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Majority Find Homosexuality ‘Morally Acceptable’ for First Time

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WASHINGTON (RNS) A slight majority of Americans view gay or lesbian relations as morally acceptable, a first since Gallup pollsters started asking about the issue in 2001.
In a recent survey of 16 different behaviors or social practices, pollsters found that 52 percent of Americans accept gay or lesbian relations, a steady increase since a form of the question was introduced nine years ago. The percentage of Americans who find it “morally wrong” dipped to its lowest point: 43 percent.
Sixty percent of Democrats and independents accept of gay or lesbian relations, compared to 35 percent of Republicans.
Americans were tied, at 46 percent, regarding the morality of doctor-assisted suicide _ a stark contrast to the 77 percent of Americans who believe suicide is morally wrong.
Americans are overwhelmingly agreed on admonishing cheating spouses, with only 6 percent of respondents saying marital infidelity is morally acceptable.
The findings are based on telephone interviews with 1,029 U.S. adults, with a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.
By Fernando Alfonso III
Copyright 2010 Religion News Service. All rights reserved. No part of this transmission may be distributed or reproduced without written permission.



  • pagansister

    This country is growing up….excellent.

  • Gwyddion9

    We can only hope PaganSister however, I’m sure there will be those with whom this will only increase their actions to stop it as it’s “against their beliefs” and they have to save the country, (insert the rolling of eyes).
    I still hope that the country and world will grow up and learn that in life it’s really ‘us versus them’ but rather, WE.

  • Gwyddion9

    …of course, in all fairness, we all know that polls can be made to read in any way a person or group wants. But still, YEAH!

  • pagansister

    Yes, Gwyddion9, agree that there will be those who will try to save us all from that horrible “sin” . On well. I can still hope that the country is indeed growing up. Also know that polls can be inaccurate…but Hey! I’m an optimist. :o)
    (waiting for the “marriage is one man and one woman” argument as issued by THE book).

  • Who woulda thought? It figgers….

    cknuck must still be at work…

  • nnmns

    It does seem we’re getting a bit more mature.

  • cknuck

    If you believe polls then you’ll believe just about anything. The fix is in.

  • cknuck

    nnmns you should be mature at your age ;o)

  • Goodguyex

    Well we can say “hate the sin, love the sinner” but the awesome truth is we BECOME what we do sexually. At some point it is difficult to differentiat the sin from the sinner. Not just homosexuality, but other things.
    Chronic adultary is more common than many think. And these people have accepted themselves; as ome told me “I am just not a one woman man”.
    And getting some who have been on systemic contraception from teen years to learn and practice NFP can be compared to getting someone “out of the Matrix”.
    This raises a few questions, one of which is whether free will is limited. But this also confirms that sexual practice is not cosmetic, like the way we comb our hair, trim our nails or match our clothes.

  • Heretic_for_Christ

    Morality IS a real issue, and there IS such a thing as sexual morality — it involves adults acting with responsibility, caring, and caution. Sexual immorality would involve children, coercion, deceit, or mindlessness. And those definitions apply to heterosexuals as well as to homosexuals.

  • Rob the Rev

    Ron Dreher posted on this poll but is afraid to open his blog post to comments.

  • PresentInChrist

    The ultimate question is what you are measuring against. If we measure by God’s standard (which is unchanging) we get one answer. If you meassure by the standard of mankind (a fluid standard) you get a different answer. Based upon God’s standard, homosexuality is a sin.
    We, as human beings look for ways to justify our actions by trying to adjust truth and morality. As a man who USED TO live a life as a closeted homosexual man, I am thankful that I ahve accepted and live by God’s standard. I am happier now than I have ever been.
    Now I am out of the closet, out of the life, and living in God’s amazing grace.

  • Heretic_for_Christ

    Present,
    When you refer to “God’s standard,” are you axiomatically assuming that the Bible is God’s word? I do not. When I first read the Bible and everyone assured me that it was God’s word, my reaction was “No, I don’t think so.” Further study gave me no reason to alter that initial reaction.
    Many, many people think the Bible is God’s word and relatively few would agree with my sense that it is a compendium of ancient writings by human authors who were subject to human error. But then, in that same book, Jesus is reported to have said that many walk the wide path of error while few find the narrow path of truth.

  • Henrietta22

    This article shows that the changing attitudes and acceptance for homosexuality in our country is because of peoples studying into what our Medical authorities have explained on this part of sexual orientation. It is also because people have interacted in work, play, families, Colleges and because the Gay people have come out and know that they are no different than heterosexuals, so since they don’t lie, and pretend they are not gay, and have fought for the same rights that all citizens should have in this country, they are accepted. Only the fundamentalist religions that Christians hold on keep up the harrangue against the way they are born. I hope the percentages showing in article are also showing that people are letting go of this rigid interpretation of gay.

  • nnmns

    PiC you think you know “God’s standard” but so do a lot of other Christians, like Henrietta and others here, who are far more accepting. So I can only conclude if “God” has a standard it’s not obvious in the Bible. The verses people always seem to quote are mostly about other things when you look at the context. I notice context gets lost a lot when people are throwing Bible verses around.

  • Jason

    God bless and strengthen you, PresentinChrist.

  • cknuck

    Dear PresentinChrist I am delighted that you put God’s standards above man’s. I see the wolves nipping at your heels here but do not be deterred or grow weary God does not change with fads or the latest human desire.

  • cknuck

    Goodguy great observations.

  • Confessoressa

    PIC,
    I wish you the best of luck. Please don’t vote to impose your religious belief on those of us who don’t share it. Thanks in advance.

  • Heretic_for_Christ

    So, those who reject standard Christian rhetoric are “wolves nipping” at the heels of the faithful. I guess that means one is either a Christian… or a nipping wolf. Interesting.

  • Grumpy Old Person

    “Well we can say “hate the sin, love the sinner”
    Yes, self-described “Christians” CAN say that – and they DO (a LOT!) – but somehow, it’s always the “sinner” who ends up in the hospital or morgue after the gay-bashers get him.

  • cknuck

    GOP quote, “but somehow, it’s always the “sinner” who ends up in the hospital or morgue after the gay-bashers get him.”
    “always” GOP? Now that’s a phobia. I have in my lifetime never bashed or witnessed a bashing of a single homosexual and I’d bet that is the testimony of most Christians I don’t know a single Christian who has put anybody in the hospital or morgue homosexual or not. that’s just not a realistic statement it a phobia.

  • Henrietta22

    Well Ck I don’t think anyone has taken count or asked the gay-bashers, “Now tell us what religion you are gay-hater?” I think that would be against the law. When the fundamentalists are continually calling the GLBT sinners, just who do you think would be bashing and killing them? People that like them? Families that have given birth to them? GOP said ‘so called Christians’, not Christians. There is a huge difference.

  • nnmns

    cknuck I’ve never known anyone who hanged a black man or was part of a mob to chase one, so I guess by your reasoning those things never happened.

  • Mordred08

    cknuck: “I see the wolves nipping at your heels”
    For shame, cknuck. Comparing wolves to us godless heathens. What did wolves ever do to you?
    “I have in my lifetime never bashed or witnessed a bashing of a single homosexual and I’d bet that is the testimony of most Christians I don’t know a single Christian who has put anybody in the hospital or morgue homosexual or not.”
    So you don’t believe Christians attack gay people? I suppose back when they were executing “sodomites” in Europe, everyone was secretly Zoroastrian.

  • pagansister

    The logic coming out of this is: Since some of us have never witnessed horrible things being done to someone..gays, Blacks, Jews etc., then it means it neve happened…I like that.
    Polls are just that…polls, cknuck. One can view them anyway they want to…but there is usually some truth in them…and the results of this one is GREAT, IMO .

  • Mordred08

    nnmns: “cknuck I’ve never known anyone who hanged a black man or was part of a mob to chase one, so I guess by your reasoning those things never happened.”
    nnmns, I applaud your efforts, but you do know cknuck’s just going to completely miss the point and call you a racist, right?

  • nnmns

    It crossed my mind but he’s done that various times before. For whatever reason I keep trying, as do you.

  • cknuck

    Nnmns that is not what I said, what I said is that phobias are when people see “gay-bashing” around every corner and happening with the frequency that GOP suggested. It is a clear and factual statement and even your attempts to muddy if up will not change that fact. Gay bashing is not nearly happening on the levels suggested you just don’t see it every day. And of course you are a racist you bear that out every time you equate race with sexually, you just can’t resist it because that is the only way you can promote such misinformation so you resort to “using blacks” as the workhorse to try to legitimize your unproven point.

  • norris hall

    It is interesting to watch Christianss come down hard against homosexuality.
    The Bible has more to say about divorce and a woman’s subservience to men than it does about lesbianism or homosexuality.
    Yet Churches never condemn divorce (which is widespread among even conservative Christians and condemned by Christ in all 4 gospesl) nor expect women to be subservient to men (which is proscribed in the Bible many many times).
    Targeting homosexuals seems to take the pressure off from having to take a self critical view of their own Christian failings and shortcomings.
    when the Christian church starts coming down as hard on divorced Christians as it does on gays, then I’ll believe this is about their beliefs and not the scapegoating of some easy target.
    A good start would be to condemn divorce, strip divorced Christians of their position in the Church, Bar divorced people from attending church until they have repented and reconciled.
    Similarly they could put strict limits on a womans role in the church, make sure they keep their mouth shut and their heads covered and order their women to submit to their husbands just as muslim women are expected to do. This is what the bible expects.

  • Henrietta22

    Words create emotional reactions in fanatical Christians or people who may be of any faith or no faith that hate GLBT people, they can also be a way to “Gay Bash” everyday of the year, and the people doing it can’t be held responsible because of our law of free speech. Exp. Westboro Church. It has slowed down some, thankfully,

  • Henrietta22

    From the AdvocateNews 5/29/10
    OBAMA DECLARES June LGBT Month
    Now, Therefore, I, Barack Obama, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, do thereby proclaim June 2010 as Lesbian,Gay,Bisexual, and Transgender Pride Month. I call upon all Americans to observe this month by fighting prejudice and discrimination in their own lives and everywhere it exists.
    Go into Advocate.com and read his entire speech.

  • pagansister

    n.hall:
    Enjoyed your post…

  • pagansister

    Henrietta:
    President Obama continues to make me proud that I voted for him! thanks for posting part of his declaration.

  • nnmns

    Actually, cknuck, that is what you said. It’s still a few posts up. Inconvenient, isn’t it, for you to be held to what you said.

  • Gwyddion9

    I guess one issue I’ve always had when I was Christian and still as a Wiccan is how anyone can claim that deity is in a book. As if anyone of us could be described in a book yet, deity is supposedly described in a book. Deity is SO much larger than that. I guess my analogy that I see in conservative Christians, like the example I gave to my brother who claims/clings to the same belief, I said for you, (my brother), god is this box. For me, god is everything in the box, the box and everything outside and can’t be explained or described. I think anytime someone seeks to define and limit deity to something has lost the idea of god. But I can only guess it’s safer if everything is prescribed and one doesn’t have to think, simply do and believe. So, you’re essentially blessed for being a robot and punished for thinking. That, to me, is a pretty small deity. I’ve had others say that’s not true because we’re given ‘free choice’ but I argue that free choice is exactly that, what I see is coercion. What I hear conservatives say, god gives us free choice but what I see and hear is ‘god gives us free choice but if you don’t pick what god says, god will punish you. Is this supposed to be “free choice”? The answer is NO. This one of many reasons I don’t worry about what conservative Christians say on the matter.
    Present in Christ, If this what you think and believe, I’ll leave you to it but I still think you’re missing the bigger picture. I hope you find peace in your choice. Blessings.

  • cknuck

    nnmns you make up things as you go totally ignoring the facts.
    G9 if you think the God of the bible is confined to the bible then it is you who are missing the point. You make up your god and what it requires of you and then the next guy does the same thing then it is your god that is restricted to the confines of your mind and condones whatever behavior you say it condones, much like a ramblings of a madman. The bible gives us standards that assures us that even if God chooses not to speak for centuries we know His desire for our lives.

  • nnmns

    “You make up your god and what it requires of you and then the next guy does the same thing then it is your god that is restricted to the confines of your mind and condones whatever behavior you say it condones, much like a ramblings of a madman.”
    Precisely what I’ve been saying.
    “The bible gives us standards that assures us that even if God chooses not to speak for centuries we know His desire for our lives.”
    Sure, read the part headed “Standards for cknuck’s life:” “Standards for pagansister’s life:” “Standards for nnmns’s life:” etc. Oh, wait, there’s nothing like that in the Bible. So, cknuck, how did you know the standards for your life? Wait, I think I know the answer to that – you picked the parts you liked, like pretty much every one else who claims to follow the Bible.

  • cknuck

    talking to yourself again nnmns? Having a two party conversation alone, hahaha. I knew it, get out of the house and away from the computer. boy oh boy sad.

  • http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt3sect2chpt2art6.shtml Greg

    Its a disorder as the Catholic Church teaches.
    Male homosexuals have a life span 20 years shorter than everyone else.
    Perhaps the results of a homosexual life style results in a shorter life span?
    Why do you think this is?
    Chastity and homosexuality: Catechism of Catholic Church
    2357
    Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.”142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
    2358
    The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
    2359
    Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

  • Heretic_for_Christ

    Interesting to see that the catechism does not say anything about CHOOSING TO BE homosexual — only about CHOOSING TO ABSTAIN from homosexual activity. Celibacy without priesthood. Still, a lot more realistic than Protestant fundamentalist horsesh*t about homosexuality being a “lifestyle choice” and legalization of same-sex marriage leading to a wholesale rush by men to divorce their wives and marry other men.
    The reference to male homosexual lifespan being 20 years shorter than for heterosexuals is, I assume, from the Cameron Report — which has been discredited as biased (Cameron is an unlicensed psychologist who has cast his lot with the Family Research Council) and methodologically unsound by serious researchers. Nonetheless, it may well be that homosexual men have a shorter lifespan. Now please tell me how you separate out homosexuality itself from the effects of being the target of hatred. Is substance abuse, for example, INTRINSIC to homosexuality or is it fallout from social rejection? (Careful here: If rates of substance abuse vary by race, is it because certain races are INTRINSICALLY driven to substance abuse or is it related to the fact that certain races face hatred and discrimination leading to poorer education and poverty?) Also tell me this: If lifespan is an indicator of “depravity,” is lesbianism okay by the holy standards set by God and followed by all good Christians?
    The closing excerpt from the catechism refers to approaching “Christian perfection.” Really! I haven’t seen any perfection among Christians, many of whom routinely describe themselves as “the lowliest of sinners” (somehow managing to sound like insufferably smug even as they piously intone those words). I haven’t seen any evidence that Christians as a group are closer to perfection than groups that are non-Christian. And that leads to a serious question: If Christians are no better than anyone else (and it would take a LOT of contemporary Christian saintliness to wipe away past centuries of atrocities committed by Christians in the name of God), why should anyone care what the church’s catechism says?

  • cknuck

    H you are the one that should be “careful here” when it comes to substance abuse and race like many other maladies medical coverage law enforcement, hope, and education are huge factors. Homosexuality on the other hand is much more unexplainable.

  • nnmns

    “Homosexuality on the other hand is much more unexplainable.”
    They say God moves in mysterious ways, eh cknuck.

  • JohnQ

    Greg-
    The RCC used to teach that unbaptized babies went to hell. That life started at birth and abortion was fine up to the time of just before birth. That it was alright for priests to marry….that it was not alright….that it was alright….and now, we are back to it not being alright. Ever wonder why it is alright for priest/ministers that convert to the RCC from the Episcopal and Lutheran faiths to remain married as RCC priests? Or, why in 18 churches of the other churches the Pope leads…it is alright for priests to marry?
    The RCC used to teach the world was flat. In fact, they put people to death for teaching the world was round.
    If you wish to believe that what the RCC teaches is true…..have at it. But, unless the discussion is about teaching of the RCC…please do not present the RCC’s teachings as evidence of something.
    Peace!

  • JohnQ

    Discrimination, prejudice, and bigotry are wrong whether the issue is racial, ethnic, sexual identity, gender, or religion.
    Discrimination, prejudice, and bigotry wrapped in the cloak of religion is still discrimination, prejudice, and bigotry. And, it is still wrong.
    It is encouraging that the majority of people of our great nation are moving away from discrimination, prejudice, and bigotry.
    Peace!

  • pagansister

    JohnQ:
    Well said….

  • Heretic_for_Christ

    cknuck,
    The question was not the etiology of homosexuality but the nature of the association between sexual orientation and likelihood of substance abuse.
    But as long as you mention etiology–we do not know exactly what determines sexual orientation, but there is agreement that it is some combination of genetics and consequent hormonal influences (the hard-wired aspect) and environmental experiences from very early childhood. (The same can be said about many aspects of personality, in which very little has a clearly defined genetic basis.) That being so, how can you classify homosexuality as sinful? Can a person renounce an inborn trait? Of course not. The only thing a person can do is abstain from acting according to that trait. So if “sin” exists in this area, it would be about homosexual acts, not homosexuality per se. Which in turn means that a person born homosexual (and don’t back-peddle here — you yourself said sexual orientation is unexplainable) has the choice of living a celibate life without being a Roman Catholic priest, living a celibate life and becoming a priest, or not practicing celibacy and therefore committing sinful acts….
    That is, those are the choices IF one thinks that homosexual acts are “sinful.” In contrast to acts that are illegal because they harm other people, homosexual acts involving consenting adults are NOT illegal because they do NOT harm other people and are therefore “sinful” only in the sense that they violate religious teachings. Why should that matter to people who follow other teachings, religious or non-religious? Orthodox Jews and Muslims say that eating pork is forbidden–do you feel obliged to abstain from eating pork just because their religious laws and traditions forbid it? And if you made that choice, it would be relatively easy for you to abstain from eating pork, because eating pork is NOT an innate aspect of your personality. It is much harder to deny a powerful innate drive like sex or to try to redirect it in a way that defies its innate character–yet you think homosexuals who do not share your sense of what is “sinful” should nevertheless abstain from sex.

  • cknuck

    JQ, quote, “Discrimination, prejudice, and bigotry are wrong whether the issue is racial, ethnic, sexual identity, gender, or religion”
    How clever but gender is enough and God made, “sexual identity” comes with a whole lot of man made stuff “GLBT”. It’s not a prejudice or bigotry if you want to indulge go right ahead just like S&M and other extraordinary sexual preferences this is a free country but don’t tell us that this is normal because its not.

  • Heretic_for_Christ

    Why this obsession with what is “normal”? What seems normal for one person may seem bizarre to another. If my instinctive response to something is “Yuck!” does that entitle me to condemn someone whose response to the same thing is “Yum!” and call that person immoral?

  • Grumpy Old Person

    ck,
    You misunderstood my point. I said it isn’t the “sin” that gets bashed. You profess to hat eht “sin”, as opposed to the “sinner”. It doesn’t matter if it’s a “Christian” basher or an atheist basher. My point is and remains that it isn’t the “sin” that ends up in the hospital; it’s the sopposed “sinner”.
    If the target of your hate were, in fact, “sin” as opposed to the “sinner”, there’d be quite a feww happier “sinners” around to ‘delight’ in your hate of their “sin” since their bodies won’t have been bashed.
    Go ahead and (mis-)understand all you want. We know that you understand what I mean – you just disagree with it.

  • Grumpy Old Person

    “It’s not a prejudice or bigotry if you want to indulge go right ahead just like S&M and other extraordinary sexual preferences this is a free country but don’t tell us that this is normal because its not.”
    Nor is that tealm of sexual play limited to homosexuals, ck. Your association is irrelevant to what is “normal” and what is not, as well as to what is homosexual and what is not.

  • pagansister

    “Normal” is defined by who is doing the defining.

  • john williams

    Beware of these false and wick Politician, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
    False prophets possess the ability to reach large groups of people and seduce them with their wickedness, offering them hope in something that isn’t of God. Amazingly, some of these practitioners of evil doctrine are so gifted in deception they lead professing Christians into their flocks.

  • Heretic_for_Christ

    john williams,
    On the assumption (apologies if wrong) that you consider homosexuality to be an example of “wickedness” because an ancient book takes a hostile attitude toward it, I suggest you think long and hard before making any conscious, willful choice about whether you want to be homosexual or heterosexual.

  • pagansister

    Just what are you trying to say, john williams? Quotes don’t really tell what YOU are saying, just quotes from a book.

  • cknuck

    JW I find your comment very accurate indeed.

  • Gwyddion9

    I always find it amusing when people quote their bibles as fact and authority, to them, but fail to see, let alone understand, that to those who think or believe the bible is NOT authoritative, your lips are simply flapping in the wind and simply make a bunch of noise. To these individuals, they generally appear please with themselves as though they just given the secret to the universe but to the rest of us, we’re still waiting for something of substance to be said!

  • http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/7592541 melissa white

    I just taped a talk show discussing homosexuality, please check it out. I think it is insightful.
    http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/7592541

  • http://coneflowertvb.blogspot.com Alta Dwyer

    Really interesting article! Really!

  • Your Name

    Melissa,
    Very clever that you presented your views, taped people who agree with your views, and then present it to us as “insightful”.
    It was as full of sh!t as everything ck has ever posted here on B’net.

  • Your Name

    ck,
    “phobias are when people see “gay-bashing” around every corner and happening with the frequency that GOP suggested.”
    More contemptible lies (aka the bearing of false witness – aka a “SIN!!!” – aka BULLSH1T).
    “Hate crimes against gays doubled in Canada”
    Link: http://www.vancouversun.com/life/Hate+crimes+against+gays+doubled+Canada/3155968/story.html
    “Gay bashing is not nearly happening on the levels suggested you just don’t see it every day.”
    You go on and keep believing that, ck. It’s your kind that contributes to the “sinner” being bashed – whether or not you do the actual bashing yourself. You have yet to show that it ISN’T the “sinner” that ends up in the hospital instead of the “sin” you profess to hate so much.
    Vile and hateful attitudes like yours is what causes people to actually hate actual people – up to and, yes, including bashing.

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