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Campaigners for Women’s Ordination Protest at Vatican

posted by mconsoli

ROME (RNS/ENInews) A group of women demonstrated in Rome’s St Peter’s Square on Tuesday (June 8), saying they want “full and equal participation” in the Roman Catholic Church.
The small group held a banner stating, “Ordain Catholic Women,” to the apparent curiosity of passers-by in the Via della Conciliazione, the boulevard that leads to the square, before they were asked to move on by police.
Tuesday’s protest followed a media conference organized by groups campaigning for women’s ordination in the Catholic Church, to protest against a Vatican celebration to mark the end of a “Year for Priests”
proclaimed by Pope Benedict XVI in 2009.
“Our church urgently needs large numbers of male and female pastors to serve our parishes. Charisma should be important, not gender,” said Angelika Fromm, a German representative from the International Movement We are Church.
Fromm said the past 12 months had been “a disastrous year,” referring to the sexual abuse crisis that has rocked the Catholic Church.
“The current global crisis within the church demonstrates that the clerical hierarchy alone can’t serve any longer as the foundation of the Catholic Church’s institutional structure and authority,” said Fromm.
In a statement, the groups said they want “full and equal participation in the Roman Catholic Church, including ordination as deacons, priests and bishops.”
Vatican Radio has reported that 9,000 priests from 91 nations are to join Benedict on Thursday and Friday in the final ceremonies in Rome for the priests’ year.
“The absolute hypocrisy of the `Year for priests’ celebration cuts to the core of what is wrong with the hierarchy today,” said Erin Saiz Hanna, executive director of the U.S.-based Women’s Ordination Conference.
– Luigi Sandri
Copyright 2010 Religion News Service. All rights reserved. No part of this transmission may be distributed or reproduced without written permission.



  • pagansister

    More power to them…but I don’t think it is going to happen in my lifetime….there is supposed to be some reason why this can’t be done…not even by Benny….don’t remember just what that reason. (more like an excuse).

  • nnmns

    If I were for the RCC I’d be applauding them. And if they succeeded probably the RCC would over time get a lot better. But I think the world is better off with a very weak RCC, so put those women in their place!

  • pagansister

    nnmns: “….put those women in their place!”
    nnmns, their place is at the head of the church…to straighten it out….and moving Benny to retirement or his heaven, whichever comes first (I’m laughing at your remark…)

  • JohnQ

    Ordaining females would certainly be a great step in the right direction.
    I have never heard that there is any reason why there can not be female priests other than the one that Christ is the bridegroom and the church is the bride. That one kinda calls into question the Church’s stance on same gender marriage.
    Peace!

  • Valkyrie

    @ pagansister: The Vatican declared “impotence” on the issue of ordaining females, claiming that they don’t have the authority to change the situation because the first priests were hand-picked by Jesus (the 12 apostles) and all men. This certainly is a cop-out, because all those men were probably also married, and they were all Jewish. They were a lot of other things that haven’t been seized upon as criteria for priests in the modern Church. Also, we do know from ancient documents that females were ordained as deacons in the early Church, so claiming Tradition on this issue is also unsatisfactory.
    I agree that this change probably won’t happen in the next generation, but a non-celibate priesthood is a possibility–the Church does have a tradition of married priests, and it may become more likely as the priest shortage continues that they will reinstate that allowance. It would be a major change to the priesthood, which in my eyes might open the door to a more significant change in gender later on.

  • pagansister

    Valkyrie: Thanks for the “excuse” being used as to female priests! The excuse for only celibate male priests…really bad. The fact that Mary M. was turned into a prostitute by the powers that be, when if I understand correctly, she wasn’t, just shows the male attitude toward women in the RCC…which hopefully has changed.
    JOhnQ: Good point on the marriage situation!!! :o)

  • cknuck

    Pretty low JohnQ and blasphemous to both but don’t let that bother your agenda is way bigger than being holy. But you did excite pagan.

  • Heretic_for_Christ

    Oh, dear! Is JohnQ yet another person with a sinister agenda? Let me see… There is nnmns, pagansister, myself of course, and now JohnQ. Hmm!
    I’d like to call on cknuck to help us identify just a few more people with evil anti-Christian agendas, so that we could organize and have our own website.

  • Goodguyex

    All a lot of noise for nothing. The pope does not have the authority to ordain women. And he knows it.

  • Heretic_for_Christ

    Goodguyex,
    Really? The pope is powerless? If not the pope, who then does have the authority to ordain women?

  • pagansister

    H4C: “….If not the pope, who then does have the authority to ordain women?”
    ….wouldn’t that be Benny’s boss? And we all know who that is, huh?

  • cknuck

    H, I know it wouldn’t bother you to suggest such a thing about Jesus you make your faith up as you go.

  • JohnQ

    Goodguyex-
    Please, help me understand why you think the Pope does not have the authority to make the change and begin ordaining females as priests.
    Peace!

  • Heretic_for_Christ

    cknuck,
    Is there ANY relevance to your last comment to me? Goodguyex said the pope hasn’t the authority. I asked, Then who does? And from that you get to your usual “charge” that I make up my faith as I go along. What does my faith have to do with the question I asked? Is your contempt making you incoherent?
    Or were you just unable to resist flinging a totally gratuitous accusation at me while trying to say something about only Jesus having the authority? Okay–Jesus never said a word about priests being men only. (Yes, I know, his disciples were all men. They were all Jews, too. Should priests all be Jewish?) So the idea of ordaining women as priests would not mean that the pope would be contradicting Jesus.
    And by the way, you need to get a new fortune-cookie-clever line for your ceaseless attempts to insult me: I do not “make up my faith as I go along,” which would imply believing one thing today and something else tomorrow. My faith is what I experience, and that hasn’t changed over the years.

  • cknuck

    H you forgot your 6/10/10 12:04 comment? It had nothing to do with your attempt to question GG. It seems you stage so many attempts to belittle religious authorities that you’ve become forgetful.

  • Heretic_for_Christ

    cknuck,
    Okay, let’s review. My posting from 6/10/10 at 12:04 was in response to your accusation that JohnQ had some sinister agenda. And so I posted a sarcastic suggestion that all the people you have accused of having a sinister agenda should organize and create our own website.
    Now you tell me that your accusation that I make up my faith as I go along was NOT about my question to Goodguyex (about who, if not the pope, has authority to ordain women as priests) even though it followed that posting. Instead, it referred to that earlier posting in response to your accusation against JohnQ. But cknuck, how could anyone know which of my postings you were responding to, given that your charge of making up my faith has absolutely nothing to do with either posting?
    It is not my memory that is in question, but your ability to hold a civil and rational discourse; all I see from you recently is seething rage, as you spew out gratuitous insults and accusations that have no discernible relevance to what is posted.
    I very sincerely hope that you will step back, take a deep breath, and think seriously about whether your current state of chronic anger, defensiveness, and hostility is a good or a poor reflection of your religious convictions. I have stated it before and I’ll repeat it here now: I am not your enemy and I am not an enemy of Christianity; but I am a critic of that which I find cheap, shallow, phony, or blasphemous within organized religion, including but not limited to Christianity. Responding with rage to such criticism indicates that you think religion must be defended blindly instead of examined to see if the criticism is warranted.

  • cknuck

    H4C quote, ‘your current state of chronic anger, defensiveness, and hostility is a good or a poor reflection of your religious convictions.”
    A little political PR? I am not “chronically angry” I wouldn’t be where I am if I were, but thanks for your lame diagnosis, lol, neither am I “defensive” why would I have to be, neither am I “hostile” I am way too busy and successful for that too. So if you are a critic of all the things you claim to be a critic of then you should be a critic of yourself because outside of being organized you are just what you claim to be a critic of others for.

  • nnmns

    H4C made a suggestion for your own good. I’d urge you to follow it.
    Now I’m out of here.

  • cknuck

    nnmns giving me advice “for my own good” what a LAUGH Hahaha!

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