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Posted by SusanJust doing my part to stop the mis-characterization that somehow McCain supporters condone racism. This incident, I’m sure, will not make the evening news. With all the talk of Obama being a unifier, what about McCain bringing Muslims and Christians together?



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anonymous reincarnate

posted October 20, 2008 at 9:05 pm


that’s good news. calling both mccain and his sidekick out on their hate/riot building among their supporters has at least made some people aware enough to begin making corrections.
too bad mccain and his sidekick didn’t do this themselves. nope, they call him a terrorist, a socialist. they let righties invoke his middle name as a way to tie him to saddam, and to continue the lie that he’s muslim. desperation does horrible things to a “maverick’s” honor.
you did notice that the bigots were in fact mccain supporters. guess that group of mccain supporters did, in fact support racism. go figure.



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MzEllen

posted October 20, 2008 at 9:17 pm


they call him a terrorist, a socialist. they let righties invoke his middle name as a way to tie him to saddam, and to continue the lie that he’s muslim. desperation does horrible things to a “maverick’s” honor.
Not that he is a terrorist…he is a close associate with an unrepentant terrorist (he is).
And his “spread the wealth around” and national health care ideologies are socialist tendencies.
His middle name? The more Obama denies his Muslim childhood, the more it will come up. He should embrace it, not deny it. Frankly, I am sure that (politically at least), Obama is not Muslim. Most Muslims are way less liberal than Obama.
you did notice that the bigots were in fact mccain supporters. guess that group of mccain supporters did, in fact support racism. go figure.
Go listen to some of Jeremiah Wright’s sermons. And the “Black Liberation Theology” that he holds to.
There are racists on both sides.



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Scott R.

posted October 20, 2008 at 10:36 pm


This man does not have a “close” association with Ayers. Nor did he have a Muslim childhood.
I thought bearing false witness is a sin. Or is that only to people you like or go to the same kind of church as you?



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MzEllen

posted October 20, 2008 at 11:28 pm


Together, Ayers and Obama (Ayers on the policy arm, Obama on the financial arm) chaired the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. Ayers wrote the original grant and Obama was named the first chair. Ayers headed up the policy and Obama would have had to approve the expenditures. I’ve been on volunteer community service boards, this was not a “casual” relationship.
Nor did he have a Muslim childhood.
“My whole family was Muslim, and most of the people I knew were Muslim.” Obama’s sister
He was in a school in Indonisia registered under the name of Barry Soetoro, serial number 203. The school registration document identifies Barry Soetoro as an Indonesian citizen and his religion was identified as Islam.
In his autobiography, Dreams of My Father, Obama tells how he got into trouble for making faces during Koranic studies; Indonesian students in his day attended religious classes according to their faith.
I thought bearing false witness is a sin.
So is false accusation.
Or is that only to people you like or go to the same kind of church as you?
dig…dig…



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anonymous reincarnate

posted October 21, 2008 at 1:07 am


well, i started with a good assault on your intelligence and credibility, but i don’t think i need to say anything about that.
“…close associate with an unrepentant terrorist(he is).”
first of all, ayers is a radical activist not a terrorist, no matter how many times you call him that. secondly, he’s become a respected and respectable person in his community. and finally:

“The two men do not appear to have been close. Nor has Mr. Obama ever expressed sympathy for the radical views and actions of Mr. Ayers.”
which is exactly what every investigation has revealed. sorry to burst your bubble. what is that thing that you always demand – evidence, proof? you may have had intimate relationships with people on volunteer community service boards, that doesn’t mean that everyone does. i certainly didn’t with the grant-writing board that i sat on for a non-profit. you make accusations but don’t back them up. do you have evidence that obama shares ayers’s radical views?
“In his autobiography, Dreams of My Father, Obama tells how he got into trouble for making faces during Koranic studies; Indonesian students in his day attended religious classes according to their faith.”
wow… and how many people here go to catholic school but are not catholic? according to your logic, anyone who studies the koran is automatically muslim, and i guess anyone who watches “angel” is a vampire. absurd.
but like colin powell aptly put it, the right answer is “so what if he was muslim?” those who raise these fears are not only anti-muslim, but unamerican.



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yelladawgNC

posted October 21, 2008 at 1:27 am


Newsweek:
“Barack Obama has never been Muslim and never practiced Islam. But rumors about his religion intended to frighten some voters persist, and they mostly return to one point of fact: his name. “Barack” is the candidate’s Kenyan father’s name; Obama’s middle name, “Hussein,” is his grandfather’s name. Obama has described his father as atheist or agnostic. His Kansan mom, whose grandparents were devout Protestants, lived a secular life. Obama’s only personal contact with Islam came as a boy when he moved to Jakarta, Indonesia, with a stepfather who mixed his Islam with Hindu and Animist traditions. In five years there, Obama attended a Roman Catholic school, then a public elementary school, where he sat through a class each week of religious studies. As an adult, Obama turned to Christianity in the late ’80s in Chicago, at Trinity United Church of Christ, where he was baptized, married‹and baptized his kids. As a new U.S. senator, Obama took his oath on the family Bible.”
The Boston Globe Debunks Muslim Smear Too:
“Obama is a member of the United Church of Christ. His Kenyan paternal grandfather and Indonesian stepfather were Muslim, but he attended secular and Catholic schools and was never a practicing Muslim.”
As far as Ayers goes, just what sort of sinister influence do you think he wields over Obama? They worked on that Annenberg-funded board in the mid-1990′s. Do you suppose they sat around afterwards at the local tavern plotting to overthrow the government, or what? Do you think Obama listened raptly to Prof. Ayers tell stories about the Weather Underground and how they managed to blow up their own house? Do you think Obama is plotting to blow up the White House as soon as he moves in? Just what do you think this mysterious “association” consists of? What are its effects, and where is your evidence for them?
As I’ve said before, there is no “there” there. And you know it, too, as do 95% of Americans capable of forming a rational thought. I wish Republicans wouldn’t resort to this kind of smear and fear-mongering. At least once a day I think about that poor old woman at the McCain rally who said she couldn’t trust Obama because he was an “Arab.” She is living in constant fear. She printed some garbage off the Internet and is convinced it’s true.
And who threw her and millions like her into the panic that no doubt keeps them awake at night, trembling and anxious, frightened out of their wits? Not Obama. Not the Democrats. Think about that, MzEllen. Your party, your candidates, are scaring her and people like her to death, quite deliberately, in cold blood. You might even say they are terrorizing that poor old woman.
And what do we call people who terrorize other people? That’s right: we call them terrorists.



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anonymous reincarnate

posted October 21, 2008 at 1:58 am


hey, remember the revelation that mccain had an illegitimate black baby???
i guess the october surprise is going to be that obama has TWO legitimate black babies. abc news has reported that mccain has brought warren tompkins on board.
get ready for mcnasty to get mcnastier. as he said then, “I believe that there is a special place in hell for people like those.” i guess his campaign is close enough.
blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/mccain-campai-3.html



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MzEllen

posted October 21, 2008 at 7:05 am


first of all, ayers is a radical activist not a terrorist,
Depends on what the definition of “is” is.
from dictionary.com “terrorist”: One that engages in acts or an act of terrorism.
“terrorism”: The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
As a member of a terrorist group (who engaged in the unlawful use of violence against property…I’d say the dictionary agrees with me.
wow… and how many people here go to catholic school but are not catholic? according to your logic, anyone who studies the koran is automatically muslim, and i guess anyone who watches “angel” is a vampire. absurd.
My kids almost did…but on the other hand, they did not pray in Roman Catholic churches, live in a Roman Catholic land, live with a Roman Catholic father and stepfather.
Because he lived (and went to the mosque to pray with with) his Muslim step-father, learned the prayers, learned to pray, learned to look like, learned to act like…he had a Muslim childhood.
I know many Christians who had a Christian childhood, but are not Christians. My brother is one.
Obama is not a Muslim, but the more the childhood is hidden, the more it appears he has something to hide.
As far as Ayers goes, just what sort of sinister influence do you think he wields over Obama?
The socialist kind. I wrote a rather lengthy comment a few days ago; it’s not about the Weather Underground, it’s about socialism. And the folks that Obama surrounds himself with.
well, i started with a good assault on your intelligence and credibility, but i don’t think i need to say anything about that.
You started right off with a personal attack this time.
After this post, I’d done with this thread.
From another thread: This is a real turning point for our country and I sincerely hope we can learn to listen to one another, set aside our differences and move forward together
Look at this thread. AR immediately attacked my intelligence and credibility over a difference of opinion. I look at interviews, I read Ayers’ book, listen to his speeches. I read Obama’s books and listen to his speeches.
I see a Muslim upbringing and see a Muslim childhood.
I see a man who was in a group of people who bombed buildings and says that he wishes they had done more and see a terrorist (although he currently is not, I believe that it shows a lack of judgment on Obama’s part – AND Ayers is still a “small c communist” and socialist who greatly respects Hugo Chavez and in 2006 gave a speech at an even hosted by Chavez, praising the direction that Chavez is taking his country) and I see red flags.
For these differences of opinion, AR attacks.
Like I believe that will changed if your side holds the white house, congress and supreme court?
Like I believe in Santa Claus.



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anonymous reincarnate

posted October 21, 2008 at 1:50 pm


“I’d say the dictionary agrees with me.”
of course you would say so. however, i don’t buy into the “against property” definition since property does not fear. i think that the following 1958 webster definition agrees with me:

terrorism, n. Method of government by inspiring terror by acts of brutality and savagery.

given the overly broad redefinition which you prefer, the theft and burning of obama signs, keying cars with obama stickers, vandalizing homes with obama flags are acts of terrorism. sorry, while i detest those actions, i hardly consider them acts of terrorism. also by your application of that definition, any member of the cia is a terrorist, since our current government (including both bush and mccain) condones torture, including waterboarding… such actions are systematic uses of fear and intimidation to achieve an end. for that matter, it’s terrorism even under the much earlier definition of the word.
which bombings is ayers responsible for? do terrorists leave leaflets warning people that some statue is going to be bombed? such a warning deflates the “terror” of the situation and he never targeted people. terror/ist/ism are words that are overused today, especially by the right, to broadly paint people they don’t like. even peaceful protest groups are ending up on terrorist lists by the hands of republicans. the right accuses the left of changing the definition of words. well, i’m quite tired of the right changing the meaning of words to favor their own agenda. ayers was a radical anti-war activist. i don’t condone what he did, but i also don’t try to mischaracterize him either.
“Obama is not a Muslim”
thank you for admitting at least some reality. now move on a few sentences.
“I see a Muslim upbringing and see a Muslim childhood.”
excuse me? he’s not a muslim, but he was “near” it as a child? and that’s a problem how? i ask, what does it matter? your answer: [queue scary music] “… it appears he has something to hide.” who is hiding his childhood? the press has reported on this, obama has himself written about this. do we know as much about mccain or palin and does it matter?
“For these differences of opinion, AR attacks.”
you say that it’s not about obama being a muslim, but keep talking about it as if it is; that it’s not about the weather underground, but keep talking about it as if it is; that it’s not about his race, but keep talking about it as if it is. doublespeak.
the right constantly trots out “liberal” and when that’s not scary enough, they tie liberal to “socialist” and when that’s not scary enough, they tie “socialist” to “communist” and “marxist.” and if that doesn’t move the polls in their favor, they pull out “terrorist.”
THAT is why i question your intelligence and credibility. read all the books you want, listen to all the speeches you want. what does it matter when you only use pieces of it to reinforce your own preconceived misconceptions? you hear what you want to hear and read what you want to read. you can have your own opinions, but i don’t have to respect them.
i’m sure you’re a nice person and all that, but how should i address your lack of intelligence and credibility without it coming across as a personal attack? take for example the “generosity index” that you threw out as some sort of evidence that conservatives are more giving and charitable than liberals… i showed that the index itself is flawed, twisted, and incredible (as in the “original” meaning of the word). how can you be believed when you rely on sources as that? how should i measure your intelligence if you can’t break down some simple math used in that index to push an agenda but instead you simply buy into it because on its face it reinforces your point?
the truth is, that anyone still talking about some nefarious ayers/obama connection, or obama’s religion, or some scary “socialist” agenda – in light of the real problems that we face today – is an idiot. and that includes me. because if there’s anyone who still believes this bullshit today, they will not be convinced otherwise… ever.



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