Rod Dreher

Rod Dreher


Netherlands beats Brazil! Hoera!

posted by Rod Dreher

2-1 — final score! What a day for Oranje! They’ve eliminated the mighty Brazil!
Oh, to be in Amsterdam at this moment. Ring the bell! Beers all around! All together now: “Wilhelmus van Nassouwe…”
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Charles Cosimano

posted July 2, 2010 at 12:03 pm


My Dutch friends are going to be unbearable for days. But then when you are a nothing country in a museum of a continent I suppose you have to find something to be proud of.



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Al-Dhariyat

posted July 2, 2010 at 12:20 pm


ORRAANNJJEEE CRUSH!!!



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Phil

posted July 2, 2010 at 12:34 pm


Hup Holland Hup!



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David

posted July 2, 2010 at 12:37 pm


C-squared – nothing country compared to who? Museum of a continent compared to where?



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mm

posted July 2, 2010 at 12:42 pm


Ive just burnt an offering to the Magic Waffle.



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Hans Cornelder

posted July 2, 2010 at 12:45 pm


Charles Cosimano: What “nothing country”?! Ever read “The Ugly American”? Do you know anything substantial about that “nothing country”? Are you a better person than the average person in that “nothing country”? Do you know anything about not insulting people without knowing anything about them?



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Ken

posted July 2, 2010 at 12:45 pm


But then when you are a nothing country in a museum of a continent I suppose you have to find something to be proud of.
A nothing country, really? Anyhow, I lived in Holland for a few years as a kid and rooted for Ajax (Amsterdam’s team) against my best friend Bert’s Feyenoord (Rotterdam’s). Heck, on my very first day in school we watched a World Cup on TV. I’m happy!



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The Western Confucian

posted July 2, 2010 at 1:43 pm


Hurrah! I love all things Brazilian, but at the end of the day, I’m surnamed Snyder, much like Wesley Sneijder. All hail the ghost of Martin van Buren, the only non-native English speaking president!



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senhorbotero

posted July 2, 2010 at 2:22 pm


The Netherlands have nothing to be proud about. They played a cowards game. In the second half they decided to use a jumpy ref and encouraged bogus calls against Brasil. They pulled sissy tricks by falling on the ground and rolling over until moma came.The ref for his part did everything he could to disrupt the Brasilians momentum. Whenever they got forward movement going he found a way to stop it with a foul. This was just one more lousy game ruined by referee’s like the way Mexico got screwed by a ref and the US repeatedly got ripped off.



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senhorbotero

posted July 2, 2010 at 2:26 pm


The Netherlands have nothing to be proud about. They played a cowards game. In the second half they decided to use a jumpy ref and encouraged bogus calls against Brasil. They pulled sissy tricks by falling on the ground and rolling over until moma came.The ref for his part did everything he could to disrupt the Brasilians momentum. Whenever they got forward movement going he found a way to stop it with a foul. This was just one more lousy game ruined by referee’s like the way Mexico got screwed by a ref and the US repeatedly got ripped off.



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Huiboki

posted July 2, 2010 at 2:35 pm


This is 2010. After the 1-1 the Brazilians were scared. There was too much pressure on their shoulders. It’s the pressure that beat them. A team that can put preasure on the Brazilian team can’t be bad. Even if the emotions want them to be bad. The Brazilians beat themselves and though I’m a realstic Dutchman and loved the first 45 minutes of the Brazlian team, I’m proud of the Dutch team. They did what noone expected. To our Brazlian friends I seay… Turn back to the beauty of the game… That’s what you’re best at!



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Senhorbotero

posted July 2, 2010 at 2:53 pm


Sorry Huiboki From what I saw the pressure was generated by the ref. Everytime the Brasilians made a move the whistle blew. And winning against a team with one man down doesn’t make you all that great and the red card sure looked bogus from the instant replays I saw. Rolling on the ground when you got brushed by a runner is not honorable. To my mind this was not a great win.
I cannot make the call on the disqualified goal against Brasil but I sure saw worse allowed for Argentina amogst others. Seemed to me that the only ones not allowed to impede were the US and Brasil, for everyone else virtually anything was acceptable. If I had the power I would invlaidate the game and force a replay with different referees.



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The Western Confucian

posted July 2, 2010 at 2:57 pm


The Dutchmen pulled it off after a difficult fist half. They performed quite well. Bruce Sokolove, quoted by Steve Sailer, explains the difference in approaces (http://orientem.blogspot.com/2010/06/steve-sailer-on-soccer.html):
“There are two ways to become a world-class soccer player. One is to spend hours and hours in pickup games — in parks, streets, alleyways — on imperfect surfaces that, if mastered, can give a competitor an advantage when he finally graduates to groomed fields. This is the Brazilian way and also the model in much of the rest of South America, Central America and the soccer hotbeds of Africa. It is like baseball in the Dominican Republic. Children play all the time and on their own.
“The other way is the Ajax method. Scientific training. Attention to detail. Time spent touching the ball rather than playing a mindless number of organized games.”



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stari_momak

posted July 2, 2010 at 3:08 pm


And the Dutch side had actual ethnic Dutchmen on it! If anything, more so than in the 1990s.



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Jan Hus

posted July 2, 2010 at 3:25 pm


The red card was bogus?!!  Did you even watch the game? Melo deliberately stomped on Robben!  
In any case, the Dutch deserved to win.  In the second half, they outplayed Brazil tactically, and more importantly, psychlogically.  Brazil couldn’t control themselves and they Dutch exploited that.  Very smart.
The Dutch should be all set to play in the final after today’s triumph.  Great game!      



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Huiboki

posted July 2, 2010 at 3:34 pm


I’ve seen far worse referees and decisions this championship. I think the red card was the result of a stupid action againt Robben. Why press you’re soccer nobs into the legs of a lying apponent? What can a referee do? It’s really plain stupid. These are professional players aren’t they? The Brazilians just should take a close look in the mirrorat their playing . They should be able to do better. Holland just did what it had to do and it wasn’t easy. Let the Argentinians tomorrow show Latin Amtican feel. The Germans are a tought eam to beat too. These are the real world top teams and anyone can win. It’s a mixture of luck and the strenght of the day. I think that’s partly the fun of the game.



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Senhorbotero

posted July 2, 2010 at 3:34 pm


I would have stomped on Robben, the guy would have torked me off with his crybaby stuff all the time. Going for Germany…



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Senhorbotero

posted July 2, 2010 at 4:33 pm


I agree with you Huiboki there have been worse referees during this tournament. Frankly I cannot get over some of the calls. I do think though that this ref, during this game really stalled out Brasil with his constant faults and yellow cards. It looked to me like Brasil just got paralyzed out of yellow card concerns and constant faults called against them. I think the Mexicans reported 84 faults during the first half alone. Seems a bit absurd to me. To my mind at a critical momwent in the game to have launched a red card seemed a bit wrong. Yellow might have been enough. Really my complaint here was against the ref but damn there have been some bad ones during these matches.



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Hup hup

posted July 2, 2010 at 4:56 pm


Then again, isn’t it the ref’s job to call trips? If they hadn’t been calling all of those trips, and both sides were getting called, then it just leaves the game open for dirty play.
I think the Dutch blew some great chances later in the game. Three on one at the net and no goal, for example. The Dutch were playing so defensively to hold the game at the end they forgot to take advantage of those scoring chances, and they were huge. It could have easily been a higher scoring game… Brasil just fell apart there at the end.



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CAP

posted July 2, 2010 at 10:52 pm


beautiful warm evening. ran into the parish priest on the sidewalk awhile ago. and we were talking about what a strange quiet pall was over the neighborhood tonight. we are in a very brazilian district. while we were chatting and joking, the precint police captain rode by on bicycle patrol with a couple of other officers. seeing us, he stopped to say hey. he said it was verrryy quiet out for a warm summer friday night. the father exclaimed ‘we decided it’s because of the match!’. the captain, shook his head, and said ‘yeah, well, there are all kinds of ways to act on depression!’ with that, he hitched up and joined back up with the other patrolmen. the father’s dinner companions then arrived, and he switched from english to spanish and the three of them ambled on, chatting futbol. and i continued home with my prusciutto calzone through a warm, melancholy, brazilian neighborhood in america.



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Maciano

posted July 3, 2010 at 2:09 am


I was watching the game in The Hague yesterday and it was fantastic. The first half I thought I had deluded myself with the possibility we could beat Brazil and they’d move on to 2-0, 3-0. Thankfully our midfield locked up till midtime and Brazil wasn’t lucky to score.
The second half was like watching two different countries, especially after Sneijder’s shot which went in through a mistake from the goalie (poor guy). Normally I like Brazil, but their arrogance — Robinho, Kaka, Melo — during the game was misplaced; the red card for Melo was the most deserved card I’ve seen — except maybe for the not-given red card Ivory Coast’s Tioté should have gotten for almost breaking Brazilian Elano’s leg in their group match. Melo disgraced his country.
As soon as Sneijder scored the second goal I almost lost it. We were actually in the lead against Brazil. Sure we can beat Italy and France, but Brazil is whole different ball park. What a fantastic night. Rightful revenge for the losses in ’94 and ’98.
Oranje boven!



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Hector

posted July 3, 2010 at 8:02 am


Rod,
Why are you cheering for Netherlands, concidering you’re not Dutch? I would have thought you would be cheering for Brazil. Brazil seems to be a country much more in keeping with your values (and mine) then the secular and hedonistic culture of Amsterdam.



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Maciano

posted July 3, 2010 at 9:30 am


Hector,
Maybe Rod watched the game too and saw multi-millionaire man-childs disgrace themselves with fault and brat attitudes against a hard-working team fighting themselves back to win, after being declassed in the first half, and hang on to their once-in-a-lifetime chance to shine.
Who’s closer to a conservative’s heart: Kuyt or Robinho?



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Rod Dreher

posted July 3, 2010 at 10:07 am


Maciano, don’t be a stomme lul.
Hector, it’s not entirely clear to me why Brazil has more in common with my values than the Netherlands does, but in any case, I don’t see much point in supporting a national team based on the extent to which I judge a particular nation as aligning with my values. I like the Dutch team because I’ve spent a lot of time in Holland, really love its people, and have friends there. I skyped with two different Dutch friends late yesterday to celebrate the win. I really don’t care about soccer; I’m just enjoying the fact that my Dutch friends are so happy because of their national team, and I want the Netherlands to win because it means so much to people I care about.



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Maciano

posted July 3, 2010 at 12:26 pm


Rod,
That’s a bit unfair, to call me a “stupid dick” for writing what I wrote. Still, wasn’t it Hector who wrote this: “Brazil seems to be a country much more in keeping with your values (and mine) then the secular and hedonistic culture of Amsterdam.”?
This sentiment is pretty common among American conservatives about Northern Europe in general and it’s simply not true. It’s pretty short-sighted to think people from Amsterdam live like a bunch of libertines, doing whatever they want. You write you have Dutch, therefore you must also know this isn’t true.
Moreover, I don’t want to be petty. This is your blog, your rules apply. Goodbye.



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Fair Futbol

posted July 9, 2010 at 7:34 pm


I found the game rather unfair though. Amount of fouls holland was making on Brazil, then diving, even Brazil didn’t dive that much. Sure the red card was deserved, but refs were unfair. Brazil would have won if it was a fair game. But still they messed up and Netherlands played good, Netherlands were also quicker. It’s just that whenever Brazil had a chance they woudl foul Brazil, yet no card would be produced.



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