Lynn v. Sekulow

Lynn v. Sekulow


Why Push Catholic Moral Theology?

posted by Rev. Barry W. Lynn

Jay,

 

I’d like to turn our focus away from Planned Parenthood and on to the Catholic Bishops.

 

As I’m sure you know, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops persuaded Congress nearly single-handedly this weekend to add an amendment to the House health care bill that essentially bars insurance companies participating in government sponsored “insurance exchanges” from covering abortions. That’s right, they’ve succeeded in their push to interject their religious doctrine into America’s health care legislation.

 

I will be working with many others to try to get this language is stripped from the bill before it makes it to the President’s desk. It would be appalling if this fairly modest reform of health care has come at the expense of women’s reproductive rights. Last I checked, Roe v. Wade is still the law of the land, which means this bill is cutting off access to a legal health procedure in most of the nation’s insurance plans.

But for a moment, let’s just put aside the abortion discussion and the horrific fact that the Catholic Church was willing to kill health care for the sick and poor if the Democrats didn’t give them this amendment. What many people are now questioning is how one religious group can be such a lobbying powerhouse and not have to abide by any of the same standards and requirements as other tax-exempt organizations do when they operate on Capitol Hill.

As executive director of a tax-exempt group myself, I know our lobbyists have to meet certain strict requirements to be able to do their job. I also know that religious organizations, also tax-exempt groups, have no such requirements. It’s a free-for-all for these groups, and they are using the benefit of their tax exemption to fund strong lobbying arms.

After all, no one elected the Catholic Bishops to Congress. They’re not even representing the 68 percent of Catholics who say the church would be wrong to oppose the entire health-care reform plan merely because it includes coverage for abortion. In fact, a recent poll taken by Catholics for Choice shows that most Catholics support abortion coverage in health care reform, especially in cases of rape, incest and fetal abnormality. So how is it possible that the Catholic Bishops have determined what Americans as a whole want in health care reform?

I think it’s time we reconsider these laws regulating the lobbying done by religious institutions. This recent development shows unparalleled arrogance on the part of church officials. Is there really any reason why they should not be subjected to the same rules and regulations as every other tax-exempt organization on the Hill? What do you think, Jay?

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Daniel Webb

posted November 11, 2009 at 6:59 pm


“As I’m sure you know, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops persuaded Congress nearly single-handedly this weekend to add an amendment to the House health care bill that essentially bars insurance companies participating in government sponsored “insurance exchanges” from covering abortions.”
I’m pretty sure that’s not true. They did not do it “single-handedly.” Millions of concerned citizens like myself signed petitions. I know the ACLJ was involved in trying to get legislation like that through. It’s not Catholics forcing their religious doctrine. It’s America speaking.



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kenneth

posted November 11, 2009 at 8:01 pm


The church has been blatantly thumbing its nose at the law in recent years by doing direct lobbying from the pulpit and funnelling many millions of dollars into poltical campaigns not only for abortion but gay marriage issues as well. Bishops have threatnened to deny communion to those who vote Democrat and the bishop’s conference has made it abundantly clear that the GOP is the church’s official party. They are not alone in this of course. The LDS also injected plenty of money into the gay marriage debate, and countless individual pastors have done their own politicking. They should have their tax-exempt status revoked or at the least be forced to incorporate separate entities for lobbying and to pay tax on every dime raised and spent by them.



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N. Lindzee Lindholm

posted November 11, 2009 at 8:54 pm


What you call arrogance is the Catholic bishops’ absolute right to exercise free speech through lobbying efforts. Their message certainly is not a violation of the Establishment Clause and they have every privilege of being proactive in their fight against abortion. Go U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops!
Just because Roe v. Wade happens to be the law of the land does not mean we the American people have to support the killing of babies in large quantities through federal taxpayer dollars, especially since a recent 2009 Gallup poll showed that the majority of Americans do not support abortion. Let me ask you this: How many MILLIONS OF LIVES will be taken as a result of government funding of the choice movement? A comparison of this numeric figure against the numbers of sick and poor will certainly give you a run for your money.



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Gwyddion9

posted November 11, 2009 at 9:05 pm


While individual churches and religions may not approve of abortion, I do not think that a religious tradition should have sway or power in the laws of our country. I mean this for ANY religion, including mine.
If the adherents do not want to have an abortion, fine don’t have one but it annoys me that religious groups think that the country should be governed by their religious beliefs and that people, in the U.S., should have to follow them.
If abortion should become illegal, I, personally, would assist, in any way possible, to help a woman have an abortion should she choose to do so. Abortion was illegal before and many women died as a result of having to perform them either for themselves or have them done by less than reputable people.
The desire, by some, to create a theocracy in the U.S. should be fought any way possible. One of the things I would like to see happen in this country is to have ALL tax exempt statuses of churches removed, for all religions in the U.S. If a religion wants to play politics, then let them pay for it.



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Your Name

posted November 12, 2009 at 1:02 am


Be careful what you wish for. If you take away the tax-exempt muzzle away from The Church and all other churches then you will be taking off the muzzle that has been put on the Priest and pastors and they will speak out more freely and forcefully on every subject not just healthcare.
By the way The Bishops do have a the right to speak their mind on this issue since they in affect run about 650 hospitals in the US and about 1 out of every 5 Americans is receiving care from the Catholic Church through their hospitals. Also, the Church does not recognize Catholics for choice as a Catholic group so they have no standing on Catholic matters. Plus what else do you think their poll would find. duh



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Mr. Incredible

posted November 12, 2009 at 3:32 am


Daniel Webb
November 11, 2009 6:59 PM
“As I’m sure you know, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops persuaded Congress nearly single-handedly this weekend to add an amendment to the House health care bill that essentially bars insurance companies participating in government sponsored “insurance exchanges” from covering abortions.”
I’m pretty sure that’s not true. They did not do it “single-handedly.” Millions of concerned citizens like myself signed petitions. I know the ACLJ was involved in trying to get legislation like that through. It’s not Catholics forcing their religious doctrine. It’s America speaking.
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PRAISE THE LORD! for your clarity!



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Mr. Incredible

posted November 12, 2009 at 3:43 am


Gwyddion9
November 11, 2009 9:05 PM
… I do not think that a religious tradition should have sway or power in the laws of our country.
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It’s not the power it wields, rather the power Lib leaders perceive coming down the road next November. Libs did not have to accept what the bishops said. They could’ve just gone their own, merry way, and taken their chances next November. Those chances don’t look very good, anyway.
Gwyddion9
November 11, 2009 9:05 PM
If the adherents do not want to have an abortion, fine don’t have one…
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However, it’s not whether WE want one, or not, but whether the unborn person gets the same Due Process all persons get.
Gwyddion9
November 11, 2009 9:05 PM
… but it annoys me that religious groups think that the country should be governed by their religious beliefs…
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That’s more Lib propaganda.
Gwyddion9
November 11, 2009 9:05 PM
If abortion should become illegal, I, personally, would assist, in any way possible, to help a woman have an abortion should she choose to do so.
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See? The woman would still have the Right to choose.
Gwyddion9
November 11, 2009 9:05 PM
Abortion was illegal before and many women died as a result of having to perform them either for themselves or have them done by less than reputable people.
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What you mean to say is that they chose to perform their own abortions, or have less than reputable people perform them. They STILL had choice. Their choice, their responsibility, their guilt.
Gwyddion9
November 11, 2009 9:05 PM
The desire, by some, to create a theocracy in the U.S….
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Nobody is trying to create a theocracy in the United States.
Gwyddion9
November 11, 2009 9:05 PM
One of the things I would like to see happen in this country is to have ALL tax exempt statuses of churches removed…
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So, now, to YOUR way of thinking, there’s an exception to the so-called “separation of Church and State.”
Gwyddion9
November 11, 2009 9:05 PM
If a religion wants to play politics…
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What’s “play politics”?
Gwyddion9
November 11, 2009 9:05 PM
… then let them pay for it.
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So, if one wants to “play politics,” he should have to pay for it. How much are YOU paying for your Right to “play politics”?



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hootie1fan

posted November 12, 2009 at 9:38 am


Take away tax emepy status would show you just how unwilling some religious leaders are to pay taxes. They want it both ways: to skirt the law AND maintain their failities tax emept status.



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Rich

posted November 12, 2009 at 6:51 pm


Gwuddion9,
I had to laugh at Mr. Incredible’s imbecilic response to you:
Gwyddion9
November 11, 2009 9:05 PM
… but it annoys me that religious groups think that the country should be governed by their religious beliefs…
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(Mr. Incredible’s response)
That’s more Lib propaganda.
Wow, this is standard for this guy. Instead of putting together some argument that disproves your assertion, he just throws out some overly broad generality. The trouble with that is that, while likely pleasing to the FOX News crowd, it just doesn’t have any substance.
But, on the bright side, at least he didn’t quote chapter and verse from his cult’s one and only book.



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BAC

posted November 12, 2009 at 9:38 pm


Progressives need to remind Senate and House members of two things: 1) The Catholic Bishops DO NOT speak for ALL Catholics, or all people of faith. And 2) The Catholic Bishops have no moral authority on matters related to sexuality. Until they clean up their house, they have no business in mine!



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Cornelius

posted December 15, 2009 at 1:56 am


Barry,
Would you be opposed to a universal single payer system which did not fund abortion except in case of rape, incest or threat to the life of the mother? I would support a universal single payer plan whether it did or did not ban abortion. seems to me that the Stupak ammendment is doing essential what a ban on government funding would do under a universal single payer system. To argue that Provider plans which are paid for solely by individuals are not also government subsidized by being on the exchange and having customers who are government subsidized is like saying the church is not being helped by the government in receiving funds to run a rehab program that meets in the midst of its religious symbols.



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Iggymomgi

posted January 2, 2010 at 10:33 pm


Has the American people not read history? Abortion was started by a “RICH” woman who wanted to get rid of the “poor” population and Alolph Hitler got wind of it and used their mission to accomplish his. He even had a meeting with the “RICH” woman. Also, as in the time of Jesus, the Church heirachy was a bought and paid for institution and that is why they crucified Jesus….He was a threat to their way of life more than to religion. The Catholic Church is also a bought position heirachy which followed the Jerusalem heirachy because of Roman influence. So, our legislators are also in the group of “what’s in it for me money-wise”? Americans, stand up for once in your life and learn to FIGHT fir your God-given Rights. Our Constitution also tells us we can take out our politicians if they do not do the will of the people, for that is their job…DO THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE…not their own. WE the people lead and not the politicians…What are Americans afraid of?



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Reason

posted January 3, 2010 at 1:12 am


I believe Reverend Lynn has stated, on several points, the issues of personal liberty at stake. I stand with him philosophically on many issues of personal and religious freedom, and I hereby pledge a meager (unless I win the lottery) donation in support of the voice of reason he presents.



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Boris

posted January 3, 2010 at 1:42 am


Has the American people not read history? Abortion was started by a “RICH” woman who wanted to get rid of the “poor” population and Alolph Hitler got wind of it and used their mission to accomplish his.
Boris says: These are the kind of insane lies we get from Christian fundamentalists. For your information abortions have been performed in every society that has been studied. As long as women have been having babied they have been having abortions. Abortions were not invented by a rich woman. Also Adolph Hitler was a devout Christian who rounded up 11 million people and had them murdered simply because they did not accept Jesus Christ as their savior. That’s on your head buddy.



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Your Name

posted February 7, 2010 at 2:25 pm


Moral theology has always been a sticky subject for the catholics in my honest opinion…



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Marc Anthony

posted November 9, 2010 at 7:40 pm


In loving memory of Col. Walter MacAdoo A., M.D., a lost treasure.
He was my friend, faithful and kind to me.
Good night, sweet Prince, may flights of Angels guide thee to thy rest.



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