked. I will pray for you Sir.



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Donald

posted September 19, 2008 at 7:44 am


I Am A Christian
~ by Maya Angelou ~
When I say… “I am a Christian”
I’m not shouting “I’m clean livin’.”
I’m whispering “I was lost,”
Now I’m found and forgiven.
When I say… “I am a Christian”
I don’t speak of this with pride.
I’m confessing that I stumble
And need CHRIST to be my guide.
When I say… “I am a Christian”
I’m not trying to be strong.
I’m professing that I’m weak
And need HIS strength to carry on.
When I say… “I am a Christian”
I’m not bragging of success.
I’m admitting I have failed
And need God to clean my mess.
When I say… “I am a Christian”
I’m not claiming to be perfect,
My flaws are far too visible
But, God believes I am worth it.
When I say… “I am a Christian”
I still feel the sting of pain.
I have my share of heartaches!
So I call upon His name.
When I say… “I am a Christian”
I’m not holier than thou,
I’m just a simple sinner
Who received God’s good grace, somehow



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Lori

posted September 19, 2008 at 8:00 am


I feel so sorry for Sara Palin. She is a good woman and she does not deserve to be treated bad like this. That cartoonist owes her a very big appology. And he needs to ask the Good Lord above for forgiveness as well.



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Darlene

posted September 19, 2008 at 8:04 am


How sad that a person God created would stoop so low to make fun of one of his children like that. Just because she has a closer walk with Jesus than they do. How this really must sadden Jesus to see things like this go on when he died on the cross for this Oliphant. Just so you know Oliphant he would have done this if it had only been just YOU!!! I don’t know why he still loves people like you so much too. He’s so merciful and you’re so undeserving but blessed that he is. I think you should apologize but more you need to ask Jesus to forgive you. The Bible says, its a fearful thing to fall in the hands of an angry God, you better hope that’s not you b/c there will be no one that can help you when it comes from him. You should be careful what you say from now on.



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Janis

posted September 19, 2008 at 8:13 am


It is a good thing Gov Palin does have the Lord to help her forgive those who belittle her on everything she does. She is a whole lot bigger than you are. I pray that the Lord forgives you.



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Gigi

posted September 19, 2008 at 8:36 am


Mr. Oliphant, the Lord be with you…
He will, should you humbly come to Him and pray and seek His will and face. It is so apparent that HE is Whom you seek; not the deffaming of Sarah Palin. A relationship with Him is open to anyone who asks. Your fear and almost jealous desire for what authentic believers have is so apparent.



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Heretic for Christ

posted September 19, 2008 at 8:39 am


LeeG,
Yes, we all have the right to believe or not believe as we see fit — no one is questioning that. The cartoon, and my comment, were not about restricting anyone’s religious freedom. Sarah Palin can speak in tongues or worshop the Flying Spaghetti Monster for all I care — but there is a difference between gratuitously attacking a person’s private beliefs and challenging politicians who shove their religiosity into the center ring of public scrutiny in an attempt to portray themselves as “God’s Own Candidate.”
As for her lies, Palin herself, when directly challenged, acknowledged the true sequence of events concerning the infamous Bridge to Nowhere, and then went on repeating her usual dissembling line about having told the federal government to take a hike. Hey, if a good Christian needs to lie to get into office, well, it’s all for a good cause, right?
I repeat my sincere hope that Christian will start paying attention to the actual fruits of those who so loudly cry “Lord! Lord!”



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anonymous

posted September 19, 2008 at 8:47 am


I don’t think the cartoon is making fun of her religious views.
It’s making fun of the fact, and it’s fact as far as I am concerned, that her answers to questions from the press are mostly gibberish.
Don’t think so? How about this gem:
“Of course, it’s a fungible commodity and they don’t flag, you know, the molecules, where it’s going and where it’s not. But in the sense of the Congress today, they know that there are very, very hungry domestic markets that need that oil first. So, I believe that what Congress is going to do also, is not to allow the export bans to such a degree that it’s Americans who get stuck holding the bag without the energy source that is produced here, pumped here. It’s got to flow into our domestic markets first.”



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Sandy

posted September 19, 2008 at 8:52 am


You reap what you sow. I ask God to forgive you before the time of judgement is here.



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anonymous

posted September 19, 2008 at 8:55 am


I don’t understand this concept that one must not attack someone’s religious views.
Why are religious views special among ideas?
And that’s what religious beliefs are: ideas.
Attacking someone for being black, or gay, or a woman, etc., these all seem beyond the pale to me.
But attacking someone’s ideas? Why would that ever be wrong?



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Missy

posted September 19, 2008 at 9:01 am


What an offensive cartoon! Please, someone tell me, why are people SO threatened by and angry at Sarah Palin? Is it so hard to believe that their are women in America who are conservatives? WAKE UP liberal media, we are out here and are not ashamed to say we love God, our country and life for all!! Oh yeah, and where is the microscope to examine Joe Biden’s MANY years of wheeling & dealing in Washington? But that would be attacking a loyal, public servant, wouldn’t it?



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Ruth

posted September 19, 2008 at 9:14 am


Yes, the cartoon is offensive. Yes the cartoonist owes conservatives an apology. Yes the Washington Post owes us an apology.



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Sharon Johnson

posted September 19, 2008 at 9:19 am


What a disgrace that a main stream paper is so low that it would allow such a disgrace to be printed. But I am not surprised. Christians seem to be the regular target for left wing idiots. If this had been done against muslims there would be such a uproar and they would be riots in the street and called for beheading. But then again they would have know that and the cartoon would have never been printed. NO GUTS but they think that it is funny to do it to Christians. This is more than offensive and this hack should no longer have a job. This is not politics it is smear and garbage.
Hey you left wing nuts get a life



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Lisa

posted September 19, 2008 at 9:29 am


Why shouldn’t someone attack someone’s religious views? How about disrespect and disregard and intolerance for another’s faith? How do you think this would go over if it were a jab at a Muslim candidate? What a stupid question! Maybe you need to spend some time in the military learning honor and respect for others. There seem to be a lot of people in this country – especially democrats – who could use some discipline with their tongues. This cartoon is slander if ever I saw it and this guy “Oliphant” has crossed the line. This is not humor, it’s biased, biggotted, intolerant rhetoric and he should be slammed with a lawsuit. There is nothing humorous about slandering another. Ever hear of “baring false witness against your neighbor”? Probably not, because the best laws and principles to live by have been removed from our schools and public places. Get some moral decency people!



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anonymous

posted September 19, 2008 at 9:54 am


“How about disrespect and disregard and intolerance for another’s faith?”
My question is, why is this wrong? You don’t say why.
Unless you are saying that it is ALWAYS “disrespectful” and “intolerant” to attack any ideas or beliefs. Is that your opinion?
Why are religious ideas worthy of special protection?



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Steven Bubb

posted September 19, 2008 at 10:08 am


This cartoon is incredibly insensitive. The blatant disregard for Christianity is amazing. If this cartoonist had made a similar attack on Islam, he would be burned in effigy by the followers of Mohammed and probably have numerous death threats made against him. Yet he feels no remorse about taking jabs at a Christian.
As a Christ follower, we are expected to “turn the other cheek” to these insults. You know, that’s the “Christian” thing to do. However, the true meaning of “turning the other cheek” does quite have that connotation. Check it out, you will see that in the culture of the time, turning the other cheek meant you would have to strike the person with the other hand and that was not the appropriate thing to do. It did not mean, “let everyone who wants to walk all over you.” The artist of this cartoon obviously has no fear of God, and that is a dangerous place to be.



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Don

posted September 19, 2008 at 10:12 am


Would Oliphant have the guts to depict the Muslim religion in a cartoon? I seriously doubt it, nor would the Post print it. This is another example of extreme liberal bias in the Media.



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Carolina

posted September 19, 2008 at 10:17 am


Oh God have mercy on them! This is offensive not just for us the Christians, but for our God! God deserves respect and honor! No wonder our Country is the way it is at this point! Are these people blind?! Don’t they know that our God is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords?! Soon they will know!



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Char

posted September 19, 2008 at 10:19 am


I also am again deeply offended by the Post’s handling of my deeply held beliefs!! How is it possible to so deeply hate a person you cannot possibly really know? I am appalled that this paper would be so insensitive to the many people of faith in this county. Sarah Palin is a Christian, is that so hard to understand? I personally do not speak in toungs, but have friends who do and this is such an offensive way to treat others, I can hardly believe someone of conscience would be of callous as to print these cartoons. I would demand an apology, but also demand that the editor resign!! I am tired of being a punching bag for people who disagree with my beliefs.



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CoWatchmen

posted September 19, 2008 at 10:32 am


If I were Pat Oliphant I would walk very quietly when I entered the Pealy Gates … if he even gets in … so that God doesn’t notice him and throw him into the PIT. While this would not keep someone from going to Heaven it give us an idea of the condition of his heart. He will answer for what he has said as all of us will. We just need to pray that Pat sees the LIGHT before he dies.



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Stephanie Salinas

posted September 19, 2008 at 10:41 am


An anonymous writer asks “Why?” Why shoud something like religion be protected? Then why is it even disrespectful to ridicule someone because they are fat, thin, gay, straight? Why is it intolerable to make a joke on someone because they are different? Aren’t we ALL different? What ever happened to respect and honor even when that person’s choice of religion is different. I have different friends and family with different beliefs. Personally, I’m Christian, but I have the most wonderful Muslim friends that I love and cherish dearly. People, there is a way to respect eachother without ridicule or worse being a person that just hates. Because that’s what it is…a hateful, bitter person lashing out to the easiest target. But then, we have all done that at some point and time in our lives, haven’t we? So my answer is because some person can take his pen and expose his bitterness to the world, there are other people that can take their pen and write meaningful things of substance. Does his cartoon offend me? Sure. Will it affect the rest of my life? Not a chance. I feel sorry for the writer and those who allow such things to be made public. I will pray for you Pat Oliphant and for the Washington Post, I will even pray…in tongues.God bless.



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Sue

posted September 19, 2008 at 10:56 am


Wow, some comics are just not funny. This hits a new low. As I look for civility from both sides in the public discourse, my personal-character-o-meter just swung wildly 180 degrees away from Oliphant’s “cartoon”. Sad. Also sad is the obvious condition of his heart. He needs prayer intervention whether he knows it or obviously not. Jesus would befriend him and show him the Truth. His rejection of it should not be blatantly displayed in the We-Need-To-Be-More-Careful-What-We-Allow-In-Our-Paper-Washington Post, particularly since it offends God, and (at least they should care about this) many of their patrons. Duh. Wake up media and stop giving platform to religiously offensive cat litter liner!!!!



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Karren Turner

posted September 19, 2008 at 11:07 am


It is very offensive to be intolerant of Christianity while claiming to be tolerant(obviously applied to everything but Christianity). Apparently the Post believes that bashing Christianity is acceptable. I think it is deplorable. The Post has displayed its odious bias.



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anonymous

posted September 19, 2008 at 11:11 am


Would it be intolerant and insensitive for me to draw a cartoon making fun of someone who believed that humans and apes have a common ancestor? Would that make me a bigot?
Again, my question is simple: is it only religious ideas that get special protection? Why?



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anonymous

posted September 19, 2008 at 11:15 am


Anyway, you’re really missing the real point of the cartoon.
He’s making fun or her incoherence, not her religion.
And, boy, is she ever incoherent!!



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Angel

posted September 19, 2008 at 11:24 am


If the VP candidate were say Muslim, and made fun of the same way would there be an uproar the that community for Oliphant’s beheading?
Remember the Danish cartoonist in Europe who poked fun at Mohammed?
It is deplorable to say the least. He should apologize to us all as a nation for being that kind of an American. Making fun of any one, gay straight, thin, fat, Christian, Muslim, etc. is just wrong. I am a Christian, and offended, but I will not live my life in upset because of one’s ignorance and lack of respect for others beliefs. It is not special protection, it is RESPECT. Maybe that should be taught to our citizens, more so than tolerance.



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anonymous

posted September 19, 2008 at 11:31 am


So let me get this straight: making fun of anyone, for any reason, is always wrong?



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Chris D.

posted September 19, 2008 at 11:52 am


“Anyway, you’re really missing the real point of the cartoon.
He’s making fun or her incoherence, not her religion.
And, boy, is she ever incoherent!!”
No, he IS making fun of her religion. Maybe you should
put your biases away and reread the cartoon.



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Pat

posted September 19, 2008 at 11:54 am


What I find interesting in all of the comments about this insulting cartoon is that everyone is focused on Sarah Palin and no one seems to notice that the cartoonist has God swearing. I don’t know about the rest of you but the God I worship would not only not use swear words to emphasize what He is saying but His reaction would not be one of anger or disgust – but one of compassion and understanding. To me this indicates the cartoonist doesn’t know much about the subject or the God he is ridiculing.



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anonymous

posted September 19, 2008 at 12:02 pm


Yes, I am biased, however, you are not.
Right.



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Diane

posted September 19, 2008 at 12:14 pm


In response to comment:
“No one should ever have to appologize for telling the truth.”
Funny how that does not seem to apply when Barack Hussein Obama is exposed for his ties to terrorists, Hamas, Rev. Wright, his abortion extremism and his bad mouthing angry wife when they say they hate America, won’t salute the flag, refuse to wear flag pins and accuse people of lying when they show the TRUTH!
No, the guilty want those who expose the truth to apologize. Even now, You Tube has removed and censorsed videos exposing Barack Hussein Obama!



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Bobby

posted September 19, 2008 at 12:17 pm


Oliphant’s views is typical of the liberal style in the media which cannot see the trees for the forest. They are very shortsightedly caught up in themselves because of low self esteem. Oliphant must elevate himself while diminishing others to “feel good” about himself. God’s Word tells us that these types will eventually self destruct and God will prevail.



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anonymous

posted September 19, 2008 at 12:22 pm


“No one should ever have to appologize for telling the truth.”
“Funny how that does not seem to apply when Barack Hussein Obama is exposed for his ties to terrorists, Hamas, Rev. Wright, his abortion extremism and his bad mouthing angry wife when they say they hate America, won’t salute the flag, refuse to wear flag pins and accuse people of lying when they show the TRUTH!”
I’m sorry, but what is your point?
Is someone demanding that you should apologize for saying these things?



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anonymous

posted September 19, 2008 at 12:27 pm


Oh, and talk about truth!
Could you please show us where either Mr. Obama or his wife have said that they “hate America”?
No fair making stuff up!
You saying that here is far, far worse than anything that is said or implied by Oliphant’s cartoon.



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Anonymous

posted September 19, 2008 at 12:38 pm


“Yes, I am biased, however, you are not.
Right.”
It is very clear that the cartoon is making fun of her religion.



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Anonymous

posted September 19, 2008 at 12:43 pm


They didn’t say they hated America. They joined a church that hated America, and stayed in it for 20 years. What is that old saying….
“Actions speak louder than words”?



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Rick

posted September 19, 2008 at 12:51 pm


First thing I noticed is that the cartoonist could not spell a simple word like damn. That should indicate some level of his proficiency in the English language not to mention how careful he isn’t about how he portrays himself and how he presents his arguments.
Second, I agree with Diane on all points of what the press is covering up for their boy Obama. A poll taken among Americans as to whether the press is biased toward extreme liberalism brought an 85% response from those who believe they are biased to the extreme in reporting on Nobama and McCain. Has anyone who is intelligent noticed that Nobama is given considerable more time on his speeches and more air time period than McCain to the tune of 87% to 13%? It is the same game they played with Hillary when she ran against this man-child.
We need substance in the Presidential office, not a mere boy who is not proven in any way, has no record to endear him to anyone but his constituents and family, and is more concerned about his image and his position in society than he will ever be about the citizens of America.
This cartoon is typical of blind, bigoted Dems who don’t care who they hurt as long as they get their boy in office. They speak without thinking and write without class or professionalism and expect the public to be stupid enough to believe them.



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anonymous

posted September 19, 2008 at 12:56 pm


“It is very clear that the cartoon is making fun of her religion.”
It is very clear the cartoon is making fun of her incoherence.



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Anonymous

posted September 19, 2008 at 1:00 pm


“It is very clear the cartoon is making fun of her incoherence.”
But not completely. There is the religious element in the cartoon that CANNOT be overlooked, as that is the main theme of the cartoon.



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anonymous

posted September 19, 2008 at 1:13 pm


“But not completely. There is the religious element in the cartoon that CANNOT be overlooked, as that is the main theme of the cartoon.”
Oh, I agree.
So let me ask this:
Is it okay to make fun of her incoherence?



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Sashie

posted September 19, 2008 at 1:25 pm


Jesting in Cartoons is one thing, slander in Cartoons is another. Mr. Oliphant will probably never release any Muslim equivalant cartoons into the public eye, because he knows that his life would be in danger. But, typical ultra-liberal mentality which beats up on Christians and other faiths, that don’t have a death sentence for those who persecute them and their God (Oh, and please don’t write back about those scant few that bomb abortion clinics, and try to say they are Christians). I think more than anything, Mr. Oliphant portrayed the God of the Universe as some commoner who uses condescension in their speech, and that is plain uncouth.



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anonymous

posted September 19, 2008 at 1:34 pm


It isn’t ok if her religion is used to display her “incoherence”. If the cartoonist in question wants to make fun of her supposed incoherence, fine. Leave her religion out of it.



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anonymous

posted September 19, 2008 at 1:36 pm


The definition of slander is:
“words falsely spoken that damage the reputation of another”
You may not like the cartoon, but there’s nothing false about it.



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anonymous

posted September 19, 2008 at 1:44 pm


“It isn’t ok if her religion is used to display her “incoherence”. If the cartoonist in question wants to make fun of her supposed incoherence, fine. Leave her religion out of it.”
Why? Why is religion special? Why are one’s religious ideas not to be criticized?



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anonymous

posted September 19, 2008 at 1:44 pm


To a Christian, there is much that is false. Did you even read the article?
“Where to begin? Palin doesn’t belong to a Pentecostal church now. When she did, we don’t know if she spoke in tongues. And most important, Speaking in Tongues is a religious practice in which Christians feel the direct presence of the Holy Spirit. Is that really something to mock?”
Even if it isn’t slander, it’s offensive.



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anonymous

posted September 19, 2008 at 1:46 pm


“Why? Why is religion special? Why are one’s religious ideas not to be criticized?”
Is sexual orientation special? Is gender special? Is race special?



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anonymous

posted September 19, 2008 at 1:54 pm


Oliphant isn’t saying that Palin belongs to a Pentecostal church now. He isn’t saying she ever spoke intongues.
He is saying she is incoherent. A lot of people are saying that – even many conservatives!
As for mocking religious views, why is that wrong?
Is it wrong to mock people’s ideas, period? Or only their religious ideas? Why would religious ideas get special treatment?
If it is wrong to mock people’s ideas, then you must have found Palin’s speech at the Republican convention to be truly appalling.



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anonymous

posted September 19, 2008 at 1:56 pm


Sexual orientation, gender, and race are not ideas. They are not beliefs. They are not choices one makes.
These things are innate. They have nothing to do with ideas.



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anonymous

posted September 19, 2008 at 2:06 pm


Religious ideas are, to most truly religious people, a core value, a part of them, if you will. They basically feel that if you insult the religion, you are insulting their God. Atheists and agnostics do not understand where we are coming from, and that is why debates over religion can get so hurtful.



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anonymous

posted September 19, 2008 at 2:09 pm


I apologize, I posted the comment before I was through and didn’t realize until you commented on it.
The last part of my comment was:
“Religion is, to the majority of Christians, just as much a part of them as these.”



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anonymous

posted September 19, 2008 at 2:29 pm


“Religion is, to the majority of Christians, just as much a part of them as these.”
Well, then, what you are setting up is a situation where it is somehow beyond the pale to criticize Christian beliefs.
I’m sorry, but I think that’s pretty ridiculous.
No matter how deeply held, you make a free choice to hold Christian beliefs.
To take an extreme example, I’m certain an Islamic jihadist would say the very same thing about his beliefs – that they are every bit as central to his being.
Yet these beliefs are sometimes used to justify acts of murder.
Are we allowed to mock these beliefs? Yes or no?
Who gets to decide which beliefs can and cannot be criticized? Christians?



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anonymous

posted September 19, 2008 at 2:56 pm


“Atheists and agnostics do not understand where we are coming from…”
The suggestion that atheists and agnostics do not understand deeply-held beliefs is false.
I won’t bother to find it offensive, but it is plainly false.



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Chris D.

posted September 19, 2008 at 2:59 pm


We have the right to criticize as much as the intolerant have the right to ridicule. That is the great thing about America. We also have the right to pull our subscriptions from such garbage. If we were the Islamo-fascists we would be calling for the death of this cartoonist. That is what makes us different as Christians. Do we not have the right to be offended when someone ridicules not only our beliefs, but also the very God we serve? If not, perhaps it is you that is intolerant.



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Chris D.

posted September 19, 2008 at 3:13 pm


I would have to agree with anonymous (I am sure that is not their real name) on one thing. Atheists do know about deeply held spiritual beliefs. It takes a whole lot more faith to believe there is no God and in the whole theory of evolution than to simply believe God created it all. I say this because they believe this in the face of all the evidence that God does exist and that evolution is indeed only a theory.



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anonymous

posted September 19, 2008 at 3:13 pm


Deeply-held beliefs can be either very, very good or they can be very, very bad. Evil.
Saying that beliefs cannot be criticized because they are deeply-held, or sacred, is a very, very dangerous idea.



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sundog

posted September 19, 2008 at 3:20 pm


I know exactly what Mr. Oliphant is saying in his cartoon — he is belittling Christians for their faith and beliefs. Why don’t you be really liberal and non-discriminating, Mr. Oliphant, and draw a few cartoons of Mohammad babbling at a bunch of jihadists, or whatever; or how about using your biting wit by criticizing some homosexuals? Yes, just let someone criticize them and you really get a hornet’s nest stirred up. It doesn’t take much courage to make fun of a group of people who won’t declare you to be an enemy of Mohammad and put a price on your head. Or declare that if you criticize homosexuals you are guilty of a hate crime. Yes, real courage Mr. Oliphant. Real courage.



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anonymous

posted September 19, 2008 at 3:49 pm


By saying that Oliphant should apologize, Waldman is saying that Oliphant should not produce this cartoon.
THAT is the problem.
The idea that you cannot produce a cartoon criticizing someone’s ideas or beliefs is profoundly dangerous.



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anonymous

posted September 19, 2008 at 3:57 pm


You have every right to be as offended as you like. And in response, say anything you like. I think you’d be much better off not caring what Oliphant has to say.
But the idea that your beliefs are not to be criticized is dangerous.
Demanding an apology is the same as saying “you should not do that”.
That’s the problem with Waldman’s article.



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Wayne Pruitt

posted September 19, 2008 at 5:21 pm


Clearly one can see the author needs to realize such pictures towards those he dislikes of the Christian faith actually benefits them because it clearly displays his ntellectualism fails in comparision to the spiritual movment he disdains and has he the slightest idea of what’s going on in America.



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RALPH

posted September 19, 2008 at 5:35 pm


FAITHFUL!!!!
BELIEVING!!!!!
RAPTURE-READY!!!!!!
ON-FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HOW EXCITING THAT AFTER THE COMING RAPTURE, SO MANY WILL REACH ALASKA TO ESCAPE THE CRUEL REIGN OF PIAPS!!!!
A FUTURE INSTALLATION OF THE MORNING AFTER WILL DESCRIBE THE ADVENTURES OF NEWLY-SAVED BILL O’REILLY AND SEAN HANNITY IN THAT VAST LAND AS THEY WITNESS TO THE ESKIMOS WHO WERE LED ASTRAY TO WORSHIP PAINTINGS BY THE SOVIET ORTHODOX CHURCH!!!!!



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Dorey

posted September 19, 2008 at 5:53 pm


Mr. Oliphant proves what every truth loving Conservative knows already; Lefties are don’t even have the ability to believe in their own idoitic philosophies. I dare you to print a nasty negative comment about homosexuals or muslims. I can guarantee that you will be sued before the next edition of this paper hits the streets, if in fact you are not beheaded first. More idiotic than making the stupid comment, is to portray the very idea, that God himself would use that kind of language to define the only people on the planet who refuse to dis-avow the name of Jesus Christ, his only Begotten son, the only people who refuse to dishonor him by telling a child that they have 2 Daddies,(who by the way don’t have 2 daddies, because the make believe dadies were born of a WOMAN), the only people on this planet who have fed more people, built more hospitals, housed more orhpans,and responded to more international crises than any one else, and who won’t comply with the leftist notion that God himself doesn’t even actually exist. Talk about a walking contradiction!!!! Who do you think is the idiot?
Don’t answer that, your brain has been in a knot forever. Palin’s baby is smarter than you!! Duh Duh Duh!!



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Pentecostal, Too

posted September 19, 2008 at 6:19 pm


Mr. Oliphant shows his ignorance of Christianity. We win!



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Anonymous

posted September 19, 2008 at 6:22 pm


It may look funny to someone out there but it it’s sadly bad taste. Nothing classy about it. There is a great deal of ignorance about God out there, and this tells us that the need for others to know how fantastic and awesome our God is, has not entered the mind of some men.



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Linda Honeycutt

posted September 19, 2008 at 6:40 pm


Your comic strip is not funny. You are committing a sin by putting such judgement on Christian people. You should hope that God will forgive you of your sins before you die or you will wake up in HELL. You need to apolize for your stupidity!!!!!!!



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HELEN T

posted September 19, 2008 at 6:42 pm


If Mr. Pat had made a cartoon regarding muslims and their religion, he would have been hung form the nearest tree… for bigotry, but he can attack a protestant church .. Christian church and receive no repromands. He is a mean man and his cartoon was mean spirited. Yes everyone has a right to say what ever they want to say, that is freedom of speech, but when it comes to peoples personal religious choices, it’s very very personal and private and should not be made fun of. I am offended for any religious group. I am not against freedom of speech but I’m against offending any personal religious feelings and religious beliefs. including all those I don’t agree with.



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anonymous

posted September 19, 2008 at 6:48 pm


“I am not against freedom of speech but I’m against offending any personal religious feelings and religious beliefs.”
You can’t have it both ways.



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Charles

posted September 19, 2008 at 6:48 pm


Very interesting? We can’t offend, Muslims, Jews, Blacks, Buddists, Hindus, children, handicapped and the list goes on. Christians, however, are open game. “God is not mocked. Whatsoever a man sows, that will he also reap.”



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anonymous

posted September 19, 2008 at 6:51 pm


“I am not against freedom of speech but I’m against offending any personal religious feelings and religious beliefs.”
Are you only against offending religious feelings and beliefs?
Or are you against offending all feelings and beliefs?
I have a lot of deeply personal feelings and beliefs that are not religious.
Is it wrong to offend those too?
I’m sorry, but I have yet to hear anyone say why religious beliefs come in for this special protection.



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anonymous

posted September 19, 2008 at 6:58 pm


“We can’t offend, Muslims, Jews, Blacks, Buddists, Hindus, children, handicapped and the list goes on.”
You can offend anyone you like.
But why would anyone want to be able to offend blacks and handicapped people?
Goodness! Those aren’t ideas that people choose! They just are.



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Teri Walker

posted September 19, 2008 at 9:21 pm


This man is in danger of the one sin that he can never be forgiven of which is blaspheming the Holy Ghost. When Jesus was here on earth he said that would would be the one unpardonable sin. I am pentecostal and have been all my life. My concern for this man is his soul. I do speak in tongues as my prayer language when I don’t know how to pray about certain situations.



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Heretic for Christ

posted September 19, 2008 at 9:22 pm


Wow! What a load of angry comments from Christians who are offended. Okay, forget the cartoon for a moment and consider this: With no trace of humor, your evangelical types have gone about telling people that their lives are an abomination in the eyes of God and that they are headed for hellfire unless they jettison their rationality and embrace your brand of bibliolatry and blasphemy. And even when that disgusting message is delivered in a warm and friendly “Hi, there, neighbor!” style, doesn’t that, just maybe, qualify as offensive to everyone in the world who is NOT a trinitarian Christian?
I’d say that people whose basic doctrine is an affront to most of humanity and to God’s gift of rationality might do well to examine their own routine offensiveness before they get their shorts in a twist over this cartoon.



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Mimi

posted September 19, 2008 at 9:27 pm


If I were you I would be very careful. It is one thing to make fun of a mortal but to depict God in the manner that you have could bring you some dire consequences. You should be ashamed of yourself but then it is easy for people to make fun of something they know nothing about or understand. I say more power to Sarah Palin for making a stand for what she believes in. She knows where her power and strength comes from. Only ignorance and stupidity depicts the things they have put into this cartoon. I think it is time for Christians to stop allowing everything we believe in to be listed as unimportant and made fun of. We can’t offend other religions, beliefs, alternative life styles, witchcraft, etc. but our Christianity gets shoved to the back burner all of the time and anything goes when it is attacked. We have to remember that Jesus died on the cross for all of mankind, so maybe there is still hope for someone like this person. We just need to prayer that the Holy Spirit would convict this person to the point of repentance.



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Beverly

posted September 19, 2008 at 11:29 pm


Another reason for a seperation of religion and Politics….I don’t like other people messing around in either one. Best if you don’t agree just keep you mouth shut, or in this case, your pencil down. I don’t agree with Ms. Palin but I don’t have to act like her and get nasty about it. My religion teaches me it is a sin to tell lies.



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Greg

posted September 20, 2008 at 4:21 am


It’s open season on evangelical Christians while attacks on all other religious beliefs are forbidden. That should tell us something. Since this situation is clearly predicted in the Bible, then we simply have another proof that the message of the Bible is true. Jesus tells us the truth and the world doesn’t care to understand it. The cartoon displays the so-called artist’s arrogance and disrespect not only for Christians but also for Almighty God. We can expect more and more of this as our country decays from within.



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Greg

posted September 20, 2008 at 4:23 am


A vote for Palin/McCain is vote for liberty and truth!



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Greg

posted September 20, 2008 at 4:37 am


Yahoo for John McCain and Sarah Palin! They are doing so well that the opposition can’t do anything but make vicious, hateful attacks.



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jean margheim

posted September 20, 2008 at 7:52 am


What an ignorant, unfair and stupid cartoon. Anyone who creates this kind of cartoon should examine himself for moral character rather than point fingers at others. You should be ashamed of yourself because you’re criticizing Sarah for something you know nothing about nor if she even practiced what you are accusing her for.but most likely you’re patting yourself on the back right now for a job well done.



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Tena

posted September 20, 2008 at 11:24 am


These people do not realize that they are actually messing with God Who is in us. How terrifying!!!



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Heretic for Christ

posted September 20, 2008 at 12:02 pm


Nope, not gonna let this go. Mimi (Sept 19, at 9:27 p.m.) says, “We can’t offend other religions, beliefs, alternative life styles, witchcraft, etc. but our Christianity gets shoved to the back burner all of the time and anything goes when it is attacked.”
1. Cartoonist Oliphant was not attacking Christianity; he was ridiculing the preposterous public religiosity of Sarah Palin. He was not even necessarily attacking the charismatic branch of Christianity that Palin embraces; maybe he depicted God being baffled by the gibberish she speaks because it IS gibberish. How exactly does one tell the difference between speaking in tongues and mouthing gibberish? (And I repeat, pentacostalists’ understanding of “speaking in tongues” is a perfect and loony example of the nonsense that emerges from misreading the Bible by treating it all literally — and the irony of literalists shouting “Lord! Lord!” when the one they worship as lord was frequently perplexed by his own followers’ tendency to interpret everything literally.)
2. The notion that “We can’t offend other religions…” is a lie. Christian doctrine itself IS offensive to other religions and beliefs, because it says that God consigns everyone EXCEPT Christians to hellfire. If you don’t think that is offensive, then you have no idea what “offensive” means. What I see in all these angry responses is what has become a trait of Christianity in the world of Republican politics in America over the past few decades: the simultaneous posture of chest-thumping triumphalism and piteous whining over imagined persecution.
And so I will once AGAIN repeat my challenge: Jesus said that anyone can cry “Lord! Lord!” and it means nothing; and that we are known by our fruits — what we do, not what doctrines we proclaim. If you truly revere what Jesus taught, don’t you think those words are worthy of consideration?



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revmark

posted September 20, 2008 at 12:31 pm


I think it makes people feel cool, when they take pop shots at the Christians. They feel like it makes them popular, especially since the Christians don’t fight back. When I was growing up, we called that person a bully. Because they only felt safe fighting someone that would not fight back. Once someone would come along that would stand up to them, and fight them, they would cower away, like a dog with it’s tail between it’s legs. Well, I think it is time for the Christians to let people who do this know how they feel. Mr Oliphant, lets talk about your life for a change. You think it is ok to criticize others? In The Bible it says to not try to remove the splinter from your brother’s eye, until you remove the beam from your own eye, then you can see clearly to remove the splinter from your brother’s eye. So, Mr Oliphant, lets hear about your perfect life for a change. At least you probably think it is perfect. Of course at the end of your life, when you are lying on your death bed, and your soul is not right with God, and you are getting ready to take your descending trip to hell, who will be laughing then? Can I be the one to record your last words so that they can be recorded in The Washington Post for all to see. Of course I will make sure they are put into cartoon format. After all, that is what you stand for. Your whole life is nothing but a cartoon. Sooner or later though, that cartoon will end, and you will face reality, when you face The Judge of the quick and the dead, who will make his final judgment on you which will decide where you will spend eternity.
But, here is the real question. If you are so brave, and think you are safe, how come you never take pop shots at Muslims. See, we Christians pray for you, when you take pop shots at us, but the Muslims will kill you if you attack them, with your freedom of speech. So lets see how brave you are, behind your pen. You make fun of Christianity, because you know nothing about it. If you had a true relationship with The Lord, you would never think trash like this funny. I will be praying for your soul.
And to The Washington Post staff.
Maybe what the Christians need to do is not purchase anything that slams God’s people, because Jesus said, what so ever you do to the least of these, my brethren, you do it unto me. And considering I am in a ministry of over 18,000 ministers, and if each one of them tells their congregations not to purchase such papers, and lets say, each congregation has an average of 100 people, that makes 180,000 and if each one of those members tells an average of 10 people, then that is 1,800,000 people that will not buy your paper, because you allow them to say whatever they want, and you continue to carry their comments in your paper, that is quite a loss in sales. So Washington post, what would a loss of say, even 1 million sales do to your overhead?
Maybe you should be a little more discreet on the trash you allow in your paper. See, you carry it because you feel it will boost sales, but it can also drop sales, by those who are offended by it. And I know allot of Christians and Pentecostals that read your paper, and when they are offended, will not purchase it any more. So, do you think you have enough followers of this clown to make up the difference in sales? We will find out.



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posted September 20, 2008 at 12:59 pm


“Of course at the end of your life, when you are lying on your death bed, and your soul is not right with God, and you are getting ready to take your descending trip to hell…”
So, you are deciding who is and who is not going to hell?



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Daniel J. Evans, P. E.

posted September 20, 2008 at 2:19 pm


I am supposing that those who commented before me, whatever their religious beliefs, are doing so in love, to build up and not to tear down their fellow human beings. Perhaps the subject cartoon intends some humor towards every day human life in these United States. Certainly during election campaigns a sense of humor can easily be dampened, if not lost. Perhaps Americans, both right and left, need to be more quick to laugh at ourselves, less quick to anger and to condemn. I am a Catholic Christian, a charismatic Catholic Christian. It is funny to me to see the cartoonist depict God and Peter in such unlikely old caricatures (unless possibly he has no real idea of a creator hinmself) – one is tempted to say he can’t be serious. Whether or not the cartoonist is serious and trying to negatively depict Palin and McCain as really bad people, I think that is not a reason for Ameicans to denegrate any other American in response. I do find it less funny, in cartoon or otherwise, to impugn others beliefs, especially as this cartoon does. Perhaps because the cartoonist understands nothing about others’ religious beliefs. I think the cartoon was both funny and rediculous. If the intention was to impugn faith in general, or particular people’s faiths, then part of the cartoon was offensive and the Post and the cartoonist should apologize. However, the truth will set us all free. If we cannot laugh at ourselves, lets laugh at, and pray for, the cartoonist, God Bless America.



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revmark

posted September 20, 2008 at 4:44 pm


“And so I will once AGAIN repeat my challenge: Jesus said that anyone can cry “Lord! Lord!” and it means nothing; and that we are known by our fruits — what we do, not what doctrines we proclaim. If you truly revere what Jesus taught, don’t you think those words are worthy of consideration?
Posted by: Heretic for Christ | September 20, 2008 12:02 PM”
40 And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’
Matt 25:40
What ever you do to any child of God, you do to Him. Because we are His body. And when you strike at the body, the whole body feels it.
14 Now we exhort you, brethren, warn those who are unruly
1 Thess 5:14
Warn them. Why? To spare their souls from The Wrath of God.
1 “Cry aloud, spare not;
Lift up your voice like a trumpet;
Tell My people their transgression,
And the house of Jacob their sins.
Isaiah 58:1
Spare not, meaning to not try to spare someone’s feelings just to keep them happy with you. Better to hurt ones feelings to push them towards repentance, then to spare their feelings to have their soul lost.
30 A sound heart is life to the body,
But envy is rottenness to the bones.
31 He who oppresses the poor reproaches his Maker,
But he who honors Him has mercy on the needy.
32 The wicked is banished in his wickedness,
But the righteous has a refuge in his death.
33 Wisdom rests in the heart of him who has understanding,
But what is in the heart of fools is made known.
34 Righteousness exalts a nation,
But sin is a reproach to any people.
35 The king’s favor is toward a wise servant,
But his wrath is against him who causes shame
Prov 14:30-35
10 But the Lord is the true God;
He is the living God and the everlasting King.
At His wrath the earth will tremble,
And the nations will not be able to endure His indignation.
Jer 10:10
The whole chapter 3 of Lamentations tells of a man who had to face the wrath of God, and how he realized that God’s mercy is great to those who are repentant.
21 Yes, I will gather you and blow on you with the fire of My wrath, and you shall be melted in its midst. 22 As silver is melted in the midst of a furnace, so shall you be melted in its midst; then you shall know that I, the Lord, have poured out My fury on you.’ ”
Ezek 22:21-22
2 God is jealous, and the Lord avenges;
The Lord avenges and is furious.
The Lord will take vengeance on His adversaries,
And He reserves wrath for His enemies;
3 The Lord is slow to anger and great in power,
And will not at all acquit the wicked.
Nahum 1:2-3
5 But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: 7 eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; 8 but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness–indignation and wrath,
Romans 2:5-8
5 But if our unrighteousness demonstrates the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unjust who inflicts wrath? (I speak as a man.) 6 Certainly not! For then how will God judge the world?
Romans 3:5-6
6 Because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience, 7 in which you yourselves once walked when you lived in them. 8 But now you yourselves are to put off all these: anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy language out of your mouth.
Col 3:6-8
15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”
Rev 6:15-17
I think these say it all about God’s wrath on those who disobey Him.
And of course my disclaimer.
20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
1 Tim 5:20
1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
2 Tim 4:1-2
So take it as you choose, but when he attacked Governor Palin, he attacked Jesus, and therefore needs to be rebuked.



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posted September 20, 2008 at 8:27 pm


Oh. So according to the Bible-besotted revmark, to attack Sarah Palin is to attack Jesus.
I don’t think it is possible to comment on the absurdity of that statement. But I will make this observation: I issued a challenge — that Christians pay attention to the words of Jesus himself, when he said that crying “Lord! Lord!” means nothing, and that we are known by our fruits; what we do in our lives, not how loudly we can make religious noises. And revmark quoted my challenge, as if he were about to answer it — but all he offers is a torrent of proof-texting.
revmark, you and your fellow bibliolaters form a huge army — but you cannot be a huge army and simultaneously be the few who find the narrow path of truth. You will never find that path because you refuse to take your noses out of your Bibles; because instead of listening to the true teachings OF Jesus, you listen only to false teachings ABOUT Jesus. Jesus devoted his life to teaching a life-affirming message about the presence of the spirit of God in all of us. In mangling that message on a daily basis, you crucify him anew on a daily basis.



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posted September 21, 2008 at 1:33 pm


“So, you are deciding who is and who is not going to hell?”
Nope, it was decided by Jesus over 2000 years ago. I am just a messenger, I didn’t write the message.
15 Let death seize them;
Let them go down alive into hell,
For wickedness is in their dwellings and among them.
Psalms 55:15
15 And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.
Mark 16:15-16
28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Matt 10:28
11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
Rev 20:11-15
The One on The Great White Throne, as described above, will decide who goes into the Lake of Fire, which is hell, which is also called, the second death, where the soul is destroyed.
So you can’t blame that on me, I didn’t create the judgement, so take that up with The One Who sits on The Great White Throne, if you don’t agree.
8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
Jesus constantly taught us how to avoid that last judgement, and when we ignore it, we are sent to hell, and that goes for all of us. We all live under the same rules. If you take note, the statement I made included, if your soul is not right. That is not right according to Jesus, not me.
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Anonymous

posted September 21, 2008 at 1:51 pm


Is this last (Sept 21, 1:33 p.m.) from revmark again, or a different blasphemer?
I am truly flabbergasted at the way bibliolaters insult God and insult most people in the world, and then act offended when others fail to show reverence for their form of idol-worship.



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revmark

posted September 21, 2008 at 2:02 pm


“You will never find that path because you refuse to take your noses out of your Bibles; because instead of listening to the true teachings OF Jesus, you listen only to false teachings ABOUT Jesus. Jesus devoted his life to teaching a life-affirming message about the presence of the spirit of God in all of us. In mangling that message on a daily basis, you crucify him anew on a daily basis.”
Take my nose out of my Bible, to learn about Jesus? Ok Einstein, so where else do I learn about Jesus, other then The Bible? I think you are a bit confused.
1 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! 6 For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, 7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8 Now as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith; 9 but they will progress no further, for their folly will be manifest to all, as theirs also was.
2 Tim 3:1-9
So, if you don’t read The Bible, from which one of the other teachings does your knowledge of Jesus come.
Or are you one that only looks at the passionate side of God, and ignores the wrathful side. One that sits there saying, “It’s ok that you choose to live in the homosexual lifestyle, or you are an adulterer, God is a God of Love, and He will overlook your lifestyle.”
And totally over looks God’s judgement that He Himself said would come on those that did not believe.
That is a nice fairy tale, but it is not reality. The Bible is the only source we have to learn about Jesus and His ways.
14 But you must continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them, 15 and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
2 Tim 3:14-17
Well, this ends my part in this conversation, because all you want to do is argue, and The Bible also warns against that, and I refuse to do that.
The Bible is open for all, not just me, and I suggest you read it, and with understanding, so that you stop contradicting yourself, and Scripture.
Read 1 Corinthians chapter 2 for how to read it with understanding.
May God richly bless you as you discover His word.



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cld

posted September 21, 2008 at 2:43 pm


The “cartoon” maligning speaking in tongues is offensive to me as well as many believers in the God of Abraham, Isaac , and Jacob. He is Jehovah…God the Father …God the Son(Jesus) and God the Holy Spirit…
Speaking in tongues is a gift from the Holy Spirit that allows us to pray (Talk) to God in power and according to His will. It is not right to speak or write anything that is not done out of love.
Ephesians 3:16……..I pray that out of His glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through His Spirit in your inner being so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith.



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Chuck Weaver

posted September 21, 2008 at 4:10 pm


The Dems have been “speaking in tongues” for many decades, Saying one thing but meaning another. The “poor man’s” party – but look who raised the most money – Obama or MCain. They speak to obtain votes, but usually act the opposite of what they say. At least MRS. Sarah Polin speaks with a “tongue” that can be heard and believed.



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Anonymous

posted September 21, 2008 at 4:42 pm


revmark,
Yes, of course, the Bible is the only source of our knowledge of Jesus’ teachings. But to get the meaning of those teachings, one cannot just read literally. Even in the Hebrew scriptures, we read that God says to us, “Come, let us reason together.” REASON, THOUGHT, RATIONALITY, MIND — these are the meanings of Logos in John 1:1 (no, I don’t speak Greek; but I do trust Yale theologian Jaroslav Pelikan, who does). If you read everything literally, you miss everything. Maybe, just maybe, that is why Jesus kept showing his followers to look beneath the written word to find the spiritual meaning. Bibliolaters like you never get to the spiritual meaning because you refuse to get past the written word. This is why all you can do is fling Bible quotes around; a tape recorder could do the same thing.
I have frequently been asked how I presume to know the spiritual meaning of the written word; or how I know those parts of the Bible that are to be interpreted literally vs allegorically; or how I know which parts are true vs garbled vs arrant nonsense. My answer: I open my mind and heart to what rings spiritually true for me. If I took any other approach, I would be a damned hypocrite, no matter how loudly I shouted “Yes, Lord, I believe!” And then I am asked, “But what if you are wrong?” Well, what if I am? I am not a hypocrite or a blasphemer. And the notion that it is safer to accept everything as true just as written is just circular reasoning: “I declare that all is true, so it is safer to believe that it is all true.” And what if YOU are wrong? Then you have blasphemed against God because you placed your primary faith in a tangible object instead of in the living presence of God-within-you.
Absolutely, revmark, do NOT answer. Just think — you know, as if God gave you rationality for a purpose, like maybe using it? Such as to the topic at hand: Is Sarah Palin worthy of your support just because she shouts “Lord! Lord!”? She is a documented liar; she admitted under direct question that she didn’t actually tell the federal government to take a hike with the “Bridge to Nowhere” — and then she went right on repeating the lie. Now tell me, revmark: where does lying in tongues fit into your theology?



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Alison Crane

posted September 22, 2008 at 1:23 pm


and what is this- God using ugly language?!?! I am less concerned about Oliphant’s idea of Palin, than I am outraged at him putting bad language in God’s mouth! That is disgusting! If you don’t personally know the Lord (obviously this man doesn’t), how can you pretend to know what He says?!



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Anonymous

posted September 22, 2008 at 2:32 pm


Gosh, Allison! You personally know the Lord? What kind of guy is he? What’s his favorite color? Does he watch reality-TV shows? Does he have a favorite song?
See, God speaks to me, too, but not in any way that I could relate as words, so I have no idea whether God would ever say what the cartoonist portrays him as saying. My impression is that God is a kind of no-nonsense fellow, so I would guess that the dialog in the cartoon could be pretty accurate. But you obviously know God well enough to have him over for coffee and chit-chat, so I’ll defer to your sense of how he talks.



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posted September 22, 2008 at 2:34 pm


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Scruffy

posted September 22, 2008 at 7:39 pm


God save us from the self righteousness of our “God Appointed” poloticians. Oliphant* is funny even when he starizes the Dems (or is that the Damns?).



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American by birth, Christian by choice!

posted September 23, 2008 at 8:21 am


Well, there goes another cancellation to the Washington Post!!!



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David Hanson

posted September 23, 2008 at 1:12 pm


I can’t imagine why any Christian would subscribe to the most liberal rag in the country, the Washington Post. Who cares what those atheists think anyway? They will be the ones wailing and gnashing their teeth.



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anonymous

posted September 23, 2008 at 1:29 pm


“I can’t imagine why any Christian would subscribe to the most liberal rag in the country, the Washington Post. Who cares what those atheists think anyway? They will be the ones wailing and gnashing their teeth.”
David Hanson, what’s up with all the hate?
Are you a Christian?
Love thy neighbor!



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Dennis

posted September 23, 2008 at 6:00 pm


Anonymous…..
“Are you a Christian?”
“Love thy neighbor!”
He is demonstrating the “love thy neighbor” concept. Why do you think that is hate?
Oh, I get it. It is ok to be disrespectful to someone and mock God but if you point that out and decide not to enable them by not buying their product you are hateful.
I believe it is very necessary to draw limits on what you will participate in. I don’t find the cartoon particularly funny and it is certainly not uplifting in any way. I don’t agree that it benefits society in any way.
I won’t be subscribing to the Washington Post either….does that also constitute hate or am I just excercising my right to disagree.
By the way, I will not support any magazine, newspaper or other news outlet that portrays God or people with that kind of disrespect and ridicules their beliefs. And I try to love my neighbor even if I disagree with their sin. I sincerely hope that they will do the same for me as I am a sinner also.



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Ann

posted September 23, 2008 at 6:30 pm


Obama got beat up for spending 20 years at his church in Chicago. Yet, when someone points out the crazy things going on in the church Sarah Palin went to for 20 years, it’s supposed to be off limits?
Sorry, but every American has the right to question (and even laugh) at the extreme Pentacostal beliefs of Sarah Palin. Do a YouTube search for “Palin Pentacostal” and you’ll see a lot of things far more scarier than just speaking tongues.
The GOP has marketed Palin as a “nice mom who goes to church”. However, a quick search on the internet will show you that her “church” is more like an extremist cult of people who are looking forward to the End Times and Armageddon.
Sarah Palin is NOT a mainstream Christian. We have every right to know what she believes and how extreme her religious views are. Some will find it funny, some will find it disturbing, but very few will find it “normal”. This isn’t an “attack on Christianity”. It’s just the same way some people look at Pentacostal Snake Handlers in the South.



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Holly

posted September 25, 2008 at 10:36 am


There is nothing humorous about attacks on a person’s faith. Palin’s pentacostal church is no more “scary” than that of Barack Obama. Do you see similar cartoons attacking his faith?



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sid

posted September 26, 2008 at 1:05 pm


>Speaking in Tongues is a religious practice in which Christians feel the direct presence of the Holy Spirit. Is that really something to mock?
I think it is self-mocking, myself. But just in case people don’t fully appreciate how utterly ridiculous and, well, insane it is, a little outside mockery can’t hurt. It’s fine if people want to believe in fairy tales, but if they decide to not only make them public but actually bring them into the realm of public affairs, they are fair game.



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Rob Bradford

posted September 26, 2008 at 5:12 pm


I loved the cartoon. People should be made aware of a potential vice president practicing such a silly thing. An individual who is not a public figure should not be signaled out, however.



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Bryan

posted September 26, 2008 at 5:24 pm


As you all may or may not be aware, the WashingtonPost.com posted a cartoon of Sarah Palin, McCain and “God”. This cartoon was very offensive and showed how the Washington Post is bias and Anti-Christian. Although the Post states that they are fair and non-political and tolerant of religions, this cartoon shows and proves that they are not. Many letters have been sent to the Editor who has responded with a formal “canned” response about the Washington Post 5th amendment. The Washington Post stated last year that they would NOT post the Muslim cartoon (click link below). This is why the Washington Post is not a reliable source and this should be pointed out in the media.
Protest the Post is now organizing a media blitz to bring this cartoon and the Washington Post’s actions to light. Many of the talk shows have been contacted as well as Christian organizations around the US. We are asking for Christians to sign up on our site and post your views. We will be organizing a protest on the steps of the Washington Post Headquarters in DC in the near future.
It is time for the Christians to unite with one voice and stand up to the media to protect our values and faith in this crucial time in our country.
Please sign up today!
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Thomas

posted September 26, 2008 at 6:54 pm


The majority of Christians responding here is frightening. I sincerely believe that you would rise up against the United States government and its citizens if a charismatic enough “Christian” leader commanded you too. You can’t be trusted because you reject logic. Fanaticism is a frightening thing no matter what your belief system. The US is fighting a war against people just like you in the Middle East.
We are so complacent about every atrocity in the world but when we sense the tiniest slight against our personal philosophies we get angry and demand justice. I realize that the militant radical Christians among us were offended by this cartoon, but we Americans understand that satire is protected by the First Amendment.
So, militant radical Christians, your assignment for repatriation is this: 1) Defend someone’s beliefs that are not your own. 2) Actually pray for people and stop declaring “I’ll pray for you” in a facetious, passive aggressive way. 3) Pro-life supporters… I expect your family to contain at least one adopted child. Do these things and your American neighbors will start taking you seriously.



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Alan Solomon

posted September 26, 2008 at 9:03 pm


A wonderful cartoon.



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Jonah Goldberg

posted September 26, 2008 at 11:21 pm


Should you be mocked for speaking gibberish and claiming it is the supernatural speaking through you?
yup.



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Billy

posted September 27, 2008 at 2:53 am


Perhaps the cartoon was not intended to mock Christians, or even speaking in tongues, but instead was an attempt to show McCain’s choice of Palin for what it was — an appeal to Christian fundamentalists, a ploy to fire up his base.



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The Great Blue

posted September 27, 2008 at 4:09 am


Hey if you don’t believe in invisible people it is not at all offencive. If you do, well, you believe in invisible people, how are we suppose to take your views seriously? Grow up Americans. The rest of the western world stopped believing in all this nonsense long ago.



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Simon

posted September 27, 2008 at 10:08 am


“Palin doesn’t belong to a Pentecostal church now.”
Funny. She is still a regular speaker at her church and was recently blessed by the mighty African Witch Slayer. The video is available everywhere.



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Cabbi

posted September 27, 2008 at 11:53 am


As a form of satire, the cartoon rises or falls on the tide of support it receives from its readers. If it’s funny, it’s a success. It is well to have been drawn, written and or published. If it is found to be primarily means spirited, thus not well received, the author will be admonished in publications like this and others. Either way the author must make up his own mind as to whether it was good work, good enough to publish. That is his job. Only he (and his editor) make that final decision.
Our comments are our “votes” which may or may not influence the author, but may sway the editor.
Therefore I vote “yes”, this is a funny piece. To think we may be about to hand the position second to that of the President of the United States of America to a person involved in religious practices here to fore seen as marginal, at best, is outrageous, as is the suggestion that anyone has a “hot line” to God.
If all I have is my vote and my sense of humor, I praise Oliphant for reminding me of that pair of life saving influences. Without them I would be in a blue rage, fruitlessly shaking my fist at all the things that rule my life, over which I have no influence whatsoever.
Steve Boyle
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WarDog

posted September 27, 2008 at 11:56 am


I think Oliphant should get a medal and you who run around talking to your imaginary friend should get a life.



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Curt Steinmetz

posted September 27, 2008 at 12:50 pm


Obama has invisible friends too – so Oliphant is merely engaging in the most blatant hypocrisy.
Barack Obama:
“I believe in an awesome God.”
“I am a committed Christian, guided by my Christian faith.”
“I believe in the power of prayer.”
“Marriage is a sacred union between a man and a woman.”
“I ask in the name of Jesus Christ that my sins are forgiven, that my family is protected and that I am an instrument of God’s will.”
“We will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick … this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal.”
“We are the ones we have been waiting for.”



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Garfish

posted September 27, 2008 at 3:39 pm


Well I see the Taliban has weighed in…..



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False Profits

posted September 27, 2008 at 9:40 pm


The cartoon is funny satire. Deal with it.
The key point is the gaggles of hate-mongering, hypocritically pious Christian extremists who presuppose to know they are “God’s people” and know what He wants is as far removed from that as they possibly could be. (The Book of Jude warned of these false prophets about 2,000 years ago).
Right wing Christians are like classic schoolyard bullies. They love to dish out the punishment, but when something is said, written or drawn that rings all too true, hits too close to home and hurts their feelings they pee their pants and cry foul.
Cry me a river, fundies.



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Chris

posted September 28, 2008 at 1:23 pm


Absolutely her beliefs are to be mocked. Why is it we can’t mock religious beliefs? They are no different from political beliefs, infact, they happen to be less REAL. What we have to realize is, if she believes everything happens according to plan by god, then we have to realize that she believes god has nominated her to be VP and that if McCain dies and she becomes president that is divine will!! This is a very scary proposition, considering the assemblies of god movement she belongs to are all to ready to go up in the rapture.



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posted September 28, 2008 at 9:09 pm


It is truly funny that religious people, southerners and rednecks can be made fun of all day long. You can belittle Sarah Palin for her religion but forget Obama’s pastor that taught anti-americanism in his pulpit. You can forget that Obama refuses to wear an American flag pin, take his oath on the Holy Bible nor hold his hand over his heart with the Pledge of Aggegiance. These are the things our forefathers fought and died for and if he is so against it (or anyone else), you need to take yourself to a country that believes as you instead of trying to rob us of heritage and our beliefs. Love American or leave it. Your freedoms are destroying our country, our children and our lives. Ruby Reel



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Mike

posted September 28, 2008 at 10:57 pm


Get over it. When you inject your values into the political arena, you better be able to handle criticism of your beliefs. Face it, America is sick of right-wing Christians’ attempts to have it both ways: You feel free to criticize everyone else, but when someone returns fire, you play the victim. Christian hypocrisy is a big part of the reason why the GOP went from having the White House and both Houses of Congress in 2004 to losing Congress in 2006 to, yes, losing the White House in about a month.



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Disbelief

posted September 28, 2008 at 11:29 pm


Ruby Reel, are you for real?
I guess you didn’t watch the debate, in which Obama kicked the sorry Grandpa’s a** all around the various issues, all while wearing your cherished flag pin (McCain forgot his, or perhaps refuses to wear one)!
The thing about not swearing on the Bible was a Republican lie.
And why don’t you read a little bit about the actual history of the country, none of the founding fathers were Christian. None of them. They established Freedom of Religion as one of the guiding principles in this country so that people of all persuasions could be equal here–not only Christians but even Jews, Atheists, or (gasp!) Muslims!



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supergranny

posted September 29, 2008 at 7:13 am


It is my ‘BELIEF’ that I can laugh at whatever I find funny regardless of others being offended. Palin is a joke. Her demographics are the mouth breathers, tongue flickers and teeth suckers. Ha Ha Ha, Ho Ho Ho. There I did it–I laughed at that thick-headed, righteous, smarmy GOP tool, Mama ‘blast away at the wildlife’ Palin.
Speaking in tongues is an acquired art form, she probably couldn’t master it, it’s a a free-form expression, televangelists have got it down and drag it out when the moment is appropriate.
Religions are so easily offended, ignoring real problems that are about survival or personal freedoms.



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posted September 29, 2008 at 11:40 am


Hahaha, it is funny because it is true.



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Anonymous Non-believer

posted September 29, 2008 at 11:48 am


Oh please. Get off your high horse and realize that religion can be mocked just like anything else.
There are plenty of people in this country who are sick and tired of the blurring of lines between politics and religion.
You want to tie religion and politics together? Fine. Here’s an idea:
When Obama is President, he should remove the tax-exempt status on churches as a way to pay for the $700 billion bailout. It’d be a step in the right direction, at least.
Otherwise, shut the hell up, retreat back into your churches for comfort and leave the rest of us alone. We like our Constitutional rights just the way they are without religious fundamentalists trying to tell us how to vote, legally restrict what we can do with our bodies and who we can marry.



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In Great Falls VA

posted September 29, 2008 at 12:06 pm


It’s funny. And it’s offensive to some. Those are the criteria for a good political cartoon.
Ruby Reel makes a number of false claims: Obama doesn’t wear a flag pin; actually he does now. Just take a look.
Obama doesn’t hold his hand over his heart when saying the Pledge of Allegiance (she wrote Aggegiance, but I think I know what she meant). Actually, he often does, but I don’t because when I grew up the ‘civilian salute’ was simply standing at attention. Frankly, I don’t like the hand-on-heart very much because it’s just enforced piety. Remember that the Pledge is a late 19th Century creation, not originally nationalistic for the US. And remember that the “under God” bit was grafted in by right wingers during the Eisenhower administration.
And she claims that Obama doesn’t take an oath on the bible. Actually, he did. But where in the Constitution is such a religious test required? Nowhere, obviously.
If I am ever sworn in to a high office, I will take my oath on a Jewish prayer book that belonged to my father-in-law’s father. It survived the Holocaust in Nazi Germany intact, and deserves such an honor.



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brenda

posted September 29, 2008 at 12:09 pm


Sorry…no apologies should be issued on this one. Free country and religion has no place in politics. If you can’t stand the heat…
Brenda



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Aaron

posted September 29, 2008 at 2:06 pm


“And most important, Speaking in Tongues is a religious practice in which Christians feel the direct presence of the Holy Spirit. Is that really something to mock?”
Most definitely yes. If I began spouting jibberish and later claimed it was because I was feeling the direct presence of pink elephants no one would think twice of mocking me. As long as it’s an invisible man-ghost and not pink elephants, it’s beyond reproach.
Silly.



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d

posted September 29, 2008 at 2:59 pm


Hilarious



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JJ

posted September 29, 2008 at 4:27 pm


Funny and sad at the same time!
Most saddening fact is that Palin was chosen at all, and that this joke
is closer to reality than real life at this highest Govt. level should allow!
Regardless – it is a joke, and I certainly did LOL.
Palin, as evidenced via the Couric interview, is so far out of her league, I wish she could get the direct help from a supreme being!
We need it – not her!



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Morgan Goss

posted September 29, 2008 at 6:31 pm


“But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. They said to you, ‘In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.’ These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit. But you, dear friends, build yourselves up in your most holy faith and PRAY in the HOLY SPIRIT. Keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life. Be merciful to those who doubt; snatch others from the fire and save them; to others, show mercy, mixed with fear-hating even the clothing stain by corrupted flesh.”
Jude 1:17-23
As Christians, you can’t pick and choose what scriptures to believe. God’s word is forever the same. In the Book of Acts the church was filled with the Holy Spirit and those people went out and won many people to God. And most of the converts were filled with the Holy Spirit too, which disproves that this Gift was only for the apostles. Why can’t people take God’s word literally? He is not a poet, He means what He says. The Holy Spirit is God’s presence on the Earth, and He is a person who is grieved when rejected. He wants you so much to know Him, but it’s a matter of your heart. Please don’t resist God!! He loves each of us so much.



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Tom Paine

posted September 29, 2008 at 7:44 pm


This is a great cartoon and the WP should not grovel or apologize. I’ll be those whiny pentacostals were howling at the Islamic cartoon in the Danish paper (remember, the one that death threats were made about). If your god is that powerful, a little cartoon won’t affect him. However, if he is imaginary, then picking on him will certainly offend you.



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Stephen Smith

posted September 30, 2008 at 12:22 am


Yes – speaking in tongues is something to mock. Any idiot stupid enough to believe in such rediculous superstition should stay further than Alaska from foreign policy. She and her religious right friends are the truly appalling imbiciles who should relocate to Guyana – not a bad idea to follow in the same footsteps as Brother Jim. I’ll lease the plane(s) for any right winger who is ready to board immediately.
Amen



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Tom

posted September 30, 2008 at 3:19 pm


You hit it on the head. Every religion’s beliefs, if looked at, are idiotic. It is only unquestioning faith that gives them credibility. So anyone who holds up their religious beliefs as evidence of their competency is making a fool’s argument. Religion has no place in matters of state, just like our founders intended.
It is a pretty funny cartoon. Oliphant can sure draw!



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anna

posted September 30, 2008 at 4:32 pm


I think the cartoon is more a reference to her babbling in interviews than her actually speaking in tongues.



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Patrick

posted September 30, 2008 at 5:41 pm


A Palindrome is something you say forwards or backwards and it makes as much sense either way.
I’m an atheist. So from my perspective if you perceive you are talking to someone who isn’t there then to me that is being delusional.
Remember I am not turning my back og Jesus. I am saying he does not exist. Therefore if you believe in him or believe you can fly you are to me delusional. But to speak in tongues too?
Crazy people do this without speaking to God. I have trouble differentiating between the two.
So…I think its an amusing cartoon. But mostly because i think he is bogus. Her religious views, including her blessing from the witch hunter are meaningless to me.



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Yo Joe

posted October 1, 2008 at 12:58 am


I can be very sympathetic to this point of view, and frankly, “in an ideal America,” there’s be no “religious test” for public office (think I read that in the Constitution or something). But unfortunately, a lot of politicians (let’s just for shorthand say “GOP”) want to use religion as a sword and a shield.
In other words … “Well, I’m a believer in Jesus (the other guy’s secretly a Muslim, wink-wink), and don’t you want a true Christian in office?”
While at the same time … “My religious beliefs are sacred and not a proper topic of public discussion.”
Snake handlers should be left to their own devices. The Amish are free to live as they see fit. Scientology can peddle Dianetics to their heart’s content. All that good stuff. But if it’s oh so important to a segment of voters that the person they elect be Christian (and not, you know, secretly Muslim wink-wink), then I think we ought to put those beliefs to the same scrutiny you would any other personal conviction.
It’s either moot to public office, or it’s fair game for public discourse.



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DaveM

posted October 2, 2008 at 12:24 am


So Tom is saying certain people should be excluded from politics. Go to Washington DC & see how many references to religion there are.
Oliphant continually trashes Israel. He accused Israel of genocide once and was wrong but I guess being a political cartoonist means you never have to say you’re sorry.



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Brent

posted October 3, 2008 at 9:07 am


Christians have been persecuted in every nation, in every society, in every corner of history since He first walked the planet.
I’m not complaining, He told us it would happen, and taught us to accept it.
This is very important in the US today, as we are the most vocally free nation. We all have the right to voice our opinions and beliefs.
Certain groups have made clear their belief in Him, and as such must accept that there are people who will disagree, mock, and persecute in every possible free-speech way they can.
Politicians who choose to stand on a pulpit praising Him for the good, need to realize they will get hit with the pulpit during the bad.
The cartoonist may have stepped out of line with our beliefs, but we must recognize his right to do so as we recognize our right to choose to vote for people who “embody” the proper Christian beiefs and values.



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john cronin

posted October 3, 2008 at 10:01 am


I find the cartoon brilliant. As one working academically in philosophy and theology all I can say is anything that can save us from those 2 incompetents after 8 years of Bush catastrophe is a godsend.



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Blue Idaho

posted October 3, 2008 at 3:03 pm


Give me a break. Palin is a wacko and so is her x-church.



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erin

posted October 5, 2008 at 1:08 pm


oh this is hysterical!!!! i come from a charismatic christian background and i’m not offended in the slightest…people need to calm down and loosen up. it’s a joke (based on truth, scarily enough) and whoever wrote this needs to take a serious chill pill.



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John

posted October 8, 2008 at 4:09 pm


“Speaking in Tongues is a religious practice in which Christians feel the direct presence of the Holy Spirit. Is that really something to mock?” …uh, yes!!!



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Hank

posted October 25, 2008 at 11:12 am


Confirming the ill effects of Palin rhetoric, we are seeing an increasing number of palinitis cases:
More and more people are complaining of symptoms like nausea, headache, irritability and dysphoria (as opposed to euphoria). The symptoms are reported to occur when these individuals are exposed to speeches and television appearances of Gov. Sarah Palin. Subsequently, the condition has been coined ‘Palinitis’.
Extended exposure to Gov. Palin’s voice and words causes more severe symptoms and has thus been named ‘palinitis gravis’. In addition to the aforementioned undesirable sensations and feelings, sufferers of the severe form of palinitis have reported ringing in the ears, loss of the ability to think coherently and talking ‘gibberish’, nightmares of turmoil and the downfall of ‘our great nation’.
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Belinda

posted November 2, 2008 at 2:20 pm


Beware of what you say … “one day every knee will bow and confess Jesus Christ is Lord of Lords.”
It’s really sad that people feel it’s “OK” to mock God or his Children. When they can find nothing else wrong with them they attack God.



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shawn

posted April 27, 2010 at 12:32 pm


ERIN
The Bible calls this blasphemy and you really think that putting the almighty in a cartonn and using foul language is funny? I hope you will seriously take a look at Calvary and what Jesus did for you and see what this cartoon and the people behind it are doing to mock everything that Jesus did for you and I and even those that despite use and hate him.



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