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“She’s not a woman — She is a Republican”

Yeah, nice bummer sticker! Nice contrast to the Christian fish. Grace vs graceless.
I’m glad the left has let out it’s inner misogynist this election cycle, helps us to see that they really don’t give a crap about women at all and they are just playing lip service to the needs of women in this country.
Feminism has died when females are redefined based on politics. Too bad that gender isn’t the issue and they let ideology get in the way of unity. Women will never gain ascendancy while they let differences divide them. Not too smart to let the man sway them from the real power of the presidency. I’m not surprised by the short-sightedness of the movement, they always struck me as provincial and self-centered (abortion is the only thing they seem to care about and don’t appear to be working to bring the movement to places like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, etc. where women are living in horrendous conditions).

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posted October 20, 2008 at 8:17 pm

To be honest, there are yo-yos on our side does it too. It is incomprehensible to some that a person can be a Christian and a Democrat.
I work with too many Christian Democrats to think so…I do have a hard time with “pro-abortion” (and before anybody jumps down my throat I’ve defined a difference between “pro-choice” and “pro-abortion”) Christians, but for the most part I do comprehend how a person can be committed to most of the Democrat platform and still follow Christ.
Palin attracts a different kind of hatred, though. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen anything like it.
I know that Black activists were detested, but nobody ever tried to seperate their race and politics.
Hillary Clinton garnered distaste, but a lot of that was because of her politics, not her gender.
Ted Kennedy might come close, but even that was because of his behavioral antics, not an identity of his person.
Barney Frank…maybe – but he’s not in the national picture enough to be the target that Palin is.

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posted October 21, 2008 at 12:36 am

Just because you happen to be anatomically female does not mean you are a feminist or support women’s issues or are worthy of the support of other women. I would no more vote for someone solely because of her gender than I would vote for someone solely because of his race or sexual orientation. These elements are not sufficient to define anyone. The great theologian and author Dorothy Sayers (creator of Lord Peter Wimsey) once said that it makes no sense to talk as if women were somehow fundamentally unlike the rest of the human race; as individuals we may have far more in common with particular men, for example, than we do with particular women. There are women with whom I share nothing in common save our anatomy. Sayers found it annoying to be asked for “the woman’s point of view” on something, as if women were some kind of monolithic group (it is seldom that anyone ever makes that assumption about men, except in stupid jokes). Sayers said there is no such thing as “the woman’s point of view”; you always have to ask “which woman?” just as you have to ask “which man?”
In a way, it’s a very good thing that we have a female candidate who has failed to gain the support of women voters. That goes to show that women refuse to be pandered to by cynical male politicians. We want strong candidates who care about the issues that affect the lives of women and children; our votes cannot be won simply by putting a woman, any woman, on the ticket.
Thank you, MzEllen, for acknowledging that many Republicans wrongly assume that a person cannot be a Democrat and a Christian. My brother, who lives in northern Georgia and attends a conservative church, has a bumper sticker on his truck that says “Christian AND a Democrat.” More than once his fellow congregants have left nasty messages on his windshield.
We are going to face some difficult times ahead. I truly hope that Americans will start giving each other the benefit of the doubt, recognize that we’re all coming from different places, that we’ve all been shaped by our own experiences and yet we do share much common ground as Americans. I remember reading once that a primary difference between the way Americans and the Japanese respond when something goes wrong, in the workplace for example, is that in America we immediately start assigning blame, and in Japan they immediately put their heads together and start talking about how to solve the problem.
Let’s stop casting blame, yelling at one another over the fence, and start looking for solutions. If we were called upon to defend the country in a crisis, we wouldn’t worry about whether the person next to us differed on the issues of abortion or tax policy or gay marriage; we’d stand shoulder to shoulder and be grateful to have that person standing with us. If we were all in an airplane together and it was going down, I’d reach for your hand and never think for a second about your political positions. Well, in a sense that’s the situation we’re in. It may not be as bad as many fear and I certainly hope it isn’t, but nevertheless it’s hard to overstate the seriousness of the situation. This is a real turning point for our country and I sincerely hope we can learn to listen to one another, set aside our differences and move forward together to take back our government and make it serve OUR interests as it was intended to do, not merely the interests of the wealthy and the powerful.

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posted October 21, 2008 at 6:42 am

That all being said, I firmly believe that Christian who hold fast to their religious convictions are going to be increasingly persecuted and prosecuted for those beliefs.
It is happening already, but under an entirely liberal government, it will happen more quickly.

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posted October 21, 2008 at 10:04 am

Props for you calm reasoned response.
Other than abortion rights, and that is not minor, just obvious, where do you take exception to Gov Palin’s stance on women’s issues? I think women who disagree with her fall along government involvement vs personal responsibility lines. Perhaps you’d agree.
But why the palpable hatred? Is it, as I suspect, the incongruity of a female Repub VP candidate leading to feelings of being condescended to by detestable conservatives? And she is hated for playing their game?
Would you call that accurate?

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posted October 22, 2008 at 4:28 am

“Christian who hold fast to their religious convictions are going to be increasingly persecuted and prosecuted for those beliefs.”
yup, like polygamist mormons. and boy-raping catholic priests. and the coke-snorting gay hypocrite evangelical ted haggard. and the stifling of the first amendment rights of westboro baptist church. or did you mean something else?
there’s bound to be some friction when certain religions’ convictions begin to restrict or impose upon others within a multicultural and secular society. i don’t think it’s as dire as you make it sound, but then i’m not a pessimist/doomsayer/chicken little.

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posted October 23, 2008 at 1:45 am

“That all being said, I firmly believe that Christian who hold fast to their religious convictions are going to be increasingly persecuted and prosecuted for those beliefs.”
I really don’t think so.
The sky will not fall for Christians trying to “hold fast to their religious convictions” under a more liberal government. Even if all of a liberal agenda suddenly became the law of the land there is nothing to keep you from practicing your Christian beliefs.
Don’t believe in homosexuality, don’t have sex with someone of the same sex. Don’t believe in gay marriage, don’t marry someone of the same sex. Don’t believe in abortion, don’t have one. Somehow many right leaning Christians think that if others have the liberty and freedom of choices they don’t approve of, then somehow their personal beliefs and convictions are being trampled on.

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posted November 3, 2008 at 6:59 pm

Sisters, I wonder if I might suggest something of a challenge. I used to have viewpoints very similar to yours until I started doing some reading by a man named Francis Schaeffer. “Whatever Happened to the Human Race” will help you to see why abortion isn’t just another choice. It is not worthy of respect, tolerance or anything like it. As Christians, if we get this one wrong, we replace the words of Jesus with our own easily compromised moral compass. What a horror that you are willing to approve of the murders of countless helpless, innocent lives for perceived gains in jobs, highways, schools, the size of your 401K or a bigger tax cut. My friends, THAT is not Christianity. Your hands may as well be those of the abortionist. So instead of watching “Dancing With the Stars” tonight, read this book. Christians must do more than feel, they must THINK.

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