Lynn v. Sekulow

Lynn v. Sekulow


President Obama is the “Angel of Death”? Give me a break!

posted by Rev. Barry W. Lynn

Jay,

I think you would agree with me that businesses have the right to hire and fire as they see fit.
Fox News, per usual, has manufactured a controversy here, and that’s all there is to it.

But since you mentioned you believe Juan Williams’ had the “right to express a thought,” I’d like to at least say that I am a strong proponent of free speech, too.

For example, I don’t dispute that Personhood Colorado, the anti-choice group behind Colorado’s Amendment 62, had the free speech right to create a political ad that demonized President Obama as the “Angel of Death.” That was the name given to the Nazi doctor who performed medical experiments and tortured men, women and children in concentration camps during the Holocaust – hardly an accurate comparison.


The ad was used as propaganda in support of an amendment to Colorado’s constitution that would define a “person” as “every human being from the beginning of the biological development of that human being.”

Obviously, I don’t agree with Personhood Colorado, this amendment or their ad campaign.

The amendment would ban all abortions, even in the case of rape and
incest or to save a mother’s life, ban stem cell research and ban all
forms of birth control other than “barrier methods.”

The measure also implicates religious liberty by using one particular
religion’s doctrine to constitutionally define when life begins. In
banning all abortions, the measure also directly conflicts with some
religious teachings, and could severely harm the ability of some
Coloradans to make this decision in keeping with their own faith
tradition or follow the dictates of their own conscience.

But fortunately, I can exercise my own free speech rights and stand up
against this amendment and Personhood Colorado’s despicable ad. That’s
what I did Oct. 20 when I appeared on MSNBC’s “The Ed Show.” My free
speech rights allowed me to say this ad was reprehensible and a
disgrace by any moral standards for comparing the president of the
United States to a Nazi war criminal.
 
You can check out the ad and my interview here.

Jay, I’d like to know what you think. Would you have the audacity to
compare our president to the “Angel of Death” just because he supports
a woman’s right to choose? Isn’t this taking it a bit too far?



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James Backus

posted November 1, 2010 at 6:20 pm


You guys need to stop voting on this issue. It’s a redherring and the GOP knows it (after all, they got GW Bush elected and did nothing to overturn that ruling – when they could have for 6 years).
They are using and manipulating the “religulous” on this issue for “votes”. They claim to be against it, but the Bush daughters would have been the first girls in the South of France if they had an unwanted pregnancy. It’s time you rethink the violence and hate mongering that goes into this effort. You would be better off with a pacifist approach – this argument is just a tool for the GOP to use you on “social issues” to line their pockets with “fiscal gains” (i.e., illegal Iraq war based on lies and intentional false intel to protect Hailburton’s interest in the Iraq Oil Lines – not WMDs, not terrorist – though Bush created a lot of orphans whom I suspect will not look kindly on America with 1 million collateral damage citizens killed.



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Rich

posted November 1, 2010 at 7:34 pm


I have heard a few commentators offer up the opinion that these types of ballot measures are put forward for the sole reason of getting the religious voters out to the polls. The idea is that while they are they voting on whatever is the ‘anti-Satan du jour’ measure, they will probably vote for the Repubs while they are there. These same commentators go on to say that the Dems need a similar tactic using a similar type headline measure. In the Dems case it would be marijuana legalization to bring out the youth vote. I don’t claim to have a feel about how that would work out in reality, it will be interesting to see how the current measure influenced California, if at all.



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HG

posted November 2, 2010 at 12:12 am


Talk about over the top, these calculated misrepresentations have been launched into orbit by space cadets and tacitly sanctioned by people who then, somehow, try to claim the moral high ground. The willingness of the right-winged beast to co-opt disgruntled social engineers and religious bigots reveals its Machiavellian heart. It is my sincere hope that they are not rewarded for the dreadful behavior they have displayed.
Also, Colorado’s Amendment 62 would be unconstitutional.



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Cynthia

posted November 2, 2010 at 12:45 am


It’s hard to understand why in the world Rev Barry Lynn is against Colorado’s Amendment 62. He talks about woman’s right to choose, but he does not recognize the baby’s right to live. He once was an embryo and he’s lucky he’s mother did not abort him. It’s interesting that people that defend abortion, actually were born and were not deprived of the essential right every person has: LIFE. Where is the responsibility of the woman and the man during an unprotected sex? The choice of doing unprotected sex implicates consequences from STD to pregnancy. When someone does not want to get pregnant she’s supposed to AVOID the pregnancy in the first place, NOT TERMINATE the person who was created because of her irresponsibility whatsoever. Which part of all this such Rev does not understand? During decades the women have been listening lies like “that’s not a baby”. It’s just a little tissue”. Have you ever read that an embryo of 5 mm already has heartbeat? I saw hundreds of embryos of 2 and 3 mm with heartbeat. When you see heartbeat you see life. Life is more than breathing. Life is DNA replication, Protein synthesis, cell division, millions of biochemical reactions in the cellular organelles, Intact cellular membranes, and so the list goes on. These all, sir Rev, happens since the first day of pregnancy when the sperm joins the oocyte II, called fecundation.
If you think life starts when you give the first breath, you’re showing your ignorance and lack of the most basic knowledge.
women have been deceived during decades and the result is more than 51 millions of abortions. But why are the women being deceived? Because of the greedy industry of abortion. Do the count. How many billions of dollars do you think the abortion industry gained all these decades of abortions on demand? MONEY, MONEY, It’s always for MONEY. And that money PAY for politics campaign to ensure the BUSINESS will continue and get more PROFITABLE.
The American society needs to stop this shame.
Do you think the abortion is not painful to the baby? The nervous system is one of the first to be formed in the embryo. This means the baby being aborted feels pain, distress, …
Yes, lots of lies have been told to women for decades and so many “EXPERTS” have been PAID to manipulate data and created “researches” to give “scientific evidences” to sustain the lies being told.
The Personhood Colorado is not about anti-choice , as you said. It’s about the TRUTH, the RIGHT to LIFE of the unborn child and the PROTECTION of the woman and her unborn child.



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HG

posted November 2, 2010 at 2:33 am


Cynthia: “The Personhood Colorado is not about anti-choice”
Is that something like “under God” not being religious?
At any rate, the decision in Roe is very specific in denying federal and state government power to influence a woman’s abortion decision. Magoo was right, it’s a red herring meant to drive issue-passionate people to vote a certain way in exchange for nothing more than lip service similar to Cynthia’s above comment.



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Mr. Incredible, in the Name of Jesus, the Name above ALL names!

posted November 2, 2010 at 3:21 am


“THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK UNTO YOU, THEY ARE SPIRIT, AND THEY ARE LIFE.” — Jesus

BL says:
The ad was used as propaganda in support of an amendment to Colorado’s constitution that would define a “person” as “every human being from the beginning of the biological development of that human being.”
Mr. Incredible says:
We should all want everyone who IS a person to be specifically defined, in law, as a person so that we can make sure that person gets all the Rights Jefferson says in the Declaration of Independence that person has from the time he is created. That’s the least we can do.



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Mr. Incredible, in the Name of Jesus, our Champion!

posted November 2, 2010 at 3:32 am


The process of birth starts at conception. What is in the process of birth is growing. It is growing independently of the mother. Its growth is based on its own DNA, not that of the mother.
The Preamble to the Constitution says that the purpose of the Constitution is to secure the Blessings of Liberty to “our” posterity. “Posterity” refers to generations yet unborn. It refers to those who, at the time of the writing of the Constitution, were expected to enjoy, at some future point, the Blessings of Liberty secured by the Constitution.
So, to abort a pregnancy, for nothing other than to save the social life of the mother, is to deny this country the posterity the Founders expected to enjoy the Blessings of Liberty they secured in the Constitution.

JESUS CHRIST — THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE — THE ONLY WAY TO THE FATHER !



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Mr. Incredible, in Jesus' Name

posted November 2, 2010 at 3:36 am


CONSERVATIVE VICTORY 2010!

Oh it’s GONNA happen.



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Mr. Incredible, in the Name of Jesus, in Whom we are more than conquerors!

posted November 2, 2010 at 4:07 am


Personhood Colorado is pro-life, and is pro-choice of the unborn person who would choose life. In the unborn child’s best interest, the mother must decide in the light of the best interest of the unborn child. It is not in the best interest of the unborn child for the mother to choose to save her social life.

JESUS IS LORD ! THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD OVER THE HILLS AND THROUGH THE VALLEYS, TROUNCING GIANTS !



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Mr. Incredible, in Jesus' Name – the Name above ALL names!

posted November 2, 2010 at 4:11 am


JESUS CHRIST — THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE — THE ONLY WAY TO THE FATHER !

Jefferson says, in the Declaration of Independence, that the Right to life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness begins when we are created.
When is that! When are we created? Conception? Birth? When the mother says so? When the doctor says so? When SCOTUS says so?
When is a woman pregnant? Conception? Birth? When the mother says so? When the doctor says so? When SCOTUS says so?



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Mr. Incredible, in the Name of Jesus Who will cast out none who come to Him!

posted November 2, 2010 at 4:23 am


The foolish, secular world is fond of telling us that ALL life began with one cell. They don’t tell us how it happened. They don’t tell us when it happened. It don’t tell us who made that one cell and programmed it to do what it did.
If ALL life started with one cell, it’s believable, logical, empirical and reasonable that ALL human life begins with one cell.
If ALL human life begins with one cell, and that cell has forty-six chromosomes, under normal conditions, the cell is human. It is human life.

AND THE LIGHT SHINETH IN DARKNESS; AND THE DARKNESS COMPREHENDED IT NOT.



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Mr. Incredible, in the Name of Jesus Who is the Light of the world!

posted November 2, 2010 at 4:26 am


CORRECTION
It don’t tell us – – > They don’t tell us



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Mr. Incredible, in the Name of Jesus Whose Blood paid for sins!

posted November 2, 2010 at 4:34 am


“THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK UNTO YOU, THEY ARE SPIRIT, AND THEY ARE LIFE.” — Jesus

There is an element in the law called the “jural person.” He is an entity that is treated by the law as a person. A corporation is a jural person.
If the Legislative can enact laws that treat corporations as persons, we may have laws that treat the unborn as persons. Inheritance law is an example.
Inheritance law says that the unborn child, beginning at conception, has what the law calls “future interests.”
If the unborn child enjoys “future interests,” the State must act to protect those interests.
One-a the best things we can do now is invoke the laws in court.



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Mr. Incredible, in the Name of Jesus, the Light That shines on all who believe on Him!

posted November 2, 2010 at 6:03 am


HG says:
… these calculated misrepresentations have been launched into orbit by space cadets and tacitly sanctioned by people who then, somehow, try to claim the moral high ground.
Mr. Incredible says:
Thanks to God, through Christ, we enjoy the Moral “high ground.”
HG says:
The willingness of the right-winged beast to co-opt disgruntled social engineers and religious bigots reveals its Machiavellian heart.
Mr. Incredible asks:
Who you tryin’ t’impress?
HG says:
It is my sincere hope that they are not rewarded for the dreadful behavior they have displayed.
Mr. Incredible says:
“Dreadful behavior,” according to whose standard?
HG says:
Also, Colorado’s Amendment 62 would be unconstitutional
Mr. Incredible says:
The Constitution doesn’t define “person,” a word the Constitution uses. It makes the greatest sense to define it so that all those who are persons – falling under the category of “posterity,” as envisioned by the Founders – may be secure in the Blessings of Liberty promised by the Founders in the Preamble.

JESUS IS LORD ! THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD OVER THE HILLS AND THROUGH THE VALLEYS, TROUNCING GIANTS !



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Mr. Incredible, in the Name of Jesus Who does not take His eye off the Righteous!

posted November 2, 2010 at 6:14 am


JESUS CHRIST — THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE — THE ONLY WAY TO THE FATHER !

HG says:
… the decision in Roe is very specific in denying federal and state government power to influence a woman’s abortion decision.
Mr. Incredible says:
Roe does not deny the State the power to influence a woman’s abortion decision.
Roe makes it clear that the State must have a legitimate interest in regulating abortion. That legitimate interest is Due Process, and only persons get Due Process. Aside from the fact that law already treats the unborn as persons – that is, jural persons – a definition of “personhood” would make it extra clear that the unborn are persons and have the Right to Due Process.



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Mr. Incredible, in the Name of Jesus Who does not take His eye off the Righteous!

posted November 2, 2010 at 6:15 am


JESUS CHRIST — THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE — THE ONLY WAY TO THE FATHER !

HG says:
… the decision in Roe is very specific in denying federal and state government power to influence a woman’s abortion decision.
Mr. Incredible says:
Roe does not deny the State the power to influence a woman’s abortion decision.
Roe makes it clear that the State must have a legitimate interest in regulating abortion. That legitimate interest is Due Process, and only persons get Due Process. Aside from the fact that law already treats the unborn as persons – that is, jural persons – a definition of “personhood” would make it extra clear that the unborn are persons and have the Right to Due Process.



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Mr. Incredible, in the Name of Jesus Who has overcome the world and, through Him, we, too!

posted November 2, 2010 at 6:19 am


In Roe, itself, Justice Blackmun says that, had “personhood” been before the Court and established by law in that case, the Court would-a had to rule the other way.

AND THE LIGHT SHINETH IN DARKNESS; AND THE DARKNESS COMPREHENDED IT NOT.



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Cynthia

posted November 2, 2010 at 11:25 am


Hi, HG. I have some points to discuss about your posting concerning my commentary.
“The Personhood Colorado is not about anti-choice” – HG, I was commenting Rev Lynn commentary when he said “I don’t dispute that Personhood Colorado, the ANTI-CHOICE GROUP behind Colorado’s Amendment 62,”.
“Is that something like “under God” not being religious?” – Go back to my previous commentary and read it. I didn’t say any word about religion. I am not talking about religion. Why do you people like to put religion as a reason to underscore any people’s commentary? Why are you so quick to do so? Are you angry with God? Maybe he didn’t give you the lollipop you wanted.
“At any rate, the decision in Roe is very specific in denying federal and state government power to influence a woman’s abortion decision.” – REALLY? In which world do you live? After Roe, the established abortion industry has been putting in the power POLITICS who will make sure their business will continue VERY PROFITABLE.
“Magoo was right, it’s a red herring meant to drive issue-passionate people to vote a certain way in exchange for nothing more than lip service similar to Cynthia’s above comment.” – Clearly you didn’t read what I wrote before. I am a person of convictions and my posting was based in real science (Cytology, Histology, Embryology, Physiology, Anatomy, …). It really does not matter your “drive issue-passionate people”. At some point everybody is a “issue-passionate people”. Good examples of “drive issue-Passionate people” are the atheists, the homosexuals, the muslins, the liberals, the families, the animal societies, the global warming advocates, the parents for their children, the labor unions, the people who voted President Obama, …So what is your point of being a issue-passionate people? Aren’t you one?



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Bob Enyart

posted November 2, 2010 at 12:40 pm


Barry, it’s been a while since I’ve interviewed you. Hey, can I offer two corrections. You wrote:
The amendment would… ban stem cell research and ban all forms of birth control other than “barrier methods.”
Correction 1: It wouldn’t ban stem cell research, and dozens of exciting and effective stem cell treatments being used clinically around the world were developed via adult stem cell research, which is completely ethical and does not require lethal research performed on the tiniest boys or girls. So, personhood will ban only fatal embryonic research.
Correction 2: Personhood will only ban “birth” control methods that kill a living embryo, but all true contraceptives and contraceptive methods, that prevent fertilization, would be unaffected, and this list includes far more than only barrier methods.



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HG

posted November 2, 2010 at 12:54 pm


Hi Cynthia,
When a group works to eliminate choice, it’s called anti-choice. I can hardly be angry with God, being that such a creature doesn’t exist.
“‘At any rate, the decision in Roe is very specific in denying federal and state government power to influence a woman’s abortion decision.’ – REALLY? In which world do you live”?
Really. Earth. Been here quite a while. I was at Michigan State when the decision was rendered. Have a look.
“To summarize and to repeat:
… (a) For the stage prior to approximately the end of the first trimester, the abortion decision and its effectuation must be left to the medical judgment of the pregnant woman’s attending physician.
(b) For the stage subsequent to approximately the end of the first trimester, the State, in promoting its interest in the health of the mother, may, if it chooses, regulate the abortion procedure in ways that are reasonably related to maternal health.
(c) For the stage subsequent to viability, the State in promoting its interest in the potentiality of human life [410 U.S. 113, 165] may, if it chooses, regulate, and even proscribe, abortion except where it is necessary, in appropriate medical judgment, for the preservation of the life or health of the mother.
Very specific, as I said.
Certainly most people become passionate about some issue at some time. However, if you are going to be a passionately issue-driven individual, it might be better to select an issue which hasn’t yet been resolved opposite to your position. The law was not decided on points of science, it was decided on points of law.
Cynthia: “Where is the responsibility of the woman and the man during an unprotected sex? The choice of doing unprotected sex implicates consequences from STD to pregnancy. When someone does not want to get pregnant she’s supposed to AVOID the pregnancy in the first place…”
The decision to have sex is quite different from the decision to become a parent. Surely, you can see they are two separate things. Pregnancy is not always avoided even when protecting against it, so the only sure way is abstinence. The human sex drive is naturally very strong, and abstinence can be neither anticipated or legislated.



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Cynthia

posted November 2, 2010 at 1:34 pm


Mr Enyart, you are right. Thank you for enriching this blog with your commentary. It is not always we can read something true nowadays.



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Alicia

posted November 2, 2010 at 2:07 pm


If it were possible to end abortion by making it illegal, the arguments against it might make some sense. But it is obvious to anyone who has applied common sense to the subject that ending legal abortion will drive girls and women to have illegal abortions, and some will die as a result while others will suffer severe health consequences. Those with enough money to travel to another state for a legal abortion will be OK.
Abortions should be legal, safe, and rare. While I don’t believe that human life begins at conception, I do believe that medical advances which make the fetus viable at earlier stages of pregnancy and increase survival rate for premature infants pose a real ethical challenge to those who are pro-choice. Personally, I don’t think it is ethical to abort a fetus that is capable of surviving outside of the mother’s womb unless the woman’s life is endangered.
Instead of fighting what I think is an utterly unproductive battle about whether abortion should be legal or not, I believe we should be concentrating on reducing the number of abortions through education. But, that would give the people who like to fight, on either side, less to fight about.



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HG

posted November 2, 2010 at 2:42 pm


I find very little in Alicia’s statement with which to take exception.
Note: the issue of early fetal viability could also pose ethical challenges for government. If medical science advances to the point of ensuring viability after five days, for example, what would the role of government be? Would government be allowed/required to inspect uteruses for embryonic activity? Could a pregnant woman be forced by the State to carry the pregnancy full term? Or would it be incumbent upon the State to take, and care for (through adulthood), all unwanted embryos greater than five days old? All of this is avoided by Roe, which denies Fourteenth Amendment protection to the unborn.



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Alicia

posted November 2, 2010 at 2:55 pm


Interesting hypothetical, HG. You are right, though I don’t think viability that early is likely, I suppose it is theoretically possible.
For those who get frustrated with both sides of the abortion debate, I recommend the movie, “Citizen Ruth,” starring Laura Dern.



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Catherine

posted November 2, 2010 at 3:55 pm


Cynthia,
You are absolutely correct. Every baby has a right to live.
Whoever willingly kills, destroys, or murders the most innocent life that exists appropriately deserves the title of “Angel of Death.”
The innocent, and their silent screams of horror will not be forgotten.



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HG

posted November 2, 2010 at 4:48 pm


Guess some people missed the Rally.



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Alicia

posted November 2, 2010 at 4:58 pm


My favorite sign from the Rally (there were a lot) was “Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am stuck in the middle with you.” Amen.



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JG 5050

posted November 2, 2010 at 5:53 pm


Ya – the Angel of Death actually does what he says he is going to do – can’t be Obama.



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Charles Thomas

posted November 2, 2010 at 7:34 pm


Whoever willingly kills,destroys or murders the most innocent that exists appropriately deserves the title of “Angel of Death”..
Does this moral prohibition against murder apply only to women who procure abortions and the doctors who provide them,or does it apply universally,regardless of time and circumstance,such as the slaughter of innocents commanded by God in the Old Testament?
What I find disturbing is that theologians who attempt to explain the wars of genocide in the Bible sound very much like those who justify abortion all the way up to the moment of birth.
To be morally consistent,one cannot condemn one, but condone the other.



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HK

posted November 2, 2010 at 7:50 pm


I am appalled that someone who is Pro-Life called President Obama “The angel of death.” I am a Pro-life Chrisian, and I am appalled at the rude and hateful speech I see coming out of the Prolife camp these days
Jesus called hatred of another as murder in his New Testament teachings.



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Catherine

posted November 2, 2010 at 9:30 pm


United States of America
Looks like another silent night
As we’re sung to sleep by philosophies
That save the trees and kill the children
And while we’re lying in the dark
There’s a shout heard ‘cross the eastern sky
For the Bridegroom has returned
And has carried His bride away in the night
-Casting Crowns



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Bubba

posted November 3, 2010 at 12:22 am


Angel of Death? Not that effective. Politician of Death? Yep. His killing of the Born Alive Infant Protection Act showed his heart long before he was elected president. He demeans the office and has blood on his hands. I would not want to face the Living God with that to account for… “Uh, ya see, God… they have been treatin’ me like a dog… and, uh, given how I treated those defenseless babies, uh, that would be ok right about now… and, not to be too presumptuous, but who are You to judge me?”



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Rich

posted November 3, 2010 at 12:31 am


It looks like the moronic and intrusive Amendment 62 in Colorado went down in flames, 71% to 29% or so.
Can we finally put to rest the notion that these religious religious bozos trying regulate every little aspect of your lives might actually represent the ‘will’ of the people? They don’t and they never have. Nor are those who would vote for such intrusiveness normal. They are at best some odd mixture of jealousy and voyeurism, always focused on the lives of others, jealous of the freedom that others might have and then so resentful that they would seek to control the lives of others.



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kay ojen

posted November 3, 2010 at 3:56 am


please watch this video about hate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNl-joC2MAY



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DSJulian

posted November 3, 2010 at 4:52 am


When are these anti-choice morons going to realize that life does not begin at conception but it is a continuing process since God created mankind and it goes on with or without any specific individual?
Pretty soon these same morons are going to demand that the unborn have the right to vote and any number of other civil rights…
The idots that put out this ad are the best evidence that some people should have been aborted or their births contracepted…



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Catherine

posted November 3, 2010 at 9:03 am


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rqhG2yT-58
“While you were sleeping” -Casting Crowns



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Catherine

posted November 3, 2010 at 9:19 am

Rich

posted November 3, 2010 at 11:26 am


Catherine,
You are right, that video is a great example of just how lame and brainwashed Christians truly are. It was an exceptionally bad video, poor music and sub-par editing but I am sure that many of the mindless legions out there thought it moving.



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dink

posted November 3, 2010 at 11:39 am


What is the difference betweeen the way the Nazi treated little children and the way abortionists treat their younger victims? Hating babies enough to execute them is no virtue and all Christians and people with any morals should be disgusted at the practice.



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jrthecat

posted November 3, 2010 at 12:45 pm


Agreeing with ‘dink’. If Rich is so brilliant that from a few statements by Christians he can determine and declare them “lame”, “brainwashed” and “mindless”, why, then, could he not present a reasoned polemic in support of his position. Incidentally, a “mindless” entity cannot be “brainwashed”. (LOL)
And to ‘DSJulian’, You declare that “God created mankind and it, (mankind) goes on…without any specific individuals”. Does that include Mommy and Papa? Would that be so if all babies were aborted? Where does God fit into the potential life and/or death of mankind whom He created? Only the Bible tells us that “In the beginning, God created the…earth.” and goes on to say, in other words, mankind. The Bible also says that God, “our heavenly Father” has His eye on every sparrow that falls to the earth”. You can’t possibly believe the death of a person attracts less attention from God.



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Troy

posted November 3, 2010 at 1:45 pm


You believe the Bible story is factual? If so, you are a perfect subject upon which to test the hypothesis that mindless people can’t be brainwashed.



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Ceci Warren

posted November 3, 2010 at 2:11 pm


Hi, I just want to thank all the tea-party candidates for screwing the republicans out of taking the Senate, your stupidity was useful for once.



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HG

posted November 3, 2010 at 2:47 pm


Actually, according to definition, to be “mindless” one practically MUST have a brain. LOL.



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Art

posted November 3, 2010 at 3:51 pm


ref: Jay, I’d like to know what you think. Would you have the audacity to compare our president to the “Angel of Death” just because he supports a woman’s right to choose?
The answer, of course, is YES! Simply Because Obama Supports a ‘Woman’s right (sick, sic) to choose’! The first Act BO did once he assumed the Presidency was to Reverse the “Mexico City Accord”, thus unleashing American $$$ to Kill the Unborn Babies of Foreign Women! He is also pushing hard for FOCA to pass! He wants to FORCE Catholic Hospitals to Perform Abortions! He is pushing for Euthanasia!
So, in Conclusion, Jay was 1/2 correct! Obama is the “Demon of Death!” Obama’s Death Call does not Come from God! But from Man! Obama is a Demon, not an Angel!



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Catherine

posted November 3, 2010 at 4:04 pm

Morph

posted November 3, 2010 at 4:27 pm


OMG! He wants to allow people to die with dignity, and force hospitals to provide healthcare? The Bastard! String him up! Get God down here to deal with these pesky humans who try to govern themselves (never mind that it’s what He told us to do)!



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Art

posted November 3, 2010 at 5:12 pm


ref: OMG!
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ref: He wants to allow people to die with dignity,
Abortion is Murder! Euthanasia is not “dying with dignity”! God allowed his only Begotten Son to be brutally Murdered by Man, in order to Redeem Man! When one suffers, he/she can enter into the “Passion of Christ”, in some way enter into that Mystery of his dying, rising, for All Mankind! Euthanasia is not Dignity! And, as the ‘STATE’ is now controlling the $$$, how long before Denial of Care, forced Euthanasia, Killing of Born Downs children, designer babies, become commonplace!
ref: and force hospitals to provide healthcare?
Abortion is not Healthcare!!! Clear yet!
ref: The Bastard!
I believe his mother was Legally Married to his Philandering Father at the time of Barak’s birth! Lots of his Siblings are Bastards, but I don’t believe he is one! But a Defender of the Murder of the “Most Innocent of Innocents”, yes, that describes him to a tee!
ref: String him up!
Besides a defender of the Murder of our unborn, are you also a RACIST?
ref: Get God down here to deal with these pesky humans
He is Here! The Holy Spirit was Sent after Christ Rose! Can’t you feel Him Man?
ref: who try to govern themselves
we were TOLD to Govern ourselves according to his Word! That would be the 10 commandments, and Christ’s new commandments: “Love one another as I have loved you”, and “Love you Neighbor as yourself”!
ref: (never mind that it’s what He told us to do)!
You must be very young, or very lonely, to rail against God as you do!
Without God, you couldn’t take that next Breath of Air!
Again, why do Pagans, and the Defenders of the Murder of the Most Innocent of Innocents post on this site and on Catholic.org? Maybe you are not that far gone that you can’t realize you need faith! We who know the Truth can help you to gravitate to the Light! If it isn’t from God, it is from Satan!
If you are not serving God, you are serving Satan! Satan doesn’t care whether you are an Atheist, or an Agnostic, either way you are closer to him than to God, if you deny God’s Existence!



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Art

posted November 3, 2010 at 5:15 pm


Can the system administrator make the two security words a little easier to decypher?
I have to try 3 or 4 times to enter a note!
“If you were still in your mother’s womb, do you mind if she aborts you?”
“It’s easy to be Pro-Choice when you are not the one being Killed!”



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HG

posted November 3, 2010 at 5:20 pm


Actually, abortion services do fall under the heading of “healthcare”. Performed by a physician you know.
Clear yet?



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posted November 3, 2010 at 5:43 pm


ref: Actually, abortion services do fall under the heading of “healthcare”.
Sure they do, supporter of the Murder of the Most Innocent of Innocents!
“If you were still in your mother’s womb, do you mind if she aborts you”!
You Liberals would be the first to demand a ‘right to life’!
No, I do not know any Abortionists! I’m sure with 43% of American women having an Abortion, that I do know many many Murderers!
When a Society has lost it’s women, the society is doomed to fail!
Men do no Commit Abortion! Women Do! A woman’s Heart must be changed to stop this genocide!
I’ve sired 4 children! If there was not God, I may welcome your murdering of your kids, heck less competition, right, Darwinism at it’s pinnacle! The Intentional killing of the “Next Generation” is simply MADNESS, God or Not! But as their is a Triune God, then it is Murder!
Please all you Liberals, don’t kill any unborn babies today!
Please don’t counsel any woman to kill her unborn baby today!
Please don’t lend her money to kill her unborn baby today!
Please don’t drive her to the clinic to kill her unborn baby today!
Please don’t tell her that it’ll be ‘okay’ after she kills her unborn baby today!
Just for today, take a Break from the Murder of the Most Innocent of Innocents! You may find you like yourself a whole lot more than yesterday!
Just a thought! But, I know, I’m the Dangerous one, the one that defends LIFE!!! The DevilCrat Party of Death is the Nice party! Obama is your leader, what a Nice, Tolerant, Baby Killer our President is!



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posted November 3, 2010 at 5:54 pm


Art: “ref: Actually, abortion services do fall under the heading of ‘healthcare’.
Sure they do”
Excellent. Very few people on this site admit it when they’re wrong. When some illogic in their comment is pointed out, they simply pretend to not notice.
Art: “But, I know, I’m the Dangerous one”
I suggest you switch to decaf Art, but thanks again for your honesty.



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posted November 3, 2010 at 6:09 pm


jrthecat,
Actually, you confuse ‘mind’ and ‘brain’. Two different things I am sorry to say. A person can have a brain and behave mindlessly, i.e. believing in magic or believing that prayer is effective. Often, the person acting mindlessly does so because of early childhood brainwashing, often called Sunday School.
So, as it is so often with you Christians, you shoot off your mouth before you think. Part of that never-ending mindlessness I believe.
I also note that you tell DSJulian “You can’t possibly believe the death of a person attracts less attention from God.”
Geez, try to get a grip here. I doubt you are qualified to determine what another person is capable of believing.



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HG

posted November 3, 2010 at 6:30 pm


Hey Rich. Probably another of those who rant and disappear; not interested in, or capable of, logical discussion or civilized debate. I think it’s kind of strange that people who get their information from God are so unwilling and incapable.



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Cynthia

posted November 3, 2010 at 8:26 pm


The last commentary I submitted yesterday night was not posted. It seems the moderator is afraid to post what I have to say.



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Cynthia

posted November 3, 2010 at 8:34 pm


It seems HG does not work. He has been posting things here since yesterday all day long. Probably another entitled American who does not need to work because receive everything free from his government’s nanny.



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Jill

posted November 3, 2010 at 8:54 pm


Reminds me of a certain political cartoon posted on my refrigerator..
in which President Obama is depicted in a cemetery, his comprehensive health care reform fully in swing.. with him standing alongside a grave, apologizing to doctors (elephants) for the last minute consultation for the patient.. i.e. the poor guy in the cemetery plot. Now maybe I am wrong, but somehow I get the impression that Obamacare is an illusionary title masking for only the survival of the fittest. So if you are already gravely ill, or aging, maybe Obamacare won’t be your~ pardon the expression ~cup of tea. It may not help that the President’s position on abortion is favorable.
I was formerly a Democrat, seemingly in another life, but things have certainly changed for me a great deal in the past four years, in my continued walk with God.
The phrase “A woman’s right to choose” doesn’t make sense to me in that strictly limited context any longer, and hasn’t for a long time now. Too many women approach the topic of life, that of the unborn, as if it is only a whim, inconvenience, or sudden unexpected consequence they must be forced to deal with. Women in general, young women especially~ need to take proper responsibility for their morality, actions, and personal lives. Men may or may not support the notion of a woman carrying their child; therefore, it is up to the woman primarily in many instances to make this all important decision to have the baby, even if the father protests, or tries to encourage abortion. If a woman is walking with God, and involved in a righteous relationship with her husband, there is no decision to make. That life is there for a reason.. God put this incredible life there as a blessing for husband and wife. Even if a single woman finds herself pregnant, this incredible life is also created by God, and it is her primary duty, and responsibility as the mother of the child, to see that this precious life thrives, and survives..
With a mature, and moral outlook on something as serious as carrying a life within their own bodies, women can make the right decision to plan to have a child. A life should not be a mistake. A surprise maybe, but not a mistake.!
One night just before Christmas several years ago, I began watching what I thought was another typical home for the holidays Christmas movie on TBN. It was based on actual events, concerning a young girl who had an abortion, without her father’s knowledge or consent, much to his chagrin. He forgave his daughter, and offered her emotional support, but she later regretted her hastily made decision. It was graphic, for good reason, and it was truly horrifying to think of how an abortion is technically accomplished. Not to mention the spiritual ramifications. It literally made me ill watching this “procedure.” It is murder, plain and simple; there is no other explanation for the deliberate taking of an innocent life, in such a brutal, violent fashion. Those who perform the “procedure” are the true guilty, often rushing frightened young women who are alone and bewildered, having had no prior counselling, into consenting to abortion. The medical personnel stand to make a small fortune as a result of every abortion performed. (Some of the nurses who assist with abortions later find God, become Christians, and want to discuss the chilling reality of abortion as a medically based business.) Of course, that was the intent of the movie.. an unfortunate, yet revealing depiction of Reality.. a wake-up call.
If you’re OK with the death of the unborn, survival of only the fittest, and with promoting death somewhat casually, then I guess some might say that you could possibly be classified as an “Angel of Death.” If one prefers to be classified as an “Angel of Life,” it stands to reason that one might be pro-life, actively interested in health~ as in the extension of, and prolonging of life for the sick, the health of children, and the rights of the unborn, who literally have no voice in the matter. (Someone like Mother Teresa comes to mind as such an angel of mercy..)



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posted November 3, 2010 at 9:29 pm


Judging by your other comments, Cynthia, the moderator probably saved you some embarrassment. Your over-hasty, and erroneous, judgment of my living circumstances seems likely to be right in line with most of your conclusions.
Jill, Republicans had control for many years and did nothing to change the law underlying “a woman’s right to choose”. Why is it that you seem to associate such Godliness with them now? Neither political party has any ability to overturn establilshed American jurisprudence, i.e. the Roe decision. When I posted the facts, Cynthia clammed up. Do you think that by ignoring facts, they cease to exist?
You would relieve, if you could, all Americans of a Liberty granted by the blood of our forefathers and the U.S. Constitution. I understand that, but you must understand that it isn’t going to happen while our Constitution stands. I stand by the Constitution, and I wish plague and misery unto those who would supplant it with theocracy.



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posted November 3, 2010 at 9:44 pm


Cynthia,
What a freakin’ tool you are! Did it ever occur in your pinhead that maybe HG is retired? Or on vacation? Or being held hostage in a cell by some radical Christian fundamentalists but with a WiFi equipped laptop?
Geez, another moron with a keyboard!
Your leap to the conclusion that HG was “probably another entitled American…” is about as well founded as your conclusion that “since the planet is here, Jesus must have died on a cross.” Any more stellar examples of your ability to draw logical conclusions?
BTW, I am retired. You got a problem with that? Can I post when I want to or do you need some sort of financial verifications?



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Art

posted November 3, 2010 at 9:46 pm


so HG, you do not believe in God, certainly not the Triune God! You Believe that Man’s Law (right to Privacy extending to the Womb) trumpts God’s law! It does not!
You state that ‘those that get their information from God’, then you summarily dismiss us!
Why do you Godless Pagans post on Sites that purport to have a Faith in God? do you believe that we truly want to Debate God’s law with you?
If you do, you are truly lost!
And as to your ‘picking apart my posts’! Wow! You think I’m Dangerous when you and others defend the Intentional Killing of the “Most Innocent of Innocents”!
so big guy, answer the Question:
“If you were still in your Mother’s womb, do you mind if she aborts you!” You’d mind! I’d Mind, but the difference between me and you, is that you don’t mind, provided it’s not you being killed!!!
Those that lead Knowingly lead others astray, that is away from God, are going to be held accountable! Not by me, but by God!
Please don’t kill any babies today…
Please don’t counsel one to kill any babies today..
Just for today, pretend you love God, and the Creatures that were “made in his image”! You may actually like yourself!



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Art

posted November 3, 2010 at 9:51 pm


ref: I stand by the Constitution, and I wish plague and misery unto those who would supplant it with theocracy.
Of course your do, Liberal Lost EWE!
Show Us Conservative Christians where in the Constitution it states that a Woman can kill her unborn child! Please, which amendment in the Bill of rights spells it out Explicitly!
We’ll wait! Cricket sounds…. Cricket sounds….
Abortion philosophy started with Darwin, extended to Evil Margaret Sanger, founder of the Eugenics movement, was perfected by Hitler, and then 5 Activist Liberal Looney Tune Supreme Court Judges Extended a “right to Privacy” to a Woman’s Womb! Complete Insanity!!!
And, as this is a site that purports to Love and Serve God, Please explain to us why Abortion is not Murder! Speaking from the perspective of the Triune God!!!!
We’ll wait!!!!



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Art

posted November 3, 2010 at 9:56 pm


ref: udging by your other comments, Cynthia, the moderator probably saved you some embarrassment
Those that speak the Truth are never embarrassed!!! And, we’re certainly not embarrassed to expose the Evil of Abortion!
Imagine a Woman intentionally Killing her child! What Husband would not dive in front of his Pregant Wife and take a bullet in order to save his unborn child? What mother wouldn’t push her baby carriage out of the way of a speeding car and take the impact of the car in order to save her just born child! What mother doesn’t stop drinking/smoking/etc once she realizes that she has a “Gift from God” in her womb?
I think I know of a few that don’t fit these descriptions! HG for example!



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Art

posted November 3, 2010 at 9:58 pm


ref: Can I post when I want to or do you need some sort of financial verifications?
As this is a site called “beliefnet”, it follows that those that post ‘believe’ in God!
Seems lots of you are simple Agitators! Lost Little Ewes!
So sad to Hate those that love the born and Unborn and don’t mind being made fun of for sport!
Lock and Load oh retired one!!!



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HG

posted November 3, 2010 at 9:59 pm


This being a debate blog, yes, I had hoped to encounter some modicum of serious debate. I understand that you, Art, don’t want to debate. I’m not surprised. Lots of questions from you, but only one answer; something equivalent to “because I know this is what God wants”.
Rrrrriiiiiiiiggggghhhhhht!



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Art

posted November 3, 2010 at 10:12 pm


ref: don’t want to debate.
It is not possible for a Catholic to ‘debate’ abortion! I’ll debate taxes, illegal immigration, cutting Randy Moss, raising taxes, attacking our enemies, but Catholics Cannot ‘debate’ abortion!
It is an Intrinsic Evil! It kills the “Most Innocent of Innocents”!
That is what the Catholic Church Teaches! That is a “Catholic” Tenant!
So, I’m sorry if I misled you that I wanted to debate Abortion! I want to stop the Scourge of Abortion! I want those that speak of this as a “Woman’s Right to Choose”, to stop Spreading Lies! To stop hurting a woman’s soul by enabling/counseling her to commit a Mortal Sin!
If you are not Christian in General or Catholic in Particular than we shouldn’t converse about Abortion! No Point!
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posted November 3, 2010 at 10:21 pm


re: Catholics Cannot ‘debate’ abortion!
It is an Intrinsic Evil! It kills the “Most Innocent of Innocents”!
No, I never thought you wanted a debate. But it leaves Catholics in the odd position of living under the U.S. Constitution, and swearing allegiance to it, while not supporting it. They hold religious text, or their teachings of it, above the Constitution. I find that similar to the hypothetical man dressed in full Muslim garb who frightens Juan Williams (and others of us) for the same reason.
Peace.



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Art

posted November 3, 2010 at 10:38 pm


ref: So, as it is so often with you Christians,
Hey Pagan boy, just why do you Post on this Site? If you want guidance about God, then I understand, if you simply want to demonstrate your Ignorance of God, then please go Away! You are lost! Mean spirited! You aid in the second worst Crime Man has ever committed! The first being when Our Collective Sin Killed the Christ!!! Your Sin, My Sin, the Sin of all those that have ever been born or ever will be born KILLED the CHRIST!!! That is the Worst Sin Ever! The second Worst Sin is ABORTION!
A woman does not “Have and Abortion”, she “Commits Abortion”!!! One does not “Have a Murder”, on “Commits Murder”!!! Clear Yet!!!
Why do you Hate Women so Much that you would allow, and Advocate as Her “Right”, Her Intentional Killing of Her Child!!! God gave that Child a Soul when her and her male ‘partner’ gave it a body!!! You had a Soul once! God gave you one! Are you still in Possession of it? Do you deny you have a Soul? If you do have one, where did you get it, at Walmart? On Sale, perhaps!!!
ref: you shoot off your mouth before you think.
So, Liberal Defender of the Murder of the “Most Innocent of Innocent”, you think that I and others ‘shoot our mouths off’, do you really? Then why all the venom against us? If were are not really thinking about what we write, why the Hatred? Fact is, we BELIEVE As an Intrinsic TRUTH that Abortion is MURDER!!! That God gave you a SOUL at the Moment of Conception! That each and every ‘just conceived’ has a “GOD GIVEN” right to Life!!!!
Clear Yet???
And you HATE US CHRISTIANS for THAT!!!!
2000 years and counting, nothing new with the Hatred of the World!!!
Part of that never-ending mindlessness I belie
So, once again, I’ll ask three questions that you Liberal Defenders of the “Murder of the Most Innocent of Innocents” won’t answer!
“If you were still in your Mother’s womb, do you mind if she aborts you?”
“Why do you Un-Believers Post on this site?”
“Do you really believe that we are going to be Swayed towards Darkness and Satan by your Argument “that it’s not a baby”, “a woman’s ‘right to choose'”, etc, etc!
What is the point of your Antagonistic Behavior????
Are you so Sad and Lost that all as you have to do is attack those who Love God and ‘DEFEND LIFE’? What is your Problem? Oh, and how many Children have you made? How many women have you counseled to Kill their unborn? And what is your problem, baby Killers?



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Art

posted November 3, 2010 at 10:45 pm


ref: They hold religious text, or their teachings of it, above the Constitution.
Exactly!!! After 1/2 a day of pummeling one another, we Agree!!!
But, just exactly What in the “New Testament” is Contrary to the Constitution, as Written?
And, I’ve read and have been studying the Koran and the Hadiths for over 3 years!
If I was a Muslim, You should be very AFRAID of ME! I love God very Much! You see, I’m a bit of a Knucklehead! I was like Thomas! I needed Proof!!!!
So, after I had finished reading the Koran, I was very angry with Muslims! The Holy Spirit “Rocked my World”!!! I’ve had 2 experiences that we “Of God”! No Doubt!!! Set on Fire Basically!!
So, I cannot Deny what I know to be the Truth!!! Jesus Christ is Lord! He is the “good shepard”, the “gate”, “no one sees the Father with the Son”!
So, I am not “free” to Debate!!! Sorry for my bold talk! Can’t help it!
Once again, I served 10 years in the USAF! I worked on the Short Range Attack Missile and the Air Launched Cruise Missile! Both Nuclear Tipped!!! I used to bow down to the “Nuclear God”!!! Like Dr. Strangelove, or how I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb!
The Koran is a very scary book!!! Nothing like the “Good news”!!!
Peace!



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Art

posted November 3, 2010 at 10:48 pm


ref: “no one sees the Father with the Son”!
should read: “no one sees the Father except through the Son”!



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posted November 3, 2010 at 10:50 pm


re: “Why do you Un-Believers Post on this site?”
This is “a debate blog about church, state, faith, and politics”. Clear yet?
Zygotes and embryos aren’t “babies”. Clear yet?
“Murder” is a legal term and abortion doesn’t qualify. Clear yet?
Some people don’t believe in your God or any god at all, and there is no requirement that they should. Clear yet?
The U.S. Constitution is the law of the land in America, not the Bible or the Quran or The Lord of The Rings. Clear yet?



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Cynthia

posted November 3, 2010 at 11:03 pm


“Or would it be incumbent upon the State to take, and care for (through adulthood), all unwanted embryos greater than five days old?”
This guy HG is such an ignorant of medicine. He knows nothing and he wants to agitate because he deeply thinks he’s entitled of an brilliant mind in his own point of view. Embryo of five days old? LOL. Go to school. Get some knowledge. Study. Try to learn something true.
It’s amazing how ignorant are these people who defend abortion in this site. Incredible! Get some education. Go to medical school.
Ah, Rich is also ignorant and should go to medical school too. After Both HG and Rick get any knowledge you can come back here to say “I am sorry Cynthia. I am sorry Art. You were right. I apologize”.



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Art

posted November 3, 2010 at 11:06 pm


ref: This is “a debate blog about church, state, faith, and politics”. Clear yet?
I don’t mind debating: State, politics, but I fail to see how a site called beliefnet would debate “faith, or church”!
And, those that Believe in Triune God cannot accept Abortion!
Sounds like you’re upset with me again! I’ve stated many facts!
I’ve asked several Questions:
“If you were still in your mother’s womb, do you mind if she aborts you?”
Can you answer this questions Honestly? Or at All? Come on, can you simply answer it?
And, one more question: “When would you want your Mother to Mourn you for the rest of her natural Life?, when she Kills you at 1 month in the womb, 2 months in the womb, 3 … 4…. 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 Months in the womb? I lost a baby 29 years ago at 5 months in the womb! I know, You believe, I lost a “woman’s choice”, but I know better! I still think and love that baby! So, when would you want your mother to mourn you? Can you Honestly Answer the Question? Should she mourn you if she ‘wanted you’, and she miscarried? And, of course, she shouldn’t ‘mourn you’ if she ‘chose’ to kill you, right, because you were still ‘her choice’! You were not a “Mother’s Choice” when she Conceived YOU!!! You were a “Gift from GOD”!!! Believe it or Not!!! This is what/who you are up against when you argue that “Abortion” is a “Woman’s Right”!!!
I was born in 1960!!! Until 1973, I lived in a Country called the U.S. of A. that did NOT ALLOW the “MURDER of the Most Innocent of Innocents”!!! So don’t tell me that it is settled law, or that I’m somehow a “threat” to those that Hate God and Kill the Unborn!!!
A Woman’s Heart Kills the Unborn!!! The Abortion Doctor Does Not! The bullet is not the Problem, nor the gun, nor the hardness of the bullet, or the speed of the bullet, or that man is “flesh and blood”, created in “God’s Image!!”!!!
Women Commit Abortion!!! Men do Not!!!
So HG, are you a Man or a Woman???? If a man, you’re not relevant, save for the Counsel and Lies that you tell to women!!! Men do not Commit Abortion!!! Women Do!!
The Bruins are up 4-0 in the second, and you’ve got me going, so you got it!
Oh, one more thing:
“If you were still in your mother’s womb, do you mind if she aborts you”?
and
“Why do you post on this site? We who Believe, are not Pagans!!”
No Offense! You simply sap the strength from us! educating Pagans in the ways of God is a very long process. Especially when they have ears and cannot hear.
Peace! I hate these “two words” to post! ARRGGGHHH! ‘narrow. numbill’, i think



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Cynthia

posted November 3, 2010 at 11:07 pm


“Zygotes and embryos aren’t “babies” ” No HG, zygotes and embryos are lethal virus. LOL. The more you type, the more ignorance you show.



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HG

posted November 3, 2010 at 11:08 pm


My, Cynthia, what a font of knowledge you are. You said absolutely nothing, as usual.



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posted November 3, 2010 at 11:17 pm


Thank you Art for your awesome postings. Wonderful!



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posted November 3, 2010 at 11:17 pm


I’ve asked several questions too Art. Being in such close contact with the Almighty, perhaps you wouldn’t mind answering a few of them. But no, I really wouldn’t think so, and I’m sure I would find them to be most unsatisfactory anyway. “God told me” isn’t a good reason because what God says varies widely from person to person.
You are mistaken if you think I am in any way upset by your refusal of basic fact, that is no reflection on me. It is settled law. I posted it for all to read. Done deal since 1973.
I fear Art will wind up in prison beside his buddy Scott Roeder. Perhaps you two can have a “God experience” together, I hear he’s what they call a “front-seater” now.



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Rich

posted November 3, 2010 at 11:22 pm


Art,
I see we have another hyper-vocal idiot for Jesus in our midst. You seem to think that this board is only for those afflicted with a belief in the ridiculous. Sorry there buddy but you don’t know what you are talking about. No surprise there. You are typical of the Christians who post here, a lot of frothing at the mouth which culminates in you barfing on your keyboard and calling it wisdom. You do make me laugh though, I’ll give you that.
In spite of all that, as HG points out above, there are facts in the universe that don’t simply go away because they are too difficult for you to comprehend. Case in point, the terms of service for this site:
Eligibility for Beliefnet.com Registration and Account Security
Use of the Beliefnet Services is limited to users aged 13 years and above. All registration information you submit to create an account must be accurate and must be kept updated. You are responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of your password and are responsible for all use of your account. It is therefore critical that you do not share your password with anyone. You agree not to use the account, username, email address or password of another member or subscriber at any time. You agree to notify Beliefnet immediately if you suspect any unauthorized use of, or access to, your account or password. Beliefnet shall retain the right to change your username for any reason, including, without limitation, if the username you have selected violates this Agreement.
Gee, I don’t see any requirement that one believe in stupidity to be able to post here. I guess that was just an assumption on your part. Great assumption! Got any more?



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Cynthia

posted November 3, 2010 at 11:22 pm


Hg are you expecting any teaching? No no. You had your chance to get some knowledge. Now, do a favor for yourself. Get some education. It’s so boring to read your postings because they have absolute zero knowledge. Just a bunch of biased bla-bla-bla. Biased liberal atheist postings. No science, no knowledge. Sooo boring…..



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HG

posted November 3, 2010 at 11:22 pm


Why is it, Cynthia, that you clammed up tight after my posting of the actual Roe decision? Do you often have difficulty dealing with facts?



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Cynthia

posted November 3, 2010 at 11:24 pm


@ Jill: Awesome!! It is such a wonderful experience to be able to analyze issues in a right way and to have a new perspective in changing your mind toward what is just and right.



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HG

posted November 3, 2010 at 11:25 pm


No Cynthia, I think it’s safe to say that I harbor no expectation of learning anything from you. How could I, …you never say anything.



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Rich

posted November 3, 2010 at 11:26 pm


Art,
You may also want to view the ‘rule of conduct’ for this site. Nothing there about being required to believe either. Gosh, what a surprise. Rule #11 is interesting though.



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Art

posted November 3, 2010 at 11:28 pm


ref: what God says varies widely from person to person.
No “God” is Immutable! Have you ever read the “New Testament”?
ref: I fear Art will wind up in prison beside his buddy Scott Roeder.
Did Scott “Murder” someone, an Abortion docta Perhaps?
As, I stated HG “Little EWE”, The Abortion Doctors (Although EVIL), are not the Problem, a Woman’s Heart is? Do you not read well? Now that you’ve taken to ‘Insulting’ me, I’ll give ya a little back, okay, Lost Little Ewe? What questions have you asked me? I’ve stated I served 10 years, I can give you my unit, okay? Have you served, oh, sorry, I know that answer!
so answer my questions about your mother aborting you! Okay, Mr, or Mz Defender of the Murder of the Most Innocent of Innocents!
And, as Abortion was only ‘legalized’ since 1973 and was once illegal, why would you believe it is “settled law”? Do you think that those who know the Truth will ever stop telling the Truth!
You seem to have a vested interest in the Murder of the Most innocent of Innocents!!! I admit to having a vested interest in the Birth of the Most Innocent of Innocents! So, just Whom do you Serve, God or Satan? Oh, remember Pagan Boy, this is a sight that Believes in the Truth that “Jesus Christ is Lord”!
Go!



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posted November 3, 2010 at 11:32 pm


HG,
I am always struck by the weirdos who seem to come out of the woodwork around here, Art and Cynthia for example. I am always glad the internet exists and I don’t actually have to know these people. If I were out in my front yard and and one of these delusional individuals started talking to me about the fantasy world in which they live, I would pack up and move as far away as I could. Never safe to live next to the mentally unstable.



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Art

posted November 3, 2010 at 11:32 pm


ref: Nothing there about being required to believe either.
It’s obvious HG and others don’t believe! I asked why he/she posts!
Seems silly to want to Argue with those that won’t budge, on Issues of God or the Murder of the Most Innocent of Innocents!
And, also, HG won’t answer a single Question posed to him/her! I’ve answered each and every one HG has asked, if not, ask again, I’ll answer!
Oh, one more thing: “If you were still in your mother’s womb, do you mind if she aborts you?”
‘rhoppes another’ nice two words
ps: Please don’t abort your Baby tomorrow Either!!!



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posted November 3, 2010 at 11:37 pm


re: And, as Abortion was only ‘legalized’ since 1973 and was once illegal, why would you believe it is “settled law”?
No insult to you, unless you’re homophobic, and even then it was hypothetical. You take insult too easily.
I think, Art, that you are the one whose reading comprehension needs a refresher course. With the decision of Roe came the conclusion that abortion had ALWAYS been constitutionally legal. Did you not read the decision? Do you understand nothing of constitutional law?
Settled. 1973. Done. Forever after in the U.S.A. Your refusal to accept factual information doesn’t make it go away.



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posted November 3, 2010 at 11:37 pm


ref: If I were out in my front yard and and one of these delusional individuals started talking to me about the fantasy world in which they live, I would pack up and move as far away as I could. Never safe to live next to the mentally unstable.
There are more of us who “know the Truth” than you think!
and, oh, insulting lost little Ewe,
“If you were still in your mother’s womb, do you mind if she aborts you?”, well , do ya? Punk! (borrowed without permission from Dirty Harry)
You Pagans sap the strength from those that believe!!! Good Job Pagan Boys!!! Now go and kill something! Maybe even an unborn baby!
And, I know you’re not Afraid of me, or else you’d never speak against me!



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Art

posted November 3, 2010 at 11:40 pm


Car 54 over and out!
Enough Said! Abortion is as Far from Justice save for the Murder of the Christ that Man could get!
. No Discussion!



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HG

posted November 3, 2010 at 11:41 pm


Yes Rich, amazing to encounter such throw-backs. They’re hard to study though, because they aren’t coherent. I think that means they’re on the way out.



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Art

posted November 3, 2010 at 11:55 pm


ref: Yes Rich, amazing to encounter such throw-backs.
Throw-backs to what?
ref: They’re hard to study though,
Really, do you think so? We’re pretty clear: Abortion is Murder! what don’t you understand! oh, as to God, re-read previous posts! Are you 12 years young, lost little EWE? We, who know the Truth, are not in the Wrong on the Scourge of Abortion! Why are you so Ardently advocating for Abortion? Why do you Hate Women? Why do you Hate the Unborn? You were once an “Unborn”!!! Answer to any of my questions Coward! You Coward, stated that you asked me many questions, I stated I answered them, but if not, ask again, you get you ‘panties in a bunch’ and ‘Attack’, no substance, only DEATH!!!
What, in the name of God is Wrong with You? Where is your Heart for the UNBORN!!! Our little Neighbors? Are you a monster? Are you serving Satan?
Oh, so sorry, I’m a Throwback! Your worst nightmare come true!
Imagine, being THREATENED by LIFE!!! That DEATH Is Seen as Justice!!!
And, you think I’m the Insane one! Guess Again, Little EWE!
ref: because they aren’t coherent
What did you “little mind” not understand? Be Specific please, little EWE!
Nice two words: conitive sentiment, someones having fun



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HG

posted November 4, 2010 at 12:06 am


Oh my, someone’s medication is wearing off. What is it that you fail to comprehend in the Roe decision? It’s very, very, clear. It’s been a done deal for over thirty five years and you’re still obsessing over it (and that’s only part of the reason I think you have mental problems).



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Catherine

posted November 4, 2010 at 12:12 am


Rich & HG = same person?
Who’s the alter ego?
Anything better to do with your retirement than to condescendingly berate, bully, and name call Christians?
We’re unimpressed.
We also fully realize your comments are less towards us, but worse, your hate is directly towards God.
Yes, Rich. God exists. You will never be Him.
However, you will be accountable to Him for every last hateful, reckless, and foolish word that is spewed from your lips.
You’re no atheist Rich. You have a god. It’s yourself you worship.
I feel sorry for you Rich, HG, or whoever you are.



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HG

posted November 4, 2010 at 12:34 am


I feel sorry for you too Catherine. Religious zealots often bubble and froth quite vigorously, like tea on the boil, but your tempest in a teapot is no match for the roar of the ocean of information which renders your belief farcical.



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Art

posted November 4, 2010 at 12:56 am


NO Comment, oh, is that a comment, no comment.



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HG

posted November 4, 2010 at 1:07 am


Your most valuable contribution, Art.



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Rich

posted November 4, 2010 at 1:09 am


Catherine,
re: “Anything better to do with your retirement than to condescendingly berate, bully, and name call Christians?”
Well, I do lots of things; golf, travel, woodwork, read, etc. However, there are perks in retirement so I do have to say that I try to reserve a bit of time each day to get online and condescendingly berate religious zealots like yourself who would try to force their sickness upon the innocents of this world. You wouldn’t deny me that bit of fun would you?
Also re: “your hate is directly towards God.”
Wow, you do seem to doing some intense lobbying for the “Moron of the Year” award, I am sure you will at least make the top ten. However, since I am an atheist and don’t believe in god or goddesses, it is sort of impossible for me to direct hate at something that doesn’t exist. I know you direct love at something that doesn’t exist but I am not insane and therefore do not.



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Rich

posted November 4, 2010 at 1:11 am


Art,
You remind me of the mother in that movie ‘Carrie’.



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HG

posted November 4, 2010 at 1:17 am


Rich, stop Stop STOP, you know what happens when I get started laughing!



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Rich

posted November 4, 2010 at 1:39 am


HG,
I was quite amused when you pointed out earlier that the implication of Roe v. Wade was that the right to abortion always existed. I could hear the rushing noise as that concept flew right over the heads of Catherine and Art.



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HG

posted November 4, 2010 at 2:01 am


Rich, you can be funny, really funny; but the posts that almost stroke me out laughing almost always come from the fundies. Guess they aren’t called that for nuthin’, heh heh.



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Your Name

posted November 4, 2010 at 2:45 am


Here’s a great example.
re: “Nice two words: conitive sentiment, someones having fun”
This was in rebuttal to my pointing out incoherence. Thought I was going to die!
re: “You Pagans sap the strength from those that believe!!!”
Don’t worry about it, it all winds up as laughter!



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Catherine

posted November 4, 2010 at 8:05 am


There you go with your name calling again Rich. It clearly makes you feel better and of course more powerful, to lash out and attack people when you’re feeling threatened. How pathetic.
“Moron of the year”??
Juvenile.
Sticks and stones.
You are one lonely, angry, and miserable man.



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Art

posted November 4, 2010 at 10:08 am


ref: re: “Nice two words: conitive sentiment, someones having fun”
These were the two words I had to type in to post my post! Are you also Ignorant?
ref: I was quite amused when you pointed out earlier that the implication of Roe v. Wade was that the right to abortion always existed.
So Rich, Does the U.S. Constitution spell out as a “right” to have an Abortion, or is it an “Implication”? Which is it smartie pants? A Right or an Implication?
Oh, you and HG should get a Room, you seem to enjoy each other a little too much! Here in MA, that is Fine! Have at it! Defenders of the “Murder of the Most Innocent of Innocents”!
“If you were still in your Mother’s womb, do you mind if she aborts You?”



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posted November 4, 2010 at 12:03 pm


Art,
re: “So Rich, Does the U.S. Constitution spell out as a “right” to have an Abortion, or is it an “Implication”? Which is it smartie pants? A Right or an Implication?”
Gosh, it is right after the section that says you have a right to bear a child if you so choose.



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Rich

posted November 4, 2010 at 12:42 pm


Catherine,
re: “You are one lonely, angry, and miserable man.”
Well, let’s see. It is clear blue skies and probably going to be just under 70 degrees here in the Seattle area today. The leaves are in full autumn color under a bright sun. You are right I am going to totally miserable and lonely today with 3 friends as we knock off 18 holes. Lunch at the 19th hole will likely be miserable as well.



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Art

posted November 4, 2010 at 1:36 pm


Another Moonbat from Seattle! Do you know Max that posts on the Boston Herald! She’s also an Abortionist!
So, answer some of the questions posed to you:
Like why do you post on a site called Beliefnet! and on an article by a Catholic Priest? Do you really think we who know the Truth are going to be swayed by you Evil Lies?
As to you Golfing, Lets see if you blog all day! If so, you must have 4G on your Ipad, and you ‘care’ so much about us that you could not resist posting!
“If you were still in your mother’s womb, do you mind if she aborts you?”
Coward!



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Catherine

posted November 4, 2010 at 2:11 pm


Let’s face it Rich-
Art has got you. You might be able to smack down the women on this website (hence the bully and name calling) but when you go head to head with a man, you lose.
Not feeling so powerful now, huh?
In addition to self, chances are your god is golf…have fun at worship.



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Pam

posted November 4, 2010 at 2:31 pm


comparing Obama to the Angel of Death-Isn’t this taking it a bit too far?- no.



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HG

posted November 4, 2010 at 3:21 pm


Art, I see you haven’t yet learned how to read on your own, you have to ask Rich to explain things to you. And there’s Catherine, riding your coat-tails like a fart.
Does calling Rich names make you guys lonely, angry, and miserable? Do you think, Catherine, that men are so much “tougher” than women in arguments that Rich was able to “smack down” the women but not Art? Women just can’t muster the same energy as men in arguments, is that what you’re saying? Really?
As for Art “having” anything, …maybe a case of crabs, but otherwise, what he has is a failure to understand the Roe decision and a decided lack of coherence and cohesive thought. Oh, it’s cohesive when it’s within the event horizon of that black hole you call the Bible, but outside of that comfort zone his arguments rapidly disintegrate.



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Art

posted November 4, 2010 at 5:58 pm


ref: As for Art “having” anything, …maybe a case of crabs
Really! This is all you Got Big Tough “Defender of the Murder of the Most Innocent of Innocents”! Saying a Catholic is also a Slut! Nice Talk Mr Baby Killer!!!
I’ve asked you many questions? You’ve answered none of them!
As to Roe vs Wade! We who know the Truth do not Care about Roe vs Wade! Man’s law does not Trump God’s law!
You are an Ignorant Atheist, who has his reward already! You enjoy baiting others for sport! You attack those that Defend Life with Zeal! You are not an Honorable Human Being, if you are still Human at all! You pick on Girls, and lose!
ref: but outside of that comfort zone his arguments rapidly disintegrate.
Really now Little Ewe! Two of my co-workers have read this thread, one a Jew and one a Pagan, and they think You got your Butt Kicked!!!
I’ve stated Facts! Stated God’s Law! Asked you many questions, received no answers!
“If you were still in your mother’s womb, do you mind if she abort you?”
“Why do you Evil Pagans post on this Site!!!” It is not called “Unbeliefnet!”
No mas, no mas! The Evil doers will Meet God one day! And they are not going to be able to stand behind “Roe Vs Wade”!!!
Arrgh: APPENDX partiye I think!



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HG

posted November 4, 2010 at 6:59 pm


Ah, hah, hah. Oh dear, the phrase “it’s a no-brainer” came from someone talking about you!
You have nothing to say, and nothing to contribute except a lot of name-calling and trying to convince people that you have “God’s Law” straight from the horses mouth. Facts, HAH! The breathed inerrant Word of the Lord Almighty? HAH! Fiction, pure fiction.
And yes, we’ve already established that you are a traitor to your country. That you would replace our Constitution with a theocracy. Who would rule, the Pope? Hah! What a joke! The Pope gets the word from God and passes it along to the rest of humanity? Ah-Hah-hah-hah! Puh-leeze, spare me your inanity.
For a debate blog, there sure is precious little conversation about what your religion really says or means on this site. Just a few mean-spirited malcontents who want to overthrow the government.



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Catherine

posted November 4, 2010 at 7:14 pm


Art,
You said it exactly. He trys to bait others for “sport”, as if his golf god isn’t enough.
Rich/HG (same person) is just a bully who is full of hate. He pretends he wants to “exchange ideas” and have “healthy debate” yet, what he really desires is to attempt to prove just how intelligent he is (which, as you can see, he loses arguments with men) all the while, putting others down.
He enjoys the opportunity to belittle and humiliate women. It feels good to him. My guess–probably has mommy issues, wife issues, girl that left him issues.
Its pathetic, really.
It takes a seriously insecure person to hate someone who merely disagrees with him.
He worships his own intellect, but truth is–he hates himself.



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Art

posted November 4, 2010 at 7:19 pm


ref: Just a few mean-spirited malcontents who want to overthrow the government.
Yes, that would be you and your girlfriend Richie! Two peas in a pod! An atheist Pod! Must be very sad to attack the Light! To Condemn the Triune God to nothingness! How is coming from the “Primordial ooozzzeee” working out for you, eh, Pagan Boy!
I’ve spelled out the Invasion of Iraq, Astan, the Churches teachings against abortion, and asked you many questions! You claim you asked me some and I didn’t answer. I said ask again! Pagan Boy!
I never ever said I wanted the U.S. of A. to be a Theocracy! I could live in one though, so you Hate me for that!
Why would I care if you who Hates me, Kills your children? Why would I care! Because God (yes pagan boy) God Commands us to ‘Love our Neighbors as thyself’!
that is what a fetus, zygot, Unborn Baby is, our Littlest neighbor!!! We who know the Truth don’t give a Damn about the ‘law’ of “roe vs wade”!
You sir have “Blood” on your hands! The blood of 53,000,000 Unborn babies!
and you have a very Dark heart! So, take a chill pill and don’t kill your girlfriends baby! I mean don’t abuse Richie!
“if you were still in your mother’s womb, do you mind if she aborts you!”
And, you do “pick on girls”, Big Tough Baby Killer!!! A lost Little EWE!!!
Time to leave work! 1 1/2 hour ride home, do my Castle in Theocracy Land!!!
Where no Pagans are allowed! You people are truly Mean Spirited Fools!!!
And ‘fool’ means one that doesn’t believe in God, okay, Fool!
And, Catherine don’t waste your time with these two trolls, oops I ‘name called’, I meant lost Little Ewes! They probably don’t even know what a Ewe is!
Catherine you have a “Morally formed Conscience”! God bless you!
The only upside to ‘frick and frak’ is that they cannot commit Abortion!!!
Well, HG wouldn’t say what sex it is, I think probably a Eunuch, as he claimed I had Crabs! He attacks those that love God with Sexual inferences!
It is on its way to it’s master, and it isn’t God!



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Your Name

posted November 4, 2010 at 8:24 pm


Oh dear Catherine, what an incredibly inaccurate reading you’ve given.
I am not baiting anyone. I came to a debate blog to debate. You find something strange about that? I find no debate. Instead, I find theocratic revolutionaries whose every sentence ends in exclamation. Whose presentation of evidence for their claims are sketchy, and whose refutation of my evidence presented is non-existent. Rich and I are not the same person, but I suspect Art is none other than the infamous Mr. I.
I do not belittle or humiliate women. You would turn women into breeding machines for the State. You would take away women’s Constitutional protection of Liberty and give it to the State. That makes you a simpleton in my opinion, but your descriptions of me are hardly more charitable.
Why won’t you talk? Why won’t you debate? Ah, that’s right, you CAN’T debate abortion. Not allowed by the Big Cheese, the Catholic Church? Why won’t you answer any questions?
Do you seriously believe the Earth was created in the year 4,004 B.C. on the 23rd of October at 9 am? –Or anything less than 3 billion years ago?
What of those souls who came and went long before Christ and know not His name, are they doomed? Just WHEN exactly does time expire for accepting Christ in order to get into Heaven? Before you die, after?
Why no response about my post of the Roe decision summary? It very clearly makes it an indivdual liberty and gives time frames, do you think it will go away if you pretend not to notice?
Do you believe the Bible is the inerrant Word of God; including talking snakes, virgin birth, embalmed dead being risen from the grave, the beasts of Revelation, Crime and Punishment in the Old Testament, that God’s eye is on every fallen sparrow …etc?
Do you really not understand why some of us have difficulty believing such a story? Knowing it was written long after the fact, edited, translated, edited, and edited some more, and was clearly taken by men to use as an Authority to exert and maintain vast power for centuries doesn’t give any reason to think it may not be EXACTLY the Divinely Inspired Word of God Himself, and true word for word?
I don’t know why you find it acceptable to exhibit such weak analytic power, or why you try to project anger or self-loathing onto us. The problem between us is that you would insinuate your belief that God wouldn’t like abortion (although He apparently has tolerated it pretty well since 1973) into the governing national policy. I don’t think you ought to be able to do that. It’s an individual Liberty. It’s the U.S. Constitution and everything we stand for. I don’t hate you for expressing your view, I’m just frustrated that you refuse to even acknowledge that an opposing, and better, argument exists.
Sorry Art (Mr. I?), no time for you. Seek professional council.



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Art

posted November 4, 2010 at 9:23 pm


ref: Sorry Art (Mr. I?), no time for you. Seek professional council.
Don’t know Mr. I. Was he also “spot on” about the Truth! That Abortion is Murder! Did he make you Uncomfortable in your Sin? So, now I am he! Huh, Mz Hg, I mean Mr. Richie, Defender of the Murder of the ‘Most Innocent of Innocents!!!!!!”
Once again, you attack a Woman!!!!!! Exclamation Point!!!!!
No time for the Man!!!!! Yes, the Bible is the inspired Word of God! Every Word!
so lets talk about Him making the Universe in 6 days and ‘resting’ on the 7th! He didn’t make the Sun and Moon to the 4th day, so what is a Day? Not an Earth day obviously! A Season is not Autumn, Winter, Spring, Summer necessarily in the Bible! Everything having a season, for a man may be his Youth, or his Middle age, etc!
And, Yes, Apparently Catherine and I Love the Catholic Church! I love the Pope, the Magisterium, Sacred Tradition, and Sacred Scripture!
I’m very successful in my professional and personal Life! I don’t need your Psycho Analyzing! You are a Baby Killer! You Hate the Unborn, poor Whites, Blacks, and Women!
Now, go and Attack Catherine! big tough Baby Killer!!!!!!!!!!!



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Art

posted November 4, 2010 at 9:25 pm


ref: Why won’t you answer any questions?
I’ve asked you and your girlfriend HG, why you won’t answer questions, so now you Bully a Woman with the same tact!
What a COWARD You Are!!! Have a Great time on Earth Pagan Boy, you have your Reward Already!



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Rich

posted November 4, 2010 at 10:09 pm


Catherine,
You are a delusional cult member who has reached escape velocity. Get some help.



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HG

posted November 4, 2010 at 10:24 pm


re: “Don’t know Mr. I. Was he also “spot on” about the Truth! That Abortion is Murder!”
Well, if you aren’t Mr. I, you have the same genetic predispositon for petulance, the same writing style, and the same aversion to facts.
I thought you had learned already that murder is a legal term (that was back about the time you admitted that abortion IS healthcare). I don’t believe there’s anything on the books for the crime of murder respecting any abortion procedure done within the parameters set forth in Roe. That makes your “truth” a lie, like most of your “truths”. Why do represent lie as truth? You think if you say them loud enough and long enough, lies become truth? You’re a bigger simp than either Catherine or Cynthia. Is that the “attack” you mention? Wow, you and Mr. I are two halves of the same half of a brain. I note the hyper-usage again of the exclamation points, the strong need for recognition and self-importance; it’s a classic identifier. (Probably stemming from childhood trauma based on the severity. No charge.)
You have stated that you hold the Bible (your interpretation of it) above the Constitution. I must assume that in an armed insurrection by Vatican forces you would bear arms against this country. Foul traitor. Yes, I could hate you for that. I hope the FBI is camped outside your dwelling as we speak. You are no better than the Pakistani who took our oath of citizenship only to betray us to his religious fanaticism.
Didn’t see, and am not likely to see, any answers from these posers. Again, one wonders if their reluctance to answer questions is due to a lack of debate/writing skills, a general lack of intelligence, or paranoia.



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Art

posted November 4, 2010 at 10:40 pm


ref: That makes your “truth” a lie, like most of your “truths”. Why do represent lie as truth?
As Pontius Pilate Infamously Asked the Christ: “Truth, What is Truth?”
You game is as old as Humans!
ref: You think if you say them loud enough and long enough, lies become truth?
That would be you Pagan Boy! Jesus Christ (God) told us that the World Hated Him, and that the World would Hate us for Loving Him!!!!!!!!
You and Richie and Your Name, probably all 3 one in the same are Fools!
I stated I didn’t Care About Roe Vs Wade! That Man’s Law Did NOT Trump God’s Law! You Hate God, Deny God, Kill his Children, Kill Woman by allowing them to Kill their Children, and then you Attack those that love him on a Website Called “Beliefnet”! Not “Unbeliefnet”!!!
Take your tired old Lies and Lack of Argument and Stick it in you Ear!
You are a very sad or Sadistic person to attack those that Love God! That recite his Words mostly word for word!
We are told by Paul to wipe the dust from our feet if you reject the Teachings of Christ Twice! You’ve rejected his teachings most or all of your Miserable (absence of God = Miserable you) Life!
So, Carry on! I can’t waste any more cycles on you! You are only one Soul, a Lonely, Sadistic, God Hating, Abortion Defending, Woman Bashing Soul, and only the Holy Spirit can help you! So, I’ll defer from any more instruction to you and your girlfriend Richie, and Your Name!
Catherine, I suggest you also “wipe the dust from your feet” and leave these 3/1 in their Sin!
Oh, and if the Holy Spirit Sees Fit to “Rock your World,” I’ll call you Didymus and I won’t say to you, “I told you so”, but “I told you so!” Keith Urban
Here’s hoping you come into the Glory of Christ!
Oh, one more thing Baby Killer:
“If you were still in your Mother’s womb, do you mind if she aborts you?” Coward!



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HG

posted November 4, 2010 at 10:48 pm


You know Art, medication could help. It’s only a suggestion, but I hope you think about it.



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Rich

posted November 4, 2010 at 10:57 pm


Art,
Your Tourrettes is acting up and you keep asking why we won’t answer your questions. Kind of repetitive thing on your part. Of course, I am not immune, I remember repeatedly asking Catherine what the penalty should be for a woman who has an abortion. She never would answer. We all know why you guys don’t want to answer. You know the minute you admit that you are willing to incarcerate people who have to make a difficult personal decision you will be seen at the radical and violent theocrats that you aspire to be.
So, I’ll ask you, Catherine too:
What should the penalty be for a woman who has an abortion?
You seem to think I shouldn’t attack Catherine because she is a woman. I don’t know that she is. She could be a guy, a transexual or a hermaphrodite for all I know. But, let’s say she is a woman. Too bad. I will call her on any stupid thing she says. Got that? This is America, not some goatherders tent from 2,000 years ago, your stupid primitive superstitions do not apply to modern America. Got that?
(BTW, you gotta stop with this stuff “Once again, you attack a Woman!!!!!! Exclamation Point!!!!!”
People who write like that, also know as the Ted Kaczynski style, are typically viewed as domestic terrorists. Just saying.)
Now, your echolalia forces you to continually ask if I would be okay with being aborted. The answer is, I would have never known because I would have never attained consciousness to the point that I could comprehend such a thing. You do know that the brain isn’t fully developed for awhile. Do you?
Also, what is up with this “And, Yes, Apparently Catherine and I Love the Catholic Church! I love the Pope, the Magisterium, Sacred Tradition, and Sacred Scripture!”
You love pedophiles do you? You love those who protect and hide pedophiles from prosecution?
I never figured you for a pedophile lover.
More also: “I’m very successful in my professional and personal Life!”
Somehow, I doubt that. Of course, I could be wrong, it is possible I am not aware of whatever profession it is that values and rewards those who practice incoherent babbling and frenetic punctuation.
Now, don’t forget to answer my question about your proposed penalty for women who have abortions!



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HG

posted November 4, 2010 at 11:07 pm


Oh yes, Rich, I’m sure your answer is forthcoming (about the time of the second coming). Did you have a most enjoyable round? Break bogey? Pick up any skins?



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Ceci Warren

posted November 4, 2010 at 11:52 pm


Reverend Lynn attempted to allow Jay Sekulow to move toward rational discussion by rejecting the “Angel of Death” portrayal of the President. When I read the reaction here, it makes me sick. No wonder Jay says such crazy things, he has to please his crazy followers!



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Rich

posted November 4, 2010 at 11:53 pm


HG,
It was gorgeous out there. About 65 but felt like 75 in the sun. No bugs. Trees were colored.
The driver was working. I like camping out in the fairway. My putter was a genius today. Hit a 6-iron fat and came up short but then pitched in with an approach wedge for a birdie. I love that wedge, a 1996 Callaway ‘A’ wedge, they altered the design horribly so I need to take good care of this one. Anyway, golf is goofy and we never, ever, ever transubstantiate the ball into the hole.
You may have noted that Catherine whined that golf was probably my religion. It would at least be a real activity; hanging out with your buddies, taking a stroll through a manicured garden, good conversation, getting ambulatory, trying to improve on your personal best. Not much on that list to complain about.



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HG

posted November 5, 2010 at 1:08 am


I am somewhat jealous, you swine. Think I tore a rotator during a really bad drive one day and haven’t gotten it fixed yet. Too bad, I enjoyed letting the big dog howl and the Karsten Ping sing. Perhaps I shall again one day engage the little white pelican ball, heh heh.



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Steve

posted November 5, 2010 at 1:11 am


Why is it that religious right theocrats believe that the right to life and all of the protections of our constitution begins at conception and ends at birth?



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arlenice

posted November 5, 2010 at 10:04 am


It is troubling, as many commentators have expressed: Why is Obama traveling to India promptly and immediately after the elections; considering that he knew that Republicans would have winnings? Why did he go while the daughters are suppose to be in school? why did he take so many deluxe planes and warships? why did he go with the nuke controls and secret information and everything that would enable him to turn on us and aim nuclear missiles against America?
Why has this man caused so much fear and allowed dangerous radical Muslims into our country and protected them from being duly processed and duly punished & decreased their punishment and/or deleted their punishment and/or trials! Why has he paid fortunes to keep his identity a secret? Why is he dead set on breaking us financially? Why are we allowing it? Where are the Military Generals that oathed to protect America? -Only God Almighty can protect us from these devious individuals and partakers. God Bless America.



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Rich

posted November 5, 2010 at 11:31 am


arlenice,
Obama is traveling to a foreign country! Traveling on deluxe planes! He has the nuke codes with him!
Good grief, this is serious! You are right. This is obviously not a planned state visit but instead a nefarious plot to nuke us and then make us be Muslims. Well, radioactive Muslims but that shouldn’t be a problem.
Maybe it is Armageddon. Let me check my calendar.
Yup, not a big deal. Calendar says it is Armageddon. Not to worry. All part of God’s glorious plan.



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HG

posted November 5, 2010 at 11:40 am


arlenice, it’s good for a laugh, but you’re free to pull your head out of your hind-end at anytime. When you do, look around. You’ll see that the real world is scary enough without fabricating a panic attack over bogus reasonsing.
There is no God, we need to bless America with intelligence — something sorely lacking in so many of these freaked out Bible thumpers.



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Catherine

posted November 5, 2010 at 2:24 pm


I found a youtube video of RICH aka HG!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMtZfW2z9dw



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Disinterested Reader

posted November 5, 2010 at 2:28 pm


ref: There is no God
HG, you are a Fool.



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HG

posted November 5, 2010 at 4:00 pm


More displays of “their” intellect. It is so pitiful as to be amusing.



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Thomas Collins

posted November 5, 2010 at 5:58 pm


I don’t agree with Hitler references of any kind. They are always over the top. But I’d like to point out that the presence of human life at the moment of conception is a scientific fact, not a religious one. All DNA is present. In biology, that is, by definition, the beginning of human life. We all started out this way, every one of us. So the personhood people have a valid point. The political left has always found this fact too inconvenient to acknowledge, and so they have kept up a continuous campaign of lies, deceit and denial.



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HG

posted November 5, 2010 at 6:38 pm


I do not dispute that the human life begins at conception. However, we do not confer zygotes, embryos, and fetuses (these ‘beginnings of human beings’) Fourteenth Amendment protection under the U.S. Constitution for reasons cited in the Roe v Wade decision. The political left and right both mount campaigns of lies, deceit, and denial in my opinion.



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Disinterested Reader

posted November 5, 2010 at 9:30 pm


ref: I do not dispute that the human life begins at conception
This is the Definition of a Murderer, one that allows the Intentional Murder (Abortion) of a Human Being, after Admitting that Human Life begins at Conception.
Your own Words CONVICT You. Satan was also a Liar and Murderer from the Beginning. Don’t you know?



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HG

posted November 5, 2010 at 9:55 pm


There, now you see? It’s difficult to converse with someone when all they want to do is rant and invest in name-calling. It really isn’t productive.
re: “This is the Definition of a Murderer, one that allows the Intentional Murder (Abortion) of a Human Being”
Really? What dictionary? What law book? Sorry, you don’t get to make up your own facts and definitions; and we don’t use the Bible to govern our citizenry.
Satan doesn’t exist. Disinterested Reader seems interested, and factually inaccurate. (Also seems to have the same writing style and temperament as Art and Mr. I.)
And what difference for anyone CONVICTED of abortion if there is no punishment? Forgiveness. Yes, you’re full of it.



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Jill

posted November 6, 2010 at 12:33 am


Good grief, Charlie Brown ! Some of these comments are hilarious. Still, I have learned that at least one person here (his initials are HG, lol) believes that I have a serious issue with the Constitution.. YIKES. I was not aware of that.! I think most will agree that when an innocent life, and I do mean a living fetus, not a lifeless blob of goo, dies at the hands of another, said act qualifies as forced cessation of life. If murder is, by definition, according to my trusty dictionary, “the unlawful killing of one human being by another”.. then you must be implying that such a killing is not unlawful indeed, that it is in fact Constitutional. (Re: Your Roe contention, which no one is denying here to my knowledge, I think many here are intelligent and have some working knowledge of the law. Albeit, Christians also live with and under God’s commandments, and the moral consequences of such.. in addition to the legal aspects of the Constitution. I fear that you may fail to comprehend this particular aspect of our reality, hence it does not exist for you, as a non-believer. However, you truly have the right to be a non-believer, just as we have the right to believe.) Actually, HG, the Republicans are determined to do away with Obamacare in part precisely because of its controversial abortion agenda. They intend to challenge Obamacare legally, under Constitutionally protected boundaries. Calling abortion “a healthcare procedure” is highly offensive to countless Americans, who also do not wish to have any part in the actual excessive funding of this so-called healthcare procedure. (Have you not noticed “the facts” of recent events, leading up to Republicans being elected in strong numbers by the people.) Plus, there’s this little rights issue with being forced to buy the insurance. Why should Americans be forced to buy anything, whether they can afford it or not, at our President’s command; where is the Constitutional anchor of reality and justice in that notion ? Sorry, HG, I have a major issue with being forced to condone and fund something that I morally abhor, i.e. abortion, guess that is just one of those Republican/Christian things, seems that a lot of Americans do feel similarly about abortion, and being forced to purchase costly health insurance, with rather severe penalties ultimately attached if they do not comply. Perhaps you would say that our belief makes us all crazy.. then at least we are in good company. Perhaps this is too much fairy tale-thinking to a man who is not well acquainted with Christianity. I say this not with malice, rather in the lively spirit of debate.. lol..



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Homer

posted November 6, 2010 at 12:33 am


D’OH!



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HG

posted November 6, 2010 at 1:04 am


Hi Jill,
I don’t recall saying that you had serious issues with the Constitution, unless you intend to America through religious text. I know for a fact that any termination of pregnancy within the guidlines of Roe are legal, absolutely that’s what I’m saying.
re: “Albeit, Christians also live with and under God’s commandments, and the moral consequences of such.. in addition to the legal aspects of the Constitution.”
That’s fine with me. Roe in no way compels anyone to get an abortion.
re: “I fear that you may fail to comprehend this particular aspect of our reality, hence it does not exist for you, as a non-believer.
No, no, I comprehend it just fine. You’re right, it doesn’t exist for me both as a non-believer and an American under the U.S. Constitution. I have no interest in what “moral consequences” you believe will result due to the displeasure of what I think is a fictional supernatural being.
So, Jill, we are together that abortion is legal and shall remain so due to the Roe decision? You are the first to post this response. Thank you.
I understand that Republicans want to do away with “ObamaCare” due to abortion funding. I would like to point out, again, that abortion is a legitimate healthcare issue for women. No way around that. Under what other heading would you file it? Notes pertaining to the healthcare aspect are replete in the Roe decision. You object to providing healthcare to women, and I don’t. I object to funding religious organizations with government funds via faith-based initiatives, and my argument against it is much stronger than your argument against providing healthcare. It required legislation, as did the insertion of “Under God” in the National Pledge.
It doesn’t particularly bother me that Republicans swept into the House (it’s a normal ebb and flow), nor will their constituents see any significant deviation from the Roe decision.
re: “Plus, there’s this little rights issue with being forced to buy the insurance. Why should Americans be forced to buy anything, whether they can afford it or not, at our President’s command; where is the Constitutional anchor of reality and justice in that notion ?”
Rich voiced his same concern over that and I agreed. Miss that? I am not wedded to this healthcare bill.
re: “Sorry, HG, I have a major issue with being forced to condone and fund something that I morally abhor…”
As I said, so do I (and my reasoning is much more sound than yours).
re: “guess that is just one of those Republican/Christian things, seems that a lot of Americans do feel similarly about abortion”
Guess it is, but not providing healthcare to women in a healthcare bill (which maintains the prior status quo on abortion funding) doesn’t sound very “Christianly” somehow.
I accept all lively debate with enthusiam, and hope to learn more about why you think what you think, and what you think it should mean to others.
I do not consider this an encounter with a crazy person. Thank you.



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HG

posted November 6, 2010 at 1:06 am


Hmm, mmm, wouldn’t you know, very first line I omitted the word “govern” just before “America”. D’oh, indeed.



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Catherine

posted November 6, 2010 at 1:58 am


Careful Jill…HG aka Rich just may be setting you up for the “kill”.
Did ya catch that one statement of HG….”my reasoning is much more sound than yours?”
Why is that HGRich? Is it b/c Jill is a woman, or is it that you are just so superior?
I had to laugh at the bull-hockey at the end, when you state, “hope to learn more about why you think what you think, and what you think it should mean to others.” LOL are you kiddin’ me???
Well, who knows? Maybe you are having a change of heart. I’ll give ya the benefit of the doubt. But, we do know you’re a crafty little devil, so we’ll be watching you.



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HG

posted November 6, 2010 at 3:12 am


re: Careful Jill…HG aka Rich just may be setting you up for the “kill”.
Catherine, you still haven’t been able to figure out that Rich and I are two separate people? Perhaps that explains some of your antagonism toward me, heh.
re: “Did ya catch that one statement of HG….”my reasoning is much more sound than yours?”
Of course I think my reasoning is more sound, and I also told her why I think my reasoning is more sound. Now, hopefully, Jill can respond by telling me why she finds her reasoning superior to mine.
re: “I had to laugh at the bull-hockey at the end, when you state, “hope to learn more about why you think what you think, and what you think it should mean to others.” LOL are you kiddin’ me???”
Wasn’t even talking to you, much less kidding you. I told you, I come to the debate blog for rational debate and discussion. I note your use of the word “bull-hockey”, directly implying that I was stating a falsehood. In other words, calling me a liar. What was it you said about name-calling? Telling someone you think they’re using flawed logic or bad reasoning (and explaining why) is not the same as calling someone a liar (or a murdering baby-killer, or angry, or lonely, or any of that nonsense). Let’s try to keep it civil, if we can, from here on out. I will also give you the benefit of the doubt.
No change of heart, I’ve never been malicious unless first maligned. I don’t mind being called a “crafty devil” as long as nothing supernatural or evil is implied. Guile, yes; deceit, no.



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Catherine

posted November 6, 2010 at 10:14 am


Just for the record HG–Pls don’t put words into my mouth.
I NEVER called you a “murdering baby-killer”.
So, if you really want to “keep it civil”, you need to start by, telling the truth.
After all, there is only One Truth.



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Catherine

posted November 6, 2010 at 10:41 am

Pat Pennsylvania

posted November 6, 2010 at 11:38 am


He wants all old people to just die. Impeach this idiot come January 2011. He must be stopped. Black, or white he’s a Marxist Communist and will destroy lives to death. Stalin and Hitler he is the same. Impeach, impeach, impeach now before we are all dead!



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Your Name

posted November 6, 2010 at 4:18 pm


I’ll call you a murdering baby killer,, if that is what you do.. and I know it… and if you legislate it.. your authorizing it… and if you vote intentionally for that choice of it… you are once again endorsing the murdering of innocent children… around the globe and elsewhere… just by your very vote.. and if you think that you don’t have a responsability in office to protect our Posterity,, well it is on you… not I for,, I made it known… and you thought it was one big joke… to reckon with.. and I don’t think killing children,,,, or endorsing the murdering of is very funny,,, and if the olf United States court systems… don’t get a hold of common sence.. then I don’t know what to tell them… and yes it could be a sticky mess if, and when that procedure would become illegal… for they will still do it… but at least it will not be endorced by America,,, and a legal choice to kill children,,, either by Embryonic Stem Cell, or abortion procedures…. cc



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HG

posted November 6, 2010 at 4:21 pm


Catherine, I didn’t say you did. I was only pointing out that saying what you think, and why, is different from launching multiple absurd insults out of thin air for no apparent reason. My truth and yours may merge at infinity, but until then they sure look like two different things.
Ah yes, Jill, I happened to review above and found your Constitutional infraction. When you said… “It is murder, plain and simple” you were in error. Murder is a legal term. Abortion is legal, murder is not. If you call abortion “murder” you are making a statement which contradicts the Constitution.



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Your Name

posted November 6, 2010 at 4:22 pm


old……………
This is getting to be a very stupid and old argument… for it is plain as day… that they are people growing… and if you just want to try and you know…. try,…. and make us more stupid by your old argument… that they are not people growing… you may need some testing on your brain… of choice… for there might be a few cells missing upstairs,…if you know what I mean…?
How is that for punctuation…. hahahaha….not funny anymore…cc



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Your Name

posted November 6, 2010 at 4:30 pm


hg,
somebody lied to you and told you that abortion was not murder…thanks for your comment…, but they are worthless…, in regards to saving children… around the globe…and elsewhere…
Some stupid… and I mean very diceptive individual…. intentional or otherwise tried to make it look by definition or elsewhere that children in a time period of growing were or are not children…
Lie ,,,,, a big fat lie….now,,,, and when you decide to represent this very definition of people growing you are in fact misguiding the American public.. and you know trying to represent children growing as less then they really are… liar]
As for murder is killing innocent people… and abortion is in fact killing innocent children… they did not do anything…
and Embryonic Stem-Cell,,,, well you know the answer to that one… they are developing people with all their DNA in tact in the process of developing their own vital organs and tissue to sustain their very life outside of the womb and elsewhere… so…,,,, if you kill them… then you are in fact murdering innocent people as well…
Have to love the children ….,,,, even if you don’t want to support their life….loves….c



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Your Name

posted November 6, 2010 at 4:34 pm


deceptive-
Deceiving or tending to deceive….cc



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HG

posted November 6, 2010 at 4:39 pm


Please flush after you post, cc.



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Catherine

posted November 7, 2010 at 2:31 pm

pine

posted November 7, 2010 at 3:00 pm


Lynn just imagine standing before God Almighty and try to spin that arguement . Well ???? Murder is murder I understand that hell is tourtor and neverending . I pray for forgiveness and I do not want to go to hell ever so I accept the gift God give the humans in that his sons Jesus died for our sins including murder innocent, to not go to hell. So sir just do that imagine doing your best to explain to God that your idea of murder of whatever you think is okay to snuff out the life of the innocent to God.



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posted November 7, 2010 at 3:15 pm


(Titter)



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Your Name

posted November 7, 2010 at 3:38 pm


hg…, you flush yours..
Mine was already flushed, when I realized the truth behind all the lies.. instead of tainting the world with hypocritical… gestures and lies.. to what?… try and murder children through abortion and Embryonic stem cell…? Is that your game…?
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Always the attack when told the truth to liars.. that is their ballgame, when they can not bend the truth, and the truth stares them back in the face… end of the ball game… game over…. ccccccc



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Your Name

posted November 7, 2010 at 3:42 pm


argument-A discussion in which disagreement is expressed; a debate.
There is one thing to have an argument.., and quite another to be abusive in your form of writing…
So arguments state opinions…, while abusive people tend to put down and degrade others…………………CCCCCCC



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David Fryer

posted November 7, 2010 at 4:35 pm


Rev. Lynn, I do not see what Fox News has to do with what you said here. In fact I don’t see how Mr. Sekulow’s previous comments relate at all.



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T Stewart

posted November 7, 2010 at 5:25 pm


Free speech is an interesting thing Barry. I was raised in the Presbyterian Church and strongly and happily carry the beliefs that were nurtured there. However the Presbyterian church has abandoned me and many others. Obama the Angel of death? No stranger than Barry W. Lynn, Reverend.



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Gwyddion9

posted November 7, 2010 at 8:22 pm


Sometimes it appears to me that we are on the verge of a political war for the life of this country. War may seem strange or a bit too much for some people but that’s what I see. People who want the country to be run based off of their religious beliefs even if contrary to the beliefs of other people.
The right claim Socialism, which isn’t too bad in my mind. The right claims Europe but never says which country as many are socialist but in varying degrees and treat their citizens better and with out the push to “save” them.
To me I see religious Facisism coming from the right. Big business combined with capitalism and the Christian flag being waved behind it all.
I really don’t care what the right believes as long as they keep their beliefs off of me and others. Their beliefs should stop at anothers nose but that isn’t good enough with out being to control every aspect of anothers life and belief.
“When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross” Sinclair Lewis



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John

posted November 7, 2010 at 10:57 pm


You would be referring to Sinclair Lewis, the guy who hated America, was openly and aggressively an atheist?
That guy?
Sure, he is so likely to say something nice about America and religion.
He hated them both.
As to your rant against religion in American politics. Think of religion as just another special interest group. When ACORN, SEIU, AARP, the NEA, Planned Parenthood, GLSN, MoveOn, the Sierra Club, and dozens of other special interest groups stop trying to ‘control every aspect of anothers (sic) life and belief’ than I may consider not using my beliefs as a filter to view public policy.
Stop being such a bigot.



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John

posted November 7, 2010 at 11:04 pm


As to the essayist’s column;
A woman’s right to choose? Wasn’t that when she chose to have sex? And please don’t trot out rape and incest – that accounts for less than 1% of abortions. And in any case, is it the child’s fault? If a man robs a store and commits a murder, should his child be executed for the crime of the father? Go and google ‘conceived in rape’. It might teach you something.
It’s amazing how liberal Christians can froth and foment over the travails of the poor, the hungry, the homeless, the weak, the sick, and the defenseless….and call the extinguishing of the most weak, the most frail, the most defenseless of humans a ‘choice’.
Was it appropriate to call Mr. Obama an ‘angel of death’? If you believe that life begins at conception, then you believe that this president has expedited the expansion of an industry that has destroyed almost 50 million lives in the US alone.



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HG

posted November 7, 2010 at 11:18 pm


John, the decision to have sex and the decision to have a child are two different things, surely you can see that. Sex is a natural human drive. Are you saying people shouldn’t have sex unless they’re willing to have a child? You would try to legislate cutting the amount of sex by a huge percentage? Not going to happen. Fortunately, the Supreme Court ruled otherwise, leaving abortion within the realm of personal liberty and a legal option. We still have a growing population, and God hasn’t shown particular displeasure (other than getting Bush elected, perhaps).



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Catherine

posted November 8, 2010 at 12:19 am


I think what John is saying is that sex should come with responsibility.
Sex is a choice.
Sex may be “a natural human drive”, but we are NOT animals; there is a conscious choice involved.



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HG

posted November 8, 2010 at 1:13 am


There isn’t as much conscious choice as you pretend, Catherine. The primal urge is followed regardless of consequences for a massive percentage of the human population. Try, just try, to make them stop!
Parenthood is a choice.



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Jill

posted November 8, 2010 at 1:21 am


HG,
Well I’m truly amazed, unless I am having serious visual disturbances, it would appear that YOU have just made a shocking acknowledgement; you have recognized GOD. It seems, logically speaking, that this could possibly be a change of heart, from someone formerly referring to God as a fictional being, and having a disregard for moral consequences.. hmm, so how is one to comprehend this perplexing discrepancy ??? Multiple personality disorder aside, that is, lol.. just kidding.. I think. At least you have concluded that I am not crazy. Perhaps you are willing to analyze us believers individually. Some Christians are actually quite logical from time to time.
Imagine that.
Roe v. Wade.. cannot deny the reality of its existence, either.
I must say that your sudden reference to God is absolutely amazing. So amazing in fact that I am going to take the moral high road and overlook any comments you have made about my reasoning. There is a far bigger picture out there than being egoistically concerned about the superiority of human logic and error.. and it has a lot to do with that concept we Christians refer to as faith. Faith also helps us to discern with insight and understanding, and instills a slowness to anger. There are numerous aspects to having faith.. just trust me on that one, Dr. Spock, lol.



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Catherine

posted November 8, 2010 at 1:27 am


HG = multiple personality d/o = Rich.



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HG

posted November 8, 2010 at 1:46 am


Jill: “unless I am having serious visual disturbances, it would appear that YOU have just made a shocking acknowledgement; you have recognized GOD.”
No.
Jill: “Some Christians are actually quite logical from time to time.”
If I must explain to you that my conversation with Rich was as fictional as the Bible, then I have yet to see evidence of the logic you claim. I’m sure Rich recognized the conversation for what it was (or, maybe, thought I’d suddenly developed a coconut-sized brain tumor). Recognizing the existence of the Roe v Wade decision is not the same as accepting it as the law of the land. Again, you refrain from actually saying anything of substance. Don’t overlook my questioning your reasoning, it’s what I meant to do. If you insist that abortion is murder, I continue to question your mental faculty. Yes, I had faith once. I know quite well what it entails.
Catherine, you’re still having problems saying anything of value. You make lame attempts at insult. This passes for intelligent discourse among Catholics? It’s pitiful, really low caliber.



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Catherine

posted November 8, 2010 at 7:58 am


In your own words–Your “coconut-sized brain tumor” is showing itself again. I am not catholic.
Very “lame” rich. LOL



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Catherine

posted November 8, 2010 at 7:59 am


oops….correction: I mean, HG aka Rich. My bad.



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Jim

posted November 8, 2010 at 10:39 am


The opposite of “LIFE” is not “CHOICE”. It is “DEATH”. The are only two sides to this argument Pro Life and Pro Death (As in killing innocent children).



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Chico

posted November 8, 2010 at 1:21 pm


“Isn’t this taking it a bit too far?”
So you support free speech in pompous tones, using absurd terms like “anti-choice,” but then in the very last line the mask comes off and we learn that you believe in free speech…up until it goes “too far,” a distance and a line that you and you alone propose to establish.
Free speech means nothing unless it applies to the speech you find abhorrent and “too far.” And I think a man who says that children aren’t children until the mother decides it is — or “until she leaves the hospital” as Sen. Boxer (D-CA) said — could certainly be seen as an Angel of Death.
Our last president was called much, much worse — he was even the subject of a movie and books and plays on his assassination — and let me guess: You never once felt that went “too far.”



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Angel's Food Cake

posted November 8, 2010 at 3:33 pm


Let’s call all people who respect abortion law “Angel’s of Death”; we don’t need to offer any reasoning or proof, just repeating it loudly makes it true. They called “our” president names (just because he trashed the Constitution, the economy, and his presidency); it was unforgiveable!



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HG

posted November 8, 2010 at 3:39 pm


Catherine, clever of you to use my words, I don’t blame you; they’re always so much better than yours. Of course, you have shown yourself as the one unable to maintain the civility I offered–so, please,no more trying to blame me for that.
Sorry you haven’t been feeling well. I heard you went to the doctor complaining you were “not feeling quite right”, and that “sometimes you felt like you couldn’t tell if you were coming or going.” The doctor had you disrobe and crawl across the floor and back before announcing “Well, you got me, I couldn’t tell either!”



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Catherine

posted November 8, 2010 at 5:02 pm


Jim,
You are completely and absolutely right!
Life is a gift from God.
Choose Life.
:)



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HG

posted November 8, 2010 at 5:26 pm


The opposite of having choice, is having “no choice”, so I agree– those who are recognized by law get to CHOOSE. Liberty can be so… liberating.



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Your Name

posted November 8, 2010 at 7:41 pm


Gwyddion9,
You state people who want a religious choice to be made for themselves in political or otherwise as having some sort of negative context… The facts are,,, people will vote their moral conscience to what they believe in.. So if people use God as their moral compass to what they believe,,, it does not dictate that they are mandating you to do the same… for even God in the bible,,, states that he gives free will to let you choose…
The difference of standards I feel is when they protect life in one circumstance,,, and give penalties of prison and such,,, and in other instances they let those children be murdered… and they are growing despite their host… decides when and if they want them by law brought to you by pro-murderous choice policies…
That is all that I have to say about that one… hopefully some day the court and others will see the light to the children that they have not protected and the law in our very own Constitution states that we are to give our Posterity the rights of the people,,, and human Embryo’s (children growing within) are in fact our future generations of people… they can descend like normal situations of birth if the people turn towards protecting every individuals rights… they have their very own DNA growing …. by their own set of internal circumstances… with the host of a parent… in the process.. so let those children grow and be born… LOVES,C



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HG

posted November 8, 2010 at 8:47 pm


C: “So if people use God as their moral compass to what they believe,,, it does not dictate that they are mandating you to do the same… for even God in the bible,,, states that he gives free will to let you choose…”
That’s right, so, whether or not God actually exists, people have been given the free will to choose for themselves. I’m so glad when we can agree on something that I’ll bend in your direction for once by saying that the happiest scenario is for every pregnancy to end with a healthy baby, wanted and loved by understanding parents.



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Rick Story

posted November 9, 2010 at 12:14 pm


HG your cute little play on words amuse me. You are obviously an educated person. But you clearly don’t understand the right to choose. Yes we all have the right to choose we all have free will. But what we choose still comes with consequences. Murder is Murder whether you choose to murder or not. If you choose to murder you are punished if you don’t then you remain free. Whether you murder an old man or an unborn child it’s still murder. Where it gets confusing is if you get caught. Is it not murder if you don’t get caught? Well at some point you will be caught either on earth or at the judgement seat of Christ. Murder is a sin but it’s not an unforgivin one. So ask Jesus to change your heart and stop fighting with him he can restore your soul. I’ll be praying for you.



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HG

posted November 9, 2010 at 4:18 pm


Rick: “Murder is Murder whether you choose to murder or not.
Congratulations, you said something true. However, abortion is not “murder”. “Murder” is a legal term which simply doesn’t apply to abortion in this country.
Rick: “If you choose to murder you are punished”
Well, Catherine says that there should be no punishment for abortion. Maybe you guys need a conference call with the Pope, or Franklin Graham (or Charleton Heston), to get this straighened out.
Rick: “Whether you murder an old man or an unborn child it’s still murder.”
Abortion, again, isn’t “murder”. Try something else.
I do not believe any supernatural beings exist, so I’m hardly likely to attempt to ask one for information.



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Rich

posted November 9, 2010 at 8:12 pm


Rick Story,
re: “Murder is a sin but it’s not an unforgivin one.”
What the hell is that supposed to mean. You can go kill someone and then later say “I heart Jesus” and all is forgiven? Geez, you got some moron for a god. Perhaps you could actually think like a human for a minute and quit regurgitating xtian mantras. Maybe even think.
I love Christian philosophy, it is just so Disneyland. Let’s see, Hitler kills six million Jews. While directing this global slaughter, he is happy and content, dances a jig everyday. But, a few moments before his death, he repents of his ways, asks Jesus to forgive him and it is off to heaven he goes. Across the street from the Hitler residence is Mr. Atheist, never killed anyone and has always been kind to everyone. He took the overall question of theology quite seriously and devoted long hours spent thinking to the best of his ability and his personal evaluation of the question let him to deny the existence of gods and goddesses. Sadly, Hitler decides atheists are urgently in need of death as well. Hitler sends a soldier over to cap Mr. Atheist. Well, it is off to eternal torture, suffering and other fun-filled activities. Hmm, yep, your freakin’ god is genius. Hell, here in Seattle we got slugs oozing around in the driveway with more brains than that.



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Catherine

posted November 10, 2010 at 1:14 am


Job 38:1-39
The LORD Speaks
1 Then the LORD spoke to Job out of the storm. He said:
2 “Who is this that obscures my plans
with words without knowledge?
3 Brace yourself like a man;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.
4 “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?
Tell me, if you understand.
5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?
6 On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone—
7 while the morning stars sang together
and all the angels[a] shouted for joy?
8 “Who shut up the sea behind doors
when it burst forth from the womb,
9 when I made the clouds its garment
and wrapped it in thick darkness,
10 when I fixed limits for it
and set its doors and bars in place,
11 when I said, ‘This far you may come and no farther;
here is where your proud waves halt’?
12 “Have you ever given orders to the morning,
or shown the dawn its place,
13 that it might take the earth by the edges
and shake the wicked out of it?
14 The earth takes shape like clay under a seal;
its features stand out like those of a garment.
15 The wicked are denied their light,
and their upraised arm is broken.
16 “Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea
or walked in the recesses of the deep?
17 Have the gates of death been shown to you?
Have you seen the gates of the deepest darkness?
18 Have you comprehended the vast expanses of the earth?
Tell me, if you know all this.
19 “What is the way to the abode of light?
And where does darkness reside?
20 Can you take them to their places?
Do you know the paths to their dwellings?
21 Surely you know, for you were already born!
You have lived so many years!
22 “Have you entered the storehouses of the snow
or seen the storehouses of the hail,
23 which I reserve for times of trouble,
for days of war and battle?
24 What is the way to the place where the lightning is dispersed,
or the place where the east winds are scattered over the earth?
25 Who cuts a channel for the torrents of rain,
and a path for the thunderstorm,
26 to water a land where no one lives,
an uninhabited desert,
27 to satisfy a desolate wasteland
and make it sprout with grass?
28 Does the rain have a father?
Who fathers the drops of dew?
29 From whose womb comes the ice?
Who gives birth to the frost from the heavens
30 when the waters become hard as stone,
when the surface of the deep is frozen?
31 “Can you bind the chains[b] of the Pleiades?
Can you loosen Orion’s belt?
32 Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons[c]
or lead out the Bear[d] with its cubs?
33 Do you know the laws of the heavens?
Can you set up God’s[e] dominion over the earth?
34 “Can you raise your voice to the clouds
and cover yourself with a flood of water?
35 Do you send the lightning bolts on their way?
Do they report to you, ‘Here we are’?
36 Who gives the ibis wisdom[f]
or gives the rooster understanding?[g]
37 Who has the wisdom to count the clouds?
Who can tip over the water jars of the heavens
38 when the dust becomes hard
and the clods of earth stick together?
39 “Do you hunt the prey for the lioness
and satisfy the hunger of the lions
40 when they crouch in their dens
or lie in wait in a thicket?
41 Who provides food for the raven
when its young cry out to God
and wander about for lack of food
Job 40:1-2
1 The LORD said to Job:
2 “Will the one who contends with the Almighty correct him?
Let him who accuses God answer him!”



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Rich

posted November 10, 2010 at 11:12 am


Who can take a sunrise, sprinkle it with dew
Cover it with choc’late and a miracle or two
The Candy Man, oh the Candy Man can
The Candy Man can ’cause he mixes it with love and makes the world taste good
Who can take a rainbow, wrap it in a sigh
Soak it in the sun and make a groovy lemon pie
The Candy Man, the Candy Man can
The Candy Man can ’cause he mixes it with love and makes the world taste good
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R Moore

posted November 10, 2010 at 6:33 pm


As a Christian reading some of the back and forth comments made, it appears to me that God given common sense is what is needed in this debate. My opinion says that abortion is wrong and you do not need the Bible to make that ascertion, but be that as it is, the Bible does not offer concrete evidence except taking versus out of context to even use the Bible to defend the so called Pro Life Stance. Human life is sacred and under most circumstances it should be protected before and after birth. So if you who are Pro-Life to the extreme even though I respect your right to believe, without using violence against Doctors who legally perform abortions have the right as americans to voice your opposition, but do not expect much support from those who believe God given common sense allows abortion under extreme circumstances to protect the life of the mother and to protect the unborn child from a life of pain and suffering caused by some genetic defect that causes unbearable suffering to occur by allowing that innocent child to go back to its creator. Complex issues like this being decided by unstable and brain washed minds by some mis-understood Biblical transilation seems to me to thwart the will of God to use the minds He gave us through the compassion of Jesus Christ to make common sense decisions perhaps with the help of an understanding Pastor or medical counselor. God help us all!!



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Rich

posted November 10, 2010 at 6:43 pm


R Moore,
While I appreciate the moderate tone of your post, I doubt you will get too far with the more hyperactive Christian zealots who haunt this board. I can easily envision that they will accuse you of not truly understanding the Bible, misinterpreting verses, not having enough faith or not understanding the depth of their personal connections with God.
The most strident anti-choice folks tend to be mono-focus, no issue other than abortion. Good luck with ‘em.



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Not as good as YOU, apparently

posted November 13, 2010 at 2:49 pm


Chico,
“Our last president was called much, much worse”
He not only deserved it, he EARNED it. WMDs anyone? Torture, anyone? Guantanamo anyone? Abu Ghraib anyone? Valerie Plame anyone? The global financial meltdown caused by not regulating the banking industry anyone?
Et friggin’ cetera.
George W(armonger) Bush can rot in Hades for what he did to America.



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Not as good as YOU, apparently

posted November 13, 2010 at 2:51 pm


A cursory glance at the “Death penalty” forum exposes those who call themselves “pro-life” as being only selectively so.
Apparently “Murder is murder” except when da Gubmint do it.



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yolanda

posted November 17, 2010 at 8:16 pm


I’m so sorry that man thinks that they have the right to dictate when life should be spared and when it should be terminated that last time I talk to GOD HE was still GOD and man wasn’t the problem with this country is that everybody wants to do GOD’S job and no man is qualified but HIM.Abortion is satan’s attack against family and mankind but some pastors are to busy serving self and the enemy to stand up for what is absolute truth and that is GOD’S INFINITE WISDOM the bible.Moore says that the bible does not specificly say that abortion is wrong well I’m going to need for him to re study GOD’s word and this time leave himself out Exdous,20:13 clearly tells us not to kill and if you think that stopping an innoccent life before it is brought into the world isn’t murder then you need to rethink your understanding of the word Mr.Moore alot of “Christians want wiggle room with the MOST HIGH GOD AND THAT JUST AIN’T HAPPENING.
AMERICA BETTER GET BACK TO THE TRUTH AND RESTUDY THE WORD 2CHRONICLES,7:14 GOD’S JUDGEMENT WILL EITHER MAKES US WAKE UP OR NOTHING WILL AND WE WILL SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES!



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Tim H.

posted March 30, 2011 at 12:59 am


Doesn’t anybody get it? Planned parenthood is the government’s prize baby. Not only Obama but likely the entire executive and legislative branches know it and support it because it might mean their jobs. If the government stops funding abortions (with our money), then they will end up spending FAR MORE out of their own coffers for Medicaid and their single-mom & child grants and housing/food assistance programs (for however long it might take until they are eventually required to get a job). Abortions are far more cost-effective and easier to administer/oversee than all the red-tape and manpower required to process all the claims of just one single mom and baby (or babies). Just look at the numbers. It is astronomically cheaper for the government to fund abortions than to pay even short-term support to the unwed/single mom’s who otherwise might choose to have their babies. This is a total conspiracy all based upon the almighty dollar. God help us all, and as a country for the evil being perpetrated by our own government by putting a price on a life, or removing a price as it is – taking that which is priceless and calling it worthless for the sake of money. I’m thinking planned parenthood is a silent fiscal intermediary rather than the culprit in this whole scenario, and the current controversy/scandal is nothing more than a smokescreen. Focus on the government, who truly stand the most to gain (and the most to lose if abortions give way to more single-parent families and births for the poor, unemployed and/or uninsured). There’s much more to it than that, but those factors alone make a convincing enough argument and provide enough incentive for anyone without a conscience.
Keep up the good work Jay, Jordan & Co., and God bless the ACLJ!



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