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Obama supporters: Russell Shaw wants an apology

posted by David Gibson

Russell Shaw.jpgOur Sunday Visitor’s Russell Shaw, a longtime conservative Catholic journalist and observer–and often trenchant critic–of the American scene says Obama supporters should apologize for saying Catholics could support Obama because the president has, and will, do nothing but expand abortion, Shaw writes:

“Dialogue? So far as is known, Mr. Obama has had one half-hour meeting with anybody qualified to speak for the Catholic Church–the president of the bishops’ conference, Cardinal George of Chicago. Even admirers concede the administration is tone-deaf on Catholic concerns.

So are Catholics who said Obama and the Church would have a lot in common saying they’re sorry? No way. Apology aversion won’t allow that.”

Response: One, dialogue is a two-way street, and declaring someone the worst thing since, well, fill in the blank, is hardly going to smooth that past.

Also, it’s been just over 100 days since Obama took office in the midst of perhaps the greatest crisis in American history, when you look at the dmoestic and international messes Bush left. Bush–not to mention his GOP predecessors–had two terms to do, well, not much, on abortion.

And look at the other folks Shaw thinks should be apologizing:

“Consider all those journalists and think tank talking heads who helped sell America on the need for the war in Iraq and then, without so much as a word of apology, turned on George Bush for getting it wrong. Think of all those members of Congress — of both parties — who were looking the other way while the economic bubble expanded and now are busy demagoguing the bubble’s collapse at somebody else’s expense. And on and on and on.”

Huh? Russell Shaw is a pretty straight-shooter, so I’d hope he has first demanded an apology from President Bush and his team for those things, at the very least.



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posted May 4, 2009 at 8:59 pm


We owe China 800 billion and they force abortions. What would be Russell Shaw’s action plan be for the US..Obama, Wall Steet. American consumer? Dems? Repubs?



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DML

posted May 4, 2009 at 10:02 pm


Mr. Shaw,
First, apologize for the colonial exploitation that the Church actively encouraged. They had no respect for life or anything else for hundreds of years. They are not qualified to speak about respect for others or demand apologies from anyone.



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posted May 5, 2009 at 1:00 am


I love my church and I love my country.
Mr. Shaw, I’ll apologize for supporting Barack Obama when George W. Bush and ALL of his cronies apologize for:
~ Lying with impunity to the American People, the World, to its own party and to itself. Even when exposed they assumed the “That’s our story and we’re stickin to it” position. They seemed to lie to all even when the truth would have little impact on anything.
~Falsifying documentation used to attempt to justify the war in Iraq. Even when the manipulation of information was exposed, they stood by their bogus information, punishing those who proved the truth (e.g. Wilson-Plame) and I won’t even bring up George the lesser pardoning Scooter.
~ The deaths of 4,284 in Iraq and 681 in Afghanistan due to a phony war that really had/has nothing to do with our national security.
~Trampling the Constitution and the Bill of rights willfully.
~Making a mockery of the Geneva convention in it’s handling of the 911 “war criminals”. In doing so it has endangered generations of military and other people who are in harms way.
~Justifying torture — another intrinsic evil.
My only issue with Barack Obama was his view on abortion. Frankly the Republicans who were in power for quite sometime did VERY little in regard to abortion.
I’m probably very cynical but I don’t think the Republicans will do anything about abortion because it’s their bread and butter. In my heart I believe that social action will do more to end abortion. We need to work on comprehensive sex education so that our kids aren’t ignorant. And now I’ve degenerated into a rant so I’ll stop.
Mhari



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Iris Alantiel

posted May 5, 2009 at 8:32 am


Mhari’s right on with that – I believe that social action will do more to end abortion because it will make choosing life something actually practical for real-world women who might otherwise abort their babies. But how on earth will the right ever find anything that mobilizes their base quite so effectively as the pro-life cause? She’s got it exactly.
I am a Catholic and a supporter of Obama, and I see no contradiction in that position. Every woman, during her childbearing years, spontaneously aborts many fertilized eggs that are unable to survive, and she does not mourn them or even know about them. They are not morally equivalent to a third-trimester fetus or a newborn baby. And I will not check my God-given intelligence that sees the distinction at the door to appease an institution that forced science to proclaim that the sun moved around the Earth because it deemed heliocentrism unbiblical.



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rick

posted May 5, 2009 at 8:59 am


So much like my Grand Children, well if he hadn’t done that I wouldn’t haver done it back or as hard or as long or what ever. The highest court in the land decided that it was permisible to slaughter unborn children, what that has to do with the Catholic Church, Iraq,the price of oil or any thing else is beyond me.
Until a few years ago I was influenced by people telling me that I couldn’t just look at abortion when choosing a candidate. Thats total crap, any one who justifies and rationalizes murder is no better than the person with the ax. I believe that it’s Gods right to give and take life, not a courts, or any organization that believes it knows Gods will better than the authors of the Bible. They certainly were not intimidated by any government or dictators when they wrote down God’s will. Any one can pick a fight, turn the people and win, but that doesn’t make them right. I will never accept the murder of the unborn or any candidate that supports it. How simple.I’m just a protect the unborn conspirtator I guess.



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Cindy

posted May 5, 2009 at 9:26 am


This is just an FYI post:
President Obama created and supported HR 1388, Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act which was a bill entitled “The Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act, an Act” to reauthorize and reform the national volunteer service laws in this country.
It is an extensive consolidation and rewrite of Americorps and VISTA and other collaborations to provide volunteer services to places most in need in our country.
There is a provision that states what types of services are prohibited from receiving funds and I thought you might all be interested to know that Abortion services of any kind are PROHIBITED from this act. In other words, no federal money and no federally supported volunteers may participate in any Abortion services (counseling, recommendations, abortion services, etc) through this act.
I know it is not the same thing as overturning Roe, but it IS the right thing to do. It IS saying that our country and its national service volunteers will NOT participate in Abortion Services as part of this Act.
While I realize it is a small step, I think it is also significant and I really wish more people realized this.
Hearts do change.
This is one of the reasons why I so dislike the “he’s the most pro-abortion President ever” kinds of phrases. This provision could have been left out. Or, it could have specifically included this as service.
Instead it is SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITED.
It is important for us all to realize this. I think.



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Phillip

posted May 5, 2009 at 10:37 am


Yes, well I believe anyone who thinks they are Catholic or even any type of christian could not support Obama. Only people with a false concetious could support abortion and claim to be Catholic. The Church in my opinion should do everything in it’s power to remove him and the Liberal Democrats from power.They are an obamanation!



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Re:Phillip

posted May 5, 2009 at 11:01 am


Well the good news is that not everyone is a “one-issue” voter such as yourself. You have the right to be one, but you have no right to judge anyone for their decision. This was about putting our country back on the right track. Republicans held power for a LONG time and during their reign the abortion rate only INCREASED! Get out of that fantasy land you are in. Abortion is NEVER going to be outlawed in the United States because you KNOW that the day that is attempted, those responsible will never hold any type of power again. It is because of people like you that membership in the Catholic church is declining in the US and it will continue to decline. By no means do I support abortion, but I know that abortion isn’t going anywhere, so why am I going to short-change my country by voting someone solely on social views. Your kind is dying out though and so is the Republican party, and you will NOT be missed!!! As far as Mr.Shaw is concerned, he can join you in your fantasy land.



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