Lynn v. Sekulow

Lynn v. Sekulow


Imam Rauf – No Bridge Builder at Ground Zero

posted by Jay Sekulow

Barry,

Imam Rauf missed an important opportunity.  Instead, of coming forward and becoming the ‘bridge-builder’ that he so often proclaims to be, he told CNN that there’s no plan to move the Cordoba House project – building a $100 million dollar mosque at the site of Ground Zero.

Of course, the Imam does not consider the site where the building is located to be Ground Zero. That’s unfortunate since the landing gear of one of the hijacked planes crashed through the roof of the building on 9-11.  And, now, even new reports that human remains from that fateful day have been discovered just steps away from the building. 

But what caught my attention and is still resonating from his interview are his comments interjecting the claim that our national security is at risk if the mosque is not built at that site. 

These comments are not only offensive to the 9-11 victims’ families and friends, but to an overwhelming majority of Americans who don’t want the mosque built at Ground Zero. 

His comments were insensitive and divisive.  He cannot deny the fact that this is sacred and hallowed ground.  And his desire to move forward with the project is simply not in the best interest of the families and friends of the 9-11 victims or the American people.

All of this, of course, has spawned tremendous media coverage – and sideshows – like the Florida pastor and others who threaten to burn the Koran.  Such actions are despicable – they are divisive and insensitive as well.  They have no place in this debate.

But, the focus right now should be on the Imam, the developers, and financial backers of the project.  With rapidly changing developments, there are signs that not all mosque supporters are on the same page.  There are reports that mosque backers may be divided and that the chief investor in the site is willing to sell. 

And it’s apparent, as we commemorate the 9th anniversary of the horrific terrorist attacks of 9-11, that this issue is not going away any time soon. 

Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani says “sensitivity is a two-way street.”  In an opinion editorial, the former Mayor said:  “Many have expressed misgivings and even fear about locating a mosque so close to the site where thousands of Americans were slaughtered by Islamic extremists. The vast majority with legitimate concerns – including me – should not be automatically lumped in with the small minority who have expressed more strident opinions about the mosque and about Islam in general.”

The fact is most Americans are tolerant.  And most Americans understand that this location – at the site of Ground Zero – is not the place to build a mosque.  Will the Imam come to that conclusion?

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toujoursdan

posted September 10, 2010 at 2:39 pm


What you fail to understand is that Muslims are Americans.
300 Muslims also died in the World Trade Center along with other Americans and foreigners that day. Hundreds of Muslims were among the first responders to the tragedy as fire fighters, paramedics, EMTs, police and concerned civilians who helped those in need. Some paid with their lives when the buildings collapsed. Even more Muslims were the doctors, nurses, orderlies, hospital administration, therapists and other caretakers whose efforts helped heal those injured in the tragedy. Anyone who lives in New York City knows that Muslims are overrepresented in those professions here. Beyond that, there are an estimated 3,000-4,000 Muslims fighting FOR America in Iraq and Afghanistan; doing counter-terrorism measures and Arabic translation and radio and TV broadcasting to win over hearts and minds to our way of life and values. What does one say to these people? They still aren’t “real” Americans whose sensitivities also matter? What does one say to the Middle East? That Muslims will never be accepted in America and that maybe we are fighting a war against them, instead of just the terrorists as we say?
Religious freedom doesn’t mean much of a minority religious group is bullied into acting differently than the rest of us. It turns our Constitution into something akin to what the Cubans and Soviets had: expansive rights on paper that weren’t worth the ink they were written on because people know they can’t actually use them. The Imam realizes that, and so do many other concerned Christians, Jews, gays and secular people who support him in this city.
This is a center built by Americans for Americans. It will be open to people of all faiths who want to go for a swim, or take a cooking class, or listen to a lecture, or check out a book or meditate quietly. Some, perhaps the majority of those Americans will happen to be Muslim, but they are as American as the rest of us. This evil “us vs. them” tribalism in this debate has no place in a civilized, democratic country. There is no “them” in this case. There is only “us”.
This is something we should be celebrating, not condemning. And as a Christian I am so ashamed of this country.



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Martin V.

posted September 10, 2010 at 2:40 pm


Should Iman Rauf have lied, like pastor Jones, and said there was a deal? Most Americans know that this community center has nothing to do with terrorism. Christians burning copies of the Qu’ran out of hatred and stupidity isn’t terrorism either, but it’s the closer of the two. You want improved sensitivity Jay? Pull a condom over your head!



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Peter Nuhn

posted September 10, 2010 at 3:29 pm


Jay
What you don’t understand is that the acts of terrorism by Al Queda are not Islamic acts, they are geo-political acts of terrorism. Those who are being exploited for their natural resources in the Middle East are not strong enough to out right fight the exploiters so they result to acts of terrorism such as hijacking airliners and flying them into the Pentagon and the WTC.
Ground Zero is the site of a tremendous tragedy for thousands in New York City and around the world. Lots of deaths does not make a place sacred or hollowed. Usually that takes some shaman to do some hocus pocus to make a place sacred. The Vatican is sacred to Catholics, not because thousands died there, but because several centuries of Vatical leaders declared it to be sacred.



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Tammy in Austin

posted September 10, 2010 at 6:11 pm


Thank you, Jay, for articulating what many Americans think. If you take a look at the comments posted to the Yahoo News story about the Fla. preacher and the Imam, you will see that a LOT of people care.
This seems to be the sentiment: The Imam is insensitive to Americans with even the suggestion that this mosque be built anywhere near Ground Zero, and even if he has the right to do it, it should not be done.
However, when the Fla. pastor even threatened to burn a Koran – no action at all, just threatened, the Imam did not hesitate to threaten all Americans! People are outraged at the gall of this Imam. OUTRAGED. People are outraged that the Obama administration has employed gestapo strategies to silence the free speech rights of the Fla. pastor.
People are drawing lines in the sand, so to speak. This is very serious with many folks. So much so that Yahoo closes comment functionality within an hour or so of a news story.
Thanks again. Great piece.
Tammy



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Your Name

posted September 10, 2010 at 6:21 pm


“People are outraged that the Obama administration has employed gestapo strategies to silence the free speech rights of the Fla. pastor.”
What Gestapo tactics? Calling him on the phone to let him know his stupidity endangers Americans?



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William

posted September 10, 2010 at 7:02 pm


Commentaries like this are what’s truly “insulting and divisive”, not to mention nonsensical, considering the number one target of Islamic terrorists are moderate Muslims. I’m glad the Imam hasn’t backed down on his plans for the community center just because political opportunists, media hacks, and bigots are using it to stoke fear and hatred. You don’t negotiate with radicals. If he gives in to the radicals in our society, they’ll just keep bullying him. We are trying to built bridges in the Middle East to help ease tensions and our troops are still in the line of fire; yet, the radicals at home are falling over themselves to undermine our diplomatic efforts by discriminating against Muslims.
Does anyone remember the national outrage when St. Joseph’s Old Cathedral erected a sculpture after Irish Catholic Timothy McVeigh bombed the Federal building in Oklahoma City? How about when they built a new cathedral about half a block away? No, me neither…probably because it didn’t happen and would have been laughable if it did.



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fpoint

posted September 10, 2010 at 9:27 pm


William
September 10, 2010 7:02 PM
Commentaries like this are what’s truly “insulting and divisive”, not to mention nonsensical, considering the number one target of Islamic terrorists are moderate Muslims. I’m glad the Imam hasn’t backed down on his plans for the community center just because political opportunists, media hacks, and bigots are using it to stoke fear and hatred. You don’t negotiate with radicals. If he gives in to the radicals in our society, they’ll just keep bullying him. We are trying to built bridges in the Middle East to help ease tensions and our troops are still in the line of fire; yet, the radicals at home are falling over themselves to undermine our diplomatic efforts by discriminating against Muslims…..
@ William….the #1 target of Islamic terrorists are moderate Muslims? I think I heard a count of about 18 Muslims in the WTC when the planes hit & don’t think they were the target. Dont’ think they were the targets in England or Spain bombings either or Ft. Hood for that matter. This Imam has said some pretty damaging things. Now he implies retaliation if they DON’T build the mosque??? Sounds like intimidation to me. Where are you getting your insider ‘diplomatic relations’ info? Building this mosque won’t improve relations…don’t believe that for a minute. It’s a control & conquer thing…..pre-programmed for centuries. Like rape, it is about power, not sex.
Our beautiful soldiers overseas take care of business, then build bridges & many humanitarian things overseas FOR MUSLIMS. There is the proof of tolerance. 100 mosques already in NYC is proof of tolerance yet again. I disagree with you on so many levels.



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Henrietta22

posted September 10, 2010 at 10:50 pm


There were about 60 Muslim people killed in the World Trade Center. Elsewhere their names were given during this uproar over the Bldg. I can’t have been the only person who read that. Even if it were 18, do their families hurt less than the people I know of from NJ that were killed? These were terrorists they didn’t care who they killed, they were killing in America and destroying, just as they do in Europe and in their own country killing moderate muslims. I know New Yorkers who are o.k. with the Muslim Community Cultural Center for all religions going up in the old Burlington Coat factory Bldg. They don’t consider this hallowed ground. There are opposing opinions, and the decider is the law for N.Y.C. and our “Freedom of Religion” in America. Our President Obama said and explained it very well. The Imam Rauf is trying to build bridges, try to understand his reasoning. The building, or part of it has been used for a mosque for years since 9-ll, there is a strip-joint, a bar, also for a long time during this nine yrs. Where was everyones indignation about this? It wasn’t until it was on its way to be used for the Muslims plans that it suddenly became a hallowed area.



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tom rogers

posted September 11, 2010 at 4:43 am


When it’s all said and done, the fact that Americans are protesting mosques throughout the US, not just the Manhattan one, only shows that those who believe as Mr. Sekelow does are nothing but hypocrites.



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DSJulian

posted September 11, 2010 at 4:56 am


If everywhere an inncent person was killed by a terrorist or extremist in NYC is hallowed ground, then the entire city would be devoid of all institutions of religion. Republican fundraisers recognize that they have lost the culture war against American Indians, American women, American Catholics, American blacks, American socialists, and American gays so they have picked their next target: American Muslims. And, no, they have no shame about their hypocrisy this time either…



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EllieDee

posted September 11, 2010 at 7:24 am


What I have realized regarding this issue is: what we as Americans have been expecting from this Muslim cleric, is a Judeo-Christian response. We see others through our own eyes, and in this case we were waiting for compassion, and instead got stubborn arrogance. Maybe thats the Islamic way…. “by your fruits I will know you”



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Your Name

posted September 11, 2010 at 11:43 am


Reuters: “My father is not one to give up,” said Emma Jones, 30. “As a daughter, I see the good-natured core inside him. But I think he needs help.”
“I think he has gone mad,” she added. “I saw that my father preached and did things that I didn’t find biblical at all. He demanded total allegiance to himself and his second wife,” she said.
E.D. “What I have realized regarding this issue is: what we as Americans have been expecting…is a Judeo-Christian response. …in this case we were waiting for compassion, and instead got stubborn arrogance.”
Yep.



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Rn mom

posted September 11, 2010 at 2:14 pm


Some of the posts are very insensitive. The fact remains over 70% of American citizens do not want the victory tower to be built at the former burlington coat factory site. Over 70% find this to be hallowed ground, to blame this staggering number of people who don’t want it there on “republican agenda” is insane- 70% of US citizens are not republicans. Imam Feisal is an arrogant pot stirrer. He knew this site would cause us to speak out. He is the last person who should be considered a bridge builder, his idea of outreach to the American people is to threaten us of islamic reprisal. How come no one in the media addresses the ways in which people are speaking their minds in this country? Instead they liken our protest to the murderers of Nazi Germany or the extremists in Afganistan. We are protesting with WORDS- and the comparison to other place of business that surround the WTC sites is silly too- strippers and drunks didn’t murder 3000 Americans on 9-11.



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Your Name

posted September 11, 2010 at 2:44 pm


“strippers and drunks didn’t murder 3000 Americans on 9-11.”
Neither did anyone associated with this community center.
“The fact remains over 70% of American citizens do not want the victory tower to be built at the former burlington coat factory site.”
This is an old number. Any recent polls?
“Over 70% find this to be hallowed ground”
Never polled, and not very hallowed, was the point, with strip clubs allowed.
What percentage thought Iraq played a part in 9/11? What percent STILL DO? What percent are ijits?



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Your Name

posted September 11, 2010 at 3:25 pm


To all the 9/ 11 families —–LOVES …..C



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mike d

posted September 11, 2010 at 3:56 pm


Liberals looking for moderate muslims. Did anyone interviewed minorities in muslim coutries and find out about moderate muslims. Let me tell you when muslims are in minority or less then 30% of population
they are moderate. After that you dare to say anything agianst them you will be killed. You keep on dreaming about moderate muslims and they will go over 30% because of marriage to non muslims and multiple babies. Daisy is not muslim name that means imam rauf wife is convert.
Accordint to koran when you convert anyone you go to paradise. I hope somebody thinks clear and see what is happening.



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Joseph A. Bible

posted September 11, 2010 at 6:05 pm


Osama Bin Laden is a gay man. Watch his news footage. It’s the way of the Arab world to sell BOYS. He was hurt as a young boy. He’s gay. Report it. If not I relinquish my Republican vote. You will not and I will feel good anyway. The news is a national security threat. The only one.



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Joseph A. Bible

posted September 11, 2010 at 6:14 pm


This discussion is irrelevant. All you country bumpkins go and process whiskey. Follow your leader …Saragh Alaskaskan Palign. She is the accomplice to the anti-christ. Read your Bible. the woman? FOX News delays this so much in order to refuse honest discussion. OBSURD.



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Scottt01

posted September 11, 2010 at 10:46 pm


Do Americans really believe that America is intolerant of religion. America has thousands of Mosques and tens of thousands of Muslims living here as Americans. People of all faiths and non-faith interact everyday and live peaceful lives. Most Muslim nations like Saudi Arabia only tolerate Islam and forbid any other faith or non-faith. The hijackers of 911 came from Saudi Arabia and were only acting on the intoleration that Muslims in Saudi Arabia taught. The only people that acted with hate on 911 were the hijackers. There is not a single country on this planet that practises tolerance and acceptance as Americans do. It is America that must demand tolerance and acceptance be taught in all Muslim countries. Start letting other religions establish centers for worship in Muslim lands. Start teaching in Muslim schools that people aren’t bad because of different beliefs.



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Tom Balderston

posted September 12, 2010 at 1:02 am


Check out: Understanding Islam at the URL site. http://
http://www.TomBalderston.wordpress.com



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Paul Stannack

posted September 12, 2010 at 3:14 am


The truth is, when is a creed a religion and when is it a cult ? Does the fact that large numbers of people have been persuaded or live subject to its bondage make a creed necessarily good ? In the Twenty-First Century one wonders, what in God’s name do we do with a creed whose founder …. 1. clearly instructed his followers to kill anybody who refuses to be persuaded ? …. 2. Which in countries where it is dominant, cannot be renounced upon pain of death ? …. 3. Which promotes and glorifies sex with minors ? …. 4. Which insists that women must be kept in perpetual subjection ? …. 5. Which gladly incites the murder of any critic whether that critic be of the creed or not ? …. 6. And whose founder then sealed all this with a perpetual command to his followers to kill anybody who says or merely hints that he was wrong or who questions the authenticity of the revelation he claims to have received from what he assumed was God ?
One wonders just how a creed which promises its own perpetrators of multiple murders a multitude of virgins to slake an assumed thirst for endless pleasure in heaven, qualifies as a religion.
We should be more concerned that insidious Political Correctness does not allow this creed to gain a disproportionate foothold in once-free countries. We should strive that this vicious creed does not set the tone in international affairs. And be alert to prevalent “stealth-jihad” of the pronounced anti-Western, anti-Christian elements mentored, thriving and even flourishing within news organizations like CNN.



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Paul Stannack

posted September 12, 2010 at 3:22 am


The truth is, when is a creed a religion and when is it a cult ? Does the fact that large numbers of people have been persuaded or live subject to its bondage make a creed necessarily good ? In the Twenty-First Century one wonders, what in God’s name do we do with a creed whose founder …. 1. clearly instructed his followers to kill anybody who refuses to be persuaded ? …. 2. Which in countries where it is dominant, cannot be renounced upon pain of death ? …. 3. Which promotes and glorifies sex with minors ? …. 4. Which insists that women must be kept in perpetual subjection ? …. 5. Which gladly incites the murder of any critic whether that critic be of the creed or not ? …. 6. And whose founder then sealed all this with a perpetual command to his followers to kill anybody who says or merely hints that he was wrong or who questions the authenticity of the revelation he claims to have received from what he assumed was God ?
One wonders just how a creed which promises its own perpetrators of multiple murders a multitude of virgins to slake an assumed thirst for endless pleasure in heaven, qualifies as a religion.
We should be more concerned that insidious Political Correctness does not allow this creed to gain a disproportionate foothold in once-free countries. We should strive that this vicious creed does not set the tone in international affairs. And be alert to the prevalent “stealth-jihad” of the pronounced anti-Western, anti-Christian elements mentored, thriving and even flourishing within news organizations like CNN.



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Sai

posted September 12, 2010 at 8:16 am


The mosque is not actually being built on ground zero but two blocks away from it.
I understand the sensitivities of the families, however it is more insulting to oppose the construction of a mosque because the terrorists want to divide Americans on the basis of religion.
By saying yes to the mosque, we’re saying to the terrorists – America is a nation of tolerance.



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Rich

posted September 12, 2010 at 8:04 pm


Paul Stannack,
I have heard it said and I find it to be true that the only difference between a religion and a cult is that a religion has political power. Beyond that, they are all the same. While you may ascribe a more benevolent behavior to Christianity, it clearly hasn’t always been that way. The capability for violence is still there in Christians, just currently held at bay. Islam obviously is churning out more militant nuts right now than Christianity does and that will be a long-term problem for people wanting to live in peace. Christianity is turning out it fair share of nuts too, i.e. Westboro Baptist, a group not too far away from turning the corner into violence. As well, Christians play sniper every now and then to kill an abortion doctor or two so I don’t think for a minute that Christianity couldn’t turn on a dime and return to its violent past.



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Mary

posted September 12, 2010 at 10:40 pm


No bridge building here, rather a victory mosque. Make no mistake about it. The Imam is simply employing the provision that the Koran makes for a Muslim to lie to any infidile in order to further the cause of Islam. They are simply not required to tell us the truth.
As far as Pastor Jones is concerned I am surprised to President Obama did not proclaim that Pastor Jones has a Constitutional right to burn the Koran like he proclaimed the Iman has the right to build the mosque in location they wish. He could have commented on the lack of wisdom of doing it…like he sort of did with Imam. But no…this Christian Pastor did not get the same reaction that the Imam got. I for one, do not think we should burn any book..religious or otherwise. But if someone wants to, they have the right to do so. I don’t think we should cave into the not so subtle threat of inciting the muslin world if this mosque is moved. That will only be their excuse of the day. The next day something else will provoke them..it doesn’t seem to take much.



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Ziad

posted September 13, 2010 at 1:17 am


The Land Already SOld Untill we Pass the Time that Buyer Could Not Use it and the Law Automatically Take the Land ,which the Imam Bought it
Please Lord Gives Us Strength



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Alicia

posted September 13, 2010 at 11:41 am


I highly recommend this quote that Andrew Sullivan posted yesterday on the Daily Dish:
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/09/quote-6.html
Excerpt:
“Perhaps if there were large numbers of unequivocal moderates, I wouldn’t need Imam Feisal as a dialogue partner. But there aren’t. And as an Israeli and a Jew, I need him desperately. I need him because large parts of the Muslim world are going the way that large parts of the Christian world went in the 1930s.”
“We need an approach that doesn’t resort to the blinders of the left or the sledgehammers of the right. If the result sounds “confusing,” I’m willing to live with a certain amount of dissonance, at least in my religious conversations,” – Yossi Klein Halevi, in a response to Ron Radosh’s hostility to Park51.”



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Your Name

posted September 13, 2010 at 4:46 pm


So, I don’t know, the right or the left being called for what they did, how about sticking to the issue of the topic wrather then pointing a finger… one way or the other…. Like it is a democratic problem or a repuplican thing… c



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Alicia

posted September 14, 2010 at 1:32 pm


In “Foreign Policy” (via Slate) Akbar Ahmed has an excellent article about American mosques. He doesn’t pull any punches and includes examples of Salafist mosques as well as of moderate and progressive mosques:
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/09/09/inside_americas_mosques?page=0,0
Note: Imam Rauf’s current mosque in New York, 12 blocks from Ground Zero, is featured.



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Ken Haltey, Florida

posted September 14, 2010 at 6:33 pm


It is evident that the Imam’s statement, “this is a matter of national security, “if we don’t proceed with the building” is a veiled threat to this nation, especially new York City. It is despicable that the media, or Justice Department does not see this.



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Nathan

posted September 15, 2010 at 12:43 am


On Jay’s program tonight he discussed the conquering nature of the Muslim faith in relation to the 911 Mosque controversy. On this point, I saw and heard a audio and visual clip about 1 1/2 to 2 weeks ago on tv of the NYC Imam answering the question of why he wouldn’t move the mosque.
His answer was that it would be against their faith to do so at this time.
I have heard nothing about this comment since, but someone needs to ask him about this, and we all need to have this deeper discussion on a national level. He hasn’t mentioned it again, so I think he has since thought better of that impromptu admission, but it is remarkably consistent with and an explanation for his more recent comment or threat that to move the mosque now would cause violence across the muslim world against the US. Why would it cause this violence? Why is it against their faith?
I also believe it is consistent with Jay’s comments tonight about the Muslim faith building these mosques on conquered land. I would in fact add to Jay’s comment two other examples to prove this point: The NYC mosque is named for the Cordoba mosque in spain, and what was that mosque? After the Muslim’s conquered Spain they did what they do. They built the Cordoba Mosque on the exact site of a very important christian church at Cordoba. And similarly, when the Muslim’s conquered Jerusalem so long ago, they build a mosque (The Dome on the rock) directly on top of the holiest Jewish site in the city, and in the world–the temple mount. In both Jerusalem and Spain, the mosque was an in your face statement of conquering the jews and conquering christians, and yes, of claiming ownership forever of that land, because once there it is there’s forever. And now they are claiming the 911 site just the same. It would be against their faith, as the Imam said perhaps unwittingly, but interstingly has not said again, to move the mosque site now that they own the land. This is consistent with moving it causing violence in the Muslim world.
Islam is more than a religion. It is also a political and economic/social structure. It is also, as evidenced above and in so many ways and places around the world today, imperialistic at its core. Islam is an imperialist theocracy… much more than just a religion… and is a global threat. Who are the so called moderate muslims people mention in so politically correct a way? Their silence is defining. And is a Muslim who does not want terrorism as his method, but instead a slower internal takeover, replacing current political and legal systems with Islamic law, actually a moderate at all? If we put the terrorists and the non-violent imperialists together, would that not be a large majority of muslims in the world? The only true answer to Islamic terror and the larger Islamic threat is either outright war and defeat, or a reformation from within similar to the centuries old Christian reformation. But it seems to me such reformists are few and far between. At the very least they have a better chance if we in the west stand strong on our belief in our more tolerant societies, especially the value of the constitutional republic here in the US. Food for thought.
Someone needs to find this clip, ask the Imam, and delve into this perspective much more.



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lovelystill

posted September 15, 2010 at 3:43 am


It doesn’t matter how many people died on 9/11, or who they were, or who killed them, or how many Americans and people all over the world find placing Cordoba Mega-Mosque near Ground Zero a very wrong, insensitive and immoral act (by the way old name is back – there is no need to fool anyone anymore – why bother…), or who are the people behind the mosque, what are their views to preach in this mosque or where they get the money. Osama bin Laden himself could buy this property and be protected by the 1st Amendment. In doubt? Don’t be. He didn’t kill 3000 Americans, it wasn’t even his idea – Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was the primary architect of the attack, G.W. Bush said: “We know he is guilty!” – not good enough. Our smart lawyers, liberal court and confined government officials would let him exercise his “rights”. This is America!
And please forget the word “tolerance”. “Radical” pastor from Florida shows more of it than the “bridge makers” whose tolerance measures by number Zero.



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rellshep33

posted September 15, 2010 at 11:32 am


come on America Fight 4 what’s right!!!!



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rellshep33

posted September 15, 2010 at 11:43 am


This is not something we want to happen.Is anyone really for this to happen?After our soldiers fighting for our country that would be a complet and total insult to our country.And what do you mean it dont matter who or where it was?that is so not true..and for them to build something like that at ground zero,would be like them spitting on our friends family and friends.like putting a tomb stone on them for there country.forget that mess Have a heart for the people that did loose people and for our country.DONT LET THIS HAPPEN!!!!!



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Your Name

posted September 15, 2010 at 12:39 pm


Let’s be a bunch of lawless hypocrites. If we don’t like what some other people believe, we ought to be able to drive them out or kill them. Homogeneity is key. Kiss religious freedom good-bye forever!



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Your Name

posted September 15, 2010 at 1:55 pm


Heir Colbert’s idea vill verk. Bury a certain book, could be Koran, mit explozives unt tell ze Muslims it vill be detonated automatically if zey build a mosque. Ven zey do, unt, it goes boom, zen zey vill have to kill zemselves for destroying Koran!



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Lisa

posted September 16, 2010 at 4:33 am


Islamic Terror Attacks on American Soil
Amazing facts at that link!
Ok every Christian needs to read their Bible and then compare it to the koran book. There are even sites where they do it for you and you can cross reference it. Christianity vs Islam. Yes the koran teaches murder Jihad. it teaches Islam or and no tolerance for any other way religious or in form of government. It promotes honor killing rape and murder of their own people their own families even here in America!
yes like Europe like Egypt, Islam is trying to take over the world one country at a time and they dont care how long it takes.
yes the Iman is a liar…but that is also what the koran book teaches. They teach Takia! lie to promote the progression of Islam.
America needs to wake up now!! WE need to stop Islam now. The koran preaches bad ideology, bad for governments against democracy and our republic. Against Christians and freedom! Freedom for all !
Many muslims come here to get away from Sharia! They dont want to be tortured, told they cant get and education etc…
No ground zero mosque!or any mosque funded by Iran or Untied Emrites/ terrorists / Jihad!
WE will fight the terrorists always!We will never let them take control of our country!



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Your Name

posted September 16, 2010 at 12:45 pm


Yes, let’s be a bunch of lawless hypocrites. If we don’t like what some other people believe, we ought to be able to drive them out or kill them. Homogeneity is key. It’s US against THEM! Religious freedom is wrong!



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lovelystill

posted September 16, 2010 at 1:08 pm


Proposition for the new slogan:
“No Mosque for Imam A.Rauf Anywhere in the US!”
1979: “The revolution in Iran was inspired by the very principles of individual rights and freedom that Americans ardently believe in.”-A.Rauf
1979, August 30: “Those who are trying to bring corruption to our country in the name of the democracy will be oppressed. They are worse than Bani-Ghorizeh Jews, and must be hanged. We will oppress them by God’s order and God’s call to prayer.”-Ayatollah Khomeini.
30000 political activists were executed. A.Khomeini is in the list of “Top 10 Most Evil
Man” along with Atilla, Ivan the Terrible, Hitler and Stalin.



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Your Name

posted September 16, 2010 at 1:24 pm


Absolutely right. Why would we allow anyone to worship in this country who believes in the principles of individual rights and freedoms, and who disdains corruption. They just don’t fit in with our Christian ways!



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Your Name

posted September 16, 2010 at 2:54 pm


I heard some quack talking about somebody on t.v. land discussing how they say masterbation is adultry and ” she doesn’t pay her bills”
Interesting to note that is scripture when you lust about somebody in your heart that it is adultry… not to mention the physical act of it, if they were thinking about someone other then their spouse during that sexual gratification experience….
As for her not paying her bills…
Who knows what could have happened to her, maybe she got raped, lost her job and had a whole bunch of people use her to practically she was dieing of some cancerous disease…
So, try not to judge next time… Or maybe, she put in a whole bunch of applications and nobody was hiring and all the people with all the money were too selfish to give a damn to help her out in achieving financial freedom… Of course they could drive by in a car, be in the latest movie or be on the cover of a magazine… Or who knows maybe host a radio broadcast…
So I am not impressed with today’s society…..C



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Your Name

posted September 16, 2010 at 2:56 pm


Help, me, huh, ya right, you were only helping yourself in getting more of what you want, which is a fatter wallet or maybe it was somebody other then your wife between the sheets….
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Your Name

posted September 16, 2010 at 3:02 pm


Re: Maturbation is adultery, and ‘If he already knows what pleases him and can please himself, then why am I in the picture?’
As Oscar Wilde said, you’re in the picture because I can’t reach it with my mouth!



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Sacramental Bea

posted September 17, 2010 at 1:51 pm


“the Imam does not consider the site where the building is located to be Ground Zero”
Um, that might be because it ISN’T!



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Ceci Warren

posted September 17, 2010 at 3:27 pm


Maybe not a bridge builder, but certainly a community center/mosque builder. The bridge between people can only be built by people willing to walk out onto it and extend a friendly hand.



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Your Name

posted September 17, 2010 at 4:10 pm


Of course some people like to burn bridges and don’t like to shake hands, so there will not be much bridge building there…
Even if a person shakes a hand they could be just going throught the motion of it, wrather then it actually being a bridge… Some people love devisiveness or destroying people and relationships, weather that be an emotional destruction or a physical one…. Some people are just hell bent and will never turn…. They like darkness and want to paint the other as such… Liars that they are, they get away with murder, but not before God… And eventually it comes back to haunt them ……
C



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Your Name

posted September 17, 2010 at 4:13 pm


whether-used as a function word usu. with correlative or or with or whther to indicate….
So sorry for the imperfection of the humankind…c



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Your Name

posted September 17, 2010 at 4:16 pm


You get my drift, it is the issue which is important, not how perfect the person presents themselves… For perfection would be a lie if that is what they want others to think…..c



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Topper

posted September 18, 2010 at 3:23 pm


Religious wars, is there anything as utterly foolish? I think not.



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Your Name

posted September 18, 2010 at 6:04 pm


Well some people are hell bent in their own holier then though, or I am right and you are wrong… to want to actually be a friend or a close confidant of any sorts….. Take religion out of the mix…
When you put religion in that recipe, you get war… C



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Ceci Warren

posted September 19, 2010 at 1:43 pm


He is building a bridge between people who will walk it. Those who prefer to walk a life of hatred, fear, and violence will find those things even in the construction of this community center. Pitiful.



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Your Name

posted September 19, 2010 at 4:14 pm


Of course there are some who lead the church who wish to lie, cheat and steal , including trying to take somebodies diginity away from them instead of being compassionate… I find the whole thing of leadership to be quite pitiful, especially when the leadership turns out to be only conscerned with presentation, instead of the heart of the matter…
And yes, I find people to be pitiful who show up in various places who claim to be Christian’s of well known status only to try and compete as though they are something more worthy then them…. I find it repulsive… So you can keep your little church bulletin, when it only leads to hypocrasy..And you can keep your purpose, because you lied to the public, only to try and cover up your bloody mess of what you did….
The only fear that is to fear itself… The people who inflict abuse by the horrid behavior of coming behing somebody only to instate repetative abuse, is what is truth… And you can keep your bloody millions which further demonstrate your hypocrasy…, esp. when you could leave somebody to die within the church…
I do believe in accountability and some churches do not have it , they reak of phonyness… further perpetuating the problem of lieing religion…. So when your going to preach to the chior, try doing what the word says… instead of walk away from the person on the side of the road who is wounded from the church… Maybe even your church…. have you ever thought of that…
Yes, I believe in forgiveness… but all I really say was you trying to show up where I was to try and take something for yourself, even to spread a lie to further demonstrate your cause of hypocrisy… And yes, I find you to be pathetic..
And no, this is not to further demonstrate hate, this is to shed light on darkness within the church. Some people like to parade their prayers for fame and fortune…
And religious wars, we will have them to the end of our lifetime on the planet… So, to think otherwise would indeed be stupid…
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Your Name

posted September 19, 2010 at 4:17 pm


hypocrisy- The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.
Just to note, the C’s blogs are not to be confused with Ceci Warren….



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Your Name

posted September 19, 2010 at 4:23 pm


I believe in forgiveness, which does not mean to say what a person or them did was right, quite the contrary… It could mean they did something more terrable then imaginable… But, like the Bible says, you should forgive, which means to pardon and to not inflict ill will on the other, which leads it up to God the true recompence of the situation……
You were looking for an out of the situation, instead of taking responsability for what the person or yourself did… I gave a full disclosure of what happened to me and the situation, as thurough as I could , so I was not looking for an out, other then for people to know that I was not response for the event or events in question…. I was tired of the lies which they put in front of my face to try and cover what they did to me.. Leaving me all sich the way you did was hardly the Church way of doing it or a purpose driven life, now was it…. V



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posted September 19, 2010 at 4:25 pm


recompense-To award compensation to:
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LLS

posted September 20, 2010 at 5:15 am


What is a bridgebuilder?
Someone who is sensitive to the pain and distrust of those you are reaching out to on the other side and seeks to decrease that pain and build trust by choosing to build the bridge in the least offensive location.
Someone who listens with sensitivity to the expressed concern that the bridge is being named in a way that could be understood by many Muslims to be provocative in a historical sense. Allow the name to be chosen in cooperation with those to whom it is reaching as a sign of good ‘faith’ and intention.
Someone who hears the anxiety that this is a project that may be a tool of those within the Islamic world who would use it for propaganda purposes and comes forward with transparency showing the financial supporters and assures those being reached by the bridge the ‘true’ nature and intent of the bridge by who is really behind it.
I have NOT seen ANY signs of a Bridgebuilder in Imam Rauf’s actions or pronouncements at any part of this growing drama.
I find myself put off and untrusting of people who claim to be a bridgebuilder, but act without ‘hearing’ those toward whom the bridge is built!
If this is not TRULY a bridge that is being built, then just HONESTLY say so and put an end to what appears to be a big propaganda charade!



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anna c

posted September 20, 2010 at 8:01 am


who started this mess? What does the Bible say about how we are to treat one another? Was this country built on freedom of religion or was it not? The Imam is caught between two cultures and i think we ought to take his word for it that Muslims world wide might see his moving to be a threat toward their religion. We need to make peace with Islam, not inflame radicals. When did we become so self-centered and self-righteous that we only think of what we want? If that property was used for a Christian center or Jewish center would anyone care? Who would dare to say it is hallowed and sacred ground? It is only our fear of Muslim extremists that keeps this non-issue going. God says we are to love one another and that means we are to love them as much as we want them to love us and as much as we obviously love ourselves and think we have the moral right to say Islam has no place here. What hypocrisy! So if Gold’s Gym built on that sight we would be okay with it. Why not tear down every building around that area and make it one huge cemetery and be done with it? Let Muslims have what is rightfully theirs. They own the property and can use it for their own religion. Let’s make peace over this and stop arguing. In the words of that great philosopher Rodney King, “Can’t we all just get along?”



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SusieQ

posted September 20, 2010 at 8:26 am


I think all have forgotten what this great country was built on. One nation under GOD! It didn’t say accommodate the people who are trying to destroy it, what we stand for. They came here to conquer this great nation, who we as Americans,are turning our backs on her. We the people need to stand together and bring her back to the once great nation she once was. To many have died for her justice of all nations, but we didn’t get envovled until we are forced to do so. This person is bound and determined to built this mosque for all the wrong reasons. If we do not respect our dead, who gave their lives for no reason at all, except for a bunch of radicals, I think we have sacrificed enough for all these mixed religions. I want to get back to the good old fashion Christian religion. We do not beleive you have got to kill anyone so we can go to our lord.



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SSB

posted September 20, 2010 at 8:58 am


First lets keep in mind that the building is not being build on the site of the towers, but two blocks away. Since when has that area become holy ground? If we stop this building what is to prevent us from allowing a Bapthis or other church next? Must the next churc meet our standards of what is a true American religion? Where is the compassion and tolerance this country is always talking about? I end this with simply by saying WWJD????



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posted September 20, 2010 at 9:08 am


What people don’t understand is Islam is not a religion, it is a system and within that system there are many components. The Muslims ultimate goal, and they pray this 5 times a day, is to take over the entire world. Look at Turkey for example, the birthplace of Christinity, it is now over 95% Muslim. Read the history, folks. Don’t bury your head in the sand and pretend that not all Muslims are bad. Once Muslims have a majority in the US, dont’ think that they won’t enact Sharia law. It WILL happen. Read what is happening in Europe, the Muslims are getting into political office and changing laws to their advantage. We have Muslim communities right here in the US that are enacting Sharia law in their communities. Wake up. The Muslims are using our Constitution to gain a foothold to eliminate our Constitution.
THIS BELOW SHOULD OPEN YOUR EYES TO ANY DOUBT.
Cross posted from Radarsite from an original article in ACT
http://blog.americancongressfortruth.com/
Note from Radarsite: For anyone who may still have lingering doubts about the real danger of the Muslim onslaught of the West, this may be the most revealing analysis of the threat of the Islamic Jihad that you will ever read. The reasoning is impeccable and the conclusions reached are both obvious and startling.
“Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against the world and all of us against the infidel.” — Leon Uris, “The Haj”
Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components.Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called “religious rights.”
When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to “the reasonable” Muslim demands for their “religious rights,” they also get the other components under the table. Here’s how it works — percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book
(2007).
As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:
United States — Muslim 1.0%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1%-2%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%
At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:
Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%
From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. (United States).
France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — Muslim 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5% Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions (Paris — car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats (Amsterdam — Mohammed cartoons).
Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 10-15%
After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:
Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%
At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:
Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%
From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:
Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%
Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%
100% will usher in the peace of “Dar-es-Salaam” — the Islamic House of Peace — there’s supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:
Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 99.9%
Of course, that’s not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.
“Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against the world and all of us against the infidel.” — Leon Uris, “The Haj”
It is good to remember that in many, many countries, such as France, the Muslim populations are centered around ghettos based on their ethnicity. Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. Therefore, they exercise more power than their national average would indicate.



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Eddie deRoulet

posted September 20, 2010 at 9:52 am


I read in bible study yesterday that I should not be all that concerned about thier sin, that I should be concerned about my sin.
I’m not concerned that many Americans think of the twin towers area as “hallowed/sacred” ground, for me it is/was a crime scene, no more, no less. We need to get over it and begin to act like the Christians we say we are. If we act like “them” we become “them” and that is something I hope we do not do.



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k.f.

posted September 20, 2010 at 11:19 am


As mentioned above, world domination is the goal, according to the Islamic Texts. What has happened in other countries is proof enough. This threat is greater than Hitler and his Nazis. As Christians, do you line up to be slaughtered or defend yourself? Those are the only two choices. The Christian Bible does allow self defense. Read Revelations that says you bow to the Anti Christ or off with your head. Who else does that? Thank about it!



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Life of Riley

posted September 20, 2010 at 12:01 pm


I agree that this Imam is not trying to be sensitive toward others or build a bridge to Americans. Either the word Islam or Koran, one of the two, means “SUBMISSION.” In Islamic theology, one of the key characteristics of Allah is his WILL. Muslims who are consistent with their Islamic teachings want to make others submissive to the will of Allah as they see it. This Mosque is about proclaiming victory – NOT ON AMERICAN SOIL. We as Americans need to rally for freedom and dignity. We have been endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights. Stand up for America! Stand up for a proper view of God!



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American

posted September 20, 2010 at 12:19 pm


Eddie…We Christians are NOT like them. Ask the Christians in Turkey how they feel about it…oh wait they have all been killed off by the Muslims. I agree that the twin towers are not “hallowed/sacred” ground, but I don’t believe a Mosque should be built anywhere in our country. When our founding fathers gave us the right of freedom of religion they didn’t have the Muslim animals in mind. Did we as Americans sit back and let Hitler and his henchmen attempt to take over the world? No, we as God fearing Americans and the Allies took back control. Do you not read about the mass killings of Christians in Africa by Muslims? Chad, Somalia among others? Are we as Christians supposed bury our heads in the Bible and do nothing? Is that what God wants? I think not! This is what we spoke about in our Bible study yesterday and every Church in the world should be speaking out. Not only Christians, but Hindus, Buddhists, even atheists and agnostics better join in, because according the the Muslims, we are all infidels and will require killing.



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LJ

posted September 20, 2010 at 12:31 pm


Eddie deRoulet
September 20, 2010 9:52 AM
I read in bible study yesterday that I should not be all that concerned about thier sin, that I should be concerned about my sin.
I’m not concerned that many Americans think of the twin towers area as “hallowed/sacred” ground, for me it is/was a crime scene, no more, no less. We need to get over it and begin to act like the Christians we say we are. If we act like “them” we become “them” and that is something I hope we do not do.
THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE ROLL OVER AND PLAY DEAD OR PUT OUR HEADS IN THE SAND WHILE THESE ANIMALS TAKE OVER OUR COUNTRY! CHRISTIAN OR NOT…YOU ARE AN AMERICAN AND YOU HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY THERE OR YOU ARE A TRAITOR! IT’S TIME TO GET OFF THE WALL!



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posted September 20, 2010 at 12:34 pm


PLEASE READ!!!, And forward to all on your email. Get the message out for the sake off this great Country!
http://www.americancongressfortruth.com/



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posted September 20, 2010 at 12:36 pm


First, as many people erroneously are stating, this community center is not being built in the heart of Ground Zero. Did anyone make an offer to buy this “sacred” tract of land before the Imam? What about the “dignity” of the strip clubs, porno huts, and infestation of drugs and violence that happen around that area? Are we as vocal about them?
It’s been said that Islam’s ultimate goal is to “take over the world” but isn’t that the goal of Christianity? To convert the world to Christ is what everyone tries to do. Has there not been violence in the name of Christianity? If we, as Christians, are supposed to love others in spite of…why are we placing such reverence on a spot of ground? Didn’t Muslim Americans die during 9/11 as well?



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posted September 20, 2010 at 12:53 pm


Christians don’t “take over the world” by killing people, but by spreading the Gospel by peaceful means. The Koran clearly states to kill, the New Testament does not. It amazes me that some people don’t read what’s happening in the world. Do you hear of bands of Christians killing people? Today, right now in the world, Muslims are killing in the name of Allah. Some Muslims did die in 9/11…the animals that flew the planes into the buildings and killed all of those innocent people.



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posted September 20, 2010 at 12:55 pm


The mosque at that particular site is not simply their worship place or a Muslim community center. It is an Islamic manifesto – a Religion of a sword and the Koran for subjugation of the world.
I don’t mind having it built there AT ALL. It is actually a terrific idea – for perpetual commemoration of Islamic Terrorism, lest people of the world ever forget.
What we need is a Islamic Terrorism Museum right across their mosque. Similar to a Jewish holocaust museum, it should display the whole history of Mohammedanism in their conquering with anti-Jewish and anti-Christian spirit. Islam is not a religion of peace (a famous lie, ignorance, or political brown-nosing from our presidents). Islam is not a religion of love – there is no love in their Koran. You submit and live; you don’t and get killed.



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Neil Gilligan

posted September 20, 2010 at 1:50 pm


I agree with what Eddie wrote about this Mosque building on Ground Zero.
Eddie deRoulet wrote: “We need to get over it and begin to act like the Christians we say we are.”
But how many version of Christians or supposed Christians there are? In my upcoming book “Wake Up!” I wrote:
“When Jesus mentions “baptism” in Mark 16:16, the Greek word for “baptism” means “to be overwhelmed (that is, fully wet), to be wholly covered with a liquid” and I will discuss this idea in detail in chapter seven. The key point however is that Jesus refers to the Holy Spirit as “streams of living water” in John 7:38; therefore, baptism in Mark 16:16 invariably includes being wholly covered by the streams of living water, which means that being baptized by the Holy Spirit was also to be included in this verse. Jesus told the first disciples “As the Father has sent me, I am sending you” and they received the Holy Spirit (John 20:21). Then Jesus told the first disciples “I am going to send you what my Father promised; but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high” (Luke 24:49). Then Jesus says to them “For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit (Acts 1:5). Then the first disciples were filled with the Holy Spirit and they were repeatedly filled by the Spirit throughout the book of Acts (Acts 2:4; 4:8; 4:31). These disciples who were repeatedly filled by the Spirit were called “Christians” and they demonstrated the power of God throughout the book of Acts (1 Peter 4:1: Acts 3:7; 5:16). These first disciples were called “Christians” had received their lamp; they had the light of life (Matthew 5:16; 25:1-4). The first disciples who were called “Christians” also had multiple fillings of the Spirit’s oil so they could fill up their lamps.”
I don’t know if Eddie meant being filled with the Spirit of God, but if true believers get filled then we can start praying for healing of the Muslims who are sick. Then when they get healed in Jesus’ name, you can share who Jesus is. Then cast out the demon of false religion that they get from worshipping a false god. Muslims will be converted when Christians get the Christ back into Christianity! Eddie if that is what you mean about acting like Christians, we are on the same page.
If Christians get filled en masse, we will transform the world. My book: “Transformed by the Power of God: Learning to be Clothed in Jesus Christ” by neil gilligan. Helps readers get the “Christ” which is the anointing of the Holy Spirit, back into “Christians”
Eddie and I both agree “Christians” need to start acting like we say we are….better yet how the Bible describes “Christians” should be–Continually Filled by the Holy Spirit to demonstrate who Jesus is to the world (Eph 6:15). Then who cares if they build their Mosque there, it just gives us more opportunity to find Muslims and bring healing to their bodies and salvation to their souls. If we start acting like we say we are!



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Troy

posted September 20, 2010 at 2:04 pm


Such rabid fear is completely unjustifiable.
“The Muslims ultimate goal, … is to take over the entire world.”
Muslims are not out to “conquer the world” any more than Christians, and there are similar demands in the Bible as the Quran as to what should be done with nonbelievers.
“I think all have forgotten what this great country was built on. One nation under GOD!… They came here to conquer this great nation”
This country wasn’t built on “One Nation Under God”, that wasn’t added until 1954, long after WE had conquered this great Nation.
Stop all this nonsensical fear mongering and crapping of pants.



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posted September 20, 2010 at 3:10 pm


Troy the “One Nation Under God” was added to the pledge of allegiance in 1954. The Country was still founded on Judeo-Christian principles.
Go ahead and bury your head in the sand and say it ain’t so…but please open a book and read the history of Islam. There is no “nonsensical fear mongering and crapping of pants”, just facts!



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Troy

posted September 20, 2010 at 3:32 pm


Nonsense! Complete nonsense. This country is not, and never was, a Christian nation. The Ten Commandments carry no legal weight, and several are downright unconstitutional! Wash your underwear and chill out.



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actionbuzz

posted September 20, 2010 at 3:55 pm


Rather than fight over whether or not a mosque (or any building that the majority feels is right to be built on a piece of ground that man has decided to be called “hallow ground”) should be built let us who name the name of Christ and all ourselves Christian focus on building relationships with each other; focus on being salt and light that God has called us to be and reach out all nonbelievers and others who do not have a relationship with Jesus Christ and are not following Him (and that includes those who say they are Christian but are really anti-Christ because they don’t follow His way and obey His commands). Love conques all evil and Jesus set the perfect example of what true agape love is. Let’s follow His example .. love the Muslims, Buddists and everyone as we have been commanded. Stop tearing people down with the hateful nasty things we are saying, and please don’t tell others that God is pleased with that kind of behavior.



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Pastor David Lovejoy

posted September 20, 2010 at 3:55 pm


I do not believe that a mosque should be allowed to be built at the sight of ground zero. Those who hijacked the planes that fateful day did so in the name of Allah. Placing a mosque there is like placing a memorial to their mission on 9/11. A sign of their victory in the destruction of the WTC, and many American lives; both of those who lost their lives that day, and those who have survived and still live with the nightmares from 9/11.
Do not get me wrong here, some sort of “Religious” building would be a good idea for the sight of the attacks, but we must account for the victims, and their friends and families. Their faiths were not all the same. To build something for one faith and not the other would be wrong, they should all be represented, like in hospitals, and military bases, with an Interfaith Chapel.
As for those pastors and others who have and still may want to publicly burn the Koran, Shame on you! You are acting no different then the radicals who hijacked the planes and crashed them into the pentagon building, and WTC! Jesus taught us to love our enemies, and pray for those who persecute us! Not to attack their beliefs, and insite anger among them. Jesus won souls, as did the apostles, through compassion, not condemnation!



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Two-Faced

posted September 20, 2010 at 4:17 pm


“Jesus taught us to love our enemies, and pray for those who persecute us! Not to attack their beliefs, and insite anger among them.”
No, they shouldn’t be allowed to build a community center there in accordance with law because a few crazy zealots who claimed religious motive crashed planes two blocks away!



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Mrs. Choon

posted September 20, 2010 at 4:58 pm


What is needed is a non-profit Community Center for all ethnic groups who are concerned about personal development.
I am suggesting that the non-profit center hold workshops and trainings for all age groups who are interested in improving themselves and positioning themselves to be useful citizens of this great country!
What better place to have classroom-style conference rooms of all sizes to accommodate small(20) to large groups(50-100) including a BIG banquet room to host Breakfasts, Lunches and Dinners for up to 1,000 people to host Speech Contests, Conferences, Seminars, Workshops, etc…for self-development.
Non-profit is the way to go that is non-denominational and allows for all ethnics groups to practice and cultivate personal development for the betterment of humankind and world peace! If you refer to the Toastmasters International web site above, you will learn that the Mission of Toastmasters International is to helps men and women learn the art of speaking, listening, and thinking – vital skills that promote self-actualization, enhance leadersip potential, foster human understanding, and contribute to the betterment of humankind.



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Indian Christian

posted September 20, 2010 at 5:51 pm


Agree with Actionbuzz. This is a unique opportunity for us as Christians and fellow Americans. We have to rise above 9/11. We can rise above the twin towers and show the world how to glorify our Christ and our Abba Father through forgiveness and and love.



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letitsnow1

posted September 20, 2010 at 10:39 pm


sure, let them build their mosque, after all it’s for everyone, right? you know you got to know who you can trust or not, and who you can believe or not…………it will not only be a community center and a place of worship, come on, you would really believe that?



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p hughes

posted September 21, 2010 at 12:23 am


eing Canadian, I have no axe to grind in this debate, but it seems to me that if Ground Zero truly is sacred ground then, it should be preserved as a memorial park of some kind. I am assuming that the owners of WTT got paid out by insurance companies for their loss.
But the other thing I want to say is that many countries have been bombed and afflicted by terrorist actions. My own parents were bombed repeatedly in WWII and Europe suffered terroism for decades. They did not dwell on it and allow themselves to be fearful and emotional for years to come. Now would be a good time to get on with life, including allowing a run down area of New York to be revitalized by whoever wants to develop it into something useful. Not being cowed is the real victory against terrorism.



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Jenny

posted September 21, 2010 at 9:00 am


So many of the bleeding heart liberals out there keep trying to put a square peg in a round hole. The Islamic Muslims hate us, they despise us for our weakness, they laugh at us, they make a mockery of our constitution and use it against us. Wake up!! They do not want to adapt our way of thinking and living their lives and that is fine, just stay over where you came from. This is America, love it or leave it! If you are offended by our Christian principles, thats your perogative but go and complain about it in your own country. Don’t come here and spread your hatred. Any Muslim that practices Islam is not our friend and when are you liberals going to wake up to that fact. No wonder our country is going down hill. What used to make our country great has all but slipped away. Our faith in God, our quick decisive retaliation against our enemies in war, our immigration laws, I could go on and on. We need to go back to our World War II way of life. That was the last time Americans could hold their heads high and be really proud of their country. Our government administration has their own selfish agenda and there isn’t anyone looking out for the interests of the people. OK, time to get off the soapbox, I love this country but I fear for it. What have our politicians done? They’ve ruined our wonderful country!!



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Lance Lawshe

posted September 21, 2010 at 10:20 am


God is the only one who can really declare sacred ground. We need to stop playing the part of God and let him do what he sees fit. He’s gonna do it anyway.



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Carol Anne Thomas

posted September 21, 2010 at 12:02 pm


Let’s start here-Lance Lawshe, you have to live and walk your Christian faith if you have any, not sit on it. If you know anything about the Bible you would know many were killed because of their faith in Jesus Christ. Indian Christian forgiving good but the point of this building has nothing to do with that. P Hughes, can’t believe what you’re saying, how much more of a blood bath on a site do you need to declare 911′s location “sacred ground”. These were people working, not fighting in a theatre of war and an enemy killed thousands of Americans in seconds and you don’t think this is an affront, an insult, a mockery by these enemies to put a symbol of their sick culture on this site?! By building a mosque on this site according to their law & customs, this structure would be a symbol of victory over an enemy and a battle won. NOT!!! This is their point, not to help the neighborhood improve. I’ve heard some dumb ones but this takes the cake!



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Your Name

posted September 21, 2010 at 12:32 pm


Toujoursdan-reread your bible, Christian. We are not to welcome people into our country as our next door neighbors who want to cut off our childrens heads if they are believers in Christ Jesus. That is what their book says to do if people don’t convert to their beliefs. They slaughtered innocent people of all faiths at this site not just Americans. Where are your brains, don’t try to puff yourself up as some super-christian because your have no common sense by making the massive critcal statement regarding those who lost their loved ones and friend on 911. You are insensitive not them. These people are not trying to be your friend, duhhhhhhhh.



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Your Name

posted September 21, 2010 at 1:45 pm


Re: lovelystill
Well I care who died their on 9/11 and what happened and why? To say or state otherwise is a complete disgrace of a human being and thuse further enables that belief system of murdering people and the like.
So I do not believe in sitting by and watch the Hitler type, kill the people and to not care of the reason why or the insane belief system of such…
as for the Re Masturbation comment…:
Your proof is in your character of who you are by your lack of commitment to the human soul in your blog….. So, like any type of sexual comment it is not the only the physical being we are dealing with, and why do you think that women and men get so screwed up when handling their sexual appetite in the wrong fashion? Because it is more then a body that you are connecting with, it is the soul and spirit of the other being.
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Your Name

posted September 21, 2010 at 1:49 pm


And as for bridge building..:
Yes, we can be sensative to others in trying to build bridges, but there are some bridges that are definely not supposed to be built and some hands not to be shaken with, and some to not reconcile with… you let them go into their pit of dispair and darkness, and thought processes… to go about in their twisted distruction…..To get what the reap…. For they sowed a whole lot of other things besides love and compassion, now didn’t they…?
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Troy

posted September 21, 2010 at 2:21 pm


I sure wouldn’t try to build a bridge to Christians in this country if they are represented by the blind fear and hatred regurgitated on this blog. I’d build a mosque with a moat, and firing ports cut into the outer walls!



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Your Name

posted September 21, 2010 at 5:21 pm


No fear regurgitated here, other then people who wish to destroy relationships including bringing people along to try and wreck a marriage or say things to confirm the notion of the continual love of money which is evil… and not to mention the people that were supposed to love you and showed up to stab you in the back… no fear here thank you very much, just a clear dose of the hypocricy which enables people to destroy families and to try and take time away from the love of a mother with her children… Let alone the drinking epademic which can completely destroy people…. So you can take your whatever and shove it…. I remember a church I grew up in and it was special, the people in it were conservative, they certainly were not jealous gossiping culprits who wish to condemn and sabotage the love of a mother with her children…
I find the whole out appearance thing that is so apparent in today’s world to be repulsive in nature in regards to , you certainly didn’t show up to support me now didn’t you… Just a banner of darkness that you waved ove a person trying to heal from the past abusive family problems brought on by someone other then her… So you can take you drinking parents back to AA.
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Your Name

posted September 21, 2010 at 5:22 pm


And that was certainly a confirmation of your family now was it not… cc



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Jill

posted September 21, 2010 at 8:52 pm


I’ve prayed about this for so long.. and truly believe that God is trying to warn us to be very careful. What we are up against in New York is vastly different than the buildings of mosques previously elsewhere in America.
Muslim historians, as well as peaceful Muslim leaders worldwide, are in solid agreement that this is an obvious attempt at conquest. For those who doubt this, what do you say of the other countries who have already sadly met this fate ? Do you honestly believe that the Imam will invite people of all faiths to join him in his proposed grandiose mosque ? In the city where I live, a mosque is quietly under construction. There have been no protests in the form of divided demonstrations. Muslims here are peaceful, and not working within a hidden framework or agenda. As far as we know here, Imam Rauf is not overseeing the project, lol. No one has died that I know of within the area in which the mosque is being built, at least not tragically, nor involving thousands of innocent lives, as was the case in New York. It’s really not entirely about the Muslim faith per se, more of the final outcome, as those who are extremists are counting on division, and subsequent collateral damages between Americans, to glorify themselves and their own not so peaceful agenda.
The answer is peaceful and faithful intervention.. this is our saving grace. It’s up to us to protect our own country as Christians, and as peaceful people of other faiths. We should pray for our country, do what we personally can, both individually and collectively, without fear, and trust foremost in God’s intervention as well.



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LaMoyne

posted September 22, 2010 at 12:11 am


Muslims have come here not to become decent citizens, but instead to use our Constitutional freedoms against us and to destroy the American way of life. A Democrat with Muslim background has already taken over our White House. How long is it going to be before voters and those in leadership positions wake up and smell the coffee? Muslims have scattered themselves across this country like a cancer all the while pretending to be good neighbors. Americans have become so gullible that I’m convinced that they can be taken in by these wolves in sheep’s clothing. When the Muslims get an oppressive grip on us like Adolf Hitler did in Germany, it will be too late. Just look at what has been happening and see that we are not far from it.



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Anti-Hysteria Man

posted September 22, 2010 at 1:55 am


Statements such as:
“Muslims have scattered themselves across this country like a cancer all the while pretending to be good neighbors.”
and,
“Muslims have scattered themselves across this country like a cancer all the while pretending to be good neighbors.”
require a brief response from Anti-Hysteria Man.
Get a grip, and defend the Constitution. That’s all.



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American

posted September 22, 2010 at 1:21 pm


Read this link and see what we should do, and everyone should pray for Troy. He evedently is a Muslim and a lost soul.



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Troy

posted September 22, 2010 at 1:54 pm


The U.S. Constitution has no use for the Bible at all, nor does it require one iota of support for Christianity. It would be a strange founding/governing document indeed, for a “Christian Nation”.



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lovelystill

posted September 22, 2010 at 2:02 pm


September 7, 2010
Building on Faith
by F.A.Rauf
“From the political conflicts between Israelis and Palestinians to the
building of a community center in Lower Manhattan, Muslims and members
of all faiths must work together if we are ever going to succeed in
fostering understanding and peace.
At Cordoba House, we envision shared space for community activities,
like a swimming pool, classrooms and a play space for children. There
will be separate prayer spaces for Muslims, Christians, Jews and men
and women of other faiths.”
1977
F.A.Rauf
“In a true peace, Israel will, in our lifetime, become one more Arab
country, with a Jewish minority.”
(There are 75,4% Jews in Israel)



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Your Name

posted September 22, 2010 at 2:21 pm


Re: Troy
A strange Christian document indeed?
to what?
A person is entitled to bring their religion into the voting booth and their belief system to the table of debate… Whether that particular agenda is a valid idea to vote for on any given subject, well then that would be that….
As for bringing up Christianity like it is a disgrace of sorts… well.. a killing documented religion would be a disgrace know wouldn’t it… Esp. one which dictates to others to kill based on the belief that they do not believe in their God as God… So, as far as Christianity is conscerned, there is still the law of love, which would still enfacit the belief system of Thou Shalt Not Kill…. So, let us leave it at that…. Sounds good to me…. A loving God, who does not control and tell others to go bomb innocent people around the world or otherwise based on the fact that they do not except him….
So if there would be a bias in me , it would be to pick love instead of killing… you think that would be good….. folks… whatever type of religion you are…… Now for those who violate this love policy and cold blooded kill others in the name of religion, you reap what you sew….cc



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Your Name

posted September 22, 2010 at 2:28 pm


Ow look the control freaks are out… you know where you can go, when you go behind my back to try and control everything..
There will never peace on earth as we know it or a peaceful intervention…
And another thing… stop trying to tell people who I love when they can talk to me and then push them away like they are not my friends… They came for me, remember to support me, not for you to control in some business adventure of your own, trying every step of the way to get things for yourself… I get it… Yes, hypocricy there is in the Christian church, take the mask off and show who you really are, instead trying to pretend for your own personal gain…
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Your Name

posted September 22, 2010 at 2:29 pm


never be….



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Luke

posted September 22, 2010 at 2:33 pm


“Yes, hypocricy there is in the Christian church”
You said it master Yoda!



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Your Name

posted September 22, 2010 at 2:35 pm


Study peace in your New Testament and you will get an entirely different definition of the peace that you know….. Christ’s peace is different…. it pits mother against daughter , or daughter in law… go look it up in the back of the book under the dictionary system….. and you will find that it is not a united bridge of sorts… in fact it is the opposite….cc



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Dale W.

posted September 22, 2010 at 7:25 pm


What I still do not understand, is that when there’s money involved the white man will tread on whoever he wants too. Think about all the burial grounds that were so sacred to the American Indians, and they have built dams to flood them, built factories and even cities on top of some of the most sacred places, the American Indians had, build the mosque, when you’re dead your dead.



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Your Name

posted September 24, 2010 at 12:34 pm


“Christ’s peace is different…. it pits mother against daughter , or daughter in law…”
It pits people against people. So true.



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Your Name

posted September 24, 2010 at 4:08 pm


Should I say that Christ came not to give peace is what I meant….
And another thing to mention is that his peace his far different from the peace of this world….
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Your Name

posted September 24, 2010 at 4:13 pm


You wouldn’t have to go behind my back and chit chat about slanderous activities, or try and convince people that I am not worthy of something or that you are trying to help me…. , when you have tried to go against me and are jealous of me….
For when somebody is truthful, they would just call you up on the phone and say let’s go have coffee and try and work this out, they certainly would not be trying to take away the jobs from me… or try and go against me getting a job to pay my bills and get a house…, not would they…c
p.s. as for the people that showed up expecting something in return, when I have already given so much of my time and energy, acting like that did not amount to anything…, well you take for yourself now, don’t you..
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Mr. Incredible, in Jesus' Name

posted September 24, 2010 at 4:17 pm


Jesus said that He came to bring division [Luke 12:51]. He rightly divided the Word of Truth [2 Tim 2:15] we recognize today.



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Mr. Incredible, in the Name of Jesus -- the Light of the world!

posted September 24, 2010 at 5:32 pm


toujoursdan says:
What you fail to understand is that Muslims are Americans.
Mr. Incredible says:
Jeffrey Dahmer was an American, too. So what?
toujoursdan says:
300 Muslims also died in the World Trade Center along with other Americans and foreigners that day.
Mr. Incredible asks:
So, does that mean that we give a free pass to ALL Muslims so that we don’t appear to be insensitive?
toujoursdan says:
Hundreds of Muslims were among the first responders to the tragedy as fire fighters, paramedics, EMTs, police and concerned civilians who helped those in need.
Mr. Incredible says:
And, yet, hundreds of millions of Muslims wish to see Americans dead. Should we be sensitive to that?
toujoursdan says:
Some paid with their lives when the buildings collapsed.
Mr. Incredible says:
Many paid with their lives in attacking America and Americans. Your point?
toujoursdan says:
Even more Muslims were the doctors, nurses, orderlies, hospital administration, therapists and other caretakers whose efforts helped heal those injured in the tragedy.
Mr. Incredible asks:
How many homicide bombers were educated professionals?
toujoursdan says:
… there are an estimated 3,000-4,000 Muslims fighting FOR America in Iraq and Afghanistan; doing counter-terrorism measures and Arabic translation and radio and TV broadcasting to win over hearts and minds to our way of life and values.
Mr. Incredible asks:
How many of them are waiting for the right time to kill Americans? Which Muslim will be sitting next to your mother on the bus, just waiting for the right time to set off the bomb?
toujoursdan asks:
What does one say to these people?
Mr. Incredible says:
“Good job!”
toujoursdan asks:
They still aren’t “real” Americans whose sensitivities also matter?
Mr. Incredible says:
I’m White. Maybe, if I walk through a bad neighborhood, I won’t get attacked. Maybe I will. For safety’s sake, I don’t go through that neighborhood. I err on the side of safety. I consider the off chance that I may be attacked.
We have seen and heard the celebrations of Muslims when Americans are killed. Suspicion is the name of the game, given the objective facts. Trust, but verify. Verification, in this case, is difficult, if not impossible.
toujoursdan says:
Religious freedom doesn’t mean much of a minority religious group is bullied into acting differently than the rest of us.
Mr. Incredible asks:
“Bullied” by whom?
toujoursdan says:
This is a center built by Americans for Americans.
Mr. Incredible says:
It can be built elsewhere. Not on Ground Zero.
toujoursdan says:
It will be open to people of all faiths who want to go for a swim, or take a cooking class, or listen to a lecture, or check out a book or meditate quietly.
Mr. Incredible says:
They can just as easily go elsewhere, wherever it’s built.
toujoursdan says:
Some, perhaps the majority of those Americans will happen to be Muslim, but they are as American as the rest of us.
Mr. Incredible says:
Terrorists will use anything and everything to kill Americans. As we have seen, they will try to be like us. Get our confidence. Get our friendship. Let our guard down. Then… BAM!
toujoursdan says:
This evil “us vs. them” tribalism in this debate has no place in a civilized, democratic country.
Mr. Incredible says:
You make their point.
toujoursdan says:
There is no “them” in this case.
Mr. Incredible says:
You can’t see “them,” but they’re there… waiting. Your mother may be the next one to be killed. What then? Tell her to her face that you believe she must take the chance. I’d buy a ticket to see the look on her face when you tell her that you believe she must take the chance.
toujoursdan says:
There is only “us”.
Mr. Incredible says:
Terrorists, in number, are among “us.”
toujoursdan says:
This is something we should be celebrating, not condemning.
Mr. Incredible says:

VALUE JUDGMENT ALERT! VALUE JUDGMENT ALERT! VALUE JUDGMENT ALERT!

toujoursdan says:
And as a Christian I am so ashamed of this country.
Mr. Incredible says:
Things’re tuff all over.

JESUS IS LORD ! THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD OVER THE HILLS AND THROUGH THE VALLEYS!



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God is a Pretend Thing

posted September 25, 2010 at 12:10 pm


“toujoursdan says: And as a Christian I am so ashamed of this country.
Mr. Incredible says: Things’re tuff all over.”
No need to be ashamed of the whole country, it’s only the crazy hate and fear pushers like Mr. Imagination we need be ashamed of.



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Jeanne Hipp

posted September 25, 2010 at 2:20 pm


Yes, there were Muslims who were killed, both in the buildings and as first-responders. All that proves is that those Muslims (I won’t say “extremists” because they are just following the Koran in the spirit of Sharia law in doing what they did. The exceptions, the “peace-loving” Muslims, of whom there are many, rightfully said, are the ones who do NOT take the Koran at its word, not the other way around) who perpetrated the attacks of 9-11 and MANY others since – don’t respect human life – even those of their own people – we’ve seen this time and again in their world. One of their own have declared the difference between them and those of US culture: “The US values LIFE; we value DEATH.” ‘Nuf said.



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Ceci Warren

posted September 25, 2010 at 3:04 pm


The Lord is a man of war.
Bible, Exodus
Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. (at the Nuremberg Trials, shortly before being sentenced to death)
Hermann Goering
Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.
Isaac Asimov
When people speak to you about a preventive war, you tell them to go and fight it. After my experience, I have come to hate war. War settles nothing.
Dwight D. Eisenhower
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed.
Dwight D. Eisenhower
What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty and democracy?
Gandhi



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Mr. Incredible, in Jesus' Name

posted September 25, 2010 at 4:50 pm


Ceci Warren says:
The Lord is a man of war.
Bible, Exodus
Mr. Incredible says:
Of course, you don’t give us the whole story.
2 Corinthians 10:14
Ephesians 6:12
Ecclesiastes 3:8
Ceci Warren says:
Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. (at the Nuremberg Trials, shortly before being sentenced to death)
Hermann Goering
Mr. Incredible says:
So, you agree with a Nazi. Ooooooookay.
Ceci Warren says:
Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.
Isaac Asimov
Mr. Incredible says:
Tell your mother, or wife, or daughter, that, if they are attacked, you will just stand there and try to talk the assailant outta attacking. I’d buy a ticket to see the look on their faces when you tell them that.
Ceci Warren says:
When people speak to you about a preventive war, you tell them to go and fight it. After my experience, I have come to hate war. War settles nothing.
Dwight D. Eisenhower
Mr. Incredible says:
Everybody hates war. Nevertheless, defense is necessary against an attack, and you best be ready when that time comes.
Ceci Warren says:
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed.
Dwight D. Eisenhower
Mr. Incredible says:
Still, a country has the Right to defend itself.
Ceci Warren says:
What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty and democracy?
Gandhi
Mr. Incredible says:
To the dead, it makes no difference. They’re dead.
To orphans and the homeless, they should be informed enough to know the difference. That they may not shouldn’t hinder us from protecting them.

JESUS IS LORD ! THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD OVER THE HILLS AND THROUGH THE VALLEYS !



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Mr. Incredible, in the Name of Jesus, the Cornerstone!

posted September 25, 2010 at 4:57 pm


toujoursdan says:
And as a Christian I am so ashamed of this country.
Mr. Incredible says:
Things’re tuff all over.
God is a Pretend Thing — though He isn’t — says:
No need to be ashamed of the whole country…
Mr. Incredible says:
Well, he says he’s ashamed of this country. That means the whole country. You disagree with him about what he means. Let us know when you sort that out.
God is a Pretend Thing — though He isn’t — says:
… it’s only the crazy hate and fear pushers like Mr. Imagination…
Mr. Incredible asks:
Where’s the “crazy hate and fear” we’ve pushed? Where we pushed them?
God is a Pretend Thing — though He isn’t — says:
…we need be ashamed of.
Mr. Incredible says:
Romans 8:1 [KJV]



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Your Name

posted September 26, 2010 at 4:07 pm


God Bless….
What you didn’t think that I deserved it because why..?
Because I told the truth…
It reminds me of that line from that movie…
” You can’t handle the truth”
Some people prefer to spread lies and slander I suppose, eventually it comes back to haunt them….C



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Mr. Incredible, in the Name of Jesus Who is the same yesterday, today and for ever!

posted September 30, 2010 at 2:52 pm


Muslims just a friendly bunch? Well, how ’bout this one:
http://www.tangle.com/view_video?viewkey=0861ff3eabea1ceb73e4



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Your Name

posted October 1, 2010 at 4:46 pm


How about forgiveness and peace on earth….. not as the world gives peace…. And don’t reconcile with a snake…c



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God is for Weak-Minded, Sexually Frustrated People

posted October 4, 2010 at 5:30 pm


Christianity is a VERY friendly religion; ANOTHER sexually abusive pastor was outed last week.



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peggy minnesota

posted October 6, 2010 at 12:39 am


dear aclj
i thank god everyday for you guys and for the fight for our rights and freedoms for all americans. tonight you have a show on right now and i joined the committee but i am hoping for a conservative strong minded woman for our next president to let this imam know we are not a muslim nation we are a free christian nation and what better way to send a message that the american women are not going down the shiria law road!!! to the imam i say this. there ain’t nothing better than an american woman being told what she can think or not think the imam is gonna find himself in a corner crying for his mama if he even tries to bring his evil shiria laws here to america just keep trying to tick us american women off imam and no you can not build your mosque on sacred ground in jesus name i pray



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peggy minnesota

posted October 6, 2010 at 12:50 am


to the person saying that god is for weak-minded, sexually frustrated people:
you know what? i geuss you wouldn’t mind reciting this little prayer then, repeat after me, and say jesus forgive me of my sins wash me cleanse me from all unrighteousness in jesus name i ask this!! so if there is no god according to you then these words won’t effect you in any way right!! god bless you and jesus forgive him, for he knows not what he does



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In the Name of Jesus, Mr. Incredible says

posted October 6, 2010 at 2:27 am


peggy minnesota is terrrrrriffic!!

JESUS IS LORD ! THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD OVER THE HILLS AND THROUGH THE VALLEYS, TROUNCING GIANTS !



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"THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK UNTO YOU, THEY ARE SPIRIT, AND THEY ARE LIFE." -- Jesus

posted October 6, 2010 at 2:30 am


The crimes of pastors and priests are men’s crimes, not crimes of Christianity.



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God is for Suckers

posted October 6, 2010 at 2:37 am


peggy minnesota, you choose to believe in an imaginary supernatural being which indicates a weak mind highly vulnerable to the power of suggestion; so I would hardly join you in prayer to such a fictional character, either for forgiveness or to deny others their Constitutional rights. Your prayers will go unanswered because prayer has been shown to have zero effect, and your cause is vile.



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JESUS IS LORD ! THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD OVER THE HILLS AND THROUGH THE VALLEYS, TROUNCING GIANTS

posted October 6, 2010 at 3:09 am


October 6, 2010 2:37 AM
God is for Suckers
Mr. Incredible says:
God is for everybody!
October 6, 2010 2:37 AM
peggy minnesota, you choose to believe…
Mr. Incredible says:
Deuteronomy 30:19
October 6, 2010 2:37 AM
…in an imaginary supernatural being…
Mr. Incredible says:
You think God is imaginary cuz you don’t have the God experience. With no experience in/of God, you’re in no position to know what you’re talking about. Therefore, you have no credibility.
October 6, 2010 2:37 AM
…which indicates a weak mind…
Mr. Incredible says:
By whose standard?
October 6, 2010 2:37 AM
…highly vulnerable to the power of suggestion…
Mr. Incredible says:
It is the Devil who suggests, and we don’t listen to him.
October 6, 2010 2:37 AM
…so I would hardly join you in prayer…
Mr. Incredible says:
WHEW! The Devil is sure glad to hear that!
October 6, 2010 2:37 AM
… to such a fictional character…
Mr. Incredible says:
Since you don’t have experience in and of God, is impossible for you to speak with any authority, nor credibility, on the subject of God.
October 6, 2010 2:37 AM
…either for forgiveness…
Mr. Incredible says:
Of course, you feel you don’t need forgiveness; and, so, you give yourself permission to say and do anything you want, no matter what. How convenient to be your own judge.
October 6, 2010 2:37 AM
… or to deny others their Constitutional rights.
Mr. Incredible says:
What constitutional Rights are being denied by God?
October 6, 2010 2:37 AM
Your prayers will go unanswered…
Mr. Incredible says:
The Devil says that, too. But so what? You and he are like ducks — quack, quack, quack!
October 6, 2010 2:37 AM
… because prayer has been shown to have zero effect…
Mr. Incredible asks:
Shown by whom?
We have the experience that you don’t have. Therefore, we can speak with authority and credibility to the fact that prayer works. It doesn’t work for those who turn their backs on God.
October 6, 2010 2:37 AM
… and your cause is vile.
Mr. Incredible says:
The Devil says that, too, but so what? He’s just a duck — quack, quack, quack! — just like you.

JESUS CHRIST — THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE — THE ONLY WAY TO THE FATHER !



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JESUS IS LORD ! THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD OVER THE HILLS AND THROUGH THE VALLEYS, TROUNCING GIANTS

posted October 6, 2010 at 3:09 am


October 6, 2010 2:37 AM
God is for Suckers
Mr. Incredible says:
God is for everybody!
October 6, 2010 2:37 AM
peggy minnesota, you choose to believe…
Mr. Incredible says:
Deuteronomy 30:19
October 6, 2010 2:37 AM
…in an imaginary supernatural being…
Mr. Incredible says:
You think God is imaginary cuz you don’t have the God experience. With no experience in/of God, you’re in no position to know what you’re talking about. Therefore, you have no credibility.
October 6, 2010 2:37 AM
…which indicates a weak mind…
Mr. Incredible says:
By whose standard?
October 6, 2010 2:37 AM
…highly vulnerable to the power of suggestion…
Mr. Incredible says:
It is the Devil who suggests, and we don’t listen to him.
October 6, 2010 2:37 AM
…so I would hardly join you in prayer…
Mr. Incredible says:
WHEW! The Devil is sure glad to hear that!
October 6, 2010 2:37 AM
… to such a fictional character…
Mr. Incredible says:
Since you don’t have experience in and of God, is impossible for you to speak with any authority, nor credibility, on the subject of God.
October 6, 2010 2:37 AM
…either for forgiveness…
Mr. Incredible says:
Of course, you feel you don’t need forgiveness; and, so, you give yourself permission to say and do anything you want, no matter what. How convenient to be your own judge.
October 6, 2010 2:37 AM
… or to deny others their Constitutional rights.
Mr. Incredible says:
What constitutional Rights are being denied by God?
October 6, 2010 2:37 AM
Your prayers will go unanswered…
Mr. Incredible says:
The Devil says that, too. But so what? You and he are like ducks — quack, quack, quack!
October 6, 2010 2:37 AM
… because prayer has been shown to have zero effect…
Mr. Incredible asks:
Shown by whom?
We have the experience that you don’t have. Therefore, we can speak with authority and credibility to the fact that prayer works. It doesn’t work for those who turn their backs on God.
October 6, 2010 2:37 AM
… and your cause is vile.
Mr. Incredible says:
The Devil says that, too, but so what? He’s just a duck — quack, quack, quack! — just like you.

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