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Specter’s switch

posted by Aziz Poonawalla

This is what it took to forget about swine flu – Arlen Specter joining the Democrats. I have a complete transcript of his official statement over at City of Brass. All the speculation about the political consequences and shakeup is just ramping up, but my main interest is in how the fury from the Republican side will probably accelerate the party’s implosion from a grand old “big tent” under Reagan to a regional rump party dominated by social conservatives and religious intolerance, especially towards their one-size fits-all bogeymen of the muslim threat



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Sam

posted April 28, 2009 at 3:01 pm


You do know that Muslim extremists actually want to kill Americans, right?
Ignorance in this country never ceases to amaze me.



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Marian

posted April 28, 2009 at 3:02 pm


The Republican Party has never been a big tent. At best, it is a walk-in closet.



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Katie Angel

posted April 28, 2009 at 3:18 pm


Sam,
The key being extemist. The Christian Religious extremists just want to turn the USA from a country of religious freedom and a republic into a theocracy where their version of Christianity becomes the law. As long as the Republicans cowtow to the Religious Right, they will continue to irrelevant. I admire Senator Spectre for the strength of his convictions and wish I lived on PA so I could vote for him.



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Nat Ersoz

posted April 28, 2009 at 4:21 pm


You do know that Christian extremists actually want to kill Americans, right?
Witness: Timothy McVeigh and friends.
You know that Right Wing Christians are praying for the collapse of the American economy and infrastructure? That Evangelicals have a very low view of the human race (justified through the doctrine of Adam’s original sin). You did not know that?
Witness: the Y2K hysteria/hunker-down/end of the world scenario players like Rev. Charles North.
Read Rev. Charles North “The Sinai Stragtegy” – the plan to reconstitute a gold standard based economy when the Federal Reserve Banking system fails. This to empower the true believers – even better the Reformed true believers.
How are premillennial Christians’ beliefs and hopes for the destruction of the planet not anti-American? Calling and praying for the end of the world, is that any different than Iran’s call for the destruction of Israel? Explain how.
Take the red pill. Wake up.



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Panthera

posted April 28, 2009 at 4:31 pm


Sam,
This knee-jerk assumption that only Republicans are “real Americans” is part of the problem.
We love the America. We will fight to the death to defend her.
We just don’t see why, having fought the Confederacy and Nazi Germany, we should now turn the country into an amalgamation of what was bad about both of those rogue States, just so you conservative Christians can impose your will on the rest of us.
Today is a wonderful day. It means we can finally push for:
-decoupling America’s energy from those who hate us (see, Sam, that is the problem with your arguments – you folks are the ones who made us dependent on the Mid-East for energy by making every alternative impossible).
-Human status for gays and transgendered
-Reduction of abortions through early sex education, freely available contraceptives and plan B.
-Sensible approaches to getting out of the economic mess the Republicans got us into
-Health care for all Americans
And, most important of all – and end to a policy of torturing American citizens and foreigners in the name of God.
What really warms the cockles of my heart is that Steele last week really lashed into Snow. Threatened to punish her.
Glorious, glorious day.
At this rate, we will have the Supreme Court filled out with competent justices, DOMA repealed, the choke-hold of the religious-wing-nut-right broken.
Yee-Haw!
After eight horrible years, I think the Republicans and conservative Christians are going to get their comeuppance for what they have done to my country.
Not that I feel strongly about this…



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Your Name

posted April 30, 2009 at 11:54 am


“The Republican Party has never been a big tent. At best, it is a walk-in closet.”
Good line. And, for verification, we could just check with Larry Craig (who, apparenty, is still “not gay”).



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Sam

posted May 1, 2009 at 12:37 am


Katie,
Republicans don’t want to turn this country into a theocracy. That was a retarded thing to say.
Nat,
Pretty ignorant calling Timothy McVeigh a “Christian extremist” (I can also tell you’ve picked up some slanderous and bigoted verbiage from Secretary Nepalitano). Furthermore, I’m sure you have some other examples of “Christian extremism” (don’t tell me – KKK and abortion clinic bombers, right?) Because there’s a lot of that going around, isn’t there? Oh, that’s right, there are NO examples in the last 15 years of such activity. And Rev. Charles North? Christians hoping for the destruction of the planet? Really? As a conservative Christian (and one who is very educated on Scripture), I can assure you that picking out a couple of crazy people does not give credibility to sweeping accusations.
Panthera,
Republicans are the only true Americans, huh? If you were to take a poll of all elected and non-elected Republicans, I can confidently tell you that less than 1% would agree with that statement. So, since that statement has no credibility, I will move on…oh yes, you implied that Republicans would like to turn this country into a Confederacy-Nazi Germany hybrid. Since I have a strict policy on not arguing with statements that lack basic standards of logic, I’m going to move on again…
Dependent on foreign sources of energy – Republicans fault, huh? Present me with facts that you can lay this at the Republican’s feet.
Human status for gay and transgendered – Um, of course they are human, and they should be treated like any other human being. However (and I know this will be painful to hear), the definition of marriage is EVERYONE’S business – not just gay people’s. Am I really a bigot for saying that? I think not.
The Republicans got us into the economic mess huh? News flash – The “f”‘s in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac stand for “federal.” These are government entities. Central banking (a socialist methodology), the greedy “sellers” on Wall Street, the greedy “buyers” on Main Street, and the greedy politicians for power in D.C. are all to blame. It is the height of ignorance to say “It’s the Republican’s fault.” That means you either don’t know what you are talking about or are simply a political bigot. So which is it?
So the “conservatives” on the Supreme Court aren’t competent justices? Exactly what makes a “competent” justice? Is it a justice that believes the Constitution to be “living”? Perhaps a social activist instead of a unbiased interpreter of the Constitution? I know – a judge who corrects the mistakes of those pesky (and ELECTED) legislatures down the street. The “strict constructionist” view of the Constitution (the “conservative” view) is clearly the logical and correct understanding of the role of a Supreme Court Justice. We conservative have the moral high-ground in this debate and have a majority opinion with us on this one.



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James Gilmore

posted May 1, 2009 at 2:41 pm


However (and I know this will be painful to hear), the definition of marriage is EVERYONE’S business – not just gay people’s. Am I really a bigot for saying that? I think not.
Yes, you are really a bigot for saying that. Other people’s relationships really are absolutely none of your business, and the suggestion that somehow your – or society’s – approval should be required for a couple’s relationship to be legally valid is as abhorrent as it is bigoted. The “definition of marriage” is also absolutely none of your business; concern yourself with your own marriage only, and leave other consenting adults to form relationships as they see fit. That’s the true American definition of liberty, and anyone who says otherwise quite simply doesn’t understand the concept.
Quite frankly, I would rather things like gay marriage never come up for a vote, so that we don’t even acknowledge the fiction that the rights of any person in our country are subject to the will of the majority. I would prefer that the courts impose marriage equality on the whole country no matter what the will of the people is, just like they imposed interracial marriage on the whole country in 1967 against the will of the majority. Human rights are absolute; they should never be up for a vote.



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James Gilmore

posted May 1, 2009 at 2:45 pm


Because there’s a lot of that going around, isn’t there? Oh, that’s right, there are NO examples in the last 15 years of such activity.
Christian terrorist Eric Rudolph bombed the Atlanta Olympics in 1996, and bombed abortion clinics in 1996-98. Is it 2014 already? Wow… I must have slept a long time. I owe my landlord five years of back rent. Surprised I wasn’t evicted. I’d better write a check.



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churchmouse

posted May 1, 2009 at 4:22 pm


What is a real American?
One that would give certain citizens more rights than others? One that believes that killing a child in the womb is ok? One that thinks the government knows more about our children than we do? One that thinks that that the government should run our entire lives, choosing everything for us? One that believes we are the fault for ALL the worlds problems? One that would bad mouth America while on foreign soil? One that thinks that others should defend our country but that they can run and hide under their beds? One that thinks guns should be outlawed? One that think the Hollywood blowhards really know what’s the best for the country? One who loves Fidel Castro and thinks the worlds dictators are cool? One who does not stand on free speech? One that denies our Christian Heritage because they hate Christians and Christianity? One who thinks that the money you and I make is the governments money? One that thinks working four months a year to pay that tax bill isn’t enough? One that thinks singing the Star-Spangled Banner and God Bless America are anti-American? One that thinks that God should be eliminated from society?
These are the views of the Democratic party and its leader Obama.
Oh there is poison running through the veins of this country alright……and it’s the Democratic Party and Barack Hussein Obama. They think truth is relative, there is no right and wrong. Truth is subjective, if it feels good even if it hurts someone else its ok. Oh except for prisoners of war, they should receive royal treatment. I am sure that should Bin Laden be captured, Obama would pardon and bow to him too.
For you Panthera to compare Christians to Nazis is unbelievable. It has been Christianity that has afforded people to worship whoever and whatever they want. And you don’t just want health care for Americans. You want the borders torn down and you want the American taxpayer to foot the bill for all non-citizens of the world who need health care, because we owe the world. You want SCOTUS to be comprised of immoral judges with biases that coincide with your ideals.
The Democratic Party in this country is the axis of evil. Today there is no civil debate about issues. Democrats are all about demonizing conservatives, Republicans and especially Christians and they do it through distortion and disinformation. Obama said he would cross party lines to try to get both sides to work together. Has he done that? No Will he do that? Not on your life. And who would ever want to work with him on anything. He did not get elected because of anything that he did. He had no experience. Other factors got him elected. People did not care what his viewpoint on the issues were they simply voted the race card. We were ready for a black to be president but not one who simply has no morals. This sums Obama supporters up perfectly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIOePg4K0vI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uyJSXCZRpc&feature=related
America used to be the land of dreams, its now the land of nightmares. Arlen Specter is just the newest member.



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James Gilmore

posted May 1, 2009 at 4:51 pm


These are the views of the Democratic party and its leader Obama.
Let’s see some links for these opinions you ascribe to the Democratic Party. Please keep in mind that since you ascribed these positions to the entire Democratic Party as well as to President Obama (please show him some respect), you’re going to need to present official documents explicating that these are the official positions of the party and president.
I’m not even going to address the rest of your comment, which is composed of the same ridiculous speculations and cheap strawmen without even the slightest shred of evidence for your claims. Please come back when you’ve done some actual research into what the Democratic Party and President Obama think, rather than taking the words of the right-wing hate jockeys as gospel. We’re intelligent enough to see past their stupidity around here.



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McFlyver

posted May 1, 2009 at 5:07 pm


Sam said, “Katie, Republicans don’t want to turn this country into a theocracy. That was a retarded thing to say.”
Only partially correct – Theocrats want to turn this country into a theocracy. Their latest attempt to do so was by taking over the Republican party from the inside. “Real” Republicans in general tend to indicate outrage at what the theocrats have done to their party.



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James Gilmore

posted May 1, 2009 at 10:54 pm


Republicans don’t want to turn this country into a theocracy. That was a retarded thing to say.
Pat Robertson, former Republican candidate for President, in The New World Order (1991) p. 227: “There will never be world peace until God’s house and God’s people are given their rightful place of leadership at the top of the world.”
Oh, and please don’t use “retarded” as an insult. It’s an incredibly insensitive and offensive thing to demean the mentally disabled. Do you really think Jesus Christ would bag on the mentally disabled to make a political point?



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Sam

posted May 3, 2009 at 3:49 pm


James,
“Retarded” was not used as an “insult.” It was used to accurately and appropriately describe Katie’s comment as a mentally deficient statement. And quoting Pat Robertson gives no credibility to a blanket statement meant to impugn all Republicans.
Try again.



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