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Court Rejects Unemployment Pay for Jehovah’s Witness

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(RNS) A Pennsylvania judge has denied unemployment benefits to a Jehovah’s Witness who quit her job in a jewelry store when her responsibilities conflicted with her religious beliefs against celebrating birthdays.
The Pennsylvania Commonwealth Court’s ruling reversed a decision by the Unemployment Compensation Board of Review to grant benefits to Trista Reichman after she quit working as a part-time salesperson at Calhoun Jewelers in Royersford, Pa., northeast of Philadelphia.
In addition to birthdays, Jehovah’s Witnesses do not celebrate Christmas or most other holidays.
The court determined that Reichman’s decision to quit after being asked to print messages on promotional birthday cards — although she had been willing to sell and wrap jewelry for birthday presents — did not merit compensation.
Neither Calhoun Jewelers nor Reichman could not be reached for comment.
According to the court memorandum, during her two years at the store, Reichman had refused to sing or eat cake when co-workers celebrated birthdays, though she did eat other food brought in for the parties. She also typed up a list of employee birthdays, including her own, at her employer’s request.
Three years ago, a Jehovah’s Witness who had refused to sing “Happy Birthday” to customers at a Texas restaurant, where she worked as a waitress, won a $38,750 settlement.
Based on the case, the federal Equal Employment Opportunity Commission updated its guidelines on religious discrimination, advising employers to make “appropriate accommodations” to allow Jehovah’s Witnesses to avoid celebrations that conflict with their beliefs.
– Nicole Neroulias
Copyright 2010 Religion News Service. All rights reserved. No part of this transmission may be distributed or reproduced without written permission.



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Gayle

posted April 22, 2010 at 6:34 pm


In this day and age when people need jobs desparately for their families, businesses having to do employment cutbacks, people with families losing homes, for people to be able to quit a job over such friviolity and expect public sympathy and unemployment benefits, it’s just too much to stomach.



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chris

posted April 22, 2010 at 7:07 pm


Trivial to you.
However, why should she have to do this? Was it in her job description as a “sales associate”?
I can tell you that being criticized over your beliefs is no “trivial” matter either.
Im a JW. And used to wait tables. And I wouldnt sing happy birthday to the table. Its not necessary to the task of being a waiter. And courts have repeatedly ruled in the favor of JWs not participating in b-day celebrations.



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pagansister

posted April 22, 2010 at 8:04 pm


It seems she was selective about birthday related things…would sell and wrap birthday gifts for customers, not eat birthday cake, but would eat other food brought in for the birthday party…the food brought in wasn’t part of the BIRTHDAY celebration?? She typed up the birthday list with her own birthday on it! She didn’t deserve to be paid unemployment…she quit, wasn’t laid off. Like I said, she seems to have been very selective about what she did relating to birthdays.



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nnmns

posted April 22, 2010 at 10:26 pm


I realize this may be early in a slippery slope and maybe I should be with her, but I find myself agreeing that she should not get the payment.
Maybe there should be a more complete description of the duties before she’s hired but I just can’t get excited about defending someone who took a job in a jewelry store where pretty obviously birthdays are a big deal and who turns out to not be willing to do simple things related to birthdays. She’s not celebrating someone’s birthday, she’s doing her job. Or in this case not doing her job.
It’s not as serious but otherwise similar to pharmacists who take a job in a drug store, where birth control is an important part of the job, and refuse to dispense birth control. The person took the job under false pretenses, knowing they didn’t plan to do it.



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cknuck

posted April 23, 2010 at 12:10 am


If she knew that part of the job hospitality is to sing happy birthday she should get another job. These types of lawsuits are not biblical.



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Mohammed

posted April 23, 2010 at 1:35 am


ha ha ha… you have to be outside of your mind to do something like that, quiting your job simply because you dont wanna write “Happy Birhtday” on someones birthday card.
I suppose if that can be Bibilcally proven, then shes entitled to it.
Plus the pension, life insurance, and medical insurance while shes at it…



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Loren

posted April 23, 2010 at 4:13 am


jehovahs witnesses are a killjoy self righteous religion which ruins peoples lives and tears apart families.
http://www.jwfacts.com



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frances

posted April 23, 2010 at 9:42 am


I agree loren. Much like Scientology, this “religion” robs its adherants of their families, their money and ultimately their, souls. Kudos to the court for this decision. This lady should consider asking the leaders of her cult for financial assistance.



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Margarett

posted April 23, 2010 at 3:21 pm


I read another article on this, and I agree with where the Sister drew the line
But … I also agree with the verdict due to I’ve been on unemployment, and it can be sweet. I got a sense that the sister wanted the unemployment more than she wanted the problem straightened out. I believe she could have had someone else brought into it, or just explained things a little further … etc.
As for some of the other silly comments:
To find out the integrity of a tree examine ‘its’ leaves.
http://www.watchtower.org



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Margarett

posted April 23, 2010 at 3:39 pm


One more thing in the sisters favor however. When ‘we’ view unemployment as being ‘sweet’ it’s not because we’re planning a cruise. It’s to do more of the ‘unusual work’ … which isn’t easy.
She’s probably eager for this because she knows just how unususal it is. The ones behind the doors view it as very usual, but they’re wrong. It will stop, and it will never start again.
Open those doors and judge the integrity of a tree by its ‘own’ leaves. http://www.watchtower.org



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Marie

posted April 23, 2010 at 8:29 pm


I’m happy she won she should have, you have your belifes and so does she would’t you want yours to be respected stand FIRM don’t let any MAN make you do something you don’t think is right. I HOPE YOUR ALL TEACHING YOU KIDS THAT!



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nnmns

posted April 23, 2010 at 10:56 pm


Uh, she lost. I want my beliefs to be respected but that doesn’t mean an employer has to pay me if I don’t do my job, a perfectly reasonable job.



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JCB

posted April 24, 2010 at 12:16 am


I’m a JW and if I have simply declined to engage in activities that conflict with my bible trained conscience. Generally this doesn’t cause any problems. Working for a jewelery sales company is prone to put the person in those situations and is foreseeable. I don’t see why she, although of the same faith, should have been given unemployment. She quit. That is the price one pays for maintaining one’s conscience. I hope she finds other work soon.
It is tough being one of Jehovah’s Witnesses but it is SO worth it.
JCB



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Hanover

posted April 24, 2010 at 2:11 am


Birthday’s Bad??
Jehovah’s Witnesses WORSE than Jonestown Branch Davidians combined
250,000 DEAD Jehovah Witness Men,Women,Children since 1945 over blood ban
JW compromise the *abstain from blood* dogma and use 80% of the unit bag of donated blood to utilize for blood *fractions* for conditions like hemophilia.
They do not back donate themselves.
If everyone on the planet converted to the Watchtower religion tomorrow and became baptised Jehovah’s Witnesses…..
Would there be any blood donated to break down into parts?
Simple question…..yes or no?
http://www.towertotruth.net/Articles/blood_transfusions.htm
fascinating page



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Roberta

posted April 24, 2010 at 8:41 am


Jehovah’s Witnesses and their New York City based Watchtower religious racket has defrauded millions of followers and broke up countless families.Just like Scientology a destructive cult.
Expose them with education.
Google: Jehovah Witness Watchtower
http://www.freeminds.org



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randy

posted April 24, 2010 at 9:03 am


Note to Hanover:
If the entire world became Jehovah’s Witnesses, you are right, there would be no blood for transfusions, but there would also be NO MORE WAR!
Which has resulted in more deaths? Refusal to take blood or war?



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Jackie

posted April 24, 2010 at 10:32 am


Randy is that how you defend your deadly Jehovah’s Witnesses doctrine?
There are many religions and non religious groups out there that don’t join the military
http://www.jwfiles.com FACTS on JW fanatics



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JCB

posted April 24, 2010 at 6:05 pm


Groan.. Apostates are just like Satan. They don’t actively pursue what they view as the truth, they just try to berate and bring others down. This type of activity isn’t Agape in any form. :-(



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Janet Hope

posted April 24, 2010 at 6:29 pm


Actually if any group is spreading hate – it is the JWs. They complain about how bad the world is doing but do very little to nothing in charitable works. Have they run a food bank , run a clothing drive. No they litter the landscape with magazines. They can’t even be green friendly.
99% of their dogmas are bogus they take and take and take….
REAP what they have SOWN
The Watchtower has been a source of hate Literature for over 100 years.
Watchtower and other Jehovahs Witness publications have been full of slanderous, half-truth, deceiving, misleading hatefilled articles and lies.
The Jehovahs Witnesses on one hand fill their books and lectures with details about how evil and corrupt every other religion is, but then when theirs is exposed as corrupt they fall back on how it’s *voluntary* to be a member, and how its not nice to say nasty things about them, and how they are being *persecuted*.
http://www.jwfacts.com LINK



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JCB

posted April 24, 2010 at 7:02 pm


Thanks for the exact example of what I was talking about, Ms. Hope.



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Reason with me

posted April 25, 2010 at 4:08 am


Birthday bashes a big offense against God?
Violent Crimes by Jehovah’s Witnesses
http://dannyhaszard.com/notrespassing.htm
This is all real life news and court cases
Nothing made up



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Taxpyer Burden

posted April 25, 2010 at 7:19 am


The next thing I hope the government goes after is the medical costs overruns by Jehovah’s Witnesses. Many of them are low wage earners qualifying for Medicaid and when they request special treatment because of their blood stand – they can tie up medical staff longer, use hospital beds longer, and require expensive medicines. I think the federal government should require the Watchtower to contribute to these extra costs otherwise this is money stolen from the taxpayers and we are essentially funding their religious beliefs. As I recall, “Thou shalt not steal” is one of the ten commandments. The most obvious commands of the Bible , JWs ignore.



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pagansister

posted April 25, 2010 at 1:24 pm


As for religions that claim to follow Christ’s teachings, among them JW’s…I have found over my many years that the most UNFUN religion is that of the JW’s. NO birthdays, no Christmas, no Halloween, not anything except Easter. And some folks will drink the Kool Aide, and some won’t. Free country here in the USA…where folks who want to drink and those who don’t can do so.



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JCB

posted April 25, 2010 at 8:17 pm


@ pagansister
We don’t do Easter either. Its all tied to Luke 16:10 ‘The person faithful in what is least is faithful also in much. . .’ :-D
We do find much joy in life though. Thanks for your concern.
Agape – JCB



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Taxpayer Burden

posted April 25, 2010 at 10:07 pm


JCB
“We don’t do Easter either. Its all tied to Luke 16:10 ‘The person faithful in what is least is faithful also in much.”
Now that’s a good laugh – yeah right



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Vera

posted April 25, 2010 at 10:26 pm


Some would have you believe that bloodless surgery costs a lot of money…read this News article to learn the facts from a professional standpoint.
1. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12466831/from/ET/



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G

posted April 25, 2010 at 10:29 pm


>As I recall, “Thou shalt not steal” is one of the ten commandments. The most obvious commands of the Bible.
Not sure I get this. You’re saying obey the command not to steal, but to disobey the command to abstain from blood? How can one be a Christian by picking and choosing what they will obey from God?



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G

posted April 25, 2010 at 10:33 pm


And I’ll quote from the link Vera posted.
“Among the benefits are reductions in recovery time, hospital stay, cost and complications — as well as an estimated $20,000 in savings per patient, said Dr. Charles Bridges, the Pennsylvania Hospital cardiologist who performed Shapiro’s surgery.”



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Vera

posted April 25, 2010 at 10:36 pm


Did you notice in the News article that I posted that with bloodless surgery there’s a reduction in recovery time, hospital stay, cost and complications. In fact, it states..”bloodless surgery saves about $20.000 per patient.
That’s a lot of taxpayers money that the above poster is worried about.



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Vera

posted April 25, 2010 at 10:50 pm


We hear so much about people who have died after refusing a blood transfusions, but almost never hear anything about the many who die because of receiving a blood transfusion….Because of this, I thought this article might interest many…
Duke University Study: “Blood Transfusions May Have Killed Millions”
That shocking headline appears over a recent issue of HSI Panelist Jon Barron’s Baseline of Health e-letter. And the details are sobering.
This past October, Jon reported on a Duke University study that revealed how blood transfusions sharply increase the risk of heart attack and death. Here’s why: In the U.S., the law allows blood banks to store red blood cells for a maximum of 42 days. The problem is that stored blood begins to deteriorate very quickly.. In fact, in the first day of storage there’s a
70 percent drop in levels of the molecule that carries nitric oxide in the blood, severely compromising the blood’s ability to deliver oxygen.
Then comes the second half of this double whammy: When blood is deficient in nitric oxide, it pulls nitric oxide out of surrounding tissue, causing it to constrict and become deoxygenated. Fatalities occur when that tissue happens to be heart tissue.
Two recent studies confirm the Duke results (clearly showing that blood stored more than 14 days can be quite dangerous), and add another danger: Transfusions increase stroke risk.
Jon writes: ‘Blood transfusions have been used as a standard medical procedure for over 100 years. And now it turns out they may be responsible for many millions of unnecessary deaths worldwide during that time. How could this be? Unlike alternative health, modern medicine is based on science – not anecdotal evidence.
So why didn’t all those scientific studies on blood transfusions figure out those blood transfusions are, at best, an iffy proposition that should be reserved only for the most dire of emergencies?’
You can read Jon’s full article on his web site at
1. http://www.jonbarron.org/newsletters/08/05-12-2008.php



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Jehover Good

posted April 26, 2010 at 12:39 am


No blood!
The Watchtower says don’t ever take blood
It may save your life, but it’ll do you no good
For the bible tells us to take it is wrong
So if you love Jehovah, you need to stay strong
And never use anything that Jehovah has condemned
Even if it means that your life may end
Always remember, though we want you to live
Should you ever weaken, we do not forgive
So should you ever dare to choose
To use a treatment that’s against our rules
Be very aware, have no doubt
That those who defy us will be cast out
But the Watchtower’s blood rule is not based on truth
The scriptures they quote offer no proof
Still their followers listen, they choose to ignore
That the “no blood” prohibition is a dietary law
So Jehovah’s Witnesses continue to die
For another false doctrine, another Watchtower lie
The death toll mounts as more pay the price
Of the Watchtower’s demand for the ultimate sacrifice
http://www.ajwrb.org/ Jehovah Witness blood policy reform site



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Jehover Good

posted April 26, 2010 at 12:42 am


There are NO *blood alternatives* yet (this is deadly made up propaganda from the JW shill) ,all that is out there is salt and sugar solutions.Synthetic hemoglobin is still being developed.
None of the arguments about tainted blood supply can apply to banking saving your own blood for elective surgery.
If you take ‘whole-blood’ or autologous (use your own stored blood) you will be shunned by your family and friends.The Watchtower organization is in control of your life.
I work in the medical field and have witnessed this situation a few times. It’s easy for people to say they understand they might die as a consequence of not accepting blood but I’m not sure they understand what it entails if they lose a lot of blood but don’t die. Thousands of dollars and manpower are spent running Code Blues and providing ICU support for them. All for a few units of blood. I find that quite selfish. ICU beds and staff are in such short supply! And these people end up bumping themselves into the ICU ahead of many trauma victims and transplant patients.
An estimated 200,000 JW scattered worldwide have perished for refusing blood since 1945 , far worse than the Jonestown and Waco massacres put together!
http://www.pressbox.co.uk/detailed/Society/Jehovah_s_Witnesses_revile_the_Red_Cross_36190.html



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Jehover Good

posted April 26, 2010 at 12:46 am


SIX TIMES MORE MOTHERS DIE in Childbirth from blood loss among Jehovah’s Witnesses.
It’s dogma and man-made dictates NOT humanitarian
At its core, the Jehovah’s Witnesses refusal of blood transfusions is based entirely on faith, not on science (as their own “Blood Brochure” is very specific about). Bloodless surgery as a *preference* may be more popular than it once was, but that is not the issue at hand.
The *doctrine* and practice of letting someone die rather than allow the use of blood in life-threatening situations is the real issue. And at its core is the blind adherence to the dictates of an organization of men.
The “blood issue” is the JW’s Jonestown Kool-Aid. It is their baseless test of loyalty to their Society. Despite the fact that it makes little sense to a silent majority of them anymore, they think it proves their faithfulness to “God’s organization” People who die refusing blood, or who let their children die,are considered heroes.
The Watchtower has teams of lawyers to protect itself from wrongful death lawsuits.
http://www.ajwrb.org/basics/abstain.shtml JW hypocritically USE Blood when they want to



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Jehover good

posted April 26, 2010 at 1:03 am


Blood transfusion to Jehovah’s Witness is like psychiatry to Scientologist
Jehovah’s Witnesses deny their children full access to all medical blood therapy options.
If the “bloodless” surgery techniques were truly better, then the majority of hospitals would be doing them, even on patients who didn’t have any unfounded superstitions about blood. There are over five thousand hospitals in the US, fewer than ten percent do “bloodless” surgery.
And, of course, it’s disingenuous to focus on surgery, as the far more critical use of blood is in emergency medicine. When paramedics show up to an accident scene, quite often somebody needs blood (hypovolemia) or they’re going to die.
Bloodless emergency treatment is pretty much an oxymoron



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Solomon

posted April 26, 2010 at 2:26 am


Everything about the Jehovah’s Witnesses is deception because you are a supremacist cult who feel no need to be truthful with unbelievers who are all,”gonna die at armageddon anyway”.
http://www.freeminds.org Free Minds



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London Correspondant

posted April 26, 2010 at 4:08 am


This article related to an employment tribunal, so why are all the comments about Blood Transfusions? Whenever a news story that includes a Jehovah’s Witness appears, it seems like the same nasty bigots arrive from wherever they come from and post the same old hatred and falsehoods. Goodness know what these people think of Jews or Muslims or the disabled – its very very ugly.



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Taxpayer Burden

posted April 26, 2010 at 4:20 am


London Correspondant
You use the same old logical fallacies that all JWs succumb to when they can’t defend a position. You just used at least 2 – an ad hominem attack and a straw man.



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Roberta

posted April 26, 2010 at 5:49 am


[HELLO:It's the JW trolls who started the off-topic promotion of their 'bloodless' propaganda]
The Watchtower is one grand religious Ponzi scheme. The governing body sits at the top of the pyramid and receives the perks and benefits of being a top insider. To keep the masses in the game , they promise paradise to the rank and file if they obey the governing body. Watchtower reminds me of the religious version of Amway.
It’s easy to figure out which comments are Jehovah’s Witness fanatics. Very typical. They never seem to be able to refute what is said about them……they just attempt to insult their critics. We all know that JWs with computers are attracted like moths to a flame to any blog that shows up in a Google search of “Watchtower”. Tsk….tsk
BTW the “apostate” slur word they hurl around is a derogatory swear word of contempt as bad as any out there
I was a 3rd generation Jehovah’s Witness my entire clan was “liberated” of our financial assets by the Watchtower.
http://www.freeminds.org/organization/business/the-watchtower-way-of-laundering-money.html
MO MONEY



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Truth On Transfusions

posted April 26, 2010 at 9:01 am


Cost of Jehovah’s Witnesses refusing blood could treat 25,000 in Africa!
http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/318/7187/873/a
BMJ 1999;318:873 ( 27 March )
Letters
Costs incurred by one severely ill Jehovah’s Witness could run one unit in Africa for one year
EDITORMinerva reports that a Jehovah’s Witness survived emergency surgery for a leaking abdominal aneurysm despite having a postoperative haemoglobin concentration of only 30 g/l; he spent 14 weeks in hospital.1 Those of us who work in rural Africa can only wonder how much it cost in the face of claims of rationing and cost cutting in the NHS. Such a stay must easily have cost a six figure sum.
Here in Uganda for £250 000 a year we can treat 25 000 outpatients and 7000 inpatients, conduct over 1000 deliveries, and perform 1500 operations. We run a community health programme for 500 000 people. The costs incurred by this one patient might run our unit for a whole year. Will the time come when a religious group will be charged the costs of keeping its members alive? Ethically one may feel that one should do everything, whatever the cost; at the end of the financial year, however, elective surgery that could be life improving has to be cancelled.
The choice is easy here in Uganda. When a child who has severe anaemia from malaria with hookworm infestation and undernutrition comes in the choice is simple: he or she has a transfusion or dies.
Nicholas Wooding , Medical superintendent.
Kiwoko Hospital, PO Box 149, Luweero, Uganda
Minerva. BMJ 1998; 317: 690 . (5 September.)



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Jono

posted April 26, 2010 at 11:08 am


This is pathetic but also wonderful. This Sister stook to her values and spritual conscience, just like Jehovah’s people did in World War 2. She was unrightfully treated in a civil respect and has suffered a civil tort against her.
So are we saying that when other religions’ holidays come up then you must also comply such as Eid etc etc This girl was blasted for her rightful stand for her God Jehovah. Wake up people!



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Jono

posted April 26, 2010 at 11:25 am


Cost of Jehovah’s Witnesses refusing blood could treat 25,000 in Africa????? LOL
IN AFRICA, TENS OF THOUSANDS OF BOREHOLES, WELLS AND PUMPS – MANY RECENTLY BUILT WITH FOREIGN AID – HAVE FALLEN INTO DISREPAIR ” for a SIMPLE and “avoidable” reason : LACK OF MAINTENANCE” – from the INTERNATIONAL INSTITUTE FOR ENVIRONMENT AND DEVELOPMENT, BRITAIN>
Please wake up and get off up off your lazy laurels and feed your people, and TRY and maintain your wells and water, which cost us outsiders MILLIONS, before you dare to categorise Jehovah’s Witnesses in a financial way. What alternative care can you give our Brothers when you starve your own. Maybe Bob Geldof should organise another musical session with Uganda in mind. Please get reason!



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pagansister

posted April 26, 2010 at 11:32 am


Blood transfusions have what to do with this article???? The woman quit…no unemployment…simple. She needs to find a job where there are no requirements to sing “happy birthday! In this environment, finding a job isn’t easy.



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Elder Infomant

posted April 26, 2010 at 11:39 am


Enough of Steve Klemetti and your endless spamming of bogus Watchtower propaganda
Steve Klemetti is a Jehovah’s Witnesses troll who is a *hybrid* APOSTATE to the Watchtower Say’s JW don’t need the Watchtower society just everyone do their own thing.
Steve Klemetti doesn’t go out in service he counts time here trolling!
Klemetti unauthorized rebel website
JW Proclaimers.org
Members Enter Here.
http://www.jwproclaimers.org/
Amazing he is not Dfed yet



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pagansister

posted April 26, 2010 at 11:48 am


JCB, so you all don’t do Easter either?! No bunnies for you, I guess. What the heck do you celebrate? I would think JC’s “rising” from the dead would be a basic of a religion that claims to be Christian. Obviously you have found something that floats your boat. Like I said, a most “unfun” religion.



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James Jones

posted April 26, 2010 at 2:19 pm


The following website summarizes over 500 lawsuits filed by Jehovah’s Witnesses against their Employers, incidents involving problem JW Employees, and other secret JW “history” court cases:
EMPLOYMENT ISSUES UNIQUE TO JEHOVAH’S WITNESS EMPLOYEES
jwemployees.bravehost.com



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Jewel

posted April 26, 2010 at 3:13 pm


Besides not celebrating Christmas Jehovah Witness don’t celebrate their birthdays,Mother’s Day and so on…
Personally I have granddaughters who’s mother is JW and during Christmas we gave them gifts just like my other grands but they made sure that what they took home was neither a card or gift wrapping with Christmas logos
They believe that when the world ends they are the only one who will survive.
Hypocrite cult
http://www.bible.ca/jw.htm



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Vera

posted April 26, 2010 at 5:46 pm


Please join us in the 21st century. According to the US Federal government, (Not Jehovah’s Witnesses this time) says bloodless medicine is better, safer, cheaper, and provides superior medical outcomes.
See this news report explaining that the US is training military doctors in this method because it’s not only safer and cheaper but the patients have improved mortality and morbidity without blood transfusions.
http://www.ny1.com/1-all-boroughs-news-content/112911/englewood-hospital-get



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pagansister

posted April 26, 2010 at 6:55 pm


Again, this article had nothing to do with blood transfusions or related items.



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cknuck

posted April 26, 2010 at 7:09 pm


the government’s move to explore bloodless surgery has as little to do with the Jehovah Witness as this article has to do with bloodless surgery.



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Alex

posted April 26, 2010 at 7:30 pm


It is interesting to note that I have never seen a Jehovah’s Witness turn down a Christmas bonus from their employer.
Can anyone say hypocrite?



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JCB

posted April 26, 2010 at 9:14 pm


@ Alex. I have.
That being said, when you ask an employer if he/she is giving the bonus as an annual thing or as a gift the employer will generally admit that it is a factored in percentage for good productivity over the course of a year. And.. that they give it out during Christmas because that is when most folks need/like to have it most. In those cases is it truly for religious reasons, obviously not. My conscience allows me to accept my yearly bonus if that is the basis. Surely you can understand that, Alex.
Agape -
JCB



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JCB

posted April 26, 2010 at 9:22 pm


@ pagansister
“JCB, so you all don’t do Easter either?! No bunnies for you, I guess. What the heck do you celebrate? I would think JC’s “rising” from the dead would be a basic of a religion that claims to be Christian. Obviously you have found something that floats your boat. Like I said, a most “unfun” religion.”
–We celebrate Christ’s death (or memorial) as he told all his followers to do. The resurrection was, of course, a miracle as well but it pales in comparison to what Jesus viewed as more important. (Luke 22:19 ‘Keep doing this in remembrance of me.’ -said at the ‘Last Supper’)
Look up any encyclopedia and you will see that Easter’s origin has no basis in Christianity but rather paganism, something I’m sure you know about, pagansister.
Agape,
JCB



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pagansister

posted April 26, 2010 at 10:28 pm


JCB, Yes, I do know the origins of Easter and I’m proud to acknowledge the part we have played.
Are you saying that the other Chrisitian religions are wrong and you guys are right by NOT celebrating JC’s resurrection AKA as Easter to those other Christians? You celebrate “death”. Interesting. Do you do Communion…and feel that the wine (grape juice?) and wafer(bread?) are actually the blood and flesh of Christ, “in remembrance” you “eat” him? If so, isn’t that simular to or is cannibalism? OR if you do communion, is the food just a representative of his blood and flesh? Either way…. not tasty.
Just curious.



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Dr Carlos

posted April 27, 2010 at 12:56 am


Jehovah’s Witnesses are wolf in sheep’s clothing but God is the personification of love.
Love God reject cult.
http://www.howcultswork.com/



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Marion

posted April 27, 2010 at 2:51 am


Watchtower bloodless surgery propaganda
http://www.theopenpress.com/?a=articles&code=01&id=479



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JCB

posted April 27, 2010 at 12:52 pm


pagansister,
To be blunt, yes, celebrating pagan events with some Christian wrappings is completely wrong and in no way honors Christ. We celebrate Christ’s death of course. – John 3:16. Once a year, at the memorial of Christ’s death, the bread and wine are passed. We in no way believe that they are the blood and flesh of Christ. They are simply symbols/representations of the perfect sacrifice he presented.
It seems that you have honest questions based on curiosity or a simple search for knowledge. Feel free to ask any of your questions to any JW.. no strings.
Agape,
JCB



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posted April 27, 2010 at 12:55 pm


#3 of the 8 marks of a cult
#3 Demand for Purity
[The world is depicted as black and white, with little room for making personal decisions based on a trained conscience. One's conduct is modeled after the ideology of the group, as taught in its literature. People and organizations are pictured as either good or evil, depending on their relationship to the cult.Universal tendencies of guilt and shame are used to control individuals, even after they leave....]
Birthday celebration,joining the benevolent YMCA, buying girl scout cookies (because like the boy scouts they are ‘patriotic’) these things are banned by the Watchtower society because they give the appearance of PURITY as a cover for the Watchtower most egregious lies such as:1914 Jesus second coming,ban on ‘whole blood’,breaking up of families,two classes of Christians with only 144,000 going to heaven ..
http://www.freeminds.org/doctrine/bible/holidays.html



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pagansister

posted April 27, 2010 at 2:36 pm


“……celebrating pagan events with some Christian wrappings is completely wrong and in no way honors Christ”. JCB
Like all religions, to belong one has to follow the line they push. If you didn’t believe what you have been told as a JW, you wouldn’t follow it. I happen to disagree with your statement, but then, I am a Pagan.
“We celebrate Christ’s death”. JCB
Only religion that I know of that celebrates death/ someone dying. My few years as a Christian and those I know from family and friends,(who are predominately Christian) celebrate the supposed resurrection of JC, promice of life after death and all that stuff.
IMO, there is no ONE faith or belief that is superior to any other. I also belief that no religion should control a person’s life totally. One should think for themselves, as no religious leader or churche’s beliefs, has the right to control another person’s mind or life. However, people have free will, so some don’t mind being controled apparently and that is their decision.
Life should be celebrated….daily, along with birthday’s, Mother’s Day, Father’s Day, Christmas (not with the Christian slant…but just to celebrate the birth of all babies), Easter (again in my life, just the joy of new life, spring, sex etc.) Valentine’s Day. The origin of the celebrations…no problem. Enjoyment and love of life makes them all worthy to celebrate.
As to this woman quiting her job….like I said, she should just find one where no one wants her to do anything fun…birthdays etc. There must be some about.



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Orwell

posted April 27, 2010 at 4:15 pm


The Orwellian World of Jehovah’s Witnesses
“Public talks” where the public rarely attends.
“The Lord’s Evening Meal” where virtually no one eats.
“The Theocratic Ministry School” that bears little relation to actual ministry.
“Bible Studies” where the Bible is rarely read and Jesus is barely mentioned.
An “Awake!” magazine that has no urgent message.



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Canadain dude

posted April 29, 2010 at 9:07 pm


First of all the Jehovah’s Witness do not believe in the resurrection of Jesus, but in re-creation of a Michael the Archangel. The Watchtower can’t explain what happened to the body except to say unbiblical ideas like the body disolved into a gas.
JCB is not telling the truth about his religions ‘memorial service’ of Jesus. Wine and bread are passed around but no one is expected to partake of these symbols. Only the heavenly class of 144,000 may partake because they are the only ones going to heaven. Too bad the scripture they use for the literal number of 144,000 also gives each of the names of the all male members of the tribes of Isrial.
Most who attend the Kingdom Hall for the memorial are of the second class Christian group called the other sheep. Once again a bible verse is perverted to make up such nonsense. When Jesus said there are “other sheep not from this fold” they were talking about the gentiles that were joining in with the Jews to become equal Christians.



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posted May 19, 2010 at 7:52 am


Happy Birthday to Trista for all the birthdays she’s missed being in that silly cult.



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