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Jews Angry After Second Bishop Slams Holocaust ‘Propaganda’

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Vatican City – Jewish groups are outraged again after a Catholic archbishop in Brazil downplayed Jewish suffering in the Holocaust, which he said had been exaggerated by Jewish “propaganda.”
“The Jews call themselves the main victims of the Holocaust. But the main victims were Gypsies. They were exterminated,” said Archbishop Dadeus Grings of Porto Alegre, Brazil, in an interview published Friday (Mar. 27). “They do not speak about that. The Jews have the propaganda of the world.”
Grings also told the Brazilian trade publication Press & Advertising that Catholics suffered “much more” than Jews in the Holocaust.
“The Jews speak of 6 million dead,” Grings said. “The Nazis killed more than 20 million people. You compare.”
Grings’ comments came two months after Pope Benedict XVI set off an international furor by lifting the 1988 excommunications of four ultra-traditionalist bishops in an effort to reconcile with their schismatic group.
Jewish organizations were outraged after one of the bishops, Richard Williamson, told Swedish television that no more than 300,000 Jews “perished in Nazi concentration camps … not one of them by gassing in a gas chamber.”
Unlike Williamson, who was ordained a bishop without permission of the Vatican and who is still not authorized to exercise his office, Grings is a bishop in good standing. He has served as archbishop of Porto Alegre, a diocese of 2.5 million Catholics, since 2001.
Jewish leaders in Brazil and elsewhere denounced Grings’ remarks.
“The church must take strong and public action against these Holocaust deniers who represent the Catholic Church to the world,” said Abraham H. Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), in a statement. “It is especially important that Pope Benedict make it clear that there will be consequences for those clergy who engage in Holocaust denial.”
The Vatican has not issued an official statement on the matter. The Rev. Federico Lombardi, director of the Holy See Press Office, did not respond to a request for comment late Tuesday.
By Francis X. Rocca
Religion News Service
Copyright 2009 Religion News Service. All rights reserved. No part of this transmission may be distributed or reproduced without written permission.



  • pagansister

    Yet another RCC bishop with foot in mouth disease…or just plain another bishop being “stupid”!

  • nnmns

    The Gypsies and others suffered a lot but in pure numbers it was the Jews.
    The Wikipedia article on Holocaust gives about 6 million Jews, 2 million non-Jewish Poles (the original plan was to wipe them all out, too, except for some to be slaves), about 0.7 million Serbs (I think non-Jewish), about 3 million Soviet POW’s. Gypsies (the Rom’s) have always been secretive (it says there) and the estimates of their losses vary still more but probably from about 0.25 million to 1.5 million of them were murdered.
    We think of the Holocaust as having been done to the Jews, and it certainly was, but it was also done to a lot of other people, quite possibly more others in total than Jews. I personally would like to see all those peoples get recognition when the Holocaust is mentioned.
    And there are the modern versions, like in Darfur, going on as we sit comfortably at our desks or TV trays reading and writing these things.

  • nnmns

    Others who died in droves at Nazi hands in Germany and captured territories were the mentally ill and disabled, FreeMasons and Jehovah’s Witnesses, homosexuals, socialists and communists. See the Wikipedia article.
    And be incredibly grateful to all who fought and defeated Germany in those terrible days.

  • pagansister

    “And be incredibly gratful to all who fought and defeated Germany in those terrible days.”
    Indeed, nnmns. Well said.

  • nnmns

    “Grings also told the Brazilian trade publication Press & Advertising that Catholics suffered “much more” than Jews in the Holocaust.”
    Well the Poles, presumably mostly Catholics, were originally marked for near total annihilation according to that Wikipedia article, but they weren’t. And it wasn’t because they were Catholic they were marked, but because they were Slavic. In fact, of course, it was the Catholic (and I presume Lutheran) teachings of the time about Jews being “Christ killers” that made the Holocaust and probably the Nazi regime possible.
    It’s not surprising Grings has trouble with facts since he’s spent his life claiming Catholicism is true. But he clearly also has the common Christian (and likely human) characteristic of the martyr complex. You’d think a pampered archbishop would find it hard to play the martyr but he seems to find it really easy. What a twit.

  • Maestro

    “And be incredibly grateful to all who fought and defeated Germany in those terrible days.”
    Are you crazy? Be grateful to for example Soviet union ruled by Stalin which killed much more people than nazi Germany and made Eastern Europe and Balticum concentration camp, and don´t forget that Churchill ant Rooes´velt suppurted Stalin.

  • DML

    The legacy of the rat lines at work south of the Rio Bravo. Really preposterous anti-semitic stuff abounds down there. Follow it back to its source though…
    Ponder the sentiments expressed by both the pope and his brother at the conclusion of WWII. They said that they were saddened by National Socialism, being compelled to Nazi military service…fair enough.
    But then they both despaired being taken over by the Allies at the conclusion of the war. They both could only see themselves as victims, they forgot the Jews and others who died all around them. Their secret regret was only that their less extreme Austrofascist ideals didn’t dominate over National Socialism.
    Even today, we should think first of those in the out-group. Like Samaritans, Palestinians, Democrats. Remember that Jesus said even the wicked love their own families; there is nothing special in being kind to our own. Well learned Churchmen should certainly know and practice this.

  • Your Name

    There is no doubt that the Nazis killed hundreds of thousands of Jews, which was a crime. But the Jews came up with the fraud that 6 million Jews were killed by gas chambers. First, there is not a shred of evidence that any gas chamber was used to kill the Jews. The Jews who control the propaganda machine has repeatedly shown photos of Jews in concentration camp, but has anyone seen a photo of a gas chamber? Don’t you think if there was any gas chamber used to kill the Jews, the Jews would have flooded the media with those pictures? The Jews also don’t want anyone to question that the 6 million number is not real, and even jail people for “denying the holocaust.” It’s perfectly OK to deny the existence of Christ or God, but you will be thrown in jail for “denying the holocaust.”

  • MReap

    “Your name” – you are ignorant.

  • Maestro

    Your Name is partly right. Of course the figure 6 million is exaggerated. Can anyone name a serious historian whom confirm 6 miljon executed? Of course it´s political propaganda. And “holocaust denial”? Why is it forbidden to discuss the amount of jewish victim in world war 2 when it´s ok to discuss the amount of palestinian victims slaughtered bu the israeli military in Gaza recently?

  • DML

    Bishop Williamson, is that you? Wow, to be on the same blog with such people. Quibbling over how which exponent to put on this great atrocity. Making light of the situation by referring to Stalin’s brutality is really terrible too. Many of the condemned Nazi’s at the Nurenburg trials tried to invoke communist boogie man, didn’t know, just doing what I was told, or it wasn’t that big or bad defense strategies also.
    I would also like to remind everyone of the sacrifice that Americans and the Allies made in WWII. Those who deny the Holocaust have chosen the other side, just like the Bund, Lindbergh and Father Coughlin did. I have one family member who participated in the Normandy invasion and then later fought in the Germany itself. Another died in Bataan.
    It isn’t proper to mock those who fought and died battling against the Axis powers.

  • nnmns

    “Are you crazy? Be grateful to for example Soviet union …”
    For fighting Nazi Germany, damned right! Would you rather they’d taken over Europe and, who knows, the US? I could never ever be in favor of something like that.

  • Hank Halle

    There are all sorts of photos of gas chambers. I’ve seen the photos of fake showers with the opening where the Xyklon B was added to feed into the “showers”. Many photos were taken by common American and British soldiers. One of my friends’ Dad participated in the liberation of one death camp, and the family still has all sorts of photos.
    I don’t understand folks who deny the holocaust. It has to be hate, or something else irrational.

  • Maestro

    DML. As i said, name a serious historian whom confirm that 6 million jews were executed. I don´t mock plain soldiers like your relatives who fought for their lives, i mock the leaders. You should read som history, for example how Churchill made a deal with Stalin about Poland behind the polish leaders back. If you still are grateful, you are crazy!

  • Maestro

    nnmns. Take over US? You are crazy! Fact is that nazi Germany wanted a peace deal with western powers like US and Brittain. Also you have to read som history. Well, you could ask the people in eastern Europe and Balticum what they preferred. Fact is that a lot of eastern europeans fought in waffen-ss against Sovjet union because they know what will happen if the Red Army occupied their country. So yes, between nazi Germany and Sovjet union i definately choose nazi Germany, like a majority in Europe.

  • jestrfyl

    Clearly this bishop has not actually talked with any Roma. If you take the time to talk with some of them they will tell you stories – not only of the Nazis – that will break your heart, melt your mind, and singe your senses.
    The bishops’ credibility is a bit in question. After all, was it not his country to which many of the Nazi leaders escaped? And was he there or know anyone who was their. His opinion is just that and little more. Frankly, I don’t believe he is worth debating.

  • Your Name

    Hank Halle. And who says it´s fake showers? As you shold know there wasn´t any british or american soldiers in the camps like Auschwitz where the gas chambers should have been situated. There was som camps in Germany which were visited by american an englishh soldiers, but they were no “death camps”. Also you shold read som history.

  • Your Name

    Why don’t you tell me where 50 of my family members disappeared to, you sobs? How about my friends’s families?
    The only people that deny the Holocaust are the ones that approve of it and are glad it happened. Keep talking. You will surely burn in hell with the Nazis.

  • cknuck

    today is more important than to argue over the past, its done enough damage. I think people are just tired of the Jewish continued parade of the Holocaust. It was awful but its over what about today people are still dying needlessly no one group has an monopoly and now Israel should take a look at it’s current practices on dealing out death.

  • pagansister

    Your Name at 11:45 AM:
    Why is it you refuse to use a name? My guess? With the attitude you expressed towards the Jewish people, I’d not use my name either. Sad commentary.

  • Henrietta22

    Hank Hallie is right about the showerooms and how they converted the spickets to gas. It was how they got the captured to walk into the showers, they were told they had to shower before going to their barracks. I remember as a child seeing the pictures in Life Magazine.

  • nnmns

    “nnmns. Take over US? You are crazy! Fact is that nazi Germany wanted a peace deal with western powers like US and Brittain.”
    Sure, and I’ve got a bridge in Brooklyn I’ll sell you cheap for only $10,000.

  • Maestro

    Pagansister. As the bishop said, it died much more catholics in ww 2 than jews and take a look at what happends nowadays instead.

  • Your Name

    nnmns. Open a historybook and read it.

  • nnmns

    I have. This is a pointless conversation. It’s people like you who give Jews and blacks and probably hispanics reason to worry about what the US might do to them. Fortunately there aren’t many like you, but unfortunately there are too many.

  • Your Name

    Why should they worry because a non US-citizen use his freedom of expression?

  • nnmns

    “a non US-citizen”
    That’s one little piece of good news.

  • Brianne

    Remember, know one is allowed to say anything that might offend the Jews. Isn’t it about time people start telling Jewish leaders to FU

  • Maestro

    Brianne. Right you are! Even if “FU” is a bit undiplomatic. Next time any jewish leaders get upset, just say that we have freedom of expression..

  • onlyone

    As a jew, I know who my eternal enemies are

  • Ricard de Feydeau

    It seems rather foolish for any group to attempt to monopolize claims of great suffering, or to try to weigh their duffering as greater than that of others based purely on numbers, disputed numbers at that. surely the Chinese suffering adn death under Mao exceeds any other on earth, in human history. Historians speak of over on hundred million vitims.
    The Jews suffered, greatly, under the Nazis. That is enough to know. Civilized people are appalled at that, and agree it needs to be remembered, but they are also appalled when the sufferings of other goups are minimized, ignored, forgotten, made to seem insignificant to Jewish suffering.

  • Maestro

    Thats the problem for many jews, they always must find a enemy instead of living in peace.

  • Geseke

    Anyone who thinks the Gypsies were exterminated hasn’t been to Europe recently. The tour guides in places like Prague are very frank in telling tourists to watch out for Gypsy thieves. In Amsterdam, there are banners hung over street intersections telling visitors to beware of pickpockets. Even at the Auschwitz memorial site, there is a sign warning about thieves. My tour guide told me that the town of Auschwitz now has lots of Gypsies living there; he pointed out a Gypsy to me so I would know what to watch out for. On the streets of Strasbourg or Nuremberg, the Gypsies are quite aggressive; if you don’t give them money, they will punch you in the chest or harass you until you do.

  • cknuck

    “eternal enemies”?
    To speak of other humans in such a way is indeed evil breeding evil breeding evil (the whole eternal thing)sad indeed that one would have enemies they haven’t even met yet, set up enemies for their children to hate.

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