Lynn v. Sekulow

Lynn v. Sekulow


Summit Reveals Real Goal in Health Care Debate

posted by Jay Sekulow

Barry,

 

It was almost too much to watch.  Not that it was compelling television – it wasn’t.  Just the sheer amount of time (nearly eight hours) devoted to what amounted to nothing more than a photo-op for President Obama and the Congressional Democrats to tout their health care plan. 

 

There wasn’t much bipartisanship exhibited here, but what did become apparent is that the real goal of the summit was to clear the way for the Democrats to go-it-alone and force their health care plan on the American people using ‘reconciliation.’

 

That’s really too bad.  The fact is that ‘reconciliation’ should not be used to pass health care reform.  It’s a partisan, legislative maneuver and is usually reserved for minor budgetary issues – not massive policy reform.  Sure, Republicans have used reconciliation in the past – but never to revamp one-fifth of our economy.

After repeatedly dismissing pleas from Republicans to scrap the existing health care bills that most Americans have already said they don’t want, Sen. Harry Reid actually sat there and denied that this legislative scheme is even in the mix.  This from the Senate’s top Democrat who has repeatedly joined with House Speaker Pelosi in acknowledging that this tactic is an option to pass health care. 

 

Well, the summit proved one thing – it’s much more than an option now.  It’s the game plan.  President Obama said as much when he proclaimed that Democrats are ready to move forward – with or without Republican support. 

 

And, now there are reports about a fast-track timeline - a plan to use this ploy in the next four weeks – before Easter break. 

 

The goal seems clear: push a health care plan through Congress in a partisan manner that limits debate.  And, pass a health care plan using a method that most Americans oppose. 

 

And, there’s something else that most Americans don’t want - a health care plan that permits federal funds to be used to pay for abortion. 

 

Of course this issue wasn’t even on the agenda.  Why didn’t President Obama invite fellow Democrat Rep. Bart Stupak of Michigan who spearheaded language in the House bill that prohibited using federal taxpayer funds for abortion? 

 

The Democrats didn’t want to focus on this issue – not with the American people watching.

 

House Minority Leader John Boehner did bring it up, though, and tried to express his concern to the President over the fact that the Senate-passed bill, which President Obama has embraced, clears the way for taxpayer funding for abortion. 

 

But President Obama sidestepped the issue – even chastised Boehner calling his concerns political talking points.  

 

It’s clear what’s going on – the Democrats are moving full speed ahead – trying to push through a faulty, pro-abortion plan. 

 

Senator Reid says “we are going to do this” and Speaker Pelosi adds “we’re going to move forward.”  

 

It really doesn’t matter what the American people want.  It really doesn’t matter that there’s no Republican support for this.  Just ram in through. 

 

By the way, it should come as no surprise that President Obama and the Democrats monopolized most of the summit – taking more than twice the time afforded to Republicans. 

 

No matter how much the President and Congressional Democrats talk, it won’t change the fact: this health care package is not what the nation needs or deserves.

 

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Jerral Campfield

posted February 26, 2010 at 3:12 pm


For the fist time in our History we saw the President try to force everyone to think like Him and the Democrats backing him 100%. This is not politic this is control. We have to get back to the place we honore common sense that is recorded in the BIBLE and find peace, love and value in life. We are seeing Government, Economic and yes religion wanting control over the affairs of man. This is setting the world up for the anti Christ and we need to be concerned and pray for our country as will as the rest of the World.
May the LORD BLESS AMERICA AGAIN! Let’s ask forgiveness and turn from wanting control to wanting God to be in control of our land.
BLessing to you all and choose to follow the Lord through this wilderness of life we are all in.



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Paul

posted February 26, 2010 at 4:03 pm


No one with the eyes open would think the Democrats back Obama 100%. Look at the votes in the Congress. It is the Republicans who have the unblemished record of obstructionism. I cannot believe that not one single Republican senator (at at least two in the House) believes his or her constituents would be better off with what seems now to be the best bill attainable.
As to the Bible: how about Ezek. 34:2-3, where God takes the rulers to task for not healing the people, “Thus says the Lord God: Ho, shepherds of Israel who have been feeding yourselves! Should not shepherds feed the sheep? You eat the fat, you clothe yourselves with the wool, you slaughter the fatlings, but you do not feed the sheep. The weak you have not strengthened, the sick you have not healed, the crippled you have not bound up …”. Health care is the government’s responsibility. I am an independent, but I am less and less able to vote Republican when they seem increasingly to be the party of the wealthy, not of the common good.



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Will

posted February 26, 2010 at 4:03 pm


I’m really confused… While I’ll readily admit that the health insurance industry (or oligopoly, if you want to get technical) has been rather unprincipled in their dealings with consumers, I wasn’t convinced that massive reform is what we needed, especially with our finances in the shape they’re in now. But as I’ve watch this debate unfold over the last year-plus, the plan that coalesced out of the never-ending back & forth essentially mirrors the rather moderate plan touted by Bob Dole(R), Mike Pence(R) and Tom Daschle(D) over a year ago. Everything – from tort reform to buying across state lines to fraud investigation and so on – the GOP has demanded (often for good reason), has been included. The only thing the Democrats have stuck to their guns on is an array of consumer protections. Now, I don’t much care for government interference, be it in the private sector or my own home. But I do think we all benefit from basic safety regulations and consumer protections that living in a modern, post-industrialized nation affords us. If you’ve ever lived or traveled extensively outside of the U.S., Canada, or Western Europe, I’m sure you what I’m talking about.
And as far as I can tell, that’s where the communication breaks down. Democrats want to see some standards – akin to the way the FDA enforces something as simultaneously benign and important as the Fair Packaging and Labeling act – and the GOP doesn’t. It seems an awfully strange place for Republicans to make their stand, though. At this point I have to say the GOP only seems to be concerned with thwarting something that might, in hindsight, one day be considered important and rather groundbreaking legislation. And that it would forever be a feather in the caps of Democrats. I’m an avowed independent and have no dog in this fight, but when the congressional majority caves on every single one of your demands, it might be time for you to meet them half way on something like minimum standards. Don’t worry, there will be plenty of other fights where obstructionism will make much more sense, especially when considering “the long game.”
Good luck and God bless.



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Your Name

posted February 26, 2010 at 4:08 pm


For all of you who think American is a football game and you root for either the red or the blue, I have news! America is a pot of boiling water with no handles! The election of Obama was a protest against business as usual and that has turned into MORE business as usuall with the bailouts of wall street and the unions. You may think “car makers” but it was actually the unions that were bailed out. Now we are going to get Govt. health care rammed down our throat whether we like it or not. The Govt. has looted and pillaged every Govt. program that has ever existed with the big money funds like SS catching it the worse. A word to the wise encumbant, if you have other skills to make a living, you should be looking to them now. You have all managed to do one thing you can be proud of, you have awakened the sleeping majority who only want our Constituion and Big Govt. out of our lives. Its going to take a whole new group of people to accomplish this and neither will be called a democrat or republican.



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Will

posted February 26, 2010 at 4:10 pm


oops, I typed Mike Pence when I meant Howard Baker.



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John Lofton

posted February 26, 2010 at 4:22 pm


Instead of continuing to be a Republican Party cheerleader FIRST, instead of a Christian first, and attacking only Democrats, Jay Sekulow should have been pointing out that for the government to be involved in “health care” is unGodly (not the role of civil government according to Scripture) and unConstitutional (not allowed by Article 1, Section 8.)
John Lofton, Editor, TheAmericanView.com
Communications Director, Institute on the Constitution
Host, “The American View” Radio Show
Recovering Republican
JLof@aol.com



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Your Name

posted February 26, 2010 at 4:47 pm


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,…………………
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**********************************************************************We the People of the United States in Order to form A more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
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We the People of the United States in Order to form A more perfect Union………, promote the general Welfare,……………………..
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So that is what I see in regards to religion and health care.
Cara Lea Floyd



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Isaac

posted February 26, 2010 at 4:48 pm


First, It’s despicable that this website is spewing political garbage to sell advertising- the only reason I see this opinion piece being here is to sell the three banner ads on this page as I visit (one for Rachel Ray’s diet plan, one for a matchmaking service and one for a big business political cause)
The only remotely christian or spiritual portion of this shills diatribe is the abortion portion, but any good christian knows you solve the abortion issue with outreach, education and neighborhood level charity works. NOONE wants to see a woman get an abortion, but if it’s made illegal than young girls either die in back alleys or get money from their (probably republican) parents to travel to a place where it is safe and legal.
And this incessant refrain on health care reform of “push it through and limit debate” is so tired, this country has been debating the best way to solve our ever growing health care crisis for decades. Anyone who doesn’t see this issue as a working families/small business vs. entrenched corporate and political interests is disingenuous or foolish.
Sekulow, like his mentor Pat Robertson, is the worst kind of Christian- using his ‘faith’ as a sword rather than a salve. He should be ashamed.



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ds0490

posted February 26, 2010 at 4:57 pm


“The fact is that ‘reconciliation’ should not be used to pass health care reform. It’s a partisan, legislative maneuver and is usually reserved for minor budgetary issues – not massive policy reform.”
With all due respect, Mr. Sekulow, you are lying through your teeth. Reconciliation was used to pass the following MAJOR initiatives:
1982 — TEFRA: The Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act first opened Medicare to HMOs
1986 — COBRA: The Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act allowed people who were laid off to keep their health coverage, and stopped hospitals from dumping ER patients unable to pay for their care
1987 — OBRA ’87: Added nursing home protection rules to Medicare and Medicaid, created no-fault vaccine injury compensation program
1989 — OBRA ’89: Overhauled doctor payment system for Medicare, created new federal agency on research and quality of care
1990 — OBRA ’90: Added cancer screenings to Medicare, required providers to notify patients about advance directives and living wills, expanded Medicaid to all kids living below poverty level, required drug companies to provide discounts to Medicaid
1993 — OBRA ’93: created federal vaccine funding for all children
1996 — Welfare Reform: Separated Medicaid from welfare
1997 — BBA: The Balanced Budget Act created the state-federal childrens’ health program called CHIP
2005 — DRA: The Deficit Reduction Act reduced Medicaid spending, allowed parents of disabled children to buy into Medicaid
THe only question I have for you is how much the GOP is paying you to be their Christian pimp?



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EllieDee

posted February 26, 2010 at 5:00 pm


What I learned was, that Dems have no problem double talking. And to expect ethical behavior, rather than just politics is simplistic on our part. That Reid and Pelosi, seemed childish and emotionally insincere. Mr Reid chastized the opposition for saying they were considering reconcilation. Yet in his next breathe he said, that Ms Pelosi and he, have spoken about many other options they may use, to get the bill foward. Implying reconciliation was one of them.
If you are seeking truth from our Government stop looking. All we now have to ask of them..is to do us no harm!



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Your Name

posted February 26, 2010 at 5:07 pm


No, you fight against abortion at the core. Which is what I do, perception! Which fights against all levels of the issue. Don’t get me wrong, you can fight peoples perceptions on the abortion issue, in any location. And no, I am not doing this for my own edification.
Cara



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Your Name

posted February 26, 2010 at 5:10 pm


p.s. You don’t encourage young girls to get abortions for health reasons. By doing so, would be a health disaster for the child, as well as a scar in their emotional core.



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Your Name

posted February 26, 2010 at 5:17 pm


Hebrew 4: 12
For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
C



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HG

posted February 26, 2010 at 6:03 pm


Ahh-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah-ahh-Hah-Hah-Bwah-hah-hah-hah-ha. Cara, you missed your calling–you should have been a comic! “Don’t worry, my Invisible Friend will save us!” Ahhhh-HAH-HAH-Hah. You are hilarious! Hysterical! Too funny!



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Alphonzo

posted February 26, 2010 at 6:14 pm


Isaac my buddy you are so wrong. I dont agree with all Mr. Sekulow views but he’s right on point with this one. Open your eyes America this has nothing to do with Healthcare it’s all about control. In 13 months the government now has control of half of the American automotive industry,banking Industry,and housing industry. He also tried to sensor the internet people please read history ( Look up Stalin, Communism, Socialism, Mao). if you control the money and health care and can sensor what information we receive. We will no longer be free!! Obama is against free market or the stimulus money would have been pushed to small businesses to growth not green jobs. Look at who receive all this Green job money companies owned by friends and they will also be unionized it’s a game.



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DSJulian

posted February 26, 2010 at 7:06 pm


Come on Jay, it seems every time you write one of these you go fuarther and farther over the edge. What part of Nancy Pelosi saying “It is illegal for federal dollars to be used for abortions” did you not understand? Talk about your photo op! Behner had so much phony tan on he looked like his face was made out of old football leather. And every one of the Republican delegates not only used the same handful of talking points, they used the exact verbiage, one of them tripping over his own tongue because he couldn’t even read the “script” correctly even after they rehearsed it for a week in advance…
Republicans claim the Bill is too long, yet fully half of the verbiage in it is from their own amendments. Then they claimed Obama’s “starting point” was too short. Then they wanted to wipe the slate clean and “start with a clean sheet of paper” as if 45000 people a month weren’t already dying for no other reason than their delaying tactics. The Republicans had every opportunity to bring something substative to the table, but instead they chose to repeat their same 1-page, do-nothing mantras. Everybody, even Republicans and their tea-bagger idiot children, knew this would be a big waste of time. The point was for the American public, especially uncommitted voters, to see this blatant, self-aggrandizing obstructionism of the Party of No for themselves.
It’s time to “start over” alright. This time, to do it right, leaving the obstructionists out of it, by extending Medicare to all Americans, period — right now — which is what the overwhelming majority of Americans across the board want.



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Max Bloom

posted February 26, 2010 at 7:26 pm


This article is a Republican ad. In accurate, biased, and fear mongering. Just like the Republican party has been all along. I found the article offensive, and unworthy of journalistic praise.
MB



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HG

posted February 26, 2010 at 7:28 pm


DS wrote: “The point was for the American public, especially uncommitted voters, to see this blatant, self-aggrandizing obstructionism of the Party of No for themselves.”
Bingo! The early goal of “making this (Obama’s) Waterloo” made it clear that this is not about the American People to the Republicans. Reconciliation NOW!



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Eric

posted February 26, 2010 at 7:34 pm


Somebody ought to tell Sekulow that real people– adults, teens, seniors, kids– have a right to life and that that right is not restricted to his precious fetuses. People w/o health insurance are more likely to depend on emergency room care, where they are more likely than people with insurance to die, and not develop relationships with primary care doctors, leaving many conditions unnoticed, undiagnosed and untreated until it’s too late.



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Katie

posted February 26, 2010 at 7:43 pm


The Democratic majority in the House, Senate, and the Democratic president are going to pass a health care reform bill, and all you can say is the majority party is going to “force” their legislation on the American people. Are you referring to the Democrats who were voted into office by a majority of Americans, who wanted the party that is now in power to vote for this legislation? Are you talking about the majority of Americans who soundly rejected the Republican agenda?
Do you understand the way the American government works? You can look it up; it’s really not that hard to understand. Majority rules. When the minority party is obstructionist and seeks to undermine the will of the people at every turn, lies constantly, manipulates the press, and lies about every single thing the Democrats say, they are not trying to implement the will of the American people. Rather, they are only working toward their own agenda of regaining power, the welfare of the American people doesn’t matter to the Republicans. And you know it.
You are lying about the use of reconciliation. The Republicans have used reconciliation more times than the Democrats. When the Republicans ran Congress, DeLay, Gingrich and their Republican buddies didn’t care one bit about bipartisanship, or how they had to pass legislation, and you know it. They even lied to take America to war, a war that 95% of the country didn’t want until the Bush-Cheney White House terrified people with the made up the weapons of mass destruction.
As far as abortion goes, you know very well that federal dollars won’t be used to pay for it. But they should, because abortion is a legal medical procedure. The ban on federal funding of abortion is only going to hurt poor women; rich women will always be able to get an abortion, and you know that also. But you don’t care.
You only care about Republicans regaining power, even if it’s at the expense of women, low-income people, Americans’ health and welfare….anything and everything that might get in your way. You lie to get what you want. You aren’t fooling anyone who doesn’t want to be fooled.



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N. Lindzee Lindholm

posted February 26, 2010 at 11:18 pm


Was it really a “summit”? Since the Dems did not listen one iota to the Reps anyway, wouldn’t it be more aptly called a trough? Enough with semantics, but “disappointing” is what the meeting should be described as because what was said that hasn’t been said before? Gridlock ensued, much like late afternoon traffic in a large city with all the bells, whistles, and horns (e.g. cajoling and name-calling) that is characteristic of so many political rallies. The Merriam-Webster dictionary defines “reconciliation” as the action of making consistent or congruent. I suggest folks familiarize themselves with, and even memorize the definition before the downhill ski begins.



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Will

posted February 27, 2010 at 9:47 am


Now again, I’m an independent who has voted for both Dems and Republicans, and I hold no blind allegiance to either party (a policy which I personally think would behoove more Americans to adopt). But to say that the Democrats aren’t listening to the Republicans is either ill-informed or completely disingenuous. They’ve adopted the majority of GOP proposals at this point. They’ve indicated repeatedly that they are interested in tort reform (which the CBO has determined will possibly save a whopping 0.5%), buying across state lines, et al. The bills in the House and Senate ALREADY contain GOP proposals such as:
1) Including personal responsibility incentives, allowing health insurance premium to vary based on participation in proven employer wellness programs
2)Advancing medical liability reform through grants to States
3)Extending dependent coverage to age 26
4)Allowing automatic enrollment by employers in health insurance (allowing employees to opt-out)
Now it may be your opinion that health care reform is generally a bad idea, or that the government has no place in this arena. But one can not in good faith say the Democrats are not listening to Republican demands.



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Chall8987

posted February 27, 2010 at 11:14 am


When Mr. Sekulow says the Democrats are going to pass HCR through reconciliation, he’s wrong and as a lawyer, I’d would hope that he knows it. The Senate and House have already passed HCR through normal procedures. Reconciliation, or a vote according to the American concept that the MAJORITY rules, will only pass budgetary compromises between the two houses, such as getting rid of the Medicare deals brokered in the Senate and limiting the Cadillac tax.
I’m glad to see the Democrats finally moving forward, now pass the bill!



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Your Name

posted February 27, 2010 at 2:37 pm


No, HG I did not miss my calling. Looks like another put down again. So telling of your character. Try writing about a constructive issue, wrather than the belittling blogs. It sort of reminds me of a kid when he keeps doing bad stuff when he wants his mama’s attention. So, maybe you should give your mom a call. C



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Your Name

posted February 27, 2010 at 2:41 pm


Re: Chall8987
If there is any tax funds represented in any proposed health care bill that would be directed towards abortion, then that would be an unconstitution bill.
C



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Your Name

posted February 27, 2010 at 2:45 pm


Re: John Lofton
What scripture are you referencing in your article?
What part of Article 1 Section 8 are you referencing as unconstitutional in regards to a proposed bill?
C



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HG

posted February 27, 2010 at 3:21 pm


“Try writing about a constructive issue,”
You mean like when I burned down your argument that The Framers use of the word “Posterity” means we are commanded to protect eggs by the Constitutiion.
Or maybe like when I burned down your argument that No religious action is prohitible.
“wrather (sic) than the belittling blogs.”
You got something against comics? Nothing belittling there.
“It sort of reminds me of a kid when he keeps doing bad stuff when he wants his mama’s attention.”
What bad stuff? I don’t want your attention, honestly, I wish you’d stop pushing your lying propaganda and disappear.
“So, maybe you should give your mom a call.”
That would be difficult since my mother is dead. Maybe it would be better if you developed skin thicker than tissue paper, or simply cease your deceptive, error-filled, posting.



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Your Name

posted February 27, 2010 at 3:35 pm


If your mom is no longer living, call your dad or a friend to work some of your issues out.



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Your Name

posted February 27, 2010 at 3:38 pm


I’m sorry you lost your parent. I know that is difficult when you lose somebody you love.
C



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gwyddion9

posted February 27, 2010 at 8:06 pm


“Summit Reveals Real Goal in Health Care Debate”
yes, it does. We have two GOP members one from Kentucky who said tough sh*t to those in need and then Minnasota who said that hospitals should turn away the poor if they can’t pay so as to balance their budget.
As usual, the GOP stands for Joe wealthy and Big business, not Joe poor or Joe middle class.
The GOP has no ‘invested interest’ in caring for anyone other than themselves, big business or the wealthy…where the money lies.



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HG

posted February 27, 2010 at 10:07 pm


Yeah, i saw that, gwiddion9. (For where the BIG money, and power, lies see: Bankers and thieves) Also hysterical to see them attempt to prevent a Senator from saying that every Republican he has ever met has been a wholly owned subsidiary of Big Insurance. Crikey’s mate, how they hate to admit the facts!
Like Cara, whose condolences I accept while pointing out that I cannot call my father either, as he too died recently. Never the less, I am generally happy as a clam, and well adjusted. Happily single. Happily godless. Happily sensible. Happily well read. If I need help, it is most likely to be medical, yes, but not psychological. I have serious doubts, however, about Cara’s psychological state. Precarious is a word that comes to mind.



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Jjoe

posted February 27, 2010 at 10:20 pm


You cannot be pro-life and be against health care for all.
Our country is 44th in infant mortality. 44th. Children die every day in this country for lack of health care, but since they’re already born few Christians seem to care.
There will be sheep and there will be goats, and I don’t think “well, we hated the Democrats” is going to be a good excuse when Jesus asks us why we turned and walked by dying men, women and children… and it turns out they were him.



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Your Name

posted February 27, 2010 at 10:47 pm


The debate was too long. We need the Health Care Plan and we needed 8 years ago. Other presidents knew this and both parties have known this . It won’t be perfect since everyone else has sidestepped having a Health Care Reform and policies put in place. The American People can not wait the time is now. I sincerely pray the plan passes as quickly as possible even though like anything else there will be glitches but nothing is simple nor easy. Ignoring the needs and the issue was easy or at least it was before President Obama was elected.



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Susan Jones

posted February 28, 2010 at 9:47 am


Socialized medicine is not health care reform. The Democrats pander to the lowest common demoninator in society for votes. No one in America is denied health care regardless of all the ridiculous story the congresswoman told at the Summit about knowing someone that wore her dead sister’s dentures. Pleeeeeze! They truly stretch credibility when telling such silliness. Dems don’t want tort reform due to their lawyer friends big contributions. Republicans believe in small government intrustion and personal ownership. This discussion is a power grab to move forward Barry’s socialistic agenda for America. Ronald Reagan said it, the goverment taking over health care is socialistic. That is why the Dems don’t want to discuss taking small steps to make it better. They want to control it which equates to controlling us.



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Wilson

posted February 28, 2010 at 2:46 pm


“Republicans believe in small government intrustion and personal ownership.”
Just tiny little government intrusions like the Patriot Act, and Paulson’s $700 Billion dollar bail-out of Goldman Sachs (We need the cash by Monday or the world financial structure is TOAST).
Vast personal ownership, on the order of 95% of the world’s wealth being personally owned by 5% of it’s population seems to be what they believe in, and it does not endear them to me!



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Your Name

posted February 28, 2010 at 3:21 pm


Dear HG,
Well that would be because you do not embrace biblical beliefs or Republicans, so that would be against your views. However you look at it HG, people are given the option of choosing to believe or stand for a cause, if they choose. So, if I want to believe in scripture and am against abortion that would be my choice. Biblical scripture to you is laughable by your last blogs, and you do not see a higher power as your source. So, we are different. The only thing that I see that we have in common is that you write on this sight as well as my dad died recently. So, I understand the loss of a parent. Best of luck with your views and beliefs in whatever you see fit…. C



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HG

posted February 28, 2010 at 4:44 pm


“Well that would be because you do not embrace biblical beliefs or Republicans,…”
I voted Republican in every Presidential Race since Gerald Ford ran up until the last two elections. GW Bush deciding to throw out the separation of religion from government, and manipulating us into a wholly unnecessary war (among other things) cured me of that. I stopped embracing Biblical beliefs considerably earlier.
We probably have more in common than either of us would care to see, American’s that both we are. More than losing a loved one anyway. Becoming an orphan is no fun even at my age, but it gives me a perspective I don’t think I’ve ever really had (Longfellow’s poetry wasn’t enough by itself).
“Lives of great men all remind us
We can make our lives sublime,
And, departing, leave behind us
Footprints on the sands of time.”
Excepting your desire to discard the Constitution, I wish you all the happiness and success that may be found in life. (But that doesn’t mean I won’t get feisty with you!)



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Mary

posted February 28, 2010 at 5:29 pm


Abortion is murder and should be illegal.
Regarding health care reform, health care is big business in this country, and it is all about profit. Drug companies, insurance companies, and even doctors and researchers who benefit from people being sick and sick and sick perpetuate the toxic system. Unfortunately, the short-term medical solutions that may stop a
symptom are often the toxic hooks that insure even more illness and future profits. Drugs are made in such a way as to isolate a certain constituent to treat a specific symptom, regardless of the damage done to other organs in the body, and when enough people die from the side effects, the drug is given a disclaimer and eventually recalled, with drug companies doling out the money set aside for the inevitable victims. After all, we all have tendencies/weaknesses/dispositions towards certain illnesses/injuries, but we all have the same structures (e.g. one’s liver my be stronger in the beginning, but will eventually succumb to a toxin that will destroy liver tissue). The health care reform that we need is to allow for more holistic, natural, and incidentally cheaper health care, unless of course big business principals are allowed to corrupt – patent, monopolize, restrict, etc. – sale and use of more natural/balanced health care. We need to allow for naturopathic doctors, herbalists, acupuncturists, and herbal remedies to be accredited and covered by health insurance and to allow research of whole herb remedies (not isolated compound and defamatory/bogus/biased or “FDA has not tested” “research”), which considers thousands of years of empirical evidence. Take these steps, and you will be more credible in your health care “reform.” (How many herbal cures for cancer are you even aware of?)



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Your Name

posted February 28, 2010 at 5:50 pm


“Abortion is murder and should be illegal.”
Murder IS illegal, abortion is not. Ipso facto, abortion is not murder. Cara and Boris can tell you how this argument proceeds, they’ve been through it, and it doesn’t go well for your point of view Mary. See: U.S Constitution, U.S. Supreme Court, Personal Liberty.



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Ryan

posted February 28, 2010 at 7:30 pm


I think people need to realize the term “socialized medicine” is not only a disingenuous representation of both the house and senate bills currently on the table, but the only reason it is used so often by a number of politicians is because the polls told them it scares people.
I, personally, am in favor of tort reform – the current system is abused way too much and it costs the country a lot of money. But I also realize that even if we did what the Republican plan (Boehner’s plan) does regarding tort reform, the savings (according to the Congressional Budget Office) would be less than one-fifth of one percent of what we currently spend on healthcare in this country. Yes, it is a problem, but using it to base an entire healthcare plan around is just silly.



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posted March 1, 2010 at 1:14 am


Susan Jones,
You have been brainwashed by Fox News.
Socialized medicine is not health care reform.
Boris says: The health care bill is NOT socialized medicine. Calling it that is nothing but typical fear-mongering from the religious right – who is ALWAYS wrong.
The Democrats pander to the lowest common demoninator in society for votes.
Boris says: The Christian fascist Republicans appeal to the most base of human emotions: fear. The Democrats appeal to intellectuals and every Republican liar knows this. This is why they complain that the intellectual elite is always very liberal.
No one in America is denied health care regardless of all the ridiculous story the congresswoman told at the Summit about knowing someone that wore her dead sister’s dentures.
Boris says: That’s just another right wing lie. Blue Cross/Blue Shield admitted they saved 300 million dollars last year by canceling the policies of cancer patients. If you get a catastrophic disease the chances are better than 50/50 that your insurance company will cancel your policy.
Pleeeeeze! They truly stretch credibility when telling such silliness. Dems don’t want tort reform due to their lawyer friends big contributions.
Boris says: Nonsense. EVERY Republican congressman and senator is a wholly owned subsidiary of the insurance industry.
Republicans believe in small government intrustion and personal ownership.
Boris says: ROFL! Republicans want to intrude in our bedrooms and the wombs of every woman in America. Conservatism is just another word for fascism.
This discussion is a power grab to move forward Barry’s socialistic agenda for America.
Boris says: Capitalism produces rich bankers but socialism produces happier people. The socialist Scandinavian countries have free health care and education. They have some of the highest standards of living and quality of life indexes in the world. They have some of the longest life expectancies.
Ronald Reagan said it, the goverment taking over health care is socialistic.
Boris says: Ronald Reagan let an astrologer run the country for eight years while he watched cowboy movies and slept.
That is why the Dems don’t want to discuss taking small steps to make it better.
Boris says: When you read the word Dems or Democrat Party you just might be reading the words of a redneck.
They want to control it which equates to controlling us.
Boris says: No one wants to give the government that kind of power of people because it would also have the same power over them. You forget the government is made up of people.



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posted March 1, 2010 at 2:40 pm


HG,
I’m the one who keeps bringing up the Constitution in regards to our Posterity. Now, I have read all the earlier blogs of how developing children in the womb or outside of the womb are indeed not our Posterity because they have not descended. That it because they are being destroyed before they have the natural journey of life.
As for President Bush and the war our country participated in and are in right now- We were not entitled to all classified information during the entering of the war, so I will not make any determination on what that evidence of having weapons of mass destruction is or was. The rumor at the time that I heard was that they were moving their weapons around and out of the country. So, like I wrote in one of my last blogs, I do not agree with being sitting ducks for murderers. Nor, do I feel that giving them a piece of gum will suffice.
C



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posted March 1, 2010 at 2:44 pm


That is because they are being destroyed with other people having a right under present law to murder them during a procedure.
The argument is true to the fact that these are people developing and should be protected from murder so they can descend during the natural birth or process.
That would be personal liberty of our Posterity!
C



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posted March 1, 2010 at 2:50 pm


For the argument of our Posterity not having rights in our Constitution, well they are there and I am defending them……
As for our Posterity not being Posterity until they come out of the birth canal and breathing. Well does that mean that individuals by their right have the ability to snuff out their life because they don’t want them to enter into their life ? Does that somehow mean that they are not people because they choose to end their life during development? The answer is NO!
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HG

posted March 1, 2010 at 4:15 pm


“The answer is NO!”
Actually, the answer is YES. An egg has no rights; they are not considered citizens or residents, and were not so considered at the time of the establishment of our Consitution. They recorded “Birthdays” then as we do now, not “Conceptiondays”. It is impossible to “secure Liberty” for an egg since it is within the mother’s body and biologically reliant upon it. Any rights an egg has are conferred upon it by the mother, not the law. If the mother says “Sorry egg, I don’t want to do this right now.”, then it’s tough titty for the egg.
This is a right conferred upon pregnant women by our Constitution. It is one of the Blessings of Liberty secured within it.
I know you don’t like the Supreme Court ruling. I don’t like the ruling they made recently which says, in effect, “Corporations are People” with the same Freedom of Speech. I think they did a bad job for the American people, but it is the law as they found it. I will work to restrain the ruling of The Court through legal measures much as anti-abortionists have done. (Anti-abortionists have successfully legislated an end to certain late term procedures.) I will not, however, work to throw away the Blessings of Liberty secured for me by the Constitution. I want more liberty, not less.



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posted March 1, 2010 at 5:11 pm


HG,
I am talking about a developing human in the stage of an Embryo.
So if you are trying to convince the rest of the public for not honoring them with even the idetity of a developing human being in the womb, then we know in fact who a liar is. I am for honoring The Constitutional rights for our Posterity. Like I wrote before, just because some or a great many believe in ending their life prematurely(developing humans), does not however take from them the identity of them as being a developing person.
Boris,
As for the for the Democrats being intellectual and the Republicans being liars, exactly what issue are you referring to?
There are intellectuals on both sides. I am done with both sides bashing eachother for political gain. Of course when your being attacked from one side your going to get angry. As for Republicans being liars, Boris? an individual can lie, Republican or Democrat.
So let us come to the conclusion not to slander one side or the other. Discuss the matter at hand, pros and cons and then both sides can agree to whatever they wish to agree on.
The issue that I am conscerned with, that you seem to be against in your previous blogs is this, that you as a Democrat write that those are not developing people or our Posterity which you seem to think do not count in this nation because you feel that they have the right to be denied a life because they are being developed in another persons body.
So if that argument was the resting point for your case, so does every Posterity individual in our Constitution need a body to develop them into living and breathing people on their own. So there you have it, our Posterity need bodies to develop into living and breathing people which can fend for themselves.
For Posterity is are future generations of poeple, not people in our generation. POSTERITY RIGHTS
C



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posted March 1, 2010 at 5:21 pm


The Democrats
liberal-not limited to or by traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes or dogmas; free from bigotry.
orthodox- adhering to the accepted or traditional and established faith,esp. in religion. Adhering to the Christian faith as expressed in the early Christian ecumenical creeds.
So by the word liberal from these definitions would indicate that Democrats are not limited to Christian views. Meaning they embrase other philophies and views…



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posted March 1, 2010 at 5:22 pm


philosophies



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Your Name

posted March 1, 2010 at 5:24 pm


tired of Democratic bullies hitting Republicans back and forth like a tennis ball, or so they want to… hence the headaches!



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posted March 1, 2010 at 5:44 pm


I really didn’t want to identify myself with eather party, for I saw people swaying on the side of the republican ticket in regards to Embryonic Stem-Cell. Which would so indicate that they view these developing people as less then them, so they could be considered as a science project.
So I didn’t want to line myself up with them as well. So I looked to the left (Democratic party) and noticed that they voted as a whole for the denial of developing children getting to live because they saw that a woman has the choice to murder their own child for it is in the mothers own body. This greatly disturbed me. For I remember all the Martin Luther King Jr. speaches and all the people whoever quoted the Constitution as stating “We the people in order to form a more perfect union”…..
So who did they consider a WE in the WE the People….
I looked further and noticed Posterity rights and then I realized this would include our developing children in the womb for they are our future generations of people.
So which side do you vote for….
I looked to the individual how they vote and what they choose to enforce…. So when people are to protect people developing in the womb or outside of the womb, those would be the people I would so endorse..
C



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HG

posted March 1, 2010 at 6:52 pm


“So if you are trying to convince the rest of the public for not honoring them with even the idetity of a developing human being in the womb, then we know in fact who a liar is.”
This sentence is unintelligible. I’m not trying to convince anybody of anything except what the law is. The identity of a developing human being is what it is under the law, and it does not equate to a citizen or resident without the mother’s desire, diligence, …and a degree of good fortune. If, between us, there is a liar, it is you.
“POSTERITY RIGHTS”
WE ARE their Posterity, don’t you understand that yet? We have our rights because they were secured for us within the U.S. Constitution. They apply to us only because they were secured by the text of the same document wherein the Judiciary was established. The very same Judiciary which, Constitutionally, has ruled that fertilized eggs are not protected and that pregnant women have a Constitutional protection of freedom to abort. You want to throw out the Constitution, take away people’s protection, but you won’t admit that –because then people would be able to see you for the controlling, manipulative, theocrat you are.



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Boris

posted March 1, 2010 at 9:39 pm


Cara,
Name three conservative Christian intellectuals. This is going to be fun.



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HG

posted March 1, 2010 at 10:19 pm


Boris: “Name three conservative Christian intellectuals.”
This is what is commonly referred to as a “bull-s*** question”, but I’ll be seeking amusement in the proceedings if she manages to come up with an anwer.



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Robert

posted March 2, 2010 at 12:31 pm


This health care bill along with the rest of Obama’s agenda is just the beginning of something more sinister called the (NEW WORLD ORDER, it is a redistribution of wealth from the people to the Govt. then to the ONE WORLD Govt/monetary SYSTEM that is quickly coming to reality.



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posted March 2, 2010 at 1:45 pm


HG, your wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The point I was trying to make in that last sentence is that the Democrats as a whole are endorcing the idea of the human Embryo as not being a human in development, which would be a lie. For if they did honor the human in development as a person they would be admitting to the fact it is murder that they are endorcing and therefore honoring with their vote. If they believe that they are endorcing murdering children by law, then they are in fact admitting to themselves and the rest of the world that they think they are superior to others. The Republican party as a whole see this as murder.
What the Democratic party wants the rest of us to get on is the ungodly, unspiritual, and unethical titanic bandwagon of the fact that it is ok to murder developing children privately with tax dollars, heath care initiatives and votes!!!!!!!
For when you start downgrading the human being into something you can destroy for your benefit of whatever, than your doing our country and the world no favor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So, Mr. HG, take these blogs with a grain of salt and let it go into your brain and manifest into something worthwhile. For the idea of destroying human beings by law and not in the form of a defence for this country is completely cruel, insensitive, and arrogant.
So the laughter behind the party of we can do whatever we want with humans is not funny anymore.
Cara Lea Floyd



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Your Name

posted March 2, 2010 at 1:49 pm


Boris,
Name three Democrats, this is going to fun?



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posted March 2, 2010 at 1:53 pm


sees



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Your Name

posted March 2, 2010 at 1:57 pm


Either way this country is in a downward spiral until they admit to fact that they are endorcing the murder of innocent lives by way of law and turn their decisions around.
And you wonder why the Republicans are so upset about it?
C



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HG

posted March 2, 2010 at 3:24 pm


Cara: “So, Mr. HG, take these blogs with a grain of salt and let it go into your brain and manifest into something worthwhile.”
A grain of salt in my brain would make more sense than all of your rantings. I understand that you are against legal abortion, but citing the Constitution isn’t going to further your cause one iota.
Robert: “This health care bill along with the rest of Obama’s agenda is just the beginning of something more sinister called the (NEW WORLD ORDER…”
If you think this is the beginning of the NWO, you’ve missed a lot of news from the past hundred years! Have a peek at the story behind Jekyll Island and the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. You’ll be much closer to the beginning of the “NWO” starting there than with any Health Insurance legislation of 2010!



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HG

posted March 2, 2010 at 3:57 pm


A 2010 action which is much more likely than Healthcare legislation to fall into the category of forwarding the agenda of the “NWO” is the ruling by the Republican appointed majority of the Supreme Court (overturning decades of jurisprudence) which turns the election process of our democracy into (even more of) a farce.



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posted March 2, 2010 at 6:11 pm


HG,
—– Regardless of the agenda of you and your party, bringing up the Constitution is at the very least making you and others aware of the fact that our country is in fact by legislation in violation of it. Now, if you are for making up your own rules as you go system, the whatever system in place by whatever random thoughts, then you would in fact be in line with your blogs…
—– That is why I find this administration and like minded individuals who support legislation and government funding of murdering developing people, insane in the fact that they want us to think somehow because it is private it is somehow better.
—–That is how Hitler ruled and that is why I think when I see like minded individuals ruling they should be thrown out of office and the current Supreme Court, at least those ruling in favor of declining the ethical and moral value system in place with the basic standards of the Constitution should be repremended or some sort of action in place to uphold The Constitution in their laws.
—–For when the President took office, he took an oath to uphold the Constitution, which at this time he is in violation of.
Since we know as individuals of this nation, and around the globe that developing people in the womb and outside of the womb are in fact our descendants which are indeed our Posterity. Now I have heard and read the arguement that because they are taken from the womb, and not being allowed to deliver that they are in fact not our future generations. This is of course an insane argument, in the fact that they are the people, by law which are preventing them from being delivered or put into a mothers’ womb to carry. So that would be because they are in fact murdering them before they have the chance. So the very fact that they are murmuring confusion of the developing people, as not being devoping people, because they in fact murder them(end their life) before they are born is a lie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So all for one and one for all- I support reversing Roe v. Wade, and all Embryonic Stem-Cell research which prevents them from living, and murder pills( morning after pills), and developing people which are not placed in an environment to survive.That these are our future generations of people, Posterity, which in fact need to be defended and given rights to let our Posterity live.
Cara Lea Floyd



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Your Name

posted March 2, 2010 at 6:26 pm


HG, As far as the health care reform, well when government takes power away from the people and makes it government control, that would be in line with The New World Order. When poeple are not given individual freedom of living their life that would be in-line with The New World Order. I am certainly not writing about abortion freedom(murder freedom)as being an everyday choice one makes,like where they go, what they do,and what they eat. As far as health care is conscerned, I think that putting abortion on the health care reform ticket would in fact be criminal and should be completely rejected in the fact that we know that this is murdering people and should not be funded with any tax dollars. (Completely unconstitutional) POSTERITY FREEDOM __________________ C



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posted March 2, 2010 at 6:45 pm


Of course Mr. President,
If you want to honor people as people and give them a life like you and I , then you would be in fact reversing Roe v. Wade, Embryonic Stem-Cell which ends life, and murder pills(morning after pills). You know that they are our Posterity( future generations of people). And if you don’t, you are lieing to the American people and yourself.
C



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HG

posted March 2, 2010 at 8:33 pm


Cara: “…I support reversing Roe v. Wade, and all Embryonic Stem-Cell research which prevents them from living, and murder pills( morning after pills), and developing people which are not placed in an environment to survive…”
If knowledge were water, your brain would seem an arid wasteland to most people. Fortunately, the Framers were comparative oceans, and our Supreme Court Justices mighty rivers, which serve to wash your arguments away. Blub blub blub.



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Boris

posted March 2, 2010 at 10:20 pm


Cara,
I’m not a Democrat. I asked YOU about Republicans. Forget it. You’re a nut anyway.



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HG

posted March 2, 2010 at 11:58 pm


Boris: “Forget it. You’re a nut anyway.”
Yes, that’s pretty much it Boris. Like you, I’m sometimes inclined to challenge the delusional; mainly for entertainment purposes in my case. One might think verbally jousting simpletons great fun until realizing that, no matter how utterly you dismantle the opponent in debate, there will be little, if any, improvement to either party.
I would be interested to know your view, Boris, on the recent Supreme Court ruling re: ‘corporate personhood’. I doubt that you support the ruling, but it’s possible. I, personally, found much merit in the dissenting opinion and would appreciate finding someone with a brain to briefly argue the majority opinion to me.



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posted March 3, 2010 at 9:42 am


Come on, Jay. You will love the Democrats when we win!



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posted March 3, 2010 at 2:02 pm


HG and Boris,
Nut, why because I protect and want people to protect people…..All men are created equal.
As for the personal attacks, well like I wrote before, that is when people do not have anything worth refuting that those are people developing. So nuts, well that would be for the people endorcing murder as a legal procedure and those which want developing people to be murdered under law without any stipulations of the fact that those are people whose rights need to be protected under constitutional law. For they are not descendants because,there are laws in place which murder them before they can be born… You get it….
The Declaration Of Independence
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The unanimous Declaration of thirteen united States of America,
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the poweres of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.-That to secure these rights, Governments are
instituted among Men, deriving their powers from the consent of the governed,-That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security………….C



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posted March 3, 2010 at 2:13 pm


endorsing- to place(one’s signature),as on a contract, to indicate approval of its contents or terms.
to give approval of or support to,esp. publicly; sanction:
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These blogs are not meant to offend, these blogs are to point out that I do not agree with using tax dollars or any government bill which has a procedure or process which terminates the life of a living being.
C



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posted March 3, 2010 at 3:14 pm


You are not blogging. You are commenting on a blog. Your comments do not offend, just showcase your ignorance and stupidity.



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posted March 3, 2010 at 4:36 pm


I am still commenting on the same subject which is the shedding of innocent blood by tax dollars and legalized abortion procedures, and other procedures which indicate a developing child is present and their very life is taken from them because of like minded individuals like yourself who slander instead of protect. These procedures are against the Posterity rights of the Constitution of the United States of America.
So miss no name, who are you to be writing such slanderous comments with no substance , just slander?? or are you a Mr.? stupid would be those who insult without subject matter or concern for the unborn, and the children who die needlessly by murder proxy. Your heart is showing and what you stand for in regards to attacking those who wish to protect developing people around the globe. God rest your soul.
C
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posted March 3, 2010 at 4:50 pm


Revelation 22: 12
” And behold, I am coming quickly, andMy reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work.
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” I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”
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Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
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But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and pratices a lie.
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” I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star.”
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And the Spirit and bride say,”Come!” And let him who hears say,”Come!
” And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.



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posted March 4, 2010 at 2:54 am


HG,
You’re not going to change the mind of a Bible believer in a debate because they don’t pay any attention to what you say. For a Bible believer a debate is just a chance for them to preach their religious beliefs. The debate is still important though, because observers of the debate, impartial or not, can judge the strength and weakness of the arguments made by both sides. Anyone on the fence isn’t going to jump over to the side of the Bible believer. Instead, when moderate Christians read the words of people like Cara Floyd or even Jay Sekulow it causes them to reject their faith because they don’t want to be associated with dishonest pinheads like them. Bible believers themselves do more damage to the Christian faith than any atheists ever do. 5000 Americans reject their Christian faith every day and they do it because of the things Bible believers say and do.
Corporations should not get all the protections they get that partnerships and proprietorships don’t get and then still have personhood. I don’t think corporations should be allowed to contribute to any political campaigns either. Also every conversation a lobbyist has with an elected public official should be a matter of public record.
Note to Cara: Bible verses don’t prove the Bible is true. The Bible says that demons cause diseases and Jesus and other people cast out demons and this cured diseases. We now know that diseases have naturalistic causes and cures, and that demons don’t exist. So the Bible is fiction. Grow up. Jesus Christ never existed.



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posted March 4, 2010 at 10:20 am


Blithering, blathering, blubbering Boris says:
The Bible says that demons cause diseases…
Mr. Incedible: He does not.
Blithering, blathering, blubbering Boris says:
…and Jesus and other people cast out demons and this cured diseases.
Mr. Incredible:
Not true. It must be received before the cure can be effective. He did not/could not heal those who did not receive Him.
Blithering, blathering, blubbering Boris says:
We now know that diseases have naturalistic causes and cures…
Mr. Incredible:
Thanks to God, not to men.
Blithering, blathering, blubbering Boris says:
…and that demons don’t exist.
Mr. Incredible:
The Devil likes that you think he doesn’t exist; makes his work that much easier.
Blithering, blathering, blubbering Boris says:
So the Bible is fiction.
Mr. Incredible:
Atheists have to persuade themselves to believe that so they can feel justified.
Blithering, blathering, blubbering Boris says:
Grow up.
Mr. Incredible:
Already grown up in Christ!
Blithering, blathering, blubbering Boris says:
Jesus Christ never existed.
Mr. Incredible:
The great, great, great multitudes who saw and heard Him say otherwise. Produce just ONE who was there and says that all them were just seeing things and making it up.



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posted March 4, 2010 at 10:49 am


==5000 Americans reject their Christian faith every day and they do it because of the things Bible believers say and do.==
Just like the marine layer on the West Coast, this cloud above has crept in to drop the intellectual visibility to zero.
If people reject Christ, they can blame nobody but themselves. They won’t be able to point to anybody else on Judgment Day.



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Ryan

posted March 4, 2010 at 11:27 am


Wow, I just tried to post my opinion of this article and my comment got sequestered by the owner. So I’ll try to do so without including the key words/phrases it must be looking for (apologies for the random numbers).
Go to C-SPAN and watch the summit for yourselves. This interpretati0n is completely spin(4)-doctored(9) and the auth0r should be ashamed. To see the full summit, go to cspan (.org) and search for healthcare summit. It will take you to the video archives, it’s titled White House Health Care Summit with Congressional Leaders. I would suggest skipping the first hour of introductions because most of it is the same politics you see all the time, that actual conversation starts after.
People that spread misinformation and call it news should be ashame2d.



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posted March 4, 2010 at 2:37 pm


Re: Boris
The point is this, that you spin the bible into theoretical phrases which don’t exist. Making your argument a bunch of lies. So if you are writing about the bible, state the verse. I care to read a bunch of gibberish without any substance. Like I wrote before the “pinhed”
comment is once again targeted because you can not refute the argument of the fact that there are developing people in the womb. That is my point, Mr. Boris. Your random slanderous attacks are meant to do what?
Like I wrote before you don’t have to believe the bible. In my past blogs I have wrote parts of the Constitution, Bible versis, Part of The Declaration Of Independance. I support the abolishment of laws in place which honor abortion, Embryonic Stem-Cell which end the life, murder pills(morning after pills). The laws in place which exist to support the shedding of innocent blood need to be changed. The insane view of any administration attaching these laws to a health care bill with tax dollar benefits, in my opinion is extremely wrong. Since when does a country endorse murder with tax money? You should be ashamed of yourself for putting that on the American dollar. You think people want to go to work to have a portion of their money taken out of their check for murdering developing children, via inside or outside of the womb? Insane. And you propose this as a legal choice through independent civil rights? Forgetting and not honoring our Posterity rights in our Constitution, that they are entitled to the same benefits as you or I? And the only argument I read to that was, that they do not descend because they are murdered beforehand. And you exspect Americans to pay for it???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Then you say they should have the private choice with their doctor to do so????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Murders are usually private!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There should be the complete opposite laws in place in regards to developing people in the womb.
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posted March 4, 2010 at 2:41 pm


pinhead?
I don’t care to read a bunch of gibberish about the Bible, without stating the verse they are refuting when attacking the Bible. That was my point….
C



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ds0490

posted March 4, 2010 at 3:45 pm


“You’re not going to change the mind of a Bible believer in a debate because they don’t pay any attention to what you say.”
Q: What is the difference between a frontal lobotomy and a religious conversion?
A: The frontal lobotomy is more easily reversed.



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ds0490

posted March 4, 2010 at 3:49 pm


“If people reject Christ, they can blame nobody but themselves. They won’t be able to point to anybody else on Judgment Day.”
Thank you, Mr. Incredible, for providing a perfect illustration of my earlier point.



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ds0490

posted March 4, 2010 at 4:05 pm


“People that spread misinformation and call it news should be ashame2d.”
We have a number of names for such people:
Conservatives
Republicans
Christians
More often than not any combination of two of the above will cover most purveyors of misinformation on this issue.
Isn’t it strange how those who claim to have the “ultimate truth” can’t seem to advance it without telling lies?



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DSJulian

posted March 4, 2010 at 4:26 pm


Mr. Incredible: “The great, great, great multitudes who saw and heard Him say otherwise. Produce just ONE who was there and says that all them were just seeing things and making it up.”
2 Peter 1:16-18 We did not follow cleverly invented stories when we told you about the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. For he received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.” We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we were with him on the sacred mountain.
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Mr. Incredible

posted March 4, 2010 at 5:31 pm


Your Name
March 4, 2010 2:41 PM
I don’t care to read a bunch of gibberish about the Bible, without stating the verse they are refuting when attacking the Bible.
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I would add to that by saying that they need more than one verse. After all, one verse does not doctrine make.
They need several verses. That’s what Scripture upon Scripture is all about. The Devil cannot do the Scripture upon Scripture bit cuz he knows where that leads. It’s why you got the ungodly quoting only one verse.



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posted March 4, 2010 at 5:37 pm


Re:ds0490
So your slanderous comments are once again pointing out that you have no creditable topic by directing them at a group of people without content or topic. Like I wrote before, if you are going to say that others, Republicans, Christians, Conservative and the like bring you misinformation, do us all a favor, stick to the topic to which you find yourself being mislead. By slandering a bunch of people in a group, it’s really just a bunch of gibberish.
Bring the verse you have in mind into question(Bible)
Bring the topic to which the conservative you fealt mislead you?
Bring the Republican’s name to which you fealt you were mislead?
I don’t want to read basically a bunch of misguided slanderous comments about any given people. If it is the truth you can bring exactly the topic into play, instead of a bunch of writings which indicate that you are against a large majority of people without reference.
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posted March 4, 2010 at 5:42 pm


DS0490
Try not to slander. Bring topic and verse to the table in question. Instead of a bunch of lieing comments which indicate there is no reputable facts.



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Mr. Incredible

posted March 4, 2010 at 5:55 pm


ds0490
March 4, 2010 4:05 PM
“People that spread misinformation and call it news should be ashame2d.”
We have a number of names for such people:
Conservatives
Republicans
Christians
More often than not any combination of two of the above will cover most purveyors of misinformation on this issue.
Isn’t it strange how those who claim to have the “ultimate truth” can’t seem to advance it without telling lies?
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Then, why are you leaving out atheists, secularists, humanists, Liberals and others who are ungodly?



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posted March 4, 2010 at 6:14 pm


“Then, why are you leaving out atheists, secularists, humanists, Liberals and others who are ungodly?”
Aren’t Christians supposed to be better than these “ungodly” ones, Mr. Incredible? Are you conceding that belief in Jesus does not necessarily inspire moral behavior? If so then I heartily agree.



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Mr. Incredible

posted March 4, 2010 at 8:48 pm


ds0490
March 4, 2010 6:14 PM
“Then, why are you leaving out atheists, secularists, humanists, Liberals and others who are ungodly?”
Aren’t Christians supposed to be better than these “ungodly” ones, Mr. Incredible?
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“Better”?? No. Just better off.
ds0490
March 4, 2010 6:14 PM
Are you conceding that belief in Jesus does not necessarily inspire moral behavior?
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Scoffers tried to turn everything we say into something we don’t say.
Christ cannot inspire Moral behavior in those who don’t receive Him. He won’t force Morality on you. However, if you refuse God’s offer of Reconciliation through Christ, if you turn your back on God, He can’t do anything about the things that come against you. It YOUR choice. He’s offered everything He can.



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posted March 4, 2010 at 10:07 pm


Mr. Incredible:
The great, great, great multitudes who saw and heard Him say otherwise. Produce just ONE who was there and says that all them were just seeing things and making it up.
Boris says: Your arguments are the easiest arguments to refute that I’ve ever seen. Really, they are. No one knows who wrote any of the books of the Bible. So I’d like you to produce just ONE who was there and says that they actually saw Jesus Christ. Think about this for a minute. The whole purpose of the brief 2nd book of John is to admonish followers not to listen to the many people who were telling them the truth; that Jesus never really existed. Thus, soon after Jesus allegedly existed many people were clearly claiming that he didn’t exist. And rather than write to these unbelievers in a rational manner and present them with overwhelming evidence that Jesus really had existed just a short time ago, and all the miraculous things said to have happened really did happen, the writer instead admonishes his readers to stay away from these people. “Do not take him into your house or welcome him.” The writer stigmatizes these people as “the deceiver” and “the antichrist” who do “wicked work,” and further stigmatizes anyone who should listen to them. Robert Taylor stated the facts of the situation very eloquently:
“We might, say they, as well affect to deny the existence of such an individual as Alexander the Great, or of Napoleon Bonaparte, and so set at defiance the evidence of all facts but such as our senses have attested. It being quite forgotten that the existence of Alexander and Napoleon was not miraculous, and that there never was on earth one other real personage whose existence as a real personage was denied and disclaimed even as soon as ever it was asserted, as was the case with respect to the assumed personality of Christ.”
Thomas Paine, who you insist was a Christian wrote: The Christian religion is a parody on the worship of the sun in which they put a man whom they call Christ, in the place of the and pay him the same adoration which was originally paid to the Sun.



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posted March 4, 2010 at 10:43 pm


Cara,
The point is this, that you spin the bible into theoretical phrases which don’t exist. Making your argument a bunch of lies. So if you are writing about the bible, state the verse.
Boris says: Okay right from start the Bible is inaccurate. The Genesis creation account conflicts with the order of events that are known to science. In Genesis 1:1 the earth is created before light and stars, birds and whales before reptiles and insects, and flowering plants before any animals. From science, we know that the true order of events was just the opposite. The Bible clearly implies that the earth and the heavens are a separate creation but it only appears that way from earth. From Mars or any other point in the universe we can see the earth is simply part of the heavens or space. The Bible says in Genesis 1:11 that vegetation was on the earth BEFORE the sun and moon even exited. You have every right to believe that but that won’t make it true.
That is my point, Mr. Boris. Your random slanderous attacks are meant to do what?
Boris says: Prove my statement that you’re a pinhead.
In my past blogs I have wrote parts of the Constitution, Bible versis, Part of The Declaration Of Independance. I support the abolishment of laws in place which honor abortion, Embryonic Stem-Cell which end the life, murder pills(morning after pills).
Boris says: In your past blogs you have wrote? In your past you never bothered to learn the language of the country you were born in. Your horrible grammar reflects your lack of intelligence and education. How come Fundamentalist Christians are so illiterate? That’s a rhetorical question. That means you don’t have to answer it. Go ahead; ask me why I asked the question now. Ding dong ding dong ding dong ding….
The laws in place which exist to support the shedding of innocent blood need to be changed.
Boris says: Your whole religion is based on the shedding of innocent blood for YOUR sake.
The insane view of any administration attaching these laws to a health care bill with tax dollar benefits, in my opinion is extremely wrong. Since when does a country endorse murder with tax money?
Boris says: Since they invaded Korea, Viet Nam, Kuwait, Iraq and Afghanistan. You have no problem with our military killing innocent people who have not done anything to us. Why is that?
You should be ashamed of yourself for putting that on the American dollar.
Boris says: And conservative religious nuts should never have put the word “God” on our money.
You think people want to go to work to have a portion of their money taken out of their check for murdering developing children, via inside or outside of the womb? Insane.
Boris says: Tough, because you ARE already paying for abortions and have been for some time. The government gives millions of dollars to Planned Parenthood.
And you propose this as a legal choice through independent civil rights? Forgetting and not honoring our Posterity rights in our Constitution, that they are entitled to the same benefits as you or I? And the only argument I read to that was, that they do not descend because they are murdered beforehand. And you exspect Americans to pay for it???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Boris says: I’m so sick of you sexually frustrated Christians trying to force your puritanical views about sex on the rest of us. Having sex is NOT a contract to have children. People like you who believe in forced parenthood are sick in the head.
There should be the complete opposite laws in place in regards to developing people in the womb.
Boris says: There are. You just don’t like them. Tough. Move.



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Mr. Incredible

posted March 4, 2010 at 10:53 pm


Boris
March 4, 2010 10:07 PM
Your arguments are the easiest arguments to refute that I’ve ever seen.
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And, yet, you have not done so.
What you do is give an answer. You don’t answer. Quite a difference.
Boris
March 4, 2010 10:07 PM
No one knows who wrote any of the books of the Bible.
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People DO know.
Boris
March 4, 2010 10:07 PM
So I’d like you to produce just ONE who was there and says that they actually saw Jesus Christ.
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John. Peter. That’s two.
Boris
March 4, 2010 10:07 PM
Think about this for a minute.
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Don’t have to. Doesn’t take a minute to know what I already know.
Boris
March 4, 2010 10:07 PM
The whole purpose of the brief 2nd book of John is to admonish followers not to listen to the many people who were telling them the truth;…
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Whose “truth”?
Boris
March 4, 2010 10:07 PM
… that Jesus never really existed.
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And, yet, there are many, many, many, many, Many, many, many, many, many, many great, great, great, great, great, great, great multitudes who told those who actually penned the Word of God that they witnessed Him. You can find no one who was there who will say that those people didn’t know what they were talking about.
Boris
March 4, 2010 10:07 PM
Thus, soon after Jesus allegedly existed many people were clearly claiming that he didn’t exist.
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Soooooo? Just cuz they, themselves, didn’t see Him doesn’t mean that He wasn’t there. Those who DID see and hear Him testify otherwise.
Boris
March 4, 2010 10:07 PM
And rather than write to these unbelievers in a rational manner and present them with overwhelming evidence that Jesus really had existed just a short time ago, and all the miraculous things said to have happened really did happen, the writer instead admonishes his readers to stay away from these people.
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Cuz they were weak in faith and, so, rather than contaminate themselves with unbelief, it was easier and, for the time being, more profitable for them to stay away.
Boris
March 4, 2010 10:07 PM
Thomas Paine, who you insist was a Christian…
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Where?



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posted March 4, 2010 at 11:18 pm


Boris
March 4, 2010 10:43 PM
… the Bible is inaccurate.
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No, the Word of God isn’t.
Boris
March 4, 2010 10:43 PM
The Genesis creation account conflicts with the order of events that are known to science.
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Science can’t know what happened back then cuz Science wasn’t there. All scientists can do is speculate, as YOU have done.
Boris
March 4, 2010 10:43 PM
In Genesis 1:1 the earth is created before light and stars…
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It is not.
Boris
March 4, 2010 10:43 PM
… birds and whales before reptiles and insects…
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Irrelevant.
Boris
March 4, 2010 10:43 PM
… and flowering plants before any animals.
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Irrelevant.
Boris
March 4, 2010 10:43 PM
From science, we know that the true order of events was just the opposite.
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All speculation.
Boris
March 4, 2010 10:43 PM
The Bible clearly implies…
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No, you infer.
Boris
March 4, 2010 10:43 PM
… that the earth and the heavens are a separate creation but it only appears that way from earth.
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It is God’s point of view.
Boris
March 4, 2010 10:43 PM
From Mars or any other point in the universe we can see the earth is simply part of the heavens or space.
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Worldly reasoning.
Boris
March 4, 2010 10:43 PM
The Bible says in Genesis 1:11 that vegetation was on the earth BEFORE the sun and moon even exited.
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However, the day already existed.
Boris
March 4, 2010 10:43 PM
You have every right to believe that but that won’t make it true.
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THAT it is said doesn’t make anything true, but we don’t claim that we are making anything true by saying it. We say what is true already.
Boris
March 4, 2010 10:43 PM
Your whole religion…
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We don’t have “religion.” We have Relationship with God through Christ.
Boris
March 4, 2010 10:43 PM
… is based on the shedding of innocent blood for YOUR sake.
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Jesus took our sins upon Himself so that we be saved. Christianity is the only relationship where this is the case.
Boris
March 4, 2010 10:43 PM
You have no problem with our military killing innocent people who have not done anything to us. Why is that?
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Ask the 19 who killed innocents on 911.
Boris
March 4, 2010 10:43 PM
And conservative religious nuts should never have put the word “God” on our money.
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Funny that you don’t try to get the teaching of Greek and Roman gods and goddesses taken out of public schools.
Boris
March 4, 2010 10:43 PM
The government gives millions of dollars to Planned Parenthood.
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That will change when Conservatives take over Congress next January.
Boris
March 4, 2010 10:43 PM
I’m so sick of you sexually frustrated Christians trying to force your puritanical views about sex on the rest of us.
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“Force”??? If we were to force, you’d be on our side. You haven’t been converted. So, what’s your beef?
Boris
March 4, 2010 10:43 PM
Having sex is NOT a contract to have children.
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The purpose is to have children. When a man has sex with a woman, they are risking pregnancy.
Boris
March 4, 2010 10:43 PM
People like you who believe in forced parenthood…
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I know of no one who wants to force anyone to be a parent, if they aren’t one already.
The law says that the unborn child, beginning at conception, as what the law calls “future interests.” This means that the unborn child is what the law calls a “jural person.” Corporations are jural persons. If we can say that corporations are persons, we can see that the unborn are persons.
“Future interests” is, essentially, the same as “posterity.”



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posted March 5, 2010 at 5:11 am


Mr. Incredulous,
And, yet, you have not done so.
Boris says: Yes I have refuted all your lies Incredible. Just saying I haven’t won’t make it so. Why don’t you pray on it stupid? Go grovel in front of your imaginary boogyman.
What you do is give an answer. You don’t answer. Quite a difference.
Boris says: What I do is destroy Christian liars like you for a hobby. But you’re already the laughingstock of this blog. The verbal smack downs you get from atheists are hilarious.
People DO know.
Boris says: Not one honest Bible scholar agrees with you. And we proved a long time ago you haven’t read the Bible and don’t know what it really says. How did the Midianites reincarnate themselves in two generations after being totally annihilated by the Israelites in Moses generation? Don’t avoid this insurmountable problem with your Word of Men. ROFL!
John. Peter. That’s two.
Boris says: How come the books these men supposedly wrote did not appear until the fourth century? Howe come no one ever heard of them before then?
Don’t have to. Doesn’t take a minute to know what I already know.
Boris says: You don’t know squat buddy and what you think you know was put in your head by OTHER PEOPLE who sacred the crap out of you.
Whose “truth”?
Boris says: THE truth.
And, yet, there are many, many, many, many, Many, many, many, many, many, many great, great, great, great, great, great, great multitudes who told those who actually penned the Word of God that they witnessed Him. You can find no one who was there who will say that those people didn’t know what they were talking about.
Boris says: All fiction writers. History writers never include word for word dialog of people speaking in complete sentences. When we read dialog we are reading fiction. There are no exceptions to this rule. So when we hold the Bible up to literary criticism it fails every test for historicity and passes all the tests for fiction with flying colors. There’s not a thing you can do about it.
Soooooo? Just cuz they, themselves, didn’t see Him doesn’t mean that He wasn’t there. Those who DID see and hear Him testify otherwise.
Boris says: They’re fiction writers. Your brainwashing won’t let you accept that. Too bad for you loser.
Cuz they were weak in faith and, so, rather than contaminate themselves with unbelief, it was easier and, for the time being, more profitable for them to stay away.
Boris says: That’s right, just don’t listen to dissenting opinions.
Where?
Boris says: On a previous thread you insisted Thomas Paine and Thomas Jefferson were Christians. But you’ve told more lies on this blog than I can count.
No, the Word of God isn’t.
Boris says: The Bible isn’t the world of God.
Science can’t know what happened back then cuz Science wasn’t there. All scientists can do is speculate, as YOU have done.
Boris says: Yes, science was there because “there” is here. Events in the past leave traces that last into the present, and we can and do look at that evidence today. If this response were a valid challenge to evolution, it would equally invalidate creationism and Christianity, since they are based on events that nobody alive today has witnessed.
In Genesis 1:1 the earth is created before light and stars…
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It is not.
Boris says: The Bible says that the earth is created before light and stars. I know this is embarrassing for you but you can’t change what the Bible says or tell us it says what it doesn’t.
Irrelevant.
Boris says: Facts that prove the Bible wrong are irrelevant to you maybe but not to people who think for themselves.
Irrelevant.
Boris says: Bible believers have become irrelevant. They have no influence on society at all anymore. There are only about 16 of them left.
All speculation.
Boris says: That’s right belittle science like Bible believers have done ever since the Bible was written by gay men wearing dresses and voted on by gay men to be the Bible.
No, you infer.
Boris says: I have a degree that allows me to infer because I infer correctly. You don’t and you can’t.
It is God’s point of view.
Boris says: Yeah in God’s point of view the earth is flat and rests on a foundation supported by pillars and is immovable. What kind of God doesn’t understand his own creation well enough to describe it better than that? Hahahahahahahahaha.
Worldly reasoning.
Boris says: “Reason should be destroyed in all Christians.” – Martin Luther. Don’t worry Marty, it has been. ROFL!
However, the day already existed.
Boris says: When there was no sun and moon how could days have existed? I mean this proves just how dumb the people who wrote the Bible really were and how incredibly stupid people are who believe them. ROFL!
THAT it is said doesn’t make anything true, but we don’t claim that we are making anything true by saying it. We say what is true already.
Boris says: You have no evidence for any of your claims. If you really had the truth you wouldn’t have to keep claiming you do because truth is self-evident. If Fox News was really fair and balanced they wouldn’t have to claim that they are every five minutes.
We don’t have “religion.” We have Relationship with God through Christ.
Boris says: Then why do you demand religious tax exemptions? Why does your “relationship” contain all the elements of a religion and none of a relationship? In a real relationship you can see the other person and share ideas. You can’t do that with your imaginary Jewish zombie.
Jesus took our sins upon Himself so that we be saved. Christianity is the only relationship where this is the case.
Boris says: Jesus Christ is merely an allegory for the sun passing through the twelve signs of the zodiac as Thomas Paine pointed out over 200 years ago. No such person as Jesus Christ ever existed. I’m a Jew and we have not a word about this person in our history. If your Jaysus had actually existed the New Testament would be in Hebrew not Koine Greek.
Ask the 19 who killed innocents on 911.
Boris says: You don’t even know why those people attacked us.
Funny that you don’t try to get the teaching of Greek and Roman gods and goddesses taken out of public schools.
Boris says: The public schools don’t teach that those gods and goddesses are real. We got all of our laws and ideas about democracy from the Greeks and the Romans. The word “democracy” never appears in the New Testament even though it is a Greek word. The Bible’s idea of government is always theocracy.
That will change when Conservatives take over Congress next January.
Boris says: The conservatives won’t be taking over anything.
“Force”??? If we were to force, you’d be on our side. You haven’t been converted. So, what’s your beef?
Boris says: You trying to turn women into breeding animals.
The purpose is to have children. When a man has sex with a woman, they are risking pregnancy.
Boris says: Maybe for you that is the purpose of sex although it’s obvious you hate women and are attracted only to men. But over 99% of the time the purpose of sex is to have pleasure, something you think is evil. You are so sick and twisted but a great source of entertainment. It’s hard to believe people as backward as you still exist.
I know of no one who wants to force anyone to be a parent, if they aren’t one already.
Boris says: You do.
The law says that the unborn child, beginning at conception, as what the law calls “future interests.” This means that the unborn child is what the law calls a “jural person.” Corporations are jural persons. If we can say that corporations are persons, we can see that the unborn are persons. “Future interests” is, essentially, the same as “posterity.”
Boris says: Wrong again. Embryos are not, have never been, and never will be persons.



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posted March 5, 2010 at 7:07 am


Hey, everybody! Bore Us is back!
What, you out on work release?
Mr. Incredible says:
And, yet, you have not done so.
Bore Us says:
Yes I have refuted all your lies Incredible.
Mr. Incredible says:
No, you haven’t. You have tried, but failed. You gave answers, but don’t answer.
Bore Us says:
Just saying I haven’t won’t make it so.
Mr. Incredible says:
It’s true that merely saying it doesn’t make it so. However, we’re not saying things to make them so, rather what we say is true cuz it is so.
Bore Us says:
Why don’t you pray on it stupid?
Mr. Incredible says:
Good news! We have composite drawings of your character witnesses.
Bore Us says:
Go grovel in front of your imaginary boogyman.
Mr. Incredible says:
We need not to grovel before Him. Through Christ, He welcomes us in love.
What you do is give an answer. You don’t answer. Quite a difference.
Bore Us says:
What I do is destroy Christian liars like you for a hobby.
Mr. Incredible says:
You haven’t done so yet.
Say, would I recognize you from your mug shots?
Bore Us says:
But you’re already the laughingstock of this blog.
Mr. Incredible says:
Soooo? Romans 8:1 [KJV]
Bore Us says:
The verbal smack downs you get from atheists are hilarious.
Mr. Incredible says:
And, yet, I’m still standing strong, thanks to the Lord.
Bore Us says:
Not one honest Bible scholar agrees with you.
Mr. Incredible says:
Translation: “The scholars who agree with me don’t agree with you.”
Bore Us says:
And we proved a long time ago you haven’t read the Bible…
Mr. Incredible says:
Of course, you approve no such thing. Everybody knows that.
Bore Us says:
…and don’t know what it really says.
Mr. Incredible says:
I have proved that I know what He says.
Bore Us says:
How did the Midianites reincarnate themselves in two generations after being totally annihilated by the Israelites in Moses generation? Don’t avoid this insurmountable problem with your Word of Men. ROFL!
Mr. Incredible says:
God is great, isn’t He!!
What is possible with God is impossible with you.
Bore Us says:
How come the books these men supposedly wrote did not appear until the fourth century?
Mr. Incredible says:
Who knows and who cares?
Bore Us says:
Howe come no one ever heard of them before then?
Mr. Incredible says:
“No one”???
Great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great multitudes heard of them before that.
Bore Us says:
You don’t know squat buddy…
Mr. Incredible says:
I’m not your buddy, and I don’t care what you think I know. The important thing is that you give me the opportunity to let those beyond you know the Truth.
Bore Us says:
…and what you think you know was put in your head by OTHER PEOPLE who sacred the crap out of you.
Mr. Incredible says:
Yes, I got my information from God, and He did not give me the spirit of fear.
Whose “truth”?
Bore Us says:
THE truth.
Mr. Incredible says:
Whose “truth”?
And, yet, there are many, many, many, many, Many, many, many, many, many, many great, great, great, great, great, great, great multitudes who told those who actually penned the Word of God that they witnessed Him. You can find no one who was there who will say that those people didn’t know what they were talking about.
Bore Us says:
All fiction writers.
Mr. Incredible says:
It’s fiction to YOU. That doesn’t make it fiction in fact.
Bore Us says:
History writers never include word for word dialog of people speaking in complete sentences.
Mr. Incredible says:
Human fiction writers. God presented His Knowledge differently. You people don’t get that. You people can’t get that.
Bore Us says:
When we read dialog we are reading fiction.
Mr. Incredible says:
That’s the way YOU think, if you wanna call it that. It’s not the way God thinks.
Bore Us says:
There are no exceptions to this rule.
Mr. Incredible says:
Translation: “God must adhere to my rules!”
Bore Us says:
So when we hold the Bible up to literary criticism it fails every test for historicity…
Mr. Incredible says:
According to YOUR standard, not His.
Bore Us says:
… and passes all the tests for fiction with flying colors.
Mr. Incredible says:
YOUR test, not His.
Bore Us says:
There’s not a thing you can do about it.
Mr. Incredible says:
The Lord is my Shepherd; He is our Champion. It doesn’t matter what YOU say.
Bore Us says:
They’re fiction writers.
Mr. Incredible says:
No, they’re not. The only fiction going on is what you write.
Bore Us says:
Your brainwashing won’t let you accept that.
Mr. Incredible says:
My heart and mind were washed by the Blood Sacrifice of Jesus.
Bore Us says:
Too bad for you…
Mr. Incredible says:
Too good for me, you mean!
Bore Us says:
…loser.
Mr. Incredible says:
I’m a winner in Christ!
Cuz they were weak in faith and, so, rather than contaminate themselves with unbelief, it was easier and, for the time being, more profitable for them to stay away.
Bore Us says:
That’s right, just don’t listen to dissenting opinions.
Mr. Incredible says:
They don’t listen to the lies of the Devil.
Where?
Bore Us says:
On a previous thread you insisted Thomas Paine and Thomas Jefferson were Christians.
Mr. Incredible says:
I never said that Thomas Paine was a Christian. I DID write that Thomas Jefferson was Christian cuz that’s what HE said he was.
Bore Us says:
But you’ve told more lies on this blog than I can count.
Mr. Incredible says:
I cannot tell a lie in Christ.
However, the big news there is that you say you think you can count!
Bore Us says:
The Bible isn’t the world of God.
Mr. Incredible says:
“Hath God said…?”
Science can’t know what happened back then cuz Science wasn’t there. All scientists can do is speculate, as YOU have done.
Bore Us says:
Yes, science was there because “there” is here.
Mr. Incredible says:
When you were young, where you on the head with a wrecking ball? Hey, wait a minute! That thing on your shoulders IS the wrecking ball!
Bore Us says:
Events in the past leave traces that last into the present, and we can and do look at that evidence today.
Mr. Incredible says:
(Rom 1:20) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Bore Us says:
In Genesis 1:1 the earth is created before light and stars…
Mr. Incredible says:
It is not.
Bore Us says:
The Bible says that the earth is created before light and stars.
Mr. Incredible says:
It does not. Anyone who reads the Word of God can see it for themselves.
Bore Us says:
I know this is embarrassing for you…
Mr. Incredible says:
I am not ashamed of the Word of God. No embarrassment here.
Bore Us says:
… but you can’t change what the Bible says…
Mr. Incredible says:
I haven’t. I have reported what’s there. Anyone can check it out for himself and see, for himself, that what you say the Word says not what the Word says.
Bore Us says:
…or tell us it says what it doesn’t.
Mr. Incredible says:
I have told you people only what is in the Word of God.
Bore Us says:
Facts that prove the Bible wrong…
Mr. Incredible says:
“Facts” that you made up.
Bore Us says:
… are irrelevant to you maybe…
Mr. Incredible says:
Yes, the “facts” that you make up are irrelevant to me.
Bore Us says:
… but not to people who think for themselves.
Mr. Incredible says:
You mean, people who go their own way. Yes, we get it.
Bore Us says:
Bible believers have become irrelevant.
Mr. Incredible says:
To YOU, but so what?
Bore Us says:
They have no influence on society at all anymore.
Mr. Incredible says:
We are having tremendous influence today.
Bore Us says:
There are only about 16 of them left.
Mr. Incredible says:
Christianity is not a club. The idea is not to enhance the the “membership.” It’s for the Salvation of individuals.
However, there are enough of us to have influence on the health care bill before Congress now and in the upcoming election, then in the 2012 election.
Bore Us says:
That’s right belittle science…
Mr. Incredible says:
True Science began in the Catholic Church a long time ago.
I don’t belittle Science; I belittle the misuse and abuse of it by people like you.
Bore Us says:
…the Bible was written by gay men wearing dresses and voted on by gay men to be the Bible.
Mr. Incredible says:
You’re so full of c r a p that, if you sneezed, all that would be left is a pile of clothes sitting on a pair shoes.
Bore Us says:
I have a degree…
Mr. Incredible says:
A degree of arrogance.
Bore Us says:
…that allows me to infer because I infer correctly.
Mr. Incredible says:
That’s what arrogance will do for you, get you drunk and make you think that everything you think is correct.
Bore Us says:
You don’t and you can’t.
Mr. Incredible says:
I don’t want your kind of arrogance.
It is God’s point of view.
Bore Us says:
Yeah in God’s point of view the earth is flat and rests on a foundation supported by pillars and is immovable.
Mr. Incredible says:
God, there, describes a scene in a way that the people of that time can understand. They wouldn’t have understood a literal explanation.
Bore Us says:
What kind of God doesn’t understand his own creation well enough to describe it better than that? Hahahahahahahahaha.
Mr. Incredible says:
The god you have created for yourself.
Bore Us says:
“Reason should be destroyed in all Christians.” – Martin Luther. Don’t worry Marty, it has been. ROFL!
Mr. Incredible says:
Don’t worry, Marty, it hasn’t been.
… the day already existed.
Bore Us says:
When there was no sun and moon how could days have existed?
Mr. Incredible says:
Cuz God says so.
Bore Us says:
I mean this proves just how dumb the people who wrote the Bible really were and how incredibly stupid people are who believe them. ROFL!
Mr. Incredible says:
Romans 8:1 [KJV]
THAT it is said doesn’t make anything true, but we don’t claim that we are making anything true by saying it. We say what is true already.
Bore Us says:
You have no evidence for any of your claims.
Mr. Incredible says:
None that you will believe, anyway.
Bore Us says:
If you really had the truth you wouldn’t have to keep claiming you do because truth is self-evident.
Mr. Incredible says:
I don’t claim that the Truth is self-evident. It takes effort to get the Truth of God. You don’t have it in you.
Bore Us says:
If Fox News was really fair and balanced they wouldn’t have to claim that they are every five minutes.
Mr. Incredible says:
They don’t have to. They just do. So what?
We don’t have “religion.” We have Relationship with God through Christ.
Bore Us says:
Then why do you demand religious tax exemptions?
Mr. Incredible says:
Now, all of a sudden, you don’t like the so-called “separation of Church and State”?
Bore Us says:
Why does your “relationship” contain all the elements of a religion and none of a relationship?
Mr. Incredible says:
Your head is screwed on backwards, and, maybe, that’s why you see things backwards.
A religion, like Islam, requires external change, not internal change. It’s performance-based.
In a relationship, the change is internal. It is not performance-based.
Bore Us says:
In a real relationship you can see the other person and share ideas.
Mr. Incredible says:
This is why you cannot have relationship with God through Christ.
Bore Us says:
You can’t do with your imaginary Jewish zombie.
Mr. Incredible says:
I don’t have an imaginary Jewish zombie.
Jesus took our sins upon Himself so that we be saved. Christianity is the only relationship where this is the case.
Bore Us says:
Jesus Christ is merely an allegory for the sun passing through the twelve signs of the zodiac as Thomas Paine pointed out over 200 years ago.
Mr. Incredible says:
See, you believe only what other people tell you.
Bore Us says:
No such person as Jesus Christ ever existed.
Mr. Incredible says:
Great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great multitudes of witnesses say otherwise.
Bore Us says:
I’m a Jew…
Mr. Incredible says:
Oh, now I understand.
Bore Us says:
…and we have not a word about this person in our history.
Mr. Incredible says:
He is there. You just refuse to see Him.
Bore Us says:
If your Jaysus…
Mr. Incredible says:
No such person.
Bore Us says:
… had actually existed the New Testament would be in Hebrew not Koine Greek.
Mr. Incredible says:
Irrelevant. Immaterial.
Ask the 19 who killed innocents on 911.
Bore Us says:
You don’t even know why those people attacked us.
Mr. Incredible says:
Translation: “Gee, maybe they had a good reason!”
Funny that you don’t try to get the teaching of Greek and Roman gods and goddesses taken out of public schools.
Bore Us says:
The public schools don’t teach that those gods and goddesses are real.
Mr. Incredible says:
Irrelevant. Their very mention violates what you say mentioning God violates. You people say that mere mention is enough.
Bore Us says:
We got all of our laws and ideas about democracy from the Greeks and the Romans.
Mr. Incredible says:
And, yet, you people have to do it by mentioning gods and goddesses in violation of the very “principles” YOU people say mentioning God violates.
Bore Us says:
The word “democracy” never appears in the New Testament…
Mr. Incredible says:
Irrelevant.
Bore Us says:
… even though it is a Greek word.
Mr. Incredible says:
The Word of God is not a political document.
Bore Us says:
The Bible’s idea of government is always theocracy.
Mr. Incredible says:
No, it isn’t.
… Conservatives take over Congress next January.
Bore Us says:
The conservatives won’t be taking over anything.
Mr. Incredible says:
Oh, yes they will. Just wait and see. The Democrats and Liberals –WWAAAAYYYY too often one and the same — are very worried.
“Force”??? If we were to force, you’d be on our side. You haven’t been converted. So, what’s your beef?
Bore Us says:
You trying to turn women into breeding animals.
Mr. Incredible says:
You’re trying to change them into something God did make them to be.
The purpose is to have children. When a man has sex with a woman, they are risking pregnancy.
Bore Us says:
Maybe for you that is the purpose of sex…
Mr. Incredible says:
It is the primary purpose of sex.
Bore Us says:
… although it’s obvious you hate women…
Mr. Incredible says:
You keep making things up.
Bore Us says:
… and are attracted only to men.
Mr. Incredible says:
You think so, huh?
Well, you’ve been lying all along, and, so, it’s no surprise that you’re lying there, too.
Bore Us says:
But over 99% of the time the purpose of sex is to have pleasure…
Mr. Incredible says:
Not true.
The purpose of sex is procreation. Pleasure may motivate.
Bore Us says:
… something you think is evil.
Mr. Incredible says:
The Word of God says it is pleasurable. However, that pleasure is not my god.
Bore Us says:
You are so sick and twisted…
Mr. Incredible says:
Romans 8:1 [KJV]
Bore Us says:
… but a great source of entertainment.
Mr. Incredible says:
As long as you give me these opportunities to get the Message out beyond you.
Bore Us says:
It’s hard to believe people as backward as you still exist.
Mr. Incredible says:
It’s hard for you to believe anything that you haven’t made up in your own mind.
I know of no one who wants to force anyone to be a parent, if they aren’t one already.
Bore Us says:
You do.
Mr. Incredible says:
Except that I don’t.
The law says that the unborn child, beginning at conception, as what the law calls “future interests.” This means that the unborn child is what the law calls a “jural person.” Corporations are jural persons. If we can say that corporations are persons, we can see that the unborn are persons. “Future interests” is, essentially, the same as “posterity.”
Bore Us says:
Wrong again.
Mr. Incredible says:
Of course, I am not wrong.
Bore Us says:
Embryos are not, have never been, and never will be persons.
Mr. Incredible says:
Except in the law, as I’ve explained. You don’t have to like it.



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posted March 5, 2010 at 2:10 pm


Folks Incredible’s feeble answers are funny aren’t they. Notice how he avoids all the points that destroy his belief system with words like “irrelevant.” Nothing could be more irrelevant than the Bible except for the babbling brainwashed morons who believe it. This nut ball wasted at last an hour desperately trying to deflect all the fun we are having at his expense. Keep it up stupid. Your religious delusions are truly hilarious and your lies a perfect reflection of the untruths your evil and false religion is based on. Better make up another imaginary friend to post supporting comments for you loser. Where’s harry? hahahahaha



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posted March 5, 2010 at 4:39 pm


What was that Boris?
“This nut ball wasted at last an hour desperately trying to deflect all the fun we are having at his expense.”
I noticed you didn’t bring up one relevant topic with Cara, other then picking on her intelligence. Which by your standards Boris is about your own character. So, look back at your writings when discussing others and you can learn allot about you, because it is about yourself, not them. Certainly not sticking to any subject matter at hand which is a relevant topic. Your cruel and insensitive and you need help, Boris. Karma*
Was that, at last an hour?
Or, was that, at least an hour?
grammer????
So sorry you didn’t stick to the issues at hand and made a spelling error.
Of, course I wouldn’t be so stupid in trying to pick on other people who do likewise. Wisdom comes from the Lord.



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posted March 5, 2010 at 5:35 pm


Pumpkin-head Boris says:
Folks Incredible’s feeble answers are funny aren’t they.
Mr. Incredible says:
Scoffers like life-hating Bartles and James sipper Boris laugh at everything, like the one guy at a party, in the corner, laughing by himself. It’s no big deal.
BAC Boris says:
Notice how he avoids all the points that destroy his belief system with words like “irrelevant.”
Mr. Incredible says:
There’s no use answering irrelevant points, points that you bring up just to try to bog things down.
Psychosis-wracked Boris says:
Nothing could be more irrelevant than the Bible…
Mr. Incredible says:
We can see that the Word of God is irrelvent to you. But so what?
Psychiatrically-challenged Boris says:
…except for the babbling brainwashed morons who believe it.
Mr. Incredible says:
So, we know you’re threatened by us. That’s tuff.
Of course, there’s nothing to be threatened about, but paranoia is part of the rash of mental problems you’re having.
Elvis has left the building, but Boris, who has left the planet says:
This nut ball wasted at last an hour desperately trying to deflect all the fun we are having at his expense.
Mr. Incredible says:
And it was so easy for me to do a fantastic job of deflecting your drunken jabs, too.
Believe me, there’s nothing you do that is at MY expense, except drain “Flip City” of money for your treatment.
Brain-pickled Boris says:
Keep it up stupid.
Mr. Incredible says:
Somebody check with the zoo and tell them I think I found the missing monkey and he’s tapping out messages to me on BeliefNet. Ain’t that right, Zippy.
Boris Beer Fog says:
Your religious delusions…
Mr. Incredible says:
You need to persuade yourself to believe that in order to project your own delusions on the world. However, we’re wise to your DUI’s devices.
Barley, Malt and Hops Boris says:
…are truly hilarious…
Mr. Incredible says:
And you think that, just cuz you laugh at my posts, I’m intimidated. You’ll notice that you haven’t intimidated me yet.
“Rollin'” Boris says:
… and your lies…
Mr. Incredible says:
I cannot lie in Christ. You’re not in Christ, and, so, you can, and do, lie. An easy call.
“Set’em Up” Boris says:
…a perfect reflection of the untruths your evil and false religion is based on.
Mr. Incredible says:
That’s what the Devil says, too, and I don’t listen to him, either.



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posted March 5, 2010 at 9:15 pm


Do you really think you can get away with insulting people and still go to heaven? Hahaha. Got a message from Jesus for you: “I never knew you.” Obviously you haven’t read what the Bible says happens to name callers like you. See tou in hell loser.



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posted March 5, 2010 at 9:54 pm


“Bender” Boris says:
Do you really think you can get away with insulting people and still go to heaven?
Mr. Incredible says:
It’s just blowback from the fire YOU started. Now, your whinin’ like a little girl.
“Bender” Boris says:
Got a message from Jesus for you: “I never knew you.”
Mr. Incredible says:
That’s not a message from Jesus, rather from the pit of hell.
“Bender” Boris says:
Obviously you haven’t read what the Bible says happens to name callers like you.
Mr. Incredible says:
Jesus called people names.
“Bender” Boris says:
See tou in hell loser.
Mr. Incredible says:
That won’t be me you see. You’ll be looking in the mirror.
In any case, your psychoses have been noted.



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posted March 5, 2010 at 9:58 pm


Boris “My Shock Treatments Didn’t Take” the Boozer says:
Do you really think you can get away with insulting people and still go to heaven?
Mr. Incredible says:
Don’t get mad at me just cuz I have continued to outwit you.



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posted March 5, 2010 at 10:00 pm


your whinin’ like a little girl. — — >you’re whinin’ like a little girl.



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posted March 6, 2010 at 2:08 am


Whoever convinced you the Bible was true outwitted YOU Incredibly gullible. How many people in the world actually believe the Bible the way you do? The Bible has stood the test of time! Sure, only the stupoid believe.



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posted March 6, 2010 at 3:59 am


Barley Broth Boris says:
Whoever convinced you…
Mr. Incredible says:
No one had to “convince” me. I saw the Truth of His Word, in action, for myself, confirmed by His performance in the past.
Barley Broth Boris says:
… the Bible was true outwitted YOU Incredibly gullible.
Mr. Incredible says:
At some point in the past, I would like you, until I came to my senses in Him. When I was like you, then, He outwitted me for sure. God, through Christ, can STILL outwit me. That’s why I don’t rely on my own strength, rather His. We know that’s over your head.
Barley Broth Boris says:
How many people in the world actually believe the Bible the way you do?
Mr. Incredible says:
It doesn’t matter. I’m not looking for a show of hands. I’m not asking anybody in the world what I should believe. So, I don’t care, except that I have unselfish concern for those who will die without Christ.
Barley Broth Boris says:
The Bible has stood the test of time!
Mr. Incredible says:
It’s about time you came around.
Barley Broth Boris says:
Sure, only the stupoid [sic] believe.
Mr. Incredible says:
Stupid for Christ! What a deal! I’ll take it!



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posted March 6, 2010 at 4:00 am


At some point in the past, I would like you — — >At some point in the past, I was like you



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posted March 6, 2010 at 8:37 am


Intelligence-resistant Boris says:
Whoever convinced you the Bible was true outwitted YOU Incredibly gullible.
Mr. Incredible says:
Translation: “Hath God said…?”



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posted March 6, 2010 at 5:41 pm


The point that I was trying to make is this: The Bible simply can not be refuted. Scripture is scripture, one verse or two. If you want to pull out an entire topic, get all you can on the subject, that would be best.
refute- to prove to be false.
John 8: 10,11
When Jesus had raised Himself up and saw no one but the woman, He said to her, ” Woman, where are those accusers of yours? Has no one condemned you?”
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She said,”No one, Lord.” And Jesus said to her, “Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more.”
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posted March 6, 2010 at 10:21 pm


Probably the dumbest words ever uttered: The point that I was trying to make is this: The Bible simply can not be refuted. Read ‘em and weep:
1) The Genesis 1 creation account conflicts with the order of events that are known to science. Genesis 1:1 The earth is created before light and stars, birds and whales before reptiles and insects, and flowering plants before any animals. From science, we know that the true order of events was just the opposite.
2) “And God said, Let there be light” (Genesis 1:3) and “. . .And the evening and the morning were the first day” (Genesis 1 :5), versus “And God said, ‘Let there be light in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night….’ “And God made two lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also… And the evening and morning were the fourth day” (Genesis 1 :14-19). These violates two major facts. Light cannot exist without a sun, and secondly, how can morning be distinguished from evening unless there is a sun and moon? Christians try to claim that god is the light he is referring to yet, considering the context it is quite obvious that the light god is speaking of is the light emitted by the sun. Just another feeble attempt at trying to rationalize such a MAJOR blunder.
3) God spends one-sixth of his entire creative effort (the second day) working on a solid firmament (Genesis 1:6-8). This strange structure, which God calls heaven, is intended to separate the higher waters from the lower waters. This firmament, if it existed, would have been quite an obstacle to our space program.
4) Plants are made on the third day (Genesis 1:11) before there was a sun to drive their photosynthetic processes (Genesis 1:14-19).
5) “And God said, ‘Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind… ‘And the evening and the morning were the third day” (Genesis 1:11-13), versus “And God said, ‘Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life… And God created – great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly… And the evening and the morning were the fifth day” (Genesis 1:20-23). Genesis says that life existed first on the land as plants and later the seas teemed with living creatures. Geological science can prove that the sea teemed with animals and vegetable life long before vegetation and life appeared on land.
6) “And God said, ‘Let the water bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven” (Genesis 1:20). Birds did not emerge from water.
7) “And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, the beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. And God made…every thing that creepth upon the earth after his kind…” (Genesis 1:24-25). Science contends that reptiles were created long before mammals, not simultaneously. While reptiles existed in the Carboniferous Age, mammals did not appear until the close of the Reptilian Age.
8) “So God created man in his own image,…male and female created he them” (Genesis 1:27), and “the evening and the morning were the sixth day” (Genesis 1:31). If Adam was created on the 6th day, approximately 6,000 years ago (Bishop Usher’s calculations), then nobody lived before 4,000 B.C. Prehistoric men would be fictitious. By tracing the genealogy of Jesus back 77 generations to Adam, the third chapter of Luke also supports belief in a very young earth. If each man had lived approximately 100 years, then the world would be no more than 9,684 (7,700 + 1984) years old. If each of Jesus’ ancestors had lived to be 1,000 years old (an age not even reached by Methuselah), the earth would still be only 78,984 (77,000 + 1984) years old, according to creationists.
9) “And to every beast of the earth, and every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so” (Genesis 1:30). Carnivorous beasts and fowl do not eat green herbs, nor were all animals originally herbivores. Simply consider tapeworms, vampire bats, mosquitoes, barracudas, tigers, etc.
10) In Genesis 1, the entire creation takes 6 days (Genesis 1:31), at the end of which the earth and its living things are pretty much as they are today. But we know from modern science that the universe (including the earth and life on earth) evolved slowly over billions of years.
11) In Genesis 2:7 humans are created instantaneously from dust and breath, whereas they actually evolved over millions of years from simpler life forms. Science can in fact trace back human evolution CONCLUSIVELY 3 .2 million years.
12) God makes the animals (Genesis 2:18) and parades them before Adam to see if any would strike his fancy. But none seem to have what it takes to please him. After making the animals, God has Adam name them all. The naming of several million species must have kept Adam busy for a while, why Adam would still have to be living for we haven’t even discovered nor named all the species. Also consider the idea of every living creature being brought to the Middle East, that would have killed many animals due to climatic changes.
13) God curses the serpent, making him crawl on his belly and eat dust (Genesis 3:14). One wonders how he got around before — by hopping on his tail, perhaps? But snakes don’t eat dust, do they?
14) “There were giants in the earth in those days.” Genesis 6:4 But there is no archaeological evidence for the existence of these giants. Also there is a reference to the “Nephilim” being on the earth. Which is a term used for half angel, half human. Why is there no archaeological evidence for the existence of the Nephilim either?
15) Noah is told to make an ark that is 450 feet long (Genesis 6:14-15). The largest wooden ships ever built were just over 300 feet, and they required diagonal iron strapping for support. Even so, they leaked so badly that they had to be pumped constantly. Are we to believe that Noah, with no shipbuilding knowledge and no shipbuilding tradition to rely upon, was able to construct a wooden ship that was longer than any that has been built since?
16) Whether by twos or by sevens, Noah takes male and female representatives from each species of “every thing that creepeth upon the earth” (Genesis 7:8). Now this must have taken some time, along with expert knowledge of taxonomy, genetics, biogeography, and anatomy. How did Noah manage to collect the endemic species from the New World, Australia, Polynesia, and other remote regions entirely unknown to him? How, once he found them, did he transport them back to his Near Eastern home? How could he tell the male and female beetles (there are more than 500,000 species) apart? How did he know how to care for these new and unfamiliar animals? How did he find the space on the ark? How did he manage to find and care for the hundreds of thousands of parasitic species or the hundreds of thousands of plant species? (Plants are ignored in the Genesis account, but the animals wouldn’t last long if the plants died in the flood.) No, wait, don’t tell me, a miracle happened, millions of them.
17) All of the animals boarded the ark “in the selfsame day” (Genesis 7:13-14). Since there were several million species involved, they must have boarded at a rate of at least 100 per second. How did poor Noah and his family make sure that the correct number of each species entered through the door and then get them all settled into their proper living quarters so efficiently? I wish the airline companies could do as well!
18) The flood covered the highest mountain tops (Mount Everest?) with fifteen cubits to spare (Genesis 7:20). Where did all the water come from? Where did it all go? Why is there no evidence of such a massive flood in the geological record?
19) When the animals left the ark (Genesis 8:19), what would they have eaten? There would have been no plants after the ground had been submerged for nearly a year. What would the carnivores have eaten? Whatever prey they ate would have gone extinct. And how did the New World primates or the Australian marsupials find there way back after the flood subsided?
20) Noah kills the “clean beasts” and burns their dead bodies for God (Genesis 8:20). According to Genesis 7:8 this would have caused the extinction of all “clean” animals since only two of each were taken onto the ark. So why is it that we still have “clean” animals?
21) God is filled with remorse for having drowned his creatures in the flood. He even puts the rainbow in the sky so that whenever the animals see it they will remember God’s promise not to do it again (Genesis 9:13). But rainbows are caused by the nature of light, the refractive index of water, and the shape of raindrops. There were rainbows billions of years before humans existed.
22) “The whole earth was of one language” (Genesis 11:1). But this could not be true, since by this time (around 2400 BCE) there were already many languages, each unintelligible to the others.
23) (Genesis. 11:4) According to the Tower of Babel story, the many human languages were created instantaneously by God (Genesis 11:9) But actually the various languages evolved gradually over long periods of time.
24) (Genesis 14:14) Abram goes into pursuit looking for his captive relative in the city of Dan. The problem here is that the city of Dan did not exist until over 300 years after Moses died. How is it that Abram could enter the city of Dan, when the city did not even exist?
25) Jacob displays his (and God’s) knowledge of biology by having goats copulate while looking at streaked rods. The result is streaked baby goats (Genesis 30:37). The author of Genesis (God?) believed that genetic characteristics of the offspring are determined by what the parents see at the moment of conception. This is a laughable belief. Ask any animal husbandrist.
26) Camels don’t divide the hoof (Leviticus 11:4). This statement is completely moronic for every TEENAGER knows what a “camel toe” and how it used to describe a specific split.
27) The bible says that hares and conies are unclean because they “chew the cud” but do not part the hoof (Leviticus 11:5-6). But hares and coneys are not ruminants and they do not “chew the cud.”
28) Bats are birds to the biblical God (Leviticus 11:13-19 & Deuteronomy 14:11-18).
29) Some birds have four feet (Leviticus 11:20-21).
30) If there is a God, there is one thing we know for sure about him: He really likes insects (particularly beetles). There are more species of insects, by far, than all other species of life on earth. As JBS Haldane said, “he has an inordinate fondness for beetles.” Yet insects are said to have four legs in Leviticus 11:22-23.
31) Unicorns have never existed, yet they are said to in Deuteronomy 33:17.
32) Fiery serpents have NEVER existed yet Numbers 21:6 claims they do and TO THIS DAY STILL inhabit certain cities. -Evilbible.com



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posted March 6, 2010 at 10:24 pm


Mr. Incredible says:
Stupid for Christ! What a deal! I’ll take it!
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posted March 7, 2010 at 4:14 am


Mr. Incredible says:
Stupid for Christ! What a deal! I’ll take it!
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You can have it.
Mr. Incredible says:
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Mr. Incredible

posted March 7, 2010 at 5:52 am


Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
1) The Genesis 1 creation account conflicts with the order of events that are known to science.
Mr. Incredible says:
They are not known to Science cuz nobody but God and His Son were there to witness it.
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
Genesis 1:1 The earth is created before light and stars, birds and whales before reptiles and insects, and flowering plants before any animals.
Mr. Incredible says:
Already refuted adequately and completely. That is not the order of things in the Word of God, as anyone with two cells of the brain can read for themselves.
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
From science, we know that the true order of events was just the opposite.
Mr. Incredible says:
Name one scientist who was witness to the Creation event and who says that God’s version of that event is not accurate.
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
2) “And God said, Let there be light” (Genesis 1:3) and “. . .And the evening and the morning were the first day” (Genesis 1 :5), versus “And God said, ‘Let there be light in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night….’ “And God made two lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also… And the evening and morning were the fourth day” (Genesis 1 :14-19). These violates two major facts. Light cannot exist without a sun…
Mr. Incredible says:
In YOUR world. In YOUR imagination.
In any case, how do YOU know that, when He said, “Light be!” He was talking about the sun? [Read John 1 for the answer]
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
… and secondly, how can morning be distinguished from evening unless there is a sun and moon?
Mr. Incredible says:
1 Corinthians 2:14
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
Christians try to claim that god…
Mr. Incredible says:
We don’t have “god.”
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
…is the light he is referring to yet, considering the context it is quite obvious that the light god…
Mr. Incredible asks:
What “god” is that?
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
…is speaking of is the light emitted by the sun.
Mr. Incredible says:
It is “obvious” to those who wanna see that.
However, John 1 explains it. So, it is clear that the “light” of Genesis 1:3 is not the “light” of the following verses of Genesis 1. Scoffers wouldn’t pick that up.
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
Just another feeble attempt at trying to rationalize such a MAJOR blunder.
Mr. Incredible says:
As I point out, YOU have made the major blunder.
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
3) God spends one-sixth of his entire creative effort (the second day) working on a solid firmament (Genesis 1:6-8).
Mr. Incredible must correct Pabst Blue Ribbon Boris again:
As anyone who reads can see, your account is completely false. A deliberate deception. [Gee, I wonder where you got the idea to deceive]
There is nothing in those verses suggesting a “solid firmament.”
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
This strange structure, which God calls heaven, is intended to separate the higher waters from the lower waters. This firmament, if it existed, would have been quite an obstacle to our space program.
Mr. Incredible says:
No problem since it isn’t solid.
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
4) Plants are made on the third day (Genesis 1:11) before there was a sun to drive their photosynthetic processes (Genesis 1:14-19).
Mr. Incredible says:
God doesn’t have to follow YOUR rules. He is a great even without YOU.
In any case, the Day had already existed.
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
5) “And God said, ‘Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind… ‘And the evening and the morning were the third day” (Genesis 1:11-13), versus “And God said, ‘Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life… And God created – great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly… And the evening and the morning were the fifth day” (Genesis 1:20-23). Genesis says that life existed first on the land as plants and later the seas teemed with living creatures.
Mr. Incredible says:
That’s right.
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
Geological science can prove that the sea teemed with animals and vegetable life long before vegetation and life appeared on land.
Mr. Incredible says:
Impossible. Nobody but God and His Son were there to witness the Creation Event.
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
6) “And God said, ‘Let the water bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven” (Genesis 1:20). Birds did not emerge from water.
Mr. Incredible says:
“‘and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven'; which according to our version were to be produced out of the waters also; not out of mere water, but out of earth and water mixed together, or out of the earth or clay (p) that lay at the bottom of the waters: and it may be observed of some fowls, that they live on the waters, and others partly on land and partly on water; and as the elements of fowl and fish, the air and water, bear a resemblance to each other, so do these creatures, some fowls both fly and swim; and what wings are to the one, fins are to the other; and both steer their course by their tails, and are both oviparous: though it should seem, according to Gen_2:19, that the fowls were produced from the earth, and the words may be rendered here, “let the fowl fly above the earth”, &c. as they are in the Samaritan and Syriac versions, and in others (q).” — — John Gill’s Exposition of the Entire Bible
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
7) “And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, the beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. And God made…every thing that creepth upon the earth after his kind…” (Genesis 1:24-25). Science contends that reptiles were created long before mammals, not simultaneously. While reptiles existed in the Carboniferous Age, mammals did not appear until the close of the Reptilian Age.
Mr. Incredible says:
Creation has taken a long time. Nothing in those versus says, nor suggest, simultaneous creation.
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
8) “So God created man in his own image,…male and female created he them” (Genesis 1:27)…
Mr. Incredible says:
These were the spirits of Man.
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
… and “the evening and the morning were the sixth day” (Genesis 1:31). If Adam was created on the 6th day, approximately 6,000 years ago (Bishop Usher’s calculations), then nobody lived before 4,000 B.C.
Mr. Incredible says:
Who says we must except his calculations?
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
9) “And to every beast of the earth, and every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so” (Genesis 1:30). Carnivorous beasts and fowl do not eat green herbs, nor were all animals originally herbivores. Simply consider tapeworms, vampire bats, mosquitoes, barracudas, tigers, etc.
Mr. Incredible provides:
“‘I have given every green herb for meat'; the leaves for some, and seed for others; and here is no mention made of flesh; and perhaps those creatures which are now carnivorous were not so at their first creation: and it was so; every creature, both man and beast, had food suitable to their nature and appetite, and a sufficiency of it. (From Rom_5:12, it is certain that up until the fall no animal ate other animals, otherwise there would have been death before Adam’s first sin, which is said to be the cause of death. Ed.)” — — John Gill’s Exposition of the Entire Bible
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
10) In Genesis 1, the entire creation takes 6 days (Genesis 1:31), at the end of which the earth and its living things are pretty much as they are today. But we know from modern science that the universe (including the earth and life on earth) evolved slowly over billions of years.
Mr. Incredible says:
Their kinds were made in six days. Templates.
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
11) In Genesis 2:7 humans are created instantaneously…
Mr. Incredible says:
… Man/and a man was created. Not “humans.”
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
… from dust and breath…
Mr. Incredible says:
Absolutely true.
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
…whereas they actually evolved over millions of years from simpler life forms.
Mr. Incredible says:
God says that He made Man Special Creation. Separate from the animals.
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
Science can in fact trace back human evolution CONCLUSIVELY 3 .2 million years.
Mr. Incredible says:
It’s not conclusive. Only speculation.
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
12) God makes the animals (Genesis 2:18) and parades them before Adam to see if any would strike his fancy. But none seem to have what it takes to please him. After making the animals, God has Adam name them all. The naming of several million species must have kept Adam busy for a while, why Adam would still have to be living for we haven’t even discovered nor named all the species.
Irrelevant.
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
Also consider the idea of every living creature being brought to the Middle East, that would have killed many animals due to climatic changes.
Mr. Incredible says:
Irrelevant. This was during times of the beginning of Creation. You are trying to impose what you see today on what was then. Major mistake.
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
13) God curses the serpent, making him crawl on his belly and eat dust (Genesis 3:14). One wonders how he got around before — by hopping on his tail, perhaps? But snakes don’t eat dust, do they?
Mr. Incredible presents:
“And dust shall thou eat all the days of thy life; meaning not that particular serpent, and as long as that should live, but all of the same kind, as long as there were any in the world, even to the end of it: it is probable, that when the serpent moved in a more erect posture, it lived on herbs and plants as other creatures; but when it was obliged to go upon its belly or breast, it licked up the dust of the earth, and which it could not well avoid in eating whatsoever food it did; and some serpents are said to live upon it. This is applicable to Satan, designs the mean and abject condition in which he is, and the sordid food he lives upon; no more on angels’ food and joys of heaven, but on the base, mean, earthly, and impure lusts of men; and this will be his case, condition, and circumstances, for ever.” — — John Gill’s Exposition of the Entire Bible
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
14) “There were giants in the earth in those days.” Genesis 6:4 But there is no archaeological evidence for the existence of these giants.
Mr. Incredible says:
Evidence has been presented in many programs.
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
Also there is a reference to the “Nephilim” being on the earth. Which is a term used for half angel, half human. Why is there no archaeological evidence for the existence of the Nephilim either?
Mr. Incredible further provides:
“Gen 6:4
‘There were giants in the earth ‘- ????? nephilim, from ??? naphal, “he fell.” Those who had apostatized or fallen from the true religion. The Septuagint translate the original word by ????????, which literally signifies earth-born, and which we, following them, term giants, without having any reference to the meaning of the word, which we generally conceive to signify persons of enormous stature. But the word when properly understood makes a very just distinction between the sons of men and the sons of God; those were the nephilim, the fallen earth-born men, with the animal and devilish mind. These were the sons of God, who were born from above; children of the kingdom, because children of God. Hence we may suppose originated the different appellatives given to sinners and saints; the former were termed ????????, earth-born, and the latter, ??????, i.e. saints, persons not of the earth, or separated from the earth. — — Adam Clark’s Commentary on the Bible
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
15) Noah is told to make an ark that is 450 feet long (Genesis 6:14-15). The largest wooden ships ever built were just over 300 feet, and they required diagonal iron strapping for support. Even so, they leaked so badly that they had to be pumped constantly. Are we to believe that Noah, with no shipbuilding knowledge…
Mr. Incredible says:
Except the knowledge God gave him.
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
…and no shipbuilding tradition to rely upon…
Mr. Incredible says:
Irrelevant. God gave him all the knowledge and understanding he needed.
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
…was able to construct a wooden ship that was longer than any that has been built since?
Mr. Incredible says:
You don’t have to believe it. And you don’t. So what? It still happened.
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
16) Whether by twos or by sevens, Noah takes male and female representatives from each species of “every thing that creepeth upon the earth” (Genesis 7:8). Now this must have taken some time, along with expert knowledge of taxonomy, genetics, biogeography, and anatomy. How did Noah manage to collect the endemic species from the New World, Australia, Polynesia, and other remote regions entirely unknown to him?
Mr. Incredible says:
God is great, isn’t he. He provided for Noah.
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
How, once he found them, did he transport them back to his Near Eastern home?
Mr. Incredible says:
God found a way for him. Isn’t He wonderful.
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
How could he tell the male and female beetles (there are more than 500,000 species) apart?
Mr. Incredible says:
God did some of the work. Noah didn’t have to know everything.
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
How did he know how to care for these new and unfamiliar animals?
Mr. Incredible says:
God told him.
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
How did he find the space on the ark?
Mr. Incredible says:
God directed him. Show him how.
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
How did he manage to find and care for the hundreds of thousands of parasitic species or the hundreds of thousands of plant species?
Mr. Incredible says:
God helped him.
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
(Plants are ignored in the Genesis account, but the animals wouldn’t last long if the plants died in the flood.) No, wait, don’t tell me, a miracle happened, millions of them.
Mr. Incredible says:
God is great, isn’t He.
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
17) All of the animals boarded the ark “in the selfsame day” (Genesis 7:13-14). Since there were several million species involved, they must have boarded at a rate of at least 100 per second.
Mr. Incredible says:
God finds a way.
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
How did poor Noah and his family make sure that the correct number of each species entered through the door and then get them all settled into their proper living quarters so efficiently?
Mr. Incredible says:
God was with him.
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
18) The flood covered the highest mountain tops (Mount Everest?) with fifteen cubits to spare (Genesis 7:20). Where did all the water come from?
Mr. Incredible says:
From the evidence I’ve seen in programs presenting that evidence, the Earth’s axis was straight up-and-down. There was no tilt. So, the water came from the Poles.
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
Where did it all go?
Mr. Incredible says:
In the Flood.
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
Why is there no evidence of such a massive flood in the geological record?
Mr. Incredible says:
Cuz you won’t believe it cuz you don’t believe any of it. But so what?
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
19) When the animals left the ark (Genesis 8:19), what would they have eaten? There would have been no plants after the ground had been submerged for nearly a year.
Mr. Incredible says:
They would’ve eaten what God provided for them. El Shaddai.
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
What would the carnivores have eaten?
Mr. Incredible says:
They would’ve eaten what God provided for them. El Shaddai.
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
Whatever prey they ate would have gone extinct.
Mr. Incredible says:
In the imaginations you’ve constructed.
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
And how did the New World primates or the Australian marsupials find there way back after the flood subsided?
Mr. Incredible says:
Irrelevant.
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
20) Noah kills the “clean beasts” and burns their dead bodies for God (Genesis 8:20). According to Genesis 7:8 this would have caused the extinction of all “clean” animals since only two of each were taken onto the ark. So why is it that we still have “clean” animals?
Mr. Incredible says:
Irrelevant to the spiritual journey.
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
21) God is filled with remorse for having drowned his creatures in the flood. He even puts the rainbow in the sky so that whenever the animals see it they will remember God’s promise not to do it again (Genesis 9:13). But rainbows are caused by the nature of light, the refractive index of water, and the shape of raindrops. There were rainbows billions of years before humans existed.
Mr. Incredible says:
God created rainbows. He put a particular rainbow in the sky for remembrance.
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
22) “The whole earth was of one language” (Genesis 11:1). But this could not be true…
Mr. Incredible says:
As you have constructed it in your own imagination.
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
…since by this time (around 2400 BCE) there were already many languages, each unintelligible to the others.
Mr. Incredible says:
You’re just trying to take what is irrelevant to the spiritual journey, and make it seem as though the entire Word of God is confusing.
Face it, the Word of God is confusing to YOU, not us. Read 1 Corinthians 2:14.
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
23) (Genesis. 11:4) According to the Tower of Babel story, the many human languages were created instantaneously by God (Genesis 11:9) But actually the various languages evolved gradually over long periods of time.
Mr. Incredible says:
God created the languages. Man’s use of them evolved.
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
24) (Genesis 14:14) Abram goes into pursuit looking for his captive relative in the city of Dan. The problem here is that the city of Dan did not exist until over 300 years after Moses died. How is it that Abram could enter the city of Dan, when the city did not even exist?
Mr. Incredible provides the explanation:
” the Jerusalem Targum is, to Dan of Caesarea, meaning Caesarea of Philippi, as in the times of Christ and his apostles it was called; which at first had the name of Leshem, or Lais, and was not called Dan until the times of the judges, Jdg_18:29; wherefore, if the same place is intended here, it is so called not only by anticipation, but by a spirit of prophecy; since it had not the name of Dan even in the times of Moses, the writer of this history, unless it may be thought to be inserted by Samuel or some other inspired writer, after Moses; though there is no need to suppose either of these, seeing there might be a town or city of this name in those parts at this time, or however one of the springs of Jordan might be so called, from whence the river had its name as early, Gen_13:11; and so Josephus (f) expressly says, speaking of this expedition, that Abram fell upon them at Dan, for so, adds he, the other fountain of Jordan is called. — — John Gill’s Exposition of the Entire Bible
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
25) Jacob displays his (and God’s) knowledge of biology by having goats copulate while looking at streaked rods. The result is streaked baby goats (Genesis 30:37). The author of Genesis (God?) believed that genetic characteristics of the offspring are determined by what the parents see at the moment of conception. This is a laughable belief.
Mr. Incredible says:
It’s all laughable to YOU. So what?
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
26) Camels don’t divide the hoof (Leviticus 11:4). This statement is completely moronic for every TEENAGER knows what a “camel toe” and how it used to describe a specific split.
Mr. Incredible says:
“Divideth not the hoof – The toes of the camel are divided above, but they are united below in a sort of cushion or pad resting upon the hard bottom of the foot, which is “like the sole of a shoe.” The Moslems eat the flesh of the camel, but it is said not to be wholesome.” — — Matthew Barnes’ Notes on the Bible
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
27) The bible says that hares and conies are unclean because they “chew the cud” but do not part the hoof (Leviticus 11:5-6). But hares and coneys are not ruminants and they do not “chew the cud.”
Mr. Incredible says:
To those who lived then, they thought that what they were seeing where hares chewing cud.
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
28) Bats are birds to the biblical God (Leviticus 11:13-19 & Deuteronomy 14:11-18).
Mr. Incredible says:
Not to God, rather to those to whom bats seemed to like birds.
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
29) Some birds have four feet (Leviticus 11:20-21).
Mr. Incredible says:
To those to whom it seemed so.
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
30) If there is a God, there is one thing we know for sure about him: He really likes insects (particularly beetles). There are more species of insects, by far, than all other species of life on earth. As JBS Haldane said, “he has an inordinate fondness for beetles.” Yet insects are said to have four legs in Leviticus 11:22-23.
Mr. Incredible says:
To those to whom it seemed so.
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
31) Unicorns have never existed, yet they are said to in Deuteronomy 33:17.
Mr. Incredible provides:
“His horns are like the horns of unicorns – ??? reem, which we translate unicorn, from the ????????? monokeros of the Septuagint, signifies, according to Bochart, the mountain goat; and according to others, the rhinoceros, a very large quadruped with one great horn on his nose, from which circumstance his name is derived.” — — Adam Clarke’s Commentary on the Bible
Bartles and James-Breath Boris says:
32) Fiery serpents have NEVER existed yet Numbers 21:6 claims they do and TO THIS DAY STILL inhabit certain cities.
Mr. Incredible says:
To THAT day, not today.



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Mr. Incredible

posted March 7, 2010 at 6:05 am


Notice that the idiot, Boris, copied, word for word, that long post of his. He copied and pasted from that Devil’s site he conveniently hides at the end of the post, hoping that you will not notice it. That’s the way the Devil works, too. He had to post somebody else’s words. Somebody else is telling him what to write.



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posted March 7, 2010 at 6:19 am


I notice it also that somebody had to tell him what to say Very dishonest of him



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Boris

posted March 7, 2010 at 12:49 pm


Mr. Incredible says:
They are not known to Science cuz nobody but God and His Son were there to witness it.
Boris says: Because of advancing science, murderers are put in jail all the time even though there was no one around to witness their crime. We don’t need eyewitness accounts to figure out what happened in the past. Who was around to witness God and himself (Jesus IS supposedly God, ROFL!) discuss anything? Where are your eyewitnesses? Where’s your foot? Hahahaha. It’s in your big fat lying mouth! ROFL!
Mr. Incredible says:
Already refuted adequately and completely. That is not the order of things in the Word of God, as anyone with two cells of the brain can read for themselves.
Boris says: We can all read the Bible stupid. Apparently you cannot.
Mr. Incredible says:
Name one scientist who was witness to the Creation event and who says that God’s version of that event is not accurate.
Boris says: All scientists are witnesses to the Big Bang. The universe is still expanding. The Big Bang is right here. Turn on your AM radio. 5 percent of that static you hear is the Big Bang.
Mr. Incredible says:
In YOUR world. In YOUR imagination.
Boris says: I don’t have an imaginary God. You do.
In any case, how do YOU know that, when He said, “Light be!” He was talking about the sun? [Read John 1 for the answer]
Boris says: I know. As Thomas Paine pointed out in the Origins of Freemasonry, Jesus is simply an allegory for the sun passing through the 12 signs of the zodiac. You worship the Sun, not the Son.
Mr. Incredible says:
1 Corinthians 2:14
Boris says: This is just another of the Bible’s many defenses against free inquiry and critical thinking. You lap up that religious brainwashing don’t you?
Mr. Incredible says:
We don’t have “god.”
Boris says: I know. There is no God.
Mr. Incredible says:
It is “obvious” to those who wanna see that.
Boris says: I believe what I see; you believe what you think.
However, John 1 explains it. So, it is clear that the “light” of Genesis 1:3 is not the “light” of the following verses of Genesis 1. Scoffers wouldn’t pick that up.
Mr. Incredible says:
As I point out, YOU have made the major blunder.
Boris says: Prove it loser.
Mr. Incredible must correct Pabst Blue Ribbon Boris again:
As anyone who reads can see, your account is completely false. A deliberate deception. [Gee, I wonder where you got the idea to deceive]
Boris says: It’s the Bible’s account that is completely false.
There is nothing in those verses suggesting a “solid firmament.”
Boris says: How does it hold back the water in the sky then? Oops. ROFL!
Mr. Incredible says:
No problem since it isn’t solid.
Boris says: I know but the Bible clearly says it is.
Mr. Incredible says:
God doesn’t have to follow YOUR rules. He is a great even without YOU.
Boris says: God doesn’t understand photosynthesis. ROFL!
In any case, the Day had already existed.
Boris says: Without a sun and moon no days could have existed. Case closed.
Mr. Incredible says:
That’s right.
Boris says: Not according to science.
Mr. Incredible says:
Impossible. Nobody but God and His Son were there to witness the Creation Event.
Boris says: Eyewitness accounts are notoriously unreliable.
Mr. Incredible says:
“‘and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven'; which according to our version were to be produced out of the waters also; not out of mere water, but out of earth and water mixed together, or out of the earth or clay (p) that lay at the bottom of the waters: and it may be observed of some fowls, that they live on the waters, and others partly on land and partly on water; and as the elements of fowl and fish, the air and water, bear a resemblance to each other, so do these creatures, some fowls both fly and swim; and what wings are to the one, fins are to the other; and both steer their course by their tails, and are both oviparous: though it should seem, according to Gen_2:19, that the fowls were produced from the earth, and the words may be rendered here, “let the fowl fly above the earth”, &c. as they are in the Samaritan and Syriac versions, and in others (q).” — — John Gill’s Exposition of the Entire Bible
Boris says: Animals evolved, they weren’t created all at once.
Mr. Incredible says:
Creation has taken a long time. Nothing in those versus says, nor suggest, simultaneous creation.
Boris says: Evolution has taken a long time. Creationism is a religious hoax believed by only the very ignorant.
Mr. Incredible says:
Who says we must except his calculations?
Boris says: Who says we have to accept your ludicrous claims about the Bible?
Mr. Incredible provides:
“‘I have given every green herb for meat'; the leaves for some, and seed for others; and here is no mention made of flesh; and perhaps those creatures which are now carnivorous were not so at their first creation: and it was so; every creature, both man and beast, had food suitable to their nature and appetite, and a sufficiency of it. (From Rom_5:12, it is certain that up until the fall no animal ate other animals, otherwise there would have been death before Adam’s first sin, which is said to be the cause of death. Ed.)” — — John Gill’s Exposition of the Entire Bible
Boris says: Why can’t you come up with your own answers loser? Humans ate meat up until agriculture was invented. The Bible is completely backwards about this. As usual.
Mr. Incredible says:
Their kinds were made in six days. Templates.
Boris says: There is no such thing as “kinds.”
Mr. Incredible says:
… Man/and a man was created. Not “humans.”
Boris says: What’s the difference?
Mr. Incredible says:
Absolutely true.
Boris says: Prove it. ROFL!
Mr. Incredible says:
God says that He made Man Special Creation. Separate from the animals.
Boris says: Humans are classified as a species of ape. We are animals.
Mr. Incredible says:
It’s not conclusive. Only speculation.
Boris says: Science relies on facts, not speculation. Bible believers have fought against, lied about and denied EVERY scientific discovery and theory ever made ever since the Bible has existed even the ones made by other Christians. Your science bashing is a long established Christian tradition that has accomplished exactly nothing. When have scientists ever had to revise one of their theories in the face of the never-ending, centuries long denials and complaints from Bible believers?
Irrelevant.
Boris says: The major blunders and flaws in the Bible are NOT irrelevant.
Mr. Incredible says:
Irrelevant. This was during times of the beginning of Creation. You are trying to impose what you see today on what was then. Major mistake.
Boris says: Not according to your enemy, science.
Mr. Incredible says:
Evidence has been presented in many programs.
Boris says: Okay, present the evidence for the existence of giants right here. ROFL!
Mr. Incredible says:
Except the knowledge God gave him.
Boris says: The ark as it is described in the Bible would not have survived a rainstorm let alone a major flood. Christians must always invoke God’s magical boogy powers to explain the impossible.
Mr. Incredible says:
Irrelevant. God gave him all the knowledge and understanding he needed.
Boris says: It’s magic! That’s just not good enough Incredible.
Mr. Incredible says:
You don’t have to believe it. And you don’t. So what? It still happened.
Boris says: No, your flood did not happen. It’s a myth.
Mr. Incredible says:
God is great, isn’t he. He provided for Noah.
Boris says: Magical answers are the same as NO answers.
Mr. Incredible says:
God found a way for him. Isn’t He wonderful.
Boris says: “God did it” is not an explanation. It proves you don’t have an explanation.
Mr. Incredible says:
God did some of the work. Noah didn’t have to know everything.
Boris says: Noah never existed.
Mr. Incredible says:
God told him.
Boris says: The rest of your retarded answers all rely on magical explanations. The time you wasted trying to answer all the problems in the Bible proves just how desperate and frightened you really are. It must be devastating to your evil childlike mind to know that this is the last generation of Christians and that your religion has all but ceased to exist. Go into any church. Are Joel Osteen and all the other popular preachers preaching Christianity? No, Christianity has been replaced by a new age religion in which Jesus is no longer the central figure. Everything evolves and eventually becomes extinct. Christianity is nothing but a rotting stinking corpse. And you Mr. Incredible are also nothing. You are as insignificant as anything could possibly be. And you KNOW it too. Thanks for the laughs stupid.



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posted March 7, 2010 at 3:57 pm


No boris,
That would be trying to clear up your irrelevant mess of ideas in view.
Genesis 1: 1
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Let’s get it right.
C
p.s. Boris, you don’t have to believe it. That is the point. God gave you free will.



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posted March 7, 2010 at 9:57 pm


Cara,
The Genesis 1 creation account conflicts with the order of events that are known to science. In Genesis the earth is created before light and stars, birds and whales before reptiles and insects, and flowering plants before any animals. From science, we know that the true order of events was just the opposite. So the Bible has indeed been refuted. You don’t have to believe that but it’s true.



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posted March 8, 2010 at 5:37 am


Boris “Beavis” Butthead says:
The Genesis 1 creation account conflicts with the order of events that are known to science.
Mr. Incredible says:
No, it doesn’t, as I’ve explained several times, and as anyone with at least one working eye and one cell of brain can read for themselves.
Boris “Beavis” Butthead says:
In Genesis the earth is created before light and stars…
Mr. Incredible says:
No, it isn’t, as I’ve explained several times, and that anyone with at least one working eye and one cell of brain can read for themselves.
Boris “Beavis” Butthead says:
…birds and whales before reptiles and insects, and flowering plants before any animals.
Mr. Incredible says:
Irrelevant, as I’ve explained several times, and that anyone with at least one working eye and one cell of brain can read for themselves.
Boris “Beavis” Butthead says:
From science, we know that the true order of events was just the opposite.
Mr. Incredible says:
All of that is speculation, as I’ve explained.
Boris “Beavis” Butthead says:
So the Bible has indeed been refuted.
Mr. Incredible says:
No, it hasn’t. In order to keep up your charade, you’ve had to persuade yourself that it has, even though it hasn’t.
Boris “Beavis” Butthead says:
You don’t have to believe that…
Mr. Incredible says:
Thanks. We don’t.
Boris “Beavis” Butthead says:
…but it’s true.
Mr. Incredible says:
YOUR interpretation is utterly false.



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posted March 8, 2010 at 6:55 am


Mr. Incredible says:
They are not known to Science cuz nobody but God and His Son were there to witness it.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
Because of advancing science, murderers are put in jail all the time even though there was no one around to witness their crime.
Mr. Incredible says:
Except that there is other CONCLUSIVE evidence that puts the murderer at the scene. In other words, the murderer is witness against himself, and he was there.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
We don’t need eyewitness accounts to figure out what happened in the past.
Mr. Incredible says:
Except that the murderer was there, and what he left behind witnesses against him. In other words, the murderer testifies against himself. HE is the witness.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
Who was around to witness God and himself (Jesus IS supposedly God, ROFL!) discuss anything?
Mr. Incredible says:
The Father and His Son of the First and Second Persons of God. God created. Both the Father and the Son were there. The Word of God is the Testimony of the Creation Event. You don’t have to believe it.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
Where are your eyewitnesses?
Mr. Incredible:
I’ve shown Them to you. Too bad that you’re so blind that you can’t see.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
Where’s your foot? Hahahaha. It’s in your big fat lying mouth! ROFL!
Mr. Incredible says:
As anyone with at least one, working eye and at least one cell of brain can read, my presentation squares with the Word of God. Yours is the presentation of a false witness the Word of God warns us about.
Mr. Incredible says:
Already refuted adequately and completely. That is not the order of things in the Word of God, as anyone with two cells of the brain can read for themselves.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
We can all read the Bible stupid.
Mr. Incredible says:
See? You forgot to exclude yourself. That’s cuz, as anyone with at least one, working eye and at least one cell of brain can read, you, as we’ve come to expect, got it all wrong. Yours is the work of the false witness the Word of God warns us about.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
Apparently you cannot.
Mr. Incredible says:
An elementary reading of the Word of God will tell anybody with at least one, working eye and one cell of brain that you, a false witness the Word of God tells us about, got it all wrong.
Mr. Incredible says:
Name one scientist who was witness to the Creation event and who says that God’s version of that event is not accurate.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
All scientists are witnesses to the Big Bang.
Mr. Incredible says:
Name ONE scientist who was present at the Big Bang. Just one.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
The universe is still expanding.
Mr. Incredible says:
From whose perspective?
Is the universe expanding from Earth, the center of the universe? Or does it just appear to be expanding “away” from the Earth? So, in which direction is expanding?
We know that the things in the universe are moving, but EXPANDING?? How do you know, if you’re not at the point from which it is expanding???
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
The Big Bang is right here.
Mr. Incredible says:
Where? In your trailer? In your head?
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
Turn on your AM radio. 5 percent of that static you hear is the Big Bang.
Mr. Incredible says:
It stuff. No one knows whether it’s the Big Bang. It’s speculation.
Mr. Incredible says:
In YOUR world. In YOUR imagination.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
I don’t have an imaginary God.
Mr. incredible says:
Yes, you do. It’s YOU.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
You do.
Mr. Incredible says:
Then, all the great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great multitudes through the Ages imagined God. And, yet, you can’t produce one, on-scene eyewitness to say that all of them didn’t see and don’t see what they said and say they saw and see. Not even one to refute all of them.
In any case, how do YOU know that, when He said, “Light be!” He was talking about the sun? [Read John 1 for the answer]
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
I know.
Mr. Incredible says:
The text of the Word of God testifies that you do not.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
As Thomas Paine pointed out in the Origins of Freemasonry, Jesus is simply an allegory for the sun passing through the 12 signs of the zodiac.
Mr. Incredible says:
Well, he’s wrong. Just like you.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
You worship the Sun, not the Son.
Mr. Incredible says:
Don’t worry, I worship the Son. You don’t have to like it. I don’t need your permission. I don’t need you to back me up.
1 Corinthians 2:14
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
This is just another of the Bible’s many defenses against free inquiry and critical thinking.
Mr. Incredible says:
No, it just explains why you don’t get any of it. You’ve precluded yourself from getting any of it.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
You lap up that religious brainwashing don’t you?
Mr. Incredible says:
“Brainwashed” for Jesus! What a deal!
We don’t have “god.”
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
I know.
Mr. Incredible says:
We have God. Not “god.”
Mr. Incredible says:
There is no God.
Mr. Incredible says:
You said that there is no “god.” For those who are born again, that’s true.
Now you say there is no “God.” Make up your mind.
Mr. Incredible says:
It is “obvious” to those who wanna see that.
I believe what I see; you believe what you think.
However, John 1 explains it. So, it is clear that the “light” of Genesis 1:3 is not the “light” of the following verses of Genesis 1. Scoffers wouldn’t pick that up.
As I point out, YOU have made the major blunder.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
Prove it loser.
Mr. Incredible says:
That’s already been done. You missed it. It went over your two heads.
Mr. Incredible must correct Pabst Blue Ribbon Boris again:
As anyone who reads can see, your account is completely false. A deliberate deception. [Gee, I wonder where you got the idea to deceive]
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
It’s the Bible’s account that is completely false.
Mr. Incredible says:
You haven’t proved it yet. In fact, I proved you wrong each and every time. You’re just a lunatic.
Mr. Incredible says:
There is nothing in those verses suggesting a “solid firmament.”
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
How does it hold back the water in the sky then? Oops. ROFL!
Mr. Incredible says:
It’s not relevant to the spiritual journey. It happened the way it happened. It doesn’t matter how. The Word of God is not a Science outline.
Mr. Incredible says:
No problem since it isn’t solid.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
I know but the Bible clearly says it is.
Mr. Incredible says:
The Word of God does not say “solid firmament.”
Mr. Incredible says:
God doesn’t have to follow YOUR rules. He is a great even without YOU.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
God doesn’t understand photosynthesis. ROFL!
Mr. Incredible says:
He created photosynthesis. It wasn’t important at the time that Man understand it. The Word of God is not instruction in biology.
Mr. Incredible says:
In any case, the Day had already existed.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
Without a sun and moon no days could have existed.
Mr. Incredible says:
In YOUR world. The one YOU’VE made up.
Mr. Incredible says:
That’s right.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
Not according to science.
Mr. Incredible says:
YOUR Science.
Mr. Incredible says:
Impossible. Nobody but God and His Son were there to witness the Creation Event.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
Eyewitness accounts are notoriously unreliable.
Mr. Incredible says:
God and His Son are completely reliable. You’ve shown yourself to be utterly unreliable.
Mr. Incredible says:
“‘and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven'; which according to our version were to be produced out of the waters also; not out of mere water, but out of earth and water mixed together, or out of the earth or clay (p) that lay at the bottom of the waters: and it may be observed of some fowls, that they live on the waters, and others partly on land and partly on water; and as the elements of fowl and fish, the air and water, bear a resemblance to each other, so do these creatures, some fowls both fly and swim; and what wings are to the one, fins are to the other; and both steer their course by their tails, and are both oviparous: though it should seem, according to Gen_2:19, that the fowls were produced from the earth, and the words may be rendered here, “let the fowl fly above the earth”, &c. as they are in the Samaritan and Syriac versions, and in others (q).” — — John Gill’s Exposition of the Entire Bible
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
Animals evolved, they weren’t created all at once.
Mr. Incredible says:
The Word of God doesn’t say that they were created all at once. YOU have INTO the Word of God. Scoffers have a way of doing that.
Mr. Incredible says:
Creation has taken a long time. Nothing in those verses says, nor suggest, simultaneous creation.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
Creationism is a religious hoax believed by only the very ignorant.
Mr. Incredible says:
And, yet, you believe things that were not observed. You also believe the things which you do not see and have not seen happened and existed and exist.
Mr. Incredible says:
Who says we must except his calculations?
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
Who says we have to accept your ludicrous claims about the Bible?
Mr. Incredible says:
You don’t. I never said you must.
Mr. Incredible provides:
“‘I have given every green herb for meat'; the leaves for some, and seed for others; and here is no mention made of flesh; and perhaps those creatures which are now carnivorous were not so at their first creation: and it was so; every creature, both man and beast, had food suitable to their nature and appetite, and a sufficiency of it. (From Rom_5:12, it is certain that up until the fall no animal ate other animals, otherwise there would have been death before Adam’s first sin, which is said to be the cause of death. Ed.)” — — John Gill’s Exposition of the Entire Bible
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
Why can’t you come up with your own answers loser?
Mr. Incredible says:
A loser for Jesus! What a deal!
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
Humans ate meat up until agriculture was invented.
Mr. Incredible says:
Speculation.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
The Bible is completely backwards about this.
Mr. Incredible says:
Of course, the Word of God is not backwards about it. The only one who is backwards is you.
Mr. Incredible says:
Their kinds were made in six days. Templates.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
There is no such thing as “kinds.”
Mr. Incredible says:
There are, but, as I’ve explained and shown, you have no perception of it.
Mr. Incredible says:
… Man/and a man was created. Not “humans.”
Boris says: What’s the difference?
Mr. Incredible says:
You don’t know, and you won’t accept any explanation of it, as you’ve demonstrated.
Mr. Incredible says:
Absolutely true.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
Prove it. ROFL!
Mr. Incredible says:
Already been done.
Mr. Incredible says:
God says that He made Man Special Creation. Separate from the animals.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
Humans are classified as a species of ape.
Mr. Incredible says:
That would apply to YOU. Now, what about the rest of us?
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
We are animals.
Mr. Incredible says:
God made Man separate from the animals. The human creature is not an animal. God did not make Covenant with the animals.
Mr. Incredible says:
It’s not conclusive. Only speculation.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
Science relies on facts, not speculation.
Mr. Incredible says:
TRUE Science does. The “science” YOU’VE presented does not.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
Bible believers have fought against, lied about and denied EVERY scientific discovery and theory ever made ever since the Bible has existed even the ones made by other Christians.
Mr. Incredible says:
They have not. It is the Catholic Church which first developed modern Science.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
Your science bashing is a long established Christian tradition that has accomplished exactly nothing.
Mr. Incredible says:
None that YOU will except anyway.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
When have scientists ever had to revise one of their theories in the face of the never-ending, centuries long denials and complaints from Bible believers?
Mr. Incredible says:
As anthropological discoveries have been made and prove the facts of the Word of God.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
The major blunders and flaws in the Bible are NOT irrelevant.
Mr. Incredible says:
What you call the “major blunders and flaws in the Bible” are actually all in your head.
Mr. Incredible says:
Irrelevant. This was during times of the beginning of Creation. You are trying to impose what you see today on what was then. Major mistake.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
Not according to your enemy, science.
Mr. Incredible says:
My enemy is the “science” YOU present. It is a false science, straight from the pit of Hell.
Mr. Incredible says:
Evidence has been presented in many programs.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
Okay, present the evidence for the existence of giants right here. ROFL!
Mr. Incredible says:
What’s the point of presenting evidence to somebody — YOU — who rejects it before it’s presented?
Mr. Incredible says:
Except the knowledge God gave him.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
The ark as it is described in the Bible would not have survived a rainstorm let alone a major flood.
Mr. Incredible says:
And, yet, it did!
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
Christians must always invoke God’s magical boogy powers to explain the impossible.
Mr. Incredible says:
To men, what God does is impossible. To those who are born again, everything He does is possible.
Mr. Incredible says:
God gave him all the knowledge and understanding he needed.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
It’s magic!
Mr. Incredible says:
That’s God!
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
That’s just not good enough Incredible.
Mr. Incredible says:
That’s just too bad.
It’s good enough for God. It’s good enough for me.
Mr. Incredible says:
You don’t have to believe it. And you don’t. So what? It still happened.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
No…
Mr. Incredible says:
Yes.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
…your flood did not happen.
Mr. Incredible says:
Of course, it did.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
It’s a myth.
Mr. Incredible says:
No, it’s not. The on-scene eyewitnesses say it’s a fact.
Mr. Incredible says:
God is great, isn’t he. He provided for Noah.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
Magical answers are the same as NO answers.
Mr. Incredible says:
Then stop trying to give us magical answers.
Mr. Incredible says:
God found a way for him. Isn’t He wonderful.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
“God did it” is not an explanation.
Mr. Incredible says:
Yes, it is. It’s not good enough for YOU. So what?
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
It proves you don’t have an explanation.
Mr. Incredible says:
It proves that I don’t have an explanation that’s suitable for YOU. But so what?
Mr. Incredible says:
God did some of the work. Noah didn’t have to know everything.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
Noah never existed.
Mr. Incredible says:
Yes, he did. It’s not important that you think he didn’t.
Mr. Incredible says:
God told him.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
The rest of your retarded answers all rely on magical explanations.
Mr. Incredible says:
So, you would know that you preclude yourself from accepting anything we say. We have understood this all along.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
The time you wasted trying to answer all the problems in the Bible proves just how desperate and frightened you really are.
Mr. Incredible says:
You don’t know how easy it is for me to write and to post here and everywhere. You really don’t know how easy it is. Of course, I’m not going to tell you. But you really don’t know how easy it is.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
It must be devastating to your evil childlike mind…
Mr. Incredible says:
Except that I’m not the one who relies on a website straight from the pit of Hell for my answers.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
… to know that this is the last generation of Christians…
Mr. Incredible says:
Irrelevant.
Christianity is not a club. It is for others’ Salvation that Christianity exists. There is no membership campaign. We’re not sad because we lose members. We have compassion for others — that is, we are saddened for those who will die without Christ.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
…and that your religion has all but ceased to exist.
Mr. Incredible says:
We don’t have “religion.” We have a relationship with the Father, through Christ. Nothing can make that relationship cease to exist. Nothing, ever, will separate us from the love of God. Nothing.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
Go into any church. Are Joel Osteen and all the other popular preachers preaching Christianity? No, Christianity has been replaced by a new age religion in which Jesus is no longer the central figure.
Mr. Incredible says:
You’re talking about “liberal Christianity.” Now THAT is a false “religion.”
Christianity without Jesus is not Christianity.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
Everything evolves and eventually becomes extinct.
Mr. Incredible says: Hopefully, you, too.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
Christianity is nothing but a rotting stinking corpse.
Mr. Incredible says:
The Devil think so, too. But so what?
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
And you Mr. Incredible are also nothing.
Mr. Incredible says:
I am EVERYTHING in Christ!
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
You are as insignificant as anything could possibly be.
Mr. Incredible says:
Romans 8:1 [KJV]
My significant comes in Christ!
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
And you KNOW it too.
Mr. Incredible says:
Know what? That I am EVERYTHING and SIGNIFICANT in Christ? Yes, that’s what I said.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
Thanks for the laughs stupid
Mr. Incredible says:
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posted March 8, 2010 at 8:44 am


Sixpacks-of-48s-Swiggin’ Boris says:
The time you wasted trying to answer…
Mr. Incredible says:
I can post more and faster than you, and in more places, too. It takes me far less time to post than it takes you. Additionally, I do it for the Lord, and, so, it’s easy.
Sixpacks-of-48s-Swiggin’ Boris says:
…all the problems in the Bible…
Mr. Incredible says:
Oh, that was easy, too. The same old criticisms deserve the same answers that have been given bazillions of times. Utter refutation. Face it, your works have been defeated.
Sixpacks-of-48s-Swiggin’ Boris says:
…proves just how desperate…
Mr. Incredible says:
“Desperate”??? Nah. You give me the chance to preach and teach the Word, plus the extra added benefit of showing what a goofball you are.
Sixpacks-of-48s-Swiggin’ Boris says:
…and frightened you really are.
Mr. Incredible says:
I have no fear. God didn’t give me a spirit of fear. And YOU certainly instill no fear in anybody. Again, your works have been completely defeated.



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posted March 8, 2010 at 8:47 am


“Leave-the-bottle” Boris says:
It must be devastating to your evil childlike mind…
Mr. Incredible asks:
Is THAT what you tell your 5-finger “girlfriend”?



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posted March 8, 2010 at 8:51 am


“Spirits-in-a-bottle” Boris says:
From science, we know that the true order of events was just the opposite.
Mr. Incredible says:
So, somebody told you that, and you have faith that it’s true even though you didn’t experience it. We understand.



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posted March 8, 2010 at 9:53 am


“Blitzed” Boris asserts:
The Genesis 1 creation account conflicts with the order of events that are known to science. In Genesis the earth is created before light and stars, birds and whales before reptiles and insects, and flowering plants before any animals.
Mr. Incredible has to correct Boris’ booze-breath assertions by saying:
Everyone notices that Boris’ drunken display above is WITHOUT reference to any, particular verses. That is purposeful, even in the daze he’s in; he wants — as far as anyone in a beer cloud as he is — you to believe that HIS reference is THE reference, though it isn’t.
Chemically-inconvenienced, he is taking Genesis 1:1 to mean that God created the Heavens and the Earth first, THEN the Earth was without form, and so on.
Given the destruction of his mind, thanks to visits to street pharmmies and liquor stores far and wide — asssuming for a thousandth of a second that his mind had been normal at one time, then, just as fast, rejecting such a preposterous idea — he doesn’t get it that Genesis 1:1 is a grand summary of Creation, that God’s move to create began in :2. This bonehead, interpretational mistake, like others, is committed by scoffers everywhere cuz they just don’t get it, and can’t get it [1 Corinthians 2:14].



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posted March 9, 2010 at 12:54 am


Mr. Incredible,
Boris says: Thanks for dancing like a puppet on a string for me. I told you I could push you right over the edge whenever I wanted to. I didn’t realize you’d just dance for hours for me and then jump right off for me too. Thanks. Now don’t tell me my posts don’t drive you insane. You just wasted I don’t know how much time in a futile effort to refute my last post. Your response is a classic example of religious babbling, brainwashing, gibberish and nonsense. I would like to point a few things out though, you know for the audience’s entertainment. I couldn’t care less what you think about what I post. You don’t have to respond. But you can’t help it because you let me take control of you on this blog again. I’m in control now, not your imaginary deity. Don’t respond and prove me wrong.
Mr. Incredible says:
They are not known to Science cuz nobody but God and His Son were there to witness it.
Boris says: Okay, then who wrote about them witnessing it?
Mr. Incredible says:
Except that the murderer was there, and what he left behind witnesses against him. In other words, the murderer testifies against himself. HE is the witness.
Boris says: The point is that because of advancing science this testimony against the murderer from himself is possible. Before finger printing, the discovery of DNA, modern forensic science, videotape and other scientific advances this evidence was not possible to gather and many murderers went unsolved. So today, because of advancing science, we have better more plausible explanations for things than the ones in the Bible. So naturally you hate and fear science as Bible believers have always done and always will do until they are extinct in about 5 or 6 years.
Mr. Incredible says:
The Father and His Son of the First and Second Persons of God. God created. Both the Father and the Son were there. The Word of God is the Testimony of the Creation Event. You don’t have to believe it.
Boris says: You don’t either. But you’re AFRAID not to.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
Where are your eyewitnesses?
Mr. Incredible:
I’ve shown Them to you. Too bad that you’re so blind that you can’t see.
Boris says: You need to learn the difference between hearsay and eyewitnesses. Your “eyewitness” testimonies would not hold up in a court of law but would be tossed out as what they are: hearsay. Understand now? I didn’t think so. Only religious nonsense penetrates your skull.
Mr. Incredible says:
As anyone with at least one, working eye and at least one cell of brain can read, my presentation squares with the Word of God. Yours is the presentation of a false witness the Word of God warns us about.
Boris says: Just saying my presentation is false is not good enough. You have to say exactly WHY my presentation is false. Because you were “warned” just won’t do. I don’t think I’ve ever encountered weaker, less thought through arguments than yours.
Mr. Incredible says:
Name one scientist who was witness to the Creation event and who says that God’s version of that event is not accurate.
Boris says: Name one theologian who was witness to the Creation event and who says that God’s version of that event is accurate. Do you EVER think how easily your arguments might be used against you? Do you ever think? At all? Ever?
Mr. Incredible says:
From whose perspective? Is the universe expanding from Earth, the center of the universe? Or does it just appear to be expanding “away” from the Earth? So, in which direction is expanding?
Boris says: So you believe the earth is the center of the universe and is orbited by the sun the way the Bible says it is right? I have news for you. The universe doesn’t have a center and the Christians at Fixedearth.com, The Association for Biblical Astronomy, The Flat Earth Society, The Creation Museum, The Discovery Institute and all those other Bible based organizations are wrong. The earth is not stationary and it is not orbited by the sun and all the stars. The Bible is wrong about that proving that it is of human rather than divine origin.
We know that the things in the universe are moving, but EXPANDING?? How do you know, if you’re not at the point from which it is expanding???
Boris says: How do you know the universe isn’t expanding? Not only is the universe expanding, it’s expanding faster and faster all the time. You can call looking through a telescope speculation – just like the Catholic Church did a few hundred years ago. Nothing new.
Mr. Incredible says:
It stuff. No one knows whether it’s the Big Bang. It’s speculation.
Boris says: Scientists know a lot more than you think they do.
Mr. Incredible says:
Then, all the great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great multitudes through the Ages imagined God. And, yet, you can’t produce one, on-scene eyewitness to say that all of them didn’t see and don’t see what they said and say they saw and see. Not even one to refute all of them.
Boris says: Do you have a name of one of these witnesses? You have no witnesses, only fiction writers.
Mr. Incredible says:
No, it just explains why you don’t get any of it. You’ve precluded yourself from getting any of it.
Boris says: You’ve precluded yourself from accepting long-standing, well-established scientific explanations for just about everything. Once again one of your arguments turned on its head and used against you. This is what is going to happen when you don’t think before you say something.
Mr. Incredible says:
“Brainwashed” for Jesus! What a deal!
Boris says: Case closed.
Mr. Incredible says:
It’s not relevant to the spiritual journey. It happened the way it happened. It doesn’t matter how. The Word of God is not a Science outline.
Boris says: It’s hard to find a more exquisite example of a mind slammed shut due to religious brainwashing than that.
>Without a sun and moon no days could have existed.
Mr. Incredible says:
In YOUR world. The one YOU’VE made up.
Boris says: No, on the world I live on, Earth, days can only be measured by the sun and moon. There could be no days as we know them without them. Now in your fantasy world anything other people have brainwashed you to believe is possible would be possible. But that world never existed.
Mr. Incredible says:
YOUR Science.
Boris says: My science is taught at every CHRISTIAN college and university in the world that teaches science. Your pseudo-science, creation magic and Intelligent Design magic are taught nowhere on this planet, even in your own CHRISTIAN colleges and universities. ROFL. Bible believers have denied, lied about and fought against every single scientific discovery and theory ever made sine the Bible has existed, even the ones made by other Christians. So keep up the lies and denials. They make you look so incredibly retarded.
Mr. Incredible says:
God and His Son are completely reliable. You’ve shown yourself to be utterly unreliable.
Boris says: How do you know the people who wrote about them were reliable? You don’t, which shows you to be totally unreliable because of your incredible gullibility.
Mr. Incredible says:
And, yet, you believe things that were not observed. You also believe the things which you do not see and have not seen happened and existed and exist.
Mr. Incredible says:
A loser for Jesus! What a deal!
Boris says: He admits it.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
Humans ate meat up until agriculture was invented.
Mr. Incredible says:
Speculation.
Boris says: That’s right. Belittle science and scientists as Bible thumpers have always done. Science marches on while Christians have to keep moving the goalposts back and cringing at every new discovery about the natural world.
Mr. Incredible says:
Of course, the Word of God is not backwards about it. The only one who is backwards is you.
Boris says: How come everyone on this blog, everyone you meet, everyone you know thinks YOU’RE so backwards then? ROFL!
> There is no such thing as “kinds.”
Mr. Incredible says: There are, but, as I’ve explained and shown, you have no perception of it.
Boris says: No, science has no perception of the word “kinds.” The belief that life forms cannot evolve beyond their “kind” is based directly and solely upon the Book of Genesis, which uses the term “kind” in the story of Creation. The scientifically recognized method of taxonomical classification is the familiar Linnean system: kingdom, phylum, class, order, family, genus and species. Each step of the Linnean ladder represents a meaningful, clearly defined differentiation among anatonomical structures. The notion of “kind” is a biblical doctrine and represents no legitimate scientific distinction among life forms.
Mr. Incredible says:
That would apply to YOU. Now, what about the rest of us?
Boris says: It applies to all of us. Except Bible believers of course. Your species, known as Creationopithicus Alabamas is descended from our common ancestors with the apes and is an especially much less evolved primitive species.
Mr. Incredible says:
TRUE Science does. The “science” YOU’VE presented does not.
Boris says: The science I’ve presented is the same science Bible thumpers just like you have been denying, lying about and fighting against ever since the Bible was voted to be the Bible by gay pedophiles wearing dresses.
Mr. Incredible says:
They have not. It is the Catholic Church which first developed modern Science.
Boris says: How, by hiding the findings of Copernicus, arresting Galileo and burning Bruno at the stake? The Christian Church has been persecuting scientists ever since it has existed. You are SUCH a liar. By the way Protestants have been even worse. No Protestant denomination accepted the findings of Galileo and Copernicus until 1835 over 200 years AFTER their discoveries were made. You still don’t accept their findings.
Mr. Incredible says:
As anthropological discoveries have been made and prove the facts of the Word of God.
Boris says: Sure they do. Name just one. ROFL!
Mr. Incredible says:
What you call the “major blunders and flaws in the Bible” are actually all in your head.
Boris says: No they’re in the text and you’ve proven you cannot reconcile them. Pretty humiliating to let an atheist point out all the problems in the Bible you didn’t know about isn’t it?
Mr. Incredible says:
Irrelevant. This was during times of the beginning of Creation. You are trying to impose what you see today on what was then. Major mistake.
Boris says: You’re trying to impose what other people told you about the past on the real world. Not happening.
Mr. Incredible says:
My enemy is the “science” YOU present. It is a false science, straight from the pit of Hell.
Boris says: Sounds just like the Catholic Church a few centuries ago. You Bible thumpers never change and never learn you can’t defeat science.
Mr. Incredible says:
What’s the point of presenting evidence to somebody — YOU — who rejects it before it’s presented?
Boris says: Somehow I knew you would not even try to present evidence for giants. It’s easier to just take your usual cowardly way out rather than take another intellectual smack down from the atheist isn’t it chicken? Buk, buk buk buk… hahaha
Mr. Incredible says:
To men, what God does is impossible. To those who are born again, everything He does is possible.
Boris says: Correction. To those who have let OTHER PEOPLE brainwash them into believing they are born again, everything God does is possible.
That’s God!
Boris says: Right. God is magic. And magic is fake, slight of hand, deception. Thanks for admitting that. How do you type with your foot in your mouth?
Mr. Incredible says:
So, you would know that you preclude yourself from accepting anything we say. We have understood this all along.
Boris says: There’s no “we” here. There’s just you and everyone else on this blog thinks you’re a blowhard and a moron. Except for Cara who, like you, doesn’t think at all.
Mr. Incredible says:
You don’t know how easy it is for me to write and to post here and everywhere. You really don’t know how easy it is. Of course, I’m not going to tell you. But you really don’t know how easy it is.
Boris says: Well of course because everyone can see you don’t think about what you say. That’s why it’s so easy to refute all your nonsense. But I’ve cause you to waste at least 4 hours in a desperate attempt to refute my posts. Again, thanks for dancing like a puppet on a string for me. Amazing how easily OTHER PEOPLE, even me can control you.
Mr. Incredible says:
I can post more and faster than you, and in more places, too. It takes me far less time to post than it takes you. Additionally, I do it for the Lord, and, so, it’s easy.
Boris says: People like you make other Christians into atheists with all your lies and nonsense.
Mr. Incredible says:
Oh, that was easy, too. The same old criticisms deserve the same answers that have been given bazillions of times. Utter refutation. Face it, your works have been defeated.
Boris says: Sure. Then why does almost no one believe the Bible anymore? Because it’s been debunked and so have all the lies about it too.
Chemically-inconvenienced, he is taking Genesis 1:1 to mean that God created the Heavens and the Earth first, THEN the Earth was without form, and so on.
Boris says: I don’t drink. I think you should start drinking heavily though so you’ll have an excuse for the religious stupor OTHER PEOPLE have put you in. I can read Genesis in Hebrew, Greek and English. Obviously you can’t read any of these languages. The Bible says, “Now the earth she was formless and empty…” In the Hebrew the earth is referred to as a female deity. Something your pastor would rather you didn’t know. They would rather no one else knows this either. Oops. ROFL!
Given the destruction of his mind, thanks to visits to street pharmmies and liquor stores far and wide — asssuming for a thousandth of a second that his mind had been normal at one time, then, just as fast, rejecting such a preposterous idea — he doesn’t get it that Genesis 1:1 is a grand summary of Creation, that God’s move to create began in :2. This bonehead, interpretational mistake, like others, is committed by scoffers everywhere cuz they just don’t get it, and can’t get it [1 Corinthians 2:14].
Boris says: When you’ve paid your dues and learned something about the Bible in a real college, university or seminary then you’ll be qualified to speak about it. Until then you’re just another fundamentalist blowhard.



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posted March 9, 2010 at 5:06 pm


What was that, the itellectual elite are Democrats always?
elite- A group or class of persons or a member of such a group or class, enjoying superior intellectual, social, or economical status.
intellectual- Of or relating to the intellect.
intellect- The ability to learn and reason; the capacity for knowledge and understanding.
Democrats- An advocate of democracy.
democracy- Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.
Republican- Of, relating to, or characteristic of a republic. Favoring a republic as the best form of government.
republic- A political order not headed by a monarch and in modern times led usu. by a president. —————————————————————– C



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posted March 9, 2010 at 5:20 pm


So I am in America and I don’t favor having a president over a monarch. I am against the choice of abortion, Embryonic Stem-Cell and all attributed choices which involve murdering people who can not defend themselves. I do believe in letting the voice of the people count in goverment by votes.
C
Genesis 1: 1
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
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The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
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Then God said,” Let there be light”; and there was light.
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And God saw the light, that it ws good; and God divided the light from the darkness.
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God called the light Day, and the darkness He called night. So the evening and the morning wre the first day.



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posted March 9, 2010 at 5:24 pm


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p.s. If you want to look for when the plants and amimals came into being, you can read it for yourself in Genesis.



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Boris

posted March 10, 2010 at 10:49 am


Cara,
The Bible cannot tell us where anything came from. The Bible is 100 percent fiction. Science is the only thing that can tell us the truth about where things came from. Christianity is all lies.



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Your Name

posted March 10, 2010 at 3:18 pm


The Bible is true and nothing in in can be refuted by anyone.
C



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Razor

posted March 10, 2010 at 5:35 pm


Boris:
If the universe came from cell division, as science claims, please inform me where the first cell came from. Science cannot explain this or for that matter when the beginning was. Believe in the bible or not it would seem to point to some divine presence. About health care reform. I cannot go along with a health care bill that sets up a cast system for how you are taxed. If you work for the government or a labor union you get taxed at a much later date than if you do not for your cadillac health care. I cannot help but feel that this alone will be justification enough for a lawsuit against the government for not treating all equal.



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HG

posted March 10, 2010 at 8:40 pm


“The Bible is true and nothing in in can be refuted by anyone.
C”
‘You are travelling in another dimension’…too doo doo doo. I love this show, it stretches the boundaries of imagination, but that should read- “everything” in it can be refuted by anyone!
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“If the universe came from cell division, as science claims, please inform me where the first cell came from.” Razor
First, I hope Boris replies, because I really want to see it!
However, I’ll point out that science doesn’t postulate that the universe came from cell division; the Big Bang is still among the dominant hypotheses.
If you’re looking for abiogenesis info, a quick presentation on YouTube shows a very workable possibility.



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posted March 10, 2010 at 11:23 pm


HG,
Remember now, refuting is to prove false. None of your blogs can prove any verse in the Bible is false.
1 John 2: 22
Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.
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Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
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Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father.
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And this is the promise that He has promised us-eternal life.
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These things I have written to you concerning those who try to deceive you.
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But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and yo do not need that anyone teach you ; but as the same anointing teches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.
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And now, little children, abide in Him, that when He appears, we may
have confidence and not be ashamed before Him at His coming.



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posted March 10, 2010 at 11:25 pm


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HG

posted March 11, 2010 at 11:07 am


Refute, 2. rebut by argument
i can certainly rebut the argument that any biblical event ever occurred. Even under definition one, I can prove it is false to my own satisfaction, so that works too!



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Mr. Incredible

posted March 11, 2010 at 11:46 am


“Beavis Boris says:
The Bible cannot tell us where anything came from.
Mr. Incredible says:
And, yet, He does!
“Beavis” Boris says:
The Bible is 100 percent fiction.
Mr. Incredible says:
Except he isn’t, and that you have yet to show that He is.
“Beavis” Boris says:
Science is the only thing that can tell us the truth…
Mr. Incrfedible says:
Whose “truth”?
“Beavis” Boris says:
…about where things came from.
Mr. Incredible says:
You say that you came from the ape. We agree. But we didn’t.
“Beavis” Boris says:
Christianity is all lies.
Mr. Incredible says:
The Devil says that, too. Why do you listen so much to the Devil?



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Mr. Incredible

posted March 11, 2010 at 1:53 pm


Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
Thanks for dancing like a puppet on a string for me.
Mr. Incredible says:
I haven’t yet. The stuff you’re getting from your street pharmie is messin’ you up.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
I told you I could push you right over the edge whenever I wanted to.
Mr. Incredible says:
Yes, you told me. And you have yet even to touch me. We’re still waiting.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
I didn’t realize you’d just dance for hours for me…
Mr. Incredible says:
It takes me literally a few minutes to post, as the most recent long ones.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
… and then jump right off for me too.
Mr. Incredible says:
Well, I’m still here.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
Thanks.
Mr. Incredible says:
For what? Standing in the way of your dreams. It’s the least I can do.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
Now don’t tell me my posts don’t drive you insane.
Mr. Incredible says:
Okay. Your posts don’t drive me insane.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
You just wasted I don’t know how much time in a futile effort to refute my last post.
Mr. Incredible says:
Again, you REALLY don’t know how easy it is for me to post even the longest post. It takes me literally only a few minutes each time.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
Your response is a classic example of religious babbling, brainwashing, gibberish and nonsense.
Mr. Incredible says:
Y’know, the Devil tells me that, too. I don’t listen to him, either.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
I couldn’t care less what you think about what I post.
Mr. Incredible says:
It doesn’t matter.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
You don’t have to respond.
Mr. Incredible says:
But it’s so much fun and it’s easy, too.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
But you can’t help it…
Mr. Incredible says:
I can’t help having so much fun at YOUR expense.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
…because you let me take control of you on this blog again.
Mr. Incredible says:
The Lord is my Shepherd, not you.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
I’m in control now…
Mr. Incredible says:
Not of me, you aren’t. You can’t even control yourself. Your street pharmie has control of you.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
… not your imaginary deity.
Mr. Incredible says:
What “imaginary deity”? I don’t have an “imaginary deity.”
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
Don’t respond and prove me wrong.
Mr. Incredible says:
Nice try. However, cuz you respond to me, I have control YOU.
Mr. Incredible says:
They are not known to Science cuz nobody but God and His Son were there to witness it.
Boris says: Okay, then who wrote about them witnessing it?
Mr. Incredible says:
Moses took God’s dictation.
Mr. Incredible says:
Except that the murderer was there, and what he left behind witnesses against him. In other words, the murderer testifies against himself. HE is the witness.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
…naturally you hate and fear science…
Mr. Incredible says:
Of course, we don’t. It is the Church that established modern Science.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
…as Bible believers have always done and always will do…
Mr. Incredible says:
They happened and never will.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
… until they are extinct in about 5 or 6 years.
Mr. Incredible says:
They will never be extinct.
Mr. Incredible says:
The Father and His Son of the First and Second Persons of God. God created. Both the Father and the Son were there. The Word of God is the Testimony of the Creation Event. You don’t have to believe it.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
You don’t either.
Mr. Incredible says:
Yes, I do.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
But you’re AFRAID not to.
Mr. Incredible says:
God didn’t give me the spirit of fear. So, I’m not afraid.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
Where are your eyewitnesses?
Mr. Incredible says:
I’ve shown Them to you. Too bad that you’re so blind that you can’t see.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
You need to learn the difference between hearsay and eyewitnesses.
Mr. Incredible says:
I have no such need since I already know.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
Your “eyewitness” testimonies would not hold up in a court of law…
Mr. Incredible says:
Irrelevant. A lotta what goes on outside the courtroom would not hold up INSIDE the courtroom. What you say about the abilities of Science, vis-à-vis evolution, for example, would not hold up in a court of law.
Mr. Incredible says:
As anyone with at least one, working eye and at least one cell of brain can read, my presentation squares with the Word of God. Yours is the presentation of a false witness the Word of God warns us about.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
Just saying my presentation is false is not good enough.
Mr. Incredible says:
I have not only said that your presentation is false; I have demonstrated that what you say is false. It’s not important to me that you reject it.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
You have to say exactly WHY my presentation is false.
Mr. Incredible says:
I already have. You rejected the explanations. You rejected them before you asked for explanations. You reject proof before the proof is given. You preclude yourself from anything that doesn’t agree with your wild imaginations and guesses.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
I don’t think I’ve ever encountered weaker, less thought through arguments than yours.
Mr. Incredible says:
Then, why spend so much time answering me? If they are weaker and of inferior thought, what’s your worry? If they are weaker and of inferior thought, they won’t go anywhere. You must feel threatened by my posts.
Mr. Incredible says:
Name one scientist who was witness to the Creation event and who says that God’s version of that event is not accurate.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
Name one theologian who was witness to the Creation event and who says that God’s version of that event is accurate.
Mr. Incredible says:
God’s Son was there.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
Do you EVER think how easily your arguments might be used against you?
Mr. Incredible says:
You haven’t done so yet.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
Do you ever think?
Mr. Incredible says:
Yes.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
At all?
Mr. Incredible says:
Yes.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
Ever?
Mr. Incredible says:
Yes.
Mr. Incredible says:
From whose perspective? Is the universe expanding from Earth, the center of the universe? Or does it just appear to be expanding “away” from the Earth? So, in which direction is expanding?
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
So you believe the earth is the center of the universe and is orbited by the sun the way the Bible says it is right?
Mr. Incredible says:
That’s not an answer to the questions.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
The universe doesn’t have a center…
Mr. Incredible says:
That’s news to Science.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
The earth is not stationary…
Mr. Incredible says:
No one says it is.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
…and it is not orbited by the sun and all the stars.
Mr. Incredible says:
No one says it is.
So, when are you gonna answer my questions?
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
The Bible is wrong about that proving that it is of human rather than divine origin.
Mr. Incredible says:
Yes, we know that the Word of God is of Divine origin.
Mr. Incredible says:
We know that the things in the universe are moving, but EXPANDING?? How do you know, if you’re not at the point from which it is expanding???
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
How do you know the universe isn’t expanding?
Mr. Incredible says:
How can I prove the universe is expanding; you can’t even prove it is!
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
Not only is the universe expanding…
Mr. Incredible asks:
From whose perspective?
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
… it’s expanding…
Mr. Incredible asks:
From whose perspective?
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
…faster and faster all the time.
Mr. Incredible asks:
From whose perspective?
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
You can call looking through a telescope speculation…
Mr. Incredible says:
So, according to YOU, universe is expanding from the perspective of the person looking through a telescope.
On what planet?
Mr. Incredible says:
It stuff. No one knows whether it’s the Big Bang. It’s speculation.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
Scientists know a lot more than you think they do.
Mr. Incredible says:
Scientists know far less than they want us to think. Too many of them engage in speculation.
Mr. Incredible says:
Then, all the great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great multitudes through the Ages imagined God. And, yet, you can’t produce one, on-scene eyewitness to say that all of them didn’t see and don’t see what they said and say they saw and see. Not even one to refute all of them.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
Do you have a name of one of these witnesses?
Mr. Incredible says:
Irrelevant. The ones who heard the on-scene, eyewitness testimony and wrote it down saw and heard their testimony. They didn’t take down all the names. But so what?
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
You have no witnesses, only fiction writers.
Mr. Incredible says:
I have great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great multitudes through the Ages as witnesses.
Mr. Incredible says:
No, it just explains why you don’t get any of it. You’ve precluded yourself from getting any of it.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
You’ve precluded yourself from accepting long-standing, well-established scientific explanations for just about everything.
Mr. Incredible says:
No, I haven’t. I rejected speculation masquerading as Science.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
Once again one of your arguments turned on its head…
Mr. Incredible says:
Not yet.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
…and used against you.
Mr. Incredible says:
Not yet.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
This is what is going to happen when you don’t think before you say something.
Mr. Incredible asks:
What?? Something happened??
Mr. Incredible says:
“Brainwashed” for Jesus! What a deal!
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
Case closed.
Mr. Incredible says:
Against YOU.
Mr. Incredible says:
It’s not relevant to the spiritual journey. It happened the way it happened. It doesn’t matter how. The Word of God is not a Science outline.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
It’s hard to find a more exquisite example of a mind slammed shut due to religious brainwashing than that.
Mr. Incredible says:
That’s YOUR perspective. As usual, YOUR perspective is not of this planet.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
Without a sun and moon no days could have existed.
Mr. Incredible says:
In YOUR world. The one YOU’VE made up.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
No, on the world I live on, Earth…
Mr. Incredible says:
Yes, the one YOU’VE made up.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
There could be no days as we know them without them.
Mr. Incredible says:
The key phrasing there, “as we know them.”
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
Now in your fantasy world anything other people have brainwashed you to believe…
Mr. Incredible says:
I’ve been washed by the Blood Sacrifice of Jesus! What a deal!
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
… is possible would be possible. But that world never existed.
Mr. Incredible says:
For YOU, anyway.
Mr. Incredible says:
YOUR Science.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
My science is taught at every CHRISTIAN college and university in the world that teaches science.
Mr. Incredible says:
Except that YOUR anti-God “science,” the anti-God “science” you display here, is balanced out by REAL Science.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
Your pseudo-science, creation magic and Intelligent Design magic are taught nowhere on this planet, even in your own CHRISTIAN colleges and universities.
Mr. Incredible says:
Actually, Creationism and Intelligent Design ARE taught.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
Bible believers have denied, lied about and fought against every single scientific discovery and theory ever made sine [sic] the Bible has existed, even the ones made by other Christians.
Mr. Incredible says:
No, they haven’t. That’s just another one of your goofball lies.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
So keep up the lies…
Mr. Incredible says:
I cannot lie in Christ.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
… and denials.
Mr. Incredible asks:
About what?
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
They make you look so incredibly retarded.
Mr. Incredible says:
Romans 8:1 [KJV]
Mr. Incredible says:
God and His Son are completely reliable. You’ve shown yourself to be utterly unreliable.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
How do you know the people who wrote about them were reliable?
Mr. Incredible says:
Cuz they, themselves, relied on God.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
You don’t…
Mr. Incredible says:
Yes, I do. YOU don’t.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
… which shows you to be totally unreliable because of your incredible gullibility.
Mr. Incredible says:
I’m unreliable to YOU. But so what? That’s cuz you have precluded yourself from my reliability. I can’t help that. It’s YOUR problem, not mine. I’m sure you can find a doctor help you with that.
Mr. Incredible says:
And, yet, you believe things that were not observed. You also believe the things which you do not see and have not seen happened and existed and exist.
Mr. Incredible says:
A loser for Jesus! What a deal!
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
He admits it.
Mr. Incredible says:
1 Corinthians 2:14
You can’t possibly understand what I wrote.
“The-bottle-not-the-can” Boris:
Humans ate meat up until agriculture was invented.
Mr. Incredible says:
Speculation.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
That’s right.
Mr. Incredible says:
I’m glad to see you finally admit that I am correct.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
Belittle science and scientists…
Mr. Incredible says:
I belittle speculation and agenda science.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
… as Bible thumpers have always done.
Mr. Incredible says:
They have belittled speculation and agenda science.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
Science marches on while Christians have to keep moving the goalposts back and cringing at every new discovery about the natural world.
Mr. Incredible says:
Of course, that’s not an accurate description. Except that is an accurate description of the confusion inside your head.
Mr. Incredible says:
Of course, the Word of God is not backwards about it. The only one who is backwards is you.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
How come everyone on this blog, everyone you meet, everyone you know thinks YOU’RE so backwards then?
Mr. Incredible says:
I don’t care.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
There is no such thing as “kinds.”
Mr. Incredible says:
There are, but, as I’ve explained and shown, you have no perception of it.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
No…
Mr. Incredible says:
Yes.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
…science has no perception of the word “kinds.”
Mr. Incredible says:
God does. Scoffers don’t get it. But so what?
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
The belief that life forms cannot evolve beyond their “kind” is based directly and solely upon the Book of Genesis, which uses the term “kind” in the story of Creation.
Mr. Incredible says:
One basic form cannot evolve into another basic form.
The Word of God doesn’t pretend to be a Science text. The Word of God doesn’t exist in order to teach Science.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
The notion of “kind” is a biblical doctrine and represents no legitimate scientific distinction among life forms.
Mr. Incredible says:
However, it gets the biological idea across. That’s all that’s important.
Biblical text was written for an unscientific people.
Mr. Incredible says:
That would apply to YOU. Now, what about the rest of us?
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
It applies to all of us.
Mr. Incredible says:
It applies to YOU.
Mr. Incredible says:
TRUE Science does. The “science” YOU’VE presented does not.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
The science I’ve presented is the same science Bible thumpers just like you have been denying, lying about and fighting against ever since the Bible was voted to be the Bible by gay pedophiles wearing dresses.
Mr. Incredible says:
It’s correct to say that we’ve been denying and fighting against speculation masquerading as “Science.”
Mr. Incredible says:
They have not. It is the Catholic Church which first developed modern Science.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
How, by hiding the findings of Copernicus, arresting Galileo and burning Bruno at the stake?
Mr. Incredible says:
Two glittering examples outta the whole history of the Earth.
The fact is that the Church developed modern Science.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
The Christian Church has been persecuting scientists ever since it has existed.
Mr. Incredible says:
Phony science. The kind YOU are peddling here.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
You are SUCH a liar.
Mr. Incredible says:
You’d like to think so. Another one of your vivid imaginations.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
By the way Protestants have been even worse. No Protestant denomination accepted the findings of Galileo and Copernicus until 1835 over 200 years AFTER their discoveries were made. You still don’t accept their findings.
Mr. Incredible says:
I don’t care about denominations.
Mr. Incredible says:
As anthropological discoveries have been made and prove the facts of the Word of God.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
Sure they do. Name just one. ROFL!
Mr. Incredible says:
Not at all worth my while, since you have precluded yourself from accepting anything we say.
Mr. Incredible says:
What you call the “major blunders and flaws in the Bible” are actually all in your head.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
No…
Mr. Incredible says:
Yes.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
…they’re in the text…
Mr. Incredible says:
No, they are not. You are utterly incapable of understanding the words as they are intended.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
…and you’ve proven you cannot reconcile them.
Mr. Incredible says:
I have, at length. It’s just that you don’t accept it. That’s not my problem.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
Pretty humiliating…
Mr. Incredible says:
I’m not humiliated. Especially by YOU.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
…to let an atheist point out all the problems in the Bible…
Mr. Incredible says:
Translation: “… to let an atheist point out all the problems in his own head…”
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
… you didn’t know about isn’t it?
Mr. Incredible says:
You don’t know that they are problems in your own head, not in the Word of God, cuz you try to project them onto the world; and, so, you think those problems are, somehow, objective, when they are not. There are doctors for their condition. I suggest you seek one fast.
Mr. Incredible says:
Irrelevant. This was during times of the beginning of Creation. You are trying to impose what you see today on what was then. Major mistake.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
You’re trying to impose what other people told you…
Mr. Incredible says:
Yes, God told me. He’s reliable. You’re not.
Mr. Incredible says:
My enemy is the “science” YOU present. It is a false science, straight from the pit of Hell.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
Sounds just like the Catholic Church a few centuries ago.
Mr. Incredible says:
Know, we’ve come to know what speculation is, that it can masquerade as “Science.” You present the masquerade.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
You Bible thumpers never change…
Mr. Incredible says:
We change for God, through His Son, not you.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
…and never learn you can’t defeat science.
Mr. Incredible says:
We’re not trying to defeat Science, rather the speculation YOU peddle here.
Mr. Incredible says:
What’s the point of presenting evidence to somebody — YOU — who rejects it before it’s presented?
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
Somehow I knew you would not even try to present evidence for giants.
Mr. Incredible says:
You’ve shown that you won’t accept the evidence anyway. You have precluded yourself from accepting any evidence from us. It’s just a Sisyphean Errand.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
It’s easier to just take your usual cowardly way out…
Mr. Incredible says:
No, it’s just a cost-benefit analysis that says that it’s not worth the trouble to try to persuade somebody who has precluded himself from considering the evidence anyway.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
… rather than take another intellectual smack down from the atheist…
Mr. Incredible says:
“Another”??? It hasn’t even been the first one.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
… isn’t it chicken? Buk, buk buk buk… hahaha
Mr. Incredible says:
Computer language is 1s and 0s. Your message is all 0s.
Mr. Incredible says:
To men, what God does is impossible. To those who are born again, everything He does is possible.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
Correction. To those who have let OTHER PEOPLE brainwash them into believing they are born again, everything God does is possible.
Mr. Incredible says:
To those who have let God, through the Blood Sacrifice of Christ, wash them, they are born again, and everything God does is possible to them.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
God is magic.
Mr. Incredible says:
No, magic is the Devil’s work, and Jesus defeated the works of the Devil.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
And magic is fake, slight of hand, deception.
Mr. Incredible says:
That’s what the Devil’s work is all about.
Mr. Incredible says:
So, you would know that you preclude yourself from accepting anything we say. We have understood this all along.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
There’s no “we” here.
Mr. Incredible says:
Yes, there is.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
There’s just you and everyone else on this blog thinks you’re a blowhard and a moron.
Mr. Incredible says:
I don’t care.
Romans 8:1 [KJV]
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
Except for Cara…
Mr. Incredible says:
When one is correct, one is enough.
However, I have Three Other Witnesses: God, Christ and the Holy Spirit.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
…who, like you, doesn’t think at all.
Mr. Incredible says:
Translation: “If you don’t think like me, you’re a blowhard and a moron.”
Mr. Incredible says:
You don’t know how easy it is for me to write and to post here and everywhere. You really don’t know how easy it is. Of course, I’m not going to tell you. But you really don’t know how easy it is.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
Well of course because everyone can see you don’t think about what you say.
Mr. Incredible says:
Translation: “if you don’t think like me and, therefore, what you post is an indication that you don’t think about what you write cuz I don’t accept what you write.”
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
That’s why it’s so easy to refute all your nonsense.
Mr. Incredible says:
That message is just the residue of the last crap you took onto these pages.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
But I’ve cause you to waste at least 4 hours in a desperate attempt to refute my posts.
Mr. Incredible says:
I spent nowhere near that amount of time. As I say, you really don’t know how easy it is.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
Again, thanks for dancing like a puppet on a string for me.
Mr. Incredible says:
I have yet to do so.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
Amazing how easily OTHER PEOPLE, even me can control you.
Mr. Incredible says:
I control you cuz you keep on replying. You must.
Mr. Incredible says:
I can post more and faster than you, and in more places, too. It takes me far less time to post than it takes you. Additionally, I do it for the Lord, and, so, it’s easy.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
People like you make other Christians into atheists with all your lies and nonsense.
Mr. Incredible says:
Then they weren’t Christians in the first place.
Mr. Incredible says:
Oh, that was easy, too. The same old criticisms deserve the same answers that have been given bazillions of times. Utter refutation. Face it, your works have been defeated.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
Then why does almost no one believe the Bible anymore?
Mr. Incredible says:
Which one?
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
Because it’s been debunked and so have all the lies about it too.
Mr. Incredible says:
Which one?
Mr. Incredible says:
Chemically-inconvenienced, he is taking Genesis 1:1 to mean that God created the Heavens and the Earth first, THEN the Earth was without form, and so on.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
I don’t drink.
Mr. Incredible says:
Uh-huh. Alcoholic denial. Typical.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
I think you should start drinking heavily though so you’ll have an excuse for the religious stupor OTHER PEOPLE have put you in.
Mr. Incredible says:
I’m high on God, through Christ. God and Christ have put the on this high.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
I can read Genesis in Hebrew, Greek and English.
Mr. Incredible says:
So, you purposely misrepresent Genesis. We see.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
Obviously you can’t read any of these languages.
Mr. Incredible says:
Irrelevant.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
The Bible says, “Now the earth she was formless and empty…” In the Hebrew the earth is referred to as a female deity.
Mr. Incredible says:
Irrelevant.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
Something your pastor would rather you didn’t know.
Mr. Incredible says:
That’s cuz it’s irrelevant.
Mr. Incredible says:
Given the destruction of his mind, thanks to visits to street pharmmies and liquor stores far and wide — asssuming for a thousandth of a second that his mind had been normal at one time, then, just as fast, rejecting such a preposterous idea — he doesn’t get it that Genesis 1:1 is a grand summary of Creation, that God’s move to create began in :2. This bonehead, interpretational mistake, like others, is committed by scoffers everywhere cuz they just don’t get it, and can’t get it [1 Corinthians 2:14].
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
When you’ve paid your dues and learned something about the Bible in a real college, university or seminary then you’ll be qualified to speak about it.
Mr. Incredible says:
Typical scoffer’s response.
Boris “the Beavis ‘the Butthead’ of Beliefnet” says:
Until then you’re just another fundamentalist blowhard.
Mr. Incredible says:
Jesus was a fundamentalist. I follow in His footsteps.
If I’m such a blowhard, then why are you acting as though I’m such a threat to you? Certainly, if what I post is nonsense, you would just let me go on and on without responding cuz, responding, you give me ample opportunity to get through to others. The only explanation is that I am a threat to you. Good.



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Mr. Incredible

posted March 11, 2010 at 2:06 pm


Bubblehead Boris says:
When you’ve paid your dues and learned something about the Bible in a real college, university or seminary then you’ll be qualified to speak about it.
Mr. Incredible says:
If that’s what you tell your 5-finger “boyfriend”?
I don’t have-ta be a scholar in order to understand that your presentation of events is outta whack.



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Mr. Incredible

posted March 11, 2010 at 2:08 pm


That should be “Bubbly-head.”



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Your Name

posted March 11, 2010 at 3:13 pm


Hg,
Isaiah 30: 1
“Woe to the rebellious children,” says the Lord,
“Who take counsel, but not of Me,
That they may ad sin to sin;
2
Who walk to go down to Egypt,
And have not asked My advice,
To strengthen themselves in the strength of Pharaoh,
And to trust in the shadow of Egypt!
3
Therefore the strength of Pharaoh
Shall be your shame,
And trust in the shadow of Egypt
Shall be your humiliation.
4
For his princes were at Zoan,
And his ambassadors came to Hanes.
5
They were all ashamed of a people who could
not benefit them,
Or be help or benefit,
But a shame and also a reproach.”



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Boris

posted March 11, 2010 at 9:16 pm


Incredible,
Everyone on this blog disagrees with you and thinks you’re moron, even the other Christians. So it is YOU who is the Butthead of this blog and you KNOW it. Do you se anyone arguing with me about anything? FYI the universe does not have a center. Now if creationism and Intelligent Design magic are taught somewhere why don’t you tell us all where that is? You won’t. Once again you’ll take the coward’s way out and claim it’s irrelevant or that no one would believe you anyway. You’re right. No one believes you because first of all you’ve been brainwashed and second of all you’re a liar, third, we all know you’re wrong because we’ve done more research on the Bible than you have but most importantly though you’re a COWARD. Anyone who could knuckle under to the threats of the Christian system of dogmatic superstitions the way you have is a life long, chicken scratch coward. The one trait all Christians share: cowardice. Oh yeah, thanks for wasting three hours for our entertainment again. ROFL! You’re time is obviously not worth much what with your minimum wage job right?



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Boris

posted March 11, 2010 at 9:22 pm


Cara,
You’ve been given several solid proofs that the Bible has lots of mistakes and discrepancies in it. These proofs refute your claims that the Bible is what you claim it is. It’s one thing not to agree with those rebuttals, but quite another to go on repeating the argument that the Bible is infallible as if no objections had been raised at all. Before you go one posting your stupid Bible verses you must first respond the proofs that your claims about the Bible are false. I mean really Cara, evolution and the Big Bang prove the Bible is wrong. Why do you think Bible thumpers have such a problem with these things? There’s a reason only the feeble minded believe the Bible.



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HG

posted March 12, 2010 at 3:33 am


Boris wrote: “…evolution and the Big Bang prove the Bible is wrong. Why do you think Bible thumpers have such a problem with these things? There’s a reason only the feeble minded believe the Bible.”
It only proves it if you possess the power of reason Boris, and we know that acceptance of “scripture” (etc.) is equivalent to denial of such power. I mean, raising the embalmed dead? Heh, ah, heh heh heh, that’s a good trick, Doc.
Yes, they’ve had a big problem with Darwin and the Big Bang for a long time (relative to me) now. The lines are drawn; those who will accept reason track answers as far as they lead, and those who refuse reason refute any explanation they deem to be in possible conflict with “the official story”. The trend is for people to follow reason, …”we” are evolving. The fastest growing segment of American society across all fifty states are those self-identified as having “no religious affiliation”. It is inevitable that Santa be understood, the Emperor revealed in all his glory; if we (humanoid Earthlings) exist for much longer, the only god beliefs taught in earnest will be in history classes.
For now, religion is a vestigial organ yet to be deleted, perhaps because it is a useful identifier of the feeble minded.



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Mr. Incredible

posted March 12, 2010 at 11:08 am


9th Circuit Court of Appeals: “‘Under God’ OK in Pledge”!!
YEAAAAAAA!



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Mr. Incredible

posted March 12, 2010 at 12:07 pm


“Polluted” Boris says:
Everyone on this blog disagrees with you…
Mr. Incredible says:
I don’t care.
“Polluted” Boris says:
… and thinks you’re moron…
Mr. Incredible says:
I don’t care.
“Polluted” Boris says:
…even the other Christians.
Mr. Incredible says:
I don’t care.
“Polluted” Boris says:
So it is YOU who is the Butthead of this blog and you KNOW it.
Mr. Incredible says:
I outscore you in every category, and you KNOW it.
“Polluted” Boris says:
Do you se anyone arguing with me about anything?
Mr. Incredible says:
I don’t care.
“Polluted” Boris says:
FYI the universe does not have a center.
Mr. Incredible says:
From whose perspective? It is expanding, as YOU say, it must be expanding from some point. That point is the center. You say you believe that’s the Earth cuz, as YOU say, to the observer on the Earth, everything is moving away. You’re a dummy, and you KNOW it.
“Polluted” Boris says:
Now if creationism and Intelligent Design magic…
Mr. Incredible says:
No such thing as “creationism and Intelligent Design “magic.”
“Polluted” Boris says:
… are taught somewhere why don’t you tell us all where that is?
Mr. Incredible says:
Liberty University, for one.
“Polluted” Boris says:
You won’t.
Mr. Incredible says:
Just did.
“Polluted” Boris says:
Once again you’ll take the coward’s way out and claim it’s irrelevant or that no one would believe you anyway.
Mr. Incredible says:
Except that you are wrong — AGAIN — and you KNOW it.
“Polluted” Boris says:
No one believes you…
Mr. Incredible says:
Not my problem.
“Polluted” Boris says:
… because first of all you’ve been brainwashed…
Mr. Incredible says:
I have been washed clean by the Blood Sacrifice of Jesus! Praise God!
“Polluted” Boris says:
… and second of all you’re a liar…
Mr. Incredible says:
You haven’t proved that yet, and you KNOW it.
“Polluted” Boris says:
… third, we all know you’re wrong…
Mr. Incredible says:
I’m not wrong. I’m correct, and right, and you KNOW it.
“Polluted” Boris says:
… because we’ve done more research on the Bible than you have…
Mr. Incredible says:
Translation: “We’ve read the Word of God like a newspaper.”
“Polluted” Boris says:
…but most importantly though you’re a COWARD.
Mr. Incredible says:
The Devil says that, too. I don’t listen to him either. Anyway, Romans 8:1 [KJV].
“Polluted” Boris says:
Anyone who could knuckle under to the threats of the Christian system of dogmatic superstitions the way you have is a life long, chicken scratch coward.
Mr. Incredible says:
Whatever you gotta say to get through the hurt is ok.
Christianity is not a threat, except to the Devil.
“Polluted” Boris says:
The one trait all Christians share: cowardice.
Mr. Incredible says:
Christians who are persecuted are REAL Christians cuz demonic forces would pay no attention to them if they weren’t. Christians are a threat to the demonic forces, and Buffoon Boris proves this with each post.
“Polluted” Boris says:
Oh yeah, thanks for wasting three hours for our entertainment again.
Mr. Incredible says:
You don’t know how easy it is, and how little time I spend on it all.
“Polluted” Boris says:
You’re [sic] time is obviously not worth much…
Mr. Incredible says:
My time is worth money, but I spend so little time answering each of your posts, that doesn’t make a dent in my schedule.
“Polluted” Boris says:
You’ve been given several solid proofs that the Bible has lots of mistakes and discrepancies in it.
Mr. Incredible says:
And YOU’VE been given solid proofs that it’s all in your two heads.
“Polluted” Boris says:
These proofs…
Mr. Incredible says:
Assertions, speculations and foolish claims.
“Polluted” Boris says:
… refute…
Mr. Incredible says:
Blow just like a harmless breeze.
Mr. Incredible says:
… your claims that the Bible is what you claim it is.
The Word of God IS what He claims to be.
“Polluted” Boris says:
It’s one thing not to agree with those rebuttals, but quite another to go on repeating the argument that the Bible is infallible as if no objections had been raised at all.
Mr. Incredible says:
In fact, no credible objections have been raised. But you’ve raised is propaganda.
“Polluted” Boris says:
Before you go one posting your stupid Bible verses you must first respond the proofs that your claims about the Bible are false.
Mr. Incredible says:
Has already been done… numerous times. All of them have gone WWAAAAYYYY over your two heads.
“Polluted” Boris says:
…evolution and the Big Bang prove the Bible is wrong.
Mr. Incredible says:
Not quite.
“Polluted” Boris says:
Why do you think Bible thumpers have such a problem with these things?
Mr. Incredible says:
We don’t. YOU do, and you KNOW it.



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posted March 12, 2010 at 12:16 pm


Intelligence-resistant Boris says:
Do you se [sic] anyone arguing with me about anything?
Mr. Incredible says:
They don’t bother cuz they know you’re a lost cause.
I bother with it cuz it enhances my ability to use my resources and enhance the resources themselves.



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posted March 12, 2010 at 12:22 pm


HG,
Famous anti-Semite Martin Luther wrote: “Reason should be destroyed in all Christians.” Using reason is the only method humans have to discover the truth about things. The fundamental teaching of Jesus-the demand for conformity gives rise to a fundamental and viciously destructive teaching of Christianity: That some beliefs lie beyond the scope of criticism, and that to question them is sinful, or morally wrong. By doing this Christianity declares itself an enemy of truth and of the faculty by which man arrives at truth-reason.
Here is a good description of why we get so many rambling posts from fundies such as Cara and Incredible: “The obsessional need to preach… to let every stranger one meets know as soon as possible that one is a born-again Christian, are practices that derive not from a lack of social skills but from a manic necessity… Without evangelical activity the fundamentalist psyche sinks into a state of empty boredom… Thus the lassitude of Dubya before 9-11 and the hectic messianic energy that has defined him since… God has chosen one not to just convert the World but to wage war on whatever one labels evil… We should all indeed be trembling in our boots to know the mind-set that now has its finger on the nuclear trigger.” – Walter A. Davis
“Christianity…has been over for a hundred years now… When something even so small as a light bulb goes out, the eyes for a moment still see it; and a sound after it is made will have, in the right places, an echo. So it is not at all strange that when something so huge as a world religion goes out, there remains for a century or more in certain places some notion that it is still there.” – Mary Jean Irion
You’re right, the history classes.



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posted March 12, 2010 at 12:28 pm


Another hour and 8 minutes of your life wasted Incredible. Dance boy, dance for me. ROFL! I love having such control over someone. Now go get a sharp object…. DO IT.



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posted March 12, 2010 at 1:07 pm


Debunking Incredible’s lies about the Catholic Church inventing modern science:
Copernicus had concluded by 1500 A.D. that that the sun is the center of the solar system, but he kept his theories secret for 30 years, not wishing to draw the wrath of the Church. Shortly after publishing Revolutions of the Heavenly Bodies, he died of old age, and was thus spared their angry response. But they got their revenge anyway, by burying him in a grave that marked none of his great accomplishments, but said: “I ask not the grace accorded to Paul; not that given to Peter; give me only the favour which Thou didst show to the thief on the cross.” Then they kept silent about his work for 70 years — until the appearance of Galileo.
Bruno had no such luck; when he publicly defended Copernicus, the Inquisition arrested him, tortured and burned him at the stake.
Galileo, often called “the Father of Modern Science,” was the first astronomer to claim actual evidence that the earth was not the center of the universe, but revolved around the sun. For this, Galileo came under intense criticism and persecution from the Church. Pope Urban VIII personally gave the order in 1633 that Galileo, then an old man of 70, should be threatened with torture if he did not renounce the heresy that the earth revolved around the sun. Under repeated threats of torture, Galileo finally renounced his beliefs. He was then placed under house arrest, and not freed even after he went blind. Technically, the Catholic Church never convicted Galileo of heresy (only a “vehement suspicion of heresy”) but it did make clear that the “heresy” in question was defined as the belief that the earth rotated around the sun. And, to leave absolutely no doubt about how completely it condemned the ideas of Galileo, the Church censored and prohibited all books supporting his scientific findings for over 200 years. This censorship was placed in the Index of Prohibited Books, which was personally signed by every pope who renewed it. Protestants would be mistaken in thinking this is a Catholic embarrassment only. Every Protestant church before 1800 rose in bitter opposition to the “atheistic” findings of Galileo.
Campanella was tortured seven times by the Inquisition for a number of heresies, one of which was writing Defense of Galileo.
Rene Descartes, alarmed by the Inquisition’s persecution of Galileo, delayed his plans to publish The World, a book that agreed with Galileo’s views. Later he wrote Meditations on First Philosophy, which introduced the idea that truth can be discovered only through scientific investigation and the scientific method. This earned the hostility of the Church, and their persecution caused Descartes much suffering. This great philosopher, who is famous for attempting a logical proof of God’s existence, was called an atheist, and his works were placed on the Index of Prohibited Books. Protestant theologians in his resident Holland wanted him tortured and put to death.
Tycho Brahe, Johannes Kepler and Edmond Halley were pioneers in describing the orbits of celestial bodies like comets and planets. The orderly laws of nature they described contradicted the Church’s belief that comets were thrown in anger from the right hand of God, or that they portended disaster and war. For over a hundred years the Church argued against them — to describe how heated, bitter and personal this debate grew in a single paragraph is impossible. But Halley secured the final victory by accurately predicting the return of the comet that now bears his name. All three would have been brought before the Inquisition had they not been Protestant.
Isaac Newton kept his true religious beliefs secret, for fear of persecution, until literally his dying day. He privately rejected his native Anglican Church at about age 30, convinced that its teachings about Christ’s divinity and the existence of a Trinity were a fraud. He instead accepted Arianism, a 4th century Christian heresy. Only on his deathbed did he reveal his true beliefs by rejecting the Anglican sacrament. (2) Many Christians opposed his scientific findings as well, for everyone had previously believed that God actively and frequently intervened in the ordinary events of the universe. Christians charged that he “took from God that direct action on his works so constantly ascribed to him in Scripture and transferred it to material mechanism,” and that he “substituted gravitation for Providence.”
Georges Louis Leclerc Comte de Buffon, one of the more colorful scientists in history, was the first to study fossils and suggest that life forms had changed in the past. The proto-version of evolution earned him the enmity the Church, which forced him to resign from his Sorbonne University position and recant his views. The Church then humiliated him by publishing his recantation.
William Buckland, Charles Lyell, Louis Agassiz, and Adam Sedgewick were all 19th century Christian geologists who originally set out to prove the story of creation and Noah’s Flood. But despite their best attempts to reconcile their discoveries with the Bible, their findings kept pointing in the other direction: namely, the earth was several billion years old, not 6,000. One by one, they recanted their belief in the literal interpretation of Genesis and accepted the findings of modern geology. For their intellectual honesty, they came under terrific attack from the Church, which hurled epithets like “infidel,” “impugner of the sacred record,” and “assailant of the volume of God.” Their geology was condemned as “a dark art,” “dangerous and disreputable,” “a forbidden province,” “infernal artillery” and “an awful evasion of the testimony of revelation.”
Robert Chambers created a major scandal in 1844 when he published an anonymous best-selling book entitled The Vestiges of the Natural History of Creation. The book contained the blasphemous suggestion that an orderly progression in the changes of fossils indicated that species themselves had evolved. Religious leaders demanded to learn the identity of the author and denounced the book in the angriest terms possible. The ensuing controversy proved that Chambers had made the correct decision to publish anonymously.
Charles Darwin knew that his revolutionary theories on natural selection would invite the full fury of the Christian world. He therefore delayed publishing his theory for over 20 years, agonizing over the decision of whether or not to publish. His hand was forced in 1858, when he learned that the naturalist Alfred Wallace was about to publish the same theory. His fears proved true — the reaction from the Church was shock, disappointment and anger. The world-wide attacks on his character, theories and personal life are common knowledge now, but he was saved from physical harm for two reasons. First, nearly the entire scientific community was quick to see the soundness of his theories, and rallied immediately to his defense. Second, the age of the Inquisition and other torture-based persecutions had finally passed.
Bertrand Russell found that Christian persecution exists even in the 20th century. One of the greatest of modern philosophers, Russell angered many Christians with his essay, Why I am not a Christian. And they exacted their revenge in 1940, when Russell accepted an appointment at the College of the City of New York. The Christian community launched a furious and protracted campaign to prevent the appointment, printing slanderous accusations of homosexuality, child molestation, public nudity and lechery. (This, for his mildly liberal views on sex, which would be considered tame by today’s standards.) Even New York’s highest political officials joined the assault, calling him a “dog” who should be “tarred and feathered and driven out of the country.” Christians sued in court to prevent Russell’s appointment, and in a trial filled with legal howlers, Russell was barred from teaching in New York State — in a word, censored. (3)
The above examples are only the highpoints of this history. To see just how consistently and bitterly the Church opposed hundreds of lesser scientists, one should read Andrew White’s The Warfare Of Science With Theology.
Incredible you juts keep on spreading your Christian lies and we’ll just keep proving you a liar. Nothing could be easier.



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posted March 12, 2010 at 9:46 pm


Modern Science was born in the Catholic Church:
http://www.amazon.com/Catholic-Church-Built-Western-Civilization/dp/product-description/0895260387
It’s readily available resources like this that puts people like Boris to shame.
It’s really too bad that, when he was young, Boris was just walking past a construction site, wrapping a joint, unaware of his surroundings, and was dinged on the head by a wrecking ball.



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posted March 12, 2010 at 9:52 pm


It looks as though the plagiarist, Boris, is at it again.



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posted March 12, 2010 at 9:57 pm


Plagiarist Boris says:
Another hour and 8 minutes of your life wasted Incredible.
Mr. Incredible says:
As I say, it takes so little time and effort for me to post that it’s no waste at all. If you only knew.
Plagiarist Boris says:
Dance boy, dance for me. ROFL!
Mr. Incredible says:
You want guys to dance for you???
Plagiarist Boris says:
I love having such control over someone.
Mr. Incredible says:
And, yet, YOU are the one who followed me here. Can’t you find someone else to stalk?



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