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posted by Diana Butler Bass


Yesterday, a friend sent me a link to a video from
Southwestern Baptist Seminary in Fort Worth, Texas entitled “Taking the
Hill.”
  I thought it might be a
political video encouraging conservative Christians to go to Washington to
lobby against health care or some such thing.  Actually, it was much worse.  “Taking the Hill” is a bizarre call to evangelize depicting
Christians as “soldiers” in a war for souls under their “real”
commander-in-chief, Jesus.  It
reveals almost pornographic-religious obsession with guns and violence that
should be deeply disturbing for any faith community.

The “Taking the Hill” campaign was launched last month
at the seminary.  According the
September 17 edition of The Baptist
Press,
President Paige Patterson 
kicked off the project:

FORT WORTH, Texas (BP)–Dressed in
camouflage and stationed as the gunner in a Chenowth Desert Fast Attack
Vehicle, Paige Patterson stormed onto the chapel stage.??After firing a round
of blanks from a .50-caliber Browning machine gun, Southwestern Baptist
Theological Seminary’s president took his place behind the pulpit and initiated
operation “Taking the Hill.”

 

….Patterson lifted his Bible,
pointing out that God has armed believers with His Word, along with prayer and
proclamation. Then, reading 2 Corinthians 5, he urged believers to testify to
the Gospel of Christ, reminding them of Paul’s motivation: the “terror of
the Lord,” the righteous judge of all men and women, and the “love of
Christ,” who died to save all who believe.

 

….Lifting his left hand, Patterson
saw that it was covered with blood — the blood of a woman who died without
hearing the Gospel although she lived less than a mile from the seminary. His
right hand was covered with the blood of a man who took his own life because
Patterson did not witness to him at God’s prompting.

 

I know that it is a free country, and that we have both
religious freedom and certain rights to own guns.  But when these two rights interweave–as they are doing–it is dangerous to both church and state.  Any church that advances such a crusading and violent vision
is far from its founder’s vision, “Blessed are the peacemakers, for theirs is
the Kingdom of God.”  And the state
that fails to understand that people with guns who believe that God has armed
them are dangerous isn’t serving the good of a peaceable society.  

Although weapons and religion may have been natural
partners in the Middle Ages or on the American frontier, isn’t it time to
recognize that we live in the twenty-first century?  Guns and grace don’t go together.  Shouldn’t true religion–genuinely transformative faith–call God’s
people away from violence and toward passionate peacemaking?

 

 



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Blue Collar Todd

posted October 1, 2009 at 1:07 pm


I think your postmodernism is leading you to react to fact that the Gospel is being preached than anything else. There is no other name by which mankind can be saved. Jesus Christ is the exclusive Savior of mankind and the only Lord that ought to be obeyed. There are many biblical references to spiritual warfare and that God’s Word is like a sword, so there no new imagery in these videos, just updated. Maybe they should have been carrying swords to be more accurate?
There is nothing violent being advocated in these videos, just a call to preach the Gospel. Have we come to a place in America where preaching the Gospel of salvation in Jesus Christ is seen as violent? I hope not.



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Blue Collar Todd

posted October 1, 2009 at 1:08 pm


I think your postmodernism is leading you to react to fact that the Gospel is being preached than anything else. There is no other name by which mankind can be saved. Jesus Christ is the exclusive Savior of mankind and the only Lord that ought to be obeyed. There are many biblical references to spiritual warfare and that God’s Word is like a sword, so there no new imagery in these videos, just updated. Maybe they should have been carrying swords to be more accurate?
There is nothing violent being advocated in these videos, just a call to preach the Gospel. Have we come to a place in America where preaching the Gospel of salvation in Jesus Christ is seen as violent? I hope not.



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jestrfyl

posted October 1, 2009 at 1:57 pm


So in what is their trust – guns or grace? It seems the immediate and visceral image is the gun, a deadly threat that does not offer positive consequence. Basically it is “Believe or die”. Only the weak and spiritually feeble will succumb to the threat. Sure, they need help more than some others, but at what real cost? I doubt this whole strategy has been well thought through.
Trust in God’s grace – it is of a higher caliber than anything humanity can create.



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Diana Butler Bass

posted October 1, 2009 at 3:40 pm


B-C-T:
Thanks for clearing up that bit about my “postmodernism” for me. I thought it was my deep love and passion for Jesus, The Prince of Peace, the one who will beat our swords into plowshares, that made me want to hurl when I saw “Taking the Hill.”
The Baptist Seminary doesn’t have a biblical leg to stand on for this painfully offensive presentation of the “Gospel.” It is a different religion that the one I learned in Methodist Sunday school and read in the scriptures.



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John Dornheim

posted October 1, 2009 at 3:57 pm


Somehow, I don’t think that trying to scare the bejeezus out of people is what the Great Commission is all about.



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Larry

posted October 1, 2009 at 4:08 pm


Diana, thank you for exposing this lunacy. I know you and I disagree about guns and Second Amendment. But where do these people equate Christianity with militancy and guns? We can disagree about Health Reform, but how do these people know what Jesus would do? The Health Care Reform debate is much more complex than what these simple-minded people can probably fathom. The vast majority of Christians want reform, but we disagree on how to achieve it.
I always wonder if these Charlatans who want no reform already have health insurance coverage? Would they think differently about what Jesus would do if they didn’t have health insurance or couldn’t get insurance?
I wonder if Jesus would be denied health insurance coverage due to pre-existing conditions?
Keep up the good work Diana.



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Larry

posted October 1, 2009 at 4:08 pm


Diana, thank you for exposing this lunacy. I know you and I disagree about guns and Second Amendment. But where do these people equate Christianity with militancy and guns? We can disagree about Health Reform, but how do these people know what Jesus would do? The Health Care Reform debate is much more complex than what these simple-minded people can probably fathom. The vast majority of Christians want reform, but we disagree on how to achieve it.
I always wonder if these Charlatans who want no reform already have health insurance coverage? Would they think differently about what Jesus would do if they didn’t have health insurance or couldn’t get insurance?
I wonder if Jesus would be denied health insurance coverage due to pre-existing conditions?
Keep up the good work Diana.



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Cynthia Astle

posted October 1, 2009 at 4:38 pm


Like many other Christians, I was appalled to see the “Taking the Hill” video. Being a different kind of direct-action Christian, I immediately wrote to Zach Bowden, the public relations director for SWBTS, to tell him that I am withdrawing my support of the seminary’s heretofore excellent programs in religion communications. I have posted the link on Facebook with an encouragement for others to read and respond.
SWBTS needs to be held accountable by other Christians for this gross perversity of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.



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Joe McClurg

posted October 1, 2009 at 4:50 pm


Having been in a real war, with real guns, real bullets, and real blood, I am beyond disgusted. This is not the Great Commission.



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Panthera

posted October 1, 2009 at 5:14 pm


Ah, but is this not the logical next step for the conservative Christians in America?
Haven’t all these discussion on humans status for gays, God’s position on the use of torture, the right to self-determination for women over the last years here shown this?
Blue Collar Todd, we have seldom agreed on anything, and yet I firmly believed you were basing your world view on our common religion, Christianity.
Boy was I wrong.
Proverbs 11:29
He that troubleth his own house shall inherit the wind…
Which is precisely what you conservative Christians with your guns and your threats of violence towards the rest of us Christians are doing. Oh, right, you consider us neither fully human nor Christian.
Disturbing, very disturbing. Diana, thanks for being brave enough to tackle this. For those of us who have been saying this for years in the anonymity of the comboxes, it is easy to point these things out. You have real courage.
I can only appeal to all Christians to reflect on Christ’s words:
Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
—Matthew 26:52, King James Version



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Taylor Burton-Edwards

posted October 1, 2009 at 5:16 pm


Un- be- lievable….
The videos were bad enough. Paige Patterson’s shenanigans in a place of worship, I can’t begin to express how I was to read that.
One Twitter comment (zachtroberts)on the SWBTS page was from a graduate ready to ask for his MDiv to be rescinded. Here’s what he wrote:
I may return my M.Div for this. Appalling but not surprising. http://bit.ly/fvn4h // Srsly! They have freaking guns?!?
This is one of those times where the only thing to do is pray–
Kyrie, eleison!



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Blue Collar Todd

posted October 1, 2009 at 5:27 pm


Steve Camp has a powerful song called Run To The Battle and someone put the music to scenes from Braveheart. This may be a battle analogy since God’s Word is likened to a sword. The music starts about one minute into the video. Listen to lyrics because they are based on Scripture and illustrate the fact that we are in a spiritual war for people’s souls.
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David Hicks

posted October 1, 2009 at 5:43 pm


Ah, Page Patterson, was it not the sin of Judas that he wanted a warrior Messiah? Have there already not been enough violence and gun shots in holy places? Have you no sense of respect for the students you lead? This program is both a heresy and a travesty and should be proclaimed as such by all who love the Prince of Peace. Having watched the video and now read about what Patterson did in front of the students, I write now with tears in my eyes. This is all just so wrong! So offensive! So demonic! Kyrie eleison. Christe, eleison. Kyrie, elison.O God come to our assistance. Oh Lord, make haste to help us!



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The Truth

posted October 1, 2009 at 5:51 pm


The military theme used by Southwestern’s Taking the Hill campaign is just to get people involved and motivated to the purpose of the campaign. The purpose is to share the Gospel. There is nothing militaristic about the way that Southwestern is actually approaching the people who are being witnessed to. They are simply showing them the love of Christ. It is disheartening to me that “Christians” would be the very ones attacking this plan to share the Gospel with nonbelievers. Hell is real, and if we do not share the Gospel, there are billions of people who will suffer there for eternity. That is cause for a serious challenge, and that is the motivation of the campaign. While it would be a lot easier to ignore the existence of the enemy, that fact is unmistakably clear in scripture. There is spiritual warfare all around. Ignorance to that fact does not keep you safe from that. By GRACE, people have the opportunity to experience relationship and eternity with Him. Grace is not being left out of the equation. We must tell the world about the grace of Jesus Christ, and that is exactly what Southwestern is doing…providing hope to the lost. I encourage you not to draw false conclusions about a true desire to see the world come to know Jesus Christ.



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Taylor Burton-Edwards

posted October 1, 2009 at 8:12 pm


To “The Truth”…
Perhaps you have not read Soren Kierkegaard’s “Purity of Heart Is to Will One Thing” (you can find good translations online).
He points out– as does scripture quite often– that one cannot hope to accomplish good ends by less than good, truthful means.
The means in this case may indeed excite some students to action. But they are also not good in themselves. They are not good in themselves because they do not accurately portray the nature of the work to be done. Scripture NEVER describes evangelism as spiritual warfare. Not once. It is living as Christians– those who follow the way of Jesus– that is so described.
We are not critiquing the desire to have students directly involved in evangelism. Surely, that is an appropriate thing for a seminary to teach.
We ARE critiquing the means used to motivate students to do so. This is so incompatible with the teaching of Jesus NOT to “Lord it over others”– and so completely insensitive to the neighbors (Do they want to be targeted by people with guns? That is the unmistakable and frightening visual message here!).
Do evangelize, and do it well. But end this campaign– it undoes the good you may have hoped to do, even before you start.



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Tom

posted October 1, 2009 at 8:24 pm


Ever since Constantine thought the Lord gave him permission to conquer in the sign of the cross as a sword’s hilt, Christianity and violence have been bed-partners, and what a bunch of twisted children this sick relationship has produced.
Sadly, the military imagery of the video flies in the face of everything Jesus offered … and we call him the Prince of Peace … yet these sad folk, little boys playing soldier in the backyard, sully the name of Christ with violent images.
No, this is just plain shameful, and whoever thought this up has to have delusions of grandeur and a strange love for weapons.
This is not the gospel.
This is one of the most shameful things I’ve ever seen in the name of Christ.



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Props to Blue Collar Todd

posted October 2, 2009 at 12:36 am


Seems to me like Blue Collar Todd is one of the few here who really gets it in the comments. It isn’t about playing with guns, it’s about motivating men and women to share the gospel. Plain and simple. Heaven and hell exist, the battle is real, and we need to be as serious as possible to reach out to those around us with the life-saving message entrusted to us in God’s Word through His son, Jesus Christ. Seems like most people commenting here are convicted by their own lack of action to confront a dying world with the message of Jesus and hiding behind a facade of outrage and misunderstanding. Jesus isn’t a hippy, granola, easy-going dude, and if you think He’s gonna come back riding a My Little Pony horse with a rainbow mane, think again. The depiction of Armageddon is bloody and their blood will be on our hands, as Patterson preached from Scripture, if we don’t do everything possible to reach them. I applaud Southwestern for their commitment to evangelism.



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There is Love

posted October 2, 2009 at 12:44 am


There is love behind this campaign. Comments in ignorance should stop. Listen to Patterson’s sermon and then decide. Don’t just take the word of Ms. Bass who selectively picked lines from a press release to embellish her side. Inform yourself, ask of the Lord, and stop being so cowardly.
PATTERSON: “That is quite a bit of fire power up there, but it is totally inadequate,” Patterson said. “As a matter of fact, it’s not even the kind of weaponry that actually works. That weaponry maims and kills. The weaponry that we need is weaponry that brings life. That weaponry brings sorrow and heartache. We need weaponry that brings joy and happiness. This weaponry has the prospect of bringing things to an end. We need weaponry that opens eternity. What kind of weaponry would do that?”
Patterson lifted his Bible, pointing out that God has armed believers with His Word, along with prayer and proclamation. Then, reading 2 Corinthians 5, he urged believers to testify to the Gospel of Christ, and he reminded them of Paul’s own motivation: the “terror of the Lord,” the righteous judge of all men and women; and the “love of Christ,” who died to save all who believe.
“What keeps you from hell and makes heaven possible,” Patterson said, “what keeps you from the ravages of death and makes life a possibility for you, what keeps you from having the sorrow of the world and gives you the joy of Jesus Christ is a God who loves you so much that He gave Himself. What kind of an individual (are you) if you do not love Him enough … to do a simple thing that He asks, and tell everybody else what He has done.”



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Blue Collar Todd

posted October 2, 2009 at 2:39 am


Here are a couple of verses from God’s Word that use this warfare and sword imagery that I think bears on this issue.
“Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the saints.
Pray also for me, that whenever I open my mouth, words may be given me so that I will fearlessly make known the mystery of the gospel, for which I am an ambassador in chains. Pray that I may declare it fearlessly, as I should.” Ephesians 6:10-20
“For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.” Hebrews 4:12-13

This Seminary does not mix nationalism with these videos as far as I can tell. The tendency of the Right to wrap the Bible in the U.S. is wrong so is the Left’s wrapping the Bible in the U.N. and globalism. God’s Word is the only objective check on power. And I am thankful, like Paul, that there are those preaching the Gospel.
“It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill. The latter do so in love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains. But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.” Philippians 1:15-18



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Panthera

posted October 2, 2009 at 6:14 am


Sigh.
OK, so now I get it. When Jesus literally says put away the sword, that doesn’t count.
When certain Bible versus metaphorically speak of the fight against evil, then it is fine to translate that directly into dressing up like soldiers and brandishing guns.
You folks on the conservative right who are defending this have not got a clue how this comes across if you think this is the way to save people through Christ’s loving sacrifice for us.
Showing up at the town halls in August and to meet the president with guns did nothing for your folks’ case with the rest of us. On the contrary, you pretty much cemented our firm belief that you were gearing up for sedition.
When we now see all these calls for bring guns to church and dressing up in combat uniform, we don’t think about you going door to door winning souls for Christ. We think: You’re getting ready to wage an armed insurrection against the legal government of the US and this is your clear call to arms.



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Panthera

posted October 2, 2009 at 6:15 am


make that ‘verses’ not versus. Sorry ’bout that.



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David Justin Lynch

posted October 2, 2009 at 9:35 am


I do not agree with DBB on everything but here she is absolutely correct. Guns and Christianity are simply not compatible.



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Diana Butler Bass

posted October 2, 2009 at 10:39 am


The verses cited in defense of SW seminary are a metaphor–not literal swords or armor. But Jesus’ preaching of the Kingdom was not a metaphor. He taught and worked for and envisioned a real world free of imperial domination and violence.
Paige Patterson went into an chapel and started shooting at students. No matter they were blanks. What kind of horror must this have raised in the minds of those present? This isn’t motivational; this is abuse. And what of the memory of the students who died in Columbine? Of the churchgoes killed in Tennessee?
This is NOT Christianity. And there is no defense of it–historically, biblically, or theologically–that is in any way convincing. And it is the very reason why so many people are abandoning the Christian faith in favor of “none of the above.”



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Your Name

posted October 2, 2009 at 5:00 pm


This is the sort of thing which makes a non-theist like me quiver in my spaceboots. It speaks to my fears of gun-toating, religiously based zealotry. It tars American Evangelical Christianity with a stereotypical redneck brush, and obscures the real accomplishments of people who quietly do good works through their faith.
It is this, combined with what I see as the desire to imminentize a violent eschatology that scares the bejeezus out of me. It is not fear of hell, but fear of the hell these people might make on earth that gets me. It is dangerous and narrow.
If you want to evangelize your faith, do it through who you become living the ideals of your faith. Do it through charitable works. Do it through loving your neighbour, feeding and socializing with the marginal members of society. Do it by being unattached to the material hype and consumerist lifestyle. Do it in these ways, and you will have my positive attention. This other approach will merely want me to get as far away from your ilk as I possibly can.



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Mick

posted October 3, 2009 at 2:54 am


Good grief, look at the video and you hear a preacher telling the kids to be polite , don’t even chew gum when you knock on a door.
This was a silly video trying to get people excited about Evangelizing .
“This is NOT Christianity. And there is no defense of it
So Diane how many people have you led to the Lord this year ?
In your life. How many people have you prayed for to healed by the touch of God . Howmany times have you attacked those of a Christian faith based on a religious spirit ?
What are you talking about ? Their are churches where Pastors are openly living in sexually relationships with another man and having it endorsed by their denominations . Pastors claiming that Christ never was raised for the dead , liberal theology teaching their is no hell . Jesue claims all these things to have happened or to be so .
A religious spirit is one who uses God’s word to execute their own will . He or she do not carry out God’s word with God’s heart and interests but uses god’s words to carry out his or her own passion and own interests . I don’t like guns , and sure know people who do . We have a different culture from gun owners , but that is apparently all you and I have in common .
I also know the Bible uses war like anologies all the time , and Paul used references to sporting events also . To my culture I would choose sports ,these folks are comfortable with this . Your Christianity is not gaining people , but The Christianity that offers Hope, Mercy , Grace , and Love sure is . Forgive their lower then low attempts to reach souls for Christ . What have you done lately except mock those wo are at least trying to reach people ?



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cx

posted October 3, 2009 at 7:03 am


That’s just the conservative way. They’re just like infants at this point. An infant will fuss and fume and throw a fit while they’re working up a bowel movement, and then relax once the event is accomplished.
However, conservatives are working toward the assassination of our President. And like infants, they won’t know precisely how it happens, and they won’t be responsible for the action they worked so hard toward.



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Tom Holderness, Sarasota FL

posted October 3, 2009 at 10:38 pm


Right-on brother. Sometimes I believe the Christian Right is neither.



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Ellyn

posted October 4, 2009 at 4:45 pm


It saddens me to think how far we have come, as Christians, from the messages Jesus brought to us. If He walked among us today, and asked us to turn the other cheek, to lay down our weapons, to love our enemies and to not pass judgement on others, we would call him cowardly and weak.
As we turn our evangelism more and more to the metaphors of war and violent weapons, I wonder how much farther it is on the path to sameness with the radical Islamic terrorists who maim and kill in the name of God.



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Your Name

posted October 5, 2009 at 3:54 pm


Panthera,
Where in the scriptures did Jesus literally say to put away the sword? Are you talking about Peter when he tried to take off the ear of the high priest’s servant’s ear as they came to take Jesus before Pilate? Also, with all respect, where did Jesus literally talk about the right of self-determination to women? What does that mean? Self-determination? What did Jesus mean when he said if anyone come after me let them deny themself and pick up their cross daily and follow me? Help me understand the contradiction here?



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Husband

posted October 13, 2009 at 2:40 pm


To “There is (NO) love” (and also to BCT and your alter ego),
Interesting that you use quotes from Patterson himself that disprove your claims…
“PATTERSON: “That is quite a bit of fire power up there, but it is totally inadequate,” Patterson said.”
And yet he used this “inadequate” weaponry as an illustration.
“As a matter of fact, it’s not even the kind of weaponry that actually works.”
And yet he used it.
“That weaponry maims and kills.”
And yet he used it.
“That weaponry brings sorrow and heartache.”
And yet he used it.
“We need weaponry that brings joy and happiness. This weaponry has the prospect of bringing things to an end.”
And yet he used it.
“We need weaponry that opens eternity. What kind of weaponry would do that?”
Patterson lifted his Bible”

Pretty lame after a round of gunfire, I think.
“pointing out that God has armed believers with His Word, along with prayer and proclamation.”
And yet, despite this ‘armature’ from God (how it hurts to even type that), he used real, actual killing machines (their sole purpose) to ‘illustrate’ his ‘point’.
Absolute lunacy. But we’ve very much come to expect that from the “Christian” “right”. God help America.



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NC77

posted October 13, 2009 at 2:48 pm


How convenient to leave out the third, fourth and sixth paragraph that gives context to what happened and what was sais at the Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary event.
After firing a round of blanks from a .50-caliber Browning machine gun, Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary’s president took his place behind the pulpit and initiated operation “Taking the Hill.”
Ommitted from blog post…
“We are taking the Hill,” Patterson announced Sept. 3. Taking the Hill is Southwestern’s effort to reach nearly 6,700 households within a one-mile radius of the Texas campus with the Gospel through door-to-door personal evangelism by teams of seminary students, faculty and staff.
Looking back at his Fast Attack Vehicle and machine gun, Patterson said, “That is quite a bit of firepower up there, but it is totally inadequate. As a matter of fact, it’s not even the kind of weaponry that actually works. That weaponry maims and kills. The weaponry that we need is weaponry that brings life. That weaponry brings sorrow and heartache. We need weaponry that brings joy and happiness. This weaponry has the prospect of bringing things to an end. We need weaponry that opens eternity. What kind of weaponry would do that?”
Included in blog post…..
Patterson lifted his Bible, pointing out that God has armed believers with His Word, along with prayer and proclamation. Then, reading 2 Corinthians 5, he urged believers to testify to the Gospel of Christ, reminding them of Paul’s motivation: the “terror of the Lord,” the righteous judge of all men and women, and the “love of Christ,” who died to save all who believe.
Ommitted from blog post…..
“What keeps you from hell and makes heaven possible,” Patterson said. “what keeps you from the ravages of death and makes life a possibility for you, what keeps you from having the sorrow of the world and gives you the joy of Jesus Christ is a God who loves you so much that He gave Himself. What kind of an individual [are you] if you do not love Him enough … to do a simple thing that He asks, and tell everybody else what He has done?”
Any point can be made when we only have part of the story.



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Husband

posted October 13, 2009 at 2:51 pm


This bears repeating …
“If you want to evangelize your faith, do it through who you become living the ideals of your faith. Do it through charitable works. Do it through loving your neighbour, feeding and socializing with the marginal members of society. Do it by being unattached to the material hype and consumerist lifestyle. Do it in these ways, and you will have my positive attention. This other approach will merely want me to get as far away from your ilk as I possibly can.”
You Blue Collar types ought to take a second to actually think about the effect of your “witness”. The anonymous Your Name (whom I quoted) proves to you that this para-military style of ‘ministering’ actually sends people away from the very Christ you think you’re attracting them to. Think again. (Or, perhaps more accurately, for the first time.)



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Husband

posted October 13, 2009 at 3:01 pm


NC77,
You know what? I think “After firing a round of blanks from a .50-caliber Browning machine gun”, (and in a church, no less! Anyone remember where the doctor was assassinated? Oh yeah, right, now I remember – in a Church! Have you guys got a single clue?) it really wouldn’t matter WHAT he said.
Poor judgement and a p!ss poor example of the message of the Prince of Peace.



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McYo

posted October 17, 2009 at 11:30 pm


Hey…did any of the gun-weilding geniuses stop and think why Jesus let people piss and (literally) spit on him when he was suffering for our sake? I’ll tell you: JESUS DID NOT DIG VIOLENCE. (period) All this religious-right BS is too much for me, a progressive Roman Catholic with good conscience, to take seriously.



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MC

posted October 24, 2009 at 10:09 pm


Start seeing the similarity of homosexuality being trumpeted in the Church as the same as guns being held aloft proudly as well.
No difference.



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Christmas and Chanukah share a spiritual message: that it is possible to bring light and hope in a world of darkness, oppression and despair. But whereas Christmas focuses on the birth of a single individual whose life and mission was itself supposed to bring liberation, Chanukah is about a national

posted 12:59:53pm Dec. 02, 2010 | read full post »

Obama (and Biden) Have No Clue About What's Bothering Their Political Base
Shortly before the California Democratic primary in 2008, the San Fransisco Chronicle invited me to write a short article explaining why I, chair of the interfaithNetwork of Spiritual Progressives, was supporting Barack Obama. Like most other progressive activists, I understood that a pres

posted 1:44:11pm Sep. 30, 2010 | read full post »




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