Lynn v. Sekulow

Lynn v. Sekulow


In Texas & Washington, Elections Do Matter

posted by Jay Sekulow

Barry,

Let’s not forget that in Texas, the boot was on the other foot, so to speak, for many years – where conservatives were the minority on the Texas Board of Education.   

One conservative board member said the majority’s conservative approach to “culture, government and the changing political landscape” was impossible 13 years ago when the social studies curriculum last was updated because conservatives on the board were on the losing side of a 11-4 vote.  And, when the curriculum issue surfaces again sometime after 2010 – there’s no telling where Texas will be in all of this – with shifting demographics and political winds that continue to alter the landscape.

 

As board member David Bradley put it:  “There’s been a cultural and political shift in Texas, at least in the policy-making level.  We all represent a constituency.  Elections matter.”

He’s right.  Elections do matter – in Texas and in Washington, D.C. where every procedural gimmick in the book is being employed to force through a health care plan that most Americans reject. 

It’s unbelievable – this kind of arm-twisting is usually reserved for crowd-control – not policy making. Consider what’s happening to Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich) and other pro-life Democrats who continue to push for a pro-life Amendment that unquestionably excludes abortion funding from health care reform.

Talk about arm-twisting.  Here’s what Rep. Stupak told a reporter:  What are Democratic leaders saying? “If you pass the Stupak amendment, more children will be born, and therefore it will cost us millions more. That’s one of the arguments I’ve been hearing,” Stupak says. “Money is their hang-up. Is this how we now value life in America? If money is the issue — come on, we can find room in the budget. This is life we’re talking about.”

This whole thing has degenerated into a mess.  Congressional leaders have implemented a ‘we know what’s best for America’ attitude that’s permeated the whole process.  Forget about the fact that most Americans think the current health care package needs to be scrapped – that most Americans want Congress to start over.  Forget about the fact that most Americans don’t want a plan that provide funding for abortion.  Forget about the fact that the House wants to ‘deem’ the Senate bill passed – without actually voting on the bill itself.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is certainly on message – she continues with her mantra: “We will do what is necessary to pass a bill.”  Translation – It really doesn’t really matter what the American people think or want.  We’re going to do what we want – what we think is best for America.

That’s really too bad.  Yes, elections do have consequences – and they do matter.  We’re seeing that play out now – and I’m certain we’ll see that play out in November and beyond.

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jestrfyl

posted March 18, 2010 at 11:03 am


The very reason politicians are held in such disdain is that think that politics is the only thing that matters. Winning a vote or an election is only one part of a much larger more dynamic whole. But the rarefied air of Washington DC encourages this myopic orientation.
Politics is not about winning votes or out maneuvering opponents. It is intended to be the means for serving people. This one lesson is so buried by the obstacles and obfuscations that have become the both the food and waste products of the system. It has become the Worm Ouroboros, consuming itself for the benefit of no one. And then the politicians wonders why no one cares or pays them much attention!
If anyone in the legislature really wanted to help, to serve people, and not simply sling poo or take a swing at each other, this whole mess – and several others – would be resolved. Instead they self-inflate like airbags in a low speed accident; aggravating everyone, protecting no one, and costing far more than is necessary.



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deborah in chattanooga

posted March 18, 2010 at 12:15 pm


article might have been well written if it wasn’t so blatently written by a republican out of touch with the american people. I live in the middle of the bible belt and I do not know anyone that doesn’t want health reform now!



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Jarrod P.

posted March 18, 2010 at 1:48 pm


“Translation – It really doesn’t really matter what the American people think or want. We’re going to do what we want – what we think is best for America.”
You mean like take the country to war over false pretext? Or maybe you mean like nominating Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court, or opening an office of Faith Based Initiatives? Or maybe they’ll ignore international law and begin a systematic program of torture, or reveal covert operations.
No, none of that, Jay’s worried they’ll pass Health care legislation–OMG, what a nightmare!



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Lisa

posted March 18, 2010 at 2:29 pm


Wow, if you actually think that you will receive better health care because the government is involved you are in for a REAL surprise. Healthcare is not a right, it is a privledge. Besides, the biggest issue here is the violation of the constitution right— The government cannot mandate you to have insurance!! Do your research! Come on people, wake up and use your critical thinking skills. Free = tax tax and MORE tax!



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Your Name

posted March 18, 2010 at 2:55 pm


Well We as a people are to provide welfare for ourselves and our Posterity.
welfare- health, happiness, well-being, and good fortune.
We the People of the United States in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity,
do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
C
p.s. Health care does not include a murder tax appropriation attached to any kind of a bill, to be presented as a propriety.



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HG

posted March 18, 2010 at 3:33 pm


“C
p.s. Health care does not include a murder tax appropriation attached to any kind of a bill, to be presented as a propriety.”
That’s the second true thing you’ve said recently, you are on a roll!
(Even if accidental, it’s a big improvement!)



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Jerry Miller

posted March 18, 2010 at 4:18 pm


Am I to take this to mean that, when conservatives are in the majority, it is their duty to rewrite history to cast their irrationality in a less negative light?



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DSJulian

posted March 18, 2010 at 5:12 pm


Republicans are opposed to the health care reform bill for no other reason than President Obama is for it. And even though the bill contains dozens of Reopublican-submitted amendments, not one of them will vote for a bill containing their own suggestions. Democrats are opposed to it because it doesn’t do nearly enough and does not replace our current corrupt for-profit insurance system.
The people voted to elect Obama and yes-we-can change.
The current bill is crap and everybody knows it. But the only way it will get passed is if there is a firm commitment to immediately change it into something closer to what it should have been to begin with, a simple addition to Medicare, extending coverage to everyone.
Tp paraphrase Forrest Gump: Stupak is as stupak does…



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Katy

posted March 18, 2010 at 8:02 pm


Arm-twisting to get votes is disgusting. Threatening someone with consequences if they don’t vote your way is about as undemocratic can you get! WWTFT? (What would the Founders think?)
Like today, when House Minority Leader John Boehner threatened the entire Democratic side of the House of Represenatives. He said if any Democrat who votes for health care reform isn’t re-elected and is instead nominated to a position in the Obama administration, Boehner his very self will block those nominations. Go Constitution!!1!
But that wouldn’t be wrong, would it, Jay? IOKIYAR, I guess, right, Jay? I call Benford’s Law of Controversy for your side, Jay: “Passion is inversely proportional to the amount of real information available.”
The Repubs are getting desperate and lying more than usual. Repubs have used the exact same parliamentary procedures literally dozens of times in the past 30 years, and it was all peachy. Now, not so much.
But ignorant passion looks good on the teevee machine, esp. if your eyes brim with tears when you talk about PATRIOTISM!1!! and the TROOPS!1!! and OUR FREEDOMS!1!! and how THEY’RE GOING TO CRAM HEALTH CARE DOWN OUR THROATS!!1!1!1! NEVER FORGET!!11!
Idiots, all of you.
And, btw, the government can and does force us to buy insurance. Try driving around without car insurance and see how far that gets you. Get stopped by a cop driving without insurance, and your car will be towed away, without you in it. Where in the Constitution does it say that states can mandate auto insurance? Hmmm? You guys are :so: funny sometimes.



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chaz

posted March 18, 2010 at 8:36 pm


DS: To which dozens are you referring? Talk about stupid, why vote for a “crap” bill with the sole intention of changing it. That’s like finding a job just so you can quit. Isn’t congress exempt from this bill? Why? Expanding medicare? The government already owes billions to the program and will have to borrow it somewhere. Many Doctors already refuse to take it; add several thousands more and look for a doctor. Insurance companies ARE for profit companies that are forced through regulations to provide coverage that most of us don’t even need, and we can’t shop for a better rate somewhere else like car insurance. (I don’t even like insurance companies but must defend them.
Katy: The government forces us to buy car insurance as a prerequisite to the privilege of driving. I don’t think they have the same latitude for simply being alive.



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Your Name

posted March 18, 2010 at 9:08 pm


Re: HG, does the Health Care bill include abortion elective services as provided by tax dollars? The p.s. was to indicate that health care is not a murderous beneficiary with tax dollars. So, if this so called health care bill includes abortion elective services as provision equity, well let’s just face it, that would be murdering children through America by government elective officials making it a legal option for Americans to do so. Thus enabling the procedure with the hard working dollar of people who do not want to be a part of the murder itself. C



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Rich

posted March 18, 2010 at 9:48 pm


Let’s face it, Republicans are against any kind of health care reform because they know it will lead to a single payer system and they are only concerned with protecting corporate interests and not with saving or prolonging lives. Our elected reps and senators are human. And, human nature being what it is coupled with the amount of money Republicans and many Democrats receive from health care companies it becomes nearly impossible to put together any meaningful reform. The Republicans have done everything they can to insure that more Americans die than need to. Many Democrats are complicit.
When it comes to Texas, just a bunch of whacked out Christians using the public school systems as a stealth vehicle to promote their pet religion, Jesus and all thing Jesus. Christianity is dying a slow death in this modern age, if they can’t get the kids brainwashed at an early age, they know they are in trouble.



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Boris

posted March 18, 2010 at 11:52 pm


The government cannot mandate you to have insurance!!
Boris says: The government mandates that I have liability insurance on my vehicles or they won’t issue me tags. That’s the law in Virginia. So the government can and does mandate you have insurance. Do you right wing fanatics ever think about what you say?



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Your Name

posted March 19, 2010 at 4:55 pm


Re: Rich
Obviously I am conscerned with prolonging lives, and you? Children developing in the womb are still, lives.
C



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Your Name

posted March 19, 2010 at 4:57 pm


concern- to be of interest or importance to.
c



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Your Name

posted March 21, 2010 at 4:52 pm


Re: Dsjulian
No, I’m not against the Health Care Reform Bill because Obama is for it.
I’m against putting abortion as an elective service by any regulated situtation..Frankly I see it as pre-meditated murder, which should be made illegal, in my eyes.
I don’t believe that we should be forced to carry this insurance.
The national debt concerns me and how this effects it. C



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Current Affairs

posted March 21, 2010 at 6:59 pm


Stupak on board, Obama issues executive order…



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N. Lindzee Lindholm

posted March 21, 2010 at 7:44 pm


We CAN afford life, as Rep. Stupak said, and how can we possibly put a price tag on it? Let’s just remember that less children will equal less jobs for the social service folks, higher unemployment, and higher economic stability…just as it did in North Carolina, a prime example.



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Your Name

posted March 22, 2010 at 2:55 pm


higher economic stability? what? less children?



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Rich

posted March 22, 2010 at 3:00 pm


I am pretty tired of these self-righteous cultists who continually insist that no federal funds be used for an abortion. Abortion is a legal procedure, if a person in consultation with her doctor feels that an abortion is appropriate at that time, then that person should be able to have the abortion regardless of the objections of some backwards evangelical cult members.
This is all just part of the continuing efforts of Christians who believe they have special rights to dictate what others do with their lives. They are not content to run their own lives, they must meddle in the lives of others and feel that they should have some legal right to do so.
Just tired of these folks who have no idea what American freedom is about. I can only hope that someday these folks will move to a country that will welcome their theocratic leanings.



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Your Name

posted March 22, 2010 at 3:29 pm


Rich so you want your money to murder children, eh?
What a guy!!
Sorry they need somebody to protect them from selfish people like you, Rich… who seem to think that their life is some how more important to survive then theirs…
C



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Your Name

posted March 22, 2010 at 3:31 pm


somehow-in a way not specified, understood, or known.



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Vas

posted March 22, 2010 at 4:07 pm


And still these right wing demagogues would place the value of an unborn, unknown, unbreathing fetus higher than the life and health of its mother – without whom it could not survive.
If the pregnant mother dies because she can’t afford the urgent health care she needs, then the blood of the mother and baby both is on the hands of those who refused her health care in the first place.



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Rich

posted March 22, 2010 at 5:04 pm


Your name,
(BTW, there is a box you can fill in where you can actually put in a name rather than the quite clever but a tad bit over-used ‘Your Name’, just saying…)
Clearly, abortion is not murder. However, I can plainly see that you would prefer to throw that term around as if you think it might convince someone of your position. It doesn’t but go ahead.
And now for the real deal Your Name. It is quite obvious that your are a Jesus cultist, most rabid anti-choice totalitarians are. The thing is, as a member of any Christian cult, you have no business yammering on about morality, you wouldn’t know it if it hit you in the face. Your religion is a vile piece of raw excremental violence, always has been, always will be. You guys would use violence to force your fantasy/faith on people rather than allow for people to decide their own path in life. That is the reason why the vast majority of evangelicals put on a good face about abortion but are MIA when it comes to health care, stopping war, restraining unethical businesses, etc, etc. It turns out that Christians only focus on pre-natal life, not on anything after. Go figure.
And, one final thing which I am sure we have covered before. If, as you think, abortion is murder, what penalty would you assign to this “crime” once you get your Jesus-Police in control of the USA? Death penalty? If a woman announced the intent to seek and abortion in JesusLand, would you strap her down in a prison ward bed and force fed her until the baby was born and then send her off to the electric chair? You can talk about how it should be illegal forever but women have been self-inducing abortions since time began. Even in JesusLand, some women will go ahead and defy the Priest-In-Chief and get an abortion. You will need to have penalties in place otherwise the law will have no bite. Don’t bother responding that you will just love the mothers, provide them counseling, etc. That might work for the weak-minded but there will be those who defy you. What will you do to this people in a way that demonstrates your love of human life?



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Your Name

posted March 22, 2010 at 8:19 pm


Rich, clearly you are for murdering people who develop in the womb….
or otherwise….
Did you get paid for it, or are you under some ludicrous mindset that they are not people developing in the womb….
Of course you came from your mother and your dad giving you life to develop in the womb….
And God gave them their life….
C
p.s. Goodnight



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Mr. Incredible

posted March 23, 2010 at 3:56 am


American abortion doctor George Tiller was gunned down in church last year. FOX host, Bill O’Reilly, asked Anne Coulter to condemn the killing.
Coulter said,

“I don’t really like to think of it as a murder. It was terminating Tiller in the 203rd trimester…I am personally opposed to shooting abortionists, but I don’t want to impose my moral values on others.”

EXCELLENT answer! Throws pro-choice=pro-abortion=wrong choice fanatics’ “reasoning” right back in their faces! I love it!



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Mr. Incredible

posted March 23, 2010 at 3:59 am


Rich,
I sense that you need to consult your court-appointed psychiatrist.



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Mr. Incredible

posted March 23, 2010 at 4:06 am


Rich
Your name,
(BTW, there is a box you can fill in where you can actually put in a name rather than the quite clever but a tad bit over-used ‘Your Name’, just saying…)
Mr. Incredible says:
I think you’ll get over it.



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Mr. Incredible

posted March 23, 2010 at 4:14 am


Rich says:
Your Name,
It is quite obvious that your are a Jesus cultist, most rabid anti-choice totalitarians are.
Mr. Incredible asks:
That all you got, lady?
Rich says:
The thing is, as a member of any Christian cult…
Mr. Incredible says:
Christianity is a relationship with God through Christ.
Rich says:
… you have no business yammering on about morality…
Mr. Incredible asks:
Who says?
Rich says:
… you wouldn’t know it if it hit you in the face.
Mr. Incredible says:
Anything you have to say in order to soothe the pain.
Rich says:
Your religion…
Mr. Incredible says:
We don’t have a religion. We have a relationship with God through Christ. Muslims have a religion, for example. Atheism is a religion.
Rich says:
…is a vile piece of raw excremental violence, always has been, always will be.
Mr. Incredible says:
That message is the equivalent of lip-diddling.
Rich says:
You guys would use violence to force your fantasy/faith on people rather than allow for people to decide their own path in life.
Mr. Incredible says:
Virtually all of the violence in this world throughout modern history has been committed by the Godless.



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Mr. Incredible

posted March 23, 2010 at 4:15 am


Rich says:
Your Name,
It is quite obvious that your are a Jesus cultist, most rabid anti-choice totalitarians are.
Mr. Incredible asks:
That all you got, lady?
Rich says:
The thing is, as a member of any Christian cult…
Mr. Incredible says:
Christianity is a relationship with God through Christ.
Rich says:
… you have no business yammering on about morality…
Mr. Incredible asks:
Who says?
Rich says:
… you wouldn’t know it if it hit you in the face.
Mr. Incredible says:
Anything you have to say in order to soothe the pain.
Rich says:
Your religion…
Mr. Incredible says:
We don’t have a religion. We have a relationship with God through Christ. Muslims have a religion, for example. Atheism is a religion.
Rich says:
…is a vile piece of raw excremental violence, always has been, always will be.
Mr. Incredible says:
That message is the equivalent of lip-diddling.
Rich says:
You guys would use violence to force your fantasy/faith on people rather than allow for people to decide their own path in life.
Mr. Incredible says:
Virtually all of the violence in this world throughout modern history has been committed by the Godless.



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Mr. Incredible

posted March 23, 2010 at 3:56 pm


Rich says:
… you have no business yammering on about morality…
Mr. Incredible says:
Whose “morality”?
On what basis, according to what and whose standard, do you say that we “have no business” talking about “morality”?



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Your Name

posted March 23, 2010 at 5:13 pm


Odd that in America, history can now be voted on.
Sorta like extending human rights to gay American citizens can be voted on, instead of holding these truths to be self evident.
Sic transit gloria Americanis.



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HG

posted March 23, 2010 at 6:53 pm


Incred: “Virtually all of the violence in this world throughout modern history has been committed by the Godless.”
I think you could drop the words “virtually” and “modern” since people are, and have always been, Godless. Some ‘believe’ that they are not Godless, creating the illusion of God in their own mind – but not His actual existence. Godless people who professed belief in “God” have been responsible for tremendous violence…Adolph Hitler and George Bush for example.



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Mr. Incredible

posted March 23, 2010 at 11:39 pm


Mr. Incredible says:
Virtually all of the violence in this world throughout modern history has been committed by the Godless.
HG says:
I think you could drop the words “virtually” and “modern” since people are, and have always been, Godless.
Mr. Incredible says:
Of course, that’s garbage.
HG says:
Some ‘believe’ that they are not Godless, creating the illusion of God in their own mind – but not His actual existence.
Mr. Incredible says:
Muslims, for instance.
HG says:
Godless people who professed belief in “God”…
Mr. Incredible says:
Muslims, for instance.
HG says:
…have been responsible for tremendous violence…Adolph Hitler and George Bush for example.
Mr. Incredible says:
It figures that you wouldn’t mention the terrorists who use women and children as shields, for example; who don’t care that their IEDs low up innocents. Everything you post, well, it all makes sense now.



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Mr. Incredible

posted March 23, 2010 at 11:43 pm


Your Name says:
Odd that in America, history can now be voted on.
Sorta like extending human rights to gay American citizens can be voted on, instead of holding these truths to be self evident.
Mr. Incredible says:
What Rights do I have that somebody who chooses to claim to choose to be homosexual doesn’t have?
After all, all those who choose to claim to choose to be homosexual are either male, or female. There is no third sex. So, who’s excluded from the law that defines “marriage” as the union of a man, as husband, and a woman, as his wife?



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HG

posted March 24, 2010 at 12:19 am


Incred: “HG says: I think you could drop the words “virtually” and “modern” since people are, and have always been, Godless.
Mr. Incredible says: Of course, that’s garbage.”
You have no proof, of course. Instead you have a personal relationship with an imaginary being which speaks volumes for your gullibility.
Incred: “HG says: Some ‘believe’ that they are not Godless, creating the illusion of God in their own mind – but not His actual existence.
Mr. Incredible says: Muslims, for instance.
Yes (although they refer to Him as Allah), and Christians, and all who create this illusion.
Incred: “HG says: Godless people who professed belief in “God”…
Mr. Incredible says: Muslims, for instance.”
Yes (Allah), and Christians (God, Jesus), and all who profess belief
in such deities.
Incred: “HG says:…have been responsible for tremendous violence…Adolph Hitler and George Bush for example.
Mr. Incredible says: It figures that you wouldn’t mention the terrorists who use women and children as shields, for example; who don’t care that their IEDs low up innocents.”
Yes, those terrorists also believe in a god and are responsible for violence, though not nearly of the magnitude of Adolph or George. Godless people who believe in a god have proven to be very violent and dangerous indeed.
Incred: “Everything you post, well, it all makes sense now.”
Thank you for noticing, but, of course, it always did.



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Mr. Incredible

posted March 24, 2010 at 1:17 am


HG says:
I think you could drop the words “virtually” and “modern” since people are, and have always been, Godless.
Mr. Incredible says:
Of course, that’s garbage.
HG says:
You have no proof, of course.
Mr. Incredible says:
Of course, I do. You rejected. But so what?
HG says:
Instead you have a personal relationship with an imaginary being…
Mr. Incredible says:
To YOU, anyway. But so what?
HG says:
…which speaks volumes for your gullibility.
Mr. Incredible says:
You need to think that in order to ease your pain.
HG says:
Some ‘believe’ that they are not Godless, creating the illusion of God in their own mind – but not His actual existence.
Mr. Incredible says:
Muslims, for instance.
HG says:
Yes (although they refer to Him as Allah), and Christians, and all who create this illusion.
Mr. Incredible says:
1 Corinthians 2:14 [KJV]
HG says:
Godless people who professed belief in “God”…
Mr. Incredible says:
Muslims, for instance.”
HG says:
Yes (Allah), and Christians (God, Jesus), and all who profess belief
in such deities.
Mr. Incredible says:
1 Corinthians 2:14 [KJV]
HG says:
…have been responsible for tremendous violence…Adolph Hitler and George Bush for example.
Mr. Incredible says:
It figures that you wouldn’t mention the terrorists who use women and children as shields, for example; who don’t care that their IEDs low up innocents.
HG says:
Yes, those terrorists also believe in a god…
Mr. Incredible says:
WHEW! It’s a good thing we don’t believe in god.
HG says:
… and are responsible for violence…
Mr. Incredible says:
They don’t believe in God. They want God to believe in them. He doesn’t.
HG says:
…though not nearly of the magnitude of Adolph or George.
Mr. Incredible says:
Of course we knew all along that you are an apologist for the terrorists like the 19 who crashed airplanes into WTC.
HG says:
Godless people who believe in a god have proven to be very violent and dangerous indeed.
Mr. Incredible says:
WHEW! It’s a good thing that we don’t believe in a god.
HG, misrepresenting what Mr. Incredible wrote and taking it outta context:
“Everything you post, well, it all makes sense now.”
Mr. Incredible says:
Too bad your filthy agenda gets in the way of posting honestly.
HG says:
Thank you for noticing, but, of course, it always did.
Mr. Incredible says:
Had you posted that in context, and read it in context, you would’ve noticed that what I wrote is not a compliment. However, as everyone has noticed, you NEED to take what we write outta context in order to try to make what we say mean something we didn’t mean. That’s how screwed up your head is. Maybe you oughta try a new street pharmie.



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Mr. Incredible

posted March 24, 2010 at 4:24 am


HG says:
Instead you have a personal relationship with an imaginary being…
Mr. Incredible asks:
Is that what you tell your 5-finger “boyfriend”?



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Mr. Incredible

posted March 24, 2010 at 4:45 am


Your Name says:
Odd that in America, history can now be voted on.
Sorta like extending human rights to gay American citizens can be voted on, instead of holding these truths to be self evident.
Mr. Incredible says:
Those ho choose to claim to choose that they are homosexual make the assertion that homosexuality is natural and that so-called “same-sex ‘marriage'” should abound.
The votes we have seen are to discover whether this culture and this society see the same things those who choose to claim to choose to go homosexual say THEY see. So far, the People say they do not see those things, that those who choose to claim to choose that they are homosexual are seeing things that aren’t there.



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Boris

posted March 24, 2010 at 5:49 am


HG,
I pointed out to Mr. Incredible that abortions were legal and openly advertised when the Constitution was ratified and that if the Founders had wanted to make abortions illegal they would have. Then I asked this frightened, brain dead religious fanatic why the Founders didn’t make abortions illegal. Like he does every time he gets cornered he took the coward’s way out and refused to answer the question and instead said it was a “trick question.” One trait every person who believes in Jesus and the Bible shares is cowardice and the only thing incredible about Mr. Incredible is the depth of his cowardice. When he’s not posting lies on Beliefnet he’s groveling on his knees in front of his dominant male authority figure in a homoerotic frenzy while hurling accusations that other people are gay. Exactly what the Catholic priesthood has done for almost 2000 years to hide their gayness and pedophilia. If there’s anything more gay than the Christian religion and the girly men who promote it I haven’t seen or heard of it.



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Boris

posted March 24, 2010 at 5:54 am


Mr. Incredible, when did you choose to become homosexual?



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Your Name

posted March 24, 2010 at 3:45 pm


When an abortion becomes illegal in the state do we have crimes committed under law in this country.
So, the idea of murdering abortionist is at this point an illegal activity. Besides that, when an abortion becomes illegal(which it should) and let’s say the abortionist still preforms the abortion, at that point I believe that the abortionist should be taken to trial and then given a sentence which is approved by state law. I don’t believe in illegal murders anywhere. I do believe in self-protection from murderers.
C



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HG

posted March 24, 2010 at 4:17 pm


“http://Cara
When an abortion becomes illegal in the state do we have crimes committed under law in this country.”
You fail to grasp the fact of the matter. Unless Roe is overturned, no State may outlaw abortion except as noted in the decision (during the stage subsequent to viability) Otherwise, no way, no how under this ruling and this constitution. Under the Roe decision, abortion is a constitutionally protected right, a Blessing of Liberty secured therein for the people. This won’t stop you from saying otherwise, pretending the Court didn’t say what it did, but that won’t change the law.
By the way Cara, what did you mean when you said you thought of Mr. Incredible as an illusion of sorts?



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Mr. Incredible

posted March 24, 2010 at 5:06 pm


Boris asks:
Mr. Incredible, when did you choose to become homosexual?
Mr. Incredible says:
God chose heterosexuality for everybody. Those who choose to claim to choose that they are homosexual chose homosexuality, departing from God’s plan.



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posted March 24, 2010 at 5:10 pm


HG says:
Unless Roe is overturned, no State may outlaw abortion except as noted in the decision (during the stage subsequent to viability).
Mr. Incredible says:
Not true.
Roe, itself, says that states may regulate abortion on a showing of what Roe calls a “legitimate state interest.”
A “legitimate state interest” is Due Process. Only persons and the People get Due Process. Thus, we have Justice Blackmun’s comment, in Roe, itself, that all we have to do is bring legal “personhood” to the Court, and the Court will have to rule the other way.



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posted March 24, 2010 at 5:17 pm


HG,
Most anti-choice maggots usually allow an exception for abortion in the case of incest, rape or if the mother’s life is in serious danger from the pregnancy. So this alone shoots down the claim that abortion is murder. What right would a woman have to murder the child of a rapist, of a relative or terminate a dangerous parasite in her body if abortion was really murder? Cara however, doesn’t believe that abortion is a moral choice even under these extenuating circumstances. She actually posted that she thought women who want to get an abortion should be imprisoned and drugged to the point that they didn’t know they were pregnant and carrying an unwanted fetus until they are forced by the government to give birth. Fortunately most of the rest of the anti-choice fascists don’t agree with Cara’s ideas. You can bet your last dollar that if Cara became pregnant because she was raped by a man of another race, she’d be in the abortion clinic the very next day. Evangelical Christian women get abortions and divorces at a rate 50 percent higher than the national average. 70 percent of evangelical men and 37 percent of evangelical women who apply



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posted March 24, 2010 at 5:23 pm


for positions as baptist missionaries are turned down. Care to guess why? The use of Internet porn, about half of it gay porn. If this high percentage of evangelicals admits to using porn, you can bet that virtually all evangelicals are porn addicts. Impotent closeted homophobic self-hating Christian men and frigid women using porn. The world is a messed up place.



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posted March 24, 2010 at 5:35 pm


Brew-confused Boris says:
HG,
I pointed out to Mr. Incredible that abortions were legal and openly advertised when the Constitution was ratified…
Mr. Incredible says:
And goofy Boris just plain refuses to provide evidence, like a link to a legitimate, uncorrupted, unbiased site.
Brew-confused Boris says:
…and that if the Founders had wanted to make abortions illegal they would have.
Mr. Incredible says:
Which is no proof, of course, of their intention.
Brew-confused Boris says:
Then I asked this frightened, brain dead religious fanatic why the Founders didn’t make abortions illegal.
Mr. Incredible says:
Why don’t you first provide uncorrupted, unbiased, legitimate evidence, like some sites, that they considered it and decided not to do so?
Brew-confused Boris says:
Like he does every time he gets cornered he took the coward’s way out and refused to answer the question…
Mr. Incredible says:
Translation: “Mr. Incredible answers the question. I just refuse to accept the answer, and I accuse him of not answering the question cuz his answer doesn’t exist cuz I refuse to accept it.”
Brew-confused Boris says:
…and instead said it was a “trick question.”
Mr. Incredible corrects two-headed Boris:
Of course, you have to make up things you say I’ve said when I haven’t said them.
Show us ONE POST where I’ve said that you asked a “trick question.” JUST ONE.
Brew-confused Boris says:
One trait every person who believes in Jesus and the Bible…
Mr. Incredible says:
At least you show respect for Jesus on the Word of God by capitalizing “Jesus” and the “Bible.”
Brew-confused Boris says:
…shares is cowardice…
Mr. Incredible says:
Translation: “Failure to surrender and agree with me on all my stupid, street-pharm ideas is cowardice.”
Brew-confused Boris says:
… and the only thing incredible about Mr. Incredible is the depth of his cowardice.
Mr. Incredible says:
Romans 8:1 [KJV]
Brew-confused Boris says:
When he’s not posting lies on Beliefnet he’s groveling on his knees in front of his dominant male authority figure in a homoerotic frenzy while hurling accusations that other people are gay.
Mr. Incredible says:
Say, di’ju ever find out which one-a yo’ mamma’s five boyfriends is yo’ daddy?
Brew-confused Boris says:
If there’s anything more gay than the Christian religion and the girly men who promote it I haven’t seen or heard of it.
Mr. Incredible says:
A few years ago, scientists had some spare plugs and electrodes and hooked a butt-sniffin’ chimpanzee’s brain up to a computer. I gotta hunch YOU’re that chimp. So, howzit goin’, Zippy?



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posted March 24, 2010 at 7:05 pm


Mr. Incredible says:
And goofy Boris just plain refuses to provide evidence, like a link to a legitimate, uncorrupted, unbiased site.
Boris says: Why did the states begin to pass their own anti-abortion legislation, which was eventually found to be unconstitutional by the Supreme Court?
Mr. Incredible says:
Why don’t you first provide uncorrupted, unbiased, legitimate evidence, like some sites, that they considered it and decided not to do so?
Boris says: Because they never even considered it.
Mr. Incredible says:
Translation: “Mr. Incredible answers the question. I just refuse to accept the answer, and I accuse him of not answering the question cuz his answer doesn’t exist cuz I refuse to accept it.”
Boris says: Saying something is not relevant or calling well-established facts “speculation” are not satisfactory answers. They are proof you have no answers.
Read it and weep:
Brew-confused Boris says:
…and instead said it was a “trick question.”
Boris says:
Mr. Incredible
March 4, 2010 11:21 PM
Boris
March 4, 2010 10:59 PM
If the Founders wanted abortions to be illegal they would have made them illegal.
———————————————————–
That statement, of course, is a cheap trick.
Mr. Incredible corrects two-headed Boris:
Of course, you have to make up things you say I’ve said when I haven’t said them.
Boris says: No, as I just proved it is YOU who makes things up and claims they didn’t say them. We’ll wait while you pull your foot out of your mouth liar. ROFL!
Show us ONE POST where I’ve said that you asked a “trick question.” JUST ONE.
Boris says: Wanna see it again? Oh you will. You aren’t going to live this one down. I’ll post it every day that you stay on this blog so that everyone knows what a liar you are.
Mr. Incredible says:
At least you show respect for Jesus on the Word of God by capitalizing “Jesus” and the “Bible.”
Boris says: I capitalize the Koran and Allah too. Unlike you, I have respect for good spelling and grammar.
Mr. Incredible says:
Translation: “Failure to surrender and agree with me on all my stupid, street-pharm ideas is cowardice.”
Boris says: No, surrendering to the fear induced superstitions of OTHER PEOPLE about the Bible is what makes you a coward.
Mr. Incredible says:
Romans 8:1 [KJV]
Boris says: Yes, the Bible has many defenses against free-inquiry and critical thinking. These are the words of men written to get other men to follow them blindly. And so you do.
Mr. Incredible says:
Say, di’ju ever find out which one-a yo’ mamma’s five boyfriends is yo’ daddy?
Boris says: If there was a hell, you’d be going there just for saying that.
Mr. Incredible says:
A few years ago, scientists had some spare plugs and electrodes and hooked a butt-sniffin’ chimpanzee’s brain up to a computer. I gotta hunch YOU’re that chimp. So, howzit goin’, Zippy?
Boris says: I have a hunch that chimp’s a lot smarter than you are.



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posted March 24, 2010 at 7:06 pm


Boris: “She actually posted that she thought women who want to get an abortion should be imprisoned and drugged to the point that they didn’t know they were pregnant and carrying an unwanted fetus until they are forced by the government to give birth.”
Yes, I got a chuckle out of that exhange between you.
Most people I’ve talked with express some disapproval of the idea of abortion as a routine contraceptive, but they don’t want it outlawed. Personally, there’s no difference between a person’s first abortion and their eighth, although I would acknowledge that the morning after pill strikes me as a ‘better’ approach. I don’t know how affordable the pills are, so, that might create public resistance. Like most medical needs deferred, it becomes more costly and invasive. If you put it off too long, you have a child; talk about costly and invasive! (Kidding, I love my ‘little’ Airman 1st class)



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posted March 24, 2010 at 7:22 pm


“Mr. Incredible says:
Say, di’ju ever find out which one-a yo’ mamma’s five boyfriends is yo’ daddy?”
I woulda been your daddy, but that dog beat me over the fence!
“Boris says: If there was a hell, you’d be going there just for saying that.”
There isn’t, so I’m worried, heh.
“Mr. Incredible says:
A few years ago, scientists had some spare plugs and electrodes and hooked a butt-sniffin’ chimpanzee’s brain up to a computer. I gotta hunch YOU’re that chimp. So, howzit goin’, Zippy?
Boris says: I have a hunch that chimp’s a lot smarter than you are.”
LMAO, you know dang well it is!



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posted March 24, 2010 at 7:28 pm


Mr. Incredible says:
And goofy Boris just plain refuses to provide evidence, like a link to a legitimate, uncorrupted, unbiased site.
Boris says: Why did the states begin to pass their own anti-abortion legislation, which was eventually found to be unconstitutional by the Supreme Court?
Mr. Incredible says:
Cuz legal “personhood”, the suggestion thereof, has not been established.
Today, there are about 10 states fashioning laws around what Justice Blackmun said in Roe, itself.
Mr. Incredible says:
Why don’t you first provide uncorrupted, unbiased, legitimate evidence, like some sites, that they considered it and decided not to do so?
Boris says: Because they never even considered it.
Mr. Incredible says:
YOU made the assertion. YOU provide the evidence, via some uncorrupted, unbiased, legitimate site.
Mr. Incredible says:
Translation: “Mr. Incredible answers the question. I just refuse to accept the answer, and I accuse him of not answering the question cuz his answer doesn’t exist cuz I refuse to accept it.”
Boris says: Saying something is not relevant or calling well-established facts “speculation” are not satisfactory answers.
Mr. Incredible says:
To YOU, anyway.
Boris says:
They are proof you have no answers.
Mr. Incredible says:
I gave you answers. I answered. You rejected them all. So what?
Boris says:
Read it and weep:

Brew-confused Boris says:
…and instead said it was a “trick question.”
Boris says:
Mr. Incredible
March 4, 2010 11:21 PM
Boris
March 4, 2010 10:59 PM
If the Founders wanted abortions to be illegal they would have made them illegal.
———————————————————–
That statement, of course, is a cheap trick.
Mr. Incredible corrects two-headed Boris:
Of course, you have to make up things you say I’ve said when I haven’t said them.
Boris says: No, as I just proved it is YOU who makes things up and claims they didn’t say them. We’ll wait while you pull your foot out of your mouth liar. ROFL!
Mr. Incredible says:
Show us ONE POST where I’ve said that you asked a “trick question.” JUST ONE.

Mr. Incredible says:
Notice that you accused me of cheating you of asking, in YOUR words, “a trick question.” You quoted me as saying that I used the word, “a trick question.” I didn’t. Your “proof” proves what I said, and it isn’t what YOU say I said.
Boris says: Wanna see it again? Oh you will. You aren’t going to live this one down. I’ll post it every day that you stay on this blog so that everyone knows what a liar you are.
Mr. Incredible says:
Oh, you mean spam?
Mr. Incredible says:
At least you show respect for Jesus on the Word of God by capitalizing “Jesus” and the “Bible.”
Boris says: I capitalize the Koran and Allah too. Unlike you, I have respect for good spelling and grammar.
Mr. Incredible says:
And, by so doing, you show respect for the things you say you don’t believe. Bold hypocrisy.
Mr. Incredible says:
Translation: “Failure to surrender and agree with me on all my stupid, street-pharm ideas is cowardice.”
Boris says:
No…
Mr. Incredible says:
Yes.
Boris says:
… surrendering to the fear induced superstitions of OTHER PEOPLE about the Bible is what makes you a coward.
Mr. Incredible says:
Surrendering to God through Christ and Their promises! What a deal!
Mr. Incredible says:
Romans 8:1 [KJV]
Boris says:
Yes, the Bible has many defenses against free-inquiry and critical thinking.
Mr. Incredible says:
So do you.
Boris says:
These are the words of men…
Mr. Incredible says:
The Words of God.
Boris says:
…to get other men to follow them blindly. And so you do.
Mr. Incredible says:
I follow the Truth, not blindly, rather according to the reason God gave me. Not the “reason” YOU try to give me.
Mr. Incredible says:
Say, di’ju ever find out which one-a yo’ mamma’s five boyfriends is yo’ daddy?
Boris says:
If there was a hell…
Mr. Incredible says:

“Faustus: I think hell’s a fable.

Mephistophilis: Ay, think so still — till experience change thy mind!”

Boris says:
… you’d be going there just for saying that.
Mr. Incredible says:
Who says? YOU?? That’s a laugh.
Mr. Incredible says:
A few years ago, scientists had some spare plugs and electrodes and hooked a butt-sniffin’ chimpanzee’s brain up to a computer. I gotta hunch YOU’re that chimp. So, howzit goin’, Zippy?
Boris says:
I have a hunch that chimp’s a lot smarter than you are.
Mr. Incredible says:
Y’see, you’re supposed to raise the bar, not lower it.



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posted March 24, 2010 at 7:30 pm


Notice that you accused me of cheating you of asking — — >Notice that you accused me of accusing you of asking



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posted March 24, 2010 at 7:46 pm


Mr. Incredible says:
God chose heterosexuality for everybody. Those who choose to claim to choose that they are homosexual chose homosexuality, departing from God’s plan.
Boris says:
Then how do you explain all the people who try to fight their same sex attractions?
Mr. Incredible says:
They have been inundated by “suggestive” impulses. They receive them. They act on them. They are from the sin nature. Thus, they believe them to be natural. They aren’t. They’re filthy.
Boris says:
Are those people choosing to fight urges that they purposely gave themselves?
Mr. Incredible says:
It’s a crazy world, isn’t it.
Boris says:
For what reason would a person put them self through that kind of mental anguish?
Mr. Incredible says:
People do the craziest things, huh.
Boris says:
What about all the people who Christians claim have been cured of their homosexuality?
Mr. Incredible asks:
What about them?
Boris says:
Careful, those are “trick questions.”
Mr. Incredible says:
We are not ignorant of your devices.
Boris says:
Go ahead take the coward’s way out AGAIN…
Mr. Incredible says:
I haven’t yet.
Boris says:
…and say my questions are irrelevant…
Mr. Incredible says:
If they are irrelevant, I say they are irrelevant. I must be honest. Sorry you can’t accept that. Bartles and James has an effect on you.
Boris says:
This alone, shoots down your stupid argument…
Mr. Incredible says:
You have-ta choose to believe anything that will relieve your pain.
Boris says:
… that, and the fact that the God of the Bible doesn’t exist…
Mr. Incredible says:
Except that He does. You can’t accept what you don’t acknowledge. That doesn’t mean that what you don’t acknowledge isn’t there.
Boris says:
… and Jesus Christ never existed.
Mr. incredible says:
And a great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great multitudes of witnesses say otherwise.
Boris says:
Go ahead type “many” 20 times now as if that could convince even you of what you now know isn’t true because of me.
Mr. Incredible says:
Except that God, through Christ, has already persuaded me. That’s all I need. The Lord is MY Shepherd. Not you.
Boris says:
Brain science research from the pit of hell shows that homosexuality is caused by a combination of genetic, hormonal, and environmental influences, with biological factors involving a complex interplay of genetic factors in early uterine environment.
Mr. Incredible says:
There is no conclusive, unbiased, uncorrupted, scientific evidence to show it.
However, you’re correct to say that what you said right there is from the pit of Hell. Right next door to you, apparently.
Boris says:
So once again Incredibly Fearful of Science…
Mr. Incredible says:
God didn’t give me a spirit of fear. So, I’m not fearful.
Boris says:
… you most [sic] argue against science…
Mr. Incredible says:
I don’t argue against Science any more than the Catholic Church argued against Science as it developed scientific empiricism.
Boris says:
… to promote your hokey religious beliefs.
Mr. Incredible says:
You believe that cuz your evil websites told you to believe it.
Boris says:
You know your beliefs you claim aren’t religious…
Mr. Incredible says:
I tried to get it through your two heads that Christianity is not a religion, rather a relationship with God, through Christ.
Boris says:
…but that you demand a religious tax exemption for…
Mr. Incredible says:
Ever hear of the so-called “separation of Church and State”?
Boris says:
Trip over your own hypocrisy much do you?
Mr. Incredible says:
You have-ta believe that hypocrisy in order to maintain all your lies. However, we are not ignorant of your devices.



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posted March 24, 2010 at 7:50 pm


Boris says:
I have a hunch that chimp’s a lot smarter than you are.
Mr. Incredible asks:
That all you got, lady? Awfully wienie.



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posted March 24, 2010 at 8:02 pm


It’s entirely possible that Belial Boris is an al-Qaeda/Taliban plant, an operative of the kind that has been talked about in the news recently.
These agents invade blogs and create commotions and kick up dust and, as in this case, intend purposely and purposefully to attack Christianity.
Of course, Belial Boris won’t let on to this by promoting Islam; and, so, he tries to divert attention from any hint of his being such-a hacker by goin’ off on ALL of what he terms “religious” activity. This is his cover.
Just a thought…



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posted March 24, 2010 at 8:35 pm


Mr. Incredible,
I have read about these terrorist operatives infiltrating blogs like this, just to create chaos and drive people away because they don’t want to deal with it. Their purpose, just like the devil, is to drive people away from belief in God and his word. I think that real Christians should stand and fight, contend for the faith, just as Paul said. I’m glad that you and Cara stand against them.
I read where you said that these people who claim NOT to believe are here, on a site, for discussion of belief. If they don’t believe, why are they here on a site named “Beliefnet” where belief is discussed. Are they discussing their belief when they say they don’t have a belief? It seems to me that they are expressing a belief. If not, what is it?? What kind of dual-mindedness is that?



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posted March 24, 2010 at 8:43 pm


Thor…
You can’t be more correct!
Atheism is a belief system. Atheists believe something. They don’t not believe something. Atheism is not an absence of belief. It is a belief. Atheists believe that God doesn’t exist, that He can’t hurt anybody.
However, if He doesn’t exist and He can’t hurt anybody, what’s there for them to discuss??? They spend their time and effort discussing something they say doesn’t exist and can’t hurt them! So, what are they defending against??
I would call it, “The Seinfeld Predicament.” Atheists trying to make something from nothing, even though their “nothing” — they say they don’t believe — is something cuz they are here discussing something — their belief. What a bunch-a hypocrites!



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posted March 24, 2010 at 8:46 pm


Boris says:
I have a hunch that chimp’s a lot smarter than you are.
Mr. Incredible asks:
Aren’t there some live wires around your trailer that need your touch?



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posted March 24, 2010 at 8:51 pm


Thor…
The war plan picked up from their handlers is to create such a fuss on a blog so as to cause people to be allergic to posting. Then, these “blog terrorists” blame people like us, when, in fact, THEY are the ones who introduced chaos. They tried to cover up that fact. That fact gets lost in all the dust kicked up, and that’s the plan. Convenient.
It takes a moderator with a keen eye to spot all this. Most are not up to it. That’s why I’m here.



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posted March 24, 2010 at 9:00 pm


Mr. Incredible,
Thank God through Christ for you and Cara!
Kindly yours,
Thor Tilla



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posted March 24, 2010 at 9:10 pm


Anywho…
To try to get this thing back on subject [we know that Belial Boris will be along with his hate any minute now to try to disrupt the discussion]…
The secularists, so-called, say that it’s okay for the public school to teach Greek and Roman gods and goddesses. They say that is not promotion, though it is is a religious activity in public school cuz it gives students instruction about, well, religion. It may be in the historical context but religious teaching nevertheless.
They say that it’s not okay for the public school to teach God. They say that, to teach God, is promotion, and that it is religious teaching, even though it may be in the historical context.
Can you say “hypocrisy”?



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posted March 24, 2010 at 9:52 pm


“I have read about these terrorist operatives infiltrating blogs like this, just to create chaos and drive people away because they don’t want to deal with it. Their purpose, just like the devil, is to drive people away from belief in God and his word.”
First, any ‘terrorist operatives’ are likely to be dominionist Christian theocrats, many of whom are currently under investigation by the FBI for attacks and threats of violence.
Second, I do not want to drive anyone away from their beliefs, I think that is an impossible task under our constitution which holds them to be an individual, unalienable, right.
Third, I have never heard any atheist say that they had ‘no beliefs’.
I am agnostic, and I do have beliefs. As an agnostic I acknowledge the fact that I do not know that “God” (any version) is non-existent.
I know that nobody knows whether there “is” or there “isn’t”, and anybody who says they do know is lying. My interest in this blog as an agnostic is to counter those opinions which would, wrongly, insert religion into the sphere of government. Many of the topics presented here touch upon the separation of religion from government, and surely you recognize that I am as entitled to express my opinion here as you.
Incred: “What a bunch-a hypocrites!”
Incred: “Aren’t there some live wires around your trailer that need your touch?”
Isn’t that hypocritical? Isn’t it taking a traditionally “love thy neighbor”, “do unto others”, religion and turning it into a “please kill yourself” religion?
Only an over-zealous fanatic with little option would get swept into such a thing.



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posted March 24, 2010 at 11:14 pm


Thor Tilla says:
I have read about these terrorist operatives infiltrating blogs like this, just to create chaos and drive people away because they don’t want to deal with it. Their purpose, just like the devil, is to drive people away from belief in God and his word.
HG says:
First, any ‘terrorist operatives’ are likely to be dominionist Christian theocrats…
Mr. Incredible says:
But they’re not.
HG says:
… many of whom are currently under investigation by the FBI for attacks and threats of violence.
Mr. Incredible says:
I’m against attacks and threats of violence, but, to use the method of thinking of the anti-life fanatics, I’m not gonna try to impose my Morality on others.
HG says:
Second, I do not want to drive anyone away from their beliefs…
Mr. Incredible says:
And, yet, you try. It’s not working, but you try.
HG says:
I think that is an impossible task under our constitution which holds them to be an individual, unalienable, right.
Mr. Incredible says:
Where does the Constitution say that beliefs are an individual, unalienable Right?
HG says:
Third, I have never heard any atheist say that they had ‘no beliefs’.
Mr. Incredible says:
Well, then, you haven’t been paying attention.
HG says:
I am agnostic…
Mr. Incredible says:
Yes, you say you are.
HG says:
… and I do have beliefs.
Mr. Incredible says:
Oh, so you just don’t express them well. We see.
HG says:
As an agnostic I acknowledge the fact that I do not know that “God” (any version) is non-existent.
Mr. Incredible says:
Romans 1:20 [KJV]
HG says:
I know that nobody knows whether there “is” or there “isn’t”…
Mr. Incredible says:
Just cuz YOU don’t doesn’t mean everybody else doesn’t.
HG says:
… and anybody who says they do know is lying.
Mr. incredible says:
If you don’t know, then you don’t know whether they are lying. To say, then, that they are lying is a lie.
HG says:
My interest in this blog as an agnostic is to counter those opinions which would, wrongly, insert religion into the sphere of government.
Mr. Incredible says:
However, you are trying to cut are those opinions that are inserted into this blog. This blog named “Beliefnet,” a place of discussion about belief.
Since, as you claim, you are an agnostic, and, as such, as you claim, you don’t know one way, or the other, you are saying that you don’t have a belief.
The proper term for your condition is “confusion.”
HG says:
Many of the topics presented here touch upon the separation of religion from government…
Mr. Incredible asks:
Of the so-called “separation of religion from government” is a speculative notion.
HG says:
…and surely you recognize that I am as entitled to express my opinion here as you.
Mr. Incredible says:
However, this site centers on belief. It does not center on confusion. It does not center on unbelief. Atheists, for instance, say they have no belief. They do, but they say they don’t. So, if they don’t, what are they discussing here?
Mr. Incredible says:
What a bunch-a hypocrites!
Mr. Incredible says:
Aren’t there some live wires around your trailer that need your touch?
HG says:
Isn’t that hypocritical?
Mr. Incredible says:
No.
HG says:
Isn’t it taking a traditionally…
Mr. Incredible says:
“Traditionally”? The Word of God tells those who are born again not to align themselves with “traditions of men.”
HG says:
…”love thy neighbor”…
Mr. Incredible asks:
If you don’t recognize that God exists, whose tradition is it to “love thy neighbor”?
HG says:
…”do unto others”…
Mr. Incredible says:
What tradition is that, given that you say that you don’t recognize that God exists?
HG says:
…religion…
Mr. Incredible says:
Christianity is not a religion. It is a relationship with God to which God calls us through Christ. We understand that scoffers don’t know the difference. [1 Corinthians 2:14]
HG says:
… and turning it into a “please kill yourself”…
Mr. Incredible says:
Where, in His Word, does He say, “please kill yourself”?
HG says:
… religion?
Mr. Incredible says:
Christianity is not a religion. It is a relationship with God to which God calls us through Christ. We understand that scoffers don’t know the difference. [1 Corinthians 2:14]
HG says:
Only an over-zealous fanatic with little option would get swept into such a thing.
Mr. Incredible says:
Islam, which is a religion, calls Muslims to be overzealous fanatics with little option. We understand that.



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posted March 24, 2010 at 11:38 pm


Mr. Incredible says:
What a bunch-a hypocrites!
Aren’t there some live wires around your trailer that need your touch?
HG says:
Isn’t that hypocritical?
Mr. Incredible says:
How would YOU know? YOU say you don’t know whether there is, or isn’t, God. If you don’t know that, you can’t know the Truth. If you can’t know the Truth, you can’t know what, biblically, is hypocritical.
HG says:
Isn’t it taking a traditionally “love thy neighbor,” “do unto others”, religion and turning it into a “please kill yourself” religion?
Mr. Incredible asks:
Biblically, is EVERYONE my neighbor? No. [Ephesians 5:11]
Biblically, “do” WHAT “unto others”?



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posted March 25, 2010 at 1:09 am


Mr. Incredible says:
Christianity is not a religion. It is a relationship with God to which God calls us through Christ. We understand that scoffers don’t know the difference. [1 Corinthians 2:14]
This “relationship” with God / Jesus Christ is really an odd relationship, one-sided to say the least. The Christian doesn’t have the freedom to hold opinions contrary to the Bible so they aren’t allowed to think for themselves. What kind of a relationship is that? Who wants a “relationship” with someone that requires you to obey and agree with everything they say or be punished with unimaginable violence for all eternity? That is NOT a healthy relationship. Our society views such relationships as abusive, perverse and harmful to the mental health of the victims of these relationships. Only a very insecure person, devoid of anything to take pride in and extremely unsure of them self would desire such a relationship. Christianity isn’t a relationship it’s a religion. If we look at the American Heritage Dictionary definition for “religion” we find: 1a. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe. b. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship. 2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order. 3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader. 4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion. Christianity as it is believed and practiced certainly falls into these definitions without a problem.
Atheism on the other hand does not fit ANY of these definitions. Calling atheism a religion is like calling baldness a hair color or disbelief in Santa Claus a religion. Atheism has no belief in the supernatural, no institutionalized system of worship, no religious order, no teachings based on a spiritual leader, and atheists are not zealously devoted to any particular principles. By calling atheism a religion fundamentalist Christians believe they can argue that the government’s approach to separation of church and state favors one religion (atheism) over another. This would supposedly give them grounds in court when trying to do things like placing crosses and nativity scenes on public property and the 10 Commandments in public buildings and forcing their creation fairytale in our public school science classes. When debunking the lies and propaganda of Christian apologists and evangelists and the liars like Mr. I. who spread their nonsense you should also point out to the impartial and partial observers the reasons the Christians are spreading the particular Christian lies you are debunking.
This is the reason for atheism: Unbelief, disbelief or whatever you want to call it is the natural position to take on anything, any subject until something has been proved about it. The existence of God has not been proved. Therefore atheism is the natural position to take on the existence of God. As I pointed out the Christian position is one of cowardice.



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posted March 25, 2010 at 1:38 am


“Mr. Incredible says I’m against attacks and threats of violence, but, to use the method of thinking of the anti-life fanatics, I’m not gonna try to impose my Morality on others.”
I do not know to whom you refer as “anti-life fanatics”, perhaps the Supreme Court due to the Roe decision, but in trying to overturn their ruling you are in effect trying to impose “your Morality” (as I perceive it) on others.
“You’re Morality” being to suggest life threatening activities to people who merely disagree with you on a blog and effectively call non-believers vile, corrupt, etc. How theocratic of you to try and inflict your beliefs upon others. What beliefs do I inflict upon others? The words of a Supreme Court DECISION. Nothing to do with ones beliefs, but rather the law.
“HG says: Second, I do not want to drive anyone away from their beliefs…
Mr. Incredible says: And, yet, you try. It’s not working, but you try.”
Where? Cite it or admit the lie you have told. I don’t care what anyone believes regarding an afterlife or god, I do care if they try to make me a second class citizen for NOT believing as they do. And I am free to submit my belief that God, and all supernatural beings, are imaginary and always have been. Seems obvious to me, but I don’t care if you believe otherwise.
“Mr. Incredible says: Where does the Constitution say that beliefs are an individual, unalienable Right?”
I didn’t say that the Constitution “said” it. Unlike you, when I say something or somebody “says” something, I use a quote. I said it holds beliefs as individual inalienable rights, which it does by declaring “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.” That is to say that no legislation can touch ones belief. That is reserved to each individual. You read it differently? I wouldn’t be surprised. What beliefs should be dictated? Believe in Jesus or sit at the rear of the bus? What beliefs should be government business or policy? None, because that’s what the Constitution says.
“HG says: Third, I have never heard any atheist say that they had ‘no beliefs’.
Mr. Incredible says: Well, then, you haven’t been paying attention.”
Oh yes, I’ve been paying some attention as you well know. Thrashed your arguments. I don’t read every bit of every comment, no, so perhaps you would be so good as to put it in quotes for me since you seem to have the information. No? I didn’t think so. Once again, your lie is called without response, that’s my guess. Make me wrong by showing me the quote. It should be obvious to anyone reading by now that you are not worth listening to, except as a curiosity–a study in ignorance.
“HG says: I know that nobody knows whether there “is” or there “isn’t”…
Mr. Incredible says: Just cuz YOU don’t doesn’t mean everybody else doesn’t.”
In this case, it does. Any such claimant should get a free ride to a padded room and lots of therapy unless they prove it. Feeling that something is true, believing that it is, are not the same as KNOWING as a fact. Claims made on heresay are speculation. Speculation stubbornly adhered to as fact without proof is lie. Those who accept lie as truth are self deluded. That’s you.
“HG says:… and anybody who says they do know is lying.
Mr. incredible says: If you don’t know, then you don’t know whether they are lying. To say, then, that they are lying is a lie.”
I know that they don’t know, therefore I know that they are lying (mainly to themselves). Blind acceptance of a fairy tale (a pretty bad one by current standards) does not yield knowledge as people who require “proof” would define it.
“HG says: My interest in this blog as an agnostic is to counter those opinions which would, wrongly, insert religion into the sphere of government.
Mr. Incredible says: However, you are trying to cut are those opinions that are inserted into this blog. This blog named “Beliefnet,” a place of discussion about belief.”
Cut what? Unintelligible (not unusual). When I’m on this blog I refer to topics and comments on this blog, duh. Look at the topic list of Beliefnet, bone-head. You think I should hold no opinion concerning any of these topics? Why, because I insist that there is a Constitutional separation of religion from government? You really don’t know much at all. Astoundingly little. I think you refuse knowledge selectively. You simply refuse delivery of fact, plug your ears and sing loud hymns until they go away. Fascinating.
“Since, as you claim, you are an agnostic, and, as such, as you claim, you don’t know one way, or the other, you are saying that you don’t have a belief.
The proper term for your condition is “confusion.”
As usual, your “tranlation” misses badly. I say I don’t know one way or the other, not that I hold no beliefs, or opinions on beliefs, or on topics presented here. You have terrible reading comprehension. I came straight out and TOLD you I have beliefs on the topics presented here and on the comments made. I think the term that best fits you is brain damaged. Maybe a little chromosomal instability like Boris was talking about too. Strange creature you are.
“HG says: Many of the topics presented here touch upon the separation of religion from government…
Mr. Incredible asks: Of the so-called “separation of religion from government” is a speculative notion.”
A speculative notion shared by the Framer, and Founding Father, James Madison who noted it was strongly guarded in the Constitution, and by the Supreme Court whose job it is to interpret the Constitution… “³The [First] Amendment¹s purpose was … to create a complete …separation of … religious activity and civil authority by …forbidding every form of public aid or support for religion.² The same conclusion has been firmly maintained ever since [Everson, 1947] …and we reaffirm it now. [U.S.Sup.Ct.(8 to 1), 6-17-1963]”
Some speculation!!! BOOM, goes another Incredibly dumb argument.
Ya know, I was going to go through the rest of your crap post, as I noticed some very shreddable statements, lies, and distortions; but why should I bother? You’re a nut. Roe is in no jeopardy from you, only the truth, and I can’t fix that, you can’t overcome your prediliction to misrepresentation. You have no option but to embrace your lies and stick to them. Pitiful. Too pitiful to waste more of my time on.



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posted March 25, 2010 at 1:41 am


March 25, 2010 1:09 AM
Mr. Incredible says:
Christianity is not a religion. It is a relationship with God to which God calls us through Christ. We understand that scoffers don’t know the difference. [1 Corinthians 2:14]
Boris says:
This “relationship” with God / Jesus Christ is really an odd relationship…
Mr. Incredible says:
From the perspective of a scoffer, that’s true. From the position of reality, however, is false.
Boris says:
…one-sided to say the least.
Mr. Incredible says:
It is one-sided cuz it is not Man who sought out God. It is God who sought out Man.
Boris says:
The Christian doesn’t have the freedom to hold opinions contrary to the Bible…
Mr. Incredible says:
No need to hold opinions contrary to the Word of God. The Word of God is the Truth. I glorify God — that is, have a very high opinion of Him — cuz I love Him, and cuz He has performed with He said He would perform. He has held true to His Promises.
Those whom the Lord has made free are free indeed. Knowledge of the Truth makes one free.
Boris says:
… So they aren’t allowed to think for themselves.
Mr. Incredible says:
Of course, that’s trash. Lying trash.
Those who love God, through Christ, are free to think. They are free to glorify themselves. However, if they glorify themselves, they cannot walk with God, through Christ.
Boris says:
What kind of a relationship is that?
Mr. Incredible says:
Scoffers will never know.
Boris says:
Who wants a “relationship” with someone that requires you to obey and agree with everything they say…
Mr. Incredible says:
No one is required to obey and agree with everything He says. You don’t.
It all depends on whether you wanna be saved, or not. It all depends on how much you love God and His Son. If you don’t, then you won’t.
Boris says:
…or be punished with unimaginable violence for all eternity?
Mr. Incredible says:
Who does the punishing?
Boris says:
That is NOT a healthy relationship.
Mr. Incredible says:
It’s not a healthy relationship for you to turn your back on Him, then complain when He doesn’t perform according to YOUR satisfaction. You don’t listen to Him; He doesn’t listen to you. Real simple.
Boris says:
Our society views such relationships as abusive, perverse and harmful to the mental health of the victims of these relationships.
Mr. Incredible says:
No, it doesn’t.
Boris says:
Only a very insecure person, devoid of anything to take pride in and extremely unsure of them self would desire such a relationship.
Mr. Incredible says:
Prove it.
Boris says:
Christianity isn’t a relationship…
Mr. Incredible says:
Yes, it is.
Boris says:
…it’s a religion.
Mr. Incredible says:
No, it isn’t.
Boris says:
If we look the American Heritage Dictionary…
Mr. Incredible says:
The dictionary is not a lawgiver. It is a history of usage book. A work of fallible men. It is not expert on the teachings of God, through Christ. God and Christ defined the relationship.
Boris says:
…definition for “religion” we find… blah blah blah…
Mr. Incredible says:
Again, the dictionary is not a lawgiver. It records the history of usage. It is a work of fallible men. It is not expert on the teachings of God, through Christ. God and Christ define the relationship.
Boris says:
Atheism on the other hand does not fit ANY of these definitions.
Mr. Incredible says:
However, atheism is a belief in something. It is not absence of belief. The belief is about the supernatural. The proof is that you are here expressing that belief. It is not a belief, what are you defending? What are you defending against?
Boris says:
Calling atheism a religion is like calling baldness a hair color or disbelief in Santa Claus a religion.
Mr. Incredible says:
Non sequitur.
Boris says:
Atheism has no belief in the supernatural…
Mr. Incredible says:
Belief IS in the supernatural.
Boris says:
…no institutionalized system of worship…
Mr. Incredible says:
None needed.
Boris says:
…no religious order…
Mr. Incredible says:
None needed.
Boris says:
… no teachings based on a spiritual leader…
Mr. Incredible says:
YOU people are its the spiritual leaders.
Boris says:
…and atheists are not zealously devoted to any particular principles.
Mr. Incredible says:
You prove that that’s a lie.
Boris says:
By calling atheism a religion fundamentalist Christians…
Mr. Incredible says:
Jesus was fundamentalist.
Boris says:
…believe they can argue that the government’s approach to separation of church and state favors one religion (atheism) over another.
Mr. Incredible says:
Another life.
Boris says:
This would supposedly give them grounds in court when trying to do things like placing crosses and nativity scenes on public property and the 10 Commandments in public buildings and forcing their creation fairytale in our public school science classes.
Mr. Incredible says:
You mean like when the public school teaches Greek and Roman gods and goddesses? I thought so.
Boris says:
When debunking the lies and propaganda of Christian apologists and evangelists and the liars like Mr. I….
Mr. Incredible says:
You have yet to do so.
Boris says:
…who spread their nonsense…
Mr. Incredible says:
1 Corinthians 2:14 [KJV]
Boris says:
…you should also point out to the impartial and partial observers the reasons the Christians are spreading the particular Christian lies you are debunking.
Mr. Incredible says:
Screwtape couldn’t have said it better.
Boris says:
This is the reason for atheism: Unbelief, disbelief or whatever you want to call it is the natural position to take on anything…
Mr. Incredible says:
Essentially what the Devil said in the Garden of Eden.
Boris says:
…any subject until something has been proved about it.
Mr. Incredible asks:
Prove that “love” exists.
Prove that “beauty” exists.
Boris says:
The existence of God has not been proved.
Mr. Incredible says:
It has, but you reject it. That’s not our fault. But so what?
Boris says:
Therefore atheism is the natural position to take on the existence of God.
Mr. Incredible says:
Yes, a religion.
Boris says:
As I pointed out the Christian position is one of cowardice.
Mr. Incredible says:
Romans 8:1 [KJV]



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posted March 25, 2010 at 2:55 am


Mr. Incredible says:
I’m against attacks and threats of violence, but, to use the method of thinking of the anti-life fanatics, I’m not gonna try to impose my Morality on others.
HG says:
I do not know to whom you refer as “anti-life fanatics”…
Mr. Incredible says:
Pro-choice = pro-abortion = wrong-choicers
HG says:
…perhaps the Supreme Court due to the Roe decision…
Mr. Incredible says:
No, SCOTUS, in Roe, itself, speaks of life. It is a gift to pro-life for SCOTUS to tell us that all we have to do is to present the Court the legal definition of “personhood.” Then, the Court says, the Court will rule the other way.
HG says:
…But in trying to overturn their ruling…
Mr. Incredible says:
I already told you — you must be blind, relying on a screwed-up text-to-speech gizmo — that I want not for Roe to be overturned. It’s too valuable to pro-life, given the gift of Justice Blackmun.
HG says:
…you are in effect trying to impose “your Morality” (as I perceive it) on others.
Mr. Incredible says:
You people are trying to impose what you loosely referred to as your “morality” on us.
HG says:
“You’re Morality” being to suggest life threatening activities to people who merely disagree with you on a blog…
Mr. Incredible says:
A little dramatic.
HG says:
… and effectively call non-believers vile, corrupt, etc.
Mr. Incredible says:
“Effectively”? Either I did, or I didn’t. Which is it?
There you go, making arguments, and arguing against what you’ve made up. You tell those things to your imaginary girlfriend… or, more likely, your boyfriend?
HG says:
How theocratic of you to try and inflict your beliefs upon others.
Mr. Incredible says:
I’ve never tried to inflict my beliefs on anyone. You can take my beliefs, or leave them. Eternity is up to you. But YOU do doesn’t impact me.
HG says:
What beliefs do I inflict upon others?
Mr. Incredible says:
There isn’t space enough here to re-post everything you’ve written to show what you tried to inflict on others.
HG says:
The words of a Supreme Court DECISION. Nothing to do with ones beliefs, but rather the law.
Mr. Incredible says:
And SCOTUS says that, in order for the unborn person to get the protection of the Fourteenth Amendment, the Court needs a legal definition of “personhood.”
HG says:
Second, I do not want to drive anyone away from their beliefs…
Mr. Incredible says: And, yet, you try. It’s not working, but you try.
HG says:
Where?
Mr. Incredible says:
In the pages of these blogs.
HG says:
Cite it or admit the lie you have told.
Mr. Incredible says:
There isn’t space enough here to re-post everything you’ve written to show what you have tried to inflict on others.
HG says:
I don’t care what anyone believes regarding an afterlife or god…
Mr. Incredible says:
Your post say otherwise.
HG says:
…I do care if they try to make me a second class citizen
Mr. Incredible says:
No one has the power to MAKE you, nor anybody else, any kind of citizen. Otherwise, my posts would’ve taken complete control of you and converted you. They didn’t. That proves I made you nothing.
HG says:
And I am free to submit my belief that God, and all supernatural beings, are imaginary and always have been.
Mr. Incredible says:
Nobody is stopping you. By the way, seen any UFOs lately?
HG says:
Seems obvious to me, but I don’t care if you believe otherwise.
Mr. Incredible says:
Then, what’s the use of your posting here?
Mr. Incredible says:
Where does the Constitution say that beliefs are an individual, unalienable Right?
HG says:
I didn’t say that the Constitution “said” it.
Mr. Incredible says:
You said that is in the Constitution. Where? Tell us where, or admit that you lied. Actually, it doesn’t matter whether you admit it, or not, cuz we know you do.
HG says:
Unlike you, when I say something or somebody “says” something, I use a quote.
Mr. Incredible says:
It’s not required to quote everybody every time. Paraphrasing is perfectly proper. However, YOU said that it’s in the Constitution. I suppose it’s right next to the place where it says “separation of Church and State” and “privacy.”
HG says:
I said it holds beliefs as individual inalienable rights…
Mr. Incredible says:
Where?
HG says:
…which it does by declaring “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.”
Mr. Incredible says:
So, what you wrote is only YOUR interpretation of what the Constitution says. Well, your interpretation doesn’t match what the Constitution says. It says only that Congress shall make no law…
HG says:
That is to say that no legislation can touch ones belief.
Mr. Incredible says:
I might believe that I have the Right to go as fast as I want down the freeway. The speed limit changes that. Further argument about it changes it further. It imposes upon me to believe I didn’t have earlier. It infringes upon my belief. Of course, that’s ridiculous.
HG says:
That is reserved to each individual.
Mr. Incredible says:
Your quote of the First Amendment refers to Congress, not us.
HG says:
You read it differently?
Mr. Incredible says:
Apparently.
HG says:
I wouldn’t be surprised.
Mr. Incredible says:
So what?
HG says:
What beliefs should be dictated?
Mr. Incredible asks:
By whom?
HG says:
Believe in Jesus or sit at the rear of the bus?
Mr. Incredible says:
Where is that in the Word of God?
HG says:
What beliefs should be government business or policy?
Mr. Incredible says:
Anything that doesn’t force, by punishment, something one wants not to believe. Merely speaking is not imposing. Merely speaking is not necessarily promotion.
HG says:
None, because that’s what the Constitution says.
Mr. Incredible says:
The government — that is, the State — may say anything it wants and you don’t have-ta like it. However, the State may not inflict punishment to get you to believe what it wants, in the area of “religion.”
HG says:
Third, I have never heard any atheist say that they had ‘no beliefs’.
Mr. Incredible says:
Well, then, you haven’t been paying attention.
HG says:
Oh yes, I’ve been paying some attention as you well know.
Mr. Incredible says:
“Some” attention. We know you’re having trouble keeping a grip on your mind what with all the teargas shells exploding, pepper spray clouds encasing her property, cruiser sirens blaring and gunshots just outside your trailer.
HG says:
Thrashed your arguments.
Mr. Incredible says:
You’d like to think you have. Haven’t.
HG says:
I don’t read every bit of every comment, no…
Mr. Incredible says:
That is a problem. Not mine, though.
HG says:
… so perhaps you would be so good as to put it in quotes for me since you seem to have the information.
Mr. Incredible asks:
Put what in qotes?
HG says:
Once again, your lie is called without response, that’s my guess.
Mr. Incredible says:
And, once again, you don’t know what you’re talkin’ about.
HG says:
Make me wrong by showing me the quote.
Mr. Incredible says:
What quote?
HG says:
It should be obvious to anyone reading by now that you are not worth listening to, except as a curiosity–a study in ignorance.
Mr. Incredible says:
Nobody is twistin’ your arm to respond. If they are, tell them I told you to tell them to stop it.
HG says:
I know that nobody knows whether there “is” or there “isn’t”…
Mr. Incredible says:
Just cuz YOU don’t doesn’t mean everybody else doesn’t.
HG says:
In this case, it does.
Mr. Incredible says:
No, it doesn’t.
HG says:
Any such claimant should get a free ride to a padded room and lots of therapy unless they prove it.
Mr. Incredible says:
Authority been done. You reject it. But so what?
HG says:
Feeling that something is true, believing that it is, are not the same as KNOWING as a fact.
Mr. Incredible says:
Whose “facts”? Certainly not the “facts” YOU claim to be facts.
HG says:
Claims made on heresay are speculation.
Mr. Incredible says:
As with evolution.
HG says:
Speculation stubbornly adhered to as fact without proof is lie.
Mr. Incredible says:
I agree that macro-evolution is a lie.
HG says:
Those who accept lie as truth are self deluded [sic]
Mr. Incredible says:
Why are you talking to yourself??.
HG says:
… and anybody who says they do know is lying.
Mr. Incredible says:
If you don’t know, then you don’t know whether they are lying. To say, then, that they are lying is a lie.
HG says:
I know that they don’t know…
Mr. Incredible says:
You don’t know that they don’t know.
HG says:
…therefore I know that they are lying (mainly to themselves).
Mr. Incredible says:
If you don’t know that they don’t know, and you don’t know that they are lying. They, however, know that YOU are lying.
HG says:
Blind acceptance…
Mr. Incredible says:
Acceptance of the Word of God is not blind. The Word of God opens eyes.
HG says:
… of a fairy tale…
Mr. Incredible says:
Great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great multitudes throughout history prove that it is no fairytale.
HG says:
… does not yield knowledge…
Mr. Incredible says:
“Hath God said…?”
HG says:
… as people who require “proof” would define it.
Mr. Incredible says:
Fallible people.
HG says:
My interest in this blog as an agnostic is to counter those opinions which would, wrongly, insert religion into the sphere of government.
Mr. Incredible says:
However, you are trying to counter those opinions that are inserted into this blog. This blog named “Beliefnet,” a place of discussion about belief.
HG says:
When I’m on this blog I refer to topics and comments on this blog, duh. Look at the topic list of Beliefnet, bone-head.
Mr. Incredible says:
We are extremely pleased to hear that YOU believe your special needs program is helping you, but, to us, we notice no change.
HG says:
You think I should hold no opinion concerning any of these topics?
Mr. Incredible says:
An opinion would be based on a belief. You say you have no belief, one way, or the other, on whether God exists. So, what opinion?
HG says:
Why, because I insist that there is a Constitutional separation of religion from government?
Mr. Incredible says:
Yeah, right next to where it says “privacy” and that other thing you said is in there.
HG says:
You really don’t know much at all.
Mr. Incredible says:
Translation: “You don’t agree with me, and, so, that means you don’t know much at all.”
HG says:
Astoundingly little.
Mr. Incredible asks:
Then, why waste your time with me? You put in so much trouble posting, and I need hardly a few minutes to post an answer to all your trash. You don’t know how easy it is.
HG says:
I think you refuse knowledge selectively.
Mr. Incredible says:
You’re correct that I select out what you say you think is “knowledge” but is, in reality, speculation and, well, garbage.
HG says:
You simply refuse delivery of fact…
Mr. Incredible says:
I refuse delivery of what you choose to claim to be “facts.”
HG says:
… plug your ears…
Mr. Incredible says:
I plug my ears against the propaganda you peddle here.
HG says:
…and sing loud hymns until they go away. Fascinating.
Mr. Incredible says:
James 4:7
Mr. Incredible says:
Since, as you claim, you are an agnostic, and, as such, as you claim, you don’t know one way, or the other, you are saying that you don’t have a belief.
The proper term for your condition is “confusion.”
HG says:
I say I don’t know one way or the other, not that I hold no beliefs, or opinions on beliefs, or on topics presented here.
Mr. Incredible says:
If you don’t know one way, or the other, whether there is God, you can’t have a belief one way, or the other. So, you can’t express a belief you don’t have. It’s all rhetoric.
HG says:
You have terrible reading comprehension.
Mr. Incredible says:
Translation: “You don’t agree with me, and, so, it must mean that you can’t read.”
HG says:
I came straight out and TOLD you I have beliefs on the topics presented here and on the comments made.
Mr. Incredible says:
You said that you don’t know whether there is God. One way, or the other.
In that empty-headed condition, there can be no belief. If there is no belief, what can be the believe that you can’t express here?? None. And that’s what’s in your posts.
HG says:
I think the term that best fits you is brain damaged.
Mr. Incredible says:
You’re just frustrated cuz-a my punishing assaults on your positions. You know that.
HG says:
Maybe a little chromosomal instability…
Mr. Incredible says:
The statement immediately above is proof that Beliefnet provides access for those with mental disabilities.
HG says:
Strange creature you are.
Mr. Incredible says:
The Devil says that, too. But so what?
HG says:
Many of the topics presented here touch upon the separation of religion from government…
Mr. Incredible asks:
Of the so-called “separation of religion from government” is a speculative notion.”
HG says:
A speculative notion shared by the Framer, and Founding Father, James Madison who noted it was strongly guarded in the Constitution, and by the Supreme Court whose job it is to interpret the Constitution…

“³The [First] Amendment¹s purpose was … to create a complete …separation of … religious activity and civil authority by …forbidding every form of public aid or support for religion.² The same conclusion has been firmly maintained ever since [Everson, 1947] …and we reaffirm it now. [U.S.Sup.Ct.(8 to 1), 6-17-1963]

Some speculation!!! BOOM, goes another Incredibly dumb argument.
Mr. Incredible says:
As Belial Boris would say, if the Framers wanted to phrasing, “separation of Church and State,” in the Constitution, they would-a written it there. They didn’t.
HG says:
I was going to go through the rest of your crap post…
Mr. Incredible says:
There is a vision of you sitting on the pot, and whatever comes out flows right onto your computer and write out onto the Internet and into these pages.
HG says:
… as I noticed some very shreddable [sic] statements, lies, and distortions; but why should I bother?
Mr. Incredible says:
Translation: “Everything you write disagrees with me, and, so, they are ‘shreddable’ statements, lies and distortions.”
HG says:
You’re a nut.
Mr. Incredible says:
That statement is proof we can talk to the dead, but cannot communicate with them.
HG says:
Roe is in no jeopardy from you…
Mr. Incredible says:
Is in jeopardy from Justice Blackmun who gave pro-life a gift, by saying that all we need to do is bring to the Court legal “personhood,” and that the Court, then, will give the unborn person constitutional protection.
HG says:
… only the truth…
Mr. Incredible asks:
Whose “truth”? Yes, YOUR “truth” is in jeopardy.
HG says:
… you can’t overcome your prediliction to misrepresentation.
Mr. Incredible says:
I’ve misrepresented nothing. I, however, have caught you in some heavy misrepresentations.
HG says:
You have no option but to embrace your lies and stick to them.
Mr. Incredible says:
Your intelligence is just another Elvis sighting.
HG says:
Too pitiful to waste more of my time on.
Mr. Incredible says:
Finally.



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posted March 25, 2010 at 3:39 am


Pretty amazing that Belial Boris and his disciple, HG, are lettin’ me swat’em ’round like this.



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posted March 25, 2010 at 3:45 am


CORRECTION

Another life. — — > Another lie.



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posted March 25, 2010 at 4:36 am


“Mr. Incredible says:
Is in jeopardy from Justice Blackmun who gave pro-life a gift, by saying that all we need to do is bring to the Court legal “personhood,” and that the Court, then, will give the unborn person constitutional protection.”
No, Blackmun reasoned that If legal personhood had been established before the court it WOULD HAVE given the unborn constitutional protection. he then went on to find in the DECISION, that such was NOT established. There is no going back, or doing it some other time. The time was then, the case was decided then. The decision is that the use of the word “person” as used in the Fourteenth Amendment does not apply to the unborn. Never has, never will. Precedent. Too bad you’ve spent so much time cultivating a dumb mistake like this. Pitiful.



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posted March 25, 2010 at 5:34 am


HG says:
Blackmun reasoned that If legal personhood had been established before the court it WOULD HAVE given the unborn constitutional protection.
Mr. Incredible says:
I never argued otherwise.
HG says:
he then went on to find in the DECISION, that such was NOT established.
Mr. Incredible says:
I never argued otherwise.
HG says:
There is no going back, or doing it some other time.
Mr. Incredible says:
If the suggestion of “personhood” wasn’t established then, his wording leaves no doubt that somebody can take what he says and use it in the next case. After all, if the establishment of a suggestion of “personhood” was sufficient then, it’s sufficient now.
HG says:
The decision is that the use of the word “person” as used in the Fourteenth Amendment does not apply to the unborn.
Mr. Incredible says:
As far as the suggestion of “personhood” not having been established at that time. Justice Blackmun says, in Roe, itself, that the mere suggestion of the establishment of “personhood” will change all that.
HG says:
Too bad you’ve spent so much time cultivating a dumb mistake like this.
Mr. Incredible says:
Too bad you spent so much time trying to cultivate an answer to your mistaken notion that I made a dumb mistake.



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posted March 25, 2010 at 6:00 am


Justice Blackmun SAYS it in Roe. We can read it today, and his words SAY what he wrote. The action of his words, his voice in those words, continues to speak.



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posted March 25, 2010 at 6:34 am


Incred: “HG says: There is no going back, or doing it some other time.
Mr. Incredible says: If the suggestion of “personhood” wasn’t established then, his wording leaves no doubt that somebody can take what he says and use it in the next case. After all, if the establishment of a suggestion of “personhood” was sufficient then, it’s sufficient now.”
Ah-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah. Excuse me, AHHHHHH-HHHAAAAAAHHHAAAAHHHAAAA-Ha-hah-hah, whew, hah, hah, ha, whoa. No, see, that isn’t the way The Court works. The Supreme Court, in deciding the outcome of cases, decides law and sets precedent which MUST be followed thereafter. To do otherwise is unconstitutional. All cases WILL be decided based on the ruling of The Court that: “…the word “person,” as used in the Fourteenth Amendment, does not include the unborn.” That was the decision of The Court. That is the law from now on without any ifs ands or buts.
Where Justice Blackmun considered the argument that the Fourteenth should apply to the unborn was in the summary of arguments, which he included in the opinion but ruled against in the decision. Law, forever more. Period. No re-do’s at this level. Also (a), (b), and (c) in the ruling become constitutional law, and precedent. The ONLY way for the Fourteenth to EVER cover the unborn is for the Roe decision to be OVERTURNED. That’s it. Ah, hah, hah, and
that isn’t going to happen under this constitution. It’s over, and it’s been over since January 22, 1973.



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posted March 25, 2010 at 7:16 am


Incred: “After all, if the establishment of a suggestion of “personhood” was sufficient then, it’s sufficient now.”
I’m sorry, I just had to post it again. I’m LMFAO here! HAHHH-HAHH-HHHHAAAAAAA-AH-HAH-HA-AH-aHHH-AHHHhhh, Oh man, whew, that’s a good one, hahhahahahahahahahahahahhahahhahahahhahahhah, I can’t stop laughing! Somebody call 911!! Oh, man, oh man. Whooo-hoo-hoo. Incred. wants to go back and insert something into the record prior to thirty seven years ago to alter history! Ah-hah-hah. Wow, that may be the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard, and certainly one of the funniest. Oh man. Oh, that’s a beauty! Priceless! Hah-Hah-hahahahhahahahahha…oh boy, thanks for this laugh, it’s terrific. Oooooo, man, spilled my coffee and everything HAHHAHAHHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAH, every time I think of it! Oh, boy. Thanks Incred., I haven’t laughed like this in quite a while! I’m sure I’ll still get the giggles over it through-out the day! AHHHH-HAH-AHH-HAH-HAH, OH GOD, PHEW, HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHAH–OOOOOEEEEEEYY. Just a figure of speech, hoo man, I can’t stop! Oh, boy….that’s great. Really precious!



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posted March 26, 2010 at 11:43 am


HG,
Good stuff, probably way over the head of Mr. Incredible. He or she has been working that “personhood” schtick from quite awhile now. I guess he sees something that real constitutional lawyers are just too stupid to see. The power of faith I suppose, not that he actually sees anything but that he can convince himself that he does.
It is always interesting to tune in, both Mr. Incredible and Your Name (Cara) are just totally freakin’ fixated on abortion. The topic could be premium vs. regular gas and those two would immediately start talking about abortion. Must be ODC or something.



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posted March 26, 2010 at 12:09 pm


Try to imagine what Incredible is going through right now. From me, he found out that every Christian college and university in the world that has a science department teaches evolution, common descent, Big Bang cosmology and all the rest of the science he insists is from the pit of hell. That shocked him as anyone who read his response to that can see. Obviously he’s never set foot on a college campus. I presented Incredible with insurmountable problems in the text of the Bible he had no idea existed. His reaction to the reincarnating Midianites was priceless. Incredible watched as we mutilated and mocked his stupid person hood argument, his last hope for turning American women into government owned breeding animals. He admitted that he believes sex is not for pleasure but only for procreation. So since Incredible has never enjoyed sex, at least not with the opposite sex, he can’t stand the fact that the rest of us can and do. This is what the anti-choice movement is all about: other people, enjoying sex and intimacy while sexually hung-up Christians cannot. It’s all about jealousy and envy, two of the most base human emotions. But then Christianity uses the most base of all human emotions to indoctrinate its victims: fear. Mr. Incredible is the most frightened homophobic person I’ve ever encountered. And now thanks to us, he’s more frightened than he’s ever been in his life. If you can call what he does living that is.



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posted March 26, 2010 at 3:15 pm


Rich: “Good stuff… …not that he actually sees anything but that he can convince himself that he does.
It is always interesting to tune in…”
Yes, doesn’t the Emperor look stunning in his new duds!
It is interesting to ‘tune in’ here. Doesn’t it seem to you that more people are showing up, making good comments, lately? I’ve enjoyed many of your posts here too, along with those of Cronus, Boris, DSJ, hlvanburen…a growing list of reasonable, thinking, individuals. Of course, it’s nice of Cara and Incred. to provide such large, stationary, targets too!
Boris: “And now thanks to us, he’s more frightened than he’s ever been in his life.”
Perhaps, but I think we know what his reaction will be to the various thumpings he has taken. Oh yes, we know.



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posted March 30, 2010 at 6:26 am


Boris says:
From me, he found out that every Christian college and university in the world that has a science department teaches evolution, common descent, Big Bang cosmology and all the rest of the science he insists is from the pit of hell.
Mr. Incredible says:
However, they don’t teach Science as something above God. They teach something below God. They teach it as a way to know the Creation God made. To understand.
Boris says:
I presented Incredible with insurmountable problems in the text of the Bible he had no idea existed.
Mr. Incredible says:
And I rebuffed and rebutted all of them Each and every one of them that, incidentally, you plagiarized.
Boris says:
Incredible watched as we mutilated and mocked his stupid person hood argument…
Mr. Incredible says:
Your psychoses have been duly noted.
Boris says:
..his last hope for turning American women into government owned breeding animals.
Mr. Incredible says:
I’d say that you’re WWAAAAYYYY stupid, if I wasn’t aware of your mental illness.
Boris says:
He admitted that he believes sex is not for pleasure but only for procreation.
Mr. Incredible says:
Of course, I never said that.
Boris says:
So since Incredible has never enjoyed sex, at least not with the opposite sex…
Mr. Incredible says:
You’re trying to distract from your own sexual identity sufferings by lying.
Boris says:
he can’t stand the fact that the rest of us can and do.
Mr. Incredible says:
Like German shepherds. We get it.
Boris says:
This is what the anti-choice movement…
Mr. Incredible says:
Translation:

“This is what the anti-pro-kill-the unborn-by-choice movement…”

Boris says:
…is all about: other people, enjoying sex and intimacy while sexually hung-up Christians cannot.
Mr. Incredible says:
You’re a regular propaganda machine, aren’t you. And you believe it all, too.
Boris says:
It’s all about jealousy and envy, two of the most base human emotions.
Mr. Incredible advises:
Then you oughta go and have it looked at by a competent mental health professional.
Boris says:
But then Christianity uses the most base of all human emotions to indoctrinate its victims: fear.
Mr. Incredible says:
We don’t use fear. Neither does God. Neither does Jesus.
People make their own choices, and they are responsible for them. Unless you’re saying that we have some kind-a control over people; but, then, one would have-ta wonder why YOU haven’t been converted by such powerful “fear.”
Boris says:
Mr. Incredible is the most frightened homophobic person…
Mr. Incredible says:
Well, you’ve accused me of being homosexual, and, now, you say I’m homophobic. Which is it? Of course, I’m neither.
Boris says:
… I’ve ever encountered.
Mr. Incredible says:
You people must be threatened. Afraid. You people spend so much time and effort on Cara and me, and it must mean that you people are afraid that we’re getting through. It’s a good sign. If we were no threat, you would just blow us off.
Boris says:
And now thanks to us, he’s more frightened than he’s ever been in his life.
Mr. Incredible says:
“Frightened”?? You must be kidding, right.
If I were afraid of you, I wouldn’t be here.
Boris says:
If you can call what he does living that is.
Mr. Incredible says:
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posted March 30, 2010 at 6:39 am


Boris says:
And now thanks to us, he’s more frightened than he’s ever been in his life.
Mr. Incredible says:
“Frightened” of what??? YOU???
Jesus Christ has already defeated the works of the Devil that flow from you; and I am the beneficiary of the work of Christ. Anything you people say bounces off-a me like Superman.



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posted March 30, 2010 at 7:01 pm


Rich,
A little off the subject but pertinent to the “religionists”!! The people who are fixated on abortion, the so-called “pro-lifers”, are really just “pro-birth”. As for “life”, they are content to pull the fetus out of the “frying pan” (the womb) and then throw the helpless infant into the “fire” (life). In so many cases those who call themselves “pro-life” stand with the Republicans in the way of preparing the “born child” to compete for his/her share of the American pie; and they wonder why there are so many people in our unemployment lines and prisons. That’s kind of like how they did the slaves; they freed them but didn’t do a thing to make it possible to make it as free people; no education; no vote; no 40 acres and a mule; no nothing!! Nope, ideological religionist Republicans aren’t “pro-life”, they are just “pro-birth”!!



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posted March 30, 2010 at 10:13 pm


Mr. Incredible says:
And I rebuffed and rebutted all of them Each and every one of them that, incidentally, you plagiarized.
Boris says: When I asked you how the Midianites could have been totally annihilated by Moses and the Israelites and then reappear so numerous they were like locusts on the land just two generations later you replied that this was not important to your “spiritual journey.” No body gives a rats’ butt about your journey of religious superstitions. The question was how do you reconcile this insurmountable problem in the text? You can’t, no one can. It’s one of the many proofs that the Bible is of human origin. Where was Rachel buried? What was Solomon’s mother’s name? Was Jesus crucified before or after the Passover meal was eaten? Who killed Goliath? Go ahead Bible man answer those questions for us. I DARE you.
Mr. Incredible says:
We don’t use fear. Neither does God. Neither does Jesus.
Boris says: Well coming from someone who hasn’t actually read the Bible I would expect that stupid answer. What does the Bible say is the beginning of wisdom? Who told you the Bible was true?
Mr. Incredible says:
Well, you’ve accused me of being homosexual, and, now, you say I’m homophobic. Which is it? Of course, I’m neither.
Boris says: Both, just like Catholic priests and every other overly religious male.



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posted April 1, 2010 at 12:05 am


Mr. Incredible says:
And I rebuffed and rebutted all of them Each and every one of them that, incidentally, you plagiarized.
Boris says:
When I asked you how the Midianites could have been totally annihilated by Moses and the Israelites and then reappear so numerous they were like locusts on the land just two generations later you replied that this was not important to your “spiritual journey.”
Mr. Incredible says:
We already know that you preclude yourself from accepting any evidence we have. So what?
Boris says:
No body gives a rats’ butt about your journey of religious superstitions.
Mr. Incredible asks:
Then, why do you waste your time and effort?
Boris says:
The question was how do you reconcile this insurmountable problem in the text?
Mr. Incredible says:
There is no problem in the Text. The problem is in your two heads.
Boris says:
You can’t, no one can.
Mr. Incredible says:
It’s irrelevant to the spiritual journey which scoffers, like you, can’t understand after all, what we say in the Light is not heard in the darkness. The darkness does not comprehend the Light. The natural man — the scoffer, like you — can’t understand spiritual things. God allows the “wise” to be utterly confused. In other words, you are perplexed by your own confusion, and you know it.
Boris says:
It’s one of the many proofs that the Bible is of human origin.
Mr. Incredible says:
Except that the Word of God is not of human origin.
Boris says:
Where was Rachel buried?
Mr. Incredible says:
Irrelevant to the spiritual journey.
Boris says:
What was Solomon’s mother’s name?
Mr. Incredible says:
Irrelevant to the spiritual journey.
Boris says:
Was Jesus crucified before or after the Passover meal was eaten?
Mr. Incredible says:
Passover is the sprinkling of the blood of the sacrificial lamb/Lamb in order to defeat the works of the Devil. It’s irrelevant when Jesus ate the meal.
Boris says:
Who killed Goliath?
Mr. Incredible says:
(1Sa 17:49) And David put his hand in his bag, and took thence a stone, and slang it, and smote the Philistine in his forehead, that the stone sunk into his forehead; and he fell upon his face to the earth.
(1Sa 17:50) So David prevailed over the Philistine with a sling and with a stone, and smote the Philistine, and slew him; but there was no sword in the hand of David.
Boris says:
Go ahead Bible man answer those questions for us. I DARE you.
Mr. Incredible says:
Done and done.



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posted April 1, 2010 at 2:26 am


Mr. Hutaree,
You really haven’t read much of the Bible. I can tell. Have you read 2Samuel 21:19? “Again, war with the Philistines broke out at Gob, and Elhanan son of Jair, of Bethlehem, killed Goliath of Gath, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam.” The Bible says Elhanan killed Goliath whose shaft was like that of a weaver’s beam. So who was it David or Elhanan? I know – not important to your superstitious journey. ROFL! These errors in the text of the Bible are important to the rest of us because they prove the Bible isn’t what you claim it is.



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posted April 1, 2010 at 2:31 am


By the way Mr Hutaree, “Irrelevant to the spiritual journey” is not a satisfactory response to the internal inconsistencies in the text of the Bible. I think someone hit you in the head with a stone. You’re certainly an easy target. The people on this blog have pelted pretty good.



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posted April 1, 2010 at 2:56 am


Boris, munchin’ on a “he-biscuit,” says:
You really haven’t read much of the Bible.
Mr. Incredible says:
Which “Bible”? Who hasn’t?
Boris, munchin’ on a “he-biscuit,” says:
I can tell.
Mr. Incredible says:
Can tell what?
Boris, munchin’ on a “he-biscuit,” says:
Have you read 2Samuel 21:19?

“Again, war with the Philistines broke out at Gob, and Elhanan son of Jair, of Bethlehem, killed Goliath of Gath, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam.”

The Bible…
Mr. Incredible asks:
Which “Bible”?
Boris, munchin’ on a “he-biscuit,” says:
…says Elhanan killed Goliath whose shaft was like that of a weaver’s beam. So who was it David or Elhanan?
Mr. Incredible says:

(2Sa 21:19) [KJV] And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam.

For all your bragging about intelligence, you’re not very intelligent. You didn’t research that verse very well, did you. You didn’t even bother to tell us what version from which you manipulated that verse.
Anyway, The King James Version — that is, the Word of God, preserved in English — shows that, in this case, it is the brother who was killed, by Elhanan.
Again, you’ve been shown to be a fraud. And you know it.
Boris, munchin’ on a “he-biscuit,” says:
These errors in the text of the Bible…
Mr. Incredible asks:
Which “Bible”?
Boris, munchin’ on a “he-biscuit,” says:
… are important to the rest of us because they prove the Bible isn’t what you claim it is.
Mr. Incredible says:
B-b-b-b-b-but I just showed everybody how dishonest you are by your not posting the phrasing of the verse that says the brother of Goliath was killed by Elhanan. So, we know that it’s important to YOU people to misquote the Word of God to try to make Him say what YOU people want Him to say rather than what He actually says.
You didn’t quote the Word of God; you misquoted it, of course. Just as the Devil tried to do to Jesus in the wilderness.
Boris, munchin’ on a “he-biscuit,” says:
… “Irrelevant to the spiritual journey” is not a satisfactory response…
Mr. Incredible says:
“Not a satisfactory response” by whose standard? YOURS??? HA! I don’t care whether it’s satisfactory to you, or not.
Boris, munchin’ on a “he-biscuit,” says:
… to the internal inconsistencies…
Mr. Incredible says:
What, the internal inconsistencies in your two heads.
Boris, munchin’ on a “he-biscuit,” says:
… in the text of the Bible.
Mr. Incredible asks:
Which “Bible”?
Boris, munchin’ on a “he-biscuit,” says:
I think someone hit you in the head with a stone.
That you can’t get your own lines? You’re supposed to raise the bar. Well, how can we expect anybody like you to raise the bar when you can’t even lift the bar. The only bar you know is the one at the local tavern.
Boris, munchin’ on a “he-biscuit,” says:
You’re certainly an easy target.
Mr. Incredible says:
Well, you thought so until I showed you to be dishonest.
Boris, munchin’ on a “he-biscuit,” says:
The people on this blog have pelted pretty good.
Mr. Incredible says:
That’s what they think, anyway. But so what? They think so many stupid things.



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posted April 1, 2010 at 3:39 am


Boris, munchin’ on a “twinkie,” says:
You’re certainly an easy target.
Mr. Incredible says:
It’s easy for people like you who routinely make things up.



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posted April 1, 2010 at 3:44 am


Well, Homobot Boris, what about 2 Samuel 21:19 and my absolutely swattin’ you around about it? Still hurts, doesn’t it? Gee, that’s too bad. But it appears that you like it.



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posted April 1, 2010 at 3:50 am


Bubble-butthead Boris says:
…the Bible…
Mr. Incredible asks:
Which “Bible”?
Bubble-butthead Boris says:
… isn’t what you claim it is.
Mr. Incredible says:
Yes, we agree that there are many contradictions between what Scripture says and what you want Scripture to say. You got us there.



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posted April 1, 2010 at 3:56 am


Boris says: You fell right into my trap just like I knew you would. The word for brother doesn’t appear in either the Hebrew or Greek Septuagint. It is an interpolation, a later addition added by English translators. You deceptively ignored the fact that the word “brother” is in italics which means it wasn’t in the original text but was added for “clarification.” In other words the translators said “Oops we better fix this now that the moronic masses can read the text.” I used the New Jerusalem Bible’s translation, which is the most accurate English translation of the Old Testament there is. The word brother doesn’t appear in the NIV, NRSV or any of the later more accurate translations. The Bible wasn’t written in English or English speaking people. It was written in Hebrew and Greek, two languages you don’t know the first thing about.



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posted April 1, 2010 at 4:00 am


Talk about being swatted around. Mr. Hutaree just went splat. ROFL!



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posted April 1, 2010 at 4:07 am


Then, explain 2 Samuel 21:22. SWAT!



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posted April 1, 2010 at 4:12 am


2 Samuel 21 is clear that there were several slayings of giants. David was not the only one who killed a giant, as is cleared up in 2 Samuel 21:22. SWAT!



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posted April 1, 2010 at 4:16 am


And don’t forget 1 Chronicles 20:5.



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posted April 1, 2010 at 4:21 am


“Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim – slew – Goliath the Gittite – Here is a most manifest corruption of the text, or gross mistake of the transcriber; David, not Elhanan, slew Goliath. In 1Ch_20:5, the parallel place, it stands thus: “Elhanan, the son of Jair, slew Lahmi, the brother of Goliath the Gittite, whose spear-staff was like a weaver’s beam.” This is plain; and our translators have borrowed some words from Chronicles to make both texts agree. The corruption may be easily accounted for by considering that ????? oregim, which signifies weavers, has slipped out of one line into the other; and that ??? ????? beith hallachmi, the Beth-lehemite, is corrupted from ?? ???? eth Lachmi; then the reading will be the same as in Chronicles. Dr. Kennicott has made this appear very plain in his First Dissertation on the Hebrew Text, p. 78, etc.
— Adam Clarke’s Commentary on the Bible

Mr. Incredible says:
So, it appears that 1 Chronicles 20:5 is the “boss” verse. It says that he killed the brother. SWAT ANDSPLAT!



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posted April 1, 2010 at 4:26 am


“the word ‘brother’ is rightly supplied from 1Ch_20:5; where his name is said to be Lahmi, for not Goliath himself was slain, though some so interpret it, and take Elhanan to be David; so Jarchi, and with which agrees the Targum; but he was slain not at Gob, but in the valley of Elah, nor had David any such name as Elhanan; he was one of David’s worthies, 2Sa_23:24; where he is called the son of Dodo, and in 1Ch_20:5, the son of Jair; and Lahmi there may not be the name of Goliath’s brother, but, as here, the country name of Elhanan; for the words (z) there may be rendered,”and Elhanan the son of Jair, the Lehemite (i.e. the Bethlehemite), slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite…” — John Gill’s Exposition of the Entire Bible

Mr. Incredible says:
And, so, again, 1 Chronicles 20:5 is the lead verse. It explains 2 Samuel 21:19, not as YOU would have it, rather as it really is.



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posted April 1, 2010 at 4:27 am


It’s fun swattin’ scoffers around again and again for their instruction.



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posted April 1, 2010 at 4:34 am


Wassamatta, Boris, you tryin’ to figure out how to defeat 1 Chronicles 20:5, too?
We understand that you’re hurt by our exposing you as the fraud you are.
Again, there were for giants felled at the hands of David and his servants.
Y’see, I told you that it’s all in your head, or both of them.



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posted April 1, 2010 at 5:10 am


Blotto Boris slurs:
The word for brother doesn’t appear in either the Hebrew or Greek Septuagint. It is an interpolation, a later addition added by English translators.
Mr. Incredible says:
Yes, from 1 Chronicles 20:5.
Blotto Boris slurs:
…the word “brother” is in italics which means it wasn’t in the original text but was added for “clarification.”
Mr. Incredible says:
Yes, they took it from 1 Chronicles 20:5 and put it in there, in 2 Samuel 21:19, cuz it’s the same story with the same characters.
Blotto Boris slurs:
In other words the translators said “Oops we better fix this now that the moronic masses can read the text.”
Mr. Incredible says:
Yes, they said that they best borrow from the same story told in 1 Chronicles 20:5 so that the stories match cuz, after all, they are the same story.
Blotto Boris slurs:
I used the New Jerusalem Bible’s translation, which is the most accurate English translation of the Old Testament there is.
Mr. Incrfedible aks:
Does it have a 1 Chronicles 20:5? If it does, I’ll bet you’re cryin’ your eyes out now.
Blotto Boris slurs:
The word brother doesn’t appear in the NIV, NRSV or any of the later more accurate translations.
Mr. Incredible says:
You mean, “the word, ‘brother,’ doesn’t appear in the NIV, NRSV, or any of the later,” as is YOUR assertion, “more accurate translations of 2 Samuel 21:19, though 1 Chronicles 20:5 in those versions has it.”
If you don’t have egg on your face, go to your chicken coop and tell your mountain boyfriend to smack you up side your head and and that cvanned ham you call a face with a dozen rotten eggs. I’d do it myself, if I were there, and I’d enjoy it, too, only I’d make it two dozen eggs and a couple-a dead chickens, a$$ first.



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posted April 1, 2010 at 5:24 am


Yup, and, even in NJB, 1 Chronicles 20:5, telling the same story as in 2 Samuel 21:19, uses the word “brother,” and it ain’t italicized in 1 Chronicles 20:5.
Again, the copyists, knowing this, intended to make 2 Samuel 21:19 clear and square by using the word, “brother,” taken from 1 Chronicles 20:5 cuz they realized it’s the same story.
So, again, we caught you being dishonest…again…and exposed here…again…it for all to see. The Devil does this, too.



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posted April 1, 2010 at 5:27 am


CLARIFICATION
So, again, we caught you being dishonest…again…and exposed it here…again…for all to see. The Devil does this — makes your mistake — too.



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posted April 1, 2010 at 4:59 pm


Well, looks like our “buddy,” Boris is too embarrassed to show his “face” around here after I, with a God-assist, completely destroyed his 2 Samuel 21:19 argument with 1 Chronicles 20:5. And he was soooooo confident that he trapped me by the fact that “brother,” in the Samuel verse, is not in the original manuscript, rather an add-on by copyists.
Then, after letting him gloat for a little bit and get real comfy cozy in his gloating, I sprang 1 Chronicles 20:5 on him; it has the word “brother” and it ain’t italicized, and, now, he can’t get over how easy it was to defeat him. He is now on suicide watch. Somebody take his shoelaces and belts from him.



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posted April 1, 2010 at 11:22 pm


Mr. Incredible says:
Yes, they said that they best borrow from the same story told in 1 Chronicles 20:5 so that the stories match cuz, after all, they are the same story.
Boris says: It’s amazing how you think your stupid arguments can prove anything. Here you admit that the translators had to fix a major insurmountable problem, an internal inconsistency a conflict in the text because the two stories didn’t match up. So after translators fix a problem that existed for 1500 years, yeah NOW they’re the same story. ROFL! How is it that the supposed the perfect Word of God always needs so much doctoring? I mean these additions, there are over 1000 of them, are all over the text.
If you don’t have egg on your face, go to your chicken coop and tell your mountain boyfriend to smack you up side your head and and that cvanned ham you call a face with a dozen rotten eggs. I’d do it myself, if I were there, and I’d enjoy it, too, only I’d make it two dozen eggs and a couple-a dead chickens, a$$ first.
Boris says: Sure you would big mouth. 6’1’’ 190, 31 inch waist, bench 225 for reps, squat about 300 for reps and can do 10 wide grip pull ups with a 45 pound weight around my waste. Do you know what that means? That means that a pot bellied pencil neck geek who has never seen the inside of a gym like you would do nothing but run like the cowardly chicken we all know you really are should you ever meet me. You’re a big man hiding behind that computer. But you’re a gutless punk when you can’t hide. Come to Papa. I welcome the challenge punk.



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posted April 2, 2010 at 12:19 pm


Well, looks like our “buddy,” Mr. Hutaree (previously Mr. Incredible) is too embarrassed to show his “face” around here after I, with no assistance, completely destroyed his 2 Samuel 21:19 argument with 1 Chronicles 20:5. And he was soooooo confident that he could answer me by the fact that “brother,” in the Samuel verse, is an interpolation, a forgery added to the oldest manuscripts (there are no original manuscripts), an add-on by copyists.



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posted April 4, 2010 at 9:02 am


Mr. Incredible says:
Yes, they said that they best borrow from the same story told in 1 Chronicles 20:5 so that the stories match cuz, after all, they are the same story.
Boris says:
It’s amazing how you think your stupid arguments can prove anything.
Mr. Incredible says:
I prove YOU wrong.
Boris says:
Here you admit that the translators had to fix a major insurmountable problem, an internal inconsistency a conflict in the text because the two stories didn’t match up.
Mr. Incredible says:
Irrelevant. The stories matched. The words didn’t.
In any case, it was the “brother” of the life. I prove you wrong. Proved. You. Wrong.
Boris says:
So after translators fix a problem that existed for 1500 years…
Mr. Incredible says:
Irrelevant. It’s the same story. It was the “brother” of the life. You said it wasn’t.

I. Proved. YOU. Wrong.

Boris says:
…yeah NOW they’re the same story.
Mr. Incredible says:
They ALWAYS were the same story.
Boris says:
How is it that the supposed the perfect Word of God always needs so much doctoring?
Mr. Incredible says:
The Word of God needs no doctoring. “Bibles” need doctoring.
Boris says:
I mean these additions, there are over 1000 of them, are all over the text.
Mr. Incredible says:
Scripture upon Scripture fixes them. The “correction” in 2 Samuel is a mere reference to Scripture upon Scripture handling.
Mr. Incredible says:
If you don’t have egg on your face, go to your chicken coop and tell your mountain boyfriend to smack you up side your head and and that cvanned ham you call a face with a dozen rotten eggs. I’d do it myself, if I were there, and I’d enjoy it, too, only I’d make it two dozen eggs and a couple-a dead chickens, a$$ first.
Boris says:
Sure you would big mouth. 6’1’’ 190, 31 inch waist, bench 225 for reps, squat about 300 for reps and can do 10 wide grip pull ups with a 45 pound weight around my waste.
Mr. Incredible says:
Is that what you tell your imaginary girlfriend when you give her your credit card number?
Anyway, that goes to show that people like you can say anything on the Internet. And, well, as we have seen, and I have shown, you do.
Boris says:
Do you know what that means? That means that a pot bellied pencil neck geek who has never seen the inside of a gym like you would do nothing but run like the cowardly chicken we all know you really are should you ever meet me. You’re a big man hiding behind that computer. But you’re a gutless punk when you can’t hide. Come to Papa. I welcome the challenge punk.
Mr. Incredible says:
That all you got, lady?
Ever since I came here, I’ve been kickin’ sand in your face and kickin’ you to the curb.
Boris says:
Well, looks like our “buddy,” Mr. Incredible is too embarrassed to show his “face” around here after I, with no assistance, completely destroyed his 2 Samuel 21:19 argument with 1 Chronicles 20:5.
Mr. Incredible says:
Except that it is the other way around; I destroyed YOU with the 1 Chronicles 20:5 reference. YOU’RE the one who said that it was not Goliath’s brother. 1 Chronicles 20:5 proves that it was.

I. Proved. YOU. Wrong.

Boris says:
And he was soooooo confident that he could answer me by the fact that “brother,” in the Samuel verse, is an interpolation, a forgery added to the oldest manuscripts (there are no original manuscripts), an add-on by copyists.
Mr. Incredible says:
No, it wasn’t. The Word of God already said that it was Goliath’s brother, in 1 Chronicles 20:5. You said it was not.

I. Proved. YOU. Wrong.



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posted April 4, 2010 at 1:23 pm


Ever since I came here, I’ve been kickin’ sand in your face and kickin’ you to the curb.
Boris says: A much better analogy would be the movie Deliverance where I play the part of the mountain man and you play the part of Ned Beatty. That’s what’s really been going on here on this blog and everyone here knows it including you. You look just like hog. Now squeal some more for me piggy piggy. ROFL! Louder! Squeal louder! Come on boy, you can do better than that. Hahahahaha



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posted April 5, 2010 at 3:24 am


Mr. Incredible says:
Ever since I came here, I’ve been kickin’ sand in your face and kickin’ you to the curb.
Boris says:
A much better analogy would be the movie Deliverance where I play the part of the mountain man and you play the part of Ned Beatty.
Mr. Incredible says:
Yes, we know you prefer and fantasize about men.
Boris says:
You look just like hog.
Mr. Incredible says:
In your dreams. Oh, that’s right, you fantasize about men.
I got a hunch that, at sometime in your life, you had an intelligence abortion; somebody removed what little intelligence you had. Well, it wasn’t alive anyway.



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posted April 5, 2010 at 6:28 am


Just how long has the untreated drainage from the solid waste plant been making it into this blog, in the form of Boris, HG and rich’s posts?



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posted April 5, 2010 at 6:33 am


Bobblehead Boris says:
Sure you would big mouth. 6’1’’ 190, 31 inch waist, bench 225 for reps, squat about 300 for reps and can do 10 wide grip pull ups with a 45 pound weight around my waste. Do you know what that means? That means that a pot bellied pencil neck geek who has never seen the inside of a gym like you would do nothing but run like the cowardly chicken we all know you really are should you ever meet me. You’re a big man hiding behind that computer. But you’re a gutless punk when you can’t hide. Come to Papa. I welcome the challenge punk.
Mr. Incredible says:
The retarded message above indicates special needs requirements and handling.
We’re just wondering why you let your butt do your talking for you.



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posted April 5, 2010 at 7:08 am


Mr. Incredible says:
Ever since I came here, I’ve been kickin’ sand in your face and kickin’ you to the curb.
Roundmouth Boris says:
A much better analogy would be the movie Deliverance where I play the part of the mountain man…
Mr. Incredible says:
Who had a thang for dudes.
Roundmouth Boris says:
…and you play the part of Ned Beatty.
Mr. Incredible says:
There is no part “Ned Beatty.”
Soooooooo, you dream about pokin’ dudes.
Roundmouth Boris says:
You look just like hog.
Mr. Incredible says:
You poor, misguided child.
Roundmouth Boris says:
Now squeal some more for me piggy piggy. ROFL! Louder! Squeal louder! Come on boy, you can do better than that. Hahahahaha
Mr. Incredible says:
Look out, everybody!! Stand back!! He’s havin’ one-a those “Boris Does Dudes!” dreams!!



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posted April 5, 2010 at 7:21 am


Boris, quit stalkin’ me with your twinkie, “Boris Goes Wild and Gets Funky with Dudes!” fantasies. The ladies likes me and I likes d’ladies, and we’re a natural, Godly fit. So, don’t be followin’ me around with your hopes and dreams of unnatural arousals, repulsive funkiness and nocturnal emissions for dudes cuz I ain’t int’rested.



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posted April 10, 2010 at 6:08 pm


so you like d’ladies?
that’s more than one……so you like bamby, bibsy , boo boo, and lakiesha…….how many ladies do you like….
i have heard that guys can be faithful, but that is because they made the decision to be faithful, not the fact that they still don’t want to……
i found that to be sad……i suppose i am just this true romantic, which believe in this love affair of two human beings who truely care about eachother and don’t want anybody else…even when they fight, they call eachother back and make-up, instead of continue the fight and seek arms in another………dreamer that i am……it still is ok to dream….despite the people i have known…..



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posted April 12, 2010 at 4:35 pm


in conclusion, i feel that when they say that men always want to cheat and it is in the nature, i find that to be a bunch of baloney….i do feel when they get older that they have more control over those raging hormones, as they like to call them….
as for the ladies, well i don’t know if they are any better then their male counterpart…
faithfulness is a choice…be careful what you put in your ears, and your mouth and what you touch….
not all things which look good, are……
love……………c



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posted April 17, 2010 at 8:09 am


Mr. Incredible says:
Boris, quit stalkin’ me with your twinkie, “Boris Goes Wild and Gets Funky with Dudes!” fantasies. The ladies likes me and I likes d’ladies, and we’re a natural, Godly fit. So, don’t be followin’ me around with your hopes and dreams of unnatural arousals, repulsive funkiness and nocturnal emissions for dudes cuz I ain’t int’rested.
Your Name says:
so you like d’ladies?
Mr. Incredible says:
Yes, d’ladies.
Your Name says:
that’s more than one……so you like bamby, bibsy , boo boo, and lakiesha…….how many ladies do you like….
Mr. Incredible says:
I mean ladies, in general.
Your Name says:
i have heard that guys can be faithful, but that is because they made the decision to be faithful, not the fact that they still don’t want to……
Mr. Incredible says:
Everyone can choose to be faithful outta love for God. Unfaithfulness is the result of what Adam and Eve gave us.
Your Name says:
i suppose i am just this true romantic, which believe in this love affair of two human beings who truely care about eachother and don’t want anybody else…even when they fight, they call eachother back and make-up, instead of continue the fight and seek arms in another………dreamer that i am……it still is ok to dream….despite the people i have known…..
Mr. Incredible says:
I have always wanted to love one woman and feel the same way about her ten years later as I did the first day I met her.
Your Name says:
in conclusion, i feel that when they say that men always want to cheat and it is in the nature, i find that to be a bunch of baloney….
Mr. Incredible says:
Well, thanks to Adam and Eve, the tendency is to be unfaithful. Loving God, through Christ, a man will be faithful.
In other words, that relationship simulates the relationship between Christ and His Church.
Your Name says:
i do feel when they get older that they have more control over those raging hormones, as they like to call them….
Mr. Incredible says:
At some point, they realize the error of their younger ways.
Your Name says:
as for the ladies, well i don’t know if they are any better then their male counterpart…
Mr. Incredible says:
They aren’t. They just have different ways of going about it.
Your Name says:
faithfulness is a choice…be careful what you put in your ears, and your mouth and what you touch….
Mr. Incredible says:
Proverbs 18:20-21
Matthew 12:34
Matthew 4:1-11
Luke 24:17
Your Name says:
not all things which look good, are……
Mr. Incredible says:
The unrighteous person, in the wilderness, would’ve conversed with the Devil, intellectualized everything. That’s what the Devil tried to do with Jesus. Jesus didn’t bite. He had no such filthy conversation with the Devil. He responded with,

“It is written…”



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posted April 17, 2010 at 8:29 am


Your Name says:
not all things which look good, are……
Mr. Incredible says:
That’s why, more than ever before, you must examine, and, if the dude holds back, there’s a reason. Then, you have your reason to move on.
I’m one-a those who doesn’t mind at all being put through his paces. That’s cuz, in God, through Christ, I got nuttin-ta hide.



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posted April 17, 2010 at 8:32 am


Your Name says:
not all things which look good, are……
Mr. Incredible says:
The Devil talked Eve into believing — and she made a conscious choice to believe it — that what looks good IS good. She engaged in an intellectual transaction with the Devil. Tsk, tsk.
However, she wouldn’t have done that had she had the example Jesus set in Matthew 4:1-11 of guarding the gate.



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posted April 18, 2010 at 7:18 am


Nothing plus nobody plus flying chance equal everything. That’s the Theory of Evolution.



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posted April 18, 2010 at 7:25 am


the philosophy of evolution



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posted April 18, 2010 at 2:21 pm


Nothing plus nobody plus flying chance equal everything. That’s the Buybull!



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posted April 18, 2010 at 2:26 pm


Mr. Incredible says:
The Devil talked Eve into believing — and she made a conscious choice to believe it — that what looks good IS good. She engaged in an intellectual transaction with the Devil. Tsk, tsk.
Boris says: Except the snake in the garden is not Satan or the devil. Ask any rabbi. He’s simply a friendly talking animal and the only character in the story who knows what is going on and tells the truth about it. That is the correct Jewish interpretation of the story. Proof of that is in the fact that the devil is never mentioned in the Torah because at the time it was written the Jews did not believe in Satan. What Incredible believes about this story is what his Christian cult leaders have g falsely led him to believe. In other words it isn’t true. Again.



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posted April 18, 2010 at 2:28 pm


The sum total of Incredible’s knowledge of science:
Nothing plus nobody plus flying chance equal everything. That’s the Theory of Evolution.
Stupid plus religion plus fear equal Christianity. That’s the theory of the Bible. ROFL!



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posted April 21, 2010 at 6:30 am


Boris says:
Nothing plus nobody plus flying chance equal everything. That’s the Buybull!
Mr. Incredible says:
We ain’t buyin’ your bull.



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posted April 21, 2010 at 6:35 am


Who is we stupid? There is no one else agreeing with you on this blog except for a woman who like you is deeply disturbed and mentally retarded. ROFL! You are the laughingstock of the whole blog. By the way everyone else agrees with me and you KNOW it loser. Now go make up someone like Brutus Beefcake or harryoutdoors and pretend someone actually is stupid enough to agree with your lies. ROFL! No wonder you don;t think sex is for pleasure. You haven’t seen your private parts in 20 years. They’re underneath that hideous gut! Hahahahahha



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posted April 21, 2010 at 6:44 am


Mr. Incredible says:
The Devil talked Eve into believing — and she made a conscious choice to believe it — that what looks good IS good. She engaged in an intellectual transaction with the Devil. Tsk, tsk.
Boris says:
Except the snake in the garden is not Satan or the devil.
Mr. Incredible says:
Except that the snake in the Garden IS the Devil, Satan.
Boris says:
Ask any rabbi.
Mr. Incredible says:
The Word of God says that the Devil came as the serpent. The Devil has the qualities of a snake.
Boris says:
He’s simply a friendly…
Mr. Incredible says:
A deception.
Boris says:
… talking animal…
Mr. Incredible says:
So, now YOU believe in talking animals.
Boris says:
… and the only character in the story who knows what is going on and tells the truth about it.
Mr. Incredible says:
We’re sure that the Devil thanks you for your allegiance.
Boris says:
Proof of that is in the fact that the devil is never mentioned in the Torah because at the time it was written the Jews did not believe in Satan.
Mr. Incredible says:
That doesn’t mean that it wasn’t Satan there, in the Garden, chatting with Eve.
Boris says:
What Incredible believes about this story is what his Christian cult leaders have g falsely led him to believe. In other words it isn’t true. Again.
Mr. Incredible says:
The “Christian cult leaders” to Whom I listen to are God, Christ and the Holy Spirit.



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posted April 21, 2010 at 6:56 am


Butt-dart Receiver Boris asks:
Who is we stupid?
Mr. Incredible says:
Well, you, Rich and HG.
Butt-dart Receiver Boris says:
There is no one else agreeing with you on this blog…
Mr. Incredible says:
So what? This blog has been invaded by goofball atheists, like you, who are here only to create chaos.
Butt-dart Receiver Boris says:
You are the laughingstock of the whole blog.
Mr. Incredible says:
So what? Laughed at by atheists??? I don’t care.
Butt-dart Receiver Boris says:
By the way everyone else agrees with me…
Mr. Incredible says:
So what?
Butt-dart Receiver Boris says:
… and you KNOW it loser.
Mr. Incredible says:
Check your toilet. It must be backed up because it is overflowing and the effluent is showing up in your messages. Your head must be stopping it up.
Butt-dart Receiver Boris says:
… pretend someone actually is stupid enough to agree with your lies.
Mr. Incredible says:
We know that you agree with the Devil.
Butt-dart Receiver Boris says:
No wonder you don;t think sex is for pleasure. You haven’t seen your private parts in 20 years. They’re underneath that hideous gut!
Mr. Incredible says:
Those court-appointed psychiatrist sessions aren’t doing you any good, are they.



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posted April 21, 2010 at 11:42 pm


Here — Click here to get more funny stuff from All Funny Pictures! — Boris rehearses for his part in the “Gay Pride Parade.” Nothin’ there t’be proud of, huh.



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posted April 22, 2010 at 6:38 am


Mr. Incredible says:
The Devil talked Eve into believing — and she made a conscious choice to believe it — that what looks good IS good. She engaged in an intellectual transaction with the Devil. Tsk, tsk.
Boris says:
Except the snake in the garden is not Satan or the devil.
Mr. Incredible says:
Except that the snake in the Garden IS the Devil, Satan:

(Rev 12:9) And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

That settles that.



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posted April 23, 2010 at 12:53 pm


Back to the subject of this thread. I find it fascinating that Christian apologists complain that America’s Christian heritage isn’t taught in our public school history books. It was Christian historical revisionists who wrote our Christian heritage out of the history books in the first place! You see, our Christian heritage is not a pretty picture at all. It’s as ugly as it gets. Christian historians do not want our children to read about the Christian genocide of the Native Americans who fancied themselves to be another Joshua’s generation with a divine command to murder all unbelievers. They don’t want our students to read about witch trials and witch burning all done in the name of Jesus. Christian historians panic at the thought of students leaning about Christian persecution, harassment, torture and murder of dissenters and unbelievers in early America. What Christian historian wants children to learn about the exclusionary laws that kept non-Christians from voting or holding public office? Certainly not Christians huh?
Now Mr. Incredible. The New Testament writers were not Jews, they were Greek speaking pagans just like you are an English (barely) speaking pagan. You worship a non-existent pagan deity like all pagans do. These pagans twisted OT passages away from their intended meanings and misinterpreted them to pound their mythical Jesus into the role of a coming Messiah. I’m a Jew and so I know the correct interpretation of the OT. You do not. By the way the KJV is about the most inaccurate translation of the Bible there is. Ask any Christian Bible scholar who can read Greek or Hebrew.



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posted April 23, 2010 at 12:57 pm


Or should I refer to you as Jimmy Changa now? ROFL! Go ahead tell us some more about how you don’t invent people for the express purpose of agreeing with you and soothing your damaged ego. Can you say OOPS? ROFL! What a low life liar and coward you are whatever name you hide behind.
Jimmy Changa
April 23, 2010 6:36 AM
Thanks Jimmy Changa. I appreciate your support. You’re right all of these scoffers are filthy devils.



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posted April 25, 2010 at 7:37 am


Thanks, vnosidfo soi sloidjonwlonoivh! We don’t listen to him. He doesn’t say anything worth listening to.



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posted April 25, 2010 at 9:01 am


Jesus IS Lord!
The New Testament writers were Jews. KJV NT agrees with Textus Receptus in the upper 90 percentiles. TR agrees, in the upper 90 percentiles, with over 5600 ancient manuscripts. KJV is accurate with the old Hebrew. That’s good enough for most of us.
We don’t care what atheists think about it any more than Jesus considered what the Devil said to Him in the wilderness.
Jesus IS Lord!



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posted April 25, 2010 at 9:11 am


Yes, he’s in with THAT stubborn, pushy bunch which includes the Pharisees.
However, let’s not lump Messianic Jews in with the likes of him.



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posted April 25, 2010 at 12:13 pm


The New Testament writers were Jews. KJV NT agrees with Textus Receptus in the upper 90 percentiles. TR agrees, in the upper 90 percentiles, with over 5600 ancient manuscripts. KJV is accurate with the old Hebrew. That’s good enough for most of us.
Boris says: ROFL! The NT writers take all of their OT passages from the Greek Septuagint, with all of its mistakes and mistranslations, rather than the original Hebrew. Even Jesus quotes from the Greek rather than the Hebrew when he is speaking to orthodox Jewish religious leaders. No wonder they thought he was a fraud! A Jewish rabbi who can’t speak a word of Hebrew! ROFL!
Once again Incredible, you have proved you get all your information about the KJV Bible from your human cult leaders and not your Jesus/God/bogey spirit combo. You don’t know squat about Greek or Hebrew loser. You’re so far out of your league here it’s absurd. Go spread your filth among people who haven’t studied the Bible because no one is buying your lies about it here.



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posted April 25, 2010 at 2:38 pm


By the way, if the KJV is so fantastic why is there a NKJV? Hmmmm….



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posted April 27, 2010 at 6:04 am


The New Testament writers were Jews. KJV NT agrees with Textus Receptus in the upper 90 percentiles. TR agrees, in the upper 90 percentiles, with over 5600 ancient manuscripts. KJV is accurate with the old Hebrew.
We’re still good with that.



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posted April 27, 2010 at 6:06 am


NKJV is about KJV. It is not, itself, THE Word of God.



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posted April 27, 2010 at 10:06 am


The New Testament writers were Jews. KJV NT agrees with Textus Receptus in the upper 90 percentiles. TR agrees, in the upper 90 percentiles, with over 5600 ancient manuscripts. KJV is accurate with the old Hebrew.
Boris says: Once again your cult leaders have misinformed you. The KJV is taken from the Latin Vulgate, not Hebrew or even Greek. What a dunce!



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posted April 30, 2010 at 6:14 am


Mr. Incredible says:
The New Testament writers were Jews. KJV NT agrees with Textus Receptus in the upper 90 percentiles. TR agrees, in the upper 90 percentiles, with over 5600 ancient manuscripts. KJV is accurate with the old Hebrew.
Boris says:
Once again your cult leaders have misinformed you.
Mr. Incredible says:
Since we are not part of a cult, like atheism, we have no cult leaders, and you know that.
Boris says:
The KJV is taken from the Latin Vulgate, not Hebrew or even Greek.
Mr. Incredible says:
KJV, ultimately, is taken from old Hebrew and Greek [Received Text]. It is the Word of God preserved in English.



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