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WASHINGTON (RNS) Progressive religious leaders on Tuesday (Feb. 2) unveiled plans to hold a multi-city event to protest Thursday’s National Prayer Breakfast because of its sponsor’s alleged ties to an anti-gay bill in Uganda.
The alternative American Prayer Hour will take place in 17 cities, including Washington, Dallas and Chicago, as an “affirmation of inclusive values and a celebration of diversity,” according to organizers.
Meanwhile, gay rights leaders close to the White House — including a member of President Obama’s faith advisory council, and the gay bishop who prayed at his star-studded inaugural concert — are lobbying the White House to use Obama’s platform at the breakfast to denounce the Uganda law.
“You may rest assured that we are using every opportunity to talk to members of the (White House) staff and urge them to use strong language to speak out on this issue,” said Harry Knox, who directs the religion program at the pro-gay Human Rights Campaign and also is a member of the President’s Advisory Council on Faith-based and Neighborhood Partnerships.
“We’re not surprised that the president wanted to continue the trend of every president speaking at the prayer breakfast,” Knox said in an interview. “But we thought it was important that he recognize that his attendance has great power — that the event can be redeemed, frankly.”
Since Dwight Eisenhower in 1953, presidents have attended and usually addressed the National Prayer Breakfast. Last year, Obama unveiled his revamped faith-based office at the event. But the annual breakfast, which is usually closed to the public and filled with Washington powerbrokers, has been mired in controversy in recent years.
The event is sponsored and run by a secretive international organization of conservative Christians called the Family — also known as the Fellowship — which counts a number of world leaders, including U.S. senators and congressmen, as members.
In recent months, members of the Family have been accused of exporting the American culture wars to Uganda and inspiring its proposed Anti-Homosexuality Bill, which would severely criminalize homosexual acts and punish gay rights advocates. Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni and David Bahati, the member of parliament who introduced the bill, are both members of the Family, according to Jeff Sharlet, whose book “The Family” investigated the international group.
Bob Hunter, a member of the Family who has worked closely with Ugandans, has called the bill “terrible” in an interview on National Public Radio, and said “no one that I know, in America particularly, and my close friends in Uganda, I know of no one who supports it in the Fellowship.”
Still, the Family has not officially denounced the bill, and did not return repeated requests for clarification of their role in its development.
The White House said Obama plans to attend the prayer breakfast, but declined to comment on the controversy surrounding the event.
At a press conference announcing the American Prayer Hour on Tuesday, a number of progressive faith leaders castigated the Ugandan bill and sharply rebuked the Family for its purported role in promoting it.
“It is time that they take responsibility for lighting fires that now they cannot control,” said the Rt. Rev. V. Gene Robinson, the openly gay Episcopal bishop of New Hampshire who prayed at Obama’s inaugural ceremonies and advised Obama on gay rights during the 2008 campaign.
Also at the press conference, a gay man from Uganda spoke of the rejection, harassment, and violence gays and lesbians face in his country. Identified as “Moses,” the man wore a paper bag over his head for fear of retribution. He said he had been beaten at school, fired from his job, and raped by a policeman because he is gay.
“One would rather die than come out of the closet,” the man said.
Robinson said it is too late to ask the president to boycott the prayer breakfast, but he has lobbied Obama’s faith-based office to include a forceful support for gay rights in the president’s address.
“I am encouraged and hopeful that we will see the fruits on Thursday,” Robinson said. “I rather he go to the prayer breakfast and use it as a platform to denounce this attack on LGBT people.”
By DANIEL BURKE
c. 2010 Religion News Service
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Bill

posted February 2, 2010 at 6:01 pm


Christians have blood on their hands. And it ain’t Christ’s.



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Liberals nonsense

posted February 2, 2010 at 6:32 pm


The business that America is “exporting it’s culture wars” is nonsense. Why? The only places where one sees these type laws are at geographical interfaces between Islam and Christianity such as Nigeria and Uganda. If the bad conservatives in America are exporting their values, why isn’t it happening in South Africa, Brazil, Argentina, etc., where laws are being relaxed?
And speaking of Obama, how come it has taken so long to choose a church? Like most “liberal Christians”, church is a social function that shouldn’t interfere with other social functions.



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Your Name

posted February 2, 2010 at 6:45 pm


Why is it so important for the Gay people to be open, if being under attack? Where is the Body of Christ’s stand on this Issue, and why is the Body of Christ sitting back and not fighting for the truth of God!



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Nj

posted February 2, 2010 at 6:48 pm


Is it Jugdment time yet! So many issues! Did the President realized what hw was in for?



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pagansister

posted February 2, 2010 at 7:07 pm


YN:
Maybe the Body and it’s God took a break. Actually, why does your God care? He/she made us who we are, according to some part of it’s holy book….first one…Genesis. Oh, why is it important for “straight” people to be open? That makes as much sense as your question about Gay people. Neither one is superior to another…all are under the heading of “human beings”.



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nnmns

posted February 2, 2010 at 7:15 pm


President Obama was left a giant platter with steaming piles of several kinds of excrement by the Republicans. Economy in tatters, fighting two wars (one a giant mistake) without raising the taxes needed to pay for them, federal budget busted by tax cuts that mainly served the rich, incompetents all through the federal departments that are supposed to be serving and protecting us and so on.
You are right Nj, who could have expected it to be that bad?
Now as to this “prayer” breakfast. He laid it on the Nobel committee when he accepted his award. He really should lay it on these no-goods. Better yet, he should establish the precedent that presidents don’t go to such nonsense events.



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cknuck

posted February 2, 2010 at 8:09 pm


Many people in the U.S. can’t handle God’s truth concerning homosexuality. God did not create homosexuality or any other variation or heterosexuality they are the produce of man’s imaginations and sin.



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pagansister

posted February 2, 2010 at 9:58 pm


cknuck, You make me laugh. “God did not create homosexuality etc.” Guess the Bible is wrong, it says GOD created everydarn thing…including MAN and as an after thought, WOMAN. Well, guess what? Since life began there has been homosexual men and women as well as heterosexual men and women. That’s life, My Friend, that’s life. There is no wrong in 2 adults loving each other….no matter what gender combination. No, I expect you to not agree, and I don’t care. Love is precious…and when one finds love, go for it. No god in his/her right mind would condemn that. (maybe your god isn’t in his/her right mind…who knows?)



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nnmns

posted February 2, 2010 at 10:04 pm


Yes and there are various other species with homosexual individuals. Do those species have imagination and sin like humans cknuck?
Over and over it’s the same thing with you, and not a productive or attractive thing but a nagging, spiteful thing. cknuck you and your ilk give Christianity a bad name.



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Your Name

posted February 3, 2010 at 12:28 am


I’ve come to believe that cknuck is either a fool or someone playing the fool to get a rise out of others. He’s either a really horrible person or a person who has learned how to push all the right buttons to get a reaction. Either way, he should be ignored. If he is a fool, there’s no hope for him; if he’s playing a game, why bother plsying with him?
Interesting historical note: Charles Lwanga in a canonized saint in the Catholic Church. He was martyred with other young men, Catholic and Anglican, for refusing to submit to a Ugandan king’s homosexual lust (if the stories are to be believed). Homosexuality, far from being an European import, is part and parcel of Ugandan history and tradition.



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Marlon Mulumba

posted February 3, 2010 at 10:02 am


While we in Uganda accept that we can never understand the level of social acceptance of homosexuality that the western world largely embraces and wants to impose on us, we also acknowledge our right of refusal.
we have long been the unwilling pawns of colonial abuse and now globalisation. I say to all (and only) you overbearing and insensitive people, we in Uganda have about had it. We don’t prescribe to you what is or should be acceptable to you in your countries. You obviously still want to do that to us! HEY STOP! I would like to hear you say incest is now not criminal! Then move on to bestiality. Don’t leave out multiple marriage partners or even pedophilia! However messed up you get in your own cage, well, we’ll bemusedly look on and even applaud your social sophistication if it makes you happy. But don’t try selling such lightly disguised evil here. we don’t care how you dress it. the outer garb doesn’t alter the inner foul. your rhetoric and classical spin won’t hit traction in Uganda. please go away from this. let Ugandans decide whats good for them. if this means you play your sanctions card against us, hey good luck to you and your mama. Uganda is the food basket of the world. we prefer to keep our God given values, defend our sovereignty and be heterosexually anchored than to have spittle and crumbs from you haters. Besides, show me one ass-kissing country that ever benefited by betraying its people to the western world! Beware you mass-hypnotists, i am soon to be president of Uganda!!



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nnmns

posted February 3, 2010 at 11:19 am


MM I guess you haven’t noticed that Christianity is a western religion more nearly “imposed” on you than tolerance of homosexuality. And of course Islam is a Middle Eastern religion that was imposed on many Africans by the sword.
So if you want to get upset at foreign impositions look to your churches and mosques. Homosexuals don’t take your money every week, churches do. Homosexuals don’t try to run your governments, religions do.
Wake up, man. Whoever you are.



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cknuck

posted February 3, 2010 at 12:51 pm


pagan you are stating facts not in evidence to promote your cause; first of all there is absolutely no proof than homosexuality has been around forever anymore than there is proof people are born homosexual. The bible does not say that God created “everydarn thing” the last thing the bible records God created is woman, not a lesbian women or a homosexual man. The truth is hard to handle for those who would lie for their purposes.



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Tom

posted February 3, 2010 at 1:22 pm


The Family conjures up ominous undertones in my mind, kind of like The Outfit or The Syndicate, but perhaps that’s because I’m corrupted by pop culture.
He said he had been beaten at school, fired from his job, and raped by a policeman because he is gay.
If he was raped in this case, then wouldn’t it be because the policeman was gay??  Granted I don’t know all there is to know about the sociopathic mind, but I’m not sure I understand how his being gay had anything to do with the policeman’s motive for raping him.  If anything, one might conclude his being gay would deter such a course of action from the policeman, seeing as how rapists supposedly derive arrousal from humiliatling their victims, and the victim’s sexual orientation could conceivably mitigate his displeasure with the act itself.  I sincerely don’t mean to be disrespectful or make light of this, but perhaps someone with a more thorough understanding of the subject matter can explain it to me.



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pagansister

posted February 3, 2010 at 2:23 pm


cknuck, there is no proof of your claims either, as far as I can see. And I’ll stick by my statement of homosexuality being around forever. It is not a new “invention” at all. Was god supposed to say: ” I have now created a straight man and woman and will now create a homosexual man and woman?” Give me a break! Since absolutely no one has any idea what really happened…how could they write that holy book? No ONE was there…it’s all made up, cknuck. No TV, no recordings were made, No digital cameras, or little people writing what they saw. (after all they were just created and writing wasn’t invented yet). THE book is a farce!
BTW, if your god didn’t make every darn thing, who did? I thought he/she was/is a Super Being…with all kinds of magic powers. Who made birds, trees, slime, etc. if not your Creator? Backtracking a bit there?



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pagansister

posted February 3, 2010 at 2:29 pm


MM:
Let’s put it this way, your country isn’t my first choice of a place to vacation.
“The Family”? Sounds like the Mafia. Do they have enforcers too?



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nnmns

posted February 3, 2010 at 2:48 pm


ck, people haven’t been around “forever”. But there’s a long list of mammals observed to include members with homosexual behavior. There are also fish, insects, etc.
It includes our close cousins the bonobos but not our other close cousins the chimps. Very possibly it happens in chimps but hasn’t been observed. But the point is it happens in a LOT of animals. A very few of the others it includes are: buffalo, dolphins, lions, bears, whales and foxes. It goes on and on.
So it’s a natural thing and there’s probably an evolutionary reason why it happens; I believe hypotheses about that have been advanced.
As for your “The bible does not say” argument, the Bible (it’s a book; capitalize it) has nothing to do with reality in the world as evidenced by this list of contradictions in the Bible, one of many such lists available. For you to claim the Bible has factual information to tell us is just to put the Bible up for examination, a thing fundamentalist Christians like you should studiously avoid because it shows just how rotten are the foundations of your beliefs.



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cknuck

posted February 3, 2010 at 5:16 pm


nnmns those animals also sniff each others private parts in public would you have us pattern ourselves after all their behaviors?



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cknuck

posted February 3, 2010 at 5:26 pm


pagan whatever God did not make, man made. the one gift given to us that sometimes keep us from being humble is creativity, in which we pursue vanity.



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JohnQ

posted February 3, 2010 at 6:44 pm


Marlon Mulumba-
The clammer of Uganda’s perspective on homosexuality is not about whether or not the Ugandan government accepts homosexuals as equal to heterosexuals but rather over the proposed legislation that would prescribe the death for homosexuals in Uganda.
Peace!



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JohnQ

posted February 3, 2010 at 6:54 pm


cknuck-
Would you go ahead and cite evidence that humans are born heterosexual? You continual state that there is no evidence that people are born gay..but, I have yet to see anything that indicates they are born straight.
I think it is far more likely that all men are born bi-sexual. Some choose to live our lives the way God made us and others reject God’s handiwork and choose to lead a straight lifestyle. While other choose to a life of discrimination and harassment….and even death in some countries. I mean are you not an advocate for the theory that sexual is a choice?
Peace!



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pagansister

posted February 3, 2010 at 6:57 pm


“the one gift given to us that sometimes keep us from being humble is creativity,in which we pursue vanity.” cknuck
Wow, that was “deep”. I’m impressed. What it has to do with what I said I don’t know.



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nnmns

posted February 3, 2010 at 10:27 pm


ck the point is made that many species include homosexuals so it’s natural. And among humans its natural. What’s “animal” is to make them suffer solely for the way they were born. Like you want to do.



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Mordred08

posted February 3, 2010 at 11:06 pm


“perhaps someone with a more thorough understanding of the subject matter can explain it to me.”
Well, Tom, since no one has stepped up to give you the schooling you so desperately need, I guess it’s up to me.
“If he was raped in this case, then wouldn’t it be because the policeman was gay??”
Rape isn’t about sex. Rape is about dominating someone.
“I’m not sure I understand how his being gay had anything to do with the policeman’s motive for raping him.”
Maybe it didn’t. Maybe the cop raped him because he didn’t like the color of shirt he was wearing. Maybe he was fired and beaten for his shirt too. Violent people don’t really need a good excuse to be violent. But the man certainly seems to believe it was his sexual orientation that made him a target, and from what I’ve heard about Uganda and their attitudes towards gays, I’m inclined to believe him.
“If anything, one might conclude his being gay would deter such a course of action from the policeman, seeing as how rapists supposedly derive arrousal from humiliatling their victims, and the victim’s sexual orientation could conceivably mitigate his displeasure with the act itself.”
You might conclude that, if due to reasons I won’t speculate upon (that would just be rude) your mind couldn’t comprehend the idea of how humiliating (not to mention painful, frightening, disgusting, shameful, etc.) being forced into sex against your will could be.
“I sincerely don’t mean to be disrespectful or make light of this”
I really hope that is the case, and I mean that in all sincerity. I really hope that you simply have some condition that hinders your ability to empathize with victims of violence. Otherwise, I’d be forced to conclude that you yourself were a sociopath.



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Mordred08

posted February 3, 2010 at 11:13 pm


cknuck, why do you have to hate on animals so much? We’re not as superior to them as you’d like to think. At least those animals don’t kill each other for smelling the wrong private parts. Nature is cruel, but at least it’s honest about it, unlike most humans.



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cknuck

posted February 4, 2010 at 2:35 am


mordred quote, “At least those animals don’t kill each other for smelling the wrong private parts”
Mordred, something you want to talk about?



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Henrietta22

posted February 4, 2010 at 6:24 pm


At the National Prayer Breakfast, President Obama and Sec. of State Clinton spoke out against religious-based discrimination against GLBT, including the Uganda Bill that calls for imprisonment and execution of gay people. I bet a lot of people there looked down at their plates at that point.



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nnmns

posted February 4, 2010 at 7:15 pm


Good for them!



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Mordred08

posted February 4, 2010 at 7:46 pm


“President Obama and Sec. of State Clinton spoke out against religious-based discrimination against GLBT, including the Uganda Bill that calls for imprisonment and execution of gay people. I bet a lot of people there looked down at their plates at that point.”
Call me cynical, but I’m just waiting to see how long it takes for someone to accuse Obama of being a white racist imperialist who wants to bring back slavery or whatever.



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cknuck

posted February 5, 2010 at 2:47 am


say no to drugs mordred



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cknuck

posted February 5, 2010 at 3:12 am


It true killing anyone for homosexuality is wrong but homosexuality is not a good father role. We really have not fully seen the results of homosexual parenting. I have not met healthy adult children of homosexuals as of yet. In general I do not see healthy sexual behavior among the young. Mental health concerns are on the rise, currently we are a weak and shallow nation. Keep your heads in the dirt if you must but homosexuality is unproductive and heterosexuality is as it is modeled at present is not much better.



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JohnQ

posted February 5, 2010 at 5:47 am


cknuck-
Homosexuals have been raising children for millennium. Just because you may have been unaware….just because you have not met any does not change the facts. I have never met any healthy adult children of Eskimos…that does not mean they don’t exist.
I am relieved to know that you think killing homosexuals is wrong.
Parenting has nothing to do with sexual orientation. It has to do with love, guidance, dedication, willingness, desire, and commitment.
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Marlon Mulumba

posted February 5, 2010 at 6:12 am


While we in Uganda accept that we can never understand the level of social acceptance of homosexuality that the western world largely embraces and wants to impose on us, we also acknowledge our right of refusal.
we have long been the unwilling pawns of colonial abuse and now globalisation. I say to all (and only) you overbearing and insensitive people, we in Uganda have about had it. We don’t prescribe to you what is or should be acceptable to you in your countries. You obviously still want to do that to us! HEY STOP! I would like to hear you say incest is now not criminal! Then move on to bestiality. Don’t leave out multiple marriage partners or even pedophilia! However messed up you get in your own cage, well, we’ll bemusedly look on and even applaud your social sophistication if it makes you happy. But don’t try selling such lightly disguised evil here. we don’t care how you dress it. the outer garb doesn’t alter the inner foul. your rhetoric and classical spin won’t hit traction in Uganda. please go away from this. let Ugandans decide whats good for them. if this means you play your sanctions card against us, hey good luck to you and your mama. Uganda is the food basket of the world. we prefer to keep our God given values, defend our sovereignty and be heterosexually anchored than to have spittle and crumbs from you haters. Besides, show me one ass-kissing country that ever benefited by betraying its people to the western world! Beware you mass-hypnotists, i am soon to be president of Uganda!!



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Marlon Mulumba

posted February 5, 2010 at 6:41 am


Whatever you say, you have to contextualize. Stop hating on us Ugandans because we want to keep our house as clean as we can. Let up on your interference! There is a limit to how warped we can be to dance to your financial tunes! We don’t want to have gays and we are setting a pre-emptive barrier to the inundation of twisted values you and hollywood are bombarding Africa and Uganda with. Why do you have prisons and laws in your countries? Who taught Uganda how to structure governance, how to generate laws, religion etc, etc? You guys! However, we paid (and continue to pay)a steep price for your selfish wonderlust and greed. We have been fed on the thin ice theory that the west have the moral authority to deliver prescription for the cultural constitution and tolerance of our societies just because you steal our wealth and hoodwink our leaders with pittance handouts. Hey, you make your bed, you sleep in it. You taught us that too. Live in your socially liberal societies where you can gracefully massage your collective conscious with devilish rhetoric about right or wrong. Leave uganda to the ugandans and keep your blood money if that’s your only leverage. One day, we shall demand that you repay the wealth you stole from africa, afterall, you have also taught us that crimes do not expire! History is littered with examples of people making matters worse by being involved in something they don t really understand. Long live clean Uganda! Long live Africa!



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nnmns

posted February 5, 2010 at 7:55 am


A country is not “clean” when mobs can kill whomever they want with government sanction. Such a country is about as dirty as a country can get. That’s like Germany before WWII and is comparable, though different, to the South during Jim Crow.
Now Marlon I Googled your name and found only one reference to the name you are using. If you are soon to be President of Uganda you have a long, long way to go.
I’d echo an earlier post and say Marlon, say “no” to drugs.



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Rob the Rev

posted February 5, 2010 at 9:42 am


A truly inclusive, interfaith, eccumenical alternative prayer breakfast to replace the fundi “Nat’l Prayer Breakfast” sponsored by the fundi secretive cult organization called “The Family” is needed.
Religious Leaders Urge Obama to Condemn Ugandan Anti-Gay Bill at Prayer Breakfast
By Sarah Posner
February 3, 2010
“As more activists call attention to the activities of The Fellowship, or The Family, the secretive fundamentalist powerhouse whose National Prayer Breakfast (NPB) is this Thursday, a group of religious leaders has launched an alternative American Prayer Hour to condemn The Family’s role in the kill-the-gays bill pending in the Ugandan parliament.”
http://www.religiondispatches.org/archive/sexandgender/2250/religious_leaders_urge_obama_to_condemn_ugandan_anti-gay_bill_at_prayer_breakfast/



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pagansister

posted February 5, 2010 at 2:30 pm


Thanks nnmns, for the message to MM. You summed it up rather well, I think…along with…Say No To Drugs from another post. :0)



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cknuck

posted February 5, 2010 at 9:02 pm


MM quote, “let Ugandans decide whats good for them.”
Sounds like a reasonable statement to me even if I disagree with some policies they have the right to “decide what’s good for them.” Put pressure on some more developed and formidable nations. No stones to confront Korea on their policies I bet; you might get nuked. MM sounds reasonably offended.



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pagansister

posted February 5, 2010 at 9:20 pm


Maybe they don’t kill homosexuals in N. Korea, cknuck. They probably do away with protesters, however.



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Mordred08

posted February 5, 2010 at 9:27 pm


cknuck: “No stones to confront Korea on their policies I bet; you might get nuked.”
Kim Jong-Il’s a lunatic, and David Bahati is a fanatical murderer. There, you happy?
“MM sounds reasonably offended.”
Poor, poor MM, getting picked on just because he wants to stone innocent people. I’d express my sympathy with some music, but my violin is in the shop.



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nnmns

posted February 5, 2010 at 9:31 pm


It’s interesting, cknuck, that the only time I recall you defending a country is the one that wants to kill homosexuals.



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cknuck

posted February 7, 2010 at 6:40 pm


I doubt seriously that they want to kill homosexuals nnmns but don’t let that stop you.



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pagansister

posted February 7, 2010 at 9:01 pm


They may do just about everything to them, cknuck, except kill them. It is ridiculous to criminalize homosexuality. Stupid and ridiculous.



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Mordred08

posted February 8, 2010 at 12:28 am


cknuck:
“I doubt seriously that they want to kill homosexuals”
Then why does the bill say (Clause 3.2) “A person who commits the offense of aggravated homosexuality shall be liable on conviction to suffer death.”? Interestingly enough, the definition of “aggravated homosexuality” sounds very similar to what we evil liberals call “rape”, so why not call it “rape”? Oh right, because it doesn’t incite the appropriate level of fear of the wicked sodomites that the bible commands to be put to death.
In case you’re wondering, those who commit non-aggravated homosexuality (i.e. not rape) are merely sentenced to life imprisonment. Oh, how generous of them. No wait, that’s still insane!



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cknuck

posted February 8, 2010 at 9:29 pm


Mordred obviously they are experiencing homosexual rapes and are tired of it, maybe to the point of over-reacting. You are not there yet? Go make a difference.



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Mordred08

posted February 8, 2010 at 11:22 pm


cknuck: “obviously they are experiencing homosexual rapes and are tired of it, maybe to the point of over-reacting.”
“Maybe” they’re overreacting?! When a country decides to crack down on rape by locking up non-rapists for life, there’s no maybe about it.



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Your Name

posted February 10, 2010 at 10:55 am


Oh common guys, Now we are “the nation that kills gays”? Ok lets join the name calling in a moment. First though, let me supplement your education. Deterrents. That’s what we are trying to establish after the realization that there is a real danger of our youth being balled over by Hollywood hype and sponsored sexual re-orientation from the west. Don’t deny, you all know what Western TV is doing to Africa. We don’t want to end up a secular, unhinged state like several I can name in the west! I can quote several of your leaders who no longer know if bad exists. Everything is placed on a scale of relativity – and thus your permissive, warped values.
Africa on the other hand, has been economically and politically raped with the mainstream engineering of the west. Now you wish to extend the battle to a front we are not willing to engage let alone humour you on. We shall stand firm. Go ahead and encourage your offspring to even explore more bizarre behaviour. We shall not stop you. But dare not to export your social decadence. Please. You are bad enough for the whole world. We do not have nuclear weapons, you do. You have even used them. Do you hear us calling you mass murderers? The “nations reckless of mass killers”?
You don’t even know why you are in Iraq. How can you know that same sex relating is evil? I try to understand and tolerate you at arms length. Do the same for us. We do not need homosexuality acceptance! Be cool!
Lastly, drugs? Hey, who’s fooling who? Ugandans have problems with hunger, western exploitation and rebels. We do not have a drugs problem. I guess we all know who does! Does this explain the sexual confusion? Pray, do tell!!!!



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pagansister

posted February 10, 2010 at 11:17 am


Ugandans have no drug problems? Right. You actually think there are no drugs there? Dream on, nameless one.
And you’re right. the US shouldn’t be in Iraq.
But as to your other accusations…Let’s put it this way, a land of great opportunity Ugnada isn’t. When you have folks flocking to your country for “freedom” and opportunity…then you can brag about your little country. Putting people to death/jail for their sexual lives is utterly ridiculous.



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Marlon Mulumba

posted February 10, 2010 at 12:26 pm


Whats with the bragging and name calling? You see, a lot of your problems have come about because of a lack of respect for the sovereignity and dignity of other nations and people. America (USA) is a nation of conquering immigrants whose wealth and prosperity status would not be the same without having ridden on the back of slavery and theft. Great Britain’s Queen, God save her, presides over a kingdom groomed and nurtured on blood money. To date, the leaders of that little island still practise open colonialism! I know, its unbelievable but so true! I have not heard your hulabaloo over the source of your wealth! Nor over the doubious standards when creating wars-for-profit off your shores. When you continue to oppress young nations, deploy your superior coercive strength to extract outcomes that only benefit your selfish objectives no matter the cost to others and try to impose cultures and values that are abhorent and insensitive to your targets, how can you possibly stand tall and look yourselves in the mirror? What is your moral locus? Prosperity? Freedom?
People flocking to Uganda for freedom and prosperity? Give yourselves a few years. If you don’t see the writing on the wall, then lift the log in your eyes! Also, We do have drugs in Uganda. No doubt. What we don’t have is a drugs problem. You have the preserve on that one. Please, please, don’t try to export that one too!
That said, lets move the debate to where it should be. Deterrent punishment for homosexual offenders and the drive against universal social acceptance of the homosexual act in Uganda. I say this. We in Uganda understand our situation slightly better than you our brothers. We have enough of our own home-grown serious problems I assure you. Please do not try to run us over with yours! Enough is enough surely!
First you came with guns and killed us for fun. Then you raped our women, pillaged our lands. Did you stop? No, you chained up our energetic youth, caged them in treacherous ships and whipped the survivors into slavery to drive your economies. Then you forced us to grow crops to feed your fancies. You forced us to pay allegiance and taxes to your monarchs. You ruled us, confused us and abused us. You made us pay dearly for daring to ask for self rule. Then you launched us into self-doubt by imposing your form of governance on our young leaders without training them. Net result, disaster that gave you more leverage and the moral high ground. Very clever. Well, all this was not exactly you, but your forefathers. Point is, why are you not dressed in mourning? Where are the sackcloths and ashes, o you of high moral fibre? Not a whimper! If we have buried all that, and now break bread with you without condemnation, it doesn’t mean we have forgotten. Nor does it mean that we’ll turn around and bend over!



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Marlon Mulumba

posted February 10, 2010 at 1:18 pm


NNMS and Pagansister;
What is right about the assault on the anal passage for sexual gratification? Please educate the world. How much preparation/provision did nature make for this?



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pagansister

posted February 10, 2010 at 4:08 pm


MM
Just what business is it of yours what 2 consenting adults do in their sexual lives? Absolutely NONE. It is none of your business or that of any government. Would you, as a heterosexual ( I assume) want the government looking at your sex life? I think not. They might not like what they see either.
Also, are you so innocent and blind that you actually think that anal sex is only done (perhaps) by homosexual men, and not engaged in by heterosexuals?
While noting your countries problems, of course brought on by invaders, I think it is about time to say…stop complaining. Personally, I had nothing to do with the mess made by those invaders. I didn’t or do I now own slaves (some were sold into slavery by their countrymen, however). Try instead to help make things better. I am assuming you live there…or are you enjoying the comfort of this country (USA)? If you are living here, then why aren’t you back there? As to the homosexual laws in your great country…they are outrageous. That I feel certain, isn’t just my opinion. The country really needs to stay out of the sex lives of adults.



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Your Name

posted February 13, 2010 at 10:52 am


“What is right about the assault on the anal passage for sexual gratification? “
Why don’t you ask the roughly 30% of all heterosexuals who engage in anal sex if they consider it assault? Why don’t you ask them what is ‘wrong’ with sexual gratification within (or outside of) a marriage?
Sheesh, the way you type, one would get the impression that only homosexuals engage in anal sex, and that homosexuals only engage in anal sex, and that hetero/bettero-sexuals do neither – EVER. Delusional as usual.



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Juliet

posted February 26, 2010 at 9:37 pm


We LGBT of ^^BiMingle…cccomme^ do support Obama, as he sets a good example for us. He proves we can be good as well as straght people.



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