Lynn v. Sekulow

Lynn v. Sekulow


A Question of Location, Not Tolerance

posted by Jay Sekulow

Barry,

 

The fact is that a growing number of Americans – now 71% according to the latest CBS News poll - simply don’t believe the Ground Zero site is an appropriate site for the mosque.  I hope you’re not suggesting that nearly three-out-of-four Americans are intolerant because they don’t want a mosque built on that site?

 

No matter how you try, this isn’t about religious discrimination or intolerance.  This is about constructing a mosque on the very spot where the landing gear of one of the hijacked planes crashed into the building on this site.  Certainly you can understand the feelings of the families and victims of 9-11 – including our client – NYC firefighter and first responder Tim Brown – who survived the attack but lost nearly 100 colleagues that day.  For them, the pain never ends.  They consider this site hallowed ground and, like most Americans, don’t believe this is the place to build a mosque.  To them, it’s insensitive.  To them, it should be a memorial – not a mosque.  It really is as simple as that.

And it’s not just the families and friends of 9-11 victims who oppose the location.  The opposition crosses the political spectrum.  One of the nation’s most liberal Democrats, Howard Dean, says the site should not house a mosque.  Calling the project “a real affront to people who lost their lives,” Dean says the site “belongs to all Americans and all faiths.”    And, a growing number of Muslims don’t think it’s a good idea either – including a former Pakistani Ambassador to Britain who says building a mosque there is “like rubbing salt in open wounds.”  

 

By the way, we will be amending our legal challenge in the weeks ahead adding additional parties and causes of action.  Important information was not previously disclosed about the ownership of the site.  It turns out that a public utility, Con Edison, actually owns one-half of the site.  We will argue that the mosque developers do not possess the legal right to proceed with demolition or construction.  In addition to urging the court to put any demolition/construction on hold, we’ll request that the New York State Public Service Commission, which has regulatory authority of any disposition of land owned by a public utility, conduct a required review detailing the impact of this project.  

 

As we learn more about the project, we also learn more about Imam Rauf – the man behind the proposed mosque – a man who touts himself as a bridge builder.

 

This is the Imam who’s on a taxpayer funded goodwill trip about Islam to the Middle East.  By the way, it appears the federal government has been using millions in taxpayer funds for some time to fund restoration of mosques and minarets in dozens of nations around the globe.  A little reported story that I thought you might be interested in, Barry. 

 

Let’s not forget that it was Imam Rauf who told 60 minutes days after the 9-11 attacks that that U.S. was “an accessory to the crimes” that occurred that day.  This is the same Imam who has refused to label Hamas a terrorist organization.  Hamas, by the way, wasted no time in backing Imam Rauf’s plans for the Ground Zero mosque. 

 

This is the same Imam who said “that the United States has more Muslim blood on its hands than al Qaeda has on its hands of innocent non-Muslims” – alleging that US-led sanctions against Iraq led to the death of Iraqi children.  The facts don’t support that allegation.  President Clinton clearly stated: “If any child is without food or medicine or a roof over his or her head in Iraq, it’s because he [Saddam] is claiming sanctions are doing it and sticking it to his own children.”  And, it’s important to remember that al Qaeda actually targets the innocent – including children – with its acts of terrorism.  The comparison is absurd.

 

And where will the $100 million dollars come from to build this mosque?  Backers of the project haven’t ruled out taking money from countries like Iran which has been designated a sponsor of terrorism by the U.S. government. 

 

Barry, there’s still a lot of unanswered questions about all of this.  But, here’s a suggestion that would go a long way in promoting tolerance in this situation. 

 

Why not move the mosque?  Why don’t the mosque developers and Imam Rauf – who proclaims to be a bridge-builder – step forward with the ultimate bridge-building gesture?  Build the mosque somewhere else – not at Ground Zero – not at this site.

 

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NoToleranceForTerrorists

posted August 27, 2010 at 4:33 pm


As far as I’m concerned it’s always been about location!
It’s the crux of this whole issue. The muslims that want to establish this Mosque, disguised by a Muslim Community Center, intend it to serve as a 13 story reminder of why just two blocks away, 2000+ ghosts walk the earth in a crater radical psychotic Muslims created in the name of their intent to send the message that freedom is not safe from murderous intent.
They say there’s a Mosque near ground zero already. If so, why this new proposal? Stupid people make this a Constitutional issue when they claim opponents to the project, are violating freedom of religion for Muslims. 143 Mosques in NY prove how dense they are and how blinded by their own tongues lapping PC ass.
If Islam were a religion of peace, it’s not and the Koran itself proves this, the sponsors of this Mosque including the sell out American politicians that spit on the Greek Orthodox religion in the process of pandering to Muslims, would heed the demand of those they work for and build somewhere else. And then they’d approve the re-construction of the Greek Orthodox Church nearer Ground Zero, that the 9-11 attacks destroyed.
But we’re not talking about true Representatives of the people of America and NYC, or about peaceful Muslims. We’re talking about sell outs who are brought to their knees by Sharia law and financing. And radicals who intend to invade America at the grass roots level, after the dust cleared to herald their arrival September 11, 2001.
There’s a war coming to this country. What side will you be on? That of PC bullshit!? Or Freedom?
Allah is a Terrorist.
And his Prophet Muhammad was a murderer, a rapist, a pedophile and a thief.
How can a religion born from those two bastards claim it embraces peace!? When not even it’s God nor it’s Prophet, ever have.
The first amendment never said we have to tolerate a terrorist religion. Sell out politicians do.
If we accept that, we earn our destruction. And if you don’t believe that anthem is out there, listen to all those radical Imam’s freely spitting hate for America on her own streets right there in New York City!
FREEDOM of religion lets that to occur.
But tolerating it is quite another matter.



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Your Name

posted August 27, 2010 at 5:08 pm


Sorry if I mispelled Allah, don’t know the guy personally, no comment..!
Maybe he can come up with some excuse as to why his followers murder in his name thousands of people who they do not even know, or all of their beliefs or the fact that there were children present …Children are not of age to desipher exactly what they believe or do not believe…. about everything….so…CC



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Your Name

posted August 27, 2010 at 5:13 pm


Their religion stinks of hypocrasy, innocent killing in the name of Allah trying to pass of the innocent individual as an infidel when he or she might not even know what they believe right no in regards to their faith…. So these Jihad’s as they like to call them are exactly against their very own religion in the fact that these people are innocent… For when you cut short a person’s life who had not decided what they believe or have not been given the chance to change their mind about anything… They are innocent…., you Jihad activist, are not even giving people a chance for time to decide what and in whom they believe…… End of Story….! CC



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Your Name

posted August 27, 2010 at 5:16 pm


hypocrisy- The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or posess; falseness.
Sorry again for the misprint….
The people are innocent you are killing through your faith of Allah..CC



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kenneth

posted August 27, 2010 at 6:43 pm


How many blocks/miles of downtown New York must be turned into a “memorial” and for how many years? And why do none of the other routine, even tacky uses, in other words, the non-Muslim ones, seem to pose a problem to these protestors who “aren’t bigots”? If religious institutions are to be barred from places where massacres took place in their name, it seems to me there should be no Christian churches anywhere in the Western Hemisphere.



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Charles Thomas

posted August 27, 2010 at 7:49 pm


“I hope you’re not suggesting that nearly three-out-of-four Americans are intolerant because they don’t want a mosque built on that site?”
I hope Mr.Sekulow is not suggesting that religious liberty is dependent on popular opinion.
I wonder what Mr Sekulow thinks about people trying to shut down mosques in other parts of the country?
Sorry Jay,but you are wrong, and so are those who agree with you.
This is America,and people practice their religion by right,not by permission from the majority.
I don’t know about Mr Lynn,but MY answer to Jay’s question would be:yes,nearly three-out-of-four Americans are intolerant.They say they don’t object to a the right of Muslims to worship,they just want to dictate WHERE they can,because they think Islam and it’s adherents share at least part of the blame for 911.
If the opponents think an inanimate building near Ground Zero is a desecration of sacred ground,then how much more so is the presence of a real,living practitioner of Islam?
Why not just erect a wall around Ground Zero,and bar any Muslim from entering?
Might as well,considering the logic of such arguments.



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ds0490

posted August 27, 2010 at 7:59 pm


What I have yet to hear from any of these nutjobs calling for the Park51 project to relocate is a clear cut definition of how close is too close.
So, Mr. Sekulow, I ask you…do you have the integrity and convictions of your beliefs to tell us in plain, simple terms how far away from Ground Zero (the impact point) the Park51 project should build? If this is not about religious intolerance then you should be able to give us a simple answer to that question. Is it five blocks? Ten blocks? Twenty blocks?
I look forward to your answer.



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J Holliday

posted August 27, 2010 at 11:20 pm


To answer Charles Thomas. You sarcastically suggest building a wall around ground zero. You are aware that Muslims have closed entire cities to non-Muslims right? Mecca and Medina. If you are a non-Muslim then you are an infidel. And deserve to die. There is no gray area here. No matter what they may say for the sake of American media. For it is also written in their laws that lying to achieve a final outcome is permissible and encouraged. Muslims are a very symbolic people. And a Mosque anywhere near ground zero will be considered a symbol of conquest over the U.S. As demonstrated in their own history. This cannot be allowed. They don’t even own all the property they want to build on? As far as I’m concerned somewhere in the next zip code might be close enough. Certainly not any closer than with in sight or ear shot. Forever!



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Charles Thomas

posted August 28, 2010 at 1:13 am


“You are aware that Muslims have closed entire cities to non-Muslims right?”
I am aware that many countries in the Middle East severely restrict the civic and religious freedoms of those who aren’t Muslim.
Are you suggesting that America do the same to all Muslims?
“If you are a non-Muslim then you are an infidel.And deserve to die”
According to the fundamentalists of Islam,I’m sure.
But according to all the Abrahamic religions,the immoral and the godless deserve to die.Either in the hear and now,as dominionists and reconstructionists Christians believe,or like more mainstream believers who believe that when Jesus returns to establish a world theocracy,all unbelievers will have to convert or face spiritual and physical death.
Maybe we should prohibit the construction of fundamentalist churches as well.



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John Doe

posted August 28, 2010 at 3:01 am


Charles, I understand what you are saying, but remember this the spiritual and physical death you speak of will not be carried out by us…



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Mr. Incredible says

posted August 28, 2010 at 3:32 am


The construction of the Hamasque may now get public financing.
The imam of the Hamasque is off on his fourth trip to the Near East AT PUBLIC EXPENSE.
Where are the girly-boy screaming atheists?? What, nothing from Barry??
The Hamasque IS well within the Ground Zero radius; it was hit by the landing gear of one-a the aircraft. That makes it part of Ground Zero.



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Mr. Incredible says

posted August 28, 2010 at 3:39 am


Glenn Beck is being ridiculed and hounded for leading a rally today on the spot where Martin Luther King, Jr., made his “I Have a Dream” speech. King followers say that the site is pretty near being “holy” ground and that the time of the rally to coincide with the time of King’s speech is dang’d near “holy” time.
The critics say that the rally, on the spot and the day of the speech, is insensitive and offensive to the memory of Dr. King and his disciples. They want the rally to move.
Gee, where have I hoid DAT b’fo’?



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Mr. Incredible says

posted August 28, 2010 at 3:46 am


Nobody is saying that Muslims should not build their Hamasque. We’re saying that they should be sensitive enough and accommodating enough to their neighbors and build it somewhere else, just as Civil Rights leaders are telling Glenn Beck and his rally today to move somewhere else in honor of the Martin Luther King, Jr., “holy” site and time of King’s “I Have a Dream” speech and in respect of King followers’ sensitivities.
If the Hamasque people have First Amendment Rights to build there, on THAT spot, ignoring the sensitive nature of that spot, then there should be no problem with Glenn Beck’s rally on THAT spot.



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Mr. Incredible, in the Name of Jesus

posted August 28, 2010 at 3:56 am


JESUS IS LORD ! THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD !

Charles Thomas says:
I hope Mr.Sekulow is not suggesting that religious liberty is dependent on popular opinion.
Mr. Incredible says:
I hope you’re not forgetting that the Founders voted on the First Amendment and that it passed on a popular vote of the Founders. The First Amendment didn’t just appear out of thin air.



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Mr. Incredible says

posted August 28, 2010 at 6:57 am


If insensitivity, discourtesy, disrespect and offense, just to name a few, are in play regarding the rally, they are in play regarding the Hamasque.



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2sloe

posted August 28, 2010 at 2:09 pm


A quote from article by Daniel Greenfield/ at sultanknishblogspot.com about this mosque:
“The building they bought, had its value destroyed by their own attack on September 11. Now having bought the building at a loss, they intend to demolish it and turn it into a monument to the very ideology responsible for that massacre. As they have done before in Constantinople and Jerusalem. As they have done throughout the world. First they bomb. Now they occupy.”
This is a verifiable pattern of Islam.



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marmelade

posted August 28, 2010 at 4:35 pm


Mr. Incredible
Because of people of your ilk I am now grateful not to believe in mythical beings. Religion has always served as a tool for bigots over the ages, this is nothing new; however it has gotten much worse in the last few years. You and others like you are all crawling out from under a rock to throw us back to the dark ages.



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Catherine

posted August 28, 2010 at 5:49 pm


Simply put, Imam Rauf will Never step forward to build any type of peaceful relations or promote any sensitive gesture. By his actions, He has a very specific agenda that will only perpetuate angst and disunity right here in the United States of America.
The bottom line: Imam Rauf will not rest until he symbolically claims Ground Zero with his mosque, delivering his message to the world.
One question for Mr. Rauf: Would he ever advocate, think, or even dream of allowing a Christian Church to be erected in the Shia city of Najaf?!? Or would he simply admit that would be disrespectful to the muslim’s “holy” site? Then why would he press to build a mosque under similar conditions? Hundreds of persons died at Ground Zero.
Get a grip, and have a little respect Mr. Rauf. (btw–Barry, you are far worse than anyone b/c you falsely attach the word “Rev” to your name)



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Your Name

posted August 28, 2010 at 5:54 pm


I used to think that there were incredible people out there, but now I realize, well I don’t know… Actions are what make people incredible…
So just writing the Bible down in various forms, without actually becoming the hands and feet of Christ, you know what I mean… Is just what it is… I suppose writing down the scriptures is part of The hands of Christ on earth… The doers of the word need to be a bit more relavent…. Instead of the people who point a finger and act like the rest of the world…
As for religion… I am done with the arguing hypocrits or the church that does not think their own ….. stinks… You get my point… As for Christianity… Well were called to love… Remember… Love like God which is different then the rest of the world… It is unconditional…. so it is not based on, if you do this then I am going to love you… So some of the church leaders have some work to be done in that catagory, because I have found them to be truely conditional, not unconditional… Meaning, if you do this and that, then I will help you… So you do this and that and they turn and walk away only to get into their Mercedes or something like that…. so… You know what I think about that….. That is why the rest of the world doesn’t want any part of it., and they get angry when they see.. it… And when they see things to help the poor and the needy, which is great, but sometimes in some situations I think it is an act, when I see all these children still withering away. Wouldn’t you wrather store up for treasures in heaven where theives and moths can not destroy then store up treasures for yourself….. Remember that one…. I am certainly not stating these things to say that God does not want you to have nice things, because he does…. He loves you and wants you to have the very best… So enjoy, but don’t turn your back on the needy or turn away from somebody who needs shelter and food for their children… Love them,,, Remember….C



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Your Name

posted August 28, 2010 at 5:59 pm


And you the married one:
When you play three or four other ladies and wear a ring for them and act like they are your wife when all the while you did it with a couple of others, when they think that you got a divorce and your the only one…
Well, it is disgusting… to manipulate a women like that and then they have the joy of experiencing the other women that act like they have it all and you didn’t get the ring…. Well it is all called cheating and unfaithfulness..
So try and clean up your act and try not to be such a smuck to your wife…. That way there is no confusion when it comes down to what those rings mean on your fingers…C



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Your Name

posted August 28, 2010 at 6:01 pm


You mislead her…..C



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Charles Thomas

posted August 28, 2010 at 8:09 pm


“I hope you’re not forgetting that the Founders voted on the First Amendment and that it passed on a popular vote of the Founders.The First Amendment didn’t just appear out of thin air.”
I agree,but I’m not sure I get your point.
Just because the Founders voted to ratify the First Amendment does not mean that the right to religious liberty is derived from majority consent.
Granted,the majority may be deeply offended by an Islamic center near Groud Zero,and they have every right to pursuade the owners to build it elsewhere,but the ultimate decision is not thiers to make.
In America,people practice thier religion by right,not by permission from government or the majority.
The Constitution is on the side of those who want to build on that site,regardless of what most Americans think or feel to the contrary.
The primary purpose of government is to protect rights and liberties,not to restrict them to placate offended majorites.



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Gwyddion9

posted August 28, 2010 at 10:02 pm


I do not see an end of this conflict because both Christianity and Islam by their very natures are of conflict and create it.
Both claim to be the ‘one true’ religion. As such, there is no room for the other in the eyes of each. It’s unending.



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Mr. Incredible, in the Name of Jesus

posted August 29, 2010 at 6:03 am


marmelade says:
Mr. Incredible…
Mr. Incredible says:
Yes?
marmelade says:
Because of people of your ilk I am now grateful not to believe in mythical beings.
Mr. Incredible says:
I’m glad to have been some help in your not believing any more in what you call “mystical beings.” So, when did you turn from your “mystical beings” and toward God?
marmelade says:
Religion has always served as a tool for bigots over the ages…
Mr. Incredible says:
Then, it’s good that Christianity isn’t a “religion.”
marmelade says:
…, this is nothing new; however it has gotten much worse in the last few years.
Mr. Incredible says:
Or your perceptions have gotten worse over the years.
marmelade says:
You and others like you are all crawling out from under a rock to throw us back to the dark ages.
Mr. Incfredible says:
There y’go with goofball perceptions again. You gotta believe that so you can justify running from God, that’s all. We get it.
The fact is that God wants us in His Light, not in darkness. He, not the Devil, said, “Light be!”



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Catherine

posted August 29, 2010 at 12:07 pm


Christ did not come to this earth to establish a religion. Jesus shed His Blood to establish a personal relationship with all those who choose Him.



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Your Name

posted August 29, 2010 at 3:54 pm


The problem with practicing that particular religion, is that, that religion just so happens to promote killing people who do not follow that religion…, which makes it an entirely different matter, now does it not?
For that would be a murdering religion, which murders based on the fact that your not their religion… Which is against the Constitution and the rights of the people.
So therefor I do not feel it is a religion that the people are against in the building… but the very philosophies of the religion which killed all the thousands of innocent people there…
Therefor, that particular religion, I feel should not be given ground to practice on freedom land, because it does the very thing which takes freedom of liberty away, which is kill the people!!!!
End of story!!
p.s. If that religion wants to make a correction in their view about killing people who do not believe what they believe, then I would have written something entirely different…
CC



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ds0490

posted August 29, 2010 at 4:33 pm


Mr. Sekulow and Mr. Incredible, I trust you are taking some encouragement from recent news stories in Tennessee and California.
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/46449/20100826/mosque-islam-hate.htm
“An Islamic center in Madera, CA, was vandalized Tuesday with a sign that read, “No temple for the god of terrorism at Ground Zero.”
Another sign read, “Wake up America, the enemy is here.”
Both signs were signed by ANB, which stands for the American National Brotherhood, a group local authorities said they were not aware of.
It is the third attack on the center within a week, with another sign left last week and a brick thrown at a window at the center on Sunday.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/08/28/national/main6814690.shtml
“Federal officials are investigating a fire that started overnight at the site of a new Islamic center in a Nashville suburb.
Ben Goodwin of the Rutherford County Sheriff’s Department confirmed to CBS Affiliate WTVF that the fire, which burned construction equipment at the future site of the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro, is being ruled as arson.
Special Agent Andy Anderson of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives told CBS News that the fire destroyed one piece of construction equipment and damaged three others. Gas was poured over the equipment to start the fire, Anderson said.
The ATF, FBI and Rutherford County Sheriff’s Office are conducting a joint investigation into the fire, Anderson said. ”
People appear to be taking your messages seriously, folks. Congratulations. You must be proud.



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Mr. Incredible, in the Name of Jesus Who is the Light of the world

posted August 29, 2010 at 5:33 pm


JESUS IS LORD ! THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD !

ds0490 says:
Mr. Sekulow and Mr. Incredible, I trust you are taking some encouragement from recent news stories in Tennessee and California.
Mr. Incredible says:
Is that so? Well, you “trust” wrong.
ds0490 says:
,,,ww.ibtimes.com/articles/46449/20100826/mosque-islam-hate.htm
“An Islamic center in Madera, CA, was vandalized Tuesday with a sign that read, “No temple for the god of terrorism at Ground Zero.”
Mr. Incredible says:
“Vandalized” by a sign??
We “trust” that you think our posts are also vandalism, therefore.
ds0490 says:
Another sign read, “Wake up America, the enemy is here.”
Both signs were signed by ANB, which stands for the American National Brotherhood, a group local authorities said they were not aware of.
Mr. Incredible says:
So what?
ds0490 says:
It is the third attack on the center within a week, with another sign left last week and a brick thrown at a window at the center on Sunday.”
Mr. Incredible asks:
So, a sign is an “attack”??
How do you distinguish between signs that “attack” and those that are merely exercises of the First Amendment?
ds0490 says:
… ww.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/08/28/national/main6814690.shtml
“Federal officials are investigating a fire that started overnight at the site of a new Islamic center in a Nashville suburb.
Ben Goodwin of the Rutherford County Sheriff’s Department confirmed to CBS Affiliate WTVF that the fire, which burned construction equipment at the future site of the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro, is being ruled as arson.
Special Agent Andy Anderson of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives told CBS News that the fire destroyed one piece of construction equipment and damaged three others. Gas was poured over the equipment to start the fire, Anderson said.
The ATF, FBI and Rutherford County Sheriff’s Office are conducting a joint investigation into the fire, Anderson said. ”
People appear to be taking your messages seriously, folks.
Mr. Incredible says:
What messages of ours MAKE them start fires??
Since when can I MAKE anybody do something just by expressing a thought?? If I can, why don’t you do what I say, merely cuz I say it, like vote Conservative?? When we say, “Don’t run red lights!” why do people still run red lights??
Why isn’t it just as plausible that the messages in support of the Hamasque and Muslims are “making” people so angry that they will commit acts of violence??
ds0490 says:
Congratulations. You must be proud
Mr. Incredible asks:
“Proud” of what?



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Charles Thomas

posted August 29, 2010 at 5:39 pm


ds0490, social conservatives claim that popular culture has a profound effect on the way people think and behave,yet flippantly dismiss any correlation between the current political culture and the increase in hostility and violence toward minorities such as Muslims.
Of course,each person is responsible for how he or she responds to the cultural and political environment.But if all you hear day after day from politicians and preachers,is that Muslims are plotting to overthrow the existing order to establish an Islamic theocracy,then you can expect that some will react with hostility and violence.
The same would be true in a country where Judaism or Buddhism was the dominant religion, and everyone blamed all pentacostals or evangelicals for a crime committed by a few Christian fanatics.



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Mr. Incredible, in the Name of Jesus the Bread of life

posted August 29, 2010 at 5:40 pm


Your Name says:
The problem with practicing that particular religion, is that, that religion just so happens to promote killing people who do not follow that religion…, which makes it an entirely different matter, now does it not?
Mr. Incredible says:
It does.
Your Name says:
For that would be a murdering religion, which murders based on the fact that your not their religion… Which is against the Constitution and the rights of the people.
Mr. Incredible says:
Flawless.
Your Name says:
So therefor I do not feel it is a religion that the people are against in the building… but the very philosophies of the religion which killed all the thousands of innocent people there…
Mr. Incredible says:
Those philosophies would be alive and well in that building which is part of Ground Zero.
Your Name says:
Therefor, that particular religion, I feel should not be given ground to practice on freedom land, because it does the very thing which takes freedom of liberty away, which is kill the people!!!!
Mr. Incredible says:
Again, flawless.
Your Name says:
End of story!!
Mr. Incredible says:
Settled.
Your Name says:
p.s. If that religion wants to make a correction in their view about killing people who do not believe what they believe, then I would have written something entirely different…
Mr. Incredible says:
They won’t.

“THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK UNTO YOU, THEY ARE SPIRIT, AND THEY ARE LIFE.” — Jesus



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Mr. Incredible, in the Name of Jesus the Abundance of my heart

posted August 29, 2010 at 5:52 pm


JESUS IS LORD ! THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD OVER THE HILLS AND THROUGH THE VALLEYS!

Charles Thomas says:
… social conservatives claim that popular culture has a profound effect on the way people think and behave,yet flippantly dismiss any correlation between the current political culture and the increase in hostility and violence toward minorities such as Muslims.
Mr. Incredible says:
So, it’s not only behavior you want to control, it’s thought, too. We get it.
We could also say that the things you think and express lead people to get mad and do things that they shouldn’t.
Charles Thomas says:
Of course,each person is responsible for how he or she responds to the cultural and political environment.
Mr. Incredible says:
Gee, y’think?
Charles Thomas says:
But if all you hear day after day from politicians and preachers,is that Muslims are plotting to overthrow the existing order to establish an Islamic theocracy…
Mr. Incredible says:
And the imam of that Hamasque says he would like to establish sharia law in the United States.
Charles Thomas says:
… then you can expect that some will react with hostility and violence.
Mr. Incredible says:
So, people are robots who must listen to our commands, is that it?
If that’s so, why didn’t more people vote Republican in 2008?? After all, I told them to do so.
If it’s so, that the responsibility for somebody’s action is what somebody else says, how ’bout you’re taking responsibility for what YOU say?
So, you would like not only THEIR thoughts policed, but our expression policed, too. We get it.
Charles Thomas says:
The same would be true in a country where Judaism or Buddhism was the dominant religion, and everyone blamed all pentacostals or evangelicals for a crime committed by a few Christian fanatics
Mr. Incredible asks:
Who says that would happen?



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Mr. Incredible, in the Name of Jesus

posted August 29, 2010 at 6:07 pm


marmelade says:
You and others like you are all crawling out from under a rock…
Mr. Incredible says:
No, we stand ON the Rock!
marmelade says:
… to throw us back to the dark ages.
Mr. Incredible says:
The imam of that Hamasque says that the United States should be under sharia law, and you’re worried about us. That figures.

“THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK UNTO YOU, THEY ARE SPIRIT, AND THEY ARE LIFE.” — Jesus



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Charles Thomas

posted August 29, 2010 at 8:20 pm


“So,it’s not only behavior you want to control,it’s thought, too.We get it.
Who said anything about wanting to police your thoughts?
I didn’t.
I think you need to muzzle that straw man in your head because he’s telling you lies.
In objective reality(that vast, complex world that exists outside your own head)it’s social conservatives like you who want to control every aspect of religion and morality.
The Christain Right has a well-deserved reputation for wanting to regulate everything.
The side you’ve taken on this issue is evidence of that.
You want to dictate where people can construct houses of worship,not because it violates zoning laws,but because you don’t approve of Islam.
I find it amusing that social conservatives object so called hate-crime legislation,saying it criminalizes thought,yet they want to recriminalize homosexuality by outlawing what gays THINK and FEEL about the same sex.
Now they’re attempting to outlaw the expression of religious belief and practice at certain locations.
They want religious liberty for themselves,yet they seek to restrict it for others.
They don’t want anyone policing thought,yet they want to police sexual desire.
“So people are robots who must listen to our commands,is that it?”
Your entire worldview is based on obedience to authority,even when it conflicts with reason and fact,and even conscience.
So, to answer your question:No,people aren’t robots who must listen to your commands,though I suspect that you’d love to have that kind of power.



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Mr. Incredible, in the Name of Jesus

posted August 29, 2010 at 9:53 pm


JESUS IS LORD ! THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD OVER THE HILLS AND THROUGH THE VALLEYS!

Gwyddion9 says:
I do not see an end of this conflict because both Christianity and Islam by their very natures are of conflict and create it.
Mr. Incredible says:
Christianity, properly, according to the Word of God, does not war with flesh and blood, rather against spiritual powers and principalities.
Gwyddion9 says:
Both claim to be the ‘one true’ religion. As such, there is no room for the other in the eyes of each.
Mr. Incredible says:
So, you disagree with Christ Who says that He is the ONLY Way to the Father.
Gwyddion9 says:
It’s unending.
Mr. Incredible says:
God, through Christ, calls us to endure, and we will.



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Mr. Incredible, in Jesus' Name, the Name above all names

posted August 29, 2010 at 10:23 pm


Mr. Incredible says:
So,it’s not only behavior you want to control,it’s thought, too.We get it.
Charles Thomas says:
Who said anything about wanting to police your thoughts? I didn’t.
Mr. Incredible says:
YOU say that what we say inspires people to do violence.
Either you must police what we say, or police the thoughts of those who process what we say in such a way that they, in their minds, justify their actions. You blame us.
Charles Thomas says:
I think you need to muzzle that straw man in your head because he’s telling you lies.
Mr. Incredible says:
I’m going by what you wrote, and let YOU wrote inspires me to think what I think and, then, write. So, according to what you’ve written so far, you should be blaming yourself.
Charles Thomas says:
In objective reality(that vast, complex world that exists outside your own head)…
Mr. Incredible asks:
Which “reality,” and “objective,” according to whom? By whose standard is it “objective”?
Charles Thomas says:
… it’s social conservatives like you who want to control every aspect of religion and morality.
Mr. Incredible says:
That, of course, is another steamy dropping of a lie. God, through Christ, controls us, not we Them.
Charles Thomas says:
The Christain Right has a well-deserved…
Mr. Incredible asks:
According to whom?
Charles Thomas says:
…reputation for wanting to regulate everything.
Mr. Incredible says:
That’s a perception conjured up by people like you. You must think that in order to justify that perception with which you’ve grown comfortable.
Charles Thomas says:
The side you’ve taken on this issue is evidence of that.
Mr. Incredible says:
We’re just bringing up something that they and you people should’ve thought of first — that is, sensitivity, respect and courtesy, things Civil Rights leaders say Glenn Beck should’ve considered before you schedule that rally yesterday on what those leaders want us to believe is “holy” ground at a “holy” time.
Charles Thomas says:
You want to dictate where people can construct houses of worship…
Mr. Incredible says:
That’s what building permits are for. We would just like them to have some consideration for the meaning Ground Zero has to the victims and to the families of the victims, their still open wound. The Muslims and their supporters, like you people, aren’t considering sensitivity, respect and courtesy, and, so, we are. We understand that you people don’t like to be confronted with that. Too bad.
Charles Thomas says:
… not because it violates zoning laws,but because you don’t approve of Islam.
Mr. Incredible says:
If we didn’t approve of Islam, NO Hamasques would have been built in New York City. Yet, there are hundreds.
Charles Thomas says:
I find it amusing that social conservatives object so called hate-crime legislation,saying it criminalizes thought…
Mr. Incredible says:
It does. Hate is an operation of the mind. It’s not in objective reality, no matter whose reality, or objectivity.
Charles Thomas says:
… yet they want to recriminalize homosexuality by outlawing what gays THINK and FEEL about the same sex.
Mr. Incredible says:
No, we don’t. You people have made up that perception, and it seems real to you. It isn’t.
Charles Thomas says:
Now they’re attempting to outlaw the expression of religious belief and practice at certain locations.
Mr. Incredible says:
No, we aren’t. They can express “religious” belief and practice it as they walk along the street. Belief and practice are not restricted to buildings. God does not live in things made by men.
Charles Thomas says:
They want religious liberty for themselves,yet they seek to restrict it for others.
Mr. Incredible says:
Asking them to move that Hamasque restricts nobody’s “religious” liberty. They leave the impression that they wanna impose Islam on us by rejecting our claims of insensitivity, discourtesy and disrespect.
Charles Thomas says:
They don’t want anyone policing thought,yet they want to police sexual desire.
Mr. Incredible says:
You believe your own propaganda, huh.
Mr. Incredible says:
So people are robots who must listen to our commands,is that it?
Charles Thomas says:
Your entire worldview is based on obedience to authority…
Mr. Incredible asks:
Whose “authority”?
Charles Thomas says:
… even when it conflicts with reason and fact…
Mr. Incredible asks:
Whose “reason”?? Whose “fact”??
Charles Thomas says:
and even conscience.
Mr. Incredible asks:
Whose “conscience”??
Charles Thomas says:
So, to answer your question:No,people aren’t robots who must listen to your commands…
Mr. Incredible says:
However, YOU said violent people are inspired by what we say and write. So, which is it??
Charles Thomas says:
…though I suspect that you’d love to have that kind of power.
Mr. Incredible says:
No, I prefer that people choose. Even to do wrong. However, I prefer people who choose to think wrong things to be challenged, and I prefer people who choose to do the wrong things to be stopped.

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Charles Thomas

posted August 30, 2010 at 4:25 am


“Whose reason?”
“Whose facts?”
Such questions imply that there is no objective critera for ascertaining the truth on any matter.
Mr.Incredible apparently thinks that truth is determined not by faith not facts,in much the same way the relativist rejects facts and relies on feeling or emotion as a means of determining right from wrong,or what is true from what is false.
Both reject reason as a means of aquiring knowledge and truth.
Like it or not,the world isn’t derived from your consciousness.
What is true or false is independent of what you believe or feel is true or false.
This means that all others have an existence apart from your perceptions,and that their rights are as equal and as real as yours.
“Hate is an operation of the mind,it’s not in objective reality…”
Wrong.
Both hate and the hater have objective existence.
That doesn’t mean you can dictate what he feels.You can hate anyone you want for any reason you want,but the law can punish you for an act of hatred which violates the rights of another.
Sexual orientation of a person is also objectively real,but that doesn’t mean you can dictate his sexual attractions or deny him rights which all others have, based on what he feels for members of the same sex.You can punish a person for sexual behavior which violates the rights of others,but sexual behavior between consenting adults harms no one,therefore it should remain legal.
Muslims “can express ‘religious’ belief and practice it as they walk along the street.Belief and practice are not restricted to buildings.God does not live in things made by men.”
Christians can express “religious” belief and practice it as they walk along the street.Belief and practice are not restricted to buildings.God does not live in things made by men,so why do Christians need churches?



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Charles Thomas

posted August 30, 2010 at 4:52 am


“The Muslims and thier supporters,like you people,aren’t considering sensitivity,respect and courtesy,and so,we are.We understand that people like you don’t want to be confronted with that.Too bad.”
I believe that opponents have the right to persuade the owners to build elsewhere,but that the ultimate decision is not thiers to make.
Sensitivity,respect and courtesy go both ways.
The First Amendment is on thier side not yours,and trying to subvert the Constitution with frivoulous lawsuits shows an appaling disresect for religious liberty and insensitivity to those whose religious freedoms are being violated for crimes they didn’t commit.



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Mr. Incredible, in the Name of Jesus Who came in Grace and Truth

posted August 30, 2010 at 4:57 am


Mr. Incredible asks:
Whose reason? Whose facts?
Charles Thomas says:
Such questions imply…
Mr. Incredible says:
No, you infer.
Charles Thomas says:
…that there is no objective critera for ascertaining the truth on any matter.
Mr. Incredible says:
That may be true for YOU, but not for us.
Charles Thomas says:
Mr.Incredible apparently thinks that truth is determined not by faith not facts,in much the same way the relativist rejects facts and relies on feeling or emotion as a means of determining right from wrong,or what is true from what is false.
Mr. Incredible says:
Whose “truth”?
Charles Thomas says:
Both reject reason as a means of aquiring knowledge and truth.
Mr. Incredible says:
God calls us to reason with Him. We have. We don’t reject reason.
Charles Thomas says:
Like it or not,the world isn’t derived from your consciousness.
Mr. Incredible says:
Who says?
Charles Thomas says:
What is true or false is independent of what you believe or feel is true or false.
Mr. Incredible says:
That depends. Liberals say that truth and what’s right are relative.
Charles Thomas says:
This means that all others have an existence apart from your perceptions…
Mr. Incredible says:
That depends on perspective and the meaning of the word “existence.”
Charles Thomas says:
… and that their rights are as equal and as real as yours.
Mr. Incredible says:
Whose Rights are being infringed?

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Mr. Incredible, in Jesus' Name

posted August 30, 2010 at 4:59 am


Mr. Incredible says:
Hate is an operation of the mind,it’s not in objective reality…
Charles Thomas says:
Wrong.
Mr. Incredible says:
No, it’s right. Hate is an operation of the mind. It is subjective.
Charles Thomas says:
Both hate and the hater have objective existence.
Mr. Incredible says:
Prove that “hate” exists objectively. Where is it? Prove that it’s there. Can you point to the thing called “hate” and everybody can see it objectively? No, you can’t. Glad I could help.
Charles Thomas says:
That doesn’t mean you can dictate what he feels.
Mr. Incredible says:
And, yet, you blame us for getting violent people mad enough to do something violent. You don’t blame yourself, for instance, for saying things that get people mad enough to do something violent.
Charles Thomas says:
You can hate anyone you want for any reason you want…
Mr. Incredible says:
Gee, thanks, but I don’t need permission.
Charles Thomas says:
…but the law can punish you for an act of hatred which violates the rights of another.
Mr. Incredible says:
That is, IF the act, itself, is illegal. Motivation is not an element of criminal activity. Intent is. He doesn’t go to intent, rather to motivation.
Charles Thomas says:
Sexual orientation of a person is also objectively real…
Mr. Incredible says:
It depends.
God made everybody heterosexual. Dreaming that you are homosexual does not make you homosexual.
Charles Thomas says:
… but that doesn’t mean you can dictate his sexual attractions…
Mr. Incredible says:
I can remind him that God made him heterosexual. God does the dictating. I merely report it.
Charles Thomas says:
… or deny him rights which all others have…
Mr. Incredible says:
All men who are heterosexual may marry women who are heterosexual.
All men who are heterosexual may marry women who claim to be homosexual.
All women who are heterosexual may marry men who are heterosexual.
All women who are heterosexual may marry men who claim to be homosexual.
No man who is heterosexual may marry another man who is heterosexual.
No man who claims to be homosexual may marry another man who claims to be homosexual.
No man who claims to be homosexual may marry another man who is heterosexual.
No man who claims to be homosexual may marry another man who claims to be homosexual.
No woman who claims to be homosexual may marry another woman who is heterosexual.
No woman who claims to be homosexual may marry another woman who claims to be homosexual.
No woman who is heterosexual may marry another woman who is heterosexual.
No woman who is heterosexual may marry another woman who claims to be homosexual.
All those who are heterosexual are either man, or woman/male, or female.
All those who claim to be homosexual are either man, or woman/male, or female.
There is no third sex. So, there is no exclusion. Everybody is treated alike.
Therefore, there is no discrimination in the law that says that “marriage” is a union of a man, as husband, and a woman, as his wife.
Charles Thomas says:
…based on what he feels for members of the same sex.
Mr. Incredible says:
You mean, what he SAYS he feels. We don’t know that he really feels. All we know that he SAYS it.
Charles Thomas says:
You can punish a person for sexual behavior which violates the rights of others,but sexual behavior between consenting adults harms no one…
Mr. Incredible says:
A society has the Right to determine what’s right for it, based on the knowledge it has and the Morality as follows. We, as citizens, have input as to the way society is run.
Charles Thomas says:
… therefore it should…
Mr. Incredible says:
VALUE JUDGMENT ALERT! VALUE JUDGMENT ALERT! VALUE JUDGMENT ALERT!
Charles Thomas says:
… remain legal.
Mr. Incredible says:
They already have the same Right to marry that I do.
Mr. Incredible says:
Muslims “can express ‘religious’ belief and practice it as they walk along the street.Belief and practice are not restricted to buildings.God does not live in things made by men.
Charles Thomas says:
Christians can express “religious” belief and practice it as they walk along the street.Belief and practice are not restricted to buildings.God does not live in things made by men,so why do Christians need churches?
Mr. Incredible says:
The building is a meeting place for fellowship in the Lord. Hamasques have been the place for radical teachings against non-Muslims.

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Mr. Incredible, in the Name of Jesus, the True Light

posted August 30, 2010 at 5:09 am


JESUS IS LORD ! THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD !

Mr. Incredible says:
The Muslims and thier supporters,like you people,aren’t considering sensitivity,respect and courtesy,and so,we are.We understand that people like you don’t want to be confronted with that.Too bad.
Charles Thomas says:
I believe that opponents have the right to persuade the owners to build elsewhere,but that the ultimate decision is not thiers to make.
Mr. Incredible asks:
Who says otherwise??
Charles Thomas says:
Sensitivity,respect and courtesy go both ways.
Mr. Incredible says:
Except that the victims and their surviving families with still-fresh wounds are due more sensitivity, respect and courtesy. They have suffered more.
Charles Thomas says:
The First Amendment is on thier side not yours…
Mr. Incredible says:
The First Amendment is not a building permit.
Charles Thomas says:
and trying to subvert the Constitution…
Mr. Incredible says:
This isn’t about subverting the Constitution. It’s about sensitivity, respect and courtesy. The Muslims have none. They like the idea of rubbing salt in those still-fresh wounds.
Charles Thomas says:
… with frivoulous lawsuits…
Mr. Incredible asks:
So, you wanna stop people from exercising their Right to take their matter to court??
Charles Thomas says:
… shows an appaling disresect [sic] for religious liberty…
Mr. Incredible says:
Nobody on our side is disrespecting their “religious” liberty. Nobody is stopping them from exercising their “religious” liberty. There are hundreds of Hamasques in New York City. So, to say they are being denied their “religious” liberty is just plain goofy.
Charles Thomas says:
and insensitivity to those whose religious freedoms…
Mr. Incredible says:
Nobody is insensitive to their “religious” freedoms. There are hundreds of Hamasques in New York City. That proves that nobody is trying to restrict their “religious” freedom.
Charles Thomas says:
… are being violated for crimes they didn’t commit.
Mr. Incredible says:
Nobody is violating them. We are simply insisting on sensitivity, respect and courtesy toward those with fresh 9/11 wounds. They can build elsewhere.



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Mr. Incredible, in the Name of Jesus, says

posted August 30, 2010 at 5:18 am


The Constitution does not guarantee that somebody, exercising “religious” liberty, can build anywhere they want. The building, itself, is not an object of worship. It does not practice. A building has no Rights, First Amendment, nor otherwise.



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Mr. Incredible, in the Name of Jesus -- the Word made flesh

posted August 30, 2010 at 5:27 am


ds0490 says:
What I have yet to hear from any of these nutjobs calling for the Park51 project to relocate is a clear cut definition of how close is too close.
So, Mr. Sekulow, I ask you…do you have the integrity and convictions of your beliefs to tell us in plain, simple terms how far away from Ground Zero (the impact point) the Park51 project should build? If this is not about religious intolerance then you should be able to give us a simple answer to that question. Is it five blocks? Ten blocks? Twenty blocks?
Mr. Incredible says:
Stand back, Jay! I’ll handle this!
The Ground Zero radius extends to the point where no one found, nor will find, any debris, nor body parts, from the crashes.

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posted August 30, 2010 at 11:01 am


In response to my question of Mr. Sekulow, Mr. Incredible, follower of Jesus the Zombie, chooses to respond with:
“Stand back, Jay! I’ll handle this!”
You know, I have never spoke with a living puppet, Mr. Incredible. What’s it like to have Jay Sekulow’s hand up your ass all day?



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Charles Thomas

posted August 30, 2010 at 2:00 pm


“We are simply insisting on sensitivity,respect and courtesy toward those with fresh 9/11 wounds.They can build elsewhere.
That may sound to you like a plausible reason to oppose Park51 ,but I suspect it is not the real reason.
What is your explanation for opposition to mosques in California,Wisconsin,Florida and Tennessee?
This is not an issue about sensitivity and respect for the victims of 9/11.
Neo-conservatives and right-wing evangelicals in the republican party are behind most of the opposition.They use suspicion and hatred of Muslims to drum up support for war in the Middle East,or to blur the line that separates church and state.



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Charles Thomas

posted August 30, 2010 at 2:24 pm


“The Constitution does not guarantee that somebody,exercising ‘religious’ liberty,can build anywhere they want.”
Does that apply to Christians as well? Or do you believe it only applies to Muslims and other minorities who don’t suscribe to a your world-view?



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posted August 30, 2010 at 2:49 pm


Well, the problem with just making the relgion a generic term, is that you have to look at what the religion is teaching..
This religion is teaching others to kill based on the fact that they are not their religion… an infidel, so to speak…
So that would be like having all these nazi camps around and them teaching through their docterine that they can kill the jews anytime them want when they decide they want to based on the fact that they are not a nazi…. So it is the same concept of World War II, and you wonder without them clarifying that, and changing that concept why I would have a problem with it…. Well it is teaching others to kill innocent people in the name of a religion… Which goes against The United Nation’s agreement and constitutional freedoms… Meaning, they are terrorist and we should not put up with the hidden agenda of calling it a religious organization when they kill this way and for that reason… So there you have it…. One more masmurdering cult like agenda for the planet… cc



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posted August 30, 2010 at 2:52 pm


So I have heard it said that the moderate muslims do not practice their faith with Jihad’s , so how do we know when a moderate, is going to become a extremist with suicidal bombers as his friends and concepts…?



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Mr. Incredible, in the Name of Jesus the ONLY Way to the Father

posted August 30, 2010 at 10:13 pm


ds0490 says:
In response to my question of Mr. Sekulow, Mr. Incredible, follower of Jesus the Zombie, chooses to respond with:
“Stand back, Jay! I’ll handle this!”
You know, I have never spoke with a living puppet, Mr. Incredible.
Mr. Incredible asks:
What about the one between your legs?
ds0490 says:
What’s it like to have Jay Sekulow’s hand up your ass all day?
Mr. Incredible says:
And you wonder why you can’t have a serious discussion with us. You can’t even respond with any dignity to the points I brought up. So be it.

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Mr. Incredible, in Jesus' Name, the Name above all names

posted August 30, 2010 at 10:15 pm


JESUS IS LORD ! THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD OVER THE HILLS AND THROUGH THE VALLEYS!

Mr. Incredible says:
We are simply insisting on sensitivity,respect and courtesy toward those with fresh 9/11 wounds.They can build elsewhere.
Charles Thomas says:
That may sound to you like a plausible reason to oppose Park51 ,but I suspect it is not the real reason.
Mr. Incredible says:
Of course. We understand that you can’t accept any other “reason” than the one you’ve dreamed of in your head.
Charles Thomas says:
What is your explanation for opposition to mosques in California,Wisconsin,Florida and Tennessee?
Mr. Incredible says:
People are afraid. There is reason to be afraid.
You people, on the other hand, think that, if you serve them tea and cookies, they will forget whatever ideas they have about sharia law in the United States and adopt the peaceable lifestyle, according to the wishes of you people. That, however, is not the way it works.
Charles Thomas says:
This is not an issue about sensitivity and respect for the victims of 9/11.
Mr. Incredible says:
You wish it weren’t.
Charles Thomas says:
Neo-conservatives and right-wing evangelicals in the republican party are behind most of the opposition.
Mr. Incredible says:
Prove that with links to unbiased, uncorrupted sites.
Charles Thomas says:
They use suspicion…
Mr. Incredible says:
There is reason to suspect.
Charles Thomas says:
…and hatred of Muslims…
Mr. Incredible says:
We don’t hate Muslims.
Charles Thomas says:
… to drum up support for war in the Middle East…
Mr. Incredible says:
India and Pakistan are in the Middle East. Iraq is in the Near East.
That said, there is a time for war.
Charles Thomas says:
… or to blur the line that separates church and state.
Mr. Incredible says:
What line?



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Mr. Incredible, in the Name of Jesus, the True Light

posted August 30, 2010 at 10:16 pm


“THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK UNTO YOU, THEY ARE SPIRIT, AND THEY ARE LIFE.” — Jesus

Mr. Incredible says:
The Constitution does not guarantee that somebody,exercising ‘religious’ liberty,can build anywhere they want.
Charles Thomas says:
Does that apply to Christians as well?
Mr. Incredible says:
I think Christians are covered by the words “somebody” and “they.”
Of course, there has never been an instance where Christians have been allowed to build a church anywhere they want, no matter what. Christians have always followed building codes and zoning laws.
Charles Thomas says:
Or do you believe it only applies to Muslims and other minorities who don’t suscribe to a your world-view?
Mr. Incredible says:
We know that that’s more of a comment than a question.
Anyway, what “worldview” are you talking about?



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posted August 31, 2010 at 1:26 am


Don’t bother to listen to Mr. Incredible, he is a charlatan who doesn’t even know his own theology. Mostly he yammers on about how special he is and offers nothing of substance from a Christian perspective. He is pretty good at giving us the Narcissist perspective though.
Here is an example of why this guy is a fraud:
He typically will tell you that once Jesus came and died for your sins, he actually established a new covenant with everyone, the strictures of the Old Testament don’t apply. So, Mr. I Am A Tool For Jesus can wear mixed cloth and that kind of thing, waltzing right on by Leviticus.
However, he conveniently overlooks Matthew 5:17 – 20, especially where Jesus said “”Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them.” Per the Jesus dude, the Old Testament still applies binding Mr. I Don’t Know What I Am Talking About to the primitive laws of superstitious goat herders.
Even more laughable is that Mr. I Apparently Can’t Read isn’t even aware of Matthew 5:22 where Jesus, the Gay Blade cautions “But anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.” Mr. I Am A Raging Hypocrite spends a lot of time on here calling everyone a fool, not always in those exact words but certainly in equivalent phrases.
These two little examples aren’t all that important really other than being useful to highlight his hypocrisy and lack of real knowledge of the faith he professes to hold in his core. He doesn’t, he just likes the fantasy image of himself as some sort of holy warrior. He isn’t even a good spokesperson for the faith, he repels more from the cult of Jesus than he attracts.
So bottom line, Mr. It Is Only About Me is going to Hell. Good deal! Glad to hear it! Sadly, as an atheist it provides me no solace knowing that you are bound for Hell.
You see folks, Mr. Incredible isn’t a serious Christian, he is some weird guy with some mental issues. I know lots of Christians, Mr. Incredible is not even close to one. Seriously, take a look at what he writes and ask yourself is there anything about his tone or attitude that is even remotely close to Christianity as he claims it to be.



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Mr. Incredible, in the Name of Jesus, the True Light

posted August 31, 2010 at 3:49 am


JESUS IS LORD ! THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD OVER THE HILLS AND THROUGH THE VALLEYS !

Rich says:
Don’t bother to listen to Mr. Incredible…
Mr. Incredible says:
Hey, you’re back! You made bail.
Anyway, the Devil tells everybody not to listen to me. Some do. Some don’t. If even one does, I win and the angels sing.
Rich says:
…he is charlatan…
Mr. Incredible says:
You don’t have the experience with God, and, so, you aren’t in any position to be able to say anything of value about God, nor His Saints. What I post here, regarding God and His Son, is verified in the Word of God. I don’t need the certification, validation, nor verification of scoffers.
Rich says:
… who doesn’t even know his own theology.
Mr. Incredible says:
The Devil tells me that all the time. So what?
Rich says:
Mostly he yammers on about how special he is…
Mr. Incredible says:
Special to God, through Christ. I don’t care about being special to the world.
Rich says:
… and offers nothing of substance from Christian perspective.
Mr. Incredible says:
Nothing you’ll believe, anyway.
Rich says:
He is pretty good at giving us the Narcissist perspective though.
Mr. Incredible says:
I brag about God, through Christ, not myself. I testify not of myself, rather about God and Christ. So, just like all scoffers, you got that wrong, too. Gee, what a surprise.
Rich says:
Here is an example of why this guy is fraud:
He typically will tell you that once Jesus came and died for your sins, he actually established new covenant with everyone, the strictures of the Old Testament don’t apply.
Mr. Incredible says:
Well, you got that one wrong, too.
I never said that the Old Testament doesn’t apply.
In fact, those were born again, according to the New Testament, are not under the Law. They are under Grace. Scoffers don’t understand that. Christ fulfilled the Law for those who are born again. He said so Himself. You gotta dispute, take it up with Him.
Rich says:
So, Mr. I Am Tool For Jesus can wear mixed cloth and that kind of thing, waltzing right on by Leviticus.
Mr. Incredible says:
Those ordinances were written for Jews cuz they were rules made by Jews. Since they rejected God, God required them to follow their own rules. I’m not under Jewish ordinances.
Rich says:
However, he conveniently overlooks Matthew 5:17 – 20, especially where Jesus said “”Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them.” Per the Jesus dude, the Old Testament still applies binding Mr. I Don’t Know What I Am Talking About to the primitive laws of superstitious goat herders.
Mr. Incredible says:
I am not bound by the Law. I am bound by Grace. Jesus fulfilled the Law or me. That means I’m not required to fulfill the Law.
Only the Devil tried to make people feel guilty about the Law. God, through Christ, takes that guilt away.
So, another scoffer’s argument shot down.
Rich says:
Even more laughable is that Mr. I Apparently Can’t Read isn’t even aware of Matthew 5:22 where Jesus, the Gay Blade cautions “But anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.” Mr. I Am A Raging Hypocrite spends a lot of time on here calling everyone a fool, not always in those exact words but certainly in equivalent phrases.
Mr. Incredible says:
However, Jesus says “fool.” Just cuz YOU interpret what I say as the equivalent of “fool,” doesn’t mean I run afoul of what Jesus said. Jesus didn’t ask for your interpretation.
Another scoffer argument shot down.
Rich says:
These two little examples aren’t all that important really other than being useful to highlight his hypocrisy and lack of real knowledge of the faith he professes to hold in his core.
Mr. Incredible says:
Except that a scoffer wouldn’t know. Thus, he can’t say anything of value about it.
Rich says:
He doesn’t, he just likes the fantasy image of himself as some sort of holy warrior.
Mr. Incredible says:
God, through Christ, has enlisted me in the warfare. I’m armed with the weapons of our warfare. I am more than a conqueror.
Rich says:
He isn’t even a good spokesperson for the faith…
Mr. Incredible says:
A scoffer wouldn’t know.
Rich says:
…he repels more from the cult of Jesus than he attracts.
Mr. Incredible says:
I’m not responsible for the choices others make. They make their own choices and they are responsible for their own decisions.
Rich says:
So bottom line, Mr. It Is Only About Me is going to Hell.
Mr. Incredible says:
Actually, no I’m not. It doesn’t matter that YOU think so.
Rich says:
… as an atheist it provides me no solace knowing that you are bound for Hell.
Mr. Incredible says:
Scoffers know nothing Godly about it.
Rich says:
You see folks, Mr. Incredible isn’t a serious Christian…
Mr. Incredible says:
Scoffers know nothing about it.
Rich says:
… he is some weird guy with some mental issues.
Mr. Incredible says:
You’re just a bitter scoffer.
Rich says:
I know lots of Christians, Mr. Incredible is not even close to one.
Mr. Incredible says:
As Martha Stewart would say, “It’s a good thing.”
Rich says:
Seriously, take a look at what he writes and ask yourself is there anything about his tone or attitude that is even remotely close to Christianity as he claims it to be.
Mr. Incredible says:
All they have to do is compare what I write to what the Word of God says.
As I say, scoffers know nothing about it — that is, “The light shineth in the darkness, and the darkness comprehends it not.”



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Mr. Incredible, in the Name of Jesus, the True Light

posted August 31, 2010 at 3:58 am


When an atheist start spouting Scripture, he, of course, takes it out of context. That’s what the Devil does, too Scripture upon Scripture context.
Anyone can read the New Testament to find that those were born again are not under the Law, rather under Grace.
The reason atheists can’t understand that is they go through the Word of God, cherry-picking verses that “seem” to say what they want the Word of God to say. Thus, they cannot rightly divide the Word of Truth, and, then, they try to tell you that YOU don’t understand the Word of God as well as THEY do. That’s how Satan worked in the Garden.
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Mr. Incredible, in the Name of Jesus Who came in Grace and Truth

posted August 31, 2010 at 4:57 am


Rich says:
However, he conveniently overlooks Matthew 5:17 – 20, especially where Jesus said “”Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them.” Per the Jesus dude, the Old Testament still applies binding Mr. I Don’t Know What I Am Talking About to the primitive laws of superstitious goat herders.
Mr. Incredible says:
Only the Devil tries to bring the children of God back under the ministry of death which is the Law. Christ frees from the bondage of the Law.
Imagine, an atheist trying to tell everybody about the Word of God! What’s wrong with THAT picture??
As is well known, Jesus fulfilled the law, freeing those who are born again with the Father’s Grace through Him. Had He come to link Salvation to the Law, there would be no need for Jesus to have come. Scoffers don’t get that. They can’t.
Rich says:
Even more laughable is that Mr. I Apparently Can’t Read isn’t even aware of Matthew 5:22 where Jesus, the Gay Blade…
Mr. Incredible says:
Even more laughable than that: An atheist trying to tell everybody out one side his mout’ what Jesus said while, out the other side, calling Him a homosexual. Again, what’s wrong with THAT picture??
Rich says:
… cautions “But anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.” Mr. I Am A Raging Hypocrite spends a lot of time on here calling everyone a fool…
Mr. Incredible says:
Not even one time.
Rich says:
…not always in those exact words…
Mr. Incredible says:
B-b-b-b-b-but Jesus used the exact word. If He meant, “But anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ Or something like that…’” He would-a said so. He didn’t.
Rich says:
… but certainly in equivalent phrases.
Mr. Incredible says:
“Equivalent” according to whose standard??
What’s even more laughable than anything so far is watching an atheist relying on the words of Someone in Whom he doesn’t believe to try to make a case against one-a God’s Saints! That’s gotta be the funniest spectacle so far! Scoffers always do this, and it gets funnier every time. Keep the laughs comin’, Rich! You’re a terrific substitute for Belial Boris!

“THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK UNTO YOU, THEY ARE SPIRIT, AND THEY ARE LIFE.” — Jesus



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Mr. Incredible, in the Name of Jesus, the Son of God

posted August 31, 2010 at 5:24 am


AND THE LIGHT SHINETH IN DARKNESS; AND THE DARKNESS COMPREHENDED IT NOT.

Rich says:
So, Mr. I Am Tool For Jesus …
Mr. Incredible says:
Yes! Jesus uses me! Thanks for recognizing it!



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Mr. Incredible, in the Name of Jesus Whose a burden is light

posted August 31, 2010 at 5:34 am


Rich says:
So, Mr. I Am Tool For Jesus can wear mixed cloth and that kind of thing, waltzing right on by Leviticus.
Mr. Incredible says:
Most of those things were Jewish ceremonial laws, not God’s laws. God required them to follow their own laws, ordinances, statutes, rules and regulations cuz they rejected Him. Since they thought that following their own laws, ordinances, statutes, rules and regulations would say them, God intended to teach them that they couldn’t even do that.
Those who are born again understand that they cannot be perfect in the Law. That’s why Jesus came, to fulfill the Law and restore relationship between God and men. The relationship is not without requirements, however. The requirements of love of God. Loving God means that you do not wanna displease Him, and, when you do something that is ungodly, like choose to go homosexual and DO homosexuality, you repent, ask for forgiveness and don’t do it again. Love for God is not so frivolous as to require a dress code. Glorifying God is not a license for doing the ungodly.
I dunno why I’m explaining this to a scoffer who can’t possibly understand it, except that at least one person out there, who understands this, is encouraged by it. The angels sing when one person gets it.

JESUS IS LORD ! THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD OVER THE HILLS AND THROUGH THE VALLEYS !



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Mr. Incredible

posted August 31, 2010 at 5:37 am


CORRECTION, in the Name of Jesus
would say them — – > would save them



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Mr. Incredible, in Jesus' Name, the Name above all names

posted August 31, 2010 at 6:01 am


Jesus came to fulfill the Law for those who receive Him.
Just as He died on the Cross, He said, “It is finished.” That means that He fulfilled the Law and God’s design for relationship restored between Him and men who receive His Son.
So, again, the scoffer, Rich, is done in by the Word of God on Which he tries to rely even though he rejects the Word of God. We dunno what kinda hypocrisy THAT is, but some form and he’s comfy with it, we guess, and we also guess that that is all that counts…for HIM, anyways.



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ds0490

posted August 31, 2010 at 10:16 am


ds0490 says:
What’s it like to have Jay Sekulow’s hand up your ass all day?
Mr. Incredible says:
And you wonder why you can’t have a serious discussion with us. You can’t even respond with any dignity to the points I brought up. So be it.
By your own admission you do not speak in your own name, “Mr. Incredible, in Jesus’ Name, the Name above all names.” Therefore why should anyone carry on any conversation with you at all.
Everyone knows that you talk to the ventriloquist, not the dummy.



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Rich

posted August 31, 2010 at 10:59 am


re:
“Mr. Incredible says:
I am not bound by the Law. I am bound by Grace. Jesus fulfilled the Law or me. That means I’m not required to fulfill the Law.”
Yeah, right!



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Catherine

posted August 31, 2010 at 2:06 pm


Its not about debate–Christianity is about Love.
Yes, Christ came to fulfill the Old Testament Law, and we Are under a new Covenant of Grace. This grace reaches out with love, and all the while, from Genesis to Revelation, Jesus IS the same yesterday, today, and Forever.
My recommendation:
Mr. I – Love like Christ did. (while we were yet sinners…..)
Rich – Open your heart and be loved by Jesus.



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Charles Thomas

posted August 31, 2010 at 4:12 pm


In reference to hate crimes you said:”Motivation is not an element of criminal activity.Intent is.”
Intent AND motive have always been considered relevant to those who investigate and prosecute crime.
I would have no objection to repealing all hate crime legislation as if hate crime laws protecting people in other categories like religion,race,and gender are also repealed.
But people like you didn’t raise any objections until gay people wanted to be included.
“YOU say that what we say inspires people to do violence.”
So,you say that our respect for the rights of Muslims to occupy Park51 enaables terrorists to claim a “symbolic victory” over America.
Prove it.
You say that what people watch in movies and television,or hear in popular music,inspires immoral behavior.
Prove it.
You say that public education inspires people to become liberal,renounce Christianity,and embrace secular humanism.
Prove it.
You say you don’t want to deny Muslims thier religious freedom,that you are simply calling for sensitivity,respect and courtesy for the victims and survivors of 9/11.
You say:” The Muslims and their supporters,like you people,aren’t considering sensitivity,respect,and courtesy,and so,we are.”
Using your logic about hatred, I will say that sensitivity,respect,and courtesy,are also operations of the mind.
They are purely subjective.
Prove that “sensitivity” “respect” and “courtesy” have any reality apart from the mind.
Can you point to those things and have everybody see them?
Why are you insisting that supporters of religious liberty exercise attitudes that don’t even exist?
You say that opposition to mosques in other parts of the country is due to fear:
“People are afraid.There is reason to be afraid.”
Well,if hatred is an operation of the mind,then so is fear.
I said:
“What is true or false is independent of what you believe or feel is true or false.”
You said:
That depends.Liberals say that truth and what’s right are relative.”
And so do conservatives like you,as indicated by your comment that the existence of others depends on perspective and the meaning of the word “existence.”
Does that mean if you change your perspective and the definition of the term “existence” that all others will cease to exist?
Apparently religion and relatavism are two sides of the same coin.One side says belief creates reality;the other side says that individual perpective and the definition of words can alter its very nature.
No suprise to me.
What should one expect from people who practice selective perception.
They see only what they want to see,and hear only what they want to hear.
To them,the world’s a fiction they edit according to whim.



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Grumpy Old Person

posted September 1, 2010 at 10:46 am


“I hope you’re not suggesting that nearly three-out-of-four Americans are intolerant because they don’t want a mosque built on that site?”
I can’t speak for others, but I am not “suggesting” it – I’m saying it outright. Freedom of religion is NOT a popularity contest, nor should it be – EVER!
“No matter how you try, this isn’t about religious discrimination or intolerance.”
Horsepuckey. No matter how many times you say it isn’t about “religious discrimination or intolerance” – it is observably that. Either ALL citizens have religious liberty or none do.
Doesn’t the arson at a TEnnessee mosque tell you anything? This is not about location, or else you’d be able to tell us exactly just how far from the 9/11 site IS acceptable to you. Two blocks is too close, but apparently, so is Tennessee.
“Certainly you can understand the feelings of the families and victims of 9-11 – including our client – NYC firefighter and first responder Tim Brown – who survived the attack but lost nearly 100 colleagues that day. For them, the pain never ends.”
Like no Muslim Americans perished that day. Like no Muslim Americans lost relatives, friends, co-workers that day. Why isn’t their ‘pain’ as important as yours.
Please explain why religious liberty should now only apply to some. And then give us the complete list of who should be denied it. That would save us a lot of time in the long run, because then everybody would know where their particular religion stands in this new American hierarchy of faiths.



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Your Name

posted September 2, 2010 at 6:01 pm


And what are you so afraid of? When somebody actually tells what happened and what they are doing? Discriminatory practices… Grammar fine thankyou very much, unfortunately I started writing and others stayed on the high horse of better then though… and you helped them with that concept!
The truth!
CC



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Sacramental Bea

posted September 3, 2010 at 4:31 pm


“The fact is that a growing number of Americans – now 71% according to the latest CBS News poll – simply don’t believe the Ground Zero site is an appropriate site for the mosque.”
No, Jay. The fact is that freedom of religion should never be subjected to a popularity contest.
Unless, of course, we get to vote on YOURS.



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Your Name

posted September 3, 2010 at 4:52 pm


So is the mosque going to support the activities which killed the people…?
Remember it is the suicide bombers or terrorist which out of the Islamic relgion which killed the people by a so called Jihad which is simply called because they see people who do not except their religion as their own as infidels….
So it is a biased killing religion which kills, unless they want to clarify that to the rest of the population of the world, that is what it is…. and what they are going to sight this as being some sort of popularity contest or something…. like it is unfair for them to build their terrorist support building at the actual sight of the location where thousands of people were killed in the name of a Jihad religion. What a concept….. completely rediculous….CC



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Henrietta22

posted September 4, 2010 at 12:51 pm


I don’t think the large amount of Americans are intolerant because they don’t want a Muslim Community Center built two blocks away from the site of the World Trade Center Destruction. I don’t think they are thinking the whole arguement through, though. They are being led by anti-muslim activists, and they don’t even understand that. Muslim-American people were also killed in the World Trade Center as well as other religious people there. The attackers were extremists of their Muslim faith, or maybe they were nothing of any faith and just wanted to kill. Gingrich has implied on TV he would like to see the destroyed Center and blocks around said place all be declared an Historical place where nothing can be built, I guess. IMO and many other people he is turning into an Extremist in his opinions. We have a law that tells us we have Freedom of Religion in America. This is supposed to dispell civil wars between the people who live here. It has worked for a long time, and extremists shouldn’t try agitating everyone because it protects our Religios liberty.



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J L Perkins

posted September 4, 2010 at 8:39 pm


Finally someone is speaking up and doing something about it. Do you know anything about Islam? It is NOT a peaceful religion. They believe that it is their duty to make everyone a Muslim. It is not just a religion, it’s judicial and a society. It’s not just, oh I’m going to the mosque today, like the religions we know. It’s not a “religion” of peace.
You need to do some research before saying that they are just another religion. They want to take over all infidels (especially all of us Christians)and it is not just “fanatics”, this is a core belief of their religion and they take it very seriously. Has there been anyone of the Islamic faith stand up and denounce the bombings, the terrorists? No, they have just been silent. Take a clue people.
Have you read any history about Islam and how their major goal was to take over country by country. They moved through the middle east and were close to invading Jerusalem, but they were stopped. The date of this was Sept. 11 (sorry can’t remember the year off hand).
Watch the film, Islam what the west needs to know. The academics and former Muslims in this film explain the religion and its tenets.



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Trevor W Davenport

posted September 4, 2010 at 8:49 pm


Dear Bro. Jay ,
You have been gifted & graced by God , as few people in your field . May Our Lord continue to guide you , your labor has been a heavy task , of which few would eve undertake . May God’s strength & power of His mighty spirit be upon you & your dear family now & in the days ahead. In Christ Jesus love – May he grant you exceeding great Godly Wisdom for all you do for his kingdom. . .



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Mr. Incredible, in Jesus' Name, the Name above all names

posted September 8, 2010 at 6:36 pm


Mr. Incredible says:
I am not bound by the Law. I am bound by Grace. Jesus fulfilled the Law or me. That means I’m not required to fulfill the Law.
Rich says:
Yeah, right!
Mr. Incredible says:
Thanks for agreeing, but it doesn’t matter whether you agree, or not.

JESUS IS LORD ! THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD OVER THE HILLS AND THROUGH THE VALLEYS !



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Your Name

posted September 16, 2010 at 12:38 pm


I wish he wasn’t bound by the law of gravity!



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Mary-Lee

posted September 22, 2010 at 1:05 pm


The fact is that a growing number of Americans – now 71% according to the latest CBS News poll – simply don’t believe the Ground Zero site is an appropriate site for the mosque.
I recall that about the same numbers of U.S. citizens supported the invasion of Iraq… an invasion that nearly every citizen now understands was misguided, at least, and based on outright lies about Saddam Hussein’s alleged cache of weapons of mass destruction.
In short, sometimes the majority is dead wrong.



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Mary-Lee

posted September 22, 2010 at 1:08 pm


They believe that it is their duty to make everyone a Muslim. It is not just a religion, it’s judicial and a society.
And is it not true that Christians feel that it is their duty to convert everyone to Christianity?
If not, then why the missionary activity?



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Mr. Incredible, in the Name of Jesus, the True Light!

posted September 24, 2010 at 3:29 am


J L Perkins says:
They believe that it is their duty to make everyone a Muslim. It is not just a religion, it’s judicial and a society.
Mary-Lee says:
And is it not true that Christians feel that it is their duty to convert everyone to Christianity?
Mr. Incredible says:
It is not true. We convert nobody. God does the conversion, IF one receives His Son.
In any case, Christians don’t go killing people just cuz they don’t receive Him.
Mary-Lee says:
If not, then why the missionary activity?
Mr. Incredible says:
For the same reason Jesus came with His missionary activity: bring the Message of God’s Reconciliation to the world.



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The God Who Wasn't There

posted September 25, 2010 at 12:36 pm


There is no message from God because God does not exist, never has. What we have are messages from people, not God. Frightened, hyper- imaginitive but dim-witted (Mr. Idiot) people who live out lives of petty superstition. Hence, the ‘My God can beat up your God’ mentality. Childish. Foolish.



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Mr. Incredible, in the Name of Jesus, the Name above ALL names!

posted September 25, 2010 at 5:15 pm


The God Who Wasn’t There — not for YOU, anyway — says:
There is no message from God…
Mr. Incredible says:
The Message went over your head.
The God Who Wasn’t There — not for YOU, anyway — says:
… because God does not exist…
Mr. Incredible says:
For YOU, anyway. That doesn’t mean He doesn’t exist.
The God Who Wasn’t There — not for YOU, anyway — says:
…never has.
Mr. Incredible says:
Always has existed, does exist and always will exist.
Yours is an argument of negation. Negation proposes nothing. Negation offers nothing. Negation solves nothing. Negation resolves nothing. Negation is an unintelligent, unreasoned, unempirical, illogical and unscientific assertion. It is mere noise, like a duck, quacking.
The God Who Wasn’t There — not for YOU, anyway — says:
What we have are messages from people…
Mr. Incredible says:
Who spoke from their hearts what God put into their hearts to speak.
The God Who Wasn’t There — not for YOU, anyway — says:
…not God.
Mr. Incredible says:
From God.
The God Who Wasn’t There — not for YOU, anyway — says:
Frightened, hyper- imaginitive but dim-witted (Mr. Idiot) people who live out lives of petty superstition.
Mr. Incredible says:
Flattery will get you nowhere. I take your resistance as a badge of honor, a bouquet of roses.
The God Who Wasn’t There — not for YOU, anyway — says:
Hence, the ‘My God can beat up your God’ mentality.
Mr. Incredible says:
Except that God can, and does, every day.
The God Who Wasn’t There — not for YOU, anyway — says:
Childish.
Mr. Incredible says:
Thanks for recognizing that I am a child of God.
The God Who Wasn’t There — not for YOU, anyway — says:
Foolish.
Mr. Incredible says:
It’s foolish to deny the existence of God.



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Janiah LaGrange

posted October 5, 2010 at 4:20 pm


Jay,
It’s very simple to me. If 71% of the American people don’t want it, find another site. We are still supposed to be the country whose people decide what they want, or don’t want. Are we not still the country of: “For the people and BY the people.” I think the people have spoken. Find another site. The Mosque is a totally UNNECESSARY slap in the face to millions of Americans. I have nothing against Islam in it’s purest form, but this wasn’t Islam in it’s purest form that created Ground Zero. It was Islam at it’s worst and a Mosque at Ground Zero is no way of honoring our dead….it is a deliberate insult to the people who died there and to their families.



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Troy

posted October 5, 2010 at 4:43 pm


I don’t see how it could possibly be an insult to those, including muslims, who died on 9/11 to construct a community center nearby.
If seventy one percent of people opposed legitimate construction of a church, the church still has every right to build and worship. Equal rights is a concept which doesn’t appeal to some peoples, theocracies and tyrannous types, but it does to real Americans.



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Mr. Incredible, in the Name of Jesus, in Whom we are conquerors!

posted October 5, 2010 at 6:25 pm


Troy says:
I don’t see how it could possibly be an insult to those, including muslims, who died on 9/11 to construct a community center nearby.
Mr. Incredible says:
Well, it is.
Troy says:
If seventy one percent of people opposed legitimate construction of a church…
Mr. Incredible says:
Well, we guess that we’ll have to remind you yet again that nobody is against the building of the Hamasque. They ask only that those who wanna build the Hamasque on Ground Zero be sensitive to the memory of those who died on that day at the hand of Muslims who held the same faith as those who will run the Hamasque.
Troy says:
…the church still has every right to build and worship.
Mr. Incredible asks:
Where is this “Right” to build?
Troy says:
Equal rights is a concept which doesn’t appeal to some peoples, theocracies and tyrannous types, but it does to real Americans.
Mr. Incredible says:
Nobody wants to stop them from building the Hamasque. So-called “equal Rights” is not involved here.



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posted October 8, 2010 at 1:38 pm


1. It isn’t a mosque, it’s a community center (for the 100th time).
2. It isn’t “on Ground Zero”.
3. The project has been legally approved, the right to build exists.
4. For someone who says there are many different ways to worship Christainity, Mr. Idiot seems to think all Muslims are identical.
5. Of course it is disingenuous to say nobody wants to stop them from building the community center, as there are direct quotes of people demanded exactly that and more… no mosques, anywwhere in America. All the same dim-witted type of no class individuals.
6. It isn’t an insult to most of the people involved in New York, ==must be an Arizona thing.
7. God doesn’t exist, never has. He is pretended by pretenders who have no other life and no other friends. If God could heal the LAME, he should start with Mr. Incredibly Stupid ’cause he’s the lamest person on the planet.



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Mr. Incredible, in the Name of Jesus Who does not take His eye off the Righteous!

posted October 8, 2010 at 5:26 pm


October 8, 2010 1:38 PM
God is Pretended by Pretenders
Mr. Incredible says:
No need to pretend what is real.
October 8, 2010 1:38 PM
1. It isn’t a mosque…
Mr. Incredible says:
It’s a Hamasque.
October 8, 2010 1:38 PM
…it’s a community center (for the 100th time).
Mr. Incredible says:
The Hamasque welcomes all who wanna be reeducated in Islam so they can “understand” why Muslims attacked America.
October 8, 2010 1:38 PM
2. It isn’t “on Ground Zero”.
Mr. Incredible says:
Yes, it is. The landing gear assembly from one-a the aircraft crahsed through the building that is on the site. That makes it part of Ground Zero.
October 8, 2010 1:38 PM
3. The project has been legally approved, the right to build exists.
Mr. Incredible says:
No such “Right” exists.
Anyways, one may have the Right to do something, but whether it is the right thing to do is another question. It takes Wisdom. You wouldn’t know anything about that.
October 8, 2010 1:38 PM
4. For someone who says there are many different ways to worship Christainity…
Mr. Incredible says:
Except that I don’t say that cuz Christ “don’t” say dat
October 8, 2010 1:38 PM
…Mr. Idiot seems to think all Muslims are identical.
Mr. Incredible says:
Since we don’t know who is and who isn’t a Muslim terrorist, we must look at all Muslims extra special-like.
October 8, 2010 1:38 PM
5. Of course it is disingenuous to say nobody wants to stop them from building the community center…
Mr. Incredible says:
Of course, the vast majority says that they can build the Hamasque elsewhere, not where it would dishonor the memory of those killed by Muslims. There are hundreds of them in NYC.
October 8, 2010 1:38 PM
…as there are direct quotes of people demanded exactly that and more… no mosques, anywwhere in America.
Mr. Incredible says:
However, the vast majority says that they can build the Hamasques elsewhere.
October 8, 2010 1:38 PM
All the same dim-witted type of no class individuals.
Mr. Incredible says:
Lookit all that hate. What did your parents do to you.
October 8, 2010 1:38 PM
6. It isn’t an insult to most of the people involved in New York…
Mr. Incredible says:
Most of New York didn’t die in an attack on America by Muslims.
October 8, 2010 1:38 PM
7. God doesn’t exist…
Mr. Incredible says:
To YOU, He doesn’t But so what? You make your bed, YOU sleep in it.
October 8, 2010 1:38 PM
…never has.
Mr. Incredible says:
Just cuz YOU don’t see Him doesn’t mean He doesn’t exist. You don’t see Him cuz you’re blind.
October 8, 2010 1:38 PM
He is pretended by pretenders who have no other life and no other friends.
Mr. Incredible says:
YOU’d like to think so, if “thinking” is what you wanna call it.
October 8, 2010 1:38 PM
If God could heal the LAME, he should start with Mr. Incredibly Stupid…
Mr. Incredible says:
Already done! I’m “stupid” for Christ! What a deal!
October 8, 2010 1:38 PM
…’cause he’s the lamest person on the planet.
Mr. Incredible asks:
According to whose standard? YOURS??? HA! So what?



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Jonathan White

posted November 4, 2010 at 8:02 am


President Thomas Jefferson,with a stroke of the pen,abolished 18 courts for there unconstitutional fiat Rex opinions. Seems to me, “We The People” need a President with a U S Constitutional conservative back bone. That would fix all the problem overnight.



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