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Wheaton Alumni Rally around Gay Students

By ADELLE M. BANKS
c. 2011 Religion News Service

(RNS) Gay and supportive alumni of Wheaton College have formed a new organization following a recent chapel series at the flagship evangelical school on “Sexuality and Wholeness.”

More than 400 signatories have signed an open letter to students at the Christian college in suburban Chicago to present an alternative message to one from a chapel speaker who supports gay celibacy.

“The recent chapel message on Sexuality and Wholeness and surrounding conversations may have left you feeling alienated, ashamed and afraid,” reads the open letter. “Many of us felt trapped and unable to respond honestly to these messages while we were students.”

Matthew Gore, a spokesman for OneWheaton and a 2004 Wheaton alumnus, said the group wants gay and lesbian students at the school to know that they have support among gay alumni.

“As it is, most of those students would be afraid to talk to anybody,” he said. “That’s just the environment there.”

In an emailed response to the letter, Wheaton President Philip Ryken told students that the school considers gay people members “of the human family as created in the image of God himself,” but remains committed to its covenant that condemns homosexual behavior.

“Many have experienced insensitive or callous responses in this community, for which we repent and seek forgiveness,” he wrote, adding the school condemns violence and injustice toward gays.

Wheaton spokeswoman LaTonya Taylor said the recent chapel series addressed pornography and abstinence and included a sermon from Wheaton alumnus Wesley Hill, author of “Washed and Waiting,” who “spoke from the perspective of a Christian who experiences same-sex attraction but has chosen to pursue celibacy.”



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pagansister

posted May 4, 2011 at 6:37 pm


Good news indeed. Christianity at it’s best.



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nnmns

posted May 4, 2011 at 11:28 pm


Probably so. Too bad it’s only a step above what we should all expect of ourselves. Support the underdog. Here it’s doing it publicly.

Still apparently no-one at Wheaton is advocating they have to undergo “cures” or worse.



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cknuck

posted May 4, 2011 at 11:45 pm


homosexuality is hardly in God’s image that’s just bad information not compassion. Compassion includes the truth.



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nnmns

posted May 5, 2011 at 4:57 am


So many people think they know the truth but they disagree. You think you know the truth and happily a lot of people are sure you’re wrong.

Compassion goes a long way toward helping people. Hate goes a long way toward hurting people, including the haters.



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Georgia Dude

posted May 5, 2011 at 7:24 am


Gay celibacy? What about straight celibacy? Gay clergies are told to reframe from the pleasures of life(sex). Does that mean heterosexuals should reframe from the pleasures of life (sex)? I believe in being fair on this issue.



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Henrietta22

posted May 5, 2011 at 11:53 am


Writer, Wesley Hill, (alumnus of Wheaton) is gay and refraining from same-sex attraction. His book is called, “Washed and Waiting”. The title is self-explanatory. It’s good that there are enough students who understand who they are and are trying to help each other. When they have a President of the College who knows that they need to seek forgiveness for their actions towards gays, as he calls them, but still condems the fact that homosexuality exists in Gods Children and their U. Covenant will not accept homosexuality that sounds like a very-mixed up University trying to teach these students. It also sounds as though they must have to pray every day around the clock for their own forgiveness from God. When science vs religion to this degree it’s very sad.



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cknuck

posted May 5, 2011 at 9:07 pm


nnmns if Christians followed atheists like you then we would be truly lost I don’t tell atheist how to be atheist but you insist on defining Christianity. Speaking up about the practice of homosexuality is not hate, it can be done in love.
H22 what science against religion? Homosexuality is a practice not a species, not a gender, not a race there is not identifying factors to prove different, it’s not hereditary, there is not DNA or gene or hormone bone structure identifiers. Even a person called a transsexual is never really transformed to another sex. Homosexuality which encompasses all of GBLT lifestyles is only a practice of different sexuality. Compassion science and compassion religious does not have to include falsehoods, and it can still be compassionate.



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Grumpy Old Person

posted May 6, 2011 at 11:30 am


I don’t tell atheist how to be atheist but you insist on defining Christianity.”

nmns did no such thing. Stop bearing false witness.

“Speaking up about the practice of homosexuality is not hate, it can be done in love.”

We have yet to see you do it.



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Grumpy Old Person

posted May 6, 2011 at 11:36 am


“Homosexuality is a practice “

Obviously you have not read the article.

“Wesley Hill, author of “Washed and Waiting,” who “spoke from the perspective of a Christian who experiences same-sex attraction but has chosen to pursue celibacy.”

I.E. He is NOT “practising” – but he is STILL a homosexual, a person attracted to others of the same gender. Evidently (not that evidence means that much to haters) homosexuality is merely the state of being attracted to others of the same gender – whether they “practice” or already have it down pat and subsequently choose to “pursue” NOT acting on it. (Too bad it isn’t clear how ‘successful’ he is in his ‘pursuit’.)



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Henrietta22

posted May 6, 2011 at 6:29 pm


Ck, homosexuality belongs to human beings just as heterosexuality does. Researchers have found it does indeed follow in families, even in families connected who do not know each other. They are working on the hormone connection in peoples genetics and physiology. It happens in animals, as well, and is as natural to them as it is to mankind. Commonsense will tell you animals do not practise anything they do what comes naturally.



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cknuck

posted May 6, 2011 at 8:11 pm


H22, animals do a lot of things I don’t care to do, so are you advising folk to do what animals do? That would make interesting greetings. lol. As much money that is poured into homosexual research H, if there were a gene or a hormone or DNA evidence it would have been found. No there is no heritable homosexuality any more than homosexual activity can produce offspring. grump I don’t know what reality you are in but when a non-Christian spends all of his time critiquing Christianity and is so focused on and obsessed with Christianity then nnmns is tremendously obsessed with controlling Christianity, but as long as he supports your homosexual agenda you will support his activities against Christians. The Truth.



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pagansister

posted May 6, 2011 at 8:56 pm


“if there were a gene or a hormone or DNA evidence it would have been found”. cknuck
Not necessarily, cknuck. Look how long it took to just find a polio vaccine, or measles vaccine, or smallpox vaccine, human DNA etc. We humans are a presistant group and don’t stop until answers are found—-So your statement that the above would have been found is not accurate.



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Mordred08

posted May 7, 2011 at 7:41 am


Dr. cknuck, Internet geneticist
“No there is no heritable homosexuality any more than homosexual activity can produce offspring.”

You do realize that gay people have children sometimes, don’t you? Usually the ones who try to turn straight to avoid being treated like a damn criminal. So it’s very possible for them to pass on their genes.

“Homosexuality which encompasses all of GBLT lifestyles”

Uh…no. Let me break it down for you:
G(gay) refers to homosexuals (people attracted to the same sex).
L(lesbian) refers to homosexual women (why they need their own letter I don’t know).
B(bisexual) refers to people attracted to people of either sex.
T(transgender) refers to people whose gender identity doesn’t match their physical sex.

We’re not the same, but we often get lumped together anyway by ignorant people, so why not band together against a common enemy?

“…when a non-Christian spends all of his time critiquing Christianity and is so focused on and obsessed with Christianity…”

“But I can be obsessed with non-Christians and their personal lives all I want. Hypocrisy? What’s that?”

Christianity is something to focus on, considering how much of an effect (usual negative these days) it has on our society.



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cknuck

posted May 7, 2011 at 4:24 pm


Mordred your break down simply confirms that homosexuality encompasses all of the above deviations from normal sexuality.



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pagansister

posted May 7, 2011 at 8:45 pm


Define “normal” cknuck? I expect you’ll repeat the “God’s plan for male & female” etc. Well, since that divine creator made everything and everyone, according to the Holy Christian book AKA the Bible, just how can he or she have made any mistakes? You’re basically saying that those who love a person of the same gender were God’s mistakes, huh? That would be how I would interpret it. Well, just like male/female is “normal” for some, m/m and f/f is “normal” for others. What the hell is wrong with that? Your God goofed?



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Henrietta22

posted May 8, 2011 at 12:50 pm


PS, my God never goofs.

Happy Mother’s Day Pagansister, and to all other Mother’s reading this!



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Mordred08

posted May 8, 2011 at 1:37 pm


“‘Many have experienced insensitive or callous responses in this community, for which we repent and seek forgiveness,’ he wrote, adding the school condemns violence and injustice toward gays.”

It’s a good thing to see homophobes recognize their bad behavior as being just that. But much more needs to be done. The Red Letters blog on this site has an article about the disgusting phenomenon of “corrective rape” in South Africa. Like the blogger says, regardless of what you think of LGBTs, this is pure evil. We need to see more of these “compassionate” people speaking out against the violence towards our kind, rather than portraying us as somehow deserving this savagery.



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cknuck

posted May 8, 2011 at 7:32 pm


pagan I am more than sure you know what is normal.

mordred there is a lot of senseless violence because it is against homosexuals should be the only reason to take note?



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Brian

posted May 8, 2011 at 7:41 pm


God does not make mistakes. Homosexuality is a result of our sinful fallen world. We did that, not God. Also, if homosexuality can be proven to be natural, what about men attracted to little kids? Maybe that is simply natural and hereditary.



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cknuck

posted May 8, 2011 at 9:52 pm


very good points Brian



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Mordred08

posted May 8, 2011 at 11:12 pm


cknuck, I’m sure you’ll be happy to use that as an excuse to ignore it. Clearly in your opinion, we deserve to be assaulted and murdered, being so perverted and all.

Brian, how is a relationship between two consenting adults in any way related to a relationship between an adult and a child who legally can not give consent?



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cknuck

posted May 9, 2011 at 8:21 pm


mordred it is interesting that you go to such extremes in conversations about homosexuality, very telling, very interesting.



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Wataru

posted May 10, 2011 at 1:27 am


How does thinking that gay is un-natural equal to assault and murder? There are plenty of people who act un-naturally to you, but you would not think of assaulting or murdering them.



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Mordred08

posted May 12, 2011 at 12:19 am


Wataru: “How does thinking that gay is un-natural equal to assault and murder?”

That’s a good question. What is it about gay people that drives other people to commit violence against them? I wish I knew the answer.



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Grumpy Old Person

posted May 12, 2011 at 12:42 pm


WE are discussing consenting adult behaviour. Brian and ck talk about molesting children, ignoring the consent factor. YIKES!



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pagansister

posted May 12, 2011 at 1:31 pm


Thanks Henrietta22. Been under the weather starting on Mother’s Day! I agree, your God didn’t make mistakes. The mistakes are done by those who can’t accept a person for who they are.

Brian: The molesting of children is done by many STRAIGHT men—and besides this article is about consenting adults—how do you start in on molestation of minors? Interesting view of the world “sinful and fallen”. I’m certainly glad I’m not as pessimestic as you are—life would be awful.

Yes, cknuck, normal, IMO, is what 2 consenting adults find it to be.



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cknuck

posted May 14, 2011 at 12:31 am


pagan everything two consenting adults do is not always normal, including sodomy among others. No one that is “STRAIGHT” molest children and it is a deviation from normal sex. Homosexuality is a deviation from normal healthy sex and it is shrouded in mental challenges.



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Mordred08

posted May 14, 2011 at 1:58 pm


“No one that is ‘STRAIGHT’ molest children and it is a deviation from normal sex.”

ck, heteros molest children all the damn time. What do you call it when grown men go after little girls? Are they gay somehow?

Dr. cknuck, Internet Psychologist: “Homosexuality is a deviation from normal healthy sex and it is shrouded in mental challenges.”

Homophobia is what’s shrouded in mental challenges.



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pagansister

posted May 14, 2011 at 7:07 pm


Mordred08: You beat me to it.

cknuck—-NO STRAIGHT MEN MOLEST CHILDREN???? I sure as hell hope that was a mistype! Straight men molest children–male and female children quite a bit. I know personally at least one woman who was molested by her straight father & when her mother remarried—her staight step-father, (her mom knowing about it, BTW) until she was finally taken into the “system” as a young teen. Most certainly homosexuals also take advantage of children, but that crime is most certainly NOT exclusively a HOMOsexual one.

Your statement about homosexuality being a “deviation from normal healthy sex & is shrouded in mental challenges” must mean one of my closest female friends, who happens to be a lesbian, isn’t normal. Guess I’d better clue her in. She and her girlfriend might be interested in your opinion. NOT! She and I taught together in PA. and believe me—she is normal.



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cknuck

posted May 15, 2011 at 12:22 am


pagan the fact that you think anyone who molests children is “straight” is very telling of your thoughts on sexuality, no wonder you think that homosexuality is normal.



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Mordred08

posted May 15, 2011 at 4:09 am


“Straight” means heterosexual, not good. ck is straight, and yet he’s one of the most hateful people I know.



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pagansister

posted May 15, 2011 at 11:42 am


cknuck, you do know that in the context of this subject, “straight” means a person, male or female, who is NOT homosexual—-right? as Mordred pointed out, “straight” means heterosexual. So do you still contend that “straight” men never molest children? My statement said that some straight men molest children, to contradict your statement that said straight men don’t molest children—-which is so untrue it is scary. What is your definition of “straight”?

To make things more accurate, yes, some homosexuals also molest children.

BTW, do you think that all those molesting Catholic priests were straight or homosexual? My guess? Both.



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cknuck

posted May 16, 2011 at 12:21 am


pagan I really don’t know why you cannot conceive that anyone having sex with a child is not straight anymore than someone who would have sex with someone of the same sex. A “straight person has straight sex with his or her partner. There is nothing straight or heterosexual about having sex with a child. I hope you understand that, or is sex so openly weird for you that it is out of your range to understand normal sex.



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pagansister

posted May 16, 2011 at 8:11 pm


Then your definition of “straight” is totally differnt than mine, cknuck. I framed my posts on the notion that the word “straight” meant a male or female human that has sexual intercourse with a person of the opposite sex. Men (and some women) who molest children can be either “straight” or homosexual. That means they are, IMO, of course, sick puppies that need to be locked up for the rest of their natural lives.



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cknuck

posted May 16, 2011 at 9:10 pm


sick puppies are not straight in my books, but I do agree they should be locked up or worse.



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pagansister

posted May 18, 2011 at 3:06 pm


An expression I’ve used for as long as I can remember, cknuck. Don’t even know where it came from. “Sick” meaning they have a major mental problems, as I guess you deduced. (not sick as with the flu etc).



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cknuck

posted May 20, 2011 at 1:15 am


still not straight, maybe you actually don’t know styraight people so you can’t be expected to know the difference between straight, perversed, homosexual and/or ect.



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Mordred08

posted May 20, 2011 at 8:57 pm


ck, are you still trying to change the definition of words in the middle if an argument to win?



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