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Palin endorsed by the president of the LA chapter of NOW!

posted by Susan Johnson

She said “This is what a feminist looks like.” Those of us who thought that feminists would never vote for a pro-life Republican have to eat our words because here is the president of the LA chapter of NOW supporting Palin!

Palin was introduced by Shelly Mandell, the president of the Los Angeles chapter of the National Organization for Women. Mandell supported Sen. Hillary Clinton during the Democratic primary, but has now endorsed the McCain-Palin ticket.

I guess the woman thing trumps the ideology. If you worked all your life to see women given the same opportunities as men, it must be tempting to see that a woman could finally make it into the WH (well, at least the number two position but a heart beat away from number one).
BTW, this is one smart feminist, she recognizes that there is more to a feminist than supporting abortion. If the feminists want to expand their number, including conservative women among their number would be smart move. Making abortion the badge of a feminist, is a sure way to continue to marginalize the movement. The movement would expand greatly if it was about empowering women as moms, workers, wives and daughters and not just empowering them to abort their baby.
Another BTW, here are some shots of the crowds. Looks like they were packed in pretty tightly. And isn’t it amazing that Obama isn’t he only candidate to draw young people.



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Michael

posted October 5, 2008 at 9:30 am


“Looks like they were packed in pretty tightly.”
She’s a celebrity and being treated like the Messiah. That’s why she’s think she’s above answering questions from the little people and the press.



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MzEllen

posted October 5, 2008 at 10:14 am


She’s being treated more like the Beatles, not the Messiah. One difference is, Palin’s main supporter (in Obama’s case, that would be Oprah) never said, “She is the one! She is the ONE!” (the way Oprah described Obama.
Is she above answering questions? I’ve heard her in numerous interviews. She just knows which Democrat shills to avoid…and that leaves her with very few interviewers.
She’s a mom…she put the press in “time out”. Just as very few Democrats interview with Sean Hannity, why would Palin volunteer to interview with what she knows will be a hostile force?
Why won’t Obama or Biden interview with Sean Hannity? Come on. We want to hear the hard questions. Please urge your candidate to interview with Hannity. Please.



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Charles Cosimano

posted October 5, 2008 at 11:11 am


How absurd. Everyone knows that feminists look like truck drivers, have no teeth, possess multicolored armpit hair and smell like a moose.
Obviously it was the smell of the moose that fooled her.



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RIGHTY CONSERVITIVE

posted October 5, 2008 at 11:13 am


PROUD DEAF AMERICAN SAY
SARAH PALIN OUR MESSIAH!
SARAH PALIN OUR MESSIAH!
SARAH PALIN OUR MESSIAH!
YEAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!@!!!@!!!!!!!!



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RIGHTY CONSERVITIVE

posted October 5, 2008 at 11:15 am


ALSO,
SARAPH PALIN UR MESSIAH TOO!!!!!! YEA!!!!!



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anonymous reincarnate

posted October 5, 2008 at 1:26 pm


“I guess the woman thing trumps the ideology.”
isn’t this akin to democrats bragging that someone might vote for obama just because he’s black? i’m not convinced that being a woman as the sole qualification for office is saying much for palin. but i guess it’s ok from your point of view, since it’s an endorsement for your messiah.
I guess the woman thing trumps the ideology.
“Another BTW, here are some shots of the crowds. Looks like they were packed in pretty tightly. And isn’t it amazing that Obama isn’t he only candidate to draw young people.”
again, according to you: bad when obama draws crowds, bad movie stars speak in support of obama, dismissive when obama draws in the young crowds; good when it’s palin.
you’re such an unabashed hypocrite.



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anonymous reincarnate

posted October 5, 2008 at 1:34 pm


typical messiah references from palin supporters (from the very pages that michele links to):
“This woman is a goddess. Pray for her and our country.”
clearly a more direct inference to a messiah figure than oprah saying “he’s the one,” which is exactly what i say when i mean “he’s the one that i’m voting for” and “he’s the one that will change washington” and “he’s the one that will help the middle class.”



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MzEllen

posted October 5, 2008 at 1:59 pm


Anon…you are most likely correct. After all Roseanne Barr declared herself a goddess as well.
If Palin is the “messiah” or even a messiah…why would she need prayer?
What the problem is with both camps is a failure to recognize the two kingdoms. The earthly kingdom and the kingdom of heaven.
There is no political figure who can save us for the kingdom of heavin. It’s why I’m not a fan of Dobson, Robertson, etc. We can and should vote our conscience (and both Democrats and Republicans do)…but confusing the kingdoms has historically brought more problems than solutions.



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yelladawgNC

posted October 5, 2008 at 3:14 pm


I’m not confusing the kingdoms one bit. It’s those who want a theocracy to rule America who are confusing them, and they’re all Republicans.
As for this endorsement, Michele neglects to mention that this woman emphasized she was speaking as an individual, not for her chapter or for the national organization, which was excoriated by conservatives for endorsing Obama. Here’s what the NOW chair Gandy said in her announcement before the National Press Club:
“The more women learn about what Sarah Palin stands for, and the fact that as mayor of Wasilla, she required rape victims to pay for the cost of processing the police evidence in their cases, up to $1,200. The fact that she opposes abortion even in the case of a child who’s been raped or is a victim of incest. Her positions are so completely out of touch with those of the majority of American women that I think those polls, even if they were right to begin with, I think they’ll be swinging back the other way very quickly as women find out what Sarah Palin stands for.”
Ellie Smeal, the chairman of the Feminist Majority:
“You know, women have true equality when conservative women and liberal women and progressive women and women from all stripes have an equal chance at the top. So, you know, we are not against a woman being on a ticket for president. But, we wish it was a ticket that stood for women and women’s rights. Since it doesn’t, we’re opposing that ticket…This ticket is not standing for the advancement of women.”
Deborah Frett, the CEO of Business and Professional Women:
“One other thing I wanted to say is that, you know, the ultimate working woman or mother is one that has the support and resources to be a successful caregiver, and an employee without penalty. And we want to see all working women have that opportunity, not just one, not just ten, all working women.”
NOW chair Gandy again:
“NOW does not frequently endorse in a presidential race. This is very unusual for us. And we did wait to see who would be on the ticket. Although Sen. Obama has a wonderful record, we did wait to see because not only was Hillary Clinton considered, but there were some names being tossed out I think not by the Obama campaign, but perhaps by the press. But there were some pretty nerve-racking names that were being tossed out as potential running mates. But, when Joe Biden was named as running mate, we’ve worked with Joe Biden literally for decades, we know him well, we know he’s an advocate, we know he’s a supporter, and we know that he’ll stand up for women because he’s done it.”



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MzEllen

posted October 5, 2008 at 3:53 pm


she required rape victims to pay for the cost of processing the police evidence in their cases, up to $1,200.
Produce one, please.
Actually, that myth has been debunked. The police department was billing insurance companies (which is pretty common practice.)
Illinois does. Obama knew (and co-sponsored HB1814).
“According to the Sexual Assault Emergency Treatment Act, the Illinois Department of Public Aid will reimburse the costs of ER treatment if you do not have public aid or private medical insurance.
Under the Illinois Crime Victim’s Compensation Act, if you report the assault to the police within 72 hours of the crime and if you file a claim application within two years of the date of the crime, you can be reimbursed for out-of-pocket medical expenses, loss of earnings, psychological counseling, and loss of support income due to the crime. Reimbursement can be up to $27,000.”
“One other thing I wanted to say is that, you know, the ultimate working woman or mother is one that has the support and resources to be a successful caregiver, and an employee without penalty. And we want to see all working women have that opportunity, not just one, not just ten, all working women.”
Flashback…(non-binding resolution) Obama would have supported raising taxes on single people (even female moms) making over $42,000. Now THAT’s support.



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Michael

posted October 5, 2008 at 4:33 pm


She’s a mom…she put the press in “time out”.
Given her own parenting track record with a unwed pregnant teen, it appears maybe she needs to rely on some other instinct because her press “time out” isn’t working either.



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yelladawgNC

posted October 5, 2008 at 4:37 pm


Produce one? You really think rape victims, in addition to being raped, suffering through a forensic exam, being denied the option of taking a “morning after” pill to insure they are not impregnated, facing their rapist in court and his lawyer’s inevitable insinuations about how she must have “asked for it” should now have to come forward in public, identify herself as a rape victim and produce a receipt to prove she paid for her own exam . . . in order to satisfy your skepticism?
Here are the facts: “In 2000, complaints about this practice in rural cities including Wasilla prompted the Alaska Legislature to pass a bill preventing alleged victims of sexual assault from being billed for forensic tests. It was signed into law by then-Gov. Tony Knowles. Palin had been the mayor of Wasilla for four years at the time, and a local paper reported that the Wasilla police chief, Charlie Fannon, defended the practice, saying he had billed women and their insurance companies for these tests rather than placing a `burden’ on taxpayers:
Mat-Su Valley Frontiersman (May 23, 2000): “In the past we’ve charged the cost of exams to the victim’s insurance company when possible. I just don’t want to see any more burden put on the taxpayer,” Fannon said. [He ignores the obvious fact that many women who are the victims of rape do not have insurance and must pay for the exams out of pocket and there was no reimbursement AT ALL for them, much less anything like the up to $27,000 provided for in the Illinois bill you mention.]
According to Fannon, the new law will cost the Wasilla Police Department approximately $5,000 to $14,000 a year to collect evidence for sexual assault cases.
“Palin wasn’t quoted in any news coverage at the time. More recently, after she was picked to be Sen. John McCain’s vice presidential running mate, her spokeswoman Maria Comella told USA Today that the governor `does not believe, nor has she ever believed, that rape victims should have to pay for an evidence-gathering test.’ Comella DECLINED TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PRACTICE AND WHAT, IF ANYTHING, SHE TRIED TO DO ABOUT IT. FANNON, WHO IS NO LONGER THE CHIEF OF POLICE, HAS NOT SPOKEN TO THE PRESS EITHER.” [emphasis mine]
“Eric Croft, a former Alaska state representative who sponsored the 2000 legislation, told CNN that `I find it hard to believe that for six months a small town, a police chief, would lead the fight against a statewide piece of legislation receiving unanimous support and the mayor not know about it.’”
http://www.factcheck.org
So, either Palin knew about the practice and supported it and her spokeswoman is lying about her position to cover her boss’s you-know-what, or Palin knew so little about what her own police chief was up to that she had no idea he was fighting a bill that would have done away with a practice she purportedly opposed. Which conclusion seems more likely to you?



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MzEllen

posted October 5, 2008 at 5:47 pm


I’m going to have to do this in segments:
In other words, you cannot produce any evidence that any (not even one) rape victim was directly billed for a rape kit.
Read please
Key quotes:
- The new law makes it illegal for any law enforcement agency to bill victims or victims insurance companies for the costs of examinations that take place to collect evidence of a sexual assault or determine if a sexual assault did occur.
- In the past weve charged the cost of exams to the victims insurance company when possible. I just dont want to see any more burden put on the taxpayer, Fannon said.
- (without citation, the reporter said) the Wasilla police department does charge the victims of sexual assault for the tests.
BUT>>>
Slate says:
“Samuels (new York Times) also quotes from an article in the local Wasilla paper that police chief Charlie Fallon didn’t want to pass the burden along to taxpayers. That is an undeniably boneheaded and offensive statement. What she leaves out is his statement that he was TRYING to bill INSURANCE COMPANIES, not victims. “In the past we’ve charged the cost of exams to the victims insurance company when possible,” is what he said. The story is old and incomplete. It doesn’t say what Fallon would do if the insurance company rejected the claim. But the current mayor of Wasilla says there is no record of a victim being charged for a rape kit.
But the fact remains that this is a nasty and untrue rumor about Sarah Palin that’s been circulating for weeks. If you’re an Obama supporter who gets frustrated that people still believe he’s Muslim or won’t put his hand on his heart for the Pledge of Allegiance, you should understand the frustration that Palin supporters feel when this slime is taken at face value.”
Again…produce proof.
Perhaps you are one who is still pushing to see Trigg’s birth certificate? That’s about how credible this rumor is as well.



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Anonymous

posted October 5, 2008 at 5:48 pm


Question: Do the women of Illinois get a bill for their rape kits? There is no record (according to the current chief of police in Wasilla) that any woman was ever directly billed. FACT.
Which conclusion seems more likely to you?
Given the fact that there is no record of any victim being directly billed, I don’t see a conflict with a mayor stating that a victim should not be billed, while the police chief is opposed to a bill that would make it illegal to bill even insurance companies
On one hand, the police chief has billed insurance companies.
On the other hand, he apparently has never billed a vicitm for a rape kit and the mayor agress that a woman should not be billed for a rape kit.
Illinois, on the other hand, does allow women to be directly billed (and reimbursed) and/or their insurance company billed.
[He ignores the obvious fact that many women who are the victims of rape do not have insurance and must pay for the exams out of pocket and there was no reimbursement AT ALL for them, much less anything like the up to $27,000 provided for in the Illinois bill you mention.]
Well, if there was any evidence that a woman had been directly billed, which there is not, you might have a point, but there is no evidence, so you don’t.



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MzEllen

posted October 5, 2008 at 5:50 pm


In fact, you REALLY don’t, due to your unfortunate mis-statement: “there was no reimbursement AT ALL for them”
Please see The State of Alaska, Violent Crimes Compensation Board
The minutes from Alaska
CHAIR JAMES asked if she understood correctly that Mr. Smith is saying that the department has never billed a victim for exams.
DEL SMITH, Deputy Commissioner, Department of Public Safety: replied that the department might have been billed, but
he has not found any police agency that has ever billed a victim.



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Jack Fertig

posted October 5, 2008 at 11:17 pm


If Sarah Palin is what a feminist looks like it’s only because of her resemblence to Tina Fey.



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anonymous reincarnate

posted October 6, 2008 at 1:05 am


“Again…produce proof.”
that’s funny. thanks for the amusement. since when does proof or fact or common sense matter a lick to the right?



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MzEllen

posted October 6, 2008 at 7:16 am


since when does proof or fact or common sense matter a lick to the right?

Well, since I’ve just produced evidence that common sense would say means that the rape-kit myth is just that…
It seems that it means little or nothing to the left.
At least I can see no evidence of common sense on the part of the left in this thread.



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anonymous reincarnate

posted October 10, 2008 at 4:58 pm


then your mistaken yet again. the issue of the rape kits is that under the mayorship of sahrah “rape kit” palin, the city had a policy on the books that would bill the insurance company of the victim, or the victim itself. that’s indisputable fact.
no matter how many times you spout off that there weren’t any documented cases found of the city actually billing a victim does not make the issue a “myth.”
nice try at brushing this off, though.



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