Lynn v. Sekulow

Lynn v. Sekulow


Jay: You Are Right

posted by Rev. Barry W. Lynn

Jay, you were certainly right to support a student’s right to wear a rosary in spite of a public school’s “anti gang symbol” policy–and indeed to challenge the facial constitutionality of the school’s fundamentally flawed approach to restricting First Amendment rights of students. My position on this was sufficiently “odd” that I notice that the conservative Washington Times newspaper did a feature piece on it.

Curiously, though, this incident is symptomatic of many Americans’ failure to look at root causes of problems while trying to locate cheap (and often unconstitutional) pseudo-solutions.  Other schools with gang problems have tried to bar all blue and red clothing (Crips and Bloods “colors”) but then found that actual gang members substituted different colors or established new symbols.


I would place into the same “simple” category efforts by Religious Right advocates who seek to return some form of government-endorsed prayer or other religious activities to public schools.  These are people like David Barton who find no problems with religiously focused activities at assemblies or official student-led prayers at graduations, pep rallies and athletic events.  The argument usually runs like this: statistically, we had fewer out of wedlock births in 1945 than in 2005 and since we had prayer in schools in 1945, we should return prayer to prevent pregnancies.

This country needs to accept the truth of H.L.Mencken’s famous comment: “There is always any easy solution to every problem- neat, plausible and wrong”



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posted June 4, 2010 at 5:14 pm


Ow, don’t worry, I was not stealing your dime…I thought my son dropped it on the floor because he said he was going to bring in some change for a donut…So if that was some sort of test, I need a whole lot more than a dime….cc
Thanks for the sentiment….., you could have said hi…Unless of course you didn’t recognize me…..



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posted June 4, 2010 at 5:16 pm


Great game, go Lakers…..awesome…..cc



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William Cook

posted June 5, 2010 at 8:33 am


The only speech that is truly free is truth. Truth itself is free and unswayed by the sentiments of men. It is not moved by the opinions of man or the majority view. It cares not that it is in the minority or alone; Truth thrives when it is in the minority. Truth, like the Word Incarnate, never changes. No liar, nor anyone who believes a lie, is truly free. Truth is not moved by sincerity or a man’s certitude. Truth is not acquiescent; it is a roaring lion. If lies banish men to eternal fire, truth will allow them all to go there, if need be, without flinching. The way of truth is exceptionally narrow and very few manage to find it. The way of untruth is immeasurably wide and very few escape it.



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Rich

posted June 5, 2010 at 10:57 am


William Cook,
Your words are noble but I am troubled by the opening line. Certainly, truth exists separate from any opinion but truth is not always free, just ask Galileo.
re: “Truth is not moved by sincerity or a man’s certitude”
This sentiment is well-stated and interesting to me. As a non-theist, it is always surreal to me when people profess their great faith and certainty, a person’s certitude has little to do with the truth.
re: “The way of truth is exceptionally narrow and very few manage to find it. The way of untruth is immeasurably wide and very few escape it.”
Absolutely true, this is exactly why theists outnumber non-theists. There is enormous pressure on children to be religious, few are lucky enough to escape it.



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HG

posted June 5, 2010 at 2:58 pm


W. Cook: “No liar, nor anyone who believes a lie, is truly free.”
Oh, I don’t know that believing something which has no basis in fact makes one less free. That they perceive truth in their belief and have complete freedom to do so may be undeniable even if their most basic assumption is wrong. Truth often contains an element of perception, and so, as my friend Sherlock used to say, ‘let us examine the facts’.



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posted June 5, 2010 at 4:17 pm


Re: William Cook
I enjoyed that….
Sometimes truth does not escape the lies out there, which prefer to mask it into one big lie…As if truth is not truth…
It is amazing to me the certaintly one has in their own opinions, which can be quite the opposite of what truth is….
Truth is revealed…, despite what others have to do with it. Despite the lies of the carnal, and the unconformable urges people have to taint it….
Truth is amazing, it is what makes the world go round, and the ability for people to have a breath…For truth is in the finite and the unbelievable…Truth is what gives life a life, and people the ability to sustain life, despite their confused sense of the Word, and their unbelievable hypocrisy…cc



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posted June 5, 2010 at 4:31 pm


p.s.
Just because you showed up for a picture and tried to step out in front of my car to be noticed by someone famous, does not indicate that you did not try and get me out of a job that I was trying real hard to achieve…So, your little innocent act only gets you so far with me…For if you were truely conscerned with trying to support my future financial abilities, you would have contacted me in a different way, instead of trying to one up me in every opportunity you could get……So no you are not my friend of my support system… I am not like you either……cc



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Kevin_Atlanta

posted June 6, 2010 at 9:53 am


Above all the separation of Church and State that is more than ever before in history under attack by the Religious Right presents the fundamental issue I have and many of my peer have in America today.
We do nothing to inhibit your rights to practice the religion of your choice yet the Cults of Jesus Inc find particular joy in Lies, Hate and Fear Mongering against the LGBTQ community as their privilege…
As a member of the LGBTQ Community, and a citizen of the USA, this position from the Cults of Jesus Inc defines clearly the doctrine of Hate, the foundation of the Lies being to inflame the huddled masses and all in opposition to the teaching professed…
Go figure…



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posted June 6, 2010 at 3:36 pm


Truth is not perception….
Truth is what it is truth…
Perception can have truth in it, which can be a lie…
Meaning a half truth….
Meaning some of the perception is truth and some of it is a lie….
So that would not be the whole truth….
The whole truth is not perception, it is a fact….cc



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posted June 6, 2010 at 3:59 pm


Perception is a way a person perceives an occurance. Tainted by views and ideas and all of their life experiences…So this would be a scewed perception…For all of us see things through the eyes of which we have been patterned to grow up learning…Meaning we have been tainted by the world and the people in it….
For instance if you were served a serving of mashed potatoes and the person who served you those mashed potatoes said “here you go”.
The tone of voice used for serving those mashed potatoes could be perceived rude or polite depending on how you view it…, especially when you had a past experience with the tone of voice being rude or polite…
Or the person being served may think the person who said “here you go”, was rude. While the server, may perceive their tone of voice as polite…Thus the argument continues and then we have differences of opinions, which are not intended to be perceived as a lie, but a perception of individuals.
Sometimes phrases are meant as sarcasm, the problem with writing sarcasm without the tone of voice in them, is that people do not get the intention unless explained verbally by another, I had to learn that the hard way…
People took me seriously for statements written, when my intent was to bring up subject matter, or ridiculous views or philosophies…
Then the anger was projected towards me, when my intent was to show how angry I was at the particular view… So, then all these people took what I was angry at and acted like that was my opinions and views that I agreed with…. The rude manners, the dirty looks by women, when trying to use me as the escape goat for their particular problems and not taking responsability for their cold hearted murderous spirits. Not to mention the abusive nature of the males who perceived me as some sort of irresponsable reckless sex toy or something…, which I am clearly the opposite… It was not my fault that somebody carried me to another room when I asked to go to the bathroom, when I was clearly passing out earlier in the day and they knew it…, and it was certainly not my fault for the inappropriate manner that I was exsposed in front of a church for God sakes…. Not only that, then to act like they had no part in the activity and I was the culprit when clearly I was sick….
And they call themselves Christians no less. If that is what is a Christian from their church, then I don’t want any part in it, large or small….
So I will not be having any unequally yoking, even when involving the church…..For I did not come into the church to be man handled poorly and abused by women as some sort of adulterous women….
My testamony was to make people think about loving other people and the tainted nature that the world has become and how I don’t want to be a part of it anymore….The caddy exist even in the church…even from previous friends, who I found out were very, very shallow in the end….only looking out for themselves, and seeking just to compete with me, like that is what makes the heart heal, or the person love…quite the opposite my friends….cc



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HG

posted June 6, 2010 at 5:27 pm


Ever heard the story about the three blind men touching different parts of an elephant and relating what they thought it was? Each told the truth, and each was completely wrong. Truth is not necessarily fact.
Your history of being an “escape goat”, “exposed in front of a church”, and “man handled poorly and abused by women as some sort of adulterous women…”, should strike me as odd; but coming from you, for some reason, it doesn’t.



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posted June 7, 2010 at 5:04 pm


No HG, it was a fact….
Unfortunately I was in therapy for a year caused by the occurance, and the people that were a part of it showed up in various forms and told me their perception of the event…, when clearly I had some sort of bronchitis , or border line pneumonia when I went that day and I passed out twice while I was there, before taken to a room where
God knows what happened…..cc
So, be careful who carries you out of a room when you are sick…., that is the lesson. Furthermore, be careful who you are friends with and who you disclose personal information to, and protect yourself..
For I have learned that others are not always in it to protect you, but themselves, even if it is a down right lie and they gossip to sway the public opinion..of the event….I have learned that the so called wall and doors church is not always the Church….Sometimes it can mask the worst enemies which ever existed on the planet…So, I will not be yanked by the hair and called a dirty little whore by you , thank you very much…Not to mention being yanked out of a room by God knows who and brought in front of thousands of people to ridicule me, as if I was the individual who did it…..I did not know who at the time or what exactly happened….So, to have others project their dirty little gossipy mouths with such hypocrisy is quite frankly not only abusive, but down right ungodly and perseculational…..
So, Hg, who ever you are, your condescending little elephant touched by three, it could have been more…..quite frankly and I don’t think your condescending derogatory remarks are honest and kind towards individuals….cc
p.s. This has nothing to do with the people who came up to me afterwords to help me through the occurance and take full responsability for their actions on their parts…This has to do with the people who projected their garbage on me and their dirty little gossipy mouths, when clearly I was traumatized by the event and had passed out….So you can keep your dirty little elephant three touched joke observation for your own little pool party of laughs, for I don’t think it was funny what happened, not one little bit…
And another thing to act like the innocent are the criminal and the hoorable hearted individuals are the perfect is exactly that, hypocrisy at its worst….cc
p.p.s. Go find some scripture on do unto others as you would have them do unto you….., because your post HG are quite frankly vomitory in language and tone….., you might enjoy hurting others given your past blogs and how you have treated me in the past…, which is quite frankly insane to think that I could change you into a kind human being, given the fact that you support killing children in the womb……good-bye!



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posted June 7, 2010 at 5:07 pm


I will keep the three blind men away from me so there will be no perception of anybody touching me.



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HG

posted June 7, 2010 at 7:21 pm


cc: “No HG, it was a fact….”
WHAT? What was a fact? You don’t even TRY to make sense.
cc: “I passed out twice while I was there, before taken to a room where God knows what happened…”
I don’t care if you were humped upside down on the cross in front of the whole congregation, it has nothing to do with me.
cc: “So, I will not be yanked by the hair and called a dirty little whore by you , thank you very much.”
I never offered.
cc: “So, Hg, who ever you are, your condescending little elephant touched by three, …….So you can keep your dirty little elephant three touched joke observation for your own little pool party…”
You don’t seem to know the story. It is not a joke, and there is nothing condescending about it. Just another word you use improperly.
cc: “you might enjoy hurting others given your past blogs and how you have treated me in the past…,”
I have treated your comments as I saw fit, and YOU were the first to cast stones between us, so you have no legitimate complaint. Given your wish to delete freedom secured to the People within the Constitution, I don’t think you’re a kind, or intelligent, human being.



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posted June 8, 2010 at 4:36 pm


Hg, you don’t know me and I don’t know you. I do not have to explain a thing to you….That last blog was not written for you only, that was only to address your behavior and others involved in an event, they know who they are….So, your little blog can go stuff it up your ear….cc
p.s. I was not addressing those who have explained and said they were sorry…Thanks for the condolences…



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posted June 11, 2010 at 4:04 pm


Don’t worry the Lakers are unstoppable!
Great three pointer….cc



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