Lynn v. Sekulow

Lynn v. Sekulow


The Two Days I Could Not Find the Real Constitution

posted by Rev. Barry W. Lynn

Jay,

I couldn’t agree with you more – we should honor the Constitution every single day.
Unfortunately, the past two weekends I found myself surrounded by people who don’t seem to value the Constitution as much as I do. It was quite an unpleasant experience – but I suppose what goes around comes around.
 
You see, last year, I had to miss the big Religious Right conclave in Washington held each September because I was attending my son’s wedding.  In penance, I found myself at two Religious Right gatherings this year.  One weekend it was Ralph Reed’s Faith and Freedom Conference; the next, the Family Research Council/ Heritage Foundation/American Family Association Values Voters Summit.

These two weekends were a lot like many of the events I had visited going back nearly 20 years to gatherings of Pat Robertson’s Christian Coalition.  For example, people still wanted to take pictures with me, to prove to the folks back home that even though their trip to Washington didn’t lead to a photo op with Barack Obama, they did get a snapshot or video with one of Satan’s imps.  After one such session, a   woman brought her 12-year-old son over and said: “now if you ever see Mr. Lynn on television, don’t believe a word he says.” I immediately told the youth: “listen to your mother.”  The subtlety of that response (that is, don’t believe me when I say you should listen to your mother) may have been lost on mom.


What really bothers me about these events dripping with claims to
recapture America, defend the Constitution, and stop over regulation of
American life, is the bizarre spin they give on what “values” they are
trying to recapture. They talk about “freedom” and “liberty” and the
“Constitution” but are devoid of any reference to things that most of
us care about.  That was clear from what former Speaker of the House
Newt Gingrich had to say, which I discussed on MSNBC’s “The Ed Show” Friday, Sept. 10.

It
was also clear in a speech given by Delaware Senatorial candidate
Christine O’Donnell, who warned of over regulation of toilets
(restrictions on water use) and light bulbs (presumably, municipalities
that insist on purchases of “green” light sources).  Several speakers ominously prophesied of military hospitals soon
being required to pay for sex change operations.   I discussed  all this on another episode of “The Ed Show,” on Fri., Sept. 17.

Both
of these events featured strong efforts to link the demands of the old
Religious Right (prayer in the schools, school  vouchers, anti-LGBT
policies) with the economic principles of the Tea Party crowd.  These
movements are not synonymous, but there is enough overlap to be
concerned that their goal of seizing power across the political
spectrum might be achieved, which I discussed
with NPR, also on Fri., Sept. 17.  There are pure “libertarian” strains
in the “tea parties” that certainly hate what they call “big
government” but  are also appalled at the prospect that “big religion”
will try to regulate them from birth to death. The message from the
past two weekends is: take control and we’ll sort out our differences
later. Whether this marriage of convenience between these two
ideological strains is long lasting or short-lived remains to be seen.  

However,
it is dispiriting to many of us to see the Constitution which has
served us so magnificently for over 200 years reduced to a buffer to
protect against the excessive regulation of light fixtures. If that’s how these people want to “honor” our Constitution, so be it. But it is hard
to believe that the founders of this nation, a nation truly established
by the blood of heroes, could look at such an interpretation without
blanching at how fraudulent the new definitions of “liberty” and
“freedom” are.



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Ceci Warren

posted September 22, 2010 at 2:06 pm


Yes, non-sense is the only sense the far right makes lately, shredding the Constitution as they parade their charade.



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Mike Cadicamo

posted September 22, 2010 at 2:39 pm


I don’t know you yet. Just started observing this blog. Look forward to being able to interact with you.



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Scared White man

posted September 22, 2010 at 3:43 pm


I want my country back



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Rush Hartsock

posted September 22, 2010 at 4:56 pm


@ Ceci, that’s just funny, you’re a poet who didn’t know it… anyway, all the Tea Party really wants is limited government, common sense should not have to be mandated. I agree that the right gets a bit too religious, but that may be their only (if not largest) fault. Libertarian is definitely where our country is headed, the right is too anti gay lesbian and too religious to maintain control, and the left wants us to shell out our money to have other people make decisions for us… Thanks to Barack we (citizens) may in good shape after November. Neither left or right should be in charge wholly, it leads to them pushing BS through knowing that after the next election cycle, they will lose power. Our country’s greatest asset and our biggest challenge is the balance of power, these a-hole politicians need to quit abusing their power on the left or right!



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Troy

posted September 22, 2010 at 5:16 pm


It represents a continuing, equally disheartening, politicization of religion for personal enrichment; an old story in need of an abrupt ending. This was specifically pointed out by Reverend Welton Gaddy, also appearing on MSNBC recently, and it was nice to hear it stated so clearly to a national audience.
Perhaps Barry will be invited to Jon Stewart’s rally, and Jay will fit right in with Colbert’s counter-rally.



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Grumpy Old Person

posted September 23, 2010 at 1:37 pm


Scared white men DO want “their” country back – back in the 1950s, apparently.
Meanwhile, the rest of us want the Constitution honored – and not just for heterosexuals OR white men.



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Pete

posted September 23, 2010 at 2:10 pm


The FRC and groups like it prefer to use a special version of the Constitution, rewritten by the same tools who want to make adjustments to textbooks and school curricula in Texas. They don’t keep a copy of the “Real Constitution” on hand, as it would be very confusing.



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Your Name

posted September 23, 2010 at 2:49 pm


Once again Cece Warren, devisive as hell….
What exactly is the subject matter you are trying to point out, other then your extreme biases which try and lump people together to try and make you sound like the far left is a better choice….
If an extreme right is to vote for saving the unborn and to protect marriage as we know it, and to give a free speech to American’s who wish to preach the gospel…. now that would be good…
Now for the churches who wish to corrupt with their money that is a different story….
For true authentic beleivers who wish to love and help people with their money that is an entirely different occurance as well…
Love,
C



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Your Name

posted September 23, 2010 at 2:55 pm


And what about the extreme right wing democratic people…
Now there is a topic for you…
One who believes in ethical and moral judgement, with giving freedom of the people as well, without excluding the notion of abortion as an illegal activity…, for those are our Posterity in the making and need to be protected and enforced with protection by law..
Not my fault, the faulty law makers decided to muck that one up and treat the developing human being like something they could destroy and put in a trash can, or decide to take them and put them in little dishes to pull out various body parts for the possibility of curing a disease…Love, C



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Ceci Warren

posted September 23, 2010 at 3:09 pm


@C (very much at sea).
Once again divisive as hell. What exactly is the subject matter you are trying to point out, other then your extreme biases which try and lump people together to try and make you sound like the far right is a better choice….
“Now for the churches who wish to corrupt with their money that is a different story….”
Not a very different story.
Balance of power is one thing, but gridlock to the point of ineffectuality doesn’t accomplish anything. Our choice shouldn’t be between no laws or bad laws.
Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
We got ours,
By screwing you!
Congressional poetry.



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Your Name

posted September 23, 2010 at 3:55 pm


The notion of abortion as an illegal activity was exclued a long time ago by the Supreme Court. It’s been the law for something like thirty-five years!



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Your Name

posted September 23, 2010 at 4:49 pm


Ow Ceci, or whatever your name is..
As for roses, they were just on my grandmother’s casket..
And for your durrogatory remarks.. , well they are truely a relection of character…
The only gridlock that I see is when people of your paticular whatever start spewing their God forsaken garbage all over the map for the purpose of slander , detrimental and lack of moral decency remarks, used to corrupt society at large…
So keep your darkness all to your little old self and try and let the light in…. Because it is a little stinky after your corruption… try some airfreshener….



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Your Name

posted September 23, 2010 at 4:53 pm


reflection… of character…
As for the Surpremer Court voting in their biases of personhood being destroyed and not protected is just that…
biases
They are a Posterity..
like it or not…
So, not my fault you decided to corrupt society into thinking that it is ok to kill people while they are in their most primative lacation and age…
That is when they need the most protection….
So, keep your lieing darkness, all to your little old mind and get some help for destroying people with your biases and lack of human descency….
cc



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Your Name

posted September 23, 2010 at 4:55 pm


location
our Posterity…..C



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Your Name

posted September 23, 2010 at 4:57 pm


Do I have to write down the Constitution one more time for the mentally challenged individual who keeps on thinking they can degrade human beings that are developing into something of unknown origin….?
C



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Ceci Warren

posted September 23, 2010 at 5:12 pm


Ow, out to C, or whatever your name is, you obviously have no clue as to what the Constitution is, or says. You seem to write a lot without saying much of anything other than, “I wish abortion was illegal.” Spew on MacDuff.



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Henrietta22

posted September 23, 2010 at 7:42 pm


Rev. Lynn, the people you were with would like to change the Constitution in places, more to their liking, I think. Wasn’t it Pres. Eisenhower that wouldn’t let the John Birch Society get their foot in the Republican door, because he thought they were too fringe? Seems like the J.B., are interested in the tea party people now, what is still around. Bush used the Religious Rgt. during his time, and now the tea people have appeared since President Obama became president. Interesting, challenging, and disheartening isn’t it? I definitely like the days of the “Greatest Generation”, better than this hodge podge of confusion, distrust, and no “We the People” of the United States of America.



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HG

posted September 23, 2010 at 9:12 pm


I suppose it’s a natural reaction and result of changing times, Henrietta 22, but the national sentiment has changed since the time when our country’s unofficial motto of “E Pluribus Unum” was embraced as a good thing.



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60srad

posted September 24, 2010 at 9:45 am


The religious (NOT “Christian”) right seem to have one overriding goal: the corporatization of America. In other words, we should trust corporate leaders like those of Enron over our elected (or unelected, but selected, in some cases like 2000) officials. And we should do away with the meager protections that exist to lessen the abuse of individuals by corporate “persons.” There is nothing moral or ethical, let alone Christian, about their positions.



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Grumpy Old Person

posted September 28, 2010 at 12:01 am


YN,
“If an extreme right is to vote … to protect marriage as we know it”
Um, “we” don’t seem to “know” the same institution. I see it as the legal joining of two persons. And that is what it is where I live. Marriage doesn’t need ‘protecton’ from loving, committed couples. That’s just nutsy cuckoo.
It DOES need to be protected from some heterosexuals though.(Larry King has had 8 of ‘em, as have Elizabeth Taylor and also Mickey Rooney. John McCain’s had at least two. Newt Gingrich has had three. Ditto for Rush Limbaugh. So much for commitment, eh?)



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Atheists and Agnostics are smarter

posted September 28, 2010 at 1:25 pm


A new survey of Americans’ knowledge of religion found that atheists, agnostics, Jews and Mormons outperformed Protestants and Roman Catholics in answering questions about major religions, while many respondents could not correctly give the most basic tenets of their own faiths…Atheists and agnostics scored highest…”



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God Nonsense is a Deliberate Fraud

posted September 30, 2010 at 1:27 pm


“The President’s beloved health care ”reform” law represents the single greatest promotion of abortion in decades, an unprecedented flow of taxpayer dollars into the pockets of abortionists…THE ONLY WAY TO END THIS NOW IS THROUGH LITIGATION. So we have sued them in federal court…(I’m leading a team of six lawyers working this: Case 1:10-cv-00950, Mead v. Holder, in the U.S. District Court for D.C.) The litigation battle, which has already begun, will be one of the most massive legal campaigns we have ever undertaken… We have a massive team of lawyers totally focused on this one case… I expect to see the ACLU, People For the American Way, Planned Parenthood, and other groups joining the government’s side against us.”
No wonder Barry couldn’t find the Constitution, Jay was using it to wipe his massive ass. The Chicken Little of lawyers issues another urgent plea for money, …what a disgrace.



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CONSERVATIVE VICTORY 2010 !

posted September 30, 2010 at 2:47 pm


I can see November from my house. See you then.



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Your Name

posted October 1, 2010 at 4:42 pm


Ow really, you can see November. Does she look good…C
Is she in a wedding dress all buttoned up to her neck….?



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CONSERVATIVE VICTORY 2010 !

posted October 2, 2010 at 7:35 pm


“There’s gonna be a party,” and November is festooned for it!



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Mr. Incredible, in Jesus' Name

posted October 2, 2010 at 7:38 pm


“Atheists and Agnostics are smarter”
Mr. Incredible says:
But not more wise. You forget WISDOM. It’s no wonder that you do.



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Jesus is as real as Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny

posted October 4, 2010 at 11:58 am


Wisdom wasn’t tested, only ihtelligence, but anybody who believes crappy transparent fiction like the Bible (even though they don’t even know what it says!) is factual is anything but wise. Frickin’ brain-dead dumb is a better description of such needful individuals.



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Grumpy Old Person

posted October 4, 2010 at 12:34 pm


Is there any other poster that seems to need to repeat his ‘name’/moniker endlessly throughout his/her posts? Does that indicate a slight sense of insecurity or what?
Grumpy Old Person thinks so. ;{O)



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I Could Pretend Too

posted October 4, 2010 at 12:59 pm


He satisfies his own need to feel important because no one else does.
It’s a combination of sad and funny to observe. Delusions of self-grandeur is only the tip of his clinical iceberg.



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Your Name

posted October 4, 2010 at 8:15 pm


Ow yes, I suppose he was pretending…eh…?
Delusions of self-grandeur…..
key word being self*
I suppose he wanted to go play make believe with about a dozen and call it a day to contend with..
And then go what?
And he said he would give me everything that I needed and I believed him…C
As for the easter bunny, there is a bunny at easter, I don’t think he is hiding a whole bunch of eggs for the children. However the worldly holiday wanted to make it, I don’t think there is anything wrong with giving out a bunch of chocolate and bakind a bunny cake on that day, it is fun for the kids and kids need a bit of fun this day and age..
As for the bible, when you get to heaven you can ask Noah how it was, and get back to me.
And if you can’t ask Noah, I know where you are at at the end…C



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Your Name

posted October 4, 2010 at 8:16 pm


baking…..*



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All-Knowing Abrahamic God Condones Slavery

posted October 5, 2010 at 1:29 pm


He didn’t know any better?



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Mr. Incredible, in Jesus' Name -- the Name above ALL names!

posted October 5, 2010 at 2:45 pm


AND THE LIGHT SHINETH IN DARKNESS; AND THE DARKNESS COMPREHENDED IT NOT.

October 5, 2010 1:29 PM
All-Knowing Abrahamic God Condones Slavery
Mr. Incredible says:
Of course, He doesn’t. Men condoned slavery. Men who claimed to have intelligence, intellect, reason, logic, Science.



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Clap Yours Hands if you believe in Fairies, God, The Easter Bunny, and Santa

posted October 6, 2010 at 1:15 pm


God doesn’t exist, so He can’t really condone slavery, but slavery is normal in every Bible. Funny that God didn’t end slavery, or know it was wrong.
And what’s up with those stupid Ten C’s? A fourth grader could easily improve this moral code supposedly left by the Almighty to guide mankind through the ages. What a crock of dung!



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What is more Ridiculous than God Belief?

posted October 6, 2010 at 1:29 pm


Nothing.



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God withdraws not His eye from the Righteous!

posted October 6, 2010 at 1:52 pm


Love, they name is Jesus Christ!

October 6, 2010 1:15 PM
God doesn’t exist…
Mr. Incredible says:
Psalm 14:1
Psalm 53:1
You must be a fool, then.
October 6, 2010 1:15 PM
…so He can’t really condone slavery…
Mr. Incredible says:
He exists AND He doesn’t condone slavery.
October 6, 2010 1:15 PM
…but slavery is normal in every Bible.
Mr. Incrfedible says:
Normal to men, not to God. God, through Christ, gives us freedom. Those who reject Him are the ones still bound.
October 6, 2010 1:15 PM
Funny that God didn’t end slavery…
Mr. Incredible says:
Men condoned slavery. God did not. God, through Christ, offers an end to slavery. Those who reject Him are still bound, but, like you, still don’t realize it.
October 6, 2010 1:15 PM
…or know it was wrong.
Mr. Incredible says:
He knew it was and is wrong, and that’s why He never condoned it, rather freed us from bondage, through Christ. Some, like you, reject the offer. We can’t help that.
October 6, 2010 1:15 PM
And what’s up with those stupid Ten C’s? A fourth grader could easily improve this moral code supposedly left by the Almighty to guide mankind through the ages. What a crock of dung!
Mr. Incrfedible says:
You mean, like, “Thou shalt not murder,” stupid a$$ Boris?
We notice that you make a mere assertion without telling us specifically what you “think” — if THAT’s what you wanna call it — is wrong with The Ten Commandments.



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Mr. Incredible, in the Name of Jesus, the Son of God!

posted October 6, 2010 at 1:58 pm


Atheists argue from negation which solves nothing, says nothing, and, thus, is worth nothing. Therefore, they put themselves in a position of having nothing to prove cuz their statements — negatives — cannot be proved. They never say anything positive cuz they know they got nothing.



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God Belief is a Hoax

posted October 6, 2010 at 2:29 pm


Watching Christains is like watching a cat try to grab a flashlight beam on the carpet. Both come away empty handed, but in the cat’s case, at least the beam of light is real.
There are Ten Commandments, not just one, and it remains obvious that any fourth grader could write a better moral guide to lead humanity into the future than God (supposedly) did. What a joke!



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Mr. Incredible, in the Name of Jesus, in Whom we are more than conquerors!

posted October 7, 2010 at 8:36 am


October 6, 2010 2:29 PM
God Belief is a Hoax
Mr. Incredible says:
To YOU. However, you don’t have the experience with/of/in God to have anything credible to say about Him. So, we dismiss your vain assertions.
October 6, 2010 2:29 PM
Watching Christains is like watching a cat try to grab a flashlight beam on the carpet.
Mr. Incredible asks:
So what?
October 6, 2010 2:29 PM
Both come away empty handed…
Mr. Incredible says:
You think so cuz you don’t have the experience we have with/of/in God. So, we are in the better position to know that we don’t come away empty handed.
October 6, 2010 2:29 PM
…but in the cat’s case, at least the beam of light is real.
Mr. Incredible says:
Our experience with/of/in God is real, too, but you can’t understand it cuz you don’t have the experience with/of/in God to know anything about it.
October 6, 2010 2:29 PM
There are Ten Commandments, not just one, and it remains obvious that any fourth grader could write a better moral guide to lead humanity into the future than God (supposedly) did.
Mr. Incrfedible says:
Then, why HAVEN’T you? Surely somebody has. How’s that workin’ out so far? Just take a look around. Not very good, huh.
October 6, 2010 2:29 PM
What a joke!
Mr. Incredible says:
We’ll see what kinda joke it is to you on Judgment Day. I’ll buy a ticket to see the look on your face.



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Mr. Incredible, in the Name of Jesus, the Light That shines on all who believe on Him!

posted October 7, 2010 at 9:57 am


October 6, 2010 2:29 PM
…any fourth grader could write a better moral guide to lead humanity into the future than God (supposedly) did.
Mr. Incredible asks:
Which fourth grader’s “Moral Code” would rule? If you get ten fourth graders to write a “Moral Code,” you will have ten, different ones. Which will rule? Who will enforce THE one? YOU???



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Your Name

posted October 8, 2010 at 10:24 am


Jeezus H. Christ-on-a-stick! How many threads will Beleif net and its bloggers allow to be hijacked by a severely not-credible Bible thumper?



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God is for Suckers

posted October 8, 2010 at 1:48 pm


Nobody reads his ramblings any more. Even Cara seems to be getting the idea that he’s pretty strange! Maybe Jay gets a penny for every mile the thumper types. If so, he’s a millionaire!



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Mr. Incredible, in the Name of Jesus Who is the True Light!

posted October 8, 2010 at 4:44 pm


Your Name asks:
How many threads will Beleif net…
Mr. Incredible says:
Who dat posting on “Beleif” net??? Stop it!
Your Name asks:
…and its bloggers allow to be hijacked by a severely not-credible Bible thumper?
Mr. Incredible asks:
Who dat stoppin’ everybody else from postin’???? Stop it!



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Mr. Incredible, in the Name of Jesus, the Light That shines on all who believe on Him!

posted October 8, 2010 at 4:49 pm


October 8, 2010 1:48 PM
God is for Suckers
Mr. Incredible says:
God loves everybody, even suckers!
October 8, 2010 1:48 PM
Nobody reads his ramblings any more.
Mr. Incredible says:
Then, it should bother you that I post; and, yet, you spend so much time and effort. I’m glad you read my stuff.
October 8, 2010 1:48 PM
Even Cara seems to be getting the idea that he’s pretty strange!
Mr. Incredible says:
It doesn’t matter.
October 8, 2010 1:48 PM
Maybe Jay gets a penny for every mile the thumper types.
Mr. Incredible says:
Maybe he is.
October 8, 2010 1:48 PM
If so, he’s a millionaire!
Mr. Incredible says:
Good!



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Mr. Incredible, in the Name of Jesus Who came in Grace and Truth!

posted October 8, 2010 at 4:52 pm


CORRECTION Then, it shouldn’t bother you that I post



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Chili Dogg

posted December 14, 2010 at 1:25 pm


Hi Rev. Lynn,
With all due respect, your comments come across as dripping with sarcasm and bitterness. I am a libertarian and I agree with some of your positions, and don’t think that your tone benefits your cause.
BTW, there is one case where I seriously disagree with you. I heard you interviewed about the school system in Canton, GA, using a church building for graduation. Your position in this case is overkill. Look at the “Lemon test” from the Supreme Court case and consider the elements of the test:
1. Is there a bona fide secular purpose.
This is the case in Canton. They will use the church building (because it is the largest one in the area) for a graduation ceremony for a couple of hours once a year (I assume once a year; I have not heard otherwise, and once a year is common.)
2. Is there promotion or restriction of religion?
This seems to be the case in Canton. Using a building for 2-3 hours once a year, with no preaching or prosyletizing, has no significant effect promoting or inhibiting religion. You stated in your interview that you would be OK with the church if they covered their religious symbols (but you doubted they would). So you are really OK with the use of the building, and it comes down to people seeing religious symbols in the background for a couple of hours. Even that minimal, brief contact is enough for you to consider it an unconstitutional establishment of religion. Really? I think that even many moderates and liberals would consider that an extremist position.
You would have us believe that the Congress that created the Bill of Rights and allowed prayer to start their sessions and provided money for churchs in Indian territories would see a once-a-year secular ceremony in a building with religious symbols in the background as being against the Constitution. Sorry, I just laughed when I re-read that. You can’t be serious.
3. Is there an excessive entanglement of religion and the government? A secular ceremony, once a year, that lasts 2-3 hours in a church building hardly rises that level.
Your group is involved in some worthwhile causes, but when you engage in extremist causes that seem to attack any presence of religion and religious symbols, it leads people not to trust and accept your group.
The funny thing is that I am not religious and you are a minister, and yet you are the one who is extreme in attacking religion. What gives, bro?
Chili Dogg



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