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Vatican cardinal: Obama is ‘Aggressive, Disruptive and Apocalyptic’

posted by David Gibson

Father Newman (see below) may have at least one big gun on his side, rhetorically if not canonically or theologically. According to the student newspaper of Catholic University of America, Cardinal Francis Stafford, a longtime American in the Roman Curia, on Thursday night painted an apocalytpic picture of the America he sees in the wake of Obama’s victory:

His Eminence James Francis Cardinal Stafford criticized President-elect Barack Obama as “aggressive, disruptive and apocalyptic,” and said he campaigned on an “extremist anti-life platform,” Thursday night in Keane Auditorium during his lecture “Pope Paul VI and Pope John Paul II: Being True in Body and Soul.”
“Because man is a sacred element of secular life,” Stafford remarked, “man should not be held to a supreme power of state, and a person’s life cannot ultimately be controlled by government.”
“For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden,” Stafford said, comparing America’s future with Obama as president to Jesus’ agony in the garden. “On November 4, 2008, America suffered a cultural earthquake.”
Cardinal Stafford said Catholics must deal with the “hot, angry tears of betrayal” by beginning a new sentiment where one is “with Jesus, sick because of love.”
The lecture, hosted by the Pontifical John Paul II Institute for Studies on Marriage and Family, pertained to Humanae Vitae, a papal encyclical written by Pope Paul VI in 1968 and celebrating its 40 anniversary this year.
Stafford also spoke about the decline of a respect for human life and the need for Catholics to return to the original values of marriage and human dignity.
“If 1968 was the year of America’s ‘suicide attempt,’ 2008 is the year of America’s exhaustion,” said Stafford, an American Cardinal and Major Penitentiary of the Apostolic Penitentiary for the Tribunal of the Holy See. “In the intervening 40 years since Humanae Vitae, the United States has been thrown upon ruins.”
This destruction and America’s decline is largely in part due to the Supreme Court’s decisions in the life-issue cases of 1973, specifically Roe v. Wade. Stafford asserted these cases undermined respect for human life in the United States.
“Its scrupulous meanness has had catastrophic effects upon the unity and integrity of the American republic,” said Stafford.

Wow. I bet that wasn’t the tenor of Obama’s chat with the Pope the other day. Then again, lieutenants are there to do the dirty work so the white cassock stays clean.



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alan

posted November 15, 2008 at 2:19 pm


This critique may be true. Yet, the last administration was all-knowing and made many mistakes, also degrading of human life. Anymore, we have to be alert to what is going on in government. I am not for abortion, but I do like intelligent leaders. The last admiistration plus a mostly conservative supreme court did nothing to reduce abortion in eight years. There is a little more relativity on the political scene than the cardinal knows. It is still good to listen to the cardinal, yet how does he propose to put these views into practice?



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Charles Cosimano

posted November 15, 2008 at 3:03 pm


They get any more hysterical and they’ll soil their robes!



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Ryan

posted November 15, 2008 at 3:54 pm

Anne

posted November 15, 2008 at 3:58 pm


This comes under the heading of “speaking the truth at whatever the cost”. If only all our clergy had been doing this for years. I applaud his courage in voicing these prophetic words. May it not be too late to defeat the culture of death.



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Laurie Lucas

posted November 15, 2008 at 4:43 pm


Applaud!! We (Catholic Americans) need to wake up! We need to stop making excuses for all the wrong things we do. We need these priests to start telling us like it is. You know in the end it is heaven or hell. That is it! No more excuses.



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Joel

posted November 15, 2008 at 4:56 pm


“2008 is the year of America’s exhaustion,” said Cardinal Stafford. America’s bishops exemplified this exhaustion at the bishops conference by not even discussing the scandal of pro-death politicians like Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi receiving Holy Communion.



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Your Name

posted November 15, 2008 at 5:06 pm


Who would have thought there was so many “Extremists” walking among us? Posters up around the White Supremist places against our new President in Jan., kkk people going off with the race thing, and now an RC Priest who works in Rome putting Barack Obama down, down, down, and how our country works, as well, by saying because man is a secular element of secular life, man should not be held to a supreme-power of state, and a persons life cannot ultimately be controlled by government. The people who started our country came to America so they wouldn’t be controlled by Religious hierarchy, and Kings and Queens government. Our government is of the people, by the people and for the people. The good Priest has been away from America so long he must have forgotten this.



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Annie

posted November 15, 2008 at 5:17 pm


This is the year American has died. The final nail in the coffin of our beloved country has been hammered in. We have voted for Barabbas instead of the babies. There is nothing more to be said, except to repent of our failure to awaken the population to the horrible insult 50 million dead babies is to our Creator. Perhaps God will give us another chance, as he always did to the Israelites when they continued to betray them. But eventually, like the loving parent he is, he will have to discipline His family, His people. And it will not be pretty. California is burning up as I write. With Winter coming, we’d best be prepared by storing food, water, wood to burn, and keep our ammunition dry! And pray, pray, fast, fast, be kind, be forgiving



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Justin

posted November 15, 2008 at 5:20 pm


Charles Cosimano
November 15, 2008 3:03 PM
“They get any more hysterical and they’ll soil their robes!”
What do you have against the Catholic Church, sir, that would cause you to make such a singularly cynical, hostile and unhelpful comment like that!
It is this attitude that led to the kind of religious and moral complacency among Catholics that this country has witnessed for the past 35 years. That and the silence of the clergy – until now. I applaud Cardinal Stafford and other bishops who have raised their prophetic voices against the anti-Gospel, anti-Christian policies of President-Elect Obama and most politicians in the Democratic Party. That remark is not an apology for the Republicans. They did not serve us well, but at least President Bush managed to outlaw partial birth abortions. Obama has promised Planned Parenthood that one of the first pieces of legislation he will sign is the Freedom of Choice Act, which will bring this great evil back. No, His Eminence got it right and we Americans got the leader that we wanted and deserve. Now those of us who have faith better pray that we do not also get the divine punishment we deserve by these actions.



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NightLad

posted November 15, 2008 at 5:47 pm


While running on an anti-abortion platform, born-again Bush did diddly squat while in power for 8 years to stop it.
Even when the Republicans controlled the Congress, Senate and the Presidency with a majority, they didn’t lift a finger.
So blah, blah, blah about the “babies.” Nothing new would have happened under Conservative Moderate McCain, and nothing new will happen under Obama – who at least had the guts to tell you as much from Day 1.



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chris

posted November 15, 2008 at 6:21 pm


The astonishing election of Barack Obama to the presidency was a great moment and also a tragic one.
It was a great moment for human equality: during endless decades, blacks have felt like strangers in their own land — not truly bona fide citizens. One can only imagine how it feels not to be fully at home in the nation of one’s birth. When Afro-Americans look to Washington, they will now see one of their own, as Catholics did in 1960 with Kennedy. To view their joy election night was unforgettable.
That was the great aspect of it. Racism — prejudice — is evil. Everyone should cheer at the advancements of African-Americans, and celebrate their equality. That was truly joyous. Who could not savor that aspect?
The tragedy is that the first Afro-American president — this man of undeniable intelligence, likeability, and skill, who caused a historic moment — is so radically “pro-choice” and in fact is now ready to take us to a new level of danger.
The danger is not only his tremendously strong support for abortion (which includes partial-birth), but also human-embryonic stem cell research, which causes the destruction of human life at its earliest stage — just after conception (just like abortion) — and occurs when cells are cultured and manipulated for medical use, leaving the nascent human, conceived outside the womb, in a lab dish, at a fertility clinic, to die at the age of four or five days.
In most cases this is done by the simple in vitro fertilization of an egg with sperm, but such embryos can also be multiplied through cloning.
Sources indicate that President-elect Obama will move to initiate and expand such research immediately upon entering the Oval Office, through an executive order.
Make no mistake. This is a spiritual crisis. For those who believe that life begins at conception (and despite a woeful lack of attention to the issue by pro-lifers during the election), human embryonic destruction is comparable to any other form of abortion.
And as with abortion, it will lead to future tragedy.
The research will almost certainly be approved and funded by the Democratically-controlled Congress, where House leader Nancy Pelosi has long expressed urgent support for it, as has Senator John McCain, and as has Senator Hillary Clinton — whose pro-choice position is as radical as Obama’s (though she has escaped the vitriol directed at him).
It is a truly “stealth” danger. Once approved, the number of human embryos could skyrocket. At least 400,000 have been frozen already in the U.S., although just a small percentage — 11,000 — have thus far been designated for research (according to one recent assessment). The question is whether unfettered research will cause a multiplication to the point of approaching or exceeding the 1.2 million unborn terminated each year in the U.S. through regular abortions.
The embryos are usually “extra” ones created when a couple has sought help from a fertility clinic, but they can also be cloned — greatly increasing the number.
Stem cells form various organs, chemicals, and tissues that can then be manipulated to develop in a way that yields substances which may help alleviate or even cure a number of serious ailments or even grow new organs. Diseases that might be treated by transplanting cells generated from human embryonic stem cells include Parkinson’s, diabetes, traumatic spinal cord injury, Purkinje cell degeneration, Duchenne’s muscular dystrophy, heart disease, and vision and hearing loss.
The problem: embryos die in the process of that freezing, thawing, and of course drawing forth of stem cells.
Scientists refer to it as a “hollow microscopic ball of cells” called the blastocyst; it should be called a child, known by God.
To make matters more unpalatable, the inner surface of the culture dish is typically coated with mouse embryonic skin cells that have been treated so they will not divide. This coating layer of cells is called a feeder layer. The reason for having the mouse cells in the bottom of the culture dish is to give the inner cell mass cells a sticky surface to which they can attach. Thus, human and rodent cells are grown side by side, interacting.
Embryos may become corporate property. “We will have an entire class of human beings that are corporate property, governed only by corporate contract law,” notes viewer Margaret Schaut, who follows such matters from Michigan. “The uses? A farm for replacement organs. Testing ‘material’ for chemicals, cosmetics, drugs. Testing for effects of the new high-tech weapons on ‘human tissue.’ Chimeric (part human, part animal) research and development. Cyborgs — research and development of electronics integrated with the human body.”
In and of itself, human cloning is a ghastly sin — never mind its coupling with embryonic destruction.
With it we reach the point where we create humans so we can destroy them and harvest their remains. It is subtle and microscopic and out of view: but did they do anything worse in Nazi Germany?
Have politicians meditated on this? Has Obama (and not just him)? How can men who seem to be of good will — and high intelligence — support such things?
Whether or not it ever approaches the number for abortion, the technology of cloning and stem cells brings to mind what we have called the 1990 prophecy — in startling fashion. In fact, a mystery of that prophecy might now be solved.
That alleged message — granted to an anonymous recipient on December 3, 1990 — warned of “a new evil the likes of which mankind has never before encountered.
“It will arrive almost imperceptibly,” said the missive, “with few people noticing the depth of its evil, for it will appear to have beneficial and convenient aspects. It is an evil comparable to abortion — that is to say, that even if evils as great and widespread as abortion were to be eliminated, this is enough of an evil that it would present mankind with an enormous challenge.”
Is that new evil embryonic manipulation? “Comparable” to abortion — and yet not abortion per se — could be seen as indicating something such as embryonic research (as well as other forms of genetic manipulation, with “beneficial” relating to medical promises). Breakthroughs and funding for cloning technology took place precisely four years after the prediction — in 1994.
“This evil is being allowed as a test because of the prayers inspired by Mary to put off chastisements,” claimed the prophecy. “How mankind responds to this new evil will determine the extent, length, and severity of the first chastisements. These chastisements will differ according to regions, and like the great evil, will not always or usually be immediately noticeable for what they are.”
A follow-up prophecy to the same person 14 years later included the words: “The smallest of what lives is precious in My sight.”
Are we thus poised to enter a more intense period of events?
Where is the outrage?
How many realize the result if President-elect Obama blindly signs such an executive order? The prayer here, as the Pope suggested, is for the new president’s enlightenment. Something is coming. It will be here soon. By 2010 there will be intensification.
Few recall a major article in The New York Times a few years ago on a decision by President George Bush to ban government funding of embryonic destruction but to allow limited private research into this realm — opening the door for such research (and tempting scientists to barge through, which they now threaten to do if the president and Congress do what it appears they probably will).
“Scientists Urge Bigger Supply Of Stem Cells,” said this particular article, at the top of the Times’ front page. “Report Backs Cloning to Create New Lines.”
That was the headline. And the date?
September 11, 2001.
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Bill2222

posted November 15, 2008 at 6:54 pm


I say good Cardinal Stafford A true hero for the unborn children!
Liberate these babbies: Already 50 million and counting thanks to your Pro choice addiction!
For all you pro- choicers why do you insist on killing. Especially, God’s defenseless babbies for no one is poorer are more discrimated against or more homeless then the aboroted babbies. Nameless,helpless,defenseless pennyless,naked abandon by their own parents forced out of their homes, forsaken by society,striped of all legal rights,lable as subhuman,denied anesthesia, torcher, murder ,denied sacramental babtism,discharder with the trash, denied desent buriel, then totally forgotten.?
You pro- choicers like Pontius Pilate, sneeringly asked the question to Jesus “what is truth” you refuse to accept the truth that these are truely human beings even if they are still in their mother ‘s body! On the final judgement day you will go before God with the blood of the innocence fresh on your hands . Such fools that live their lives as if ther is no hell.
I suggest that you go to http://www.priestsforlife.org and view your “choice”. Select “America will not reject abortion until America sees abortion”, If you have the courage. Also I suggest you take a biology course. Life begins at conception



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Nancy

posted November 15, 2008 at 6:54 pm


Unfortunately, Cardinal Stafford is correct. How could ANYONE who considers themselves a Catholic have voted for this man? The moral decay of this country is just soooooooooooooo ASTOUNDING that I can only pray that God has not turned His back on those that truly love him.



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posted November 15, 2008 at 7:26 pm


Saturday, November 15, 2008
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Ex-Hitler youth issues dire warning to America
‘Every day brings this nation closer to Nazi-style totalitarian abyss’
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Posted: November 13, 2008
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WorldNetDaily
WASHINGTON – Because it has abandoned moral absolutes and its historic Christian faith, the U.S. is moving closer to a Nazi-style totalitarianism, warns a former German member of the Hitler Youth in a new book.
“Every day brings this nation closer to a Nazi-style totalitarian abyss,” writes Hilmar von Campe, now a U.S. citizen, and author of “Defeating the Totalitarian Lie: A Former Hitler Youth Warns America.”
Von Campe has founded the national Institute for Truth and Freedom to fight for a return to constitutional government in the U.S. – a key, he believes, to keeping America free.
“I lived the Nazi nightmare, and, as the old saying goes, ‘A man with an experience is never at the mercy of a man with an argument,'” writes von Campe. “Everything I write is based on my personal experience in Nazi Germany. There is nothing theoretical about my description of what happens when a nation throws God out of government and society, and Christians become religious bystanders. I don’t want to see a repetition. The role of God in human society is the decisive issue for this generation. My writing is part of my life of restitution for the crimes of a godless government, of the evil of which I was a part.”
(Story continues below)
Von Campe grew up under the Nazis, served in the Hitler Youth and fought against the Red Army in the Yugoslavian theater as a tank gunner in the German army. He was captured at the end of the war and escaped five months later from a prisoner of war camp in Communist Yugoslavia.
“It took me a long time to understand and define the nature of National Socialism,” says von Campe. “And, unfortunately, their philosophy continues to flourish under different labels remaining a menace to America and free human society.”
He writes: “The most painful part of defining National Socialism was to recognize my own moral responsibility for the Nazi disaster and their crimes against humanity. It boiled down to accepting the truth that ‘as I am, so is my nation,’ and realizing that if every German was like me, it was no wonder that the nation became a cesspool of gangsters. This realization is as valid today for any person in any nation as it was then, and it is true for America and every American now.”
Von Campe’s message is that political freedom and democratic rules alone are not sufficient to govern humanity justly.
“Democratic procedures can be subverted and dishonest politicians are like sand in the gearbox, abundant, everywhere and destructive,” he writes. “What I see in America today is people painting their cabins while the ship goes down. Today in America we are witnessing a repeat performance of the tragedy of 1933 when an entire nation let itself be led like a lamb to the Socialist slaughterhouse. This time, the end of freedom is inevitable unless America rises to her mission and destiny.”
Von Campe says he sees spiritual parallels among Americans and his childhood Germany.
“The silence from our pulpits regarding the moral collapse of American society from within is not very different from the silence that echoed from the pulpits in Germany toward Nazi policies,” he explains. “Our family lived through the Nazi years in Germany, an experience typical of millions of Europeans regardless of what side they were on. We paid a high price for the moral perversions of a German government, which excluded God and His Commandments from their policies. America must not continue following the same path to destruction, but instead heed the lessons of history and the warning I am giving.”
Specifically, von Campe warns Americans their political leaders are on the wrong footing, “denying our cultural and traditional roots based on our unique Constitution and Christian orientation as a nation. Christians don’t understand their mission.”



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JohnTBissell

posted November 15, 2008 at 9:03 pm


Before Pope Benedict came to America to celebrate Mass in New York and Washington, it was revealed that as a young boy in Germany he had had a cousin with Down Syndrome. One day a Nazi doctor came and claimed his cousin for the Third Reich. Taken to be “cared for” at the “hospital” young Joseph Ratzinger never saw his cousin again: one of the host of “useless eaters” marked for extermination by that brutal regime.
My wife and I operate St. Joseph’s House, a daycare and respite care home for handicapped children. As it happened one of the children we care for, a wheelchair bound young lady, was chosen along with three other handicapped folks to carry the gifts up to the altar before the consecration at the Mass at Nationals Stadium in Washington D.C. on April 17, 2008. One of these was James, a 30ish man who works in the Officer’s Club at Andrews AFB. James has Down Syndrome. He was chosen to carry the large host which would become the Body of Christ lifted up before the assembled. As James with great ceremony advanced toward the Pope, his native enthusi­asm overcame his reserve and he started to run. Simultaneously the Holy Father leapt from his chair and walked towards James with his arms out­stretched. We have a picture of this moment which I cannot look at without tearing up. What did he see as he gazed so lovingly at James? I believe he saw his cousin. I believe he saw the face of Jesus. And I believe that his great prayer as he elevated that host on that impossibly beautiful day was “As long as you did to these the least of my brethren, you did it to Me.”
The next day April 18th, a boy was born to of all people, the Gover­nor of Alaska. They named him Trig.



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Bill2222

posted November 15, 2008 at 9:10 pm


JohnTBissell That was beatuiful!



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Kevin Clarke

posted November 15, 2008 at 9:23 pm


Dear David,
The link did not work. I have attached the correct one to the CUA newspaper. (http://www.cuatower.com/2008/11/14/cardinal-at-cua-obama-is-%e2%80%98aggressive-disruptive-and-apocalyptic%e2%80%99/)
Blessings,
Kevin Clarke



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pagansister

posted November 15, 2008 at 9:35 pm


WOW! Hasn’t the RCC got anything better to do than put down the President Elect of the USA? All this hysteria over the fact he said women have the right to chose whether to continue with a pregnancy or not. They actually think things have been super with “W” for the last 8 very, very long years? The “born again” leader has done such a great job!! NO! President -Elect Obama will not be sitting in the Oval Office all day granting permission for abortions….GEEZE! The RCC makes if seem like that is the only thing the president does…so let’s make horrible predictions about Obama. The RCC really need to get a life! (and make sure the children that are born don’t get molested by the priests!!). ____BTW no one is forcing any woman to get an abortion…thus it is called CHOICE!! The right to that should never be taken away.



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Rose

posted November 15, 2008 at 9:51 pm


Once there was a president from Illinois in the White House faced with a crisis. The Union/Nation was in danger of being split asunder. As president he chose as his first priority the preservation of the Union. Although he personally abhorred slavery and saw it as evil, and completely contradictory of the foundation upon which the Union had been laid, he was willing to let it stand if the preservation of the Union was accomplished. However, as time went on he came to understand and see that the Union could not be preserved because the foundation on which that very Union was built and existed was being undermined. He saw that as a people/Nation/Union we had declared — “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.—That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed…………… And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our fortunes and our sacred Honor.” This president saw that as a “Union” we were still calling down the blessings and protection of Divine Providence while at the same time denying the unalienable Rights of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness to others in that same Union. We, as a people, broke from what we had declared by allowing the evil of slavery to exist in our midst. Eventually, slavery was abolished and the Union was preserved. That same Union exists today and has been the most blessed of Unions in all the history of man because we remained true to what we had declared, not necessarily as individuals but as a “people/nation union.”
Today there is a president from Illinois in the White House faced with a crisis. The Union/Nation is in danger of financial collapse. Or is it ?? Is it financial collapse, or wars??? Or is it another evil that we have alllowed to exist in our midst? Slavery denied “all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness” due to the color of one’s skin. Today, we as a people/Nation/Union deny the same to some due to location and size. We call it a choice and claim the Constitution protects that right. The same Constitutional protection was afforded those who advocated slavery and a Civil War was the result, not to mention that the “Constitutional protection” was exposed to be the lie that it was. Will financial collapse be our result before we recognize the lie?
Let us hope and pray that this new president from Illinois will have the courage, wisdom and insight of that other president from Illinois. Let us pray and hope that this new president will seek to uphold what we have declared as a people, as a Nation, as a Union. Wouldn’t it be a wonder to see another monument of a president from Illinois in Washington dedicated to the freedom won for the unborn and the preservation of the Union?!! And, wouldn’t it be a wonder to see it next to the other president from Illinois who abolished slavery and preserved the Union that we enjoy this present day??!!



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reality_check

posted November 15, 2008 at 10:18 pm


It’s almost to the point of laughter when I see hypocritical men of God condemning the souls of others. I also find it quite amusing when they try so hard to take back the one thing that God gave to every man, woman, and child, which is the freedom of choice. I am a Christian and it deeply saddens me how intolerant and judgmental we have become. It embarrasses me deeply.



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Jacqueline

posted November 15, 2008 at 10:24 pm


With all due respect, Mr. Gibson, you really have no idea what our beloved Holy Father Benedict XVI said to President-Elect Obama. This is a very brave, direct and forthright Pope. I have every confidence that he will say to Mr. Obama what needs to be said, when it needs to be said and how it needs to be said.
Let me also say that, the last two sentences in your article are the only statements you made that I disagree with.



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Your Name

posted November 15, 2008 at 10:25 pm


I still have a lot of anxiety about Obama. It started with the debates, and really never let up. It’s not because he may usher in the Apocalypse. It’s because Obama is such an advocate for Planned Parenthood and the “right” for a woman to kill her own child before and even after it is born that I feel such uneasiness and dread. Obama looks good, he says some good, hopeful things, but his love of abortion is the warning in my heart that he is not kosher. I can’t be happy and at peace about a President who feels passionately about protecting the “right” to violently end the lives of God’s little ones, even after the abortion has failed. I pray daily for our President to have a change of heart. As for Bobby Fontaine’s sermon against the Catholic Church: it’s weird. He must be a Tony Alamo disciple.



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Spiritualhumanist

posted November 15, 2008 at 10:29 pm


Time to get serious about churches that try to be political. This country is founded on separation of church and state. When the preachers start going political they need to lose their tax exemptions…..
Obama wasn’t my choice but I don’t want to see his administration ripped apart before he gets started.



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Spiritual Humanist

posted November 15, 2008 at 10:32 pm


It is time to get serious about taking tax exemptions away from churches that try to interfer with political and government actions.
Obama was not my choice but he is the new president. Lets not let them wreck his administration before it gets started.



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Illinois resident

posted November 15, 2008 at 10:37 pm


Rose…..check your history….if you are referring to Lincoln…..he was not “from” Illinois….he was born in Kentucky…..but I guess it’s still applicable because Obama was born….that’s still debatable.
Having had the ‘benefit’ of Obama and his “handiwork”……his community organizing was in the south side of Chicago….been there lately? They “reduced crime and drugs” by bulldozing down the public housing and putting up million dollar condos…..
Only God can save us now….



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F.C.

posted November 15, 2008 at 10:42 pm


To pagansister:
A woman’s right to “choose” and have control of her body happens before she has intercourse. Once she has intercourse, she may not kill another person, namely the child in her womb, any more than she would be permitted to kill her child after it has been born. If a woman is forced to have intercourse and loses her choice and control, that still does not give her the right to kill her child to vindicate herself.
The Church has a duty to educate and inform the faithful as to how current events are to be understood in light of Church teaching. The Church also has a duty to evangelize the unchurched, such as yourself, so they may come to know the truth and God. Abortion is murder, and the fact that the president-elect has voiced extreme pro-abortion sentiments necessitates the Church’s strong response.
God in the old testament has said: “This day I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live and that you may love the Lord your God, listen to his voice, and hold fast to him. For the Lord is your life…” Deuteronomy 30:19.



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Paul

posted November 15, 2008 at 10:43 pm


It cracks me up when people cry out, “separation of church and state” as if this is an excuse to let people behave badly. It’s like saying to God, “am I my brother’s keeper?” I would also like to know where in the constitution does it say, “separation of church and state” because I still haven’t found it.



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John Paul

posted November 15, 2008 at 10:44 pm


Hey Reality_check
You may be interested to know that God did not give every man, woman and child the right to choose to do wrong. You misunderstand the term freedom. We are free to choose the good, we are free to choose God. If we choose to do other than what God commands, then we become slaves and lose our freedom. No “civil right” can ever trump an eternal law, “thou shalt not kill.” In addition, what you characterize as intolerant and judgemental is what is know as enlightening the ignorant, in hopes that they will have enough humility to acknowledge their sin and save their soul.



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jeanne

posted November 15, 2008 at 10:44 pm


If Mr Obama can’t get it right on life issues, how can we trust him to have the right judgment on other issues such as national security, economic decisions, etc. Our Constitution protects the right to life and our Declaration of Independence states that “Life,liberty and the pursuit of happiness” are basic, inalienable rights. Why does he not see that the unborn are humans too, and that those infants who survive abortion should be afforded these same rights?__I pray that the Holy Spirit enlightens Mr Obama and those whom he has chosen as his advisors.____



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Missoura

posted November 15, 2008 at 10:45 pm


For all you “Catholics” (clears throat) that voted for Mr. Baby Murderer Obama, you got what you wanted!



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Rose

posted November 15, 2008 at 10:49 pm


Illinois resident,
Yes, technically Lincoln was born in Kentucky and at the age of 21 left home and moved to Illinois where he became involved in political life, became a lawyer, married and set up residence with his family etc. Having said that , he was a resident of Illinois …therefore my comparison…. and Obama is upp for grabs where he is “really” from…….



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Bill2222

posted November 15, 2008 at 10:50 pm


How many times du es one need to hears separation of church and state? Do some homework…it’s nowhere in the constitution except for those who’s blief system is founded on lies, erroneous dogma and false accusations.
Maybe you need a refresher course on the Bill of Rights. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.



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Missoura

posted November 15, 2008 at 10:51 pm


A guy, and he is a guy, that supports baby murder IS NOT MY PRESIDENT, he’s only a resident of 1600 penn ave!
I’d quit the service if he is the president!



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Bill2222

posted November 15, 2008 at 10:55 pm


How many times does one has to listem to the invented story of the so called separation of church and state? Do some homework…it’s nowhere in the constitution except for those who’s blief system is founded on lies, erroneous dogma and false accusations. Maybe you need a refresher course on the Bill of Rights. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.



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Rose

posted November 15, 2008 at 10:55 pm


Separation of church and state only meant that the “powers that be” could not impose/mandate/favor a particuliar code of beliefs…ie…Baptist, Lutheran, Pentacostal, Catholic etc. It did not mean that the Creator/Divine Providence was not to be considered in the political life and decisions of the Union/Nation.



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Bill2222

posted November 15, 2008 at 11:02 pm


why should the Church stay out of public policy? Would you expect auto manufacturers to stay out of public policy? Would you expect non-profit hospitals, doctors, lawyers, farmers, the insurance industry and others to ‘stay out of public policy’? The Church doesn’t and will not endorse candidates nor are candidates allowed to speak from the pulpit (strangely I often see Democratic candidates speaking from the pulpit of black churches…such obvious pandering and a violation of tax-exempt status!) The Church has every right to fight implementation of policies that are contrary to the fundamental teachings and doctrine of a billion people on this earth.



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pagansister

posted November 15, 2008 at 11:07 pm


F.C. :
A woman’s right to choose is hers’ before and after intercourse. Ideally she has enough sense to use birth control, and there is no pregnancy, but if that control fails and she gets pregnant, and for whatever reason feels she can’t carry to term, then she has the right to choose to terminate. And even more so if she is raped or has an incestous situation. No woman I have known has had an abortion without a great deal of angonizing over it.
You have your beliefs, I have mine. NO church or government has the right to take away my right to do with my body as I see fit.



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Your Name

posted November 15, 2008 at 11:18 pm


pagansister,
You have your beliefs and I have mine is a true statement. However, individuals have the right to object when their tax dollars are being used contrary to their beliefs to provide abortions for others. Also, doctors, nurses and hospitals that uphold their belief system should not be forced to provide you the services of abortion and you should be as respectful of their belief system as you would want them to be of yours.



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Bill2222

posted November 15, 2008 at 11:21 pm


A women has no right in god’s eyes to kill a baby. Even in rape a baby is still no less of a baby even more then the mother is still a mother.



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Missoura

posted November 15, 2008 at 11:23 pm


“Historic election” yeah so was Hitler’s rise to power!



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Bill2222

posted November 15, 2008 at 11:27 pm


A baby is not your body.Further even our bodies belong to God. You did not create yourself.



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Missoura

posted November 15, 2008 at 11:27 pm


To borrow the dem’s phrase: “He (BHO) will NEVER EVER EVER be my president…only a resident”



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Wendy Kwasniewski

posted November 15, 2008 at 11:27 pm


Paganster:
A woman does not have the right to choose, it is not her life that she is ending. Babies are a gift from God, if you do not want that special gift give it to someone who would like that child. All life is precious and we have no right at all to end it, that means NO to ABORTION, No to euthanasia, No to the Death Penalty. God will Judge thoes who kill.Be it The doctor who kills that innocent baby, or a doctor who kills someone whom life has became very difficult to even the killer of any human. We are not God, We CANNOT kill someone just because they have or will make things hard for us!!!



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Your Name

posted November 15, 2008 at 11:33 pm


Also the baby belongs to the father of the child it’s not just the mother’s kid.



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Justin

posted November 15, 2008 at 11:58 pm


Well said Bill2222. The Church can never stay out of politics because politics involves the exercise of power, and that affects the lives of millions of people. The Church will always exercise her prophetic office by preaching against injustice in any political system, including our own. Recall the encyclical letter of Pope Pius XI, “With Burning Sorrow,” which soundly condemned the errors and evils of Nazism. It was smuggled into Nazi Germany and read at all the Masses on Palm Sunday, 1937. Many Catholic bishops were arrested after that, but they suffered and died for prophetically denouncing the evils of an unjust political system and the horrors it was bringing upon the people of Germany and eventually, all of Europe.



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Teresa

posted November 16, 2008 at 12:23 am


Pagan sister –
Please LOOK AT THE PICTURES OF ABORTION. You will see the horrible truth.
AMEN, CARDINAL STAFFORD. ANYONE WITH EVEN A TIDBIT OF DISCERNMENT COULD SEE THAT THIS MAN SHOULD NOT BE A LEADER. HE IS FOR ALL SORTS OF ABOMINATIONS, AND HAS MOCKED SCRIPTURE. One wonders if this is the man of perdition…



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larry

posted November 16, 2008 at 2:14 am


Steven,
While your statement on the estimates of abortions performed since Roe vs. Wade and Doe vs. Bolton are fairly accurate, where do you get your estimates on the number of people killed in the name of the Catholic Church? I think you heard it somewhere and regurgitated it without checking the facts. After you’ve gone and checked the numbers, the onus is on you to tell us what you’ve found, I will personally welcome you into the Church that Christ founded, and that is the Catholic Church. May God bless you in your search for the truth.



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Mowgli

posted November 16, 2008 at 3:25 am


This article needs more details, and really touches more on just abortion and some catholic dude… the headline dosnt go into depth about obamessiah, if you really want to know more about americas future and how obama will turn out Google USA 2009-12 Astrological forecasts & charts..i got more outta the forecast than I did out of this lame a@$ empty article!



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Kelley

posted November 16, 2008 at 7:14 am


“judge not that ye be not judged” seems the Church has forgotten what its Founder said. this statement,and the refusal of some Catholic priests to give Communion to Obama voters, makes me realize that they’ve forgotten one other thing. what about the hundreds of sex abuse allegations they’re currently dealing with? seems to me ppl in glass cathedrals..oh well. no sin is big or little. if they’re ticked off about abortion, seems to me they’d look into their own closets n realize they have bigger fish to fry than a pro choice president. charity starts at home,and so does reconcilliation w/another thing their Founder said “i say unto you that if any man harm one of these little ones, it were better for him that he had a millstone tied around his neck and be thrown into the sea than for him to have to face God on Judgement Day”.



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Your Name

posted November 16, 2008 at 7:28 am


On November the fourth we the people of the United States have elected a man who can not prove he is a natural born citizen, has known ties to terrorist, a radical preacher and priest,a socialist, and most of all a BABY KILLER! He wants to tear down the rich and middle class and spread the wealth.This does not have the affect everybody thinks it will have,the poor will not rise up but the middle class and rich will be brought down to the poor.Could it be the power of something for nothing over rides all moral and ethic values such as killing the weakest among us,the unborn. if we would abollious this one sin from our country great blessing and aboundants would be giving to us,MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON US ALL!By the way I am a cradle Catholic!



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Bill2222

posted November 16, 2008 at 7:58 am


Kelly:__Read the bible you will know them by their fruit. They come in sheep’s cloths but inside are a den of theives .. You Kelly falsly interpect the bible!____Also Kelly you look only to the few Judas in the church. Even Jesus had the first Judas All the while failing to notice the many Mother Teresa’s the church has raise!__Also the church is taking issue with abuses in the church. As I hope you take issue with the goodness in the Church.



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Your Name

posted November 16, 2008 at 8:10 am


Kelly what do you mean no sin is big or little? You mean one murder is as big as amillion murders?



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Your Name

posted November 16, 2008 at 8:24 am


After reading a few of these posts, it’s no wonder Obama got half the Catholic vote. There really isn’t a “catholic” sense here. It’s always the “sins of the church”. Well, the head of the Church is Jesus Christ therefore it is holy. We are supposed to be its members, the body. The Church doesn’t sin, we do. The transgressions mentioned above are OURS. They’re either enabled by us, tolerated by us, or committed by us. Pick any sin, YOU had something to do with it and all you’re doing is sitting there pointing fingers! __Time to get out of the cafeteria folks.



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Your Name

posted November 16, 2008 at 8:37 am


The Church is both human and Divine.True we humans are all sinners For the just man falls seven times…that’s why God gave us confession.__ Obama got half the Catholic vote? Now that’s a good question.



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john

posted November 16, 2008 at 8:57 am


I thought the Cardinals remarks might be on target.After reading the hatefilled comments,I know he was.



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J Brown

posted November 16, 2008 at 9:10 am


What a small segment of the population doesn’t want to understand
is that Pres-elect Obama was elected to serve ALL of the people of the USA – not just the extremists on the right and left. The majority of people in the US want abortion to remain safe, legal, and rare.
The church needs to clean up its own house before it casts dispersions on the house of the USA.



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dismas

posted November 16, 2008 at 9:45 am


Imagine a sports team, getting whipped in a game, going into the locker room, and deciding to do more of the same for the remainder of the game. It is a sure recipe for defeat.
Now imagine that that team had, stuffed in some dusty unused old file, a game plan that resulted victorious unfailingly in the past. Imagine that that team had abandoned that perfect plan a few years ago, because the owners of the team felt it was old, outmoded and boring to the fans. They wished to attract new fans, and fill their stadiums.
Now imagine that the fans whom the owners had wished to excite, had instead quit attending. Imagine they went elsewhere and very few others had been attracted.
And finally, imagine again the decision of that team to do more of the same thing that has resulted in their getting whipped badly.
The Church will return to Catholicism, have no doubt. The question is, what will we all have to suffer before we are finally brought to our knees and turn back to the winning plan? How many more babies will be sacrificed to the god of abandonment of Catholicism?
Gang, as the above article indicates, the Church is so deeply lost from abandoning its own foundations, that the very leaders are unable to discern the true problems, or to consider that winning game plan. They know not of it.



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Stef

posted November 16, 2008 at 9:49 am


Why didn’t the Cardinals & Bishops say this before the election? Maybe now they see what has been going on since Vatican II and how our American Bishops & priests have used it to create a new American Catholic Church instead of Roman Catholic Church. It is about time.



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Mark

posted November 16, 2008 at 9:57 am


To all Catholics who voted for Obama based on the war being “evil”:____Let me help put in perspective your logic.____1. Obama made absolutely clear that he would push through and sign the Freedom of Choice Act (FOCA)____2. If signed into law, this legislation will tear down “common sense” regulations across the entire specturm of the abortion industry.____3. The FOCA will, on average during a single 2-week period, incrementally increase the number of dead babies by more THAN ALL OF THE COMBAT DEATHES INCURRED BY THE AMERICAN MILITARY IN AFGANISTAN AND IRAQ COMBINED, DURING THE LAST 5 YEARS.____4. Obama was so blinded in his quest for power to remain loyal to his base, including the abortion industry, that heavily subsidized his political life, that he could not even see the injustice being perpetrated on living babies who survived abortion. Three times, he squirmed, argued, overreached, and resorted to non-existent constitutional argument to avoid making just this one concession. Even Planned Parenthood agreed that the Born Alive Act was needed. Even Planned Parenthood said that allowing viable babies who survived abortion to die was murder by their rules. But not for Obama.____Let me ask you this. If this person who calls himself a man and a father, is so blind to the injustice of not only unrestricted abortion, but to that of a living, viable baby who survives abortion, then WHY SHOULD YOU BELIEVE THAT HE CAN PROTECT YOUR RIGHTS?____How could he ever recognize evil, star it down, and protect this country? How? ____Will he “vote present” if we are faced with another unprovoked attack? ____He certainly has talked a tough game about beating up on babies, both in the womb and those who survive abortion, but what has he said about confronting our enemies who desure the destruction of this country, other than dismantling scores of military weapons programs and calling Iran a “small country”?____Will he apply the same philisophical approach to such a national crisis as he did the born alive act and endlessly deliberate the decision to acknowledge evil and injustice? ____Will he lead in a manner that instills a “healthy fear” into the hearts and minds of those who want to destroy this country?____Do you really believe after closely listening to his recorded testimony on the born alive act, his recorded video in front of planned parenthood, and his statements about “babies being a punishment” that he possesses the necessary moral authority to lead and protect this nation?____I can only pray he forms a true conversion of heart. If not, please do not act surprised if our country does suffer greatly if and when he is tested.______



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posted November 16, 2008 at 10:53 am


If you agree with Cdl. Stafford’s warnings, please join us in praying the rosary for the conversion of America and its leaders, and for the triumph of the culture of life.
go to http://www.rosariesforlife.com for more information.
So far, we have over 27,000 rosaries pledged to be said in the next two months.



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Teresa

posted November 16, 2008 at 11:01 am


TO J BROWN:
AAH, THE ULTIMATE OXYMORON – A SAFE ABORTION.
FOR WHOM, I WONDER?
BY THY HOLY AND IMMACULATE CONCEPTION, OH MARY, DELIVER THE UNITED STATES FROM EVIL…AMEN.



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Your Name

posted November 16, 2008 at 11:25 am


“Who then shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation? or distress? or famine? or nakedness? or danger? or persecution? or the sword? As it is written: “For your sake we are being slain all the day



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Harold

posted November 16, 2008 at 11:30 am


Well, its about time we took out the big guns. God bless his emminence, and, keep those white cassocks clean!



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Jose

posted November 16, 2008 at 11:40 am


“Who then shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation? or distress? or famine? or nakedness? or danger? or persecution? or the sword? As it is written: “For your sake we are being slain all the day; we are looked upon as sheep to be slaughtered.” But in all these things we overcome, because of Him that hath loved us. For I am sure that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor might, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the Love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord”. Romans 8: 35- 39
November 5, 2008
JESUS IN YOU I TRUST!
FROM THE DIARY OF SAINT FAUSTINA:
“OH, ETERNAL GOD, IN WHOM MERCY IS INFINITE, AND WHOSE TREASURE OF COMPASSION IS UNFATHOMABLE, CAST UPON US YOUR BENEVOLENT GAZE AND INCREASE YOUR MERCY ON US, SO THAT IN DIFFICULT MOMENTS, WE DO NOT DISPAIR NOR LOSE COURAGE, BUT WITH GREAT TRUST IN YOU, WE SUBMIT TO YOUR MOST HOLY WILL, WHICH IS YOUR OWN LOVE AND MERCY. ” (II,297)
JESUS OUR LORD TO THE SERVANT OF GOD LUISA PICCARRETA:
April 23, 1933
“My blessed daughter, …THE VIRTUE OF ABANDONMENT IN GOD IS THE GREATEST VIRTUE, IT IS COMMITTING GOD TO TAKE CARE OF THE ONE ABANDONED INTO HIS ARMS. OUR ABANDONMENT IN GOD’S ARMS SAYS TO HIM: ‘I DO NOT WANT TO KNOW ANYTHING OF MYSELF; THIS LIFE OF MINE IS YOURS, NOT MINE; AND YOURS IS MINE.’
THEREFORE, IF YOU WANT TO OBTAIN EVERYTHING, IF YOU WANT TO TRULY LOVE ME, LIVE SURRENDERED IN MY ARMS, LET ME HEAR THE ECHO OF EVERY INSTANT OF MY LIFE: ‘INTO YOUR HANDS I SURRENDER MYSELF COMPLETELY,’ AND I WILL CARRY YOU IN MY ARMS AS THE MOST BELOVED OF MY CHILDREN.”
April 2, 1932
“My daughter, all the workings of Our Supreme Being are perfect and complete, none of Our acts is half done. All creation is complete and perfect. Not only that, but many things that are not absolutely necessary, are added as a superfluous display of Our Power, Love, and Magnificence. Only man, for whom all things were created, should remain as our incomplete and imperfect work, short of attaining the purpose for which he was created, which is that Our Fiat may reign in every creature? And this, because he sinned and remained stained and defaced, rendering him as an abode at the point of collapse, exposed to thieves and to his enemies? As if Our Power were limited and lacked the Potency to do whatever It wants, however and whenever It wants?
WE ARE OMNIPOTENT; Our desire can at times be lacking, but whenever We want to, Our Power is so great, that whatever We want, We do. There is nothing that can surmount Our Power; hence We have the power to rehabilitate man, to make him more beautiful than before, to fortify him, cementing his collapsed abode, in such a way as to make him stronger, more resilient than before. And with a Breath of our Power, imprison in the dark abyss all his enemies and all thieves.
So, even though man fell from the Grace of Our Divine Will, he never ceased to be a Work of Ours, and although he became disordered, OUR POWER, in deference to Our work, which should be perfect and complete as We designed it, WITH ITS POTENCY WILL PUT A LIMIT TO MAN’S DISORDERS, AND WEAKNESSES, AND WITH DOMINION WILL SAY TO HIM: ‘ENOUGH! THIS IS THE LIMIT! — RETURN TO ORDER, TAKE YOUR PLACE OF HONOR AS A WORK WORTHY OF YOUR CREATOR.
These are portents that our Omnipotence will employ, and that man will have no power to resist, but effortlessly and with spontaneity, animated and attracted by a Supreme Force and by an invincible Love, he will surrender. Wasn’t the Redemption a great wonder of Our Power desired by Our Will and by Our Love, that knows how to win over everything- including the darkest ingratitudes, the gravest faults-, and reciprocates in Love where the ungrateful man has offended Us most?
If left up to man, most certainly he would not be able to lift himself up. But when it comes to My Power and My Love, when the two balances spill over so much and touch him with the Will to conquer him, MAN WILL FEEL SHAKEN AND THROWN TO THE GROUND, AND THEN HE WILL RESURGE FROM EVIL INTO GOODNESS AND WILL ENTER ONCE AGAIN INTO OUR DIVINE WILL, FROM WHENCE HE HAD FALLEN, TO RECOVER HIS LOST INHERITANCE.
When We will it, ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE; great things just as easily as small ones. …In effect, when I was on earth, as my Power ran in all my acts, Its Potency was empowered in the touch of my hand, in the dominion of my voice, just as in everything else, and with the same ease with which I called back to life the little girl who had died a few hours before, I called to life Lazarus after four days of death, even after his flesh was corrupted and emitted a horrendous odor. I ordered them to remove his wrappings and then called him with the dominion of my voice: ‘Lazarus, come forth.’
At the Power of my voice, Lazarus resurrected, the corruption disappeared, the stench ceased and he returned healed and vigorous as if he had never died. A true example of how my Power can make the Kingdom of My Will resurge in the midst of the creatures….”
December 21, 1937:
“My good daughter, it is decreed in the Consistory of the Most Holy Trinity that my Divine Will shall have Its reign on earth, and for as many prodigies as are necessary for this, We will do them. We will not spare anything in order to have what We want, for when We act, We always use the simplest, but most powerful ways, to overwhelm heavens and earth, and all creatures, in the act that We want.
You must know that in the creation of man, in order to infuse life into him, no more was needed than our Omnipotent Breath, but how many prodigies were contained in that Breath! We created the soul, endowing it with the three powers of our Faculties, as true Image of our adorable Trinity.
Look my daughter, by man not living in our Divine Volition, the faculties of his three powers have been obscured and our adorable Image has been deformed in him, in such a way that he lost the first heartbeat of the Love of God in his own heartbeat. He lost God’s Divine Breath in his human breath; that is, not that he lost It, but that he does not feel It, hence he does not feel the circulation of the Divine Life in him, the movement of Goodness, the warmth of Supreme Love, the Word of God in his, and he lost the sight needed to be able to see his Creator. All has remained obscured, numbed, weakened and perhaps even deformed.
Now, what is needed from Us in order to renew this man? WE WILL AGAIN BREATHE OUR BREATH IN HIM, with stronger and growing Love. We will infuse our Breath into the very depths of his soul; We will breathe It more strongly into the center of his rebellious will, but so very strongly as to shake free from him all the evils to which he is bound; his passions will be knocked to the ground and become petrified before the power of our Breath, they will feel themselves burnt by our Divine Fire, and the human will shall feel the palpitating Life of its Creator, Who will be veiled within him, and he will thus again become the bearer of his Creator. Oh, how happy he will be! WITH OUR BREATH WE WILL RENEW HIM, WE WILL RESTORE HIM TO HEALTH….
See then what is needed to make our Will come to reign upon the earth: THE POWER OF OUR OMNIPOTENT BREATH. With It, We will renew our Life in mankind.”
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WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 5, 2008
Looking at the Catholic Vote
So things just got a lot worse for the unborn, and in large part DUE TO THE CATHOLIC VOTE NO LESS. According to exit polls, Sen. Obama carried the Catholic vote at 54 percent. And I don’t think there’s any disputing those numbers, considering a.- he won, and b.- Catholics are more than a quarter of the United States population. A candidate would be hard-pressed to win the general election without carrying the Catholic vote, though George Bush did in 2000. Obama won the electoral vote easily while losing many traditionally Protestant states; hence, those figures are probably very accurate.
From other Religions, the facts are just as disturbing, as those of the Jewish Faith voted 78 percent for Obama and Evangelicals 46 percent.
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Nov. 9, 2008 – (Washington Post) Transition advisers to President-elect Barack Obama have compiled a list of about 200 Bush administration actions and executive orders that could be swiftly undone to reverse White House policies on climate change, stem cell research, reproductive rights and other issues, according to congressional Democrats, campaign aides and experts working with the transition team.
Obama himself has signaled, for example, that he intends to reverse Bush’s controversial limit on federal funding of embryonic stem cell research, a decision that scientists say has restrained research into some of the most promising avenues for defeating a wide array of diseases, such as Parkinson’s.
The new president is also expected to lift a so-called global gag rule barring international family planning groups that receive U.S. aid from counseling women about the availability of abortion, even in countries where the procedure is legal, said Cecile Richards, the president of Planned Parenthood Federation of America. When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, he rescinded the Reagan-era regulation, known as the Mexico City policy, but Bush re-imposed it.
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Subject: Fr. Corapi on the results of the elections
Hold tight for the wild ride ahead
The American people have now made it abundantly clear who they want to lead them, and the policies and practices that this president-elect has represented for some time, they can now claim as their own.
Actions have consequences, and I am sure God has duly noted what our priorities are in the US of A. Economic matters would seem to take precedence over moral matters; money more important than life itself to most people (I guess they don’t consider almost 50,000,000 innocent children murdered by abortion part of life).
Now we shall see what the fruit of such a tree will be. I predict that we won’t have to wait long. In recent months we have seen “corrections” in the stock market, housing market, and banking industries. Now we’ll see if God orchestrates a “correction” in a country and a world that has demonstrated quite clearly that it prefers convenience and wealth to life itself.
Regardless of whatever happens next, remember there is still a God in Heaven and He loves you. He is infinitely merciful—and He is infinitely just as well.
God Bless You
Fr. John Corapi
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“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I dedicated you.”
Jeremiah 1: 5
“Do you not know that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? But if any man destroys the temple of God, him shall God destroy. For the temple of God, which you are, is holy”.
1 Corinthians 3: 16-17
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JESUS OUR LORD TO THE SERVANT OF GOD LUISA PICCARRETA:
February 8, 1931:
“My good daughter, courage! You must know that my Divine Will acts in two ways: In the way I have willed, AND IN A PERMISSIVE WAY. When my Will moves in My willed way, It fulfills my designs, It forms sanctity, and the creature who receives this willed act of my Will, receives It with Its light, with Its grace, and with Its help. Nothing will be lacking to this fortunate creature so that it can fulfill this willed act from my Will.
On the other hand, MY DIVINE WILL ACTS IN A PERMISSIVE WAY WHEN CREATURES, WITH THEIR FREE WILL, LOOK TO TIE THE HANDS OF THE OMNIPOTENT, wanting to change things to their own way, and not how I, Who with so much love and for the good of all, have disposed until today, AND THEY THEN FORCE ME TO ACT IN A PERMISSIVE WAY, AND, MY PERMISSIVE WILL IS WITH JUSTICE AND CHASTISEMENT. Who knows where they are going to precipitate themselves. THEREFORE, I WILL ACT WITH MY PERMISSIVE WILL in such instances.”
September 18, 1938
“My daughter,… I will use all means of love, of grace, of punishment; I will touch the creatures on every side in order to make My Will Reign. AND WHEN IT APPEARS AS IF TRUE GOODNESS WOULD SURELY DIE, IT WILL RESURGE MORE BEAUTIFUL AND MAJESTIC….”
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On June 6, 1935 the Lord tells Luisa:
“My daughter… You should know that I always love my children, my beloved creatures. I would eviscerate Myself in order not to see them stricken, so much so, that IN THE DEADLY TIMES TO COME I HAVE PUT THEM ALL IN THE HANDS OF MY CELESTIAL MOTHER; TO HER I HAVE ENTRUSTED THEM, SO THAT SHE HOLDS THEM SECURED FOR ME UNDER HER MANTLE”.
Luisa speaking:
Now, as He said this, my dear Jesus made me truly see, that THE SOVEREIGN QUEEN DESCENDED FROM HEAVEN WITH INDESCRIBABLE MAJESTY, AND WITH TENDERNESS ALL MATERNAL, SHE VISITED IN THE MIDST OF THE CREATURES IN ALL THE NATIONS, AND MARKED HER DEAR CHILDREN AND THOSE WHO SHOULD NOT BE TOUCHED BY THE SCOURGES; WHOMEVER MY CELESTIAL MOTHER TOUCHED, THE SCOURGES DIDN’T HAVE POWER OVER THEM. OUR SWEET JESUS GAVE THE RIGHT TO HIS MOTHER TO SAVE WHOMEVER SHE PLEASED.
How moving it was to see the Celestial Empress go around the whole world; to see Her take them in her Maternal hands. She held them close in her bosom and hid them under her mantle, so that no evil might be able to harm those people who her Maternal goodness held in her custody, guarded and defended. Oh! If everyone could see with how much love and tenderness the Celestial Queen did this task, they would cry in consolation and would love Her, Who loves us so very much.
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COURAGE BROTHERS AND SISTERS! In the refuge of the Immaculate Heart of our Blessed Mother, being ONE with our Lord Jesus and with His Divine Will Reigning in us, THE VICTORY IS THE LORD’S (and ours).
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“ IT IS I; BE NOT AFRAID”. John 6: 20
“What shall we then say to these things?
IF GOD BE FOR US, WHO IS AGAINST US?” Romans 8: 31



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Your Name

posted November 16, 2008 at 3:45 pm


Yikes!!
I do have a question, however. Why did Pope Benedict send Obama a telegram congratulating him on his election? Didn’t he get the memo from the Cardinal? It seems the head of the Catholic Church is not as angry with Obama as a lot of you good Catholics out there. And, while I don’t know what the subsequent phone call dealt with, the prelude of a congratulatory telegram does lead me to believe that the Pope suddenly told Obama he was evil. So, maybe all Catholics should follow the Holy Father’s lead.



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Stephen M. Bauer

posted November 16, 2008 at 4:17 pm


What a nabbering nabob of negativism! Where is the hope!



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manolmontana

posted November 16, 2008 at 4:54 pm


Hey Your name,
when you express congratulatory greetings or whatever sort that is, it does not necessarily and automatically mean you agree with that person.
Out of charity and goodness, so was the congratulatory wishes sent.
And yeah you might be right, the Pope must have said some disapproval to Barack but he would not use the “e” word.



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Glenn Dallaire

posted November 16, 2008 at 4:55 pm


Although it may seem to some that the Cardinals comments are a bit strong, we must remember it is very true that Obama’s voting record is 100 percent in favor of abortion and he has spoken in favor of gay marriage and he also supports embryonic stem cell research.
Therefore we can see that he aganist the Gospel on some important issues, and by his voting record has shown himself to be part of the “culture of death” that Pope John Paul II spoke of.
Glenn Dallaire
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F.C.

posted November 16, 2008 at 5:18 pm


To pagansister:
You err, because you believe you are your own, but you are not. Since you are unchurched perhaps you do not know and so cannot believe this, but the Church teaches (and this can be traced even to ancient Old Testament doctrine) that we are NOT our own. Our selves are not ours to do with as we please, but we, our very selves, body and soul, are God’s, since we are His creatures (He created us.) You are responsible to God Himself for what you do with and to your body. You have been given free will and you are responsible to God for the choices you make. Your very self is holy and sacred, and to defile your self, through fornication, birth control, or abortion, is a sin against God. The murder of an innocent to satisfy yourself is a grave sin against the other and against your self.
Actions have consequences. Even young adults realize intercourse can lead to pregnancy. Once that happens, you only add sin to sin by murdering the child to alter the consequence of your initial sin.
Please reflect carefully about the line of thinking you use to justify abortion that contradicts these truths. If you have not known anyone who has “not agonized” over having an abortion, wherefore the “agony?” Where did the sense that the abortion was a dire and significant act come from? Why was it not simple, like having a mole removed? Was there some assent in the spirit that this indeed is a life being destroyed?
Don’t let yourself agree with a philosophy that ultimately will destroy your soul simply because it seems popular or superficially “fair.”
In addition, governments routinely dictate to people what they may and may not do to their bodies. One example is drug use. You may not use illegal drugs, even in your own home. Another is you may not use your body for prostitution. So governments may restrict your use of your body for the greater good of society.



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posted November 16, 2008 at 5:35 pm


Wendy K, Your Name, Bill2222:__Obviously my pro-choice is considered by you all to be wrong, none the less, it is my opinion. None of you are being asked to have an abortion, none of you are being asked to agree with me. Also none of you have the right to tell me or other women that they can’t take and use their right to choose to abort or to go to term. ____Yes Wendy, I’ve seen the pictures that have been blown up to frighten women, and Your Name (or no name it seems) the baby does belong to the father if indeed he chooses to take credit….many different situations to deal with in some circumstances. However he doesn’t carry and give birth. Bill2222, Rape and incest are even more reasons a woman might choose to terminate. You don’t seem to understand that if she gave birth to a child of incest, or rape, she’d be looking at the results of a situation she’d rather forget. Many times the child suffers at the hands of that mother because of it’s violent start. She misteats and abuses it. I’m sure she could carry to term, give birth and put it up for adoption, but why? That’s 9 more months of remembering HOW the whole thing started…violently. Morning after pill is a great way to handle that situation. No, women must always have the right to choose. If that is taken away…she’ll find a way to do it herself. Women always have. You can count on that. I know the RCC disagrees with me as do others with and without religion. But religion or government doesn’t control my body. It boils down to: It is up to the woman to do with her body as she sees fit. Telling me that it is a baby at conception doesn’t ring true for me.



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posted November 16, 2008 at 5:53 pm


F.C.:____FYI, I was raised a Methodist, by 2 very loving parents who took me and my 2 sisters every Sunday, so have been “churched” as much as I chose to be. Decided it wasn’t for me at 17 or 18, can’t remember when. Did the college degree thing, married and raised 2 children in the UU church. So, am not “unchurched.” Taught 10 years in a RCC school, and still wasn’t convinced that there is a divine being…and certainly don’t figure he/she made me. That was my parents doing. So there is a lot of disagreement here. My body is mine. I will answer to no one when I leave this earth. __And you seem to state that birth control (except Catholic Roulette) is not right. I most certainly disagree with you there. It is easy to understand that with the use of “artificial” birth control there will be fewer pregnancies thus fewer women who might seek to have an abortion. Birth control=Fewer Abortions. Also STD’s are fewer with the basic condom. ____Yes, goverments control a lot of what I do, but putting illegal drugs (or even legal drugs) in my body is partly my choice and partly the governments. But the government has said when it comes to reproduction, it is my choice and basicly it has always been a woman’s choice…since we all crawled out of the slime and learned to walk upright. ____ ____



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posted November 16, 2008 at 6:18 pm


I am a devout Catholic and I voted for Obama. I know that the culture of life encompasses much more than one issue. It is opposed to the death penalty, opposed to unjust wars and the marginalization of the poor and needy. Our present administration has sanctioned torture of human beings in our custody, has bombed a country that was no threat to us, thereby killing countless innocents, and has approved the death penalty. How many babies in their mothers’ wombs were killed by our bombs along with their mothers in Iraq? Our beloved Pope John Paul II valiently opposed the Iraq War, but our present administration ignored his pleas. So did the American bishops, something that saddened me greatly. The middle class and working poor are suffering in America. We have had eight years of an adminstration that pandered to the unbridled greed of Wall Street and big business, which has broken us economically. At this point, it is no longer an option to continue on the path we have been on the past eight years. We need to return to the morality and ideals of our founding fathers and promote PEACE in the world. The only choice for those of us who are tired of war and inequality and hardship for honest Americans trying to support their families was Obama. I wish he were pro life, but we can pray for that. Meanwhile, the people need help and the world needs America to lead the way towards a peaceful future.



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es stone

posted November 16, 2008 at 6:25 pm


They say “Ignorance is bliss.” I guess a lot of people who voted for Obama Hussein must feel very blissful, but there will be a price to pay.



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posted November 16, 2008 at 6:26 pm


WE ARE ALL IN FOR A RUDE AWAKENING!



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Justin

posted November 16, 2008 at 6:49 pm


Your Name:
“I am a devout Catholic and I voted for Obama. I know that the culture of life encompasses much more than one issue. It is opposed to the death penalty, opposed to unjust wars and the marginalization of the poor and needy. Our present administration has sanctioned torture of human beings in our custody, has bombed a country that was no threat to us, thereby killing countless innocents, and has approved the death penalty. How many babies in their mothers’ wombs were killed by our bombs along with their mothers in Iraq?”
You are right that Pope John Paul II was against the invasion of Iraq and much of what you say is true, but – and this is important – there is NO MORAL EQUIVALENCE between the deaths experienced in Iraq, or anywhere else and the 50 million babies killed by abortion. Abortion, for Catholics, is the number one issue that overrides all others put together and that is why your vote was a cooperation in evil. By voting for Obama, you have cooperated with him in his pro-abortion agenda no matter what other policies of his you might agree with. By helping to elect him, you have helped advance the Freedom of Choice Act which will bring back partial birth abortion and unrestricted abortion paid for by our tax dollars. Catholic hospitals may be forced to perform abortions or close. So I hope that you and all the other “devout” Catholics who voted for Obama are happy with your choice because it was seriously misguided, morally speaking. I suggest you read Fr. Thomas Euteneuer’s article. He is the
President of Human Life International. The link to his article is here: http://www.hli.org/sl_2008-11-14.html



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posted November 16, 2008 at 6:59 pm


To pagansister:
It was for charity’s sake I assumed you were unchurched.
“39 And Jesus said, “For judgment I came into this world, so that those who do not see may see, and that those who see may become blind.” 40 Those of the Pharisees who were with Him heard these things and said to Him, “We are not blind too, are we?” 41 Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would have no sin; but since you say, ‘We see,’ your sin remains. John 9:39-41
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posted November 16, 2008 at 7:11 pm


The word “devout” is so loosely tosed around today. No truely “devout” Catholic EVER votes in a way that will get millions of babies killed each and every year. We have killed more babies since Roe-V-Wade than the number of people killed in WW-I, WW-II, Viet-Nam, and Iraq all put together. We are killing would be future priests, doctors, teachers, scientists, etc., etc. When we play God and determine who is born and who is not, we upset His plan to save us. Aparently some of us think we are smarter than God, but there is a big price to pay for that. May God have mercy!!!__



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posted November 16, 2008 at 7:23 pm


Again, I am absolutely astounded by the vitriol spewed by a member of the leadership of the Roman Catholic Church. What has the Church come to? Not only is it fast becomming a one issue Church, but its leadership more and more departs from a spirit of charity. __Perhaps it would be well for them to remember that Jesus reserved his most harsh words for the leadership and religious establishment of his day.



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posted November 16, 2008 at 7:39 pm


To Your Name post at 7:23 PM:
You forget or don’t know that Jesus IS the Roman Catholic Church – the RCC is the mystical body of Christ on earth. So it is Jesus who is condemning abortion and those who support it.



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dennis weber

posted November 16, 2008 at 7:49 pm


The person who claims to be a “devout Catholic” that voted for Obama should seriously re-examine his or her conscience, and start by removing his or her pride. Since Pride is the Father of all sin—think of what Lucifer’s great sin was—it is the sin that most of us suffer from the most. This is true of Conservatives and Liberals, but right now it may well be the hidden motivator for the vote for Obama. The opposite of pride is humility, and humility is one of the great virtues for a reason. Pride helps one remove the lens of right judgement and the cloak of humility and put on the garb of obstinance and stubborness, both tools of the Evil one…____It’s true there are reasons for a devout Catholic to be frustrated with some of the events of the last 8 years. I can see this. But, does socialism—redistribution of wealth—correct these flaws? Of course not. Since when has taxation ever lead to prosperity? You’ll have to twist economic history to make this happen. Obama is also pro-death penalty, as was McCain, so a vote on that basis is neutralized. The Founding Father’s called the three great rights: life, liberty and the pursuite of happiness. The reason Life is listed first is because without life there can be no liberty



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Rose

posted November 16, 2008 at 7:54 pm


To the person who doubted that I am a devout Catholic: why are you so blind to the thousands and thousands of Iraqi women who could not protect themselves and their children and their unborn children from the cruel bombs that fell on them. Are they less valuable because we don’t know if they are Catholics, or because they are “foreign” people? I personally am pro life, and I expect all Catholics who practice their faith to be. I have that choice; the countless victims of war are given no choice. I think their cries have reached heaven. Never, never do we enter a war without total just cause. It is against God. Pope John Paul II knew that. Pope Benedict knows that. Our present administration showed no regard for human life in entering into a war of choice. It was their choice to kill. Do you not understand that? We need a president that has respect for life; all life. That is why people voted against more of what we’ve had.



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Jay

posted November 16, 2008 at 8:10 pm


The US dioceses are in need of exorcism. The US Catholic Church is in spiritual darkness. Demonic infestation and dominion is evident.



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pagansister

posted November 16, 2008 at 8:35 pm


F.C.:__”Charity”? Thanks but no thanks.____As for my “sin remaining?”..first one has to believe in something like that. It is a great technique to try and scare folks into following some divine beings’ rules…”worship me or head for hell.” Am glad my life isn’t restricted to something or someone I can’t see or believe in. I’d find it hard to worship a “creator” who allows, if you will, the horrible events that happen in this world…and then demand that every Sunday (or Saturday afternoon after 4:00) praises are sung to him/her. Am I perfect? Most certainly not, but I answer to my conscience, my husband of 44 years, my family and friends. Occasionally Brigit. If I remember your creator gave humans free will. I’ve been exercising that for a long time. No worries.____As for Obama being elected? Best move in 8 long, long years. This country will finally be rid of the poorest excuse for a president this country has had in my life time…maybe since this country was founded. And that person claimed to be a “born again Christian”. Look where that got us? __BTW, many of your fellow Catholic had the smarts to vote Obama in, inspite of a few priests warning to the contrary. Actually, maybe since the RCC wants to direct voting, maybe they should start paying taxes. This election wasn’t about abortion….it was about the economy, and the war started by the soon to be out-of-office leader. The leaving leader is responsible for both. ______________



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Alba

posted November 16, 2008 at 8:36 pm


I believe that when govenment made same sex unions legal..it was the beginning of the end..and then to continue to allow same sex “marriage”, further proof that we are the “Wicked and Perverse Generation”. To sacraligiously deconstruct the very basic element that brings about “life”, is truly evil and it was downhill from there. However, let us remember that the gates of hell will not prevail., God’s laws, moral absolutes supercede state, earlthly laws and we true believer in God Almighty are all ready victorious because we have chosen Him …and He will protect His People, amen.



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dennis

posted November 16, 2008 at 8:37 pm


Rose, I read your line about why you voted for Obama. The Iraq war probably wasn’t a just war—under the 3 salients that determine a just war–and many people have died in the last 5 1/2 years. Yes, this is true. It is also true what John Paul told President Bush one week before the invasion in March, 2003: “Mr President, you will go down a road you will never be able to return from



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Daniel

posted November 16, 2008 at 9:00 pm


my understanding of Jesus’ thoughts:
Romans 12:17-21 (New Living Translation)
17 Never pay back evil with more evil. Do things in such a way that everyone can see you are honorable. 18 Do all that you can to live in peace with everyone.
19 Dear friends, never take revenge. Leave that to the righteous anger of God. For the Scriptures say,
“I will take revenge;
I will pay them back,”[a]
says the Lord.
20 Instead,
“If your enemies are hungry, feed them.
If they are thirsty, give them something to drink.
In doing this, you will heap
burning coals of shame on their heads.”[b]
21 Don’t let evil conquer you, but conquer evil by doing good.
Matthew 5:16
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
If the Church was still teaching this I’d be in attendance. Since they are not, I don’t wish to be a hypocrite. I follow the word of Jesus.



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Your Name

posted November 16, 2008 at 9:13 pm


Yes thousands have died in the Iraq war. but millions have been killed by abortion. -Just here in the U.S. Between 3 and 4 thousand die each day from surgical abortion and about I.2 million each tear. (But Obama plans to expand the war in Afghanistan, I’ve heard.) Abortion is not a solution to anything. The women need love and help, not the deaths of their babies, and abortion is what has messed up social security. A Government can’t kill that many potential workers and NOT do major harm to the work force.



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posted November 16, 2008 at 9:19 pm


This is just the kind of article that fuels all the death threats and evil thoughts against our president elect. I know he is pro choice but today at Mass our priest told us that no republican or democrat can change the law that has been in effect for abortion. THat has to come from each one of us raising and instructing our children in the knowledge that life is sacred. We have to be open and communicable with our children so that they can come to us if they have this choice to make. Each one of us who believe in life can make a difference to promote it not with hatred and condemnation and fear but with love and understanding to the people God puts in our path. God gave us a choice to choose Him and he is not a God who does not know sacrifice as he sacrificed His Son for all of us even those who are indifferent or not aware of Him! Please pray for our President and know that God allowed him in this place for a reason. Our God is still in control and does not want His children to fear but to trust! We are guilty if we pass on this fear and discord because that may be the match that lights hatred and discord that will ultimately end up in tragedy for our country!



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Bill2222

posted November 16, 2008 at 9:29 pm


God allow him to be President because of our free will just as our free will can cause us to fall from grace and into hell espically when one joins with a President that will kill unborn babbies.



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Your Name

posted November 16, 2008 at 10:00 pm


__Rose, after reading your comment on the war it’s true the war is open to discussion as to it being a just war.Althought many have been killed from our actions many also been saved.and millions liberated. In thoes few years we lost 4000. Contary to this we loose nearly 4000 babbies daily. Therefore once one weights this fact a vote for Obama is obviously a serious error to say the least in critical analyze.



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Your Name

posted November 16, 2008 at 10:15 pm


Comment on, “no republican or democrat can change the law that has been in effect for abortion. That has to come from each one of us raising and instructing our children in the knowledge that life is sacred.”
For the most part, I agree with this statement. However, there are factions in society that are aggressively working to contradict the teachings we give our children on the moralities concerning the sanctity of life and immoralities of sexual behavior outside of marriage (as created by God). So yes, we need to teach our children and protect them from those who would contradict our teachings with immoral morays. But we still need to aggressively speak out for the unborn and speak out against the immoralities of society that have historically been extremely influential in the demise of many empires throughout history.



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posted November 16, 2008 at 10:21 pm


Spirit & Life®
“The words I spoke to you are spirit and life.” (Jn 6:63)
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Volume 03, Number 41 | Friday, November 14, 2008
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Election Part I: “We Have No King But Caesar”
The following is the first of a three-part series on the 2008 Elections. In the next two weeks we will deal with issues of Culture and Conscience.
Now that the election is over, we can separate the real Catholics from those who just act the part. Those still reeling from the results of the election can rest assured that they are in good company with the saints. Those who have drawn a line in blood and made a decision to stand with the culture of death need a serious examination of conscience. Now look at what we’ve done to ourselves. America has made her “choice” for maximum leader and it is not pretty. In fact, it is one of the most devastating blows to American civilization that we have ever undergone, and I do not speak in hyperbole. Even such a saintly figure as Mother Theresa said that “a nation that kills its children has no future;” likewise, an authority like Fr. Benedict Groeschel recently commented that we have entered into “the beginning of the twilight” of our country—dire words that touch on the reality of electing the most extreme, pro-abortion candidate America has ever had the misfortune of occupying the highest office of our land.
This has happened before though. When the prophet Samuel complained to God that the people of Israel were asking for a king, the Lord God replied that they were not rejecting Samuel but were in actual fact rejecting God Himself, His sovereignty and His authority over them (cf. 1 Sam, ch. 8). He also told Samuel that the people would have to accept the consequences of their wicked desire, and as we know, the craven need to be like the surrounding pagan nations was a bitter pill for them to swallow. The people of Israel echoed that rejection of their God more than a thousand years later when the King of Kings and Lord of Lords stood before them in Herod’s derisive purple robe and the people shouted, this time with vehemence: “We have no king but Caesar!” In essence, we have chosen a Barabbas over Christ—again.
And choices have consequences they say. The consequences of this election will be imprinted upon our national conscience for years to come, one of which is that, by electing abortion extremists to rule over us, both in the Presidency and in the Congress, we have now lost the blessing promised in Psalm 41:1-4—“Happy those concerned for the lowly and the poor; when misfortune strikes, the Lord delivers them. The Lord keeps and preserves them, makes them happy in the land, and does not betray them to their enemies. The Lord sustains them on their sickbed.” It is hard for Americans to imagine that a land so consecrated could be shriven of that blessing. Yet, we have made our sickbed and we must lie in it.
This did not happen, though, without dire and prolonged warnings about the institutionalization of evil. We can’t say we were not warned. When moral persuasion about the killing of innocents did not work, rational science was our witness. When science was ignored and then co-opted for the works of death, AIDS and sexually transmitted diseases came to awaken people’s consciences, but these did little better. God then had to allow such an onslaught of terrorism, hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, wildfires, earthquakes and tsunamis in the past decade that He surely thought we would wake up to the deadly reality of the culture of death and repent. When that didn’t happen, He hit us in the most sensitive spot on the human body: our wallets. The gas price hikes and the recent financial meltdown surely would do the trick, He thought, but apparently that did not work either because our people adamantly refused to be deterred at any price from our lust for abortion and put into office all those who would serve the interests of this unholy agenda for decades to come. Alas, we all need to get on our knees and repent from the very depths of our hearts for the plague that we have just invited onto our beloved nation.
At the same time, my friends, despite the dismal picture, this is a time to thank Almighty God for the gifts of life, love and family that we have been given. It is also the time to seriously engage in efforts to take the culture back so that eventually our politics will follow the growth of a new pro-life culture from the seeds we are planting today.
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pagansister

posted November 16, 2008 at 10:25 pm


Such gloom and doom because Obama is our next president! One would think that abortion rights was the only thing in this world to be concerned about. It is such a personal decision and is really no ones business except the folks involved.
Personally, I’m much more concerned with the economy, getting some of the money the current administration has lost me and others, and I’m concerned with the war that should never have been in Iraq and the men and women soldiers from the U.S. dying for no reason as well as the women and children there, plus the mess in Iraq. More priority then worrying about women being entitled to control their bodies.



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Mary Kay

posted November 16, 2008 at 10:30 pm


My suggestion is to go to http://www.priestsforlife.com get Fr. Frank Pavone’s Theology of Abortion. It is very comprehensive Christian explanation as to why Christians can not vote for a pro-choice candidate.



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Alice

posted November 16, 2008 at 10:53 pm


YES President Obama does seem all to amazing to be true,but further information about himself,and his presidential plans have lead me to believe otherwise. From where i honestly, see it… hes a MONSTER!Not only does he want to give a woman her “choice,”but he wants to allow PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION,and thats just crewl,savage,unhumain,and wrong. This coming from the mouth of an orphaned teenage girl who had almost nothing to ofer herself. But when i made the bad choice of having unmairried sex,and got pregnent, i couldnt have an abortion! I thought this: If a person chooses to have sex, they should exept the consequences…not MURDER someone innocent. so been there…done that,and We must fear Obama,and PRAY!!



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william benefield

posted November 16, 2008 at 11:05 pm


I was recently sent the article abortion and rights to life. I could not agree more, but I believe that the total blame for this calamity fall totally with the Republican part. Here is my reasoning. In 1973, it was 5 REPUBLICAN Supreme Court Judges and 2 DEMOCRATIC judges that ordered the death of millions of babies in Roe v Wade. Only 2 Supreme Court Judges voted against Roe V Wade (1 Republican and 1 Democrat). So, in a sense, if a person voted for Nixon in 1968 or 1972, than all those people are responsible for the death of all those aborted babies, because Nixon nominated 4 of the Judges to the Supreme Court. Did this South Carolina priest vote for Nixon then, if he did, he is guilty by association.
I do have to give some credit to the Republican party for trying to fix their mistake since then, but in 2000 George Bush controlled the Presidency, the Republicans controlled the House of Representatives, and the US Senate. The majority of the US Supreme Court Judges in 2000 were nominated by Republicans. My question is this: Why did he Republicans NEVER bring up a case to the Supreme Court to overturn Roe v Wade???? George Bush had control over all 4 branches of government for 8 years, and never, never brought up a case, Why?
At the present time there are 7 out of the 9 US Supreme Court Judges that Republicans Presidents have put on the bench, and yet we still have Roe v Wade. Why?
Ford nominated 1, Reagan nominated 2, Bush Senior nominated 2, Clinton nominated 2, George W. Bush nominated 2 for a total of 9 Judges. Yet we still have legalized abortion.
I thought that you would like to see the hypocritical nature of the Republican Party. With all this focus on Barack Obama, I just wish more people know the truth about the Republican HPOCRITES. The only time they bring out the abortion issue is during the election season.



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John

posted November 17, 2008 at 12:05 am


Read the October 19th Blog Entry —
indefenseofthecross.blogspot.com/
Understand That the person who can see clearly on the obvious Life Issue has the wisdom to see clearly on all other issues. Without Life — Nothing else matters… including the economy!



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Tito Edwards

posted November 17, 2008 at 12:52 am


What a bunch of anti-Catholic bigotry that I read here on Beliefnet. All you all should be ashamed of yourselves for spreading calumny and vile hatred towards Catholics.
Surprising that some of this is coming from David Gibson. May you sir, Mr. Gibson, desire worldly respect over God and His Church.
Shame on all of you.



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ANNIE

posted November 17, 2008 at 12:56 am


Such Hypocrisy !!! I can’t believe i’m hearing this from a cardinal..
Maybe it’s just racism ?



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posted November 17, 2008 at 12:58 am


Rose at 7:54 PM
This topic is abortion, not war. War and abortion are NOT the same. You make a mistake of equivocation, which is a mistake in the art of logically arguing a point. You are basically saying abortion and war are equivalent.
Thye are not equivalent, because abortion involves the DELIBERATE, PLANNED act of the cold blooded killing of an unarmed, innocent human being. If civilians get killed in war by US bombs or troops, it is not a DELIBERATE, PLANNED act – they are not targeted to be killed, whereas babies in the womb are deliberately targeted and killed by the abortionist and his killing instruments.
So please stop discussing war in this blog – perhaps you want to take that up in another blog that addresses the question “when is war justified” (and consult the RCC Catechism on that topic for some enlightening answers). War has NOTHING to do with abortion – they are apples and oranges.



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Your Name

posted November 17, 2008 at 1:14 am


And another point – abortion is an INTRINSIC evil. INTRINSIC means no good can ever come from it. War is not necessarily an intrinsic evil since good might come out of it – ridding the world of Hitler’s Nazis was a good. Some good can come from ridding Iraq of Saddam Hussein and his sons.
So supporting someone (i.e. like voting for them) who supports an intrinsic evil like abortion is offering aid and cooperation to Satan. It is analogous to joining forces with Satan. Sounds horrible (and it is) but these are the facts, and they are indisputable. One cannot put a political party or a political candidate ahead of their allegiance to God – knowingly supporting a candidate who openly supports an intrinsic evil like abortion is the same as voting for the Devil’s candidate. This a canonically supported and logical fact. Wake up people and stand fast in your faith! Don’t be so easily led astray.



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Bill2222

posted November 17, 2008 at 3:43 am


__pagansister You have the proper name {pagan] that match your thoughts.__To quote”I’m much more concerned with the economy”Look it up that’s the same thing that Hitler emphasize while murdering Jews and others.People like you put money above God and God is life and so are His unborn children. Why are you so intent on killing. By the way it’s not a “personal decision” as you say it’s God’s child not yours. Yours is only the choice a God given free will to kill or not to kill. You did not create yourself anymore then the child in your womb.



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posted November 17, 2008 at 9:51 am


The poster who brought up the 1973 Supreme Court vote for legalizing abortion has a good point. 5 republicans voted in favor, creating the majority. For the past 8 years, President Bush did nothing to overturn Roe v Wade. Neither would John McCain if he had been elected. It is up to the faithful to continue to pray and bring this issue to light and try to influence the Court and the government to overturn it. As far as this election is concerned, the alternative to Barack Obama was frightening. Sarah Palin, although commendable in her example of pro life, was unequivocally not qualified for office in this complicated time. It was frightening to think of her dealing on the world stage, downright frightening. John McCain emphasizes the military solution and that is a frightening prospect also. We want to strive for PEACE, not more war. Obama is a thoughtful and highly intelligent person. The complexities we face after 8 years of truly awful leadership require someone with exceptinal abilities or we and our country will be lost. I feel safe now, and I have not felt this way for the past 8 years.



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Bob

posted November 17, 2008 at 10:16 am


I am fine with the substance of the lecture reported but must ask why the Vatican doesn’t start minding its own institutions here?
What do you suppose the “aggressive, disruptive, apocalyptic” one’s percentage was among the students and faculty of the nation’s “Catholic” universities?
The advancement of the Culture of Death is very real but is significant part it is the legacy of the Church not meeting its obligations of teaching and leading. Certainly clerical voices are now being heard and this is wonderful but they must understand the shameful role of the clergy – and Rome – in the situation now before us.



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posted November 17, 2008 at 10:44 am


ANNIE
November 17, 2008 12:56 AM
“Such Hypocrisy !!! I can’t believe i’m hearing this from a cardinal..
Maybe it’s just racism?”
Why do you think the Cardinal’s remarks constitute “hypocrisy”? Hypocrisy is defined as “a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess.” Cardinal Stafford is renowned in the Catholic Church as a man of integrity and personal holiness. He says what he truly believes and he lives what he believes. That is not hypocrisy, but authenticity. And since racism is a sin, his remarks were not motivated by prejudice, but by concern for the unborn babies whose lives are endangered more than ever now with Obama in the White House and pro-abortion politicians in the Congress.



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posted November 17, 2008 at 12:23 pm


When Catholics voted for President Bush I did not hear any U.S. priest, bishop or cardinal wring their hands or ask such Catholics to examine their conscience for voting for the invasion of another nation based on lies. I did not hear anyone do the same in voting for a president that supported torture. ____ More importantly, ‘The love of money is the root of all evil”. The love of money is the cause of the culture of death in western civilization. You have missed the mark, Cardinal, and you have missed the mark greatly. ____ Finally, because of priests, bishops and cardinals like yourself, who are so quick to judge Catholics who voted for Obama, you have divided my Catholic family and you are dividing the Church. Maybe you would like to excommunicate everyone who voted for Obama. ____Well, I’ll do you a favor, I am leaving the Church of religious hypocrites. You can take all of your particular fervor and see where it will take you. For me and my household we attempt to follow all the teachings of Jesus Christ and not some of them.____ And I will continue to pray for the Church that they wake up and seek to bring unity around all the teachings of Jesus Christ, otherwise we will all be judged. May God bring his truth, love and unity through



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posted November 17, 2008 at 12:40 pm


Thomas,
There is no moral equivalence between the misguided Bush policy to invade Iraq and the 50 million innocent lives lost through abortion. On the issue of abortion, there is no wiggle room, morally speaking, whereas Catholics may legitimately disagree about whether or not Bush should have invaded Iraq. Therefore, one could vote for Bush in 2004 without hand wringing and that is why you did not hear the bishops speak out against that. I, for one, do not advocate excommunicating everyone who voted for Obama, but I do think that Catholics must examine their moral reasoning for doing so very carefully.
You are right when you said, “The love of money is the cause of the culture of death in western civilization,” because it was the love of money that has kept the abortion industry so rich and powerful. It was also the love of money that got Obama elected in the sense that people cared more for their wallets than they did about protecting the unborn against greater slaughter. (I am referring to the Freedom of Choice Act which Obama has promised Planned Parenthood he will sign into law.)
I am not sure that I understood what you intended to say near the end of your post as it was cut off, but the Church of Christ is wide awake on the matter of abortion. The reason why Cardinal Stafford and others are speaking out is to do precisely what you suggested – “to bring unity around the teachings of Jesus Christ.” That is their prophetic vocation – to call Catholics to unity with the truth of Christ and His teachings. They are trying to get Catholics to understand and to accept the grave moral evil of abortion and how 54% of their vote for Obama has just helped the abortion industry to grow richer and more powerful with this abortion extremist in the White House.



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posted November 17, 2008 at 1:07 pm


Justin: Women are choosing to have abortions in western civilization for economic reasons in a culture that serves mammon rather than God. The Vatican has its share in the stock market and if they had any moral voice they would get out of the stock market. Usury is against the teachings of Jesus Christ and of the early Church and I do not hear anything against usury. Usury is what got us into this financial crisis… derivatives chasing derivatives of usury.____Justin: Our Catholic faith or Christian faith is a gift from God. Our understanding that abortion is wrong and the moral strength to resist abortion in our personal lives is a gift from God through Jesus Christ. “The law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ” We should not expect women who do not share our Christian faith to understand that abortion is wrong let alone to resist abortion. The solution to the end of abortion is the grace and truth of our Lord Jesus Christ. The solution to the end of all evil in western civilization is serving God rather than mammon.



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Tom

posted November 17, 2008 at 2:26 pm


“Finally, because of priests, bishops and cardinals like yourself, who are so quick to judge Catholics who voted for Obama, you have divided my Catholic family and you are dividing the Church.”
Was it not Jesus himself who said, “Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon the earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword. For I have come to set a man ‘against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law;
and one’s enemies will be those of his household.”
“Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and whoever does not take up his cross and follow after me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.” — Mathew 10;34-39
“We should not expect women who do not share our Christian faith to understand that abortion is wrong let alone to resist abortion.”
I disagree, as I was Christian before I was pro-life. The graphic reality of the procedure and the detrimental effect on society are ultimately what convinced me; theology had absolutely nothing to do with it. There’s any number of practical as well as scientific reasons to be adimately pro-life, as I’ve heard of pro-life atheists and pro-life agnostics as well.
I do admire you for leaving, as that is what those who don’t believe in Church teaching should do. I’d rather you stay and come to believe in the verasity of what the Church teaches, in spite of any hypocricy, real or imagined, that you may perceive to be happening within the Church. My family is divided on abortion, even though none voted for Obama, and I know how hard it can be.
I do wish you and your family well in your quest for the truth and your struggle to uphold Christian values.
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posted November 17, 2008 at 3:21 pm


For those who voted for Obama, here’s the effect: supreme court judges. You criticize George W. Bush and say that he didn’t do anything for life, but you are wrong. He held back govt funding for embryonic research, made partial birth abortions illegal, and eliminated funding for international abortion providers. It takes years to overturn the evil wrought by evil men, i.e., the democrats, the party of death. They/he will appoint liberal, pro-abortion judges in every level of govt. Soon, Catholic institutions will be forced to provide abortions or close. This is the effect of what you did when you went into the voting booth and not only voted for the most liberal man to ever run for president, but also to provide him a ticket to pass any bill/law, etc. unencumbered due to a near 60 seat majority in the senate. God bless Cardinal Francis Stafford and other bishops who have had the moral fortitude and courage to stand up for the truth. If you are not willing to abide by church teaching, there are many liberal-minded churches out there who would welcome you with open arms.



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thomas

posted November 17, 2008 at 3:44 pm


Tom: ____There is a differnce between personal beliefs and public policy.__I am against parents who feed their children junk food. We have an epidemic of chilhood diabetes and other diseases, consequently such children are dying from such a diet of junk food. Do I think we should outlaw junk food? No.____Those in my family are raising the sword against me and those within my family who voted for Obama, not I against my family who voted for McCain. Wars are being fought and those who voted for Bush, voted for a man who waged war against the Iraqi Christians who were caught in the crossfire of sectarian violence and American bombs. War, Tom, is a great evil and where are the peacemakers in the American Catholic heirachy?__ __Nevertheless, I appreciate your warm wishes. God bless.



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Mbuna

posted November 17, 2008 at 4:33 pm


Okay, I will speak my mind.
1. The Catholic Church’s foray into politics in this country is a further example of the philosophical, spiritual, and moral decay of this organization. It has gotten into politics because it no longer has the necessary spiritual connection and force to be otherwise. Therefore it is primarily a secular and political organization operating under the guise of a religious one. Not that there aren’t many profoundly and truly religious practitioners involved, but as an ORGANIZATION it’s primary concern is now more than ever, secular.
2. Abortion is not murder, period. But because Christianity is primarily exoteric these days no one is able to grasp (or even has an interest in) the subtleties involved in esoteric spiritual practice. Such esoteric spiritual practice is the real wisdom espoused by Jesus of Nazareth. Once one understands that the Bible is a result of ancient politics that stripped all mention of esoteric practice from the scripture, a different less childish view can be held. One can then start to see the similarities with other esoteric cultures and practices. Only then can one begin to understand the subtleties of birth and death.
3. The view of any religion that it itself has the exclusive and true view is itself pure heresy and is the naive residue of tribal cultures that still to this day refuse the modern reality. The absurdity of the Almighty being contained by the one true religion is lost in the secular exoteric narcissism of countless childish followers and their parental priesthood of crowd control. Yet so many of these religions would have you believe that God has forsaken countless millions. Nothing could be further from the truth.



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posted November 17, 2008 at 4:37 pm


I believe a person is judged by the way they live their life…not what they say. I belive with all my heart, that one who kills a baby, a child, directly or indirectly, is evil. Babies are totally dependent upon us, they have no voice, and apparently to right to live.____I do realize that people have made mistakes and have thrown themselves at the feet of Jesus for forgiveness. I belive that the woman who pushed for Roe vs. wade would undo what she has done if she could. She was on the news one time and the mainstream media never put her on again.____God bless all the babies, both born and unborn.



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DGF

posted November 17, 2008 at 5:12 pm


Why are the Magisterial Authorities so vicious in their criticisms of the democarats and Obama?
Well, perhaps it is vindictiveness. Remember during the Clinton administration, Clinton snubbed the Vatican for their inappropriate handling of the child molestation situation. Could it be that all of this hate rhetoric is nothing more than a pathetic and petty attempt at revenge under the veil of abortion?



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posted November 17, 2008 at 6:02 pm


Mbuba says “2. Abortion is not murder, period.”
Yes, it is murder. Murder is the taking of an innocent LIFE. All scientists agree LIFE begins at conception. So, it is the taking of a LIFE, according to the scientists, never mind the Church.



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posted November 17, 2008 at 6:10 pm


For those in the pro-death camp who insist the baby is not alive, I will stipulate (a legal term, meaning yield you that point) if and only if you stipulate that you can do nothing to that baby which you say is not alive. The mother will eat and lead her normal life. Let’s see it that baby in her womb is alive or not. If alive, it will grow and then after 9 months the mother’s body will “expel” it (which we call ‘giving birth’). If it is dead, as you say, then your not taking any action to interfere with the baby’s growth should have no effect since it is already dead.
Another way to see this point: if it is dead, as you claim, then why are you insisting on the legal right to take actions to kill him or her??
And if he or she is alive, then any action to kill him or her is of course murder by any legal or common sense definition.



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T. Tunstall

posted November 17, 2008 at 7:01 pm


Upon reading Cardinal Stafford’s screed, I had to re-check it to be sure I was not reading a 19th-century anti-American diatribe. The Vatican’s past hostility to liberty and pluralism–as represented by the United States–is, unfortunately, a matter of record. One had hoped that after Pope John XXIII and the Second Vatican Council this temper of mind had passed, never to return. Alas, no.
I can only recommend that U.S. Catholics entirely cease from contributing to the ‘Peter’s Pence’ collection and instead divert the money to their parish, or to charities (including their local chapter of ‘Birthright’), the more local and specific their mission the better.
While I did not see the lineaments of a reformer in Pope Benedict XVI, I was under the impression that the knout he formerly wielded had been discarded in favor of sweet reason when he took up his present office. Evidently not. I see no reason in faith or morals for the continued support by American Catholics of a papacy that has degenerated into a kind of oriental despotism, and that seems as fanatically hostile to their country as the Soviet Union was.



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posted November 17, 2008 at 7:25 pm


Pray, listen and feel. That’s how God talks to man. The privileged and educated don’t posses greater insight and understanding of God’s laws and God’s will. Jesus showed us how to commune with God. He didn’t come to earth as the great debater. He didn’t win arguments with his trivial knowledge, his debating skills and his mastery of language. Jesus showed man how to commune with God through humility, and acceptance and submission to God’s will. It’s perfect. No man is deprived of God’s love and wisdom, regardless of their education or social status.____God’s laws are absolute and they are not open for debate. The human argument is corrupt. We’ve corrupted it with our pride, our selfishness, our sin. There is absolutely no human argument for abortion.____Don’t try turn it into an argument. Just open your heart through humility, pray to God with sincerity and listen and feel. If we all could do this, there would be no debate.__



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posted November 17, 2008 at 8:47 pm


November 17, 2008 5:12 PM
Why are the Magisterial Authorities so vicious in their criticisms of the democarats and Obama?
Well, perhaps it is vindictiveness. Remember during the Clinton administration, Clinton snubbed the Vatican for their inappropriate handling of the child molestation situation. Could it be that all of this hate rhetoric is nothing more than a pathetic and petty attempt at revenge under the veil of abortion?
Please get a life. Can your really believe what you wrote here? Obviously, you have no understanding of the Catholic Church and her supernatural mission in this world. While the Church is made up of weak and sinful human beings, she is also guided by the Holy Spirit and this is especially true of the Pope and bishops in their prophetic vocation to evangelize the world. To suggest that Cardinal Stafford’s remarks are motivated by “vindictiveness” is just plain silly. He is esteemed within the Church as man of integrity and personal holiness.
I fear – but hope that I am wrong – that the Obama presidency will intensify not only the cultural war in America, but also the underlining spiritual warfare between Christ and Satan. I, for one, will stand with Holy Mother Church in her battle against malice, evil, and every form of falsehood – for which we have ample evidence in some of the posts here on this forum. So be it. Jesus warned us that we would be misunderstood and persecuted: “Know that if they have hated me, they will hate you also. (John 15:18) Fear not, for I have overcome the world!” (John 16:33)



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James Ferrel

posted November 17, 2008 at 8:47 pm


It is about time the church stands up to this insane culture of death. I hope the church continues to preach to it lay people. This is why people belong to the Catholic gaith not because of what some want to hear. Christians have been ridiculed for thier faith but in the end ithas what saved nations and the world.



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pagansister

posted November 17, 2008 at 9:05 pm


Bill2222:__Gold star for you… I’m glad you think if fits my thoughts. Otherewise,what would be the point?__Yes, the economy is important to me…I happen to like having a roof over my head and food to eat. Do you? ____Hitler? Give me a break? That has nothing to do with personal choice or the economy or now. Not even close. He gave no one choices. Remember, it wasn’t a democracy? It was called a dictatorship.____Note the word “pagan” in my name. Thus I don’t happen to believe in your divine being, or JC. You do and that’s fine. My free will means that I do as I please as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone else. And before you mention (yet again) that allowing abortion is murder, you know that I disagree. IMO the woman should be able to make up her mind before the end of the 3rd month, and go the whole term if she can’t. However, it is always up to the woman and not the government or a religious institution. As to who my children belong to…themselves now, they are wonderful, caring, loving, adults, with one married. However, they “belonged” to us originally to love and care for…and we did a great job. ________ __



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posted November 17, 2008 at 10:43 pm


Food for thought…Jesus always questioned the religious authorities and ignored the political authorities.
I suggest we follow His example.



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Bill2222

posted November 17, 2008 at 11:02 pm


Pagan time for school Adolf Hitler’s Germany are widely considered to be the two best examples of totalitarian regimes. Not dictorship. First it’s a scientific fact that life begins a conception.However for the simple minded like grass if it grews it’s alive. You state “My free will means that I do as I please as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone else.” Well I got news for you it does. American has serious problems of poverty, homeless,and discrimination, but no American are poorer are more discriminated against or more homeless then the aborted babies. Nameless,helpless,defenseless penniless,naked abandon by their own parents forced out of their unborn homes, forsaken by society,striped of all legal rights,label as subhuman,denied anesthesia, torture, murder ,denied sacramental baptism,discarder with the trash, denied descent burial, then totally forgotten.
If you’re going to vote for a man whose policies will result in the killing of an additional one million human beings, then by golly have the moral responsibility to take a good long look at what it is your vote will allow to happen. And it doesn’t take government or a religious institution to figure that out.
And, if you cannot bring yourself to look at these video, because something in your gut is telling you that what you will see will be too horrible for you to stomach, and will cause you to lose sleep at night, then how , can you vote for a man who is promising to visit this horror upon a million or more babies each year?!
http://www.unborn.info http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6152070479992487290



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posted November 17, 2008 at 11:51 pm


“IMO the woman should be able to make up her mind before the end of the 3rd month, and go the whole term if she can’t.”____In that case your not nearly as liberal as I thought, ‘pagan’sister.



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Phyllis

posted November 18, 2008 at 3:46 am


As Ronald Reagan said on September 22, 1980 in the NYTimes, “Funny how those who b elieve in abortion are alive to talk about it.”
I admire men who stand up for the rights of the unborn and haven’t been caught up in the lie that it is a women’s right to choose because it is her body. That precious baby s not her body, it is only placed there to nourish and grow. But 40,000,000 will only find that place a death chamber, dying a violent death..Even murderer’s on death row don’t die such horrible deaths!
Imagine if Stanley Ann Dunham Soetero had decided to abort, I wonder who would be our 44th president then…



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Mlovee

posted November 18, 2008 at 5:01 am


Let the angry words on both sides of the abortion debate be tempered with love for one another, remembering that a “kind word turns away wrath” (Proverbs). Let’s pray for understanding, healing and peace. What’s at stake here is lives: both that of the precious little ones who are lost each year to abortion and the mothers and fathers who experience intense suffering afterward, most of the time hidden away from the real world. Because “no man is an island…the death of one man diminishes me.”



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IronHammer

posted November 18, 2008 at 9:13 am


Liz: Time for school:
You are profoundly wrong when you say:
“Food for thought…Jesus always questioned the religious authorities and ignored the political authorities.”
In fact, Jesus through the New Testament teaches the Jews to obey the Pharisees and scribes.
“The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. So do whatever they tell you and follow it, but stop doing what they do, because they don’t do what they say.” (Matt 23:2-3)
And when it comes to obeying the authorities, He says this “Then give back to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” (Matt 22:21)
Be sure you know what you are talking about before posting next time! You could be leading a soul seriously astray! I am sure you wouldn’t want to be held accountable for that.



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posted November 18, 2008 at 11:29 am


Some of you abortion advocates have some serious problems, even on a purely natural level. If you want to disagree, perhaps you need to do some homework about when life begins. There are tons of problems in our country, and the root cause is divorice,contraception, and abortion. The opinion about who has a right to live is a sign of of a person who thinks that life is cheap. Poor souls, even you have a soul, and we need to beg the Good God for your conversion.__The saddest bit of news about our president-elect is that he says he would’nt want his own daughter to be burdened with an unwanted pregnacy, that means killing his own grandchild, heartless and diabolical. __I suppose death advocates think that’s just great. Women are suffering for their abortions, not only spiritually, but emotionally and physically. It’s actually safer for a woman to be pregnant and carry the child to term. Ever wonder why?__And guess what, we know 50,000,000 have been by legal abortion, we really don’t know how many children have been tossed into the latrine because of contrceptives. Not to mention the rise in hormonal induced cancers, breast and ovarian. __The law in this country is legal and at the same time unjust. So people of goodwill have to do what we can to over turn it. Just because a law makes something legal, it does’nt mean that it’s just. Like slavery.



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posted November 18, 2008 at 1:44 pm


Bill2222, did you really think the video was going to all of a sudden make me decide to be anti-choice? It didn’t. Yes, I watched every bit of the propaganda film. Your discription of the helpless, cold, etc. etc., that you wrote is also interesting propaganda. Am not going to debate Hitler’s form of government…it was what it was. The same things are now going on in some African countries. Another subject.____Fewer than 1% of abortions take place after 20 weeks and it is extremely rare after 26 weeks. Those are for extreme abnormalities in most cases or life of mother etc. Not just a random “Gee I think I’m tired of being pregnant.” ____Not that it makes a difference to your idea that life begins at conception, (as you pointed out was “scientific”), but in my unscientific opinion, the potential for life begins at conception. When one stops to think about it, the embryo & fetus are inside the woman with her permission. If it is the only solution to a situation then that permission ends, hopefully before the end of the 3rd month. __ __I know it is hard for some to understand, but women aren’t just “baby factories”. Basicly it is a woman’s inalienable right to terminate a pregnancy if she needs to, for more reasons than I will try to explain and wouldn’t be agreed with anyhow. Rape and incest being top reasons, but medical and others as well. I have not known any woman to have an abortion without careful contemplation over it. (yes, I’ce known some). It shouldn’t be a snap choice. It isn’t a pleasnant experience, but in some cases a necessary one. __Best solution to unwanted abortions is to not get pregnant to begin with. Sex education, birth control, availability of morning after pill all lead to fewer abortions. No sex is of course some folks answer to the situation, but is unrealistic in many cases. ____As Ayn Rand said: The living take predecence over the not-yet-living.”



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posted November 18, 2008 at 1:51 pm


Bill2222:
BTW, I proudly voted for President Elect Obama. As I have mentioned before, I don’t think Obama is going to be sitting in the Oval Office daily deciding what to do about abortion. This country and the world has big problems, and if he can get the economy here settled, there will probably be fewer abortions because the women will be able to feed and clothe a child or yet another child. Think about it. Jobs=money=food=fewer abortions.



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posted November 18, 2008 at 3:34 pm


to respond to pagansister(why would you want to be refered to as that I wonder?) Women arent baby factories, but they are designed to have babies.And in this country as well as most countries, sadly to say it is “legal” to kill one’s child. When you advise about sex education, that usually backfires, especially if plannedparenthood has their greedy noses in the education. Contraception is such a problmatic because it frustrates the biological point of intercourse from the get go. The woman’s body is not cut out for extra artificial hormones, and a couple of things happen. One of the saddest things that happens with contraceptives is an unknown abortion. Cancers are increased in those who use contraceptives.Cancers come about to those who have abortions too, they are doing something that is against their nature. Have you noticed how many contracepting and abortion women have breast cancer? Incredible, and the rates are rising, nothing safe there. __The economy is just that, and human lives a worth far more than economy. Plus, children do help a ailing economy, you don’t solve problems in the world by murdering children. __Barrack Hussein Obama won’t fix things up.



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Mary

posted November 18, 2008 at 4:33 pm


I could not vote for Obama. I wanted to, because I am a conservative Democrat, and my family is suffering financially, but I could not. We lost our home of ten years. My husband and I are like many in this country. We have to declare bankruptcy because we stacked up credit card bills trying to make our supersonic house payments. We no longer have the house, but we’ve got lots of credit card bills, which our creditors gleefully and silently jacked up to 35% when the payments went late. My husband has to work two very physically demanding jobs just to make our rent and have grocery money. I get to help him work one of the jobs. I still couldn’t vote for Obama. I don’t think he alone will bring ruin upon our country. I think we did that ourselves when we raised him on high and clamored for him. He has a fierce alliance with that foul and detestable organization Planned Parenthood, who I am sure helped fund his campaign. They are knocking on his door to collect, and we, this country and even the whole world, all get to pay that bill. We have all the right excuses: abortion is only one issue, they’ll never overturn Roe v Wade, what about rape, what about incest,…. The truth is, we would have no problem refusing to elect Obama if he’d proposed reinstating the Draft and launching nuclear war against Iran. If Obama said he would raise our taxes even another 2% and we’d also have to give 1/4 of our income to the government, he wouldn’t have been elected. The tragedy of this election lies within the hearts of the people. I could not help but remember Simeon’s prophecy to Our Blessed Mary about her Son, that because of him, many hearts would be revealed. That’s just what happened at this election.



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posted November 18, 2008 at 5:08 pm


“Your Name” (why would you want to be referred to as that? don’t you have a name?) 18 Nov. 1:51 PM:__You actually think a woman should have children or just continue to have children until she drops dead, because she is “designed” to do that??? Barefoot and pregnant? Amazing that in 2008 there are still some who think that. And sex education backfires? More than no knowledge, I assume you mean. Thank goodness for Planned Parenthood and the sex education classes in the RCC school I taught in. (as well as other educational and religious institutions). If the ed. keeps one or two girls from an unwanted pregnancy, it has done it’s job. ____You mentioned that artificial birth control causes cancer? So does eating too much red meat, but I’m not going to stop eating meat. Cancer comes about with a lot of things, not using contraceptions, using contraceptions, not having an abortion, having an abortion, smoking, not smoking, BBQing meat, not BBQing meat etc. Also, heard of condoms? No cancer threat AND no spreading of STD’s. 2 advantages rolled into one contraceptive. :o). And how many cancers are attributed to a diaphram? Yes, it is possible to not get pregnant thus no need to abort. And yet another problem with contraceptions is an unknown abortion?? Right. All in all, I get the impression you’re against any form of birth control. You’re choice…whether you’re male or female, “your name”. My choice? Not being continuously pregnant. 2 planned kids have been great. __”Contraception is such a problematic because it frustrates the biological point of intercourse from the get go.” Duh! That’s the point of birth control.____As to children helping the economy. The doctors get paid, the hospital gets paid, etc. maybe…or the taxpayers pay. The problem is if the mother can’t feed that child or buy it clothes. Perhaps the mother is an addict, or has an abusive boyfriend, not only her but the children too? Yes, definitely unwanted children help the economy!! We pay the police to arrest the abusive parent, or welfare agencies to take the kids away from the “parent” who is abusing it. __Is that child better off born to be abused? Think the woman who has a termination because she knows the situation she is in saves a child from a certain hell. Women have the right to be pregnant or not. They are not baby factories. __



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posted November 18, 2008 at 5:11 pm


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Wolfsoul

posted November 18, 2008 at 5:25 pm


Let’s get right down to brass tacks….how many more abortions are legal under Obama than under GW Bush? Uh….I think there is no change…just a bunch of mud slinging for nothing. In other words – there is no change from the abortion law under Bush to the abortion law under Obama…..



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Your Name

posted November 18, 2008 at 5:29 pm


Once again, the church I grew up in and was once very proud of has reared its’ ugly head and decided that the American Constitution, which very firmly affirms the separation of church and state can be derided and ridiculed because it does not agree with church doctrine. Attacking President Elect Obama because he is not willing to alter the Supreme Courts’ decision regarding Roe v. Wade shows once again why a very firm separation of government and religion is so necessary. If you do not believe in abortion don’t have one, educate our teens and young adults about proper birth control and sexual safety and correct church doctrine about birth control. Clean your’ own house before commenting on someone else’s.



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Wolfsoul

posted November 18, 2008 at 5:34 pm


Besides, the Catholic church with all of it’s pedophile priests, cardinals and the like have no business trying scorn politicians…look at yourselves holymen….start there.



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Joseph

posted November 18, 2008 at 5:57 pm


If a woman has the right to choose to do with her body, why don’t we protect the rights of the baby? If it’s simply part of the woman’s body, then does that mean a woman has four arms and legs? If it’s a male, does that mean she has a penis?
Also, rape and incest are among the top reasons for the millions of abortions since Roe v Wade? Are you sure it’s just not inconvenience?



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Andy

posted November 18, 2008 at 6:15 pm


I have wanted to put my thoughts to paper about the Church for sometime. Cardinal Stafford’s tirade finally hit the mark. His statement saying he was misunderstood is as foolish as the original homily. As a child I was destined for the Seminary. At the age of 11 I was denied registration to Catholic High School because my parents were separated. So I will say my opinion is somewhat bias.
At what point in history did the Catholic Church decide women are inferior to men. When did the church decide it has the right to tell women what they should or should not do with their bodies? For a group of men who swear abstinence unless of course it can be hidden, swept under the carpet or bought off you try to make the rules for a game your oath does not (supposable) allow you to play.
Your views of today’s world are obsolete, pre-historic, blind, dictorial and just plain wrong. Do you honestly believe all your parishioners follow and adhere to the churches policies on birth control and the 10 Commandments? Especially when they are cleansed of all sins at death. Taking a pill once a day is not that bad really, is it? Since it may prevent a child being born that cannot be fed, clothed, educated and loved. How many of the worlds countries can brag that the life expectancy of a child can be measured by days instead of years. All in the name of what, spiritual purity.
The empty silence in church today is deafening, and churchgoers are staying away in droves. Except for the radical right who believe the church is not going far enough. I believe the church should be totally separate from politics and not allowed to push their zealot opinions.
Your outdated beliefs are no longer relevant in today’s world. Adapt or become extinct.



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DGF

posted November 18, 2008 at 6:36 pm


One of the things I have a problem with is when someone distorts the truth. It doesnt matter, any distortion of the truth is a lie.
How can the Magisterial Authorities condemn the democratic party so hatefully and viciously when the statistics show very clearly, that under the Clinton Administration abortion rates decreased approx. 4%. Under Bush Jr Administration, only 1.5%. Substantial difference.
Under democratic administrations, abortions drop more than under republican administrations. Looks to me like the party of death is the one so many of the MA’s were trying to force us to vote for. Another lie? Looks that way to me?
What do you suppose is the truth? Well, under Clinton, during the height of the child molestation scandal, Clinton snubbed the Vatican for the pathetic and criminal way they handled it. It looks to me like this is more about payback and revenge than it is sincere concern for the general welfare of humanity.



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Dorella

posted November 18, 2008 at 6:41 pm


This is not simply a choice regarding a woman’s body. It involves another thoroughly innocent life that is murdered for the convenience of another. Since when has it been deemed ok to kill someone because they inconvenience you? How is this any different than a family member murdering a child or wife or husband or elder that they cannot fathom taking care of? It is a life that is snuffed out. Lack of respect for the sanctity of life is barbaric, as are the methods employed in the abortion process.



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Bobb

posted November 18, 2008 at 6:53 pm


Does the Catholic Church read the bible or just interpret it for their own benefit? What does the bible say about things that happen in the world? “Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.”__”All things work together for good to them that love GOD,” and finally, there is no power, but of God.” It would be nice to know that we can exchange opinions or disagree without attacking those who disagree. You would think the church knows this fact best…NOT!



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Jamel

posted November 18, 2008 at 6:55 pm


Should Roman Catholics be single issue voters? Both of these candidates supported issues in conflict with catholic doctrine. Should McCain supporters repent also?
McCain supports the death penalty for federal crimes. McCain says we should extend use of the death penalty and implement stricter penalties for violent felons. McCain supported legislation to prohibit the use of racial statistics in death penalty appeals and supports banning it for persons under eighteen.



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Charles

posted November 18, 2008 at 6:58 pm


Catholic Churches are empty in Europe. The Vatican seems to want to empty them here as well. Will any current American Cardinal acknowldge the separation of church and state? JFK was elected only after he said he would not the political dictates of the Vatican.
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Gomez

posted November 18, 2008 at 7:30 pm


Seems to me that the Denver Diocese settled a $5.5 million lawsuit for priest sexual misconduct (multiple counts of unreported and covered up child rape) while the good Cardinal was in charge. What a loser.



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Andy

posted November 18, 2008 at 7:33 pm


Dorella, since birth control prevents conception, hence there is no being so how can there be any killing.



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Your Name

posted November 18, 2008 at 7:46 pm


It is about time someone in a position of moral authority speaks out. The Cardinal’s words may be harsh, but we all need to be reminded that we are sinners and should turn away from sin and repent. It is our duty as Christians and other religions that hold the sanctity of life to speak out to those that are condoning the termination of human life. Who is to speak out for the unborn? Since, we all belong to God, and he is the author of life, he is the only one to decide and “choose” life or death. The government and especially one person should not have the power to determine that. This is God’s word that the Cardinal is trying to relay. If you do not hold the sanctity of life and dehumanize it (like abortion does), moral decline comes easy. Obama seems to be holding most of the immoral attitudes that are unbiblical. We all need to speak out. I guess most did not “vote the Bible.” As Gen. Douglas MacArthur once said: “History fails to record a single precedent in which nations subject to moral decay have not passed into political and economic decline. There has been either a spiritual awakening to overcome the moral lapse, or a progressive deterioration leading to ultimate national disaster.” We should support the Cardinal and all need to prayer for those in authority, so they can make Godly decisions.



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Joel

posted November 18, 2008 at 7:55 pm


Face facts. The church condemns birth control for the basic reason that without birth control there are more catholics. Whether or not their parents’ can afford to feed them. Read Leon Uris’ “Trinity.” See what happens when a man is denied the comfort of his wife because she can no longer have children! Pull your’ heads out of the sand. If the church would support birth control there would be NO abortion. FOOLS!



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Andy

posted November 18, 2008 at 8:00 pm


Cardinal Stafford a moral authority that’s stretching the truth to far. Where was your moral authority while priests in his Denver Diocese were abusing and destroying children. He turned his back on his flock and allowed it to continue. So let us be careful who we use as a Moral Authority.



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pagansister

posted November 18, 2008 at 8:52 pm


The Catholic teachers I worked with for 10 years teaching in a Catholic school had no more than 3 children. Does anyone actually think they were only using the Catholic’s version of birth control…the rhythm method or had stopped having intercourse? They use “artificial” means and have no problem with it. Most thinking Catholics aren’t waiting for Benny to say: “OK children, you can now use the pill, or a condom, or anything else you need to, to prevent conception. I, the great Benny said so.” That’s not going to happen because Benny and the RCC think having kids is part of the program and as many as possible. Wedding vows…”accept all children God gives them.” No. ____RCC needs to stay out of the government’s business and the government in this country allows women choice. The RCC doesn’t.



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posted November 18, 2008 at 9:02 pm


OF COURSE, SATAN HAS DEVELOPED SUCH A PLAN SO AS TO BE DEVIOUS AND SUBVERSIVE IN HIS ATTEMPT TO CREATE (AS IF HE COULD ACTUALLY CREAT ANYTHING)A WEDGE BETWEEN MEN IN ALL THEIR AFFAIRS. CONSIDERING ALL THE RECENT COMPARITIVE DAILY SIMILARITIES WITH THE HOLY WORD AND ACTUAL CURRENT EVENTS, ONE HAS BUT TO LOOK WITH A CRITICAL EYE TO SEE THE TRUTH IN THE REASON FOR IT ALL..TO WIT



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posted November 18, 2008 at 9:44 pm


Your Name, 18 Nov.9:02 PM:
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A Catholic

posted November 18, 2008 at 10:31 pm


Pagan,
A Catholic is someone who follows what the Catholic Church teaches. Both you and I know that Catholics using birth control are not following the teachings of the Church and just because they have “no problem” with it doesn’t make it right. About the Church stepping in on government territory, when can they step in? The Church stepped in with Hitler by protecting thousands of Jews. Tell me, pagan, were they wrong? Should Hitler have been allowed to continue? After all the government gave them the right to kill Jews as well as others.



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Lily

posted November 18, 2008 at 10:38 pm


Joel,
Are you saying that only Catholics get abortions? Because somehow you think that if the Church lowers her standards on the issue of life then everyone in the world will suddenly think that abortion is wrong and therefore they won’t have one. And you’re getting your religions mixed up. It’s the Mormans that won’t allow you to sleep with your wife unless she can have children.



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Your Name

posted November 18, 2008 at 10:43 pm


guys, why don’t you get the facts before you start messing with people’s faith?! The Church condems controception because it kills fetuses(children!) and it takes away the sacredness of sex and turns the man and woman into mere objects for the other’s pleasure. a child is a bond between them. people who preform fornication don’t want a bond because they don’t want to have to stay with that person. they just want the ‘fun now and then never see her again’ thing. so please get the facts before you star going against The Church and messing with people’s faith. it’s called The Catichisiem and Theology of the Body, so read um!!!



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Joseph

posted November 18, 2008 at 11:00 pm


Andy, I just want to say, that had you been around during those so called, “barbaric times” you would have believed whatever the majority believed. Way to go following the crowd. Baa. Oh well, that goes for the majority of abortion supporters. No real reasoning, just whatever the current trend is.



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pagansister

posted November 18, 2008 at 11:06 pm


A Catholic:__Hey, all I see is a Catholic couple using their brains when they use “artificial” birth control. Kids have to be fed & clothed as well as loved. Intelligent couples usually consider that when planning how many children they will have. The church is outdated in a lot of ways, IMO, which I won’t go into here. Lack of understanding when it comes to the need for something besides Catholic Roulette is just one. ____Anyhow, the Church needs to stay out of women’s lives when it comes to choice. I know that abortion is a “no-no” in the RCC and no one is forcing Catholic women to have one. The RCC has no business telling the government that women in general can’t have choice. That is always an individual decision. That is political. As to WWII? Hitler was killing men, women and children that were, before he took over, living, breathing human beings. I have no doubt that many Catholics (priests, bishops, “regular as well as “leaders) risked their own lives helping the Jews and others wanted by Hitler, As to whether Pius spoke out against Hitler’s treatment of the Jews is, as you probably know, controversial. Benny wants to make him a saint. Yes, the government of Germany under Hitler should have been condemed for it’s horrible practices, by all governments and religious organizations. That is not the same thing as telling the government that women can’t terminate a pregnancy. This country allow women to make up their minds on that subject. Not to have an abortion many times is based on religious belief (but not always). __



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Joseph

posted November 18, 2008 at 11:06 pm


Oh my gosh. No red herrings here guys. This isn’t about using a condom. If the sperm and the egg aren’t combining, then guess what, no conception. No problem there. Use a condom all you want if you and your wife choose not to have kids.



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A Catholic

posted November 18, 2008 at 11:39 pm


Pagan,
First of all both issues are with life. You say Hitler only killed living breathing humans. A fetus grows therefore it is alive, and last time I looked a fetus used oxygen. So now where are you going to make your distinction? So it is the same thing. Life is being terminated, and before you say that we don’t know when life begans remember that Hitler used the same argument. The Arian race was above the others, other races, such as the Jews, were below them- sub-human- if you will. So really he argued he wasn’t killing a human life. And you use the argument that no one is forcing these woman to have abortions. No one was forcing Hitler and his army to kill those people. Is it only wrong is force is used?



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posted November 19, 2008 at 12:21 am


Maybe this doesn’t even belong on this post, but I was totally shocked at how many Catholics supported Obama, completely ignoring his horrible stand on partial birth abortion. It’s like everyone just closed their eyes to this part of his short political career. He’s made very high promises to Planned Parenthood and has skirted the issue when confronted on his voting recorded concerning partial birth abortion. __I understand the large gray area this subject has. I have nothing but complete and total compassion for anyone at any age who is faced with the pregnancy/abortion dilemma. But the area of partial birth is completely different and totally hideous! I’m just at a loss as to why so many in my particular Catholic “community” decided to ignore this about Obama. His “present” votes totally exceeded any concrete decisions, yet the one area he had definite votes was on partial birth abortion. I truly think this says something about an individual.



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posted November 19, 2008 at 4:28 am


There is a big difference in what Hitler did and in having a president who is pro choice. Hitler did not give the people a choice he gassed, slaughtered and killed people. God does give us a choice whether to sin or not. He gives us free will. We make the choice. We will never stop abortion whether we outlaw it or not. Making it illegal just makes it go underground. Ultimately it is a persons choice to sin or not. What we can do is try to teach our own children the value of life in our own homes so that they make the right choice. Each one of us can do that! We should educate people on the value of life at conception and make it mandatory that people be educated in this before they have their abortion. Outlawing it will not stop it! And spreading hatred and fear about our new president elect is sowing seeds of hate and and in this day and age of internet e mail and the spoken word through the media that speeds throughout the world in an instant, each one of us have the ability of possibly spreading that seed of hate that may spark someone to assinate him! We should watch what we say and do in this regard. He is our new president and we owe him our prayers and support. No president whether republican or democrat has overturned the abortion law. It is wrong but we have to stop using it as a tool to spread division. We can work each in our own way to stop it by how we live our lives and we can influence people against it each in our own way. The division against Obama is basically racial and they are using everything they can to make us afraid of him. He is a good husband and father and family man and I like his common sense and I do not think when he talks his words do not bring me a feeling he is evil! I have never heard him say he is for killing babies he is pro choice! Ultimately each one of us has the final choice!



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posted November 19, 2008 at 7:40 am


“We will never stop abortion whether we outlaw it or not.” We will never stop murder or rape or (insert any crime against humanity here), but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be against the law. And making it illegal will certainly prevent SOME abortions, probably many. ….”make it mandatory that people be educated in this before they have their abortion.” Great idea – do you think this administration will go along with it? Sounds like something that would have to be imposed, you know, like FORCED on some people. I thought that was verboten?”…that may spark someone to assinate him!” I’m sorry, I know I misspell words myself, but I couldn’t resist. I think he’s done a good job of assinating himself already. “No president whether republican or democrat has overturned the abortion law.” Republicans have attempted to appoint Supreme Court judges who recognize Roe v. Wade for what it is – the Dred Scott decision of our times.”The division against Obama is basically racial and they are using everything they can to make us afraid of him.” No to the racial part, and just who are “they” anyways? I agree we need to pray for our prez (our sitting one), and our prez-elect. In thanksgiving for the service of one, and for the conversion of the other.



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manny buendia

posted November 19, 2008 at 11:02 am


The right to comment on politics goes hand-in-hand with the duty to pay taxes. Would this righteous “Prince of the Church” be willing to pay property taxes on all Church properties in the U.S. as well as the income generated by his organization from the misguided flock that still contributes to it?
In all honestly, all this idiot probably needs is to get laid and let off some steam in a normal way.



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Joseph P.

posted November 19, 2008 at 12:01 pm


Unborn children have brain wave activity as early as 5 weeks after gestation. Nobody every discusses this very old German research.



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Art 5

posted November 19, 2008 at 12:35 pm


I am MOST dismayed. More than half of the Roman Catholics in this country voted for Obama. Pelosi and Kennedy are Roman Catholics. They ALL support wholesale abortion – at any cost for any reason. The sanctity of life is lost, forgotten, tossed aside by the Roman Catholics in America. And they so easily toss this aside, then they’ll easily toss ANYTHING aside. I for one believe half the Catholics in this country are evil and hypocritical and perhaps this is a direct result of the failing leadership of the Catholic Church in America, I don’t know. What I do know is that I’ve left the American Catholic Church (I have NOT left Jesus) – it’s members are hypocrites and it’s leaders are absent (or worse with the recent sex scandals). I have heard many Priests support Obama too. That makes me sick.



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posted November 19, 2008 at 12:56 pm


Most of you need to do more research into your positions because you are parroting the New World Order/Masonic propaganda and don’t even know it.____There is no obligation to pay taxes, regardless of what the IRS says. (I pay because I cannot afford the legal fees to fight them.)Personal taxes are unconstitutional. Please look up Devvy Kidd’s and Edwin Viera’s research on this matter.____Free speech is a God-given right. No government has the right to restrict it, except when it is immoral (traditional morality, not situational). ____One does not have the right to be wrong. One has the freedom to sin, but I would scarcely call it a right. Sin is spiritual suicide.____If the Church had not dropped the SOLE purpose of marriage as procreation, they wouldn’t be in this mess now. Sex is for procreation, not recreation, and as long as it is used as recreation the issue of unwanted pregnancy will persist. Procreation presumes love between the parties in their cooperation with God in this act of creation.____I am amazed when love-starved, testosterone-depleted metrosexuals assume the answer to every crisis is fornication. How shallow, narcissitic and self-serving!____Martin Luther King, Jr., once said that he would welcome the day when a man was elected president because of his character, not the color of his skin. Unfortunately, it appears the next occupant of the White House was elected because of the color of his skin. His character is inherently immoral – even worse than some of our most recent presidents. …Until you can show me a genuine birth certificate, signed by a physician and showing the hospital, I have to accept the man is a liar and one of the biggest frauds perpetrated on the American people.____The federal government has no business sticking its nose into this abortion matter for any reason. It is a matter properly reserved to the states. Since most states would oppose it, the life-haters had to create a bogus case to put before the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court should have declined to hear the case because it has nothing whatever to do with the Fourth Amendment. ____Abortion is diabolical and those who promote it, in any form, are in league with evil. We call down the wrath of God by permitting it. As a nation, our hands are covered in the blood of innocents.____Thank God there is at least one Cardinal with the courage to speak the truth as Christ commands.____________



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pete

posted November 19, 2008 at 1:22 pm


THE VATICAN IS TOXIC.



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JOHANN DOHMANN

posted November 19, 2008 at 2:33 pm


WHERE WAS THIS CARDINAL TWO YEARS AGO? WHY WASNT HE ON THE ROAD TELLING THE PEOPLE WHAT HE HAS SAID IN THIS NEWS STORY?____WHAT GOOD IS IT TO SPOUT OUT THIS BLATHER NOW? WHEN THE CASE IS CLOSED.____JOHANN DOHMANN,USA



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chris

posted November 19, 2008 at 4:41 pm


Johann,
I was at this lecture. I also attended the conference and heard from the Cardinal on other occasions speak to these issues. It would be difficult to describe how profound his thoughts where on these and other matters and how long and seriously he’s thought about them and has worked to deal with them. My only question to you is have you looked into where the Cardinal was two years ago? Have you looked into what he’s said before in even more public forums and writings? Had you ever paid any attention to the Cardinal’s work before now? The only reason you’ve heard about this particular statement is because somebody read and copied an article in an obscure campus newspaper. I would suggest that if you did look into it, you would find that the good Cardinal has courageously taken strong positions in the past and has taken more than one beating for them for the sake of the one to whom he has given his life to. It is the Cardinal himself who is, and has been for a long time, “sick because of love”.
The good of speaking of these things now, and in the context within which he spoke them (i.e. at an academic conference of the John Paul II Institute at CUA and not at a press conference or other more public forum) was to THINK seriously about what is at stake in the historical circumstances in which we find ourselves from within the Catholic Tradition. I cannot stress too strongly that the Cardinal’s purpose is not to manipulate public sentiment in order to pass some political agenda. Such a purpose is far too shortsighted given the depth of the philosophical and even theological roots of the problem we face. His purpose was to consider the MEANING of the expression of public sentiment that we’ve experienced over the last weeks, months, years, decades and centuries of American history. Indeed that was the point of the whole conference, to try to understand the meaning of things in order that any response might be adequate to the situation as it is in reality. In other words, the conversion that is required that will be adequate to the crisis we face in this concrete historical circumstance is many many times more profound than a shift from the democratic to the republican ticket or from liberal to conservative politics. In still other words, the Cardinals speech was not in the first instance a critique of the radical nature Obama’s anti-life platform, but the significance of the fact that such a platform could win the day. It means that we are in much greater trouble that we thought, and the response is going to have to be a much more serious and radical lived witness to the Christian faith. Jesus did not weep in the garden because the world had become a really depressing place, but because the world was about to kill him. Jesus’ agony is the concrete experience of that violence against the love for the world that constitutes who He is in His incarnation. It is a personal violence against him which he accepts and endures freely, mysteriously, for our sake which gives us our only basis of hope. Unless we are ready to face and accept such violence, unless we are ready to enter the garden with Christ out of a profound love for the world, unless we become sick at the depths of our being because of love, we will have no effect against the evil of our day. On the contrary we cannot but help be complicit in it. This, I think, is the Cardinal’s point, and the good of talking about it now “after the fact”. And I am compelled to think he is correct.



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Joel

posted November 19, 2008 at 6:00 pm


Hi Lily,
Sorry, sex is for procreation, period. Better check your’ doctrine. Otherwise priests would not be celebate and advising couples on sexual matters. Hmmm, check your’ 4th century history. There were women popes in the first 3 centuries of the church and priests where allowed to marry. At the same time the gnostic gospels where made heretic women where banned from the priesthood. Read Trinity.
Abortions should not be illegal simply for the fact that if they where girls would be dieing in dirty back alleys. Love first, doctrine later.



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Michael

posted November 19, 2008 at 6:25 pm


Pagan Sister
If I go by your logic then we should still have slavery and most of the jews would be dead. If we took the attitude that it his your choice to own a slave and if you do not want to then don’t. where would we be. If Hitler were allowed the choice of killig jews where would we be. What of the defenseless babies right of choice. What so you think they would chose.
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pagansister

posted November 19, 2008 at 7:17 pm


Michael,__”If I go by your logic then we should still have slavery and most jews would be dead……etc. etc. etc. ” WHAT don’t you understand? You’re responce didn’t make sense to me. __



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posted November 19, 2008 at 7:23 pm


Wolfesoul:
Great points in your Nov. 18 at 5:25 PM and 5:34 PM.



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Your Name

posted November 19, 2008 at 9:22 pm


“Abortions should not be illegal simply for the fact that if they where girls would be dieing in dirty back alleys. Love first, doctrine later.”Girls, and boys are dying in epidemic proportions from legal abortions. Where’s the love?



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Your Name

posted November 19, 2008 at 10:01 pm


Nowhere else in our society is it okay to harm (or kill) someone in order to allow someone else to avoid a difficult or painful situation. I will never understand the logic of killing a child as a way to “show love” for its mother.



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His Messenger

posted November 20, 2008 at 3:38 am


Jesus in the garden of Gethsemane: it revealed His moment of humanity – of that which He was about to face (flagellation, humiliation, being spat upon, mocked, tortured, crucified) being SO HORRIFYING TO HIM that He SWEAT BLOOD, while asking the Father to take if from Him if possible – but then “NOT MY WILL BUT YOURS BE DONE”. (That garden was also the place revealing His submission, obedience, and holiness – on His face before His Father, the place where they communed (NOT THE ONLY PLACE – IT WILL ALWAYS SYMBOLIZE HIS HUMANITY AND DIVINITY – Christ as man, Christ as Son of God)). It (Gethsemane) was the moment His humanity revealed itself (fear) AND then the VICTORY OVER THAT FEAR. We as believers MUST HAVE OUR MOMENT IN THE GARDEN (often more than one) of allowing our flesh to die in the face of all the Father is asking of us for His glory…ON OUR FACES in total submission, obedience, surrender. The Lord has said that this is not blasphemy (the comment by the Catholic Cardinal)- what he MEANT is that until we submit to that degree (as did Jesus) we are no where near ready for our appointed appointment. He is saying, therefore, is that America is facing SERIOUS PERSECUTION, DESTRUCTION, JUDGMENT at the hands of Obama’s government and appointment – and our position, as long as he is in office, will be one of crying out to God on our faces, that He might strengthen us for that which is about to come.



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His Messenger

posted November 20, 2008 at 3:43 am


TO CLARIFY – I posted the quote by the Cardinal on MySpace, and someone said it was blasphemy (comparing America’s future to Jesus’ time in the garden) – therefore it was included in the above post – and would not make sense out of context.



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Charles

posted November 20, 2008 at 8:52 am


Any society that has to debate the sanctity of life is a society that is going to abort itself. We don’t have long before that happens.



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BobbieJo

posted November 20, 2008 at 9:48 am


I am sick with grief myself knowing precious little ones will be murdered. Why why why is this happening to this once great nation that had morals?
Sin is rampant and people are blind to the truth.
I really think this is the end days. Look up profile of an antichrist on google video. Wake up people and whatever happens, do NOT take a microchip implant. God help us all.



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pagansister

posted November 20, 2008 at 12:22 pm


Am so glad that I have an optimistic outlook on life and not the gloom, doom, all going to hell in a hand basket outlook. End of days? Sure…and the moon is made of green cheese. How many centuries have folks been saying that? Also glad I don’t depend on an invisible being for help. People help themselves or as some Bible believers say “God helps those who help themselves.” So don’t sit and do nothing. Thought being a “believer” was supposed to make one “happy”.



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DGF

posted November 20, 2008 at 3:42 pm


Havent you wondered why so many of the Bishops were so vicious in their attacks on Obama? Why where they were so intent on focusing our attention on one issue to the exclusion of everything else?
The answer to that is revealed in an article by John Dear titled: The Pentagon hosts a dinner for the U.S. bishops. In that article, John writes:
– “The Pentagon had bought the bishops off”.
The rhetoric against Obama is a smoke screen, nothing more. A smoke screen to hide the corruption of many of the US Bishops from the laity.
The rhetoric about the abortion issue, no different. A smoke screen so that we in the laity will not find out that the Bush Administration owns the loyalties of many if not most of the bishops in the Catholic Church.
This new piece of information explains a lot. No wonder they behaved in the hateful and vicious ways they did before, during and after the election.
The more light the Holy Spirit shines on the Magisterial Authorities, the more clearly we see that there really is no difference between them and the scribes and pharisees of Jesus time.
How can we claim to be the “ONE TRUE CHURCH” when there is so much corruption within all levels of the heirarchy. Corruption that is in flagrant oppostion to ALL of Christ’s teachings?
Would Jesus have created a church that is built on deceit.
Would Jesus have created a church that is built on corruption.
Would Jesus have created a church that led by unrepentant criminals.



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pagansister

posted November 20, 2008 at 4:08 pm


Gee! If the above is true, DGF, it just proves that the lovely leaders of the “ONE TRUE CHURCH” have once again been proven to be just plain people, with the potential to be as corrupt as anyone else, and certainly not special. Climbing over bodies to get to the top is true in church as well as in secular business. However I find the idea that the church even thinks they are that special very arrogant! There is not just one church ….there are many and all are, to their followers, THE church. ____As to what JC would have created? Who knows?



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posted November 20, 2008 at 6:07 pm


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Joseph

posted November 20, 2008 at 6:28 pm


God is all about people having sex. Read Song of Solomon. He just sets guidelines, like saving sex for married couples. The rules are there so that people can enjoy sex in the way it was intended.
As to what kind of church Jesus created, well it was the one that believed that He is the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but by Him. We can differ on a lot of the things as Christians, but that is a fundamental belief. I have to believe Christ died for my sins to be a Christian. I welcome all my brothers and sisters in other denominations.
And pagansister is right about our outlooks as Christians. We should have joy. We are all fallen people, redeemed by the grace of God. Christians are just beggars who have found bread. I am not saved by my works, but by grace alone.



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posted November 21, 2008 at 3:05 am


____I would like to know if Stafford was as equally outraged and outspoken__about the vile behaviour of his fellow pedophiliac priest. Maybe he __should focus on seeking justice for children whose childhoods have been stolen and families destroyed because of their heinous crimes.



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Considering how much Obama has strayed from the teaching in the Bible, he fits the description provided by the apostle Paul in his second letter to Timothy. Paul says “men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.” Obama’s position on abortion, homosexuality and other issues (and his own mocking of the Bible), fits the description. And Pauls calls these people “evil men and impostors.”
Spurgeon wrote “It were a sad dishonour to a child of God to be the world’s favourite. It is a very ill omen to hear a wicked world clap its hands and shout ‘Well done’ to the Christian man.”



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