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Leading U.S. Catholic Bishop Denounces Gay Group

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(RNS) The top U.S. Catholic bishop has denounced a Maryland-based gay ministry that has advocated on behalf of same-sex marriage, saying the group “confuses the faithful” and does not speak on behalf of the church.
Cardinal Francis George of Chicago, president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, said in a statement on Friday (Feb. 5) that “serious questions” have been raised about New Ways Ministry’s “adherence to church teaching on homosexuality.”
“No one should be misled by the claim that New Ways Ministry provides an authentic interpretation of Catholic teaching and an authentic Catholic pastoral practice,” George said. “Their claim to be Catholic only confuses the faithful regarding the authentic teaching and ministry of the church with respect to persons with a homosexual inclination.”
New Ways, which was founded in 1977 and based in Mt. Rainier, Md., calls itself a “gay-positive ministry of advocacy and justice for lesbian and gay Catholics.” It keeps track of “gay friendly” parishes and colleges, runs retreats, and works for gay and lesbian inclusion in the church.
As George noted in his statement, New Ways was denied official authorization by the archbishop of Washington in 1984, and two of its former leaders were barred by the Vatican in 1999 from associating with the group or working with gays and lesbians.
Recently, George said, New Ways has “criticized efforts by the Church to defend the traditional definition of marriage as between one man and one woman and has urged Catholics to support electoral initiatives to establish same-sex `marriage.”‘
Last March, New Ways’ executive director Francis DeBernardo testified before the Maryland House of Delegates against a proposed measure that would have banned same-sex marriage.
“We’ve pointed out that Catholics in polls are consistently in favor of same-sex marriage,” DeBernardo said in an interview. “I didn’t ever claim to speak for the church, which is what (George) claims.”
According to a 2009 poll conducted by ABC News and The Washington Post, white Catholics are evenly split on same-sex marriage, with 46 percent in favor of legalizing it and 47 percent against. In 2006, just a third of white Catholics supported same-sex marriage.
DeBernardo said New Ways plans to speak with the USCCB, but otherwise the ministry will be unchanged by George’s statement. “It won’t affect our ministry at all,” he said.
– Daniel Burke
Copyright 2010 Religion News Service. All rights reserved. No part of this transmission may be distributed or reproduced without written permission.



  • pagansister

    “Confuses the faithful” ??? Does George think the “faithful” are totally stupid?? Or he wishes they were, so he (and the RCC0 could continue to attempt control of those “faithful”.

  • JohnQ

    pagansister-
    How else would Catholics know what to think if the bishops don’t tell them?
    Growing up with most of my aunts. uncles, and cousins Catholic….it certainly appeared to me that Catholics were waiting to be told what to think. Most of my cousins are still Catholic……but, they have figured out that they can think for themselves.
    So yes, I think +George does think the faithful stupid.
    Peace!

  • pagansister

    JohnQ:
    Having taught for 10 years in the RC school environment, I met the “thinking” Catholics and still some who seemed to wait to be told everything (faithful sheep).
    George is probably the “old style” boss Catholic, since he has made it to the top of the heap (kissed up to the right folks) and thus thinks he is now ALL POWERFUL. The world has been and is changing, and priests his age (guessing 60 plus…but have no idea)having been “trained” to think the lowly sheep are to not question, must now spout his “wisdom” …actually continuing to help hold the RCC back. Benny will be pleased…

  • Jon Young

    Anderson Cooper CNN 360 is gay and have a Left Wing agenda on the 10 American/Cristian Missionaries in a Haitian Prison? Is your donations to a Haiti Charity fund keeping them in a Haitian Prison? Who is going to pay for the upkeep of these Hostages? The Obama White House Haiti Fund, Bill Clinton Haiti Foundation, The American Tax payer, are any other charity you send money too help Haiti? These American/Christian is facing prison in the poorest country in our hemisphere.
    Google Anderson Cooper
    Google: Eastern Bloc, A Gay Bar in NYC.

  • http://heyitsjustablogman.blogspot.com/ Ted

    The Catholic way in no wise discriminates against people with homosexual inclinations and appetites. She calls them in precisely the way She calls those with heterosexual appetites, or any other variety of carnal appetites to the same thing.
    The. Same. Thing.
    That is as non-discriminatory as you can get.
    Live virtuously. Live by truth. That is Her call to all persons, at all times, in all places.

  • shadow_man

    So now, this guy is being bigoted against his own religious people? He thinks his way of thinking is the only way? They try to force their beliefs on their own religious community, and denounce them when the that religious portion has different views. This shows how intolerant anti-gay religious people are.

  • pagansister

    Jon……GET A LIFE!

  • pagansister

    Ted,
    The RCC is all about control…..and the fact that some in the RCC dare to realize that homosexuality ISN’T a sin afterall, but just part of life, makes the Big Dudes upset…they don’t like to lose….control. If they haven’t realized that there is a lot of things like “artificial birth control” is being used, that RC men and women do live together “out of wedlock” and divorce is taking place, as well as other “sinful” things are happening, then they need to open their shaded eyes! The world is changing and the church needs to adapt.

  • cknuck

    pagan why would you tell Jon to get a life? They are doing no more or less than you.
    That is a wish and tactic of homosexual advocates to confuse the public into thinking that homosexuality is wholesome.

  • pagansister

    Did you happen to notice, cknuck, that Jon has an agenda, which seems to be…slander Anderson Cooper…I didn’t see much else that made sense in his post here and on another post in this section, close to this one, about Haiti. IF he had some point besides saying Anderson Cooper is gay, I certainly didn’t notice. Do I care if Cooper might be gay? NO. Does anyone else (perhaps besides you), probably not.

  • JohnQ

    pagansister-
    Of course there are many people who care if Anderson Cooper is gay. Obviously (in their minds) he is some how not capable of doing his job if he is gay.
    Do you ever wonder why so many men, leading straight lifestyles, seem to obsess about gay men?
    Peace!

  • nnmns

    If you watch a gay person on tv you become gay. It’s hard to understand how being gay spread before the invention of tv, but now if you watch a gay person on tv you become gay. Is that how it works, Jon? Was tv invented by the gays to spread gayness?
    And cknuck, I’m sure you’ve watched someone gay on tv. I suspect your fear of gays springs from your fear you are gay or are becoming gay.
    Well relax guys, I’m quite sure it’s not that easy. In fact I suspect you have to be born with it.

  • Mordred08

    Ted:
    “The Catholic way in no wise discriminates against people with homosexual inclinations and appetites. She calls them in precisely the way She calls those with heterosexual appetites, or any other variety of carnal appetites to the same thing.”
    Problem is Catholics, like many Christians, believe people with homosexual inclinations only have appetites. As opposed to people with heterosexual inclinations, who are capable of forming genuine non-deviant relationships. Now, believing that is one thing. I can ignore another person’s beliefs; doesn’t hurt me one bit. But trying to make that a part of the American legal system, as the Church has done before? That sounds like discrimination to me.

  • cknuck

    JohnQ quote, “Do you ever wonder why so many men, leading straight lifestyles, seem to obsess about gay men?”
    No but I have noticed just the opposite.
    nnmns what do you do while you fanaticize about me having “fears?” I don’t know one person who objects to homosexual behavior who is fearful. Mythbuster.

  • nnmns

    Step one to dealing with your fears, cknuck, is admitting you have them.

  • Henrietta22

    I think the real reason so many anti-gay men speak out against gay men is that now they are very visable in all walks of professions and they don’t want to admit how outstanding they are. They would rather that they be sort of like themselves, not too outstanding, and not so intelligent.

  • http://heyitsjustablogman.blogspot.com/ Ted

    Self-centered: One who uses his free will by giving his yes or no based on what is DESIRED from reality.
    Truth-centered: One who uses his free will by giving his yes or no based on what is KNOWN from reality.
    Reality demonstrates that reproduction is the object of sexual activity. Although homosexual behavior may be DESIRED by some, it is not consistent with what is KNOWN from reality. The call to behave in truth according to what reality demonstrates therefore precludes homosexual activity.
    Homosexual activity ignores the reality (the nature) of reproduction being the goal of sexual activity. It is therefore unnatural.

  • Ted

    Response to pagansister February 9, 2010 2:51 PM
    The RCC is all about control
    (WRONG – It is about freely submitting to demonstrable truth)
    ….and the fact that some in the RCC dare to realize that homosexuality ISN’T a sin afterall,
    (WRONG- Homosexual activity is always sinful – where did you get the idea you could proclaim someting non-sinful? are you the God who made all things?)
    but just part of life, makes the Big Dudes upset…they don’t like to lose….control.
    (WRONG- Homo desires are part of some lives, but that does not “upset” the “big dudes”. They deal with all manner of irrational behaviors,(sins) homsexuality is just another one. RE: “lose Control” your control argument is invalid and was rebutted already
    If they haven’t realized that there is a lot of things like “artificial birth control” is being used, that RC men and women do live together “out of wedlock” and divorce is taking place, as well as other “sinful” things are happening, then they need to open their shaded eyes!
    Eyes are open, “they” do know these things. However, they also know that there are many that call themselves RC, who are in-fact lying to themselves and others as they freely left the RCC when they embraced their mortal sins, and they know it. They try to cover their shame by claiming to be members in good standing, but they are not. By calling evil good, they only fool themselves and those who share their shame. Nothing is changed by their self-deception.
    The world is changing and the church needs to adapt.
    (The RCC has been adapting it’s message of truth to this changing world for 2000 years. So far, when they disagree, the world has always been proven wrong, and the truth proclaimed by the RCC continues it’s victory march through time.)
    Veritas Vincit Omnia

  • pagansister

    Ted:
    “Are you the God who made all things.” No, I’m a THINKING woman who doesn’t have a divine being telling me what to do, or it’s representatives. I don’t submit to a group of men who feel they are superior. BTW, my parents “made me”.
    The other paragraphs you answered are based on a set of beliefs that I do not share and you obviously think are true. Good for you. Just because the RCC has been around for 2000 years doesn’t mean anything. Many religions have been around that long…and many much longer. The RCC has been proven right? Since when? The whole thing is based on no proof…a book written many years after the subject (JC) was dead. Stories have been copied and recopied and translated so many times that it is a wonder that folks still think it is true. Obviously those (divinely inspired!) folks would add and subtract things to make their points look better. Sorry,I so totally disagree with your assertions, but you obviously have a right to believe them. IT is the USA…
    Keep an eye on your priests.

  • pagansister

    Oh, Ted. “Sin”, that often used word is a technique to help threaten those that don’t follow the “rules”.(once again with the control thing). It is a word used by many denominations, not just the RCC, as I’m sure you are aware. It helps make homosexual men and women feel guilty for being who they are… loving adults who want the same thing heterosexuals want… to love and be loved and form a committment with another adult. certainly can’t tell me that heterosexuals are superior examples of life long committments. In the RCC you can have an “annulment” to say that someone really wasn’t ready for those vows, thus they were never married? Now that is irrational. I could go on and one, but there is just tooo much ridiculas stuff to go on.
    You consider those that aren’t following the path are deceiving themselves…guess what? They’ve gotten beyond the dictatorship of the RCC and realize their divine being loves them. That’s called thinking, not self deception.

  • Your Name

    “Leading U.S. Catholic Bishop Denounces Gay Group”
    This is ‘news’ … HOW exactly?

  • nnmns

    “Reality demonstrates that reproduction is the object of sexual activity.”
    There’s a real laugher. Reality demonstrates that sexual activity is fun. And it’s that fun that causes people to have sex and, in many cases, reproduce. And since there’s no shortage of people reproducing, it’s perfectly fine if some people engage in sex with no chance of reproducing. In fact my wife and I do it as often as we can.
    Grow up and smell the coffee kiddies.
    But any old married people who are arguing that marriage is only for reproduction, it’s time you file for divorce because you are putting the lie to your argument every minute you stay married.

  • cknuck

    Great motto to past down to our kids nnmns.
    “Reality demonstrates that sexual activity is fun.”

  • Confessoressa

    The RCC is really all about perpetuating myth and many within the religion do use it to control. I have nothing against this guy stating that the group is not following Catholic doctrine. If someone is misrepresenting your group, by all means, call them out.
    That said, it is very important for religious officials to stay out of my life and away from my liberties.
    If a Muslim cleric were attempting to institute Sharia law into our legal system, I would be just as enraged as I am when a Christian attempts to control me with his or her religious theology.
    If more in the predominate religion of our culture would do the same, wow…wouldn’t it be nice to have that respect. Sorry, lost in a cloud of bliss for a moment.
    Homosexual activity practiced between two consenting adults should NOT be controled by those who practice a religion that condemns it, including the Catholic Church. Want to control the willing sheep? Fine. Want to control the rest of us? Not cool.
    I will decide what is a sin for myself. If I come up with a different answer than the Catholic Church then go ahead and condemn me. Frankly, your opinion isn’t under consideration. But back off when you decide your opinion on sin is going to rule the land.
    If only more people would understand this distinction.
    And yes, as society permits every adult to commit to another adult in the construct of marriage, it will lose more and more of its stigma. To some that is bad, to others like myself, it is welcome. Cultural evolution is part and parcel of being among humanity.
    In my opinion, the only reason homosexuality is seen as sinful is because of stigma perpetuated throughout the centuries.
    Commitment and sexuality among nonconsenting people should be controlled by our government. What is happening in our society today is an attempt to keep a religiously motivated law in control of all Americans.
    It is no different than trying to institute Sharia law and if any of our founders had been Muslim we’d be hearing quotes spewed back in forth about how we are a Muslim country. The fact that Christianity has been a dominant religion in our culture does not make it appropriate to institute Christianity-based beliefs into law. If they protect the freedom of the individual and agree with good common sense, that’s great, and many rules in many religions do just that. Of course they do, they were created to deal with the human condition, in my opinion.
    Scary when people decide their religion is something I must follow.
    Very, very scary.
    Pray for me if you will, but take one step in front of the path I have chosen and you, my friend, have crossed the line.
    By the way, latin is cool! I would suggest some of the arguments here are as dead as the language.

  • pagansister

    WELL said, Confessoressa, Very Well said!

  • Henrietta22

    Clear as a bell, the Liberty bell, Confessoressa!

  • SFer

    You nailed it exactly, Confessoressa.

  • nnmns

    Well said indeed.

  • nnmns

    cknuck:

    Great motto to past down to our kids nnmns.

    “Reality demonstrates that sexual activity is fun.”

    I’m sorry if sex isn’t fun for you cknuck, though that might explain a lot.
    Anyway sex is a lot of fun for most people and that’s why they do it and that’s how we reproduce.
    As for talking to children, that wasn’t the issue at hand. Ted made a claim demonstrating his misunderstanding of why most people (and animals) have sex and I was setting the record straight. If a child asked me if sex was fun I would not lie and say it’s not but I might try to avoid the issue. And I could honestly say sex persists because species that engage in it procreate that way. And there are whole books about the advantages and I suppose disadvantages of sexual reproduction as opposed to other methods. By that time the kid might have lost interest.
    But you hate me so this is of no interest to you except maybe to try to use it against me.
    Get a good night’s sleep, cknucky. You really need it.

  • cknuck

    confess may have nailed something but it wasn’t the truth. Homosexuality is unproductive a vanity of people who want to be something other than what they are. I have more respect for homosexuals who say they don’t care than for those who falsely claim God created homosexuals. There is no proof that it is anything more than an abnormal behavior.

  • nnmns

    Didn’t “God” create everything? Even the Devil? Whatever caused people to be born the way they are, according to your fable it all goes back to “God”. Or even the things that happen to them later, it all goes back to “God”.
    By believing in an all-powerful, all-knowing god you’ve boxed yourself into a corner cknuck.
    You might as well admit it, it’s all “God”‘s fault.

  • Confessoressa

    And that,
    nnmns, is the giant elephant in the room for many who believe in the biblical “God”. If humans did what “God” did, they would be viewed as abhorrant but when “God” does those things…well, He has his reasons.
    That’s not good enough for me. It seems like a control tactic and a poor magician’s trick. I don’t mind people like cknuck believing different from me…what I object to is implementing those beliefs into my life. It is the height of arrogance.
    People like cknuck think if they say they beliefs with emphasis, over and over again, or (I particularly like this tactic) in LATIN (*giggle*) it makes it more believable.
    It doesn’t.
    There are many Christians, Pagans, Muslims, Jews, and Hindus that have no problem practicing their religion right along me practicing mine. I call those people my friends.

  • cknuck

    nnmns God did not create sin anymore than He created transvestites or the so-called transsexual. Stop lying about God nnmns.

  • nnmns

    “God is all-powerful.”
    “God is all-knowing.”
    “God created the universe and heaven and everything in them.”
    Tell us which of those statements you don’t believe, cknuck. There’d better be at least one because put together they unequivocally mean everything traces back to “God”.

  • pagansister

    cknuck, how can nnmns lie about someone he doesn’t even believe in?
    Also, cknuck, how in the world can you say God created everything in the whole wide world…including the world itself, I guess, and still say there are some she/he didn’t create? Makes no sense. Either she/he did or she/he didn’t. Can’t have it both ways, Dude.
    Sure, she/he didn’t create “sin”? I still say….can’t have it both ways. Bet “sin” was a creation of some early human wanting a bit of authority in some religious setting and figured control came easier with punishment involved for those that didn’t conform.

  • Mordred08

    “Homosexuality is unproductive a vanity of people who want to be something other than what they are. I have more respect for homosexuals who say they don’t care than for those who falsely claim God created homosexuals. There is no proof that it is anything more than an abnormal behavior.”
    cknuck, why isn’t it vanity to claim that some all powerful being is watching over us, and that you and a “persecuted” minority have a special understanding of its true nature and its plans for humanity? And that those of us who don’t acknowledge this all powerful being as you would have us do, will be tormented for all eternity because “Jesus loves you”? That takes way more vanity than saying “I’m a man/woman who’s attracted to other men/women, and I don’t see anything wrong with that.”

  • Henrietta22

    Ted, did you learn what you believe about men and women in your last posts at your mothers knee, or from a Priest? My family stressed the relationship between grown-ups was all about the love they felt for each other. Anything sexual came from this love connection, or not at all. So if Gay people are so born to love someone of their same gender that’s the way it is supposed to be. Cknuck is right about everything came from God, but gets lost in interpretation with his fundamentalism. It’s a deep subject that most people will argue their own points with others over. Since politics is the other deep subject that people will become unreasonable with it is better to keep religion and politics seperate, certainly in our government.

  • cknuck

    pagan quote, “cknuck, how can nnmns lie about someone he doesn’t even believe in?”
    You really ought to think about things before you push the enter key; can you say motive?
    nnmns God did create intelligence but did he create the bomb? No He didn’t create computers, cars, or pollution. I know you say you don’t believe but you’ve got to be able to process these simple elements. It’s elementary.

  • pagansister

    “You really ought to think about things before you push the enter key”. cknuck
    Agreed. Have you followed your own advice?

  • cknuck

    concerning what pagan?

  • pagansister

    concerning pushing the “enter” key…your comment made in the post on Feb. 14 at 7:04 PM. I think about things before I “enter”…you were wondering if I did, I guess in your statement above. cknuck.

  • Juliet

    This problem is always talked about by LGBT. I have read many articles about it. Gay marriage has been accepted by most of people. It would be really nice. and I am as a bisexual here show my gratitude for your being so open-minde. “What about adopting a child for us?” is always the popular quesiton for LBGT, espcially for bisexual at __B i m i n g l e . c o m__. There is no dout that we all love the world, love the children, and do not mean to hurt anybody. Hopefully, everybody can accept us.

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