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Vatican Says Gay Opponents Are Victims Too

VATICAN CITY (RNS) A Vatican official told a United Nations body on Tuesday (March 22) that people who openly object to homosexual behavior are at risk of losing their human rights when they are prosecuted or stigmatized for their beliefs.

“People are being attacked for taking positions that do not support sexual behavior between people of the same sex,” said Archbishop Silvano M. Tomasi, the Vatican’s representative to the U.N. Human Rights Council in Geneva.

“When they express their moral beliefs or beliefs about human nature, which may also be expressions of religious convictions, or state opinions about scientific claims, they are stigmatized, and worse — they are vilified, and prosecuted,” Tomasi said.

“The truth is, these attacks are violations of fundamental human rights, and cannot be justified under any circumstances.”

In his statement, Tomasi said the Vatican “condemn(ed) all violence that is targeted against people because of their sexual feelings and thoughts, or sexual behaviors.” The Vatican also rejects all legal discrimination “based just on the person’s feelings and thoughts, including sexual thoughts and feelings.”

But the Vatican envoy said that there is an international “consensus between societies that certain kinds of sexual behaviors must be forbidden by law,” citing pedophilia and incest as examples.

In 2008, the Vatican’s delegation to the U.N. General Assembly called for an “end to all criminal penalties” against “homosexual persons,” but voted against a proposed U.N. gay rights declaration that it called vague and excessively far-reaching.

- FRANCIS X. ROCCA, Religion News Service



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Chuck Anziulewicz

posted March 24, 2011 at 11:19 am


So the Vatican thinks Gay opponents are “victims” too, huh?

Tell me, have any of these Gay opponents ever had to worry about being fired from their jobs, kicked out of their apartments, being beaten or killed or denied the right to marry the person they love because of THEIR sexual orientation?

NO???

I didn’t think so.



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ldfrmc

posted March 24, 2011 at 8:46 pm


So, the remedy for their so-called “persecution?” Take a page from their play book. Tell them:

Your religious beliefs are chosen. You are not born that way. You can change any time and turn back from your lifestyle.

For a so-called “church” with centuries of persecuting and victimizing others to now claim they are victims is just sick and pathetic.



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Mordred08

posted March 25, 2011 at 10:21 pm


“‘People are being attacked for taking positions that do not support sexual behavior between people of the same sex,’ said Archbishop Silvano M. Tomasi, the Vatican’s representative to the U.N. Human Rights Council in Geneva.”

By “attacked” he means “reminded that their own religion has plenty of problems with sexual deviancy.” Where does the Vatican get off comparing gay people to pedophiles?

Cue angry Catholic raging about how I’m “persecuting” them by introducing reality into the debate in 3…2…1…



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Henrietta22

posted March 26, 2011 at 8:13 pm


Again the UN is helpful for Human Rights, and the Vatican agrees about some of it, but voted against Gay Rights Declaration, saying it was too vague, and far reaching. What was that all about? They should be concerned about abnormal sexual behaviors, since they have pedophillia all through their Churches. As far as parents having given birth to homosexual babies that should not be a concern to the Vatican. Perhaps they should all have studies on homosexuality with the proper Medical Professionals.



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ce6

posted March 27, 2011 at 1:19 am


Sounds like another “for it before they were against it” sort of thing, but in reality they were giving lip service to the idea to pretend they’re not obnoxious bigots, while voting against it with some bogus excuse so they don’t actually have to stop being obnoxious bigots.

Just another example of “Why won’t you tolerate my intolerance of you?” crybabyism, always looking for an excuse to make themselves the martyr when they are the ones holding the cross-shaped club that is used to beat people into submission.



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Goodguyex

posted March 27, 2011 at 10:29 am


Homosexuality and homosexual acts are disordered. That is what the Vatican says and they have a right to say that; implying that disorder for all homosexuals regardless of whether the homosexual is a butcher, baker, candlestick maker, president, senator, or Catholic priest.

That the disordered condition pretains to all with the orientation should not be hard to understand even if you disagree with the position.

Dante in his “Divine Comedy” condemed “sodomy” to a lower level of the Inferno. Whether or not it is this tough is another issue.



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Mordred08

posted March 27, 2011 at 1:34 pm


Goodguyex: “Homosexuality and homosexual acts are disordered.”

No they aren’t.

“That is what the Vatican says and they have a right to say that”

Having a right to say something doesn’t make it true. I have as much authority as “His Holiness” on the subject of homosexuality. I just don’t have as many people who believe that as he does.

“That the disordered condition pretains to all with the orientation should not be hard to understand even if you disagree with the position.”

Good job on addressing the point that nobody brought up.

“Dante in his ‘Divine Comedy’ condemed ‘sodomy’ to a lower level of the Inferno. Whether or not it is this tough is another issue.”

You realize the Divine Comedy is a work of fiction, right?



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Henrietta22

posted March 27, 2011 at 2:03 pm


If the Vatican believes that homosexuality is disordered then they must believe that the “Professional Medical Authorities” are also disordered, right? Goodguyex. It must be a distressful thing to be ill if you are in the Vatican when you have to depend on the medical world to treat your illnesses. I suppose it worries you, too, Goodguyex. It doesn’t worry my Catholic relatives, though.



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Goodguyex

posted March 28, 2011 at 1:42 am


Henrietta 22 writes “Goodguyex. It must be a distressful thing to be ill if you are in the Vatican when you have to depend on the medical world to treat your illnesses.”

I am not in the Vatican, but if I were and I were ill I would have no problem with the medical world treating my illnesses, because I am not homosexual and the medical world does not treat for that.

Since there is hardly any treatment for homosexuality there seems to be a tendency to suggest that it is not a disorder out of some misguided sense of compassion.



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Goodguyex

posted March 28, 2011 at 7:09 am


Mordred08 writes “You realize the Divine Comedy is a work of fiction, right?”

For sometime I have been under the notion that this epic is something of a vision or psychic event of Dante.

As a homosexual advocate you need not be too concerned about the Divine Comedy and the description of Sodomy in the Inferno. Dante also put Muhammad and his kin Ali (Alī ibn Abī Ṭālib was the cousin and son-in-law of the Islamic prophet Muhammad) in the Inferno for Heresy. So we can expect little attention on the Divine Comedy for obvious reasons.



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Henrietta22

posted March 28, 2011 at 1:37 pm


Goodguyx, I think you missed my point, that being, if you have confidence in your medical doctors, then why do you not have confidence in what the Profession has to say about homosexuality? Compassion doesn’t enter into their explanation, although compassion is good for everybody. The medical world, that is legitimate, doesn’t treat for homosexuality, as they don’t treat for heterosexuality, either. There is no treatment for either orientation. The only treatment connected to homosexuality are the wounds perpetrated by physical attacks by mostly heteros.



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cknuck

posted March 31, 2011 at 12:23 am


I have compassion for homosexuals but I don’t have to believe that the act is a good thing because it is not. It is an imitation of normal sexuality born out of perversive yearnings.



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Mordred08

posted April 2, 2011 at 10:52 pm


Is “perversive” even a word? Sounds like you just threw together the words “perverse” and “subversive”. Scary words intended to scare easily manipulated people. Unfortunately, there’s plenty of those on the internet.

“I have compassion for homosexuals”

No you don’t. You have a passion for treating homosexuals like crap and for pretending the only reason they form relationships with each other is just to gross out your imaginary friend Jesus. That’s about it.



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