Lynn v. Sekulow

Lynn v. Sekulow


It’s Heritage, Not Religion and while we’re at it . . . Merry Christmas!

posted by Jay Sekulow

Barry,

 

Nice try.  But, you’re not going to convince me that displaying our national motto or the words from the Pledge of Allegiance somehow constitute a government-sponsored religion. To the contrary, inclusion of these words in the Capitol Visitor Center in Washington simply reflects our Judeo-Christian heritage and does not represent “inaccurate history” as you suggest.

 

The fact is that while the First Amendment affords atheists complete freedom to disbelieve, it does not compel the federal judiciary to redact religious references in every area of public life in order to suit atheistic sensibilities. 

 

And, it seems those atheistic sensibilities are offended very easily when Christians celebrate Christmas.  Yes, it’s the time of year when many religions celebrate important beliefs and traditions.  But it always seems that “Christmas” is the crosshairs.  Don’t say “Merry Christmas” – it’s “Happy Holidays” – even though most Americans (72%) prefer the greeting “Merry Christmas.” 

Actually, it appears those who want to make a federal case out of acknowledging our nation’s history and heritage are having no problem articulating their own “message” this Christmas season.

 

The American Humanist Association has launched its atheist campaign in the nation’s capitol. The United Coalition of Reason is putting up billboard messages around the country.  And, the Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF), which filed the lawsuit challenging the displays at the Capitol Visitor Center, is finding out that not everyone wants to see their message – even those who usually side with them on these issues. 

 

FFRF said it was “floored” by the negative response it received from an advertisement it placed in the usually atheist-friendly Unitarian Universalist Association’s quarterly magazine.  The ad quoted six famous people on religion – including a quote from Clarence Darrow: “I don’t believe in God because I don’t believe in Mother Goose.”  Acknowledging the ad “seemed to mock all religion” – the magazine issued an apology, saying it was “polarizing” and should not have run.   Hmmm.

 

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Ray Ingles

posted December 4, 2009 at 3:05 pm


It’s hard to have it both ways. I mean, if you can have religious messages in government venues, then how can you object to non-religious messages in government venues?
Oh, and the “national motto or the words from the Pledge of Allegiance” were added in the 1950s, not the 1770’s – expressly and specifically for a religious purpose. Taking them out isn’t “atheistic”. I haven’t seen anyone proposing, say, putting “under no God” into the Pledge – that would be atheistic.



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LindaJoy

posted December 4, 2009 at 3:13 pm


Well Jay- it’s quite amusing to see Christians in this country get so worked up about claiming the rights to all the trimmings of what is totally a pagan holiday. A Merry Mithras to you!



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Arrow

posted December 4, 2009 at 3:41 pm


I have no objections to “Merry Christmas”, it’s the name of the holiday. I don’t object to “Happy Solstice”, or “Merry Mithras”, or anyone wishing me well. However, when it comes to displaying religious symbols, the government should not be involved. It simply isn’t government business.
The editing of our POA (1954) and the subsequent adoption of the current motto (1956) were wrong. These actions were effected by laws passed regarding religion, that’s a no-no. “god” is a word specifically invented to refer to a supernatural being, and “God” refers to a specific being Who requires obedient followers. Allegiance to country finishes SECOND, at best, for such followers; and equality also is relegated to the back seat.
I don’t ask for redactions of hisstorical text, however, if they are to be displayed prominently by government–then people of ALL beliefs should be able to display their view of historically significant contribution. People of many faiths, and of no such beliefs, were present during the time we became a sovereign nation and their contributions should not be marginalized if government is going into the business of displaying religious history.



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Terry

posted December 4, 2009 at 4:02 pm


I don’t care about people saying Merry Christmas. But I think Happy Holidays encompasses this part of the year which have many holidays bunched in together. The fact that Christians want to claim about a war on Christmas is amusing considering most of the trappings of Christmas were borrowed from pagan holidays.
I also think when it comes to the pledge of allegiance, the term God should be taken out because it does refer to a supernatural being. Particularly the God of the Christians. Since it was only added in 1956 because of the campaigning of Christian leaders it is not something our founding fathers intended. When you look at our secular constitution, the founding fathers left out the mention of God.
Christians certainly wouldn’t want Allah to be mentioned in the pledge or on government buildings, so we shouldn’t have to support having God put on our government buildings.



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William

posted December 4, 2009 at 4:43 pm


“even though most Americans (72%) prefer the greeting “Merry Christmas.”
I’m pretty sure the reason we don’t have a direct democracy is because the founders knew the folly of mob rule. Part of the heritage of America that you seem so fond of is that it protects the minority from the majority. And you’re a lawyer?



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William

posted December 4, 2009 at 4:46 pm


Oh, also, the whole “Merry Christmas” thing is completely self-centered. No one cares about individuals saying Merry Christmas to each other, the problem is that you people want stores and other groups to wish a “Merry Christmas” to ALL customers, including those who do not celebrate Christmas, just so you can feel special and recognized and live in a delusional world where Christianity deserves preferential treatment. Just get over yourselves already, or buy an island and found a Christian nation.



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Chris

posted December 4, 2009 at 4:51 pm


How many of the Founding Fathers wished people “Merry Christmas”?
When Bing Crosby sang “Happy Holidays,” was he thinking of Hanukkah, Kwanzaa and Eid?
Sigh.



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Your Name

posted December 4, 2009 at 5:11 pm


Re: William
Yes, I do understand how frustrating mob rule can be.
As for Christmas, well, I love Christmas.
I am sorry everybody does not celebrate Christmas. I am not saying all the commercial activity around it is a great idea. I am all for Santa cookies and Jolly Old St. Nick. It makes people happy this time of year.
What is so terrible about saying Merry Christmas to all? Yes, I know there are others who do not celebrate the birth of Christ, that is evident! Are you an athiest or something? C



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Your Name

posted December 4, 2009 at 7:29 pm


Prior to the invention of Santa Claus and the reindeer there was nothing Christian about the pagan Christmas; after Santa there was nothing Christian about the commercial Christmas either. The most covered song about Christmas (White Christmas) was written by a Polish/Russian Jew (Irving Berlin) — what does that tell you about your “sacred” holiday? Only 21 shopping days (including supposedly sacred Sundays too) until what? Until a nation of hypocrites pretend to actually like the presents they received…



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interpreter

posted December 4, 2009 at 8:25 pm


Merry Christmas to all!



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Steve

posted December 4, 2009 at 11:15 pm


America was founded under somebody’s god. The conquistadors were doing the work of their god when they slaughtered the previous inhabitants and banned their god. I am sure the vatican has the spoils in a vault somewhere. It was raw power that resulted in the imposition of the european god. Those folks probably appeared a little different to those who were being slaughtered. They were probably a bit skeptical. It took a hundred years to abolish slavery – for the most part. When will we abolish religious tyranny?



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planetspinz

posted December 5, 2009 at 12:10 am


Instead of debating nonsense, what are you doing to stop genocide in Jesus’ name in Uganda?



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Mr. Incredible

posted December 5, 2009 at 5:40 am


planetspinz
December 5, 2009 12:10 AM
Instead of debating nonsense, what are you doing to stop genocide in Jesus’ name in Uganda?
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When are YOU gonna stop it?



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Mr. Incredible

posted December 5, 2009 at 5:50 am


December 4, 2009 11:15 PM
America was founded under somebody’s god.
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The God of the Word.
Steve
December 4, 2009 11:15 PM
The conquistadors were doing the work of their god when they slaughtered the previous inhabitants and banned their god.
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Blame the conquistadors.
Steve
December 4, 2009 11:15 PM
It was raw power resulted in the imposition of the european god.
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Blame those who did the imposing.
Steve
December 4, 2009 11:15 PM
It took a hundred years to abolish slavery – for the most part.
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Annnnddd….?
Steve
December 4, 2009 11:15 PM
When will we abolish religious tyranny?
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Are YOU the victim of such tyranny? File a lawsuit and see whether a jury agrees with you.



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Mr. Incredible

posted December 5, 2009 at 5:53 am


Santa. Heh. Just take the n and put it on the end.



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Mr. Incredible

posted December 5, 2009 at 5:57 am


LindaJoy
December 4, 2009 3:13 PM
Well Jay- it’s quite amusing to see Christians in this country get so worked up about claiming the rights to all the trimmings of what is totally a pagan holiday.
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We’re glad to see, then, that the pagans celebrate the birth of Jesus, too.



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Mr. Incredible

posted December 5, 2009 at 6:06 am


Ray Ingles
December 4, 2009 3:05 PM
…the “national motto or the words from the Pledge of Allegiance” were added in the 1950s, not the 1770’s…
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Sorta like SCOTUS, in 1947, not in the 1770s, saying that there is a “separation of Church and State” in the Constitution.
Ray Ingles
December 4, 2009 3:05 PM
Taking them out isn’t “atheistic”.
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Except that taking them out exposes and displays hostility toward Christianity.
Ray Ingles
December 4, 2009 3:05 PM
I haven’t seen anyone proposing, say, putting “under no God” into the Pledge – that would be atheistic.
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It would also be too obvious an atheistic intention.



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Mr. Incredible

posted December 5, 2009 at 6:12 am


On Christmas Day, we celebrate the birth of Jesus, the human form of God on Earth, Who came to us with the Message of God’s Offer of Reconciliation. I don’t care whether pagans celebrate something else that day; that’s THEIR problem. Christmas Day is STILL a day of celebration of the birth of Jesus.



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William J. Coviello

posted December 5, 2009 at 6:33 am


BARRY W. LYNN BIO.
Since 1992, the Rev. Barry W. Lynn has served as executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, a Washington, D.C.-based organization dedicated to the preservation of the Constitution’s religious liberty provisions.
In addition to his work as a long-time activist and lawyer in the civil liberties field, Lynn is an ordained minister in the United Church of Christ, offering him a unique perspective on church-state issues.
An accomplished speaker and lecturer, Lynn has appeared frequently on television and radio broadcasts to offer analysis of First Amendment issues. News programs on which Lynn has appeared include PBS’s “NewsHour,” NBC’s “Today Show,” Fox News Channel’s “O’Reilly Factor,” ABC’s “Nightline,” CNN’s “Crossfire,” CBS’s “60 Minutes,” MSNBC’s “Countdown with Keith Olbermann,” Fox News Channel’s “Hannity & Colmes,” ABC’s “Good Morning America,” CNN’s “Larry King Live” and the national nightly news on NBC, ABC and CBS.
Lynn began his professional career working at the national office of the United Church of Christ, including a two-year stint as legislative counsel for the Church’s Office of Church in Society in Washington, D.C. From 1984 to 1991 he was legislative counsel for the Washington office of the American Civil Liberties Union.
In 2006, Lynn authored Piety & Politics: The Right-Wing Assault On Religious Freedom (Harmony Books). In 2008 he coauthored (with C. Welton Gaddy) First Freedom First: A Citizen’s Guide to Protecting Religious Liberty and the Separation of Church and State (Beacon Press).
Lynn writes frequently on religious liberty issues, and has had essays published in outlets such as USA Today, The Los Angeles Times, The Wall Street Journal and The Nation. Lynn also has op-eds published frequently by the McClatchy and Scripps-Howard newspaper chains.
A member of the Washington, D.C. and U.S. Supreme Court bar, Lynn earned his law degree from Georgetown University Law Center in 1978. In addition, he received his theology degree from Boston University School of Theology in 1973.
Lynn, who was born in Harrisburg, Pa., and raised in Bethlehem, Pa., lives in Chevy Chase, Md., with his family.
What puzzles me is that there is no mention of him ever Pasoring a church or even preaching in one, so how is it that he is a prported Ordained Minister with the title of Reverend with the UNITED CHURCH of CHRIST. He orked in the NATIONAL OFFICE of the UNITED CHURCH of CHRIST not in one of their churches.
But putting that aside for a moment H was in fact on the O’Reilly Factor on March 2, 2006 when Bill O’Reilly said to him; “Well, Reverend, look, with all due respect and you know I love you as a guest. You’re one of the best. You’re a paranoid crazy. Honest. You’re paranoid and you’re crazy”.
He was also referred to as being “about as reverend as an oak tree” by the late and greatly missed Dr. and Rev. Jerry Falwell on Fox News Channel’s “The Big Story with John Gibson” in 2005. Although Barry Lynn wasn’t on that particular show, the comment apparently stemmed from a previous debate between them on on Fox News
Channel’s “O’Reilly Factor,”. I found this on “An Open Letter to Jerry Falwell” dated December, 2005 where Barry Lynn was whining about receiving “66 nasty e-mails, including two death threats. Observed one of my correspondents, “Hope you die soon. Merry Christmas.”, after their debate on the O’Reilly Factor. He also claimed to have “ministerial credentials from the United Church of Christ”.
According to its 2008 annual report, the United Church of Christ has about 1.1 million members in about 5,300 local congregations. [1] The denomination has suffered a 44 percent loss in membership since the mid-1960s.[2]
The UCC maintains full communion with several other mainline Protestant denominations and participates in worldwide ecumenical efforts. The national settings of the UCC have historically favored progressive or liberal views on civil rights, gay rights, women’s rights, abortion, and other social issues. However, United Church of Christ congregations have freedom in matters of doctrine and ministry, and may or may not support the national body’s theological or moral stances.
Two of the UNITED CHURCH for CHRIST’s momost pominent churches are:
Trinity United Church of Christ, Chicago – a predominantly black church located in south Chicago. With upwards of 10,000 members, it is the largest church affiliated with UCC. It was pastored by Rev. Jeremiah Wrong (ooops a slip of the tongue) I meant Rev. Jeremiah Wright until early 2008. He left after being the center of attention during the election campaign of Barack Obama, who was a long time member of the congregation. Yes, you guessed it the Church that preached ani-white, anti-semetic and ant-patriotic sermons. It is now pastored by The Rev. Otis Moss III.
Cathedral of Hope (Dallas) – Largest church in the United States with a primary outreach to lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people. Local membership exceeds 3500 people though the church claims over 52,000 world wide constituents.
In finding all these publically available facts I can not see why a True Christian would be interested in Barry Lynn’s opinions. Of course this is only my personal opinion. I AM NOT JUDGING the MAN. Only God can do that. However, I will say I find his beliefs to be way left of mainstream Christianity.



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Mr. Incredible

posted December 5, 2009 at 7:35 am


William J. Coviello
December 5, 2009 6:33 AM
I AM NOT JUDGING the MAN. Only God can do that.
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Of course, where Jesus says, in Matthew 7, not to judge, He is talking to the unrighteous, not the Righteous. In fact, it is reiterated in Romans 2:1-3.
Not only that, Jesus tells the Righteous to “judge Righteous judgment” — that is, according to the Word.
Finally, 1 John 4:1.



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Mr. Incredible

posted December 5, 2009 at 7:40 am


==The fact is that while the First Amendment affords atheists complete freedom to disbelieve…==
Atheists believe in something. It is not an absence of belief. It is simply an error in belief/an error of their belief. They believe that God does not exist. They do not not believe that God exists. They trust in their judgment, as wrong as it is.



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Guy Allen

posted December 5, 2009 at 1:03 pm


Jay get real about your use of “Our Judeo-Christian Heritage” Jews were discriminated against for most of history. Religious freedom ment “Freedom for me but not thee”.



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Your Name

posted December 5, 2009 at 2:28 pm


Hey, was not Santa based on Jolly OLd St. Nick who gave to the orphans and the strangers. Yes
Good guy!
Merry Christmas, there is nothing pagan about it, LindaJoy. That would be the celebration of Christ. As for those who wish to take out Christ out of Christmas and make it X-mas, that would be a pagan celebration. Decorate all you want and make it a joyous day filled with family and friends to love eachother.
C



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Kauko

posted December 5, 2009 at 3:53 pm


I know that people mean well when they say, ‘Merry Christmas’ to me at this time of year, but I have to admit that, as a Jew, I find it kind of galling. I guess that’s because Judaism and Christianity have such a long negative history. Christmas symbolizes something very different to a Jew, and having ‘Merry Christmas’ thrown at you every 2 seconds can just be a constant reminder that you’re different, you’re in the minority.



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nicholas

posted December 5, 2009 at 4:10 pm


Have you heard the bird is the word?



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Mr. Incredible

posted December 5, 2009 at 10:43 pm


Kauko
December 5, 2009 3:53 PM
I know that people mean well when they say, ‘Merry Christmas’ to me at this time of year, but I have to admit that, as a Jew, I find it kind of galling. I guess that’s because Judaism and Christianity have such a long negative history. Christmas symbolizes something very different to a Jew, and having ‘Merry Christmas’ thrown at you every 2 seconds can just be a constant reminder that you’re different, you’re in the minority.
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If anybody thinks that I’m gonna walk through the mall, or anywhere else, and check out who is what and what background they are before I wish them “Merry Christmas,” they are sadly mistaken. Everybody can enjoy the Christmas holiday, recognizing the birth of Jesus Christ, God incarnate on Earth, Who brought us the Message of God’s Offer of Reconciliation. If they can’t, it’s not my problem. I’m gonna wish people a merry Christmas/Happy Jesus’ Birthday, and, if they wanna reject that, if not gonna stop me. I’m not interested in political correctness, and political correctness will not stand in my way.



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Mordred08

posted December 6, 2009 at 2:00 am


I didn’t always have a problem with “Merry Christmas”. But at some point it stopped being just a friendly greeting. Now to prove you’re a true American, you have to say “Merry Christmas”. If you say “Happy Holidays”, then you’re a prime example of everything that’s wrong with America to these people. Stores are BOYCOTTED for not falling in line. You “Merry Christmas” militants are ruining Christmas, not us.
Happy Holidays, Kauko. You’re not the only one in the minority.



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Boris

posted December 6, 2009 at 3:39 am


Jesus Christ and his disciples are as real as Santa Claus and his reindeer.



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Mr. Incredible

posted December 6, 2009 at 3:55 am


Mordred08
December 6, 2009 2:00 AM
I didn’t always have a problem with “Merry Christmas”. But at some point it stopped being just a friendly greeting.
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At least that’s the way you took it.
Mordred08
December 6, 2009 2:00 AM
Now to prove you’re a true American, you have to say “Merry Christmas”.
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No, you don’t. However, that’s not gonna stop me.
Mordred08
December 6, 2009 2:00 AM
If you say “Happy Holidays”, then you’re a prime example of everything that’s wrong with America to these people.
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It’s an indicator of the direction of your thinking. As you reject what we say, we can reject what YOU say. See how easy that is?
Mordred08
December 6, 2009 2:00 AM
Stores are BOYCOTTED for not falling in line.
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Are we REQUIRED to ignore our conscience and buy from a store that is flagrantly blatant in its disrespect of us?
Mordred08
December 6, 2009 2:00 AM
You “Merry Christmas” militants are ruining Christmas, not us.
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No, it’s you people.



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Mr. Incredible

posted December 6, 2009 at 3:58 am


Boris
December 6, 2009 3:39 AM
Jesus Christ and his disciples are as real as Santa Claus and his reindeer.
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To YOU, that is. But so what?



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Boris

posted December 6, 2009 at 4:07 am


To be a true American one must reject any religion that demands the worship of only one God the way the Ten Commandments does. Christian fascism is un-American.



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Mr. Incredible

posted December 6, 2009 at 4:21 am


Boris
December 6, 2009 4:07 AM
To be a true American one must reject any religion that demands the worship of only one God the way the Ten Commandments does.
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Everybody has the Right to choose. Some of us choose the blessing, and others, like you, choose the curse, or, at least, you people reject the blessing, thus making the curse the default choice.
Boris
December 6, 2009 4:07 AM
Christian fascism is un-American.
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Call a cop.



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Mr. Incredible

posted December 6, 2009 at 4:25 am


Boris
December 6, 2009 4:07 AM
To be a true American one must reject any religion that demands the worship of only one God the way the Ten Commandments does.
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You’ve rejected it. So, what’s your beef now that it’s not a part of your life?
Oh, you wanna impose YOUR views on everybody else. We see.



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K.

posted December 6, 2009 at 11:13 am


I find it fascinating that a nation that calls itself Christian conveniently forgets its founder’s teaching on forgivness (I wonder what world would this had be had Bush fogiven 9/11 instead of responding with more violence) would go bonkers by a celebration that, technically, it’s not even real -since, as we all know, Jesus’ birth date is a mystery- and which, probably, would had had little meaning to Jesus and his original followers.



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Hifi

posted December 6, 2009 at 1:55 pm


In signing the bill on June 14, 1954, Flag Day, Eisenhower delighted in the fact that from then on, “millions of our schoolchildren will daily proclaim in every city and town … the dedication of our nation and our people to the Almighty.” That the nation, constitutionally speaking, was in fact dedicated to the opposite proposition seemed to escape the president.



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Your Name

posted December 7, 2009 at 3:36 pm


Re: Kauko
As a jew you find it galling to be told Merry Christmas. What?
Mathew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
I can go back in Old Testament and show you the same thing in different passages. It is just for the Jews to believe that he came is the question. It showed how he how he was supposed to come, to whom and who he was in Old Testament. Now for the Jewish people to believe in The Prophecy of their own scripture is their choice.
I do not know what you find so galling as you put it, He came because He loved you and if you don’t want him I don’t know what to say, other then maybe you should study some more Old Testament Prophecy on who He is. Their is nothing galling about Him. He just didn’t want you to suffer anymore pain and anquish and He wants to give you eternal life through Him. Of course you could just toss these views out the window, so to speak. It is your choice, your gift He has given you. Animal sacrifice ended and He came as the chosen lamb of God. Merry Christmas.
C



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Mordred08

posted December 7, 2009 at 10:05 pm


Your Name (December 7, 2009 3:36 PM): “He came because He loved you…He just didn’t want you to suffer anymore pain and anquish…”
If Jesus cared about the Jews, why didn’t he stop the Christians from mistreating them for so long? Happy Holidays.



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Boris

posted December 7, 2009 at 10:18 pm


Incredible unbelievers aren’t rejecting a blessing. They don’t think there is any blessing to reject. Your religion has narrowed your worldview to the point that you cannot comprehend even a simple concept like unbelief or atheism. I don’t have any views I want to impose on anyone else. My children are grown. You should try to grow up too and start thinking for yourself instead of parroting tired arguments you’ve gotten from other people you don’t understand well enough to defend yourself.



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Steve Coulon

posted December 9, 2009 at 10:33 am


What if Jesus Christ had never been born? Where the Spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ is, there is Liberty. See 2 Corinthians 3:17 K.J.V.



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Steve Coulon

posted December 9, 2009 at 10:39 am


What would life be like in this country/world if it were not for the Living Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ?



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Steve Coulon

posted December 9, 2009 at 11:05 am


For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this. Isaiah 9:6,7 K.J.V.



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Your Name

posted December 9, 2009 at 2:47 pm


Re: K
Yes, I do believe we need to forgive the terrorist. This does not involve being a sitting duck.
Re: Meodrid08
Sorry somebody hurt you or some Christians you so state have mistreated you and your people. I understand when others hurt people, this can not be construed as Jesus though.
Merry Christmas,
Cara



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Your Name

posted December 9, 2009 at 2:59 pm


Re: K
Does forgiving the terrorist involve government being a sitting duck for another attact from one?
That is why we have a defense to help protect our people from further attacks. You can’t just give killers a piece of bubble gum and say have a nice day. Well you could, but when their mindset is deadset on killing you, you need a defense.
Thank you God for our servicemen this time of year, who are away from their family and friends to give us freedom.
God Bless and Merry Christmas,
Cara



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Boris

posted December 9, 2009 at 8:11 pm


Steve Coulon,
Jesus never was born. Who still believes a story about a person whose birth and supposed resurrection are announced by angels, casts out demons to cure diseases and has a conversation with Satan when no one was around and yet we still supposedly have a word for word record of this conversation? Cookoo, cookoo, cookoo… between you and Cara man.



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Your Name

posted December 10, 2009 at 2:08 am


Yeah, that’s a competition alright



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Your Name

posted December 10, 2009 at 3:06 pm


Re: Boris
Do you know what happenned Boris?
Were you there?
People mislead people all the time. Without having a conversation with me about specifically my recollection, you are taking things out of context. Nor do you know the full story, Mr. Boris. So just maybe I didn’t want everybody to know everything about my life and what really happenned to me. There are just some things the public does not have to know. Who are you to judge, Boris?
And, here I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. So have a nice day Boris. I thought maybe you would come around and look up to the heavens and see that God exist and you were created by the almighty creator. He loves you even though you treat him with such insignifigance. As for angels, well I do believe they exist and you can pray to God for devine help. There are scriptures pertaining to the subject of angels. So you and I are not on the same page. As for Satan existing and talking through people, Jesus thought the same thing. So there you have it. I line up as best I can with scripture. I am not perfect all the time. As for tapes on me, I have not seen them, although some people have recorded my voice and I have heard it aired through various puplications. Thanks for your encouragement toward my success. Merry Christmas, Cara



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Lowell

posted December 14, 2009 at 2:26 am


Heritage, my buttocks. Heritage is the REAL national motto, “E Pluribus Unum”, not the establishment-of-religion travesty illegally replacing it during the McCarthy era.
Anc citing “Judeo-Christian” anything is also a travesty. I fear for the safety of the Jews (and anyone else) when they outlive their usefulness to the Christian theocrats.



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Your Name

posted December 14, 2009 at 6:35 pm


I love that this is a country that has its beginnings founded on Christian religious belief. What is wrong with keeping this country’s symbols of religious traditions and heritage in place? Other countries have symbols of religious traditions that are not targeted for removal by the anti-religion organizations there. Can you imagine an oraganization telling the Indians in India to eat beef? Or telling the Catholics in Mexico or Italy to put away their statues of Mary?
Why is it that symbols displaying the Christian religion are targeted here in America, and not the symbols of many other religious faiths?
I go into the local malls and find statues of Buddha sitting on top of shelves, but not a statue of Jesus can be found. Where is this perverse hatred of Christianity coming from? There is absolutely a war going on in America over Christianity.



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Boris

posted December 15, 2009 at 10:45 pm


“The Christmas Hoax: Jesus is NOT the “Reason for the Season”
http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/christmas.html
Three years ago, this article went a bit viral and garnered tens of thousands of views. Also included in this link are two videos, one of which is a lengthy winter-solstice interview with “Infidel Guy” – check it out!



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Mr. Incredible

posted December 25, 2009 at 4:59 pm


Jesus Christ is Lord!
Jesus Christ IS the Reason for the Season! Today is the day we celebrate His birth.
We don’t care about the curses of scoffers. They bounce off us like Superman.



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posted December 26, 2009 at 9:20 am


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Mr. Incredible: Provide us with the name of just ONE witness who was on scene who says that Jesus never existed, who said that the great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great multitudes who saw Him were mistaken.



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posted December 26, 2009 at 9:41 am


Boris excretes: Jesus never was born.
Mr. Incredible: If not very scientific to exclude the witness testimony from on scene that says He lived. Well, what do YOU care about proof?
Boris excretes: Who still believes a story about a person whose birth and supposed resurrection are announced by angels, casts out demons to cure diseases and has a conversation with Satan when no one was around and yet we still supposedly have a word for word record of this conversation?
Mr. Incredible: Jesus never had such-a conversation with the Devil.



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posted December 26, 2009 at 9:45 am


Boris excretes: Who still believes a story about a person whose birth and supposed resurrection are announced by angels, casts out demons to cure diseases…
Mr. Incredible: A great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great multitudes of on-scene eyewitnesses, and on-scene eyewitnesses today who continue to see His miracles.
You don’t get to see these things cuz you have precluded yourself from seeing these things.



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A great… — — > The great…



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posted December 26, 2009 at 9:52 am


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December 14, 2009 6:35 PM
I go into the local malls and find statues of Buddha sitting on top of shelves, but not a statue of Jesus can be found. Where is this perverse hatred of Christianity coming from?
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posted December 26, 2009 at 9:51 pm


Mr. Incredible: Provide us with the name of just ONE witness who was on scene who says that Jesus never existed, who said that the great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great multitudes who saw Him were mistaken.
Boris says: On what scene, on what date and where exactly? There was no scene. You’re talking about a fairytale, not a historical occurrence. The Bible claims there were 500 witnesses who saw a resurrected Jesus Christ. I don’t care if it says 5000 or 5 million people saw him. How come we don’t have the testimony of even one of these 500 people who supposedly saw this miraculous event? Because it never happened.
Mr. Incredible: If not very scientific to exclude the witness testimony from on scene that says He lived. Well, what do YOU care about proof?
Boris says: What eyewitness testimony? How are you going to prove the gospels were written by eyewitnesses? There is no mention whatsoever of any of the gospels before 190 CE when Iraneus mentioned one of them. Even if the gospels were written when lying apologists claim that would be 50 or 60 years after the events they supposedly describe. But they weren’t. They were written at least 150 years after the events you think they describe.
The whole purpose of the brief 2nd book of John is to admonish followers not to listen to the many people who were telling them the simple truth that Jesus never existed. The Catholic Bible dates the 2nd book of John to 90 A.D. Thus apparently it was a big problem only a few decades after the alleged time of Jesus. Read now the words of this book:
2 John 1:7-11 “Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist. Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work.”
Thus, soon after Jesus allegedly existed, were so many people claiming that he didn’t exist. And rather than approach these unbelievers in a rational manner and present them with overwhelming evidence that Jesus really had existed just a short time ago, and all the miraculous things said to have happened really did happen, the writer instead admonishes his readers to stay away from these people. “Do not take him into your house or welcome him.” The writer stigmatizes these people as “the deceiver” and “the antichrist” who do “wicked work,” and further stigmatizes anyone who should listen to them.
Thus, even very early on, whenever 2 John was written, which the Catholic Bible dates as being 90 A.D., there was a big problem of many people saying Jesus never existed. And the author’s chosen way to refute these claims was by administering admonition and fear into the hearts of the believers.
The only way to maintain a falsehood is to stigmatize the truth to such an extent that it is heresy to even listen to it.
Robert Taylor stated it eloquently:
“We might, say they, as well affect to deny the existence of such an individual as Alexander the Great, or of Napoleon Bonaparte, and so set at defiance the evidence of all facts but such as our senses have attested. It being quite forgotten that the existence of Alexander and Napoleon was not miraculous, and that there never was on earth one other real personage whose existence as a real personage was denied and disclaimed even as soon as ever it was asserted, as was the case with respect to the assumed personality of Christ.”1 – members.cox.net/deleyd/religion/appendixd4a.html
Mr. Incredible: Jesus never had such-a conversation with the Devil.
Boris says: I’m always amazed how little you fundamentalist Christians know about the Bible. Obviously you’ve never actually read the Bible. If you check Mark 1:12-13, Matthew 4:1-11 and Luke 4:1-13 you will see that the Bible says Jesus did indeed have such a conversation with Satan when no one was around. All three gospels give conflicting accounts of what was supposedly actually said though. Maybe that’s why you’d rather pretend these conversations aren’t really there.
Mr. Incredible: A great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great multitudes of on-scene eyewitnesses, and on-scene eyewitnesses today who continue to see His miracles.
You don’t get to see these things cuz you have precluded yourself from seeing these things.
Boris says: Why doesn’t God ever help amputees?
You talk about your “experiment.” I have an experiment for you. Get out your Bible and a chart of the zodiac. Now read the Gospel of Mark with your chart of the zodiac next to you so you can refer to it. That is the secret to understanding the Jesus story. The entire story of Jesus’ travels during his one-year ministry is an allegory for the yearly journey of the Sun through the twelve zodiac constellations and the passage of the seasons of the year. In January and February the Sun travels through Aquarius which is the water bearer, because it’s the rainy season and in the gospel story we have Jesus visiting John the Baptist, who baptizes with water. Suddenly John the Baptist is “put in prison.” There is no further explanation for John’s arrest in the Bible, which seems quite strange if John were a real person. This would be hard to understand if interpreted as a story of real life events, but it all makes perfect sense when understood as an astronomical allegory. John the Baptist being put in prison is merely an allegory for the constellation Aquarius at sunset moving lower until it is below the horizon at the end of the month and can no longer be seen. It is a natural phenomenon that requires no further explanation, and that is why there is no further explanation in the Bible. In February the Sun moves into Pisces, the two fish, and in the gospel story, Jesus leaves John the Baptist, apparently unconcerned about his fate, and visits Simon and his brother Andrew, the two fishermen. Simon and Andrew are personifications of the two fish of Pisces. If you continue reading the gospel you will clearly see the obvious parallels between the Jesus story and the zodiac. The gospels are really an ancient solar myth. You might still try to deny this but I would only have to say that you don’t get to see these things cuz you have precluded yourself from seeing these things. I just did you a big favor. Many Christians have de-converted upon learning the truth about the gospel stories and have thanked me profusely for pointing it out to them.



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posted December 26, 2009 at 11:04 pm


Mr. Incredible:
Provide us with the name of just ONE witness who was on scene who says that Jesus never existed, who said that the great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great multitudes who saw Him were mistaken.
Boris excretes:
On what scene…
Mr. Incredible:
I can’t believe that I need to explain this to you, but the entire scene surrounding Jesus.
Boris excretes:
… on what date…
Mr. Incredible:
The 33 years of Jesus’ life.
Boris excretes:
… and where exactly?
Mr. Incredible:
Where Jesus was.
Boris excretes:
There was no scene.
Mr. Incredible:
Great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great multitudes who were there and saw for themselves say otherwise. It’s unscientific to reject their testimony.
Boris excretes:
You’re talking about a fairytale…
Mr. Incredible:
I know what I’m talking about, and it ain’t a fairytale.
Boris excretes:
… not a historical occurrence.
Mr. Incredible:
Great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, multitudes who were there and saw for themselves say otherwise.
Boris excretes:
The Bible claims there were 500 witnesses who saw a resurrected Jesus Christ. I don’t care if it says 5000 or 5 million people saw him.
Mr. Incredible:
How very unscientific of you.
Boris excretes:
How come we don’t have the testimony of even one of these 500 people who supposedly saw this miraculous event? Because it never happened.
Mr. Incredible:
It happened, all right. That’s cuz the ones who wrote about it saw them. We have HIS testimony. He didn’t need their testimony to testify that they saw and were awed.
Mr. Incredible: If not very scientific to exclude the witness testimony from on scene that says He lived. Well, what do YOU care about proof?
Boris excretes:
What eyewitness testimony?
Mr. Incredible:
Of those who were there.
Boris excretes:
How are you going to prove the gospels were written by eyewitnesses?
Mr. Incredible:
Cuz their testimony is reiterated and reinforced by the testimony of the others who were also there, saw and were awed.
Boris excretes:
There is no mention whatsoever of any of the gospels before 190 CE when Iraneus mentioned one of them.
Mr. Incredible:
Except that there was mention. Jesus created them.
Boris excretes:
They were written at least 150 years after the events you think they describe.
Mr. Incredible:
Simply not true. One example is that John, the disciple, wrote everything down soon afterward.
Boris excretes:
The whole purpose of the brief 2nd book of John is to admonish followers not to listen to the many people who were telling them the simple truth that Jesus never existed.
Mr. Incredible:
That’s cuz John lived with Jesus.
Boris excretes:
The Catholic Bible…Thus, soon after Jesus allegedly existed, were so many people claiming that he didn’t exist.
Mr. Incredible:
They precluded themselves, just as you do.
Boris excretes:
And rather than approach these unbelievers in a rational manner and present them with overwhelming evidence that Jesus really had existed just a short time ago, and all the miraculous things said to have happened really did happen, the writer instead admonishes his readers to stay away from these people.
Mr. Incredible:
What fellowship does Righteousness have with unrighteousness? None.
Boris excretes:
“Do not take him into your house or welcome him.” The writer stigmatizes these people as “the deceiver” and “the antichrist” who do “wicked work,” and further stigmatizes anyone who should listen to them.
Mr. Incredible:
Well…?
Boris excretes:
Thus, even very early on, whenever 2 John was written, which the Catholic Bible dates as being 90 A.D., there was a big problem of many people saying Jesus never existed.
Mr. Incredible:
There were unbelievers then, and there are unbelievers now. So what?
Boris excretes:
And the author’s chosen way to refute these claims was by administering admonition and fear into the hearts of the believers.
Mr. Incredible:
God doesn’t give the spirit of fear. The way to fight fear is with the Spirit of God’s Truth.
Boris excretes:
The only way to maintain a falsehood is to stigmatize the truth to such an extent that it is heresy to even listen to it.
Mr. Incredible:
Sorta like what YOU’re doing.
Mr. Incredible: Jesus never had such-a conversation with the Devil.
Boris says: I’m always amazed how little you fundamentalist Christians know about the Bible.
Mr. Incredible:
Romans 8:1 [KJV]
Boris excretes:
Obviously you’ve never actually read the Bible.
Mr. Incredible:
Translation: “You don’t agree with me and, so, you must not have read the Word.”
Boris excretes:
If you check Mark 1:12-13, Matthew 4:1-11 and Luke 4:1-13 you will see that the Bible says Jesus did indeed have such a conversation with Satan when no one was around.
Mr. Incredible:
If you read carefully, you’ll see that He did not, indeed, engage in conversation with the Devil. He merely responded with the Word of God. Conversation with the Devil is what the Word of God calls, “filthy conversation.” Since the Word of God tells us not to have fellowship with the spirit of unrighteousness, conversation with the spirit of unrighteousness would be ungodly. Jesus said no such ungodly conversation.
Boris excretes:
All three gospels give conflicting accounts of what was supposedly actually said though.
Mr. Incredible:
Irrelevant. All three Gospels have different purposes.
Boris excretes:
Maybe that’s why you’d rather pretend these conversations aren’t really there.
Mr. Incredible:
No need to pretend that they aren’t there; that’s cuz there were no such conversations.
Mr. Incredible: A great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great multitudes of on-scene eyewitnesses, and on-scene eyewitnesses today who continue to see His miracles.
You don’t get to see these things cuz you have precluded yourself from seeing these things.
Boris excretes:
Why doesn’t God ever help amputees?
Mr. Incredible:
Galatians 5:4
Boris excretes:
You talk about your “experiment.” I have an experiment for you.
Mr. Incredible:
Not interested until YOU do the experiment I suggested you do. Of course, you won’t. That’s cuz you’re afraid of what will happen.
PRAISE THE LORD, IN THE NAME OF JESUS, that I’m not interested in, nor am I impacted by your chronic, acute spasms of bewitchments, curses, wizardry/wizard prismatics, enchantments, spells, enticements, bedevilments, vexations, hexations, dark morals, sorceries, crafty practices, speculative and empty philosophies, nor, in the name of spiritual and mental sanitation, by any other of your pissy, monkey “extracts,” nor by any other “steamy defecations and droppings” you leave in your posts directly from your plane of dark existence.



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posted December 27, 2009 at 12:12 am


Boris excretes:
Why doesn’t God ever help amputees?
Mr. Incredible:
“Help” how?
Who says He hasn’t/doesn’t?
What “help” should God give them that He has not?



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posted December 27, 2009 at 2:48 am


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posted December 27, 2009 at 4:05 am


Babbling Boris excretes:
Incredible you sure like playing with my excretions.
Mr. Incredible:
Lemme remind you —
Boris excretes:
Why doesn’t God ever help amputees?
Mr. Incredible:
“Help” how?
Who says He hasn’t/doesn’t?
What “help” should God give them that He has not?
When will you answer those questions?



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posted December 27, 2009 at 4:08 am


Boris buries Incredible:
Mr. Incredible:
I can’t believe that I need to explain this to you, but the entire scene surrounding Jesus.
Boris says: From what scene in the Bible do we have an eyewitness account from outside the Bible that would substantiate what the Bible supposedly claims?
Mr. Incredible: The 33 years of Jesus’ life.
Boris says: If Jesus actually lived you should be able to tell me on exactly what date the 33 years of Jesus’ life began and the exact date it ended. But you can’t. Why not?
Mr. Incredible: Great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great multitudes who were there and saw for themselves say otherwise. It’s unscientific to reject their testimony.
Boris says: Try to concentrate. Whose testimony? Not one person out of these great multitudes ever wrote one word about Jesus. Not one person from the thousands he supposedly fed, from the crowds many of who he supposedly healed or the crowds he allegedly spoke to ever wrote one single word about their supposed experience. What you have is four gospels that claim lots of other people saw something. That’s like proving the existence of Batman by citing the eyewitness testimony of Robin the Boy Wonder. Circular reasoning like that may convince a person who hasn’t learned how to think critically or spot glaring logical fallacies such as you but there’s a reason so few people take the Bible literally and a reason they’re all at the bottom of the intellectual barrel.
Mr. Incredible: I know what I’m talking about, and it ain’t a fairytale.
Boris says: Since when is a story that has angels speaking, demons being cast out to cure diseases, describes all sorts of magic and miracles not a fairytale? Since a bunch of churchmen collected these stories and voted on them to be the literary basis for their church? Uh, sorry to burst your bubble but men voting on books doesn’t change what they are. ROFL!
Mr. Incredible: Great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, multitudes who were there and saw for themselves say otherwise.
Boris says: Why can’t you produce just one account from just one of these witnesses?
Mr. Incredible: How very unscientific of you.
Boris says: You are the one who claims not to believe in evolution even though it’s taught at every private Christian college and university in the world that teaches science. How very unscientific of you.
Mr. Incredible: It happened, all right. That’s cuz the ones who wrote about it saw them. We have HIS testimony. He didn’t need their testimony to testify that they saw and were awed.
Boris says: Yes and Rudolph has a red nose because Dancer saw it and we have HIS testimony! Hahahah.
Mr. Incredible: Of those who were there.
Boris says: Name the people who were there and what they wrote.
Mr. Incredible: Cuz their testimony is reiterated and reinforced by the testimony of the others who were also there, saw and were awed.
Boris says: Produce these testimonies.
Mr. Incredible: Except that there was mention. Jesus created them.
Boris says: That’s your response to the fact that there is no evidence that the gospels existed before 190 CE? Cookoo, cookoo, cookoo, cookoo…. Man you are brainwashed.
Mr. Incredible: Simply not true. One example is that John, the disciple, wrote everything down soon afterward.
Boris says: Then how come no one found what he wrote for over 150 years? Not even conservative scholars are silly enough to claim John was a disciple of Jesus. Only preachers do that and they certainly know better.
Mr. Incredible: That’s cuz John lived with Jesus.
Boris says: Prove it. How come no Bible scholars believe that? Because they know less about it than you, a person who hasn’t even read the Bible? Hahaha.
Mr. Incredible: What fellowship does Righteousness have with unrighteousness? None.
Boris says: Translated: I will not listen to anything that conflicts with what my Christian cult leaders have brainwashed me to believe – signed Mr. Incredible.
Mr. Incredible: There were unbelievers then, and there are unbelievers now. So what?
Boris says: Why would there be people who didn’t believe Jesus existed back when he supposedly did. What about all your testimonies? Poof, there were no testimonies and that proves it.
Mr. Incredible: God doesn’t give the spirit of fear. The way to fight fear is with the Spirit of God’s Truth.
Boris says: Then why have other people frightened you into believing you will go to hell if you don’t believe a silly book of magic and fairies? You’re completely frightened out of your infantile, dishonest and evil mind with delusions about hell. There’s no other way a person believes the retarded crap you do.
Mr. Incredible: Translation: “You don’t agree with me and, so, you must not have read the Word.”
Boris says: You worship that paper book like an idol calling it “the Word” and ascribing magical powers to it. Nothing like having other gods and idols to make up for the lack of evidence for your God is there?
Mr. Incredible: If you read carefully, you’ll see that He did not, indeed, engage in conversation with the Devil. He merely responded with the Word of God.
Boris says: There was no “Word of God” until Christian churchmen invented one in the fourth century. The Jewish people do not call their scriptures the “Word of God.” I know. I’m a Jew. What’s it like to see all your arguments blow up in your face one by one? Perhaps you should just go away before you get suicidal. Go look at how red your face is in the mirror right now. Mine’s red from laughing at you. It’s hard to fathom the depths of your stupidity.
Conversation with the Devil is what the Word of God calls, “filthy conversation.” Since the Word of God tells us not to have fellowship with the spirit of unrighteousness, conversation with the spirit of unrighteousness would be ungodly. Jesus said no such ungodly conversation.
Boris says: Where exactly does the Bible say conversation with the devil is “filthy conversation.”
Mr. Incredible: Irrelevant. All three Gospels have different purposes.
Boris says: If they were historical accounts they would not conflict with each other. Duh.
Mr. Incredible: No need to pretend that they aren’t there; that’s cuz there were no such conversations.
Boris says: Jesus answered him, “It is written, ‘One does not live by bread alone’” (Luke 4:4); Jesus answered him, “It is written, Worship the Lord your God, and serve only him’” (Luke 4:8); Jesus answered him, “It is said, ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test’” (Luke 4:12). Sorry Incredible but those answers are Jesus speaking directly to Satan himself and are by every definition a conversation. Once again the Bible believer is shot down in flames because he didn’t read his Bible and doesn’t know what it actually says. Shooting fish in a barrel.
Mr. Incredible: Galatians 5:4
Boris says: Citing Bible verses you don’t even understand yourself to someone who doesn’t believe the Bible proves only how sick and delusional you are.
Mr. Incredible: Not interested until YOU do the experiment I suggested you do. Of course, you won’t. That’s cuz you’re afraid of what will happen.
Boris says: I’m not afraid of your religion, you are.
Mr. Incredible: PRAISE THE LORD, IN THE NAME OF JESUS, that I’m not interested in, nor am I impacted by your chronic, acute spasms of bewitchments, curses, wizardry/wizard prismatics, enchantments, spells, enticements, bedevilments, vexations, hexations, dark morals, sorceries, crafty practices, speculative and empty philosophies, nor, in the name of spiritual and mental sanitation, by any other of your pissy, monkey “extracts,” nor by any other “steamy defecations and droppings” you leave in your posts directly from your plane of dark existence.
Boris says: That’s cuz YOU’RE the one who is really afraid of what will happen if you do what I say. You just lost the debate Incredible, folded, crumbled like a cookie and now you are trembling in fear. Your “witnesses” proved to be a religious fraud and fantasy. Of course you have no idea how much of a psychopathic cult member that rambling bit of insanity above proves you really are. That last comment is you covering your ears like a small angry child and screaming I can’t hear you. But you did hear me and loud and clear. I can tell you are deathly afraid that I’m right. Victory is sweet, devastating and final. Another fundy bites the dust. You can’t pray away the truth Incredible no matter how much religious yammering you post to try to defuse it.
Who says He hasn’t/doesn’t? What “help” should God give them that He has not?
Boris says: New legs. How come God never gives amputees new limbs? Is this miracle too great for your God to perform? Ah yes, the mighty Christian God, easily defeated by chariots of iron, and whose greatest miracle of the modern day is a light show to some people in a field. He truly is an awesome God… ROFL!
That’s what you call a verbal smack down.



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posted December 27, 2009 at 4:22 am


Mr. Incredible:
Jesus never had such-a conversation with the Devil.
Boris excretes:
If you check Mark 1:12-13, Matthew 4:1-11 and Luke 4:1-13 you will see that the Bible says Jesus did indeed have such a conversation with Satan when no one was around.
Mr. Incredible:
The trouble with scoffers is that they read the Word as they do a newspaper, and they think that they trip God up. It’s a Sisyphean errand.
God isn’t tripped up by scoffers’ malicious intentions as they skim the Word in private interpretation. God trips THEM up, as we see in Babbling Boris’ post regarding conversation.



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posted December 27, 2009 at 5:52 am


Babbling Boris excretes:
Boris buries Incredible…
Mr. Incredible:
Not quite. In fact, not at all.
Mr. Incredible:
I can’t believe that I need to explain this to you, but the entire scene surrounding Jesus.
Babbling Boris excretes:
From what scene in the Bible do we have an eyewitness account from outside the Bible that would substantiate what the Bible supposedly claims?
Mr. Incredible:
First, what supposed claims?
Mr. Incredible: The 33 years of Jesus’ life.
Babbling Boris excretes:
If Jesus actually lived you should be able to tell me on exactly what date the 33 years of Jesus’ life began and the exact date it ended. But you can’t. Why not?
Mr. Incredible:
It’s irrelevant. It’s relevant only to KNOW the period of time He lived and that too many to name saw Him and were awed.
Mr. Incredible:
Great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great multitudes who were there and saw for themselves say otherwise. It’s unscientific to reject their testimony.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Whose testimony?
Mr. Incredible
The testimony of those who were there and saw and were awed, who witnessed the seeing and being awed and who heard their testimony and wrote of it.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Not one person out of these great multitudes ever wrote one word about Jesus.
Mr. Incredible:
Yes, at LEAST one — John, the disciple and Revelator.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Not one person from the thousands he supposedly fed, from the crowds many of who [sic] he supposedly healed or the crowds he allegedly spoke to ever wrote one single word about their supposed experience.
Mr. Incredible:
At LEAST one — John, the disciple and Revelator.
Babbling Boris excretes:
What you have is four gospels that claim lots of other people saw something.
Mr. Incredible:
No, the writers were there, too. They saw, were also awed and they wrote about their experience and that others experiened the same things.
Babbling Boris excretes:
That’s like proving the existence of Batman by citing the eyewitness testimony of Robin the Boy Wonder.
Mr. Incredible:
Not even close.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Circular reasoning like that…
Mr. Incredible:
The only circular reasoning is in YOUR spinning head.
Babbling Boris excretes:
…there’s a reason so few people take the Bible literally…
Mr. Incredible:
That’s why only a remnant will be saved.
The Word of God is literally true.
For example, God LITERALLY created the Heaven and the Earth and Man. That actually happened.
Babbling Boris excretes:
… and a reason they’re all at the bottom of the intellectual barrel.
Mr. Incredible:
Translation: “They don’t think like me and, so, they are stupid.”
Mr. Incredible:
I know what I’m talking about, and it ain’t a fairytale.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Since when is a story that has angels speaking, demons being cast out to cure diseases, describes all sorts of magic and miracles not a fairytale?
Mr. Incredible:
Since the beginning.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Since a bunch of churchmen collected these stories and voted on them to be the literary basis for their church?
Babbling Boris excretes:
No.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Uh, sorry to burst your bubble but men voting on books doesn’t change what they are.
Mr. Incredible:
I don’t care about what other men say about it. I care only what God, through Christ, says about it.
Mr. Incredible:
Great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, multitudes who were there and saw for themselves say otherwise.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Why can’t you produce just one account from just one of these witnesses?
Mr. Incredible:
Already done. Several times. You must-a missed it.
Mr. Incredible: How very unscientific of you.
Babbling Boris excretes:
You are the one who claims not to believe in evolution even though it’s taught at every private Christian college and university in the world that teaches science. How very unscientific of you.
Mr. Incredible:
Science is observation. Nobody has observed the beginning of life on Earth from, allegedly, one cell.
On the other hand, if all life on Earth began with one cell, why doesn’t human life begin with one cell in the womb?
Mr. Incredible: It happened, all right. That’s cuz the ones who wrote about it saw them. We have HIS testimony. He didn’t need their testimony to testify that they saw and were awed.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Yes and Rudolph has a red nose because Dancer saw it and we have HIS testimony! Hahahah.
Mr. Incredible:
Produce the testimony of this Dancer. Prove, too, that it is HIS/ITS testimony and not the imagined conduct of the lyricist. Nobody has seen this Dancer. Great….multitudes saw Jesus and those who wrote about Him.
Mr. Incredible:
Of those who were there.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Name the people who were there and what they wrote.
Mr. Incredible:
Already done several times in this post.
Mr. Incredible:
Cuz their testimony is reiterated and reinforced by the testimony of the others who were also there, saw and were awed.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Produce these testimonies.
Mr. Incredible:
They are there for you to read in the Word of God.
Mr. Incredible:
Except that there was mention. Jesus created them.
Babbling Boris excretes:
That’s your response to the fact that there is no evidence that the gospels existed before 190 CE? Cookoo, cookoo, cookoo, cookoo…. Man you are brainwashed.
Mr. Incredible:
Translation: “If you don’t accept what I say to be the truth, you are cookoo.”
Mr. Incredible:
Simply not true. One example is that John, the disciple, wrote everything down soon afterward.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Then how come no one found what he wrote for over 150 years?
Mr. Incredible:
“No one”?
Babbling Boris excretes:
Not even conservative scholars are silly enough to claim John was a disciple of Jesus.
Mr. Incredible:
Translation: “Not even my selected conservative scholars…”
Babbling Boris excretes:
Only preachers do that and they certainly know better.
Mr. Incredible:
We can’t help but claim that John was a disciple of Jesus cuz, after all, he was there and, well, WAS His disciple.
Mr. Incredible: That’s cuz John lived with Jesus.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Prove it.
Mr. Incredible:
John’s testimony is there for you to read. I can’t help it that you don’t receive it.
Babbling Boris excretes:
How come no Bible scholars believe that?
Mr. Incredible:
Translation: “How come none of the scholars I have selected believe that?”
Babbling Boris excretes:
Because they know less about it than you…
Mr. Incredible:
They know less than the Word does about it.
Babbling Boris excretes:
… a person who hasn’t even read the Bible?
Mr. Incredible:
Who is that?
Mr. Incredible:
What fellowship does Righteousness have with unrighteousness? None.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Translated: I will not listen to anything that conflicts with what my Christian cult leaders have brainwashed me to believe – signed Mr. Incredible.
Mr. Incredible:
You haven’t signed on to the idea of originality, have you?
The Word of God says Righteousness does not fellowship with unrighteousness. So, YOU’RE saying that Christ is brainwashed. Yeah, we get it.
Mr. Incredible: There were unbelievers then, and there are unbelievers now. So what?
Babbling Boris excretes:
Why would there be people who didn’t believe Jesus existed back when he supposedly did.
Mr. Incredible:
Maybe they didn’t see Him. Not everybody in the world saw Him.
Babbling Boris excretes:
What about all your testimonies?
Mr. Incredible:
What about them? Those who saw and heard Him saw and heard Him. Those who didn’t, didn’t.
We have the same situation today. I’ve seen and heard Him, and you haven’t. You can’t.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Poof, there were no testimonies and that proves it.
Mr. Incredible:
I’ve already shown that there is testimony. Just cuz you don’t receive it doesn’t mean it’s not true. There are enough who DO receive it. That’s all that’s important. You’re just one person. It’s not necessary to persuade you.
Mr. Incredible:
God doesn’t give the spirit of fear. The way to fight fear is with the Spirit of God’s Truth.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Then why have other people frightened you…
Mr. Incredible:
I’m not frightened. Of course, that won’t stop you from saying that I am. Not very scientific.
Babbling Boris excretes:
… into believing you will go to hell if you don’t believe a silly book of magic and fairies?
Mr. Incredible:
I don’t believe that I will go to Hell if I don’t believe what you call “a silly book of magic and fairies.”
Babbling Boris excretes:
You’re completely frightened out of your infantile, dishonest and evil mind with delusions about hell.
Mr. Incredible:
Actually, I’m not. God didn’t give me a spirit of fear. He protects me from it. It bounces off of me like Superman.
Babbling Boris excretes:
There’s no other way a person believes the retarded crap you do.
Mr. Incredible:
I don’t believe in “retarded crap,” either. That’s why I don’t take you seriously. You’re kind-a a caricature around here.
Mr. Incredible:
Translation: “You don’t agree with me and, so, you must not have read the Word.”
Babbling Boris excretes:
You worship that paper book…
Mr. Incredible:
You’re showing your ignorance… again.
We don’t worship a book.
Babbling Boris excretes:
… like an idol calling it “the Word”…
Mr. Incredible:
Well, it IS the Word. Or, rather, it is the physical manifestation of what is the Spirit.
Babbling Boris excretes:
… and ascribing magical powers to it.
Mr. Incredible:
We don’t ascribe any such thing to that physical manifestation.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Nothing like having other gods and idols to make up for the lack of evidence for your God is there?
Mr. Incredible:
We don’t have other gods and idols. We have God’s Truth.
Mr. Incredible:
If you read carefully, you’ll see that He did not, indeed, engage in conversation with the Devil. He merely responded with the Word of God.
Babbling Boris excretes:
There was no “Word of God” until Christian churchmen invented one in the fourth century.
Mr. Incredible:
(Joh 1:1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(Joh 1:2) The same was in the beginning with God.
Babbling Boris excretes:
The Jewish people do not call their scriptures the “Word of God.”
Mr. Incredible:
I don’t care.
Babbling Boris excretes:
I know. I’m a Jew.
Mr. Incredible:
Well, He will save only a remnant. Those who reject His Son reject Him. Those who reject Him are not among the remnant.
Babbling Boris excretes:
What’s it like to see all your arguments blow up in your face one by one?
Mr. Incredible:
I wouldn’t know. They haven’t yet.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Perhaps you should just go away before you get suicidal.
Mr. Incredible:
Nah. I’ll stay.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Go look at how red your face is in the mirror right now.
Mr. Incredible:
Well, I’ve been in the sun lately.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Mine’s red from laughing at you.
Mr. Incredible:
I don’t care. The Devil out of me, too. Neither do I care about that.
Babbling Boris excretes:
It’s hard to fathom the depths of your stupidity.
Mr. Incredible:
Translation: “You don’t agree with me, and, so, you must be stupid.”
Mr. Incredible:
Conversation with the Devil is what the Word of God calls, “filthy conversation.” Since the Word of God tells us not to have fellowship with the spirit of unrighteousness, conversation with the spirit of unrighteousness would be ungodly. Jesus said no such ungodly conversation.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Where exactly does the Bible say conversation with the devil is “filthy conversation.”
Mr. Incredible:
2 Peter 2:7
Mr. Incredible:
Irrelevant. All three Gospels have different purposes.
Babbling Boris excretes:
If they were historical accounts they would not conflict with each other. Duh.
Mr. Incredible:
They are historical accounts from different viewpoints and for different reasons.
Mr. Incredible:
No need to pretend that they aren’t there; that’s cuz there were no such conversations.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Jesus answered him, “It is written, ‘One does not live by bread alone’” (Luke 4:4); Jesus answered him, “It is written, Worship the Lord your God, and serve only him’” (Luke 4:8); Jesus answered him, “It is said, ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test’” (Luke 4:12). Sorry Incredible but those answers are Jesus speaking directly to Satan himself and are by every definition a conversation.
Mr. Incredible:
They are not answers to the Devil, rather His protecting his mind from the Devil’s onslaught of vexations. There is no point conversing with the Devil cuz, like you, he will not be convinced and will not be sidetracked from his mission of deception.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Once again the Bible believer is shot down in flames…
Mr. Incredible:
That’s what you have imagined in the Charlie Brown head of yours.
Babbling Boris excretes:
… because he didn’t read his Bible …
Mr. Incredible:
I have, and it’s eating you up inside.
Babbling Boris excretes:
and doesn’t know what it actually says.
Mr. Incredible:
I know precisely what He says.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Shooting fish in a barrel.
Mr. Incredible:
I know the feeling.
Mr. Incredible:
Galatians 5:4
Babbling Boris excretes:
Citing Bible verses you don’t even understand yourself to someone who doesn’t believe the Bible proves only how sick and delusional you are.
Mr. Incredible:
Except that YOU wanted proof. I gave it to you. If you didn’t want it, you shouldn’t have asked. As a matter of fact, it doesn’t matter whether you ask, or not.
Mr. Incredible:
Not interested until YOU do the experiment I suggested you do. Of course, you won’t. That’s cuz you’re afraid of what will happen.
Babbling Boris excretes:
I’m not afraid of your religion, you are.
Mr. Incredible:
God did not give us the spirit of fear.
Anyway, Christianity is not our religion. It is a relationship. We are called to relationship with the Father through Christ. Those who receive Christ, receive the Father and are under Grace. Not under the Law.
Jews who reject Christ are still under the Law. You must follow the Law to the letter and to the jot. Violate it in one point, you violate it in all.
Mr. Incredible:
PRAISE THE LORD, IN THE NAME OF JESUS, that I’m not interested in, nor am I impacted by your chronic, acute spasms of bewitchments, curses, wizardry/wizard prismatics, enchantments, spells, enticements, bedevilments, vexations, hexations, dark morals, sorceries, crafty practices, speculative and empty philosophies, nor, in the name of spiritual and mental sanitation, by any other of your pissy, monkey “extracts,” nor by any other “steamy defecations and droppings” you leave in your posts directly from your plane of dark existence.
Babbling Boris excretes:
That’s cuz YOU’RE the one who is really afraid of what will happen if you do what I say.
Mr. Incredible:
If I do what YOU say, I WILL be in trouble.
Babbling Boris excretes:
You just lost the debate Incredible…
Mr. Incredible:
Nothing will stop you from believing that, even though it’s not true.
Babbling Boris excretes:
… folded…
Mr. Incredible:
Not likely.
Babbling Boris excretes:
… crumbled like a cookie…
Mr. Incredible:
Not at all.
Babbling Boris excretes:
… and now you are trembling in fear.
Mr. Incredible:
No fear here cuz God didn’t give me a spirit of fear.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Your “witnesses” proved to be a religious fraud and fantasy.
Mr. Incredible:
That’s cuz you refuse to receive it. Some Science you believe in.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Of course you have no idea how much of a psychopathic cult member that rambling bit of insanity above proves you really are.
Mr. Incredible:
The Devil tells me that, too. However, Romans 8:1 [KJV] pretty much takes care of that.
Babbling Boris excretes:
That last comment is you covering your ears like a small angry child and screaming I can’t hear you.
Mr. Incredible:
It’s true that I can’t hear YOU. You don’t say anything worth hearing.
Babbling Boris excretes:
But you did hear me and loud and clear.
Mr. Incredible:
I DO your noise coming from your direction, and I tune it out.
Babbling Boris excretes:
I can tell you are deathly afraid that I’m right.
Mr. Incredible:
You can tell me that, and it is as untrue as everything else you say.
I’m not afraid that you’re right cuz you aren’t. So, nothing to be afraid of. Anyway, God didn’t give me a spirit of fear.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Victory is sweet, devastating and final.
Mr. Incredible:
1 Corinthians 15:55 [KJV]
Romans 8:37 [KJV]
Romans 8:1 [KJV]
Babbling Boris excretes:
Another fundy bites the dust.
Mr. Incredible:
Which one? Not this one.
Babbling Boris excretes:
You can’t pray away the truth Incredible…
Mr. Incredible:
I want not to pray away the Truth of God’s Word. I don’t care about YOUR word, nor the words of the worldly like you.
Babbling Boris excretes:
… no matter how much religious yammering you post to try to defuse it.
Mr. Incredible:
Jesus already defeated your works of evil.
Mr. Incredible:
Who says He hasn’t/doesn’t? What “help” should God give them that He has not?
Babbling Boris excretes:
New legs. How come God never gives amputees new limbs?
Mr. Incredible:
He has a purpose beyond new limbs. Anyway, amputees don’t need limbs to perform His purpose.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Is this miracle too great for your God to perform?
Mr. Incredible:
Not at all. It’s just not necessary.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Ah yes, the mighty Christian God, easily defeated by chariots of iron, and whose greatest miracle of the modern day is a light show to some people in a field. He truly is an awesome God… ROFL!
Mr. Incredible:
Public relations from the pit of Hell.
Babbling Boris excretes:
That’s what you call a verbal smack down.
Mr. Incredible:
When is it coming? Cuz it ain’t here yet.



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Mr. Incredible

posted December 27, 2009 at 5:55 am


The Devil out of me, too. — — > The Devil laughs at me, too.



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Mr. Incredible

posted December 27, 2009 at 6:14 am


Hey, everybody, you notice the spirit of condemnation that comes from Babbling Boris in every post? That’s the very same spirit of condemnation that infected the Pharisees. It is the spirit of condemnation that is in the Law. Where there is condemnation, there is no Grace.



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posted December 27, 2009 at 3:49 pm


Boris ruins Incredible once and for all:
Mr. Incredible: The trouble with scoffers is that they read the Word as they do a newspaper, and they think that they trip God up. It’s a Sisyphean errand.
Boris says: The trouble with Bible believers is that when they see their claims refuted they simply move the goal posts back and act like nothing has happened. This logical fallacy is known as ad hoc reasoning, or an explanation offered after the fact. It’s a common apologetic practice to fall back on an alternative solution once the foundation of the original position has crumbled. Notice Incredible now has to admit Jesus did indeed have a conversation with the devil but that this conversation must be interpreted some other way than literally. The Bible is always to be taken literally unless it is just too absurd to believe and then it has to be allegory. No dice loser.
God isn’t tripped up by scoffers’ malicious intentions as they skim the Word in private interpretation. God trips THEM up, as we see in Babbling Boris’ post regarding conversation.
Boris says: So God purposely fools people for the express purpose of sending them to hell for their unbelief. Then we get the absurd and obviously contradictory claim that God doesn’t really want to send anyone to hell but is forced to because of his holiness. So the Christian God is tossed about by circumstance just like the rest of us proving that God is created in the image of man.
Mr. Incredible: It’s irrelevant. It’s relevant only to KNOW the period of time He lived and that too many to name saw Him and were awed.
Boris says: Where are these “too many” people’s testimonies? Stop ignoring this request liar.
Mr. Incredible: Yes, at LEAST one — John, the disciple and Revelator.
Boris says: I had five years of Ancient Greek. The Gospel of John was not written by John of Patmos, whoever he was. They have two different authors. The author of John’s Gospel was a functional illiterate with a vocabulary smaller than even yours.
Mr. Incredible: No, the writers were there, too. They saw, were also awed and they wrote about their experience and that others experienced the same things.
Boris says: We can prove the gospels were not written by eyewitnesses and were not written before 170 CE.
Mr. Incredible: The only circular reasoning is in YOUR spinning head.
Boris says: Insults and character attacks only prove the weakness of your position and that you have no evidence or arguments to support your religious delusions.
Mr. Incredible: That’s why only a remnant will be saved.
The Word of God is literally true.
Boris says: You people have to sing and chant the same phrases over and over and over and over again. Brainwashing at its most effective.
For example, God LITERALLY created the Heaven and the Earth and Man. That actually happened.
Boris says: The Genesis 1 creation account conflicts with the order of events that are known to science. Genesis 1:1 The earth is created before light and stars, birds and whales before reptiles and insects, and flowering plants before any animals. From science, we know that the true order of events was just the opposite. How come the Bible gets the order of creation exactly backwards? ROFL!
Mr. Incredible: Science is observation. Nobody has observed the beginning of life on Earth from, allegedly, one cell.
Boris says: Nonsense. We can’t observe atoms but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Forensics puts murderers in jail all the time even though no crime was ever observed.
On the other hand, if all life on Earth began with one cell, why doesn’t human life begin with one cell in the womb?
Boris says: If the first woman was created from a rib why aren’t all women created from ribs? I love burying creationists with their own stupidity.
Mr. Incredible: Produce the testimony of this Dancer. Prove, too, that it is HIS/ITS testimony and not the imagined conduct of the lyricist. Nobody has seen this Dancer. Great….multitudes saw Jesus and those who wrote about Him.
Boris says: Produce the testimony of this Bible. Prove, too, that it is HIS/ITS testimony and not the imagined conduct of the lyricist. Nobody has seen this Jesus.
Mr. Incredible: They are there for you to read in the Word of God.
Boris says: That’s not good enough. I need testimonies from OUTSIDE of the Bible that prove the testimonies inside the Bible are true. You don’t have any. So therefore you cannot prove anything in the Bible even might be true.
Mr. Incredible: Simply not true. One example is that John, the disciple, wrote everything down soon afterward.
Boris says: Where is your evidence for that claim? The Bible says it so you believe it. That isn’t good enough for anyone with a functional brain.
Mr. Incredible: Translation: “Not even my selected conservative scholars…”
Boris says: Let’s see your list of scholars who are bold enough to claim any of the authors of the gospels were disciples who knew Jesus. Then provide me with the evidence that they use to support this absurd claim. You’ll just ignore this like you selectively do much of what I write.
Mr. Incredible: We can’t help but claim that John was a disciple of Jesus cuz, after all, he was there and, well, WAS His disciple.
Boris says: Prove it.
Mr. Incredible: That’s cuz John lived with Jesus.
Boris says: Prove it.
Mr. Incredible: John’s testimony is there for you to read. I can’t help it that you don’t receive it.
Boris says: I’ve read it and in Greek. You haven’t and so you don’t even know what it actually says.
The Word of God says Righteousness does not fellowship with unrighteousness. So, YOU’RE saying that Christ is brainwashed. Yeah, we get it.
Boris says: Christ never existed and I already gave you the way to prove this to yourself. But you don’t want to know the truth because the truth says you aren’t going to live forever. You’re too frightened and immature to accept that.
We have the same situation today. I’ve seen and heard Him, and you haven’t. You can’t.
Boris says: So Jesus appears to you visibly and speaks to you in an audible voice huh? Cookoo, cookoo, cookoo, cookoo…
Mr. Incredible: Actually, I’m not. God didn’t give me a spirit of fear. He protects me from it. It bounces off of me like Superman.
Boris says: So do facts.
Mr. Incredible: I don’t believe in “retarded crap,” either. That’s why I don’t take you seriously. You’re kind-a a caricature around here.
Boris says: Oh please. No one disagrees with me here except you and Cara. Everyone on this blog makes fun of you and your ignorant and stupid posts. No one agrees with you except for the fictional characters you invent like harryoutdoors.
We don’t worship a book.
Boris says: “We bow our knees to the authority of the Bible.” – Hank Handmegraft. Do you disagree with your cult leader?
Mr. Incredible: Well, it IS the Word. Or, rather, it is the physical manifestation of what is the Spirit.
Boris says: In other words the Bible is a paper idol.
Mr. Incredible: 2 Peter 2:7
They are historical accounts from different viewpoints and for different reasons.
Boris says: Historical narratives do not contain word for word dialog with people speaking in complete sentences. Only fictive narratives do that proving the gospels as well as the rest of the Bible is 100% fiction.
Mr. Incredible:
They are not answers to the Devil, rather His protecting his mind from the Devil’s onslaught of vexations. There is no point conversing with the Devil cuz, like you, he will not be convinced and will not be sidetracked from his mission of deception.
Boris says: Why does God have to protect his mind from the devil? ROFL!
Mr. Incredible: I have, and it’s eating you up inside.
Boris says: Then tell us all how the Midianites were totally destroyed to the last person and then reappear a generation later so numerous they were like locusts on the land. Oops, looks like you didn’t notice that little discrepancy. Don’t ignore this insurmountable problem Incredible.
Anyway, Christianity is not our religion. It is a relationship. We are called to relationship with the Father through Christ. Those who receive Christ, receive the Father and are under Grace. Not under the Law.
Boris says: If Christianity isn’t a religion then you won’t mind if we yank your religious tax exemptions. Christianity – the religion that isn’t a religion but demands to be given religious tax exemptions. How hypocritical can you Christers get?
Jews who reject Christ are still under the Law. You must follow the Law to the letter and to the jot. Violate it in one point, you violate it in all.
Boris says: The only laws anyone needs to obey are the laws of the land and state they live in. You’re a pathological liar who has been caught spewing dozens of lies right here on this blog, so you are breaking the religious commandments you demand the rest of us obey.
Mr. Incredible: If I do what YOU say, I WILL be in trouble.
Boris says: With whom, a magical mind reading fairy? ROFL!
Mr. Incredible: The Devil tells me that, too. However, Romans 8:1 [KJV] pretty much takes care of that.
Boris says: Creationist loonies can always blame their crushing defeats in debates with unbelievers are supernatural intervention from the devil. You sound like Church Lady on Saturday Night Live. Hahaha.
Mr. Incredible: It’s true that I can’t hear YOU. You don’t say anything worth hearing.
Boris says: Thanks for admitting what a closed minded buffoon you are.
Mr. Incredible: He has a purpose beyond new limbs. Anyway, amputees don’t need limbs to perform His purpose.
Boris says: So God can’t create new limbs. Why not?
Hey, everybody, you notice the spirit of condemnation that comes from Babbling Boris in every post? That’s the very same spirit of condemnation that infected the Pharisees. It is the spirit of condemnation that is in the Law. Where there is condemnation, there is no Grace.
Boris says: Hey, everybody, you notice the spirit of willful ignorance that comes from Babbling Incredible in every post? That’s the very same spirit of ignorance that infects the rest of the creationist loonies. It is the spirit of ignorance that is in the Bible. Where there ignorance, there is Christianity.



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posted December 27, 2009 at 10:53 pm


Babbling Boris excretes:
Boris ruins Incredible once and for all…
Mr. Incredible:
Hardly.
Mr. Incredible: The trouble with scoffers is that they read the Word as they do a newspaper, and they think that they trip God up. It’s a Sisyphean errand.
Babbling Boris excretes:
The trouble with Bible believers is that when they see their claims refuted they simply move the goal posts back and act like nothing has happened.
Mr. Incredible:
Many do. This one doesn’t.
Babbling Boris excretes:
This logical fallacy is known as ad hoc reasoning, or an explanation offered after the fact.
Mr. Incredible:
WHEW! It’s a good thing I’m not guilty of that.
Babbling Boris excretes:
It’s a common apologetic practice to fall back on an alternative solution once the foundation of the original position has crumbled.
Mr. Incredible:
WHEW! It’s a good thing that my original position has not crumbled.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Notice Incredible now has to admit Jesus did indeed have a conversation with the devil…
Mr. Incredible:
You’re a liar! The Devil lies, too. Coincidence? Heh.
I never would say that Jesus had a conversation with the Devil in the wilderness cuz I know He didn’t. He wouldn’t have. Jesus didn’t engage in filthy conversation.
Babbling Boris excretes:
… but that this conversation must be interpreted some other way than literally.
Mr. Incredible:
I’ve seen the passages the same way all along: Jesus had no conversation with the Devil.
Babbling Boris excretes:
The Bible is always to be taken literally…
Mr. Incredible:
All the events in the Word of God REALLY happened. Literally happened — that is, for instance, God REALLY DID create Heaven and Earth.
Babbling Boris excretes:
… unless it is just too absurd to believe and then it has to be allegory.
Mr. Incredible:
That’s the way YOU operate. I don’t.
Babbling Boris excretes:
No dice loser.
Mr. Incredible:
Romans 8:1 [KJV]
Mr. Incredible:
God isn’t tripped up by scoffers’ malicious intentions as they skim the Word in private interpretation. God trips THEM up, as we see in Babbling Boris’ post regarding conversation.
Babbling Boris excretes:
So God purposely fools people for the express purpose of sending them to hell for their unbelief.
Mr. Incredible:
Equal those who reject Him and His Son into believing and saying foolish things, such as what YOU believe.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Then we get the absurd and obviously contradictory claim that God doesn’t really want to send anyone to hell but is forced to because of his holiness.
Mr. Incredible:
God sends no one to Hell. They condemn themselves by rejecting Him and His Son.
Babbling Boris excretes:
So the Christian God is tossed about by circumstance just like the rest of us…
Mr. Incredible:
Of course, YOU would like to think so. Yet, He is still on His Throne.
Babbling Boris excretes:
… proving that God is created in the image of man.
Mr. Incredible:
Yes, those who reject God and His Son are left to create a god in their own image, as YOU have done.
Mr. Incredible: It’s irrelevant. It’s relevant only to KNOW the period of time He lived and that too many to name saw Him and were awed.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Where are these “too many” people’s testimonies? Stop ignoring this request liar.
Babbling Boris excretes:
I happened, you liar. Their testimonies are included in the testimony of those who wrote the Holy Spirit’s dictation.
Mr. Incredible: Yes, at LEAST one — John, the disciple and Revelator.
Babbling Boris excretes:
I had five years of Ancient Greek.
Mr. Incredible:
I’m not impressed.
Babbling Boris excretes:
The Gospel of John was not written by John of Patmos, whoever he was.
Mr. Incredible:
Yes, it was.
Babbling Boris excretes:
They have two different authors.
Mr. Incredible:
I believe the Word of God, not you. You are a liar and, thus, unreliable. The Devil is a liar, too. Coincidence?
Babbling Boris excretes:
The author of John’s Gospel was a functional illiterate…
Mr. Incredible:
Whether true, or not, the Holy Spirit helped him. John didn’t need to be a genius.
Mr. Incredible: No, the writers were there, too. They saw, were also awed and they wrote about their experience and that others experienced the same things.
Babbling Boris excretes:
We can prove the gospels were not written by eyewitnesses and were not written before 170 CE.
Mr. Incredible:
YOUR “proof.” The Word of God is all I need. He rises WWAAAAYYYY above your “proof.”
Mr. Incredible: The only circular reasoning is in YOUR spinning head.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Insults and character attacks only prove the weakness of your position and that you have no evidence or arguments to support your religious delusions.
Mr. Incredible:
The things I write are blowback from the fire YOU started.
Anyway, I presented evidence and arguments to support my Knowledge. You don’t receive it. So what?
Mr. Incredible: That’s why only a remnant will be saved.
The Word of God is literally true.
Babbling Boris excretes:
You people have to sing and chant the same phrases over and over and over and over again.
Mr. Incredible:
YOU’VE been posting the same things over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. I’m merely answering you over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Brainwashing at its most effective.
Mr. Incredible:
Then you ought-ta stop trying to do it.
Mr. Incredible:
For example, God LITERALLY created the Heaven and the Earth and Man. That actually happened.
Babbling Boris excretes:
The Genesis 1 creation account conflicts with the order of events that are known to science.
Mr. Incredible:
You mean “speculated” by Science.
The Word of God is not necessarily chronological. It doesn’t have-ta be. Scoffers can’t get that.
Where there is conflict with the world, the Word of God is the Truth. I’ll go with Truth over speculation anytime.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Genesis 1:1 The earth is created before light and stars, birds and whales before reptiles and insects, and flowering plants before any animals. From science, we know that the true order of events was just the opposite. How come the Bible gets the order of creation exactly backwards? ROFL!
Mr. Incredible:
The Word of God is not necessarily chronological. It doesn’t have-ta be. Scoffers can’t get that.
Mr. Incredible: Science is observation. Nobody has observed the beginning of life on Earth from, allegedly, one cell.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Nonsense.
Mr. Incredible:
No, it is sense. It’s over both of your heads.
Babbling Boris excretes:
We can’t observe atoms but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
Mr. Incredible:
So, just cuz you can’t see God doesn’t mean that He doesn’t exist. Well, it’s a start that you finally agree with us.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Forensics puts murderers in jail all the time even though no crime was ever observed.
Mr. Incredible:
However, in the vast majority of cases, SOMEBODY saw the crime, or the events immediately after. Forensics is not speculation.
On the other hand, nobody was at, nor near, the time you people speculate that all life began with one cell. There is no direct evidence, only speculation.
Now, if all life on Earth began with one cell, why doesn’t human life begin with one cell in the womb? We can observe that directly.
Babbling Boris excretes:
If the first woman was created from a rib why aren’t all women created from ribs?
Mr. Incredible:
Cuz the first woman was a template.
Babbling Boris excretes:
I love burying creationists with their own stupidity.
Mr. Incredible:
Except that, in this case, that hasn’t happened.
Mr. Incredible: Produce the testimony of this Dancer. Prove, too, that it is HIS/ITS testimony and not the imagined conduct of the lyricist. Nobody has seen this Dancer. Great….multitudes saw Jesus and those who wrote about Him.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Produce the testimony of this Bible.
Mr. Incredible:
Already done. It went over your two heads.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Prove, too, that it is HIS/ITS testimony and not the imagined conduct of the lyricist.
Mr. Incredible:
Already done. It went over your two heads.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Nobody has seen this Jesus.
Mr. Incredible:
Except those who did and wrote about it.
Mr. Incredible: They are there for you to read in the Word of God.
Babbling Boris excretes:
That’s not good enough.
Mr. Incredible:
Tuff.
Babbling Boris excretes:
I need testimonies from OUTSIDE of the Bible that prove the testimonies inside the Bible are true.
Mr. Incredible:
http://www.sign2god.com/ww/Jesus-exists.html
Babbling Boris excretes:
You don’t have any.
Mr. Incredible:
Except that I do, and that’s the second time in two days that I’ve given you the evidence. You simply — and I stress “simply” — refuse the proof. I can’t help that. You must take responsibility for your own ignorance.
Babbling Boris excretes:
So therefore you cannot prove anything in the Bible even might be true.
Mr. Incredible:
No need to do now what I’ve already done over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
Mr. Incredible: Simply not true. One example is that John, the disciple, wrote everything down soon afterward.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Where is your evidence for that claim?
Mr. Incredible:
In the writings of the one and one who were there.
Babbling Boris excretes:
The Bible says it so you believe it.
Mr. Incredible:
To YOU, Science says something is true and, just cuz Science says it, you have faith in what Science says is true, even though you didn’t do any of the experiment yourself to see whether what Science says is true is really true.
Babbling Boris excretes:
That isn’t good enough for anyone with a functional brain.
Mr. Incredible:
That you don’t have a functional brain isn’t my problem.
Mr. Incredible: Translation: “Not even my selected conservative scholars…”
Babbling Boris excretes:
Let’s see your list of scholars who are bold enough to claim any of the authors of the gospels were disciples who knew Jesus.
Mr. Incredible:
I have the Word of God that says it. You can do the research yourself. Of course, you done the research, but have accepted only the ones who support your errors.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Then provide me with the evidence that they use to support this absurd claim.
Mr. Incredible:
They used their research which doesn’t align with bonehead atheist research.
Babbling Boris excretes:
You’ll just ignore this like you selectively do much of what I write.
Mr. Incredible:
I’ve ignored nothing. I’ve enjoyed playing this game. You don’t know how easy it is for me to write and post quickly.
Mr. Incredible: We can’t help but claim that John was a disciple of Jesus cuz, after all, he was there and, well, WAS His disciple.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Prove it.
Mr. Incredible:
Already done by the Word, by me and by scholars.
Mr. Incredible: That’s cuz John lived with Jesus.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Prove it.
Mr. Incredible:
Already done by the Word, by me and by scholars.
Mr. Incredible: John’s testimony is there for you to read. I can’t help it that you don’t receive it.
Babbling Boris excretes:
I’ve read it and in Greek.
Mr. Incredible:
Which Greek version? The Greek atheist version? I thought so.
Babbling Boris excretes:
You haven’t…
Mr. Incredible:
It’s correct to say that I haven’t read the Greek atheist version. That would engage me in a filthy conversation.
Babbling Boris excretes:
… and so you don’t even know what it actually says.
Mr. Incredible:
My first Reference is the Word, not some Greek atheist version of Him.
Mr. Incredible:
The Word of God says Righteousness does not fellowship with unrighteousness. So, YOU’RE saying that Christ is brainwashed. Yeah, we get it.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Christ never existed…
Mr. Incredible:
I’ve already shown you that He did.
Babbling Boris excretes:
… and I already gave you the way to prove this to yourself.
Mr. Incredible:
You’ve given us nothing but filthy atheism.
Babbling Boris excretes:
But you don’t want to know the truth…
Mr. Incredible:
It’s enough that I know the Truth. I don’t care about YOUR “truth.”
Babbling Boris excretes:
… because the truth…
Mr. Incredible:
YOUR truth, not God’s.
Babbling Boris excretes:
… says you aren’t going to live forever.
Mr. Incredible:
YOUR truth and the Devil’s truth says that. I believe God’s Truth, and He says I will live forever.
Babbling Boris excretes:
You’re too frightened…
Mr. Incredible:
God did not give me a spirit of fear. So, I’m not afraid.
Babbling Boris excretes:
… and immature to accept that.
Mr. Incredible:
No, I believe God too much to accept that. I don’t except that the Devil and you say.
Mr. Incredible:
We have the same situation today. I’ve seen and heard Him, and you haven’t. You can’t.
Babbling Boris excretes:
So Jesus appears to you visibly…
Mr. Incredible:
1 Corinthians 2:14
Babbling Boris excretes:
… and speaks to you in an audible voice huh?
Mr. Incredible:
Yes. He sure is amazing, huh.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Cookoo, cookoo, cookoo, cookoo…
Mr. Incredible:
Romans 8:1 [KJV]
Mr. Incredible: Actually, I’m not. God didn’t give me a spirit of fear. He protects me from it. It bounces off of me like Superman.
Babbling Boris excretes:
So do facts.
Mr. Incredible:
YOUR “facts.”
Mr. Incredible: I don’t believe in “retarded crap,” either. That’s why I don’t take you seriously. You’re kind-a a caricature around here.
Babbling Boris excretes:
No one disagrees with me here except you and Cara.
Mr. Incredible:
Salvation isn’t subject to a popularity contest. So, I don’t care. You, on the other hand, do care about agreeing with the world. That’s what the Pharisees were about.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Everyone on this blog makes fun of you and your ignorant and stupid posts.
Mr. Incredible:
Romans 8:1 [KJV]
Babbling Boris excretes:
No one agrees with you…
Mr. Incredible:
Except God and His Son, and They are all I care about.
Mr. Incredible:
We don’t worship a book.
Babbling Boris excretes:
“We bow our knees to the authority of the Bible.” – Hank Handmegraft.
Mr. Incredible:
Whoever that is, first of all, no one can bow his knees. Physically impossible. Knees are bent.
Whoever that is, second of all, he says we worship the AUTHORITY, not the Book. He recognizes that the physical book is a manifestation of the real Thing. Christ is the Authority. The physical book — the manifestation of Him — is the written record of His Authority in a form to which we can have access and understand.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Do you disagree with your cult leader?
Mr. Incredible:
We’re not part of a cult. What we have is relationship with God through Christ. Islam, for instance, is a cult of rules, not relationship.
Therefore, I don’t have a cult leader.
Mr. Incredible: Well, it IS the Word. Or, rather, it is the physical manifestation of what is the Spirit.
Babbling Boris excretes:
In other words the Bible is a paper idol.
Mr. Incredible:
No. I don’t worship the book. I worship the Spirit of the book. After all, Christ says that His Words are spirit.
Mr. Incredible: 2 Peter 2:7
They are historical accounts from different viewpoints and for different reasons.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Historical narratives do not contain word for word dialog with people speaking in complete sentences.
Mr. Incredible:
Irrelevant. The Word of God is still a historical narrative. You don’t have to agree. Enough do.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Only fictive narratives do that…
Mr. Incredible:
In YOUR mind. You must believe that in order to justify what you say you “think.” If “thinking” is what you call it.
Babbling Boris excretes:
… proving the gospels as well as the rest of the Bible is 100% fiction.
Mr. Incredible:
In YOUR mind, anyway.
Mr. Incredible:
They are not answers to the Devil, rather His protecting his mind from the Devil’s onslaught of vexations. There is no point conversing with the Devil cuz, like you, he will not be convinced and will not be sidetracked from his mission of deception.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Why does God have to protect his mind from the devil? ROFL!
Mr. Incredible:
The Word is God. He was showing us how to do it. IT WORKS!
Mr. Incredible: I have, and it’s eating you up inside.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Then tell us all how the Midianites were totally destroyed to the last person and then reappear a generation later so numerous they were like locusts on the land. Oops, looks like you didn’t notice that little discrepancy. Don’t ignore this insurmountable problem Incredible.
Mr. Incredible:
Except that they weren’t “totally destroyed to the last person.”
It’s not unexpected that you would misrepresent anything written in the Word of God. After all, that’s what the Devil does, too.
Mr. Incredible:
Anyway, Christianity is not our religion. It is a relationship. We are called to relationship with the Father through Christ. Those who receive Christ, receive the Father and are under Grace. Not under the Law.
Babbling Boris excretes:
If Christianity isn’t a religion then you won’t mind if we yank your religious tax exemptions.
Mr. Incredible:
I don’t care what men call it. God calls us to relationship, not religion. The Pharisees were religion. They were Jews.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Christianity – the religion that isn’t a religion but demands to be given religious tax exemptions. How hypocritical can you Christers get?
Mr. Incredible:
We don’t “demand” tax exemptions. We get them to help avoid any violation of the so-called “separation of Church and State.” If the so-called “separation of Church and State” is valid, you will want to tax exemptions to continue.
Mr. Incredible:
Jews who reject Christ are still under the Law. You must follow the Law to the letter and to the jot. Violate it in one point, you violate it in all.
Babbling Boris excretes:
The only laws anyone needs to obey are the laws of the land and state they live in.
Mr. Incredible:
That’s what the Devil says, too. Coincidence?
Babbling Boris excretes:
You’re a pathological liar…
Mr. Incredible:
The Devil called me that, too. So what? Romans 8:1 [KJV].
Babbling Boris excretes:
… who has been caught spewing dozens of lies right here on this blog…
Mr. Incredible:
Translation: “You’ve been caught dozens of times not agreeing with us, not surrendering to us right here on this blog.”
Babbling Boris excretes:
… so you are breaking the religious commandments…
Mr. Incredible:
I’m not, but that won’t stop you from saying that I am.
Anyway, I’m under Grace, not Law. Plus, I am in a relationship with God, through Christ, not in religion.
Babbling Boris excretes:
… you demand the rest of us obey.
Mr. Incredible:
I’m not responsible to demand any such thing. If you are disobedient, YOU pay the price, not I.
Mr. Incredible:
If I do what YOU say, I WILL be in trouble.
Babbling Boris excretes:
With whom, a magical mind reading fairy? ROFL!
Mr. Incredible:
No. With God. I love Him too much to be disobedient.
Mr. Incredible: The Devil tells me that, too. However, Romans 8:1 [KJV] pretty much takes care of that.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Creationist loonies can always blame their crushing defeats in debates with unbelievers are supernatural intervention from the devil.
Mr. Incredible:
No one who knows the Word of God does that.
The Devil has no authority over anyone who doesn’t give him the authority.
Babbling Boris excretes:
You sound like Church Lady on Saturday Night Live. Hahaha.
Mr. Incredible:
Romans 8:1 [KJV]
Mr. Incredible:
It’s true that I can’t hear YOU. You don’t say anything worth hearing.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Thanks for admitting what a closed minded buffoon you are.
Mr. Incredible:
Romans 8:1 [KJV]
Mr. Incredible: He has a purpose beyond new limbs. Anyway, amputees don’t need limbs to perform His purpose.
Babbling Boris excretes:
So God can’t create new limbs.
Mr. Incredible:
I didn’t say that.
Babbling Boris excretes:
Why not?
Mr. Incredible:
I didn’t say He can’t. His purpose goes beyond that.
Mr. Incredible:
Babbling Boris excretes:
Hey, everybody, you notice the spirit of willful ignorance that comes from Babbling Incredible in every post? That’s the very same spirit of ignorance that infects the rest of the creationist loonies. It is the spirit of ignorance that is in the Bible. Where there ignorance, there is Christianity.
Mr. Incredible:
So, you don’t buy into this idea of originality, do you.
Hey, everybody, you notice the spirit of condemnation that comes from Babbling Boris in every post? That’s the very same spirit of condemnation that infected the Pharisees. It is the spirit of condemnation that is in the Law. Where there is condemnation, there is no Grace.



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posted February 11, 2010 at 1:14 am


Though I agree wholly that individuals should be able to express themselves during the holidays in any way they see fit, I see no problem with businesses deciding how they want their customers addressed, whether it’s “Merry Christmas” or not. They, as private companies, reserve the right to do so, and if you disagree, you can take your business elsewhere. This really isn’t a matter of imposing religion on one another, it’s a matter of free speech.
But honestly, can’t we all just get along?
As a nation that prides itself on its diversity (both ethnically and with our beliefs), on this issue, shouldn’t we be able to agree to disagree?
Really, I don’t have to like you or agree with you to share this world peacefully.



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