Lynn v. Sekulow

Lynn v. Sekulow


Health Care

posted by Rev. Barry W. Lynn

Jay,

Let’s be real here.

Do you really think these lawsuits have a single winning argument? And, frankly, since when do state attorneys general have standing in matters like this? Frankly, I think opponents of health care reform are getting desperate. This is a futile attempt to waste money on frivolous lawsuits and get some press.

Here is why I think these lawsuits have no chance. First, let’s examine this from the legal perspective. You claim that it’s unconstitutional for the government to mandate that Americans buy health insurance and that the Constitution’s Commerce Clause – which allows the federal government to regulate interstate commerce – does not allow this. Looking at post-1930’s case law, I think that will be a very difficult argument to back up.

The court has given a great amount of power to Congress to regulate all sorts of activities – including farming for personal use and growing medicinal marijuana for one’s own purposes – even though it may appear to some that these activities have nothing to do with interstate commerce. So what’s going to be different about health care insurance? I think most constitutional scholars agree with me on this one.


But beyond that, many of your allies are claiming this violates
citizens’ personal freedoms. Well, I hate to break it to them, but
Congress has impinged on alleged and imaginary “personal freedoms” for the greater good of
society throughout modern history. Think about the Civil Rights Act of 1964 –
didn’t Congress and then the Supreme Court “force” restaurant owners to serve minorities? And what about the fact that not even Justice Scalia thinks that some regulation of guns is permitted even under his expansive view of the Second Amendment?

But I’m not surprised at this last-ditch attempt by your friends. For
the past few weeks, the Right has been grasping for anything to stir up
emotion and controversy over this reform. On Friday, I appeared
on MSNBC’s “The Ed Schultz Show” to discuss Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa)
and Glenn Beck’s outrage over the fact that Congress was taking the
health care vote on a Sunday, the Sabbath. Beck claimed this was “an affront to God” and King claimed Congress is trying to take away “the liberty that we have right from God.”

Give me a break. Beck and King, just like these frivolous lawsuits over
health care reform, are severely misguided, to put it mildly.  

First, Congress doesn’t decide what to do and when to do things
based on anyone’s claims about God.  Indeed even Christians can’t agree on what period of time the “Sabbath” is.
 
Second, as ThinkProgress accurately pointed out,
on Palm Sunday in 2005, the Republican-controlled Senate voted to allow
a federal court to intervene in the Terri Schiavo case. The House was called back to Washington for debate that day and passed the bill on Monday, just after midnight. I don’t remember
hearing any such complaints then. 

Jay, it’s time to give it a rest. This bill is now law.  This isn’t all of what I wanted as health care reform, but it is what we have. Let’s see what it achieves.

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EllenBrown

posted March 24, 2010 at 7:39 pm


Touche Barry. As usual, right on the money–about everything!



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Mr. Incredible

posted March 24, 2010 at 7:48 pm


As usual, wrong about everything.



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HG

posted March 24, 2010 at 8:04 pm


EllenBrown: Would that be Ellen Hodgson Brown? If so, you’re brilliant. Judging by your comment, you’re brilliant even if you aren’t the somewhat reknowned lawyer/author.



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Mr. Incredible

posted March 24, 2010 at 8:21 pm


HG says:
EllenBrown: Would that be Ellen Hodgson Brown? If so, you’re brilliant.
Mr. Incredible says:
Translation: “You’re brilliant cuz you agree with me and I with you. Let’s get a room together. Wait a minute! You’re a woman! Never mind.”



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HG

posted March 24, 2010 at 8:45 pm


Mr. Incredible is not a latitudinarian. He wouldn’t comprehend the importance of the writings of Ellen Hodgson Brown, as he has difficulty assimilating new information, preferring the Bible to all other forms of literature. Germillipod.



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Mr. Incredible

posted March 24, 2010 at 8:57 pm


HG says:
Mr. Incredible is not a latitudinarian.
Mr. Incredible says:
It’s true that I’m not a linear thinker, as YOU are. One plane. Two-dimensional. Ideas that are unfit in a multidimensional world.
HG says:
He wouldn’t comprehend the importance of the writings of Ellen Hodgson Brown…
Mr. Incredible says:
You wouldn’t comprehend the importance of the Word of God.
HG says:
… as he has difficulty assimilating new information…
Mr. Incredible says:
You have difficulty assimilating new information, too.
HG says:
… preferring the Bible to all other forms of literature.
Mr. incredible says:
I prefer the Word of God to all other forms of guidance in the direction of God, through Christ. The Lord, not the world, is my Shepherd.



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Rich

posted March 25, 2010 at 1:41 am


Mr. Incredible,
The Word of God in the Bible! Yeah, right! Funny stuff!
Seriously, do you understand anything about the history of the Bible? The internal contradictions? The ludicrous flaws and inconsistencies? You are like some sort of Trekkie or Lord of the Rings groupie that has forgotten that the stuff is actually FICTION.
Good grief!



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Mr. Incredible

posted March 25, 2010 at 3:21 am


Mr. Incredible says:
Justice Blackmun says that all it takes is “personhood.”
Boris says:
First of all Justice Blackmun doesn’t say anything anymore. He’s been dead…
Mr. Incredible says:
The decision says, and Justice Blackmun wrote the decision. It still says.
If he were alive, he would still say what the decision says. What he wrote still says.
Boris says:
…the person hood argument has already been refuted.
Mr. Incredible says:
And I have refuted the refutations.
Boris says:
Even if the fetus were to be granted person hood it still has no right to be inside another person…
Mr. Incredible says:
Nature says otherwise.
Boris says:
In our society rights must be considered as a whole.
Mr. Incredible says:
Not true.
Boris says:
Therefore a fetus cannot be granted rights that conflict with a woman’s rights.
Mr. Incredible says:
A person’s Rights can conflict with another’s Rights.
If the State brings “personhood” before the Court, and the Court does what Justice Blackmun says it will do, the former “undue burden” placed on the woman would become a due burden. She would, then, not be allowed to take the life of another person.
Boris says:
Third the fact that Incredible continues and will no doubt continue to trot out such an easily debunked argument…
Mr. Incredible says:
You people have yet to do so.
Boris says:
… clearly demonstrates the weakness and desperation of the anti-choice position
Mr. Incredible says:
What we have shown clearly demonstrates the weakness and desperation of the anti-life position.



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Mr. Incredible

posted March 25, 2010 at 3:22 am


Rich says:
Mr. Incredible,
The Word of God in the Bible!
Mr. Incredible asks:
Which “Bible”?
Rich says:
Seriously, do you understand anything about the history of the Bible?
Mr. Incredible asks:
Like what?
Rich says:
…The internal contradictions?
Mr. Incredible says:
The only contradictions are in your head.
Rich says:
The ludicrous flaws and inconsistencies?
Mr. Incredible says:
Like what?
Rich says:
You are like some sort of Trekkie or Lord of the Rings groupie that has forgotten that the stuff is actually FICTION.
Mr. Incredible says:
I couldn’t have forgotten that the “stuff” is, as YOU say, “FICTION” since the Word of God isn’t fiction.



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Mr. Incredible

posted March 25, 2010 at 3:25 am


That post with Belial Boris was s’pose to go in another thread. Posted here by mistake



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Mr. Incredible

posted March 25, 2010 at 3:35 am


Jesus Christ is Lord.

The Lord is our Shepherd.

We have our Champion!

Pretty nifty that, with the guidance of God, through Christ, I’m holding off Belial Boris and his his disciples, HG and Rich. One against three. And in different threads, too!



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Mr. Incredible

posted March 25, 2010 at 3:51 am


CLARIFICATION ALERT
Boris says:
Therefore a fetus cannot be granted rights that conflict with a woman’s rights.
Mr. Incredible says:
A person’s Rights can conflict with another’s Rights.
The Rights of a person not to be deprived of his life trumps privacy.
If the State brings “personhood” before the Court, and the Court does what Justice Blackmun says it will do, the former “undue burden” placed on the woman would become a due burden. She would, then, not be allowed to take the life of another person.



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Mr. Incredible

posted March 25, 2010 at 4:28 am


The Senate has sent Obammycare back to the House. HA!



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Your Name

posted March 25, 2010 at 2:37 pm


Yes, forcing people to have to take the health care insurance is unconstitutional…….



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Cronus

posted March 25, 2010 at 3:52 pm


Health care insurance is unconstitutional? Telling people what they can and can not eat, smoke, shoot, or stick up their wazoo is unconstitutional but our government shells out billions every year to do so. We shell out millions to put citizens in jails all over the country for something they want to smoke or snort. No other crime than that. Totally unconstitutional but the government gets away with it. So now your upset that they want you to actually get health insurance so if you wind up injured or ill, you don’t go into an emergency room and run up thousands of dollars of medical bills that I have to pay in higher premiums for myself. There is a word for people like you. Actually there are several and none of them are very polite.



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Cronus

posted March 25, 2010 at 4:01 pm


As for the crazy abortion arguments being spoused here. I don’t care how many times you say that a fetus is a person, or a baby, or has rights, it will never be so.
They are not persons, they are not babies, they don’t have any rights what so ever until they develop to the point of viability and sometimes not even then.
I was suppose to have a sister. Unfortunately the cord got tangled around the fetus’s neck and strangled it. Never was born, never laughed, never cried, never even took a breath of life once in its non-existent life.
Thousands of time each and every day, women’s fertilized eggs are late in the gestation period and are swept out of the canal. It’s just nature, not intentional but it has happened every day. So for crying out loud give a woman a break if she decides she wants to terminate her pregnancy. It is only once out of thousands of natural pregnancy terminations that day.



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Rich

posted March 25, 2010 at 4:41 pm


Cronus,
You are right, natural terminations far outnumber medical abortions. It seems to me that for those who believe in gods and goddesses, they should be praying for the gods and goddesses to intervene to stop these natural abortions. Really, just a matter or prioritizing. Of course, it could be that they know all the prayers in the world have no effect on reality at all so why bother.



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Your Name

posted March 25, 2010 at 7:13 pm


I don’t know if Lynn is a lawyer, I think not. We are not debating about whether Sunday was a good day to pass a big federal abortion program. More to the point, the attorney generals (who will definitely have standing, that will not be an issue) have already pointed out that individuals are being forced into the purview of “interstate commerce” because they are being forced to buy health insurance from federal approved plans. This seems by definition to be interstate, federal-approved that is.
Now on the issue of the civil rights act. I agree that Congress extended their reach to private businesses. But to make the analogy Lynn is trying to make complete, Congress would have had to rule that black people be REQUIRED to attend these privately-owned facilities, restaurants and the like. Congress would have had to condition its commerce clause authority on its own unconstitutional forcing of black people to attent these restaurants.
This still has nothing to do with whether Congress would have a right to force anyone to eat at segregated restaurants. Of course, the very thought is ridiculous and Lynn fails on this one. Brilliant? Hardly.



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Steve

posted March 25, 2010 at 7:18 pm


To Cronus, with Gonzalez v. Carhart (and yes, thank you, Alberto Gonzalez), the Court ruled that its interests are not conditioned on the “personhood” of the fetus, but on its interest in protecting “fetal life.” This recognizes that the fetus IS life, and not just potential human life as in Roe v. Wade, Blackmun’s mindless cliche.
That the fetal life is human fetal life is self-evident. I really think that was a great step forward. 5-4 decision of course, all the Catholics (I suppose there is one more now). Do I want the Catholic Church to run the U.S. government? Well, they don’t. But they are right on this issue (and that’s the Bishops, not Wasserman-Smith’s nun group).



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Boris

posted March 26, 2010 at 5:39 am


The only reason the Catholic Church exists or has ever existed is to promote and protect pedophilia. We are renaming it NAMBLA. The Catholic Church has been on the wrong side of every social issue, scientific discovery and theory since it has existed. It has NEVER been right about ANYTHING. The Catholic Church and Christianity itself is the most evil and destructive institution that has ever existed and the worst human tragedy to ever come upon this planet. I mean what kind of idiot believes a story about a person whose birth and death are announced by angels, who had a conversation with an absurd being like Satan when no one was around yet we still somehow have the word for word conversation between them and who supposedly cast out demons and this cured people of diseases? The fact that we have Catholic retards on the Supreme Court just shows how stupid the American public really is.



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Tiffany

posted March 26, 2010 at 5:58 pm


In the state of South Carolina and many other states in the Union it is required that anyone owning a car/truck/suv must have insurance. There is very limited public transportation in South Carolina so in essence the citizens of South Carolina are being forced to have car insurance. Why do the legislator in South Carolina value cars more than they value people? If they are allowed to sue the US government the citizens of South Carolina should sued the state of South Carolina for the same reason.



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Rich

posted March 27, 2010 at 1:49 am


Boris,
re: “Catholic retards on the Supreme Court”
Nice phrase, I pretty much like that.
It boggles the mind but it is hard to imagine that anyone who believes in the superstitious incantations and generalized Harry Potter type shenanigans of catholicism would ever be in a position to make pronouncements about our rights as US citizens. Yet that is exactly what Scalia, Alito, Roberts, et al get to do for us each year. The public would rightly recoil in horror if a Scientologist were on the court. Or a Mormon miscreant. Me, I just don’t see the difference between any of it.



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Carlynann Johnson Ackermann

posted March 28, 2010 at 2:42 pm


I read thru the article and what sticks out is the Rev. Lynn’s claim and rightly so that infringement of our rights by Congress has been going on for years on many issues. However, does that make those infringements right, should they be continued, isn’t it time to draw a line in the sand and say no more?
In Approx 1937 the Supreme Court defined/interpreted the “general welfare” clause of Article 1 Section 8 as granting to Congress the power to determine what taxes (and what spending) promoted the “general welfare”. By doing this they totally ignored the 10th Amendment and shifted the power from the states to the Federal Government,
So far I have not been able to find where this decision has been challenged (if it has please direct me to that information). Perhaps the time has come that that decision should be challenged and that is what I see the various States Attorney Generals doing-challenging the Courts and Congress.
On the other hand if the Court’s interpretation has been challenged and failed, is that any reason not to challenge the decision again under another set of circumstances?
The law is never black or white and what is written/set down is not necessarily in stone. Injustice in any form, should be challenged time and again. So for the Rev. Lynn and “most constitutional scholars” to take the position it is foolish to fight this issue-I think is a bit foolish on their part.



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Boris

posted March 28, 2010 at 2:44 pm


Rich,
Yes, we have Supreme Court Justices who have based their entire worldview on something for which they’ve never seen a shred of evidence. It really makes you wonder how they arrive at their decisions at the Court not to mention in their own lives. Here are a few relevant quotes:
“To a scientific rationalist, there is no distinction between believing in leprechauns, alien abductions, ESP, reincarnation, or the existence of God – each equally lacks objective evidence… Separating out the latter two beliefs and labeling them as religion – thereby exempting them from critical analysis – is intellectually dishonest… [Indeed] the most widespread and sacredly guarded superstitions [are] the most important ones to oppose, for they have the greatest influence and can therefore do the most harm.” – David Bloomberg
“The atheist, agnostic, or secularist… should not be cowed by exaggerated sensitivity to people’s religious beliefs… Those who advocate a piece of folly like the theory of an ‘intelligent creator’ should be held accountable for their folly; they have no right to be offended for being called fools until they establish that they are not in fact fools.” – S.T. Joshi
“How comforting would it be to hear the President of the United States assure us that almighty Zeus is on our side in a war on terrorism? The mere change of a single word in his speech – from God to Zeus – would precipitate a national emergency. If I believe that Christ was born of a virgin, resurrected bodily after death, and is now literally transformed into a wafer at the Mass, I can still function as a respected member of society…because millions of others believe [the same]…The perversity of religion is that it allows sane people to believe the unbelievable en masse.” – Sam Harris



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HG

posted March 28, 2010 at 6:57 pm


I don’t see any difference either Rich, but I admit that I’ve never thought it particularly strange that so many continue to express belief in such nonsense. After living many years immersed in a world where such beliefs are pervasive, it is the absence of belief which becomes unimaginable. Adaptability is a beast!
Those are some good quotes, Boris, to which I’ll add an old Walter B. Pitkin, from A Short Introduction to the History of Human Stupidity:
“Stupidity can easily be proved the supreme Social Evil. Three factors combine to establish it as such. First and foremost, the number of stupid people is legion. Secondly, most of the power in business, finance, diplomacy and politics is in the hands of more or less stupid individuals. Finally, high abilities are often linked with serious stupidity, and in such a manner that the abilities shine before all the world while the stupid trait lurks in deep shadow and is discerned only by intimates or by prying newspaper reporters.”
I think people get used to hoping the stupidity will not manifest itself too often, or with too dire a result; though they have oft been disappointed.



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Your Name

posted March 28, 2010 at 7:16 pm


Your right, people should be praying more often to have healthy babies.



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Your Name

posted March 28, 2010 at 7:51 pm


So Rich and HG what finacial gain to you have in supporting abortions world wide?
You should be so proud of yourself for your continual supply of lies to the public, like those are not people developing in the womb, like they are a tree or a plant you can dice up for money.
That is the path of destruction. No thanks, I know the devils advocate when I see it.
C



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HG

posted March 28, 2010 at 7:54 pm


Your Name: “… people should be praying more often to have healthy babies.”
Even if they don’t want to have babies? Even though prayer has been demonstrated to be useless? (Michael Parenti does a fine job of pointing out the inefficacy of prayer in God and His Demons. I’d recommend it to Your Name as a good read, but,…)



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Rich

posted March 29, 2010 at 1:02 am


Cara aka Your Name,
Your unhealthy fixation on abortion continues to reveal itself. Why would you assume I derive a financial gain from abortions? My only relation with the health care industry is that my employer provides health care insurance.
My interest in protecting women from anti-choice religious kooks such as you comes from my respect for women as completely capable and thinking individuals. I also a deep-seated devotion to American liberty, something for which you have no use. I suppose individuals having the liberty to do with their lives as they deem best is an awful notion to you, you likely recoil in horror at the prospect of any personal activity not spent in prayer to your imaginary god.
The thing about religious wackos is that they just don’t appear to have sufficient mental capabilities to imagine that others don’t believe the way they do. Rather than come to grips with the fact that others are not obligated to think and believe as you, you instead seek to force them to comply with your beliefs by force of law. In your religious world, abortion is not allowable, you just can’t fathom that for many others it is acceptable and not the taking of a human life. Since we can’t agree on this, you would seek to use the law to force everyone to do as you see fit. I guess you want to be some sort of self-appointed moral arbiter of the world, people can only do what Cara aka Your Name says they can.
As well, as I keep telling you, your position is not clearly thought out. What are you going to do with those who continue to have abortions. Execute them? You do consider it murder so you probably need to do that. And then, once you start executing women for having abortions, what about your so-called love of human life?



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Your Name

posted March 29, 2010 at 3:33 pm


Rich,
Well the love of money is the root of all evil. That is why I would think that there might be a financial gain in it for you somewhere.
Although there are people who are deadset in the direction of wickedness and what does the Bible say is going to happen to those folks?
You say you want to protect the women’s body from the fetus or something, are you crazy?..
They made a decision to have sex and we all know what happens from that experience, now don’t we?
So just like any decision that you make, there is cause and effect. It would be like baking a cake and not expecting that a cake was going to come out of the oven and you think that we are not supposed to think that it is not a cake or that the person who made the cake is not responsible for the cake. Besides, they can always give the cake to a person who wants the cake. If they don’t want the cake then they should never put the cake batter in the oven. That way there would be no cake…. you get my point….
Cakes come from cake batter and you have to put it in the oven or give it a heat source of some kind in order for there to be a cake…
This argument that the owner of the cake is not responsible for the cake is insane…
C



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Your Name

posted March 29, 2010 at 3:37 pm


HG,
Well we all know that you are for killing the unborn by choice.
That’s just it. You stick up for the killer and I stick up for protecting the victims of the killers.
C



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Your Name

posted March 29, 2010 at 3:40 pm


Cronus,
Your blogs, speak for themselves…
I wrote forcing people to take healthcare policy is unconstitutional…
Just like the law to kill developing children is unconstitutional…
It is called taking a person’s rights away….
C



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Mr. Incredible

posted March 29, 2010 at 3:50 pm


==Let’s be real here.==
Yes. Let’s.
==Do you really think these lawsuits have a single winning argument?==
Yes. He does. Really. He really does. Really. Really.
==And, frankly…==
Yes, let’s be frank, too.
==…since when do state attorneys general have standing in matters like this?==
Since their states are impacted by it and must pay for it. Really.



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Mr. Incredible

posted March 29, 2010 at 3:59 pm


Cara says:
HG,
Well we all know that you are for killing the unborn by choice.
Mr. Incedible says:
You make it easy for even HIM to understand his position.
Cara says:
That’s just it. You stick up for the killer and I stick up for protecting the victims of the killers.
Mr. Incredible says:
That sums it up priddy good.
Don’t lettem git you down, Cara!
By the way, Cara…
I’m gonna start using your phrasing cuz it’s so good: the kill-the unborn-by-choice crowd/fanatics/extremists/radicals.It describes their position very well.



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Your Name

posted March 29, 2010 at 4:09 pm


rich and boris,
so you say that people who believe in the bible are stupid. well, what are you trying to write here, that we have to believe in the fact that we are highly designed by nothing? now that would be stupid. stupid is as stupid does….
c



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Your Name

posted March 29, 2010 at 4:11 pm


Thanks, Mr. Incredible….
C



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Mr. Incredible

posted March 29, 2010 at 4:14 pm


Cara says:
Cronus,
I wrote forcing people to take healthcare policy is unconstitutional…
Just like the law to kill developing children is unconstitutional…
It is called taking a person’s rights away….
Mr. Incredible says:
The Constitution prohibits the State from depriving ANY person of life.
In other words, even IF they say we don’t have a person until birth, abortion deprives THAT person of life, stops it in its tracks. Denies and deprives of development. THAT person is deprived of his “potentialities.”



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Mr. Incredible

posted March 29, 2010 at 4:21 pm


Cara Says:
rich and boris,
so you say that people who believe in the bible are stupid.
Mr. Incredible says:
That’s cuz those two got nothin’ else but an IQ-to-teeth ratio of 1 to 1.
Cara says:
well, what are you trying to write here, that we have to believe in the fact that we are highly designed by nothing? now that would be stupid. stupid is as stupid does…
Mr. Incredible says:
Atheists are a fine example of the result of unintelligent design.



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Mr. Incredible

posted March 29, 2010 at 4:24 pm


Secularists say they think that all life started with one cell, even though somebody had to tell them that; they weren’t there to witness it for themselves. So, they cannot really say.
If all life started with one cell, why is it so difficult to conclude AND ON-SCENE-EYEWITNESS that life in the womb starts with one cell?



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Mr. Incredible

posted March 29, 2010 at 4:29 pm


So, we are aksed to believe that all life started with one cell, but that human life doesn’t.



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Your Name

posted March 29, 2010 at 4:29 pm


I used to let people who criticize me and say all sort of lies and misconceptions about me get me down.. For I didn’t realize how cruel people could be… How people in this world thrive on putting others down, despite their honesty and integrity and the good they do in the world. I even saw this in the church, believe it or not.. and that surprised me… I thought Christians were Christians and you could see the proof by their life… I am not saying that all Christians are that way… I think that is why alot of the non-believers are turned off so much by the Church…. I have come to realize that just because a person states that they are a Christian or go to church does not give them Christ character… For if it did, you would be experiencing love from that person…. I am not saying that the Lord does not correct those he loves…He does……
It is just when I have seen such the opposite contrast of who I read Jesus to be…this concerns me… Yes not all of the Church is like this… I have learned to stay far away from those folks… It would like running into Boris or HG at the door of the chapel and then saying where is God in all of this..? Who are they? What do they want? obviously they are in favor of one person having a right over another, while another person is dead on arrival……..DOA Ya , they descended all right, right in the way of a trash can or a vacuum of some sort…..C



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Mr. Incredible

posted March 29, 2010 at 4:32 pm


Beginning at conception, in the womb, whose cells are dividing? The mother’s? The child’s? The doctor’s? Aunt Jemima’s? Obammy’s?



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Mr. Incredible

posted March 29, 2010 at 4:37 pm


Cara says:
I used to let people who criticize me and say all sort of lies and misconceptions about me get me down.
Mr. Incredible says:
I used to let it get me down, too, a long time ago, until the Lord reminded me — and, if you notice, “remembrance” is a big deal [Jonah 2:7] — He already defeated the works of the Devil. So, anything they say bounces off me like Superman.



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HG

posted March 29, 2010 at 5:52 pm


Incred.: “In other words, even IF they say we don’t have a person until birth,…”
And “they” do.
Incred.: “…abortion deprives THAT person of life…”
What “person”? There is no “person”. Continuity lacking.
Incred.: “THAT person is deprived of his “potentialities.”
Ow, that’s gotta hurt; Incred., perhaps, has some personal experience in that realm.



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Rich

posted March 29, 2010 at 9:50 pm


Mr. Incredible and Cara aka Your Name,
Your fixation upon a long settled point of law continues. Obsessive Compulsive Disorder.
You know, they do offer counseling for that kind of thing. Of course, you would want to check and see if your health care policy provides coverage. If it doesn’t, please call your elected representatives and ask that the government mandate coverage for psychiatric disorders.



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Rich

posted March 29, 2010 at 9:55 pm


Mr. Incredible,
re: “Aunt Jemima’s? Obammy’s?”
So, you are an abject racist now? Do you possibly think you are being funny? Where are you, in Alabama or something?
Wow, what a sorry and afflicted individual you are to stoop to using incredibly offensive racist remarks. You are a perfect example of why faith is such a horrible delusion.
Now please, go ahead and defend your comments, you always do even when caught red-handed.



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Mr. Incredible

posted March 30, 2010 at 3:37 am


Rich says:
Mr. Incredible,
re: “Aunt Jemima’s? Obammy’s?”
So, you are an abject racist now?
Mr. Incredible aks:
You aksin’, o’ you be tellin’?
Rich aks:
Do you possibly think you are being funny?
Mr. Incredible says:
Very. What, you don’t like my sense of humor? Tuff.
Rich says:
Where are you, in Alabama or something?
Mr. Incredible aks:
That is discriminatory of you. I’m in “something.”
Rich says:
Wow, what a sorry and afflicted individual you are…
Mr. Incredible says:
Gee, I don’t feel sorry. Gosh, I don’t feel afflicted, neither. What am I to do???
Rich says:
…to stoop to using incredibly offensive racist remarks.
Mr. Incredible says:
VALUE JUDGMENT ALERT! VALUE JUDGMENT ALERT!
Rich says:
You are a perfect example of why faith is such a horrible delusion.
Mr. Incredible says:
A scoffer WOULD say so.
Rich says:
Now please, go ahead and defend your comments…
Mr. Incredible aks:
What comments need I be defendin’ to YOU?
Rich says:
…you always do even when caught red-handed.
Mr. Incredible says:
“Red-handed” doin’ what? Repeating the name on a pancake mix box? Writing “Obammy”? How is “Obammy” racist, in YOUR small world?



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posted March 30, 2010 at 3:45 am


Rich says, wrongly:
Mr. Incredible and Cara aka Your Name…
Mr. Incredible says:
If we were the same person, you’d see hints of the same writing style in each post. You don’t, and there’s a reason for it: We’re not the same person. But that won’t stop you from thinking that we are. Oh, well.
Rich says:
Your fixation upon a long settled point of law continues.
Mr. Incrfedible says:
It’s not settled, as long as we have Justice Blackmun’s statement.
Rich says:
Obsessive Compulsive Disorder.
Mr. Incredible aks:
Like your compulsive posting?
Rich says:
You know, they do offer counseling for that kind of thing.
Mr. Incredible aks:
Why don’t you take’em up on it, then?
Rich says:
Of course, you would want to check and see if your health care policy provides coverage.
Mr. Incredible aks:
No need to use what I don’t need to use.
Rich says:
If it doesn’t, please call your elected representatives and ask that the government mandate coverage for psychiatric disorders.
Mr. Incredible says:
We know that you were tryin’ to be ever so clever and creative. Sorry, but I got you beat there, too.



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posted March 30, 2010 at 3:57 am


Mr. Incredible says:
In other words, even IF they say we don’t have a person until birth…
HG says:
And “they” do.
Mr. Incredible says:
And, yet, “they” cannot say what changes, in the individual being born, from one second before birth to one second after word that makes him a person after word, but not before.
And, yet, “they” won’t say whether a premature birth presents a person, say, three days after conception.
And, yet, “they” won’t say whether the embryos, frozen in clinics, are persons, having been born — that is, separated from their mothers.
Mr. Incredible says:
… abortion deprives THAT person of life…
HG says:
What “person”?
Mr. Incredible says:
The person in the process of birth.
The Fourteenth Amendment says that only unborn person is a citizen. That would mean that the unborn person is not a citizen.
HG says:
There is no “person”. [sic]
Mr. Incredible says:
Except that, if an unborn person is a citizen, that means that an unborn person is not a citizen.
HG says:
Continuity lacking.
Mr. Incredible says:
Except that continuity is not lacking.
Mr. Incredible says:
THAT person is deprived of his “potentialities.”



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posted March 30, 2010 at 4:11 am


Brewski Boris says:
The only reason the Catholic Church exists or has ever existed is to promote and protect pedophilia.
Mr. Incredible says:
You’re sniffin’ paint again, huh.
Brewski Boris says:
We are renaming it NAMBLA.
Mr. Incredible aks:
What, you gettin’ tired of the same ol’ gang in YOUR organization there, and, now, you want the Catholic Church to be included in your NAMBLA community for YOUR benefit?
Brewski Boris says:
The Catholic Church has been on the wrong side of every social issue…
Mr. Incredible says:
That’s from the Devil’s perspective, too.
Brewski Boris says:
… scientific discovery and theory since it has existed.
Mr. Incredible says:
Except that the Catholic Church discovered and refined the principles of modern Science and empiricism.
Brewski Boris says:
It has NEVER been right about ANYTHING.
Mr. Incredible says:
Gee, Devil says that, too.
Brewski Boris says:
The Catholic Church and Christianity itself is the most evil and destructive institution that has ever existed…
Mr. Incredible says:
If, as YOU say, in your beer fog, that Jesus never existed, how can Christianity exist?
Brewski Boris says:
…who had a conversation with an absurd being like Satan…
Mr. Incredible says:
Except that, in the wilderness, Jesus said no conversation with the Devil.
Brewski Boris says:
The fact that we have Catholic retards on the Supreme Court just shows how stupid the American public really is…
Mr. Incredible says:
Will come around next November and ask you for voting advice, then do just the opposite.



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posted March 30, 2010 at 4:16 am


Rich says:
Mr. Incredible,
re: “Aunt Jemima’s?
Mr. Incredible aks:
You mean to tell me — tell US — that we are not allowed to go into a store and ask for Aunt Jemima’s Complete Pancake Mix??
YOU the official, Obammy “Racism” Block Captain?



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posted March 30, 2010 at 6:29 am


You say that I am “racist,” using the word that has become cliché; You people throw it around so much that it’s lost its meaning and impact.
Anyway, I say that I’m not.
Now what?



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posted March 30, 2010 at 6:31 am


after word — — > afterward



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posted March 30, 2010 at 6:34 am


Tweedledumb Boris, HG and Rich,
Uri Geller couldn’t bend the truth better than you can, and the Amazing Kreskin now must bow to your powers of deception while David Copperfield learns much from your abilities of illusion.
Congratulations



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posted March 30, 2010 at 5:10 pm


Rich and HG,
Your wrong, I am doing what I said I would be doing…
Just like you rule in favor and write almost daily for murdering developing children. I write for the purposes of protecting them from you…..
They call this kind…It has nothing to do with a compulsive disorder…
Although, you of course athiest in belief, should get some counseling for your faith in not being accountable for anything while trying to ridicule and destroy people and families…
Get some help…



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posted March 30, 2010 at 5:12 pm


p.s. It says in the constitution that we are to defend our Posterity..
So I am in line with the Constitution….
and you?
Posterity -future generations… the future generations are being murdered and then descend into a murderers hands………
C



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posted March 30, 2010 at 5:29 pm


rich and boris,
like i wrote before, you are what i stay away from….for i see you as disrespectful towards human life and children worldwide by way of supporting murderers and the killing of children..
the Constitution states for us to defend our Posterity, not murder them….so you might need some medication for your ridiculing behavior that you find so enlightenning… there might be some medication for that …..it could even be a compulsive disorder of some sort rich or boris, for you have a problem trying to control others who write to protect babies in the womb…which would be satan or better phrased as the anti-christ spirit at work….it is evedent in what you believe…kill and destroy technique……
like the bible says let them have their belief… obviously if we had someone or the great majority of the supreme court were christians, we would not have these choices…for if they were, they would see that those are babies and they need to be protected from the murderers……at this point the Supreme
Court and the elected officials who support abortion are in fact the people responsible for the murders of innocent children in the United States, as well as the abortionist, the person who has the procedure, and anyone associated with organizing, facilitating or in any way shape or form contributing to it in anyway , which would be just a pro-choice vote…for you are giving the option of the murder to take place… and therefore giving permission for the murder to take place………



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posted March 30, 2010 at 5:35 pm


enlighten—to give spirtitual or intellectual insight to…
evident—easily seen or understood;…..



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posted March 31, 2010 at 12:10 am


Mr. Incredible and Cara aka Your Name,
Write less. Think more.



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posted March 31, 2010 at 12:08 pm


Rich, believers don’t think and thinkers don’t believe. Don’t ask a believer to think. It’s like asking a dog to read.



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posted March 31, 2010 at 3:26 pm


RE: rich
like i said before, your post try and control….
RE: boris
like i wrote before, your post put others down, which could be seen as a self-esteem issue… their is conselling for that…like i wrote before….
C



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posted March 31, 2010 at 3:31 pm


or should I write, like i wrote before….
—————————————–
Posterity
future people
in the womb….
developing…..
need…
protection…
from people who murder….
they descend into a murderers hand or hands by way of instrument or gloves….
IF THOSE GLOVES ARE YOURS WHO MURDERED THE CHILD, THEN YOU ARE A MURDERER………..CCCCCCCcccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccc
heavens door……………………………..



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posted March 31, 2010 at 4:06 pm


Wrong, it’s unconstitutional on every ground, The Declaration of Independence makes it clear, that our rights come from God, not from men or govt., The Declaration of Independence is the soul of the Constitution, the First Amendment makes it clear that the people are to peaceably assemble and petition for a redress of grievances, The Supreme Court violated the First Amendment since the ruling in 1947 decision to remove prayer from school, and have removed the bible from schools, and that is a violation of the First Amendment and it is obstruction of justice, which last i remember is a felony is entitled for impeachment, the govt. is to stay in that Constitutional boundaries that our Founders made it to be, because when your forcing your will on the people, that is called a tyranny.



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posted March 31, 2010 at 4:14 pm


“Steven
March 31, 2010 4:06 PM “…””
Carabellum, is that you? Sure ‘sounds’ like Carabellum to me.



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posted March 31, 2010 at 5:01 pm


re: boris
people can study subjects all they want…if they want to take two ,three, or four out and call them a religion, because if is their belief, they can….
c



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posted March 31, 2010 at 5:18 pm


hg,
looks like you miss me….
c
how are those Posterity children holding up under murderous policies?
ow yes, you don’t believe they are people because they haven’t fully developed into living breathing human beings outside of the womb..
i didn’t know that was the definition of people, mr. hg?
looks like you have some explaining to do…
ow yes, i get it, they do what you want when you want privately government law policy, otherwise known as legal abortion…..
so what, when you want to steal something are you going to call it some other name like …privately do what you want funding anything by any means policy….?
i get it punish murderers, while enableing others? wow, we have come a long way haven’t we……and you wonder why people turn to God in times like these, with such insane concepts of ethical value…..the houses and the cars and lifestyles aren’t cutting the mustard anymore..people are looking for leadership and somebody they can count on for moral growth and to establish fundamental rights in law…not kill some who are innocent, while funding the murderers or allowing the killings to continue…hence my blogs are just a mirror to the potencial to which the laws can change to…for the perception is key….who labled these people developing as something less then people? what year was that?
C



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posted March 31, 2010 at 5:30 pm


ccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccc>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to heaven they go
they could have had some time here on earth with their mom and dad who could love them, even if they were the adopted families who would actually love them, instead of kill them and stuff them in a jar in a science lab or something…whatever they do with their poor lifeless bodies, i don’t know…. it looks like the murderer finds them more of value dead, then having a life on the playground with all the other boys and girls….sad but true…then we have a Supreme Court that does not give a hoot about their lives, for if they did, then they would ask for a redress of grievances……C
MORAL ETHICAL VALUE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA……..
Miss Cara Lea Floyd



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posted March 31, 2010 at 5:34 pm


We the People of the United States in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare and secure the
Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constituion for the United States of America……
POSTERITY……………>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ALIVE AGAIN****C



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posted March 31, 2010 at 5:38 pm


CORRECTION



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posted March 31, 2010 at 6:15 pm


Cara, quoting the Constitution, says:

“to ourselves and our Posterity”

Mr. Incredible says:
Yes, “Posterity,” meaning “future generations,” and you can’t have “future generations” without birth, and you can’t have birth without development in the womb, and you can’t have development in the womb without conception.



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posted March 31, 2010 at 7:19 pm


Incred: “…you can’t have “future generations” without birth,…”
You can’t have a “person”, as the word is used in the Fourteenth Amendment, without birth either. When they are born they become legally recognized posterity.
“O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!’
He chortled in his joy.
`Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;” Lewis Carroll
I cannot imagine a slithier bunch of toves! How they do gyre and gimble in the wabe! But, the Jabberwock is headless. Oh yes, the vorpal blade went snicker-snack! Heh-heh. One two, one two, and through and through!



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posted March 31, 2010 at 10:41 pm


Mr. Incredible says:
you can’t have “future generations” without birth,…
HG says:
You can’t have a “person”, as the word is used in the Fourteenth Amendment, without birth either.
Mr. Incredible says:
That’s cuz an unborn person cannot be a citizen, according to the Fourteenth Amendment — that is, according to Justice Blackmun, until there is a suggestion of the legal establishment of “personhood.” In other words, the word “person,” as used in the Fourteenth Amendment, doesn’t refer to the unborn cuz it takes the birth of a person for that person to be a citizen. Unborn persons are not citizens.
HG says:
When they are born they become legally recognized posterity.
Mr. Incredible says:
Not true.
The Founders, where they speak of “posterity,” speak of something that not had yet existed. They expected conception and birth of their posterity.



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posted March 31, 2010 at 10:45 pm


Mr. Incredible says:
you can’t have “future generations” without birth,…
HG says:
You can’t have a “person”, as the word is used in the Fourteenth Amendment, without birth either.
Mr. Incredible says:
However, as Justice Blackmun says, until some legal entity defines “personhood” and brings that definition before the Court, the word “person,” in the Fourteenth Amendment, cannot apply to the unborn cuz the unborn cannot be citizens. The Fourteenth Amendment is about citizenship, not personhood. That’s why Justice Blackmun says that the word “person” in that Amendment doesn’t — as yet — apply to the unborn.



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posted March 31, 2010 at 10:49 pm


If ALL life on Earth began with one cell, except for Boris who has not progressed far beyond that, why deny that human life — forty-six chromosomes — begins with one cell in the womb?



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posted March 31, 2010 at 11:06 pm


If Obammycare requires end-of-life counseling, why can’t the law also require beginning-of-life counseling for the mother of the unborn child?



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posted March 31, 2010 at 11:13 pm


To the pro-kill-the-unborn-by-choice radicals, human life begins at birth. Of course, they don’t say what it is one second before birth.
In other words, it’s the atheist-as-Seinfeld-writer, once again: Something came from nothing; nothing created everything, even the child.



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posted March 31, 2010 at 11:16 pm


When would Nancy Pelosi be pregnant? At conception? When she says so? When the doctor says so? When Obammy says so? When the Cream of Wheat man says so?



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posted March 31, 2010 at 11:18 pm


Would the pregnancy of Nancy Pelosi begin at conception, or at birth?



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posted March 31, 2010 at 11:23 pm


The notion of posterity begins when a man and a woman got funky and realized that their funkiness produced a child. From then on, we realized that a posterity exists and that there is something to protect for the future. That notion is realized upon conception, not birth. Conception begins the development of that physical posterity. Development begins with conception, not with birth.



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posted March 31, 2010 at 11:26 pm


Scientists say that they cannot save the planet:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_8594000/8594561.stm
Sooooo, what happened to Science? We have been told, again and again, that Science, intelligence, empiricism, reason and logic are the answers to everything, that they will solve any and every problem, although, so far, what we’ve seen is that they are starting more fires than they are putting out. Sooooo, wha’ happened???



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posted March 31, 2010 at 11:26 pm


If ALL life on Earth began with one cell, whence that one cell? Who, or what, made that one cell appear at that one place, at that one time?
If there was nothing before, what told whatever elements and chemicals to come together to make that one cell? Who, or what, programmed the environment to come together in that way to form one cell? Otherwise, how’d those elements know what t’do and where t’go?



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posted March 31, 2010 at 11:34 pm


Steven says:
The Supreme Court violated the First Amendment since the ruling in 1947 decision to remove prayer from school, and have removed the bible from schools…
Mr. Incredible says:
In fact, SCOTUS unconstitutionally amended the Constitution by inserting, into the Constitution, what was not there — that is, the so-called “separation of Church and State.” Had the Founders wanted the phrasing, “separation of Church and State,” in the Constitution, they would have put it there. [I'm using Boris' shenanigans there]
as a matter of fact, the Founders mixed public duties and “religion” all the time.



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posted April 1, 2010 at 4:52 pm

Your Name

posted April 1, 2010 at 5:23 pm


born to be alive, not dead…….c
nancy would be pregnant at conception, not at birth…
besides the child is a child in the womb….
if she is trying to say that the person inside the womb is not a person….then we have a liar on our hands….
she knows……
air and the baby crying does not give the child the identity of being who and what they are….c



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posted April 1, 2010 at 5:29 pm


born -brought into life..
a dead baby can be brought into life …..
so dead babies can be born……
so your point is what…
you were even trying to say because the abortionist murdered the child and the baby is born into the world chopped up or however they do it thay they are not even people and were not even born…
as if they did not exist at all….
or course this brings up Embryonic Stem-Cell now doesn’t it…
they put them together manually and now they want us still to believe that they are not people….
wrong again…
they are murdered as well, either by a scientist or leaving them alone to die….that would be murder as well…..they are born dead in a science lab as well….
c
c



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posted April 1, 2010 at 5:34 pm


that
of course
is murder…….ccccccccccc……….>>>>>>>to heaven they go again…
posterity murders>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ccccccccccccccccabortionist and science experiments………………dead on arrival…….ccccccccccccccccccccccccccno
cc



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posted April 1, 2010 at 7:11 pm


“that
of course
is murder…….ccccccccccc……….>>>>>>>to heaven they go again…
posterity murders>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ccccccccccccccccabortionist and science experiments………………dead on arrival…….ccccccccccccccccccccccccccno
cc”
Does that stand for copy circulated or, perhaps, cara comedienne? I find your presentation, and your logic, amusing. Closer to hysterically funny, actually. If stand-up isn’t your thing, maybe ‘Fox news’ would be a good career for you. (I hate to miss Hannity the Manatee, …but a cartoon version might be even funnier!)



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posted April 2, 2010 at 4:12 pm


Where Jefferson says, in the Declaration of Independence, that we are created with the Right to Life, what does he mean by “created”? At conception? Birth? When the woman says so? When the Obammy Regine says so? When “Uncle Ben” says so?



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posted April 2, 2010 at 5:03 pm


hg,
murdering the little children is not a funny matter………….>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deaths door of the abortionist, cold, calculating, lifeless destruction of the litte bodies………..>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>need a breath and need to be with my mommy and daddy>>>>>>>>>>>what, they are killing me>>>>>>>>painnnnnnnn………………..endddd>>>>>>>>>>>>>whereee are the people to save me….ccccccccccccccccccccccccccccc>>>lifelesss cccccccccccc… .. .. . .____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________code blue____________________________________code blue________________________________________________________________________________________cpr_____________________________________________________can’t give cpr______________body chopped up_____________________________________coroner……..death certificate………..name: unknown child parents: unknown



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posted April 2, 2010 at 5:07 pm


pick up the cross and follow me….as Jesus said…..nobody said picking up your cross and following him would be easy………………………………………………………………….c



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posted April 2, 2010 at 6:15 pm


“hg, murdering the little children is not a funny matter…”
I should think not.
“………….>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deaths door of the abortionist, cold, calculating, lifeless destruction of the litte bodies………..>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>need a breath and need to be with my mommy and daddy>>>>>>>>>>>what, they are killing me>>>>>>>>painnnnnnnn………………..endddd>>>>>>>>>>>>>whereee are the people to save me….ccccccccccccccccccccccccccccc>>>lifelesss cccccccccccc… .. .. . .____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________code blue____________________________________code blue________________________________________________________________________________________cpr_____________________________________________________can’t give cpr______________body chopped up_____________________________________coroner……..death certificate………..name: unknown child parents: unknown”
That post, however, belongs in a Saturday Night Live skit. I’m not kidding, you should charge admission! You could donate the money to your church, or a psychotherapist.



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posted April 2, 2010 at 6:57 pm


your a murder by nature, hg, it is evident by how lightly you think murdering people is…..the end…..c
i don’t have a psychotherapist……..thanks again….for your ludicrous insults, not suprising it comes from you a godless individual who gets off on hurting others……….hence, pro-abortionist…………



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posted April 2, 2010 at 7:22 pm


“your a murder by nature, hg, it is evident by how lightly you think murdering people is…..the end…..c”
I’m a murder? I think you’re trying to get me to laugh myself to death, so perhaps you are guilty of attempted murder yourself!
“i don’t have a psychotherapist…”
Yes, I referred to that inference on my part.
“…thanks again….for your ludicrous insults,”
Tut-tut, I’m glad you find them as amusing as I do.
“not suprising it comes from you a godless individual who gets off on hurting others……….hence, pro-abortionist…………”
Ah, are you pretending that you haven’t hurled a few insults? Who cast the first stone between us? I believe you did. Having the opinion that supernatural beings are 100% imagined has no connection whatever to one’s ability to return verbal fire. As far as hurting anyone, …who? You remarked yourself that you no longer allow remarks to hurt you. Who could I hurt in calling you the greatest comedienne to ever live?



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posted April 3, 2010 at 3:24 am


murdering the little children is not a funny matter
Boris says: Calling abortion murder isn’t funny either. It’s an outrageous lie told by evil people.
………….>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deaths door of the abortionist, cold, calculating, lifeless destruction of the litte bodies
Boris says: A piece of tissue smaller than a raisin isn’t a body.
………..>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>need a breath and need to be with my mommy and daddy>>>>>>>>>>>what, they are killing me
Boris says: A fetus cannot think because it doesn’t have a language or any concept of mommy and daddy, let alone killing.
>>>>>>>>painnnnnnnn………………..endddd>>>>>>>>>>>>>whereee are the people to save me….ccccccccccccccccccccccccccccc>>>lifelesss cccccccccccc… .. .. .
Boris says: The brain of a fetus is not developed enough to feel pain until the eight month of the pregnancy.
You don’t know the first thing about abortion. So instead all you do is spout a bunch of lies put in your head by your religious cult leaders. You Bible thumping liars are the most evil scum that has ever existed on this planet. This is why we have put an end to your evil and false religion.



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posted April 3, 2010 at 6:58 am


Blotto Boris says:
You Bible thumping liars are the most evil scum that has ever existed on this planet.
Mr. Incredible says:
Romans 8:1 KJV
We don’t mind what scoffers say.
Notice all the hate in Blotto’s posts? Is THAT what intelligence, reason, logic and Science are all about??
Blotto Boris says:
This is why we have put an end to your evil and false religion.
Mr. Incfedible asks:
Gee, I’d like to see you try.
So, how do you propose to “put an end” to what you claim is our “evil and false ‘religion'”??



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posted April 3, 2010 at 7:00 am


Boris says:
The brain of a fetus is not developed enough to feel pain until the eight month of the pregnancy.
Mr. Incredible says:
However, the unborn child, not the mother, before eight months, will flinch, if pricked by a pin.



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posted April 3, 2010 at 7:02 am


Hey, Slobbering Boris, put your hand in front-a yo’ face.



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posted April 3, 2010 at 7:02 am


Now, talk to it.



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posted April 3, 2010 at 5:27 pm


boris,
are you calling Jesus an evil cult leader?
who said the abortion was in the first week?
ow you admit they have a brain, thus indicating personhood…..
ow you think i don’t know the first thing about abortion….how are you enjoying the your support group of fellow murderers of like minds….sounds like a cult to me……..who is your leader?
c



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posted April 3, 2010 at 11:20 pm


So, how do you propose to “put an end” to what you claim is our “evil and false ‘religion'”??
Boris says: It’s already dead: “Christianity…has been over for a hundred years now… When something even so small as a light bulb goes out, the eyes for a moment still see it; and a sound after it is made will have, in the right places, an echo. So it is not at all strange that when something so huge as a world religion goes out, there remains for a century or more in certain places some notion that it is still there.” – Mary Jean Irion
are you calling Jesus an evil cult leader?
Boris says: No such person as Jesus Christ ever existed. In the gospels Jesus is an allegory for the sun passing through the 12 signs of the zodiac. The Christian religion is a parody on the worship of the Sun,
in which they put a man whom they call Christ, in the place of the Sun, and pay him the same adoration which was originally paid to the Sun. – Thomas Paine



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posted April 4, 2010 at 3:56 am


Boris says:
No such person as Jesus Christ ever existed.
Mr. Incredible says:
Of course, you tried, too, to get everybody to think, wrongly, that 2 Samuel 21:19 is a contradiction as to whether Daniel Killed Goliath, or not; and I made a fool of you — or should I say MORE of a fool of you — by pointing out that the 2 Sam verse is about killing the brother of Goliath, and that 1 Chronicles 20:5 proves YOU wrong. So, it turns out that what your boyfriend told you is wrong.



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posted April 4, 2010 at 4:01 am


Mr. Incredible asks:
So, how do you propose to “put an end” to what you claim is our “evil and false ‘religion'”??
Boris says:
It’s already dead…
Mr. Incredible asks:
B-b-b-b-b-but YOU said that YOU people have to “put an end” to it. That indicates a future action to “put an end” to it. What is the action you propose?
Boris says:
“…Mary Jean Irion”
Mr. Incredible says:
Soooo, other people have to tell you what to think. Ok, we get it.
Boris says:
No such person as Jesus Christ ever existed.
Mr. Incredible says:
Except that history proves you wrong…again.



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posted April 5, 2010 at 6:40 am


Belial Boris says:
No such person as Jesus Christ ever existed.
Mr. Incredible says:
You’re confused. Please consult your court-appointed psychiatrist.



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House

posted April 5, 2010 at 11:27 am


To Boris and all the other followers of nothing. History has proven time and time again that Jesus did exist and that he made a major impact on the world. People don’t surrender and die for just mere “stories or fables”, people die for what they belive in and KNOW to be true. I will die for something but people like you will die for “nothing”.
Give Christ your heart. Let Him be Lord of your life now.



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Your Name

posted April 5, 2010 at 3:27 pm


hg,
in one of your ealier post, you wrote, people with high abilities are linked to stupidity…what was that phrase all about?…do you just like continually chopping, even the gifted individuals? how sad is that, you can’t even recognize people with gifts and appreciate that. you even have to chop down the specialness of the individual….why is that? do you feel more important then? it’s like a bully on the playground , who tries to get all the other kids to be bullies as well, when all the while the kids that they are picking on are bright, intelligent, pretty, cute, athletic, honest, and special… ….c



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HG

posted April 5, 2010 at 10:48 pm


Carabellum: “hg, in one of your ealier post, you wrote, people with high abilities are linked to stupidity…what was that phrase all about?”
That was a Pitkin quote, and his observation; you’re supposed to decide what it means, if anything, for yourself. I included my observation, it’s still there. The rest of your post is fantasy-comedy scripted, directed, and produced by Carabellum Industries. Not your best stuff either, imho.



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Boris

posted April 5, 2010 at 11:15 pm


House and all you followers of truly nothing:
No secular writer wrote a word about any of the events in the gospels. We are expected to believe that Jesus was entirely ignored by all secular writers at the time that he supposedly lived even though:
A Special star appears to signal his birth (Matt 2:2). Massacre of infants in attempt to kill him (Matt 2:16). Goes about ‘healing every disease and every infirmity’ (Matt 4:23). Fame spreads throughout all Syria so ‘all the sick’ are brought to him – who are then healed by him (Matt 4:24). Followed by ‘crowds’ (Matt 5:1).
‘Great crowds’ follow him (Matt 8:1). Heals leper (Matt 8:3). Heals paralyzed servant (Matt 8:13). Heals Peter’s mother-in-law (Matt 8:15). ‘Many’ afflicted brought to him: he heals ‘all who were sick’ (Matt 8:16). Great crowds follow him (Matt 8;18). Heals demoniacs and kills some pigs (Matt 8:32). Heals paralytic (Matt 9:7). Crowds witness healing (Matt 9:8). A ruler comes to him for help with daughter (Matt 9:18).
Heals woman with hemorrhage (Matt 9:22). Heals ruler’s daughter (Matt 9:25). ‘Report of this went through all that district’ (Matt 9:26). Heals two blind men (Matt 9:30). They ‘spread his fame through all that district’ (Matt 9:31). Heals dumb demoniac (Matt 9:33). Crowds marvel (Matt 9:33).
Heals ‘every disease and every infirmity’ as he travels about cities and villages (Matt 9:35).
Followed by crowds (Matt 9:36).
Preaches in cities (Matt 11:1).
Speaks to crowds (Matt 11:7).
Heals man with withered hand (Matt 12:13). Many follow him and ‘he heals them all’ (Matt 12:15). Heals blind and dumb demoniac (Matt 12:22). ‘Great crowds gather’ around him (Matt 13:2).
Speaks to the crowds (Matt 13:34).
Herod hears about Jesus’ fame (Matt 14:1). Crowds follow him, he heals the sick, and feeds 5000+ (Matt 14:13). On entering Gennesaret, he is recognized and all the sick are brought to him and all those who touch him are healed (Matt 14:36). Great crowds come to him with the sick and they are healed (Matt 15:30). ‘The thong’ see ‘the dumb speaking, the maimed whole, the lame walking and the blind seeing’ (Matt 15:31). Feeds 4000+. Crowds are sent away (Matt 15:38). Meets crowd and heals epileptic (Matt 17:14,18).
Large crowds follow him in Judea and he heals them (Matt 19:2).
Great crowd follows him on leaving Jericho (Matt 20:29). Heals two blind men (Matt 20:34). Ejects Temple traders (Matt 21:12).
Heals blind and lame (Matt 21:14).
People call for his execution (Matt 27:23). All the people admit responsibility (Matt 27:25). Darkness ‘over all the land’ (Matt 27:45). Temple curtain torn and earthquake (Matt 27:51). Saints came out of their tombs and appear in Jerusalem (Matt 27:52-53).
Resurrected from dead (Matt 28:1ff).
It is of course too absurd for words for any rational person to suggest that anyone who was involved in all of this (and the above is only from Matthew – John has further miracles), and in just three years (John) or one year (Synoptics), could go unnoticed by all the secular writers of the time, and indeed anyone capable of writing.



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Boris

posted April 5, 2010 at 11:21 pm


You people are SO misinformed. Sure Christianity, which actually evolved from ancient sun worshiping cults, has made a major impact on the world. It’s the worst human tragedy ever. However there’s no evidence that Jesus or any of his disciples even existed let alone had any impact in the world. Without using the Bible, prove Jesus actually existed. Give me some contemporary secular sources, when they wrote and what they said about Jesus.



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Your Name

posted April 6, 2010 at 3:02 pm


have you studied Josephus…check the spelling, a none historian during the time period…..
as for the Bible being true and an accurate history book….there are pots and wall and writings during the time period which duplicate some of the names of the Bible and i believe Josephus recorded the crucifixion of Jesus….c of course i was studying that several years back , just to get some background information and to be able to refute some of the athiest or agnostic, or other faith based backgrounds with other information than the Bible to legitimate the text…..it reads true….c



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Your Name

posted April 6, 2010 at 3:18 pm


hg your just following suit to your past blogs of abuse, a none scoffer of industries inc…..none as a bully of sorts, trying to corral like minds to i suppose mock and jab with mindless insults of sorts, for the purpose to insult their views….this is in accordance with godless individuals who are selfish to the bone…………………….hope that works out for you and you don’t exhibit anymore of your arragant obituaries to sway the public towards abusive behavior…what do they say, birds of a feather flock together…so i will not be flocking with your species……c



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HG

posted April 6, 2010 at 4:21 pm


Carabellum: “hg your just following suit to your past blogs of abuse, a none scoffer of industries inc…what do they say, birds of a feather flock together…so i will not be flocking with your species……c”
Right, you belong with the flocking do-do’s. It isn’t far to the finish line for you now, and I’m completely convinced that you deserve to finish first.
“…jab with mindless insults of sorts, for the purpose to insult their views…”
Yes, I sometimes insult the mindless; but you seem able to shrug it off.



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Your Name

posted April 7, 2010 at 2:36 pm


that phrase meant your insults are mindless……abusers are angry, pointless individuals who get some sort of satisfaction of degrading others…..only to find in the end that they are hurting themselves….the end…..



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Your Name

posted April 9, 2010 at 5:26 pm


no
Christianity did not evolve from the worshipers of the sun…that is a lie also boris…
it evolved when Jesus died on a cross for your sins and mine, to return to His father in heaven as the first fruit, while the Holy Spirit came down to us for our council …the Spirit of God……..actually it started before that , you see God had a plan…followed through when the Word became flesh…..



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HG

posted April 9, 2010 at 6:43 pm


“Christianity… evolved when Jesus died on a cross for your sins and mine, to return to His father in heaven as the first fruit, while the Holy Spirit came down to us for our council …the Spirit of God……..actually it started before that , you see God had a plan…followed through when the Word became flesh…..”
Jesus was the first fruit? That’s one funny flocking do-do!



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My Name

posted April 9, 2010 at 11:44 pm


C – when you refer to lies… are you referring to the lies you tell yourself to help you sleep at night? What are you trying to hide? Is the abortion you had in your past fueling your crazy argument to try and prevent other women from making their own decisions about their own bodies? Good luck. You can’t change the past. You have to be accountable for your own decisions.
Is this the only place people will pay attention to your ridiculous opinions?
Please stop punishing others with your words. Take responsibility for your actions. No one wants to see your words and crazy nonsense. Please keep your craziness to yourself and spare those with rational thought processes. Just because you say so doesn’t make something true.
Why don’t you list the definition of:
bi-polar
ignorant
hypocrite
and let everyone else live their lives in peace



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Your Name

posted April 10, 2010 at 5:29 pm


alittle sugar never hurts……
Go Lakers….c



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Your Name

posted April 10, 2010 at 5:30 pm


i don’t know last entry, you can look those defintions up for yourself….i am none of those….i have been in contact with those who are…..



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Your Name

posted April 10, 2010 at 5:33 pm


in regards to my name:
i don’t know what your talking about?
i am against people who destroy other childrens bodies, i protect Posterity….i am trying to give peace to the children that are being destroyed by selfish arrogant people who protect murder, and you?
C



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Mr. Incredible

posted April 10, 2010 at 5:40 pm


Your Name says:
Go Lakers….c
Mr. Incredible says:
Now, hold on there! This year belongs to the Suns.



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Mr. Incredible

posted April 10, 2010 at 5:48 pm


Your Name says:
Christianity did not evolve from the worshipers of the sun…that is a lie also boris…
Mr. Incredible says:
Boris is one big lie, come in the flesh.



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Mr. Incredible

posted April 10, 2010 at 5:51 pm


If you look at the method of Boris’ writing, it takes on a “Triumph of the Will” appearance of a Göbbels rally in Munich.



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Your Name

posted April 10, 2010 at 5:54 pm


says who?



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Your Name

posted April 10, 2010 at 5:55 pm


it’s pretty hot over there. we get a nice breeze over here in ca.



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Your Name

posted April 10, 2010 at 5:57 pm


who are you mr. incredible? of course you can wear a mask like zoro or something around the house, while you fight the bad guys in town…



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Mr. Incredible

posted April 10, 2010 at 5:58 pm


Remember that Boris, himself, says he is a Jew.
In the concentration camps and WWAAAAYYYY back with the Israelites in Egypt, the overseers and supervisors who were Jewish were more mean and nasty and inhumane than the Germans and the Egyptians.



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Your Name

posted April 10, 2010 at 6:00 pm


do you do the dishes too?



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Mr. Incredible

posted April 17, 2010 at 11:38 pm


Your Name says:
do you do the dishes too?
Mr. Incredible says:
Why not?



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Patricia17

posted September 1, 2010 at 11:57 am


I would agree with some form of health care reform, provided it really reformed health care. We are geographically limited in what we can buy. The system is rigged against us. Health care is not based on a market place but instead on a monopoly of like-minded companies, which is to extort the maximum dollar while providing the minimum service. If I can’t afford health care, I will pay for it anyway with my income tax return, but I will be buying what they’re selling, not necessarily either what I want or need.
This health care package is as hokey as the current system, except now I will be forced to buy into it.



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