Reformed Chicks Blabbing

Reformed Chicks Blabbing


Brown wins!!!

posted by Susan Johnson

Whoa! I didn’t think he’d be able to pull it off! So far it’s 52 to 47 in the one of the most liberal states of the union. Ted Kennedy’s Senate seat is now in the hands of a Republican because of health care “reform.” Don’t you just love the irony?

The Associated Press called the race for Brown as the Republican held a 53 percent to 46 percent edge over Coakley with more than 70 percent of precincts reporting. Coakley conceded defeat to Brown in a phone call shortly before the race was called.
Brown addressed a cheering crowd in Boston around 10:30 p.m., telling his exultant backers: “They can hear this cheering all the way in Washington D.C.”
“I hope they’re paying close attention, because tonight the independent voice of Massachusetts has spoken,” Brown said, holding up a copy of the Boston Herald with the headline: “He did it.”
Telling the crowd he received a phone call from President Obama, Brown alluded to his campaign ads featuring his pickup truck, which the president mocked in a campaign stop Sunday.
“When I spoke to the president, the first thing I said was, would you like me to drive the truck down to Washington so you can see it?” Brown said.



Advertisement
Comments read comments(31)
post a comment
Ray

posted January 20, 2010 at 12:26 am


Obama: Fail. And when he fails, we win.



report abuse
 

Jon R.

posted January 20, 2010 at 12:37 am


This country is damned. Any nation that doesn’t take care of it’s poorest citizens doesn’t deserve any blessings. How can any “Christian” be against health care for children, and widows…you know…those people Jesus talked about all the time?
All the Republican senators and congresspeople have wonderful health care. And then they vote to deny it to the poor.
I hate the Republican party, I hate conservatives, and I hate most of the people that call themselves Christian.Because they consistently turn their backs on the downtrodden.
We are going the way of Rome. We deserve it.



report abuse
 

kelly

posted January 20, 2010 at 1:27 am


Hey Michele – what should I tell the woman who can no longer get her chemo treatments because her husband lost his job and therefore his insurance? Come on Michele, how about an answer? What gleeful response do you have for the dashing of her hope to live?
Michele doesn’t care about the American people; she cares about bringing down a president. Well obviously she enjoys dancing on the graves of her fellow cancer victims.



report abuse
 

Patrick

posted January 20, 2010 at 1:38 am


Jon R,
I understand your hard feelings on the issue of healthcare, but do you really have any room to be dictating to people about how they should act as Christians when you yourself follow that up with going on about how you hate many groups of people, most of whom just want whats best for the country?
You make thinks it is Anti-Christian not to pass healthcare reform, but I think it is Anti-Christian to hate other people, Jesus told us to Love Our Neighbor as ourselves, and he elaborated that our neighbor was everyone we see.
Jesus Christ was beaten, crucified and died for people who hated him, and he loved them and he still loves all of them, so if Jesus can do all that without hating others, I would hope that you as a Christian could have a simple debate on a political issue without resorting to hating the other side, The majority of whom, are fellow brothers and sisters in Christ.
God Bless.



report abuse
 

anonymous reincarnate

posted January 20, 2010 at 8:50 am


congratulations to mr. brown.
“Ted Kennedy’s Senate seat is now in the hands of a Republican because of health care reform.”
michele, i think we’re all waiting for any proof of your claim. it’s easy to say it… harder to back it up with hard evidence. even right-wing pollster rasmussen can’t make the case with his own polling results.
it’s more likely that the senate seat will now be held by a republican because of a lackluster democratic candidate. but i don’t doubt that republicans and the conservative media will continue to spin it otherwise.
democrats and liberals and independents will take solace in knowing that democrats still hold a stronger majority in the house and the senate than republicans have in decades, and still hold the white house and have already appointed one supreme court justice while they continue to repair the lower courts.



report abuse
 

Timotheus

posted January 20, 2010 at 8:51 am


I think we are seeing the beginning of a conservative ascendancy. If a liberal state elects a conservative like Brown to replace a Kennedy it should make it clear to Republicans that political conservatives will win in the United States.
I been watching Democrats on news channels (even FOX) telling Republicans that this elections shows that if they “moderate” Republicans can wins.
Wrong! If Republicans moderate, like McCain, REPUBLICANS WILL LOSE elections!
Timotheus



report abuse
 

MH

posted January 20, 2010 at 10:08 am


I posted this in the MSM ignoring MSM ignoring Coakley’s Catholic comment, but I will re-port in this thread because it is more on topic here.
anonymous reincarnate, from what I’ve read 34% consider themselves Democrats, 16% Republican, and 50% unenrolled. So a Democrat starts out a race 18 points ahead. So for a Republican to win by a five point margin means they crushed the Democrat.
Our Republican Governors are largely due to the independent block which likes divided government as a check on our legislature. I voted for Romney because his veto is the only way to control our legislature, which is a really special bunch if you read the news around here. But I dislike the Republican culture war, so I generally vote Democrat for national offices. I would guess most people in the 50% block tend to do the same.
As to why this happened? I think the Democrats should start with Martha Coakley as her initial strategy was to follow her primary strategy. Basically hide out and wait for her opponents to screw up. That let her win the primary in a plurality, but it is an awful general election strategy.
But next they need to look at corruption at the state level which is angering the electorate. Google Massachusetts house speaker indicted to see what I mean.
I don’t think this was a referendum on anything going on at the national level because as the Stuart video points out the outcome of the national health care debate won’t impact our state. We already have a law more progressive than the national one from a Republican Governor!



report abuse
 

anonymous reincarnate

posted January 20, 2010 at 11:32 am


MH, as an independent (though a liberal-leaning one) i think that your analysis meshes with all the research i’ve done on the special election and the issues and candidates.
the conservative spin on this is ludicrous. MA residents are already covered by a more progressive health care law, so they don’t care if scott brown manages to kill the national health care bill or not.
but what you’re saying is that even a few weeks ago, when coakley was polling at 15-20% ahead, alarms should have been sounding off for the democrats? i also heard that she never tried to address the large unaffiliated populace and relied just on the registered democratic voters. what a shame.
i think that the outlying rasmussen poll that came out a couple of weeks ago showing brown leading by about 15% (the complete reverse of all other polls at the time) pushed and influenced the election, too. i notice that he does this a lot. he continues to poll excessively in favor of a conservative candidate right up until election day, when he’ll finally post a reasonable poll (for example his most recent poll before the election had coakley ahead by a couple of points). the poll clearly emboldened the teabaggers and money poured in from outside of the state.



report abuse
 

Ray

posted January 20, 2010 at 11:44 am


Well however you libs spin it, or how we conservatives spin it, fact is Mr. Brown won and so called health care reform is in critical condition. Thankfully.
Now maybe the majority will seek real reform which almost everyone acknowledges is needed.



report abuse
 

Ray

posted January 20, 2010 at 11:53 am


Oh and what happened to the Obama magic? Let’s see…he’s 0 for 5 or something. Olympics, Copehagen, VA, NJ, and now MA. Maybe those “lowest approval ratings ever” are accurate.



report abuse
 

Richard

posted January 20, 2010 at 12:48 pm


I think that Brown won because the Democrats have done such an incredibly poor job when it comes to health care reform—or any reform for that matter. If Obama had pushed single-payer or Medicare for all or even the public option the Democratic party would not be in the sorry state it is in now. So what did the Dems bring us? A health care bill that is a gift to the insurance industry! Everyone is REQUIRED to buy insurance. Some “reform” that is! Is it any wonder that people hate it? Plus Obama promised “change”. But he has delivered the same old pabulum that we had under Bush. So unless the Democrats really change—and by that I mean go to the Left–they are doomed.
And don’t think that if Republicans win in 2010 and 2012 that things will be any better. Remember the 8 yrs under Bush? Do you want that back again? The answer is to vote for a 3rd party. I myself vote Green.



report abuse
 

MH

posted January 20, 2010 at 1:01 pm


anonymous reincarnate, yes when Coakley was polling at 15-20% ahead that was her built in buffer and it was a warning sign. I think she was used to campaigning for Attorney General which is never a competitive race during the general. So she assumed that once she had the nomination the general election was a forgone conclusion. I will admit to having a similar bias and was stunned Brown pulled it off.
I think you are correct that pollsters can influence outcomes.



report abuse
 

anonymous reincarnate

posted January 20, 2010 at 1:47 pm


Richard, you’re spot on, my friend. obama is leaving behind his base and the liberal independents like me because he has sought bipartisanship from a party where none exists by shifting to the right on nearly everything he campaigned on.
“health care reform is in critical condition”
oh, ray, you’re getting way too far ahead of yourself. first you make unsubstantiated claim of why brown won, and now you claim that this reform is on its death bed. again, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
obama magic? oh, you should watch the daily show… there was a great bit on that. no, he’s not magic, nor do i know anyone who thought he was. that’s just a republican meme. the rest of us only have realistic expectations of president obama. just remember this, you put your best republican presidential candidate out there and obama stomped him. regardless of how bad you believe obama is, the country believes republicans are worse.
“Olympics, Copehagen, VA, NJ, and now MA”
va, nj, and ma? what’s your point, ray? you’re conveniently ignoring that when republicans won gubernatorial races va and nj they also lost 2 house seats from long-held republican strongholds. oops!
now, obama should hear the alarm bells going off, that those people who voted for him want him to deliver on more of his promises, and that goes for health insurance reform, too. congress needs to throw out the insurance mandate unless they fund some plan that competes with the insurance industry cartel to bring down and then keep prices in control. there are some good things in the reform bill – keep insurance if you loose your job, no discrimination based on gender, can’t be dropped due to precondition, etc. but republicans are against all that.



report abuse
 

Alicia

posted January 20, 2010 at 2:33 pm


In my opinion, Brown won because he ran a better campaign and didn’t take anything for granted. As for President Obama, his problem is that, at present, he is the only adult in the room.
I’m waiting to see whether Brown, who claimed his victory was a victory for independents, will do anything other than march in lockstep with other Republicans once he takes his seat in the Senate. I highly recommend this piece in today’s Slate Magazine:
http://www.slate.com/id/2242055/
As Daniel Gross says in this piece, the Republicans are not only cynical and hypocritical, they are also incoherent on policy and principle. I watched the Republicans fail to lead for six years, when they had control of Congress and the Presidency. If they had been successful at governing, they might have retained that control for much, much longer. After six years of failure, they are ready to call the Obama Administration a failure after one year. It boggles the mind.
There may be a lot of voter anger out there, but would be a mistake to think that the anger only has one target. This is one infuriated moderate whose anger is directed mostly against the Republican Party of no accountability and no ideas. (In fact, the only Republican who actually has real alternatives and ideas to offer is Newt Gingrich. And I don’t even like him much, but I do respect him.)



report abuse
 

Alicia

posted January 20, 2010 at 2:40 pm


Just one more thing – I’m not disappointed in Obama because I never thought he was “magic” or “the one” – I warmed very slowly to him, and I like him better now than I did a year ago. He is an adult politician in a country that no longer has many.
I’ll add Newt Gingrich to the list of adult politicians, even though, in his personal life, he has been a total dog, even worse than Tiger Woods.



report abuse
 

anonymous reincarnate

posted January 20, 2010 at 3:31 pm


Alicia, thanks for the link. i also came across this one this week from slate: http://www.slate.com/id/2223023/
it’s too bad that too many americans rely on cnn and fox for their news. they remain uninformed of all the good accomplishments the democratss have made in just one year, how many promises obama has fulfilled in just one year, and how little the hypocritical republicans have changed in just one year.
i should clarify an earlier statement. obama is losing his base because they are impatient for the changes that obama promised. he hasn’t lost my support, because i understand the messes that he inherited are serious and require immediate attention and cannot be fixed in a year.



report abuse
 

Ray

posted January 20, 2010 at 3:39 pm


Anonymous,
And your expert knowledge of races such as these is based on what? Let’s see, how about this. On January 19 on this very blog you said, “brown will lose, and don’t expect him to do as well as republicans hope.” Oops.
You libs surely suffer from HIS syndrome. But carry on and we shall see how things unfold in 2010.



report abuse
 

Alicia

posted January 20, 2010 at 4:16 pm


Thanks, anonymous reincarnate. I find Andrew Sullivan’s blog a good source of news and opinion, along with Slate and Beliefnet. Of course I also visit news sites such as MSNBC.



report abuse
 

anonymous reincarnate

posted January 20, 2010 at 4:32 pm


ray, not even the pollsters or the candidates themselves can predict the future. what you quoted is what i wrote on jan 12, not jan 19. and you will also see on the 15th on that same thread that i wrote that, “i have a difficult time seeing how brown can win this one. but i’ve been blown away before: bush was elected and then reelected.” if that mistake can get the white house for 2 terms, i shouldn’t be too surprised that brown won this seat.
i guessed this one wrong, by 6 points. but i was right in 2006 and again in 2008. that doesn’t make me an expert, but i at least do what i can to supply data and evidence that supports my assertions. heck, even most republicans are characterizing this as a miracle win for brown.
can you do so well? i’m still waiting for you to back up that mouth. i shot you down with data from a known right-leaning pollster. so, that’s my “amateur” opinion backed up with data. i suppose that if i had just gone out and picked some liberal-leaning or centrist pollster, you’d dismiss it out of hand, but now what will you do?
will you acknowledge that nj and va mean as much or as little as the republican losses or will you continue to wrongly portray their wins as a referendum on obama while ignoring their losses?
yes, we will see what november brings, it’s months away. even if republicans can get their game together and manage to take the majority in the house and senate, just remember that they did the same with clinton who was still able to pull off much of his agenda. those republican majorities were relatively short-lived, by the way, and crumbled due to party infighting, rampant corruption, and lack of any progress.
breaking news: senate democrats won’t push bills through before brown is seated. see there? yet more nice, bipartisan gestures from democrats.



report abuse
 

Ray

posted January 20, 2010 at 5:52 pm


If MA was not about O’s agenda, somebody needs to tell the white house. It’s all over the news about scaling back his agenda. .
But with that I’m very pleased.



report abuse
 

Ray

posted January 20, 2010 at 8:18 pm


anonymous r,

va, nj, and ma? what’s your point, ray? you’re conveniently ignoring that when republicans won gubernatorial races va and nj they also lost 2 house seats from long-held republican strongholds. oops!

Yes, I should have been clear. I did not blame Obama for the republican losses. I don’t think he campaigned for those Rs.



report abuse
 

Jon R.

posted January 20, 2010 at 10:32 pm


“Well however you libs spin it, or how we conservatives spin it, fact is Mr. Brown won and so called health care reform is in critical condition. Thankfully. ”
Well, there we have the true spirit of the conservative Christian – to hell with the poor, let them suffer and die.
Patrick,
I’ve never pretended to be a Christian. I do not consider it a valid religion.



report abuse
 

Ray

posted January 20, 2010 at 10:42 pm


Jon R,
“Well, there we have the true spirit of the conservative Christian – to hell with the poor, let them suffer and die.”
what a stupid conclusion to draw. So opposition to THIS legislation is tantamount to what you describe above? Just like you libs. When you can’t win on merit, and usually you can’t, you demonize those who disagree with you.
Man! What would you people do if you had a brain?



report abuse
 

anonymous reincarnate

posted January 21, 2010 at 1:28 am


aw, ray, you’re so cute! you’re a pointless troll… but cute.
republicans have their own problems, and you can’t see them. what you see is some propaganda being propelled by the right-wing echo chamber, with no evidence to back it up.
that’s fine. you’re certainly not the only conservative here who lives in a world of make-believe.
“When you can’t win on merit, and usually you can’t, you demonize those who disagree with you.”
huh… that’s precisely what conservatives have done to obama for months and to liberals for decades. tit for tat, i guess.
ray, you’re trying to win an argument, not on merit either, but by throwing out baseless assertions.
I did not blame Obama for the republican losses.
nope, like i indicated, you completely ignore republican losses because they don’t support the right-wing claims that you’re echoing.



report abuse
 

anonymous reincarnate

posted January 21, 2010 at 1:53 am


“It’s all over the news about scaling back his agenda.”
time will tell.
of course you’re not a true republican or you wouldn’t settle with “scaling back,” but would be lock step with republican brown shirts in completely shutting down his agenda.
that agenda being:
1. reign in federal spending and cut the budget
2. reform the banks
3. fix the economic crisis
4. reform health insurance industry
5. provide health insurance for tens of thousands
6. curb co2 emissions that are destroying our environment
7. improve public education
8. end pay discrimination for women
9. end discrimination based on sexual orientation
10. bring the ill-gotten war in iraq to a sensible end

because republicans are against all of that.
i apologize for calling you a pointless troll. you’re only pointless. or a troll. but almost somewhat likely not both.



report abuse
 

Ray

posted January 21, 2010 at 6:57 am


A. Reincarnate,
Do you get paid for this, you know as a Dem operative? You sure have the “lock-step” talking points down. I mean you have bought the whole Dem agenda hook, line and sinker.
Let me enlighten you a bit. You said Republicans have their problems and that I can’t see them. Oh yes, I can. They are not conservative enough. Bush ran up the national debt, among other liberal practices. I’m not a Repub. I’m a conservative and the R party has too few conservatives.
And Obama’s agenda? Absolutely I want to see his agenda shut down. HIS agenda is harmful to America. But your ten things are not all part of his agenda.
1. reign in federal spending and cut the budget (LAUGHABLE GIVEN HO MUCH HE HAS SPENT AND ADDED TO THE DEBT. IF THIS WERE HIS AGENDA, I’D BE FOR THIS ONE)
2. reform the banks (NOT SURE WHAT YOU MEAN AND HOW YOU MEAN)
3. fix the economic crisis (AGAIN, LAUGHABLE. IT NEEDS FIXING, BUT NOT BY RAISING TAXES AS HE PROPOSES)
4. reform health insurance industry (AGREE SOME, JUST NOT HIS PROPOSALS)
5. provide health insurance for tens of thousands (AGREE, DEPENDING ON HOW IT IS DONE)
6. curb co2 emissions that are destroying our environment (NONSENSE AND CRAP AND TAX IS A JOB KILLER)
7. improve public education (WHO COULD BE AGAINST THIS…BUT HOW? MORE MONEY?)
8. end pay discrimination for women (AGAIN, HOW? BIG BROTHER? DON’T WE ALREADY HAVE LAWS AGAINST DISCRIMINATION?)
9. end discrimination based on sexual orientation (SEE #8)
10. bring the ill-gotten war in iraq to a sensible end (WAS NOT ILL GOTTEN, BUT YES BRING ANY AND ALL WARS TO A SENSIBLE END…ITS CAL WINNING!!!!)



report abuse
 

Jon R.

posted January 21, 2010 at 7:33 pm


Ray,
I am not a liberal. But I am a Jew. And my opinion of your religion (for obvious reasons) is quite low. And it’s gotten much lower since Bush I.



report abuse
 

anonymous reincarnate

posted January 21, 2010 at 8:51 pm


golly, now you’re yelling. calm down before you have serious health problems. i sure hope you have insurance!
republicans aren’t conservative enough? what a joke. that’s your teabagger point of view, not in line with mainstream america. you want to stop taxes so that you can stop social programs like medicare and medicaid and social security, you go for that, but stick to your guns and make sure you only vote for that kind of conservative, because the rest of america will not follow you.
“HIS agenda is harmful to America. But your ten things are not all part of his agenda.”
oh, and you thought that i was the one who bought and regurgitated the democratic talking points. apparently not, since you seem to know them better than i. please tell us what you think “his agenda” is. let’s hear your psycho right-wing conspiracy theory.
fact: i’m an independent, unaffiliated voter.
fact: i haven’t bought the dem platform, their platform happens to suit my world view and political leanings (you have it backwards)
“LAUGHABLE GIVEN HO MUCH HE HAS SPENT AND ADDED TO THE DEBT.”
just how much has obama spent?
fact:

$32.8B s-chip reauthorization (debt neutral) 1/09
$787B stimulus package (not the bank bailout) 2/09
* included $247B in tax relief
* included $540B in spending
$680B defense authorization bill 10/09
$636B defense spending appropriations 12/09

please remind me if i forgot anything…
also, by reforming healthcare to cut the cost, federal health-related spending would drop. this is one of obama’s stated goals.
“reform the banks (NOT SURE WHAT YOU MEAN AND HOW YOU MEAN)”
in an attempt to avert a future major economic recession like the that bush left us in, obama is proposing adding back in certain banking regulations and restrictions.
“AGAIN, LAUGHABLE. IT NEEDS FIXING, BUT NOT BY RAISING TAXES AS HE PROPOSES”
the only taxes that obama has proposed raising so far in order to address the debt/deficit is the income tax on the top 1-2%. this is in line with what taxes were during the reagan era and also key to how clinton was able to generate a budget surplus before bush pissed it away.
he hasn’t given much information on what else he plans to do to help reduce unemployment or keep it from worsening, but the stimulus plan did help the economy, and kept it from being much worse.
“reform health insurance industry (AGREE SOME, JUST NOT HIS PROPOSALS)”
which of his proposals are you opposed to?
(www.whitehouse.gov/health-insurance-consumer-protections/)
1 No Discrimination for Pre-Existing Conditions
2 No Exorbitant Out-of-Pocket Expenses, Deductibles or Co-Pays
3 No Cost-Sharing for Preventive Care
4 No Dropping of Coverage for Seriously Ill
5 No Gender Discrimination
6 No Annual or Lifetime Caps on Coverage
7 Extended Coverage for Young Adults
8 Guaranteed Insurance Renewal
“curb co2 emissions that are destroying our environment (NONSENSE AND CRAP AND TAX IS A JOB KILLER)”
what do you believe is nonsense? are you another nutty global warming denier? because surely the right-wing pundits know the science better than the scientists.
i don’t believe that cap and trade will have enough effect, so i’m not generally in favor of this approach, but obama has forced better auto efficiency and has done more to promote greener energies than any recent president.
the conservative talking point that “tax is a job killer” is a gross over-generalization. for example, taxes were higher under reagan, but there were fewer unemployed. go figure.
“improve public education (WHO COULD BE AGAINST THIS…BUT HOW? MORE MONEY?)”
http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/Education/
“end pay discrimination for women (AGAIN, HOW? BIG BROTHER? DON’T WE ALREADY HAVE LAWS AGAINST DISCRIMINATION?)”
not one that protected people like lilly ledbetter.
“end discrimination based on sexual orientation (SEE #8)”
unless you’re gay. then you can’t get married and you can’t serve openly in the military. also, obama has extended the hate crimes law to cover hate crimes against gays (which did not exist).
“bring the ill-gotten war in iraq to a sensible end (WAS NOT ILL GOTTEN, BUT YES BRING ANY AND ALL WARS TO A SENSIBLE END…ITS CAL WINNING!!!!)”
i agree. something that bush couldn’t do, hopefully obama can. of course because there was never an enemy in iraq before we invaded, the war there was never winnable.



report abuse
 

Ray

posted January 22, 2010 at 7:43 am


Anonymous, thanks for the well wishes. I do have insurance. They’re not perfect and I argue with them sometimes. But I’m thankful for the insurance.
“you want to stop taxes so that you can stop social programs like medicare and medicaid and social security…”
That is totally unfounded and is a ridiculous statement.
“please tell us what you think “his agenda”
On his agenda, I was simply responding to what YOU said his agenda is. I think his agenda is really all about him. In the process he wants to fundamentally remake this country (he has said such) through increasing the scope and size of government. It is that simple.
“just how much has obama spent?”
I said he head increased the debt. He has increased it from 10.6 trillion to 12.3 trillion…about 1.7 trillion increase in just 1 year!
Banking…there surely needs to be some regulation. The debate is always how and how much? Perhaps Barney Frank et al will actually be for true banking reform this time around.
“the only taxes that obama has proposed raising so far in order to address the debt/deficit is the income tax on the top 1-2%. this is in line with what taxes were during the reagan era and also key to how clinton was able to generate a budget surplus before bush pissed it away.”
Sorry, but O is proposing taxes and “fees” all over the place, in the now all but dead health care legislation as well as more taxes on the banks. What a brilliant idea. On Reagan, I’m not going to even try to help you see the truth except to remind you that the marginal rate when Reagan took office was incredibly high, he oversaw the reduction of it and federal revenues rose.
“but the stimulus plan did help the economy, and kept it from being much worse.” Really? Ike jobs? Employment? How’s that going since his first day? Oh wait, it is all Bush’s fault, O whines.
1 No Discrimination for Pre-Existing Conditions THEN YOU CAN’T HAVE INSURANCE. SEE MY COMMENTS ON ANOTHER POST ON THIS BLOG ABOUT WHAT INSURANCE IS. IF WE FORCE INSURANCE COMPANIES TO TAKE ALL RISKS, WE WILL FORCE THEM OUT OF BUSINESS.
2 No Exorbitant Out-of-Pocket Expenses, Deductibles or Co-Pays WHO DEFINES EXORBITANT? THE STATE? WHO PAYS FOR THE INCREASE IN PREMIUMS…THAT IS HOW IT WORKS YOU KNOW. LOWER OUR OUTLAY AND THE PREMIUMS GO UP. AGAIN, A FUNCTION OF HOW INSURANCE WORKS.
3 No Cost-Sharing for Preventive Care WHY? AND THAT IS ALREADY THE CASE FOR MANY. AGAIN, WHO PAYS FOR THE INCREASE IN PREMIUM?
4 No Dropping of Coverage for Seriously Ill AFTER SOMEONE IS ALREADY COVERED, THEY SHOULD NOT BE DROPPED IF THE ILLNESS WAS A COVERED ILLNESS…UNLESS THE LIMITS ARE EXHAUSTED.
5 No Gender Discrimination WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
6 No Annual or Lifetime Caps on Coverage WHO PAYS FOR THE INCREASE IN PREMIUM TO COVER THE INFINITE RISK THE INSURANCE COMPANY TAKES ON?
7 Extended Coverage for Young Adults WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
8 Guaranteed Insurance Renewal DEFINITIONS PLEASE.
These points sound more like talking points for a campaign…populist speech but seriously lacking in policy sense.
Look, if the government forces the Blue Crosses of the country to 1. Take everyone regardless of their health condition 2. Be on the hook for an infinite amount of payout for said everyone 3. And be forced to do all this while not being able to pass on to the consumer additional premium for all this increased risk, come on…even you can see what would happen.
“are you another nutty global warming denier?” Am I nutty? Perhaps. I’ve been called far worse. I’m not a global warming denier. I’m a MAN-MADE CAUSED global warming denier. I follow the science…especially the ones who do not skew the data like the AGW ones have been doing. Hey, we’re into global cooling now anyway. Brrrrr.
“unless you’re gay. then you can’t get married and you can’t serve openly in the military. also, obama has extended the hate crimes law to cover hate crimes against gays (which did not exist).”
Gays should not be married. God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.
That’s all for now. Already I’ve spent more time than I should have on this. I already know you will not change your view. So I’ll probably notbe responding to whatever you put up next. But you have a great day. Things are looking up.



report abuse
 

anonymous reincarnate

posted January 23, 2010 at 1:55 pm


well, i try to have a rational conversation with a right-winger and you bail. just like the rest. okay, well, i’m not ready to give up on you just yet.
“‘you want to stop taxes so that you can stop social programs like medicare and medicaid and social security…’ That is totally unfounded and is a ridiculous statement.”
is it? don’t conservatives hate socialism? aren’t you teabaggers always crying because you pay too many taxes? well, eliminate those social programs like many leading conservatives and libertarians complain about and you’ll be on your way.
“I said he head increased the debt. He has increased it from 10.6 trillion to 12.3 trillion…about 1.7 trillion increase in just 1 year!”
not exactly. you said “GIVEN HO MUCH HE HAS SPENT AND ADDED TO THE DEBT”. so, how much has he spent? you side-stepped the question. in order to increase debt, one has to either spend big or reduce income. well, he hasn’t been spending as much as conservative liars would have us believe. given that obama has not yet increased taxes (another common lie by conservatives) and the economy is in a major recession, it’s no mystery that the debt has increased. obama should end the bush tax cuts for the rich and reduce the debt… it’s not like they’re hiring people with their tax savings like conservatives claimed would happen.
“Sorry, but O is proposing taxes and ‘fees’ all over the place”
sources? otherwise you just sound like the right-wing mouthpiece that you are. besides, proposals are just proposals, not anything that has come to pass.
“the marginal rate when Reagan took office was incredibly high, he oversaw the reduction of it and federal revenues rose”
and the debt sky-rocketed. huh. conservatives complain a lot about the debt when a democrat is in office, but not so much when a republican is. they’re funny that way.
“more taxes on the banks. What a brilliant idea”
i couldn’t agree more! considering that the banks took ridiculous risks, sent the global economy into the toilet, and begged for rescue when they were in too deep, and then continue with business as usual… yeah, i think that putting a tax on the risks they take is a great idea. this doesn’t stop them from doing it, but it curbs their behavior and protects the industry. banks are banks, not casinos.
“Really? Ike jobs? Employment? How’s that going since his first day? Oh wait, it is all Bush’s fault”
yes, i know that conservatives have short memories. let’s see if you can follow along this sequence of events:
republicans remove restrictions on banks, bush as elected president, bush cuts taxes, bush spends out of control, housing market bubble bursts, banks implode, economy tanks, businesses reduce work force, unemployment increases.
follow? it did take bush more than a year to tank the economy, so i’m giving obama more than a year to turn it around. it takes more than a year to stop the worst recession in nearly a century and to get jobs going again.
“No Discrimination for Pre-Existing Conditions THEN YOU CAN’T HAVE INSURANCE. … IF WE FORCE INSURANCE COMPANIES TO TAKE ALL RISKS, WE WILL FORCE THEM OUT OF BUSINESS.”
oh, please. that’s b.s. and we all know it. that’s an insurance company talking point. guess what? the state of colorado requires that every motorist have insurance (i.e. no preconditions). before it became law, the insurance companies made the same claim. here’s an amazing thing: they’re as profitable as ever, and average rates went down.
“WHO DEFINES EXORBITANT? THE STATE?”
it would most likely be a factor of the poverty rate, and what would constitute “affordable”.
“WHO PAYS FOR THE INCREASE IN PREMIUMS…THAT IS HOW IT WORKS YOU KNOW. LOWER OUR OUTLAY AND THE PREMIUMS GO UP. AGAIN, A FUNCTION OF HOW INSURANCE WORKS.”
again, not true as has been demonstrated time and time again (research colorado state motorist insurance). i’m thinking that you really don’t understand the market.
“Preventive Care … AND THAT IS ALREADY THE CASE FOR MANY.”
you’re confused. most insurance companies don’t cover preventative care.
“AFTER SOMEONE IS ALREADY COVERED, THEY SHOULD NOT BE DROPPED IF THE ILLNESS WAS A COVERED ILLNESS”
we agree on this at least.
“No Gender Discrimination WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? “
it’s plain english. here’s some context (the fact that you don’t already know this is more proof that you don’t know the industry): women generally pay up to 50% more for health insurance. because they’re women. you understand anatomy, yes? pregnancies, breast cancer, etc…
“No Annual or Lifetime Caps on Coverage WHO PAYS FOR THE INCREASE IN PREMIUM TO COVER THE INFINITE RISK THE INSURANCE COMPANY TAKES ON?”
again, you don’t understand economics. i don’t have time to school you on this one. figure it out on your own. there is no “infinite risk”, and as i pointed out (with evidence, not just talking points) the premium does not go up… see, you’re assuming that everyone who’s not currently covered are all of the expensively ill people, which just is not the case.
“Extended Coverage for Young Adults WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?”
jeez. again, it’s plain english. and more evidence that you don’t know the industry. more context: dependants usually lose coverage when they enrol in college or about the age 18. because of the growth of this demographic and because of the increasing cost of insurance, this group is largely uninsured. the proposal is to extend coverage to a later age.
“Guaranteed Insurance Renewal DEFINITIONS PLEASE.”
seriously? buy a dictionary.
“I’m a MAN-MADE CAUSED global warming denier. I follow the science… we’re into global cooling now anyway.”
then you clearly don’t follow the science, you follow the deniers’ rhetoric (which is neither backed science nor evidence).
“Gays should not be married. God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.”
god didn’t create steve? i would think that the creationist view is that we are all god’s creations.
if god created men and women, why did he create gay men and lesbian women?
regardless of how homosexuals came to be, they are human and they are in our country, where we cherish equal rights for all.
yours is the typical creationist, homophobic, dickish retort. what are you afraid of? a conservative denying rights to other individuals? some things never change.



report abuse
 

Ray

posted January 23, 2010 at 3:47 pm


AR, before I get around to responding to your typical left wing rhetoric, help me understand…does Colorado mandate liability only, or liability AND comprehensive AND collision?



report abuse
 

Post a Comment

By submitting these comments, I agree to the beliefnet.com terms of service, rules of conduct and privacy policy (the "agreements"). I understand and agree that any content I post is licensed to beliefnet.com and may be used by beliefnet.com in accordance with the agreements.



Previous Posts

Another Blog To Enjoy!!!
Thank you for visiting Reformed Chicks Babbling. This blog is no longer being updated. Please enjoy the archives. Here is another blog you may also enjoy: Inspiration Report Happy Reading!!!

posted 3:05:14pm Aug. 27, 2012 | read full post »

One Final Word
My dear friend Michele slipped into eternity on Wednesday, February 1.   She was a remarkable woman who left a legacy of faith, determination, and love. For three years she courageously battled the ovarian cancer that eventually robbed her of her life.  A few days before she died, one of her docto

posted 8:43:41pm Feb. 10, 2012 | read full post »

The rumors of my demise have been greatly exaggerated
My husband told me that there are rumors that I've died. I'm happy to report that I'm still very much alive. My cancer has gone to stage four but we are controlling it with chemo, the cancer numbers are currently in the normal range. I've stopped blogging to concentrate on my daughters and writing a

posted 7:07:55pm Aug. 23, 2010 | read full post »

An update and a prayer request
Several people have asked about Michele's condition, and have promised to pray for her. On her behalf, I thank you for that. I spoke with her a little while ago, and she asked that I come here and tell you what's going on, and to ask you to pray for her. She isn't able to post here herself right

posted 4:55:36pm Apr. 06, 2010 | read full post »

Rest in peace, Internet Monk.
A man known in the cyber world as The Internet Monk, has died. Michael Spencer lost his battle with cancer tonight. My prayers go out for his family and for all those who loved and will miss him. :(

posted 11:52:00pm Apr. 05, 2010 | read full post »




Report as Inappropriate

You are reporting this content because it violates the Terms of Service.

All reported content is logged for investigation.