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Lynn v. Sekulow


Homeland Insecurity: Conservatives Shouldn’t Worry About U.S. Report On Extremists

posted by Rev. Barry W. Lynn

Jay, I can’t believe you have gotten roped into complaining about the Department of Homeland Security’s recent assessment of potential terrorist threats from right-wing groups. You are joining Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council and “columnist” Michelle Malkin in making a mountain out of a molehill.  In fact, this is an instance when the molehill is a warning any responsible person would want to know about lest they ignore a possible infestation of vermin in and from their own front yard.

Janet Napolitano issued a report last week which noted, among other things, that “right-wing extremists may be gaining new recruits by playing on their fears about several emergent isssues”.  Two of those issues are abortion and immigration.  The report simply points out that the election of Barack Obama has led to anger among fringe characters about the direction of the country.  I should note that the Southern Poverty Law Center has documented the growth of activity around really extreme Web sites which feed off hatred against African-Americans.

Of course, the report doesn’t say that all right-of-center groups
that oppose abortion, religious or secular, should be targeted for
surveillance.  I would be outraged by that myself.  However, all the
acts of domestic terrorism in the past twenty five years that Americans
remember, like attacks on abortion providers
by Eric Rudolph and the Oklahoma City federal building bombing by
Timothy McVeigh were in fact conducted by right-wing ideologues. 
Should we just give all right-wingers a “pass” so that we don’t risk
being “politically incorrect” about ultra-conservative sensitivities?

The Department of Homeland Security owes the American people
information that can make us safe and secure.  It has to call the plays
as it sees them.  Earlier this year, as pointed out by Media Matters, the Department also warned about left-of-center groups that might become engaged in domestic cyber-terrorism. 

Where was the Perkins-Malkin-Sekulow outrage then?

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Jimbino

posted April 16, 2009 at 3:44 pm


Pretty crazy argument. The fact that USSA freedom fighters are “right wing ideologues” is directly related to the fact that the country has adopted socialism, represented by public education, tolerance of unions, medicare, medicaid, pro-natalism, subsidized daycare and medical care for kids, etc. You can be sure that there’d be a lot of attacks by “left-wing ideologues” if folks like Dobson ever gained great political power.
The participants in the Boston Tea Party were some kind of ideologues, too. What’s wrong with a revolution every 20 years, as Jefferson advised?



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Kash

posted April 16, 2009 at 6:10 pm


“that the country has adopted socialism, represented by public education, tolerance of unions, medicare, medicaid, pro-natalism, subsidized daycare and medical care for kids, etc.” Really? All in less than three months? That’s amazing! (sarcasm)
“You can be sure that there’d be a lot of attacks by “left-wing ideologues” if folks like Dobson ever gained great political power.” They had it for the past 8 years, and left wingers waited, some patiently and some impatiently, but mostly peacefully, for them to self-implode and the country to vote them out of office. Of course, if we had known that when they self imploded they were going to take the country’s economy with them, perhaps we would have reached for the sort of violent, hate-filled rhetoric we are now seeing aimed at Obama. But probably not, because the left wing by and large doesn’t engage in fear mongering, manipulation, and stockpiling of weapons. Thank God!



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Your Name

posted April 16, 2009 at 10:59 pm


Well, the expiration wiped out my excellent comment, so I’ll just agree with Barry and let it go at that.



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Your Name

posted April 17, 2009 at 8:50 am


I REALLY THINK THAT WE ARE PASSED THE POINT OF NO RETURN. THESE PEOPLE THAT VOTED FOR OBAMA, BIDEN, NANCY PELOSI. THEY WANTED CHANGE NOW THEY ARE GOING TO GET IT. THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DESTROY OUR COUNTRY. 1. SETTING FREE SOME OF THE TERRIST 2.PASSING GAY MARRIAGE 3. LETTING NORTH KOREA GETTING AWAY WITH THAT MISILE LAUNCH AND NOW GOING TO GIVE MEXICO GIVING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR HELICOPTERS 4. I BELEIVE THAT THE G20 SUMMITT WAS MORE THEN JUST A MEETING ABOUT WORLD CRISIS. JESUS IS GETTING READY TO COME AND PEOPLE ARE BLINDED WHAT THEY ARE DOING? WHEN GOD SEES FIT FOR ISRAEL TO GO INTO IRAN IT WILL HAPPEN AND OBAMA WON’T BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. THANK YOU FOR HEARING HOW I FEEL AND SEE WHAT’S COMING. ELTON COPELAND



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Your Name

posted April 17, 2009 at 8:54 am


Rather than looking at “Right-wing” versus “Left-wing”, one needs to look more at the Generational migration of values. I think the value systems in place today, within the general population and within the academic community, are a direct result of science, intellect and rational thought taking on more weight than foundational faith and basic morality.
Coming out of WWII, our fathers saw a great surge in “lifestyle improvements” based primarily on technology progression, scientific discovery, growing economic strength. Unfortunately, this was not tempered by foundational values. Successive generations grew up with the wealth, the technology and the freedom of communication as as “rights” rather than privilege. Temperance was replaced with growing greed and faith-values replaced with humanism.
This affects both sides, liberal and conservative and today we see the results of stepping away from the foundations that made this country so great in the past. It will be hard to recover, perhaps impossible.
In the meantime, it is up to all of us to step back and weigh the determine where our values stand and whether we can really defend those values. Our country and our way of life is at stake.



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Boris

posted April 17, 2009 at 9:59 am


Your Name,
Don’t you find it odd that God supposedly did things in the past and is going to do things in the future but he he never does anything in the present. And it’s been like this for almost 14 billion years now. And you still think there’s a God. Why? What’s you evidence? Where’s your proof?



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Mary-Lee

posted April 17, 2009 at 10:19 am


Coming out of WWII, our fathers saw a great surge in “lifestyle improvements” based primarily on technology progression, scientific discovery, growing economic strength. Unfortunately, this was not tempered by foundational values.
I couldn’t disagree more, “Your Name.” Since the Second World War we have affirmed the equal rights of African-American citizens, for example. We still have a long way to go in affirming and respecting the equal rights of all people, but we are steadily, albeit with fits and starts, moving in that direction.
You can’t get more “foundational” than equal rights for all people.



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Lowanna Bujaki

posted April 17, 2009 at 1:44 pm


We sent red envelopes to Pres Obama on March 31. On the back of the red envelope it said this:
This envelope represents on child who died because of an abortion. It is empty because the life that was taken is now unable to be part of our world.
Is this why we are domestic terrorist? Red envelopes are offensive?



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Andy

posted April 17, 2009 at 1:58 pm


I can’t believe this administration would turn on their own military. These American citizens that protect us everyday need to be lifted up not torn down.



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kash

posted April 17, 2009 at 7:30 pm


This administration has increased their pay and medical benefits. They have hardly “turned” on them.



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Gwyddion9

posted April 18, 2009 at 3:11 am


Watching the RR is LONG OVER DUE.
If any group is willing to harm another group or people, they’d be the ones to do it and then justify it using their theology.
Honestly, read the beliefs of the extreme conservative Christian groups. They’re very willing to put to death certain groups of people and put the other peoples on trial for heresy, their version of course.



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Gwyddion9

posted April 18, 2009 at 3:16 am


It’s also important to realize that the Government has been watching groups in this country, religious or other wise, for some time. Some people, like outspoken James Dobson, who has said that Democracy defies god and has suggested an old testament version of government of rule. Of course, those who think like him are the only ones truly worthy to rule.
We’ve been so concerned about terrorist groups in the Middle East we have ignored the same kinds of groups here, who are equally a threat to the country and government.



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Your Name

posted April 18, 2009 at 4:37 am


Come on Barry. You know full well there is no such thing as a non-issue to these right-wingnuts. God help us if Obama sneezes in public. Can’t you hear Sekulow now: “Today Obama tried that left-wing, socialist tactic of attempting to spread an incurable virus to everyone within his sight…” And Rush Limbaugh: “I don’t know if it is really true, but I heard from a very good source in the White House that last week Obama issued orders to all the members of the Democrat Party on the staff to get their flu shots… obviously only trying to infect Republicans with an incurable virus…”
You have to feel sorry for them. This is all they have. fearmongering, name-calling, and molehills to try to make mountains out of…



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DSJulian

posted April 18, 2009 at 4:38 am


Come on Barry… that post was mine…



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Boris

posted April 18, 2009 at 9:42 am


Your Name,
How about the callers to Jay’s show? “Hi Jay thanks for all the wonderful work you do keeping us safe from the lefty libs. Can we impeach Obama if we can legally prove he’s the antichrist?” Jay: “Well Sally Sue I don’t want to get into the theological implications of…



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daniel rotter

posted April 19, 2009 at 1:42 am


Boris, was that an actual caller to Jay’s show? Just curious.



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daniel rotter

posted April 19, 2009 at 2:06 am


Regarding jimbino’s post: you know you’re in planet cuckooland when you regard “pro-natalism” as a “socialist” idea. Have fun with your anti-children agenda. And how exactly do you define “tolerance of unions?” In what ways should we be “intolerant” of unions?



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George

posted April 19, 2009 at 4:56 am


When you have a president who tells Georgetown University to cover the word God on any wall or background where he will speak says it all about this administration.I’m a democrat union man who votes by his Faith not his wallet.So I guess you could call me an extremess in their eyes. We had a man who says he is a Christian but does things in this office of president that says other wise by the people he picked for his administration as he did when he chose Janet Napolitano. It’s time for her to go, she is so hard hearted about people of Faith.I’ll pray for God to intervene and that He’ll change the heart of this administration and all those who work in it including the Deomcratic Congress. And I’ll also pray for those colleges and organizations who invite people like these to speak.



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daniel rotter

posted April 19, 2009 at 5:44 am


Obama was right in what he did with regards to GU and the covering of the word “God.” He was giving a secular speech, and having that word clearly in the background implies otherwise. Also, where in the DHS report does it mention, as you implied (“So I guess you could call me an extremess in their eyes”) that people who vote by their faith are “extremists.?” And what evidence do you have that Napolitano is “hard hearted” about “people of Faith?” C’mon, just because you are a Democrat doesn’t mean you get to throw out unsupported accusations against individuals who also share your party label.



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Your Name

posted April 19, 2009 at 3:44 pm


Dr. Lynn desperately needs a lesson in US history. According to the DHS report — and the legislating of “political correctness” — the Founding Fathers would either be on their watchlist, or already rounded up.
Dr. Lynn is an indorctinated, pseudo-christian, and his credibility is nill to any thinking, educated or well-read American.
This country was founded by “right-wing extremists”. It’s people who don’t meet that definition who are the real enemies of our republic.
The Rev



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The Rev

posted April 19, 2009 at 3:47 pm


That would be “indoctrinated”. And those who don’t want the word God in the background of a “secular speech”, are simply afraid of the word. Not to mention the concept.



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daniel rotter

posted April 19, 2009 at 5:06 pm


The Founding Fathers aren’t mentioned in the DHS report. The DHS report doesn’t mention rounding people up. You obviously haven’t read the report. How can one be afraid of a word? I’ve heard of being afraid of people, of things, but not of words.



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H.E. Dinsen

posted April 21, 2009 at 7:16 pm


Agreed. Where I work it is roughly eighty-five per cent veterans, mostly Air Force — this was a very hot topic at breaks and lunch.
I put in twenty years in the Army, four combat missions the last this latest fiasco: So I suppose that makes me a right-wing extremist.
Oh well … gotta have a hobby I suppose when I retire for the third time. Somebody’s gotta do it I suppose.
# # #
hed



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daniel rotter

posted April 21, 2009 at 9:35 pm


“Agreed.”
Who are you agreeing with?
“I put in twenty years in the Army,…So I suppose that makes you a right-wing extremist.”
The report doesn’t say or imply that a twenty-year veteran of the Army is automatically a right-wing extremist. Another person like Mr. Sekulow or “Your Name” who probably didn’t read the report.



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Your Name

posted April 22, 2009 at 6:29 pm


I believe that the New York Times (I know that some of you regard this source as less than reliable) recently published the results of a study of extremist groups. This study concluded that the overwhelming number of extremist goups were right wing extremist groups. Think of the American Nazi Party, the KKK, etc. Also returning veterans are courted by these extremist groups because of their knowledge of firearms, explosives, combat techniques, etc.



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N. Lindzee Lindholm

posted November 23, 2009 at 7:44 pm


I am so thankful DHS retracted their report listing pro-lifers and veterans as potential domestic terrorists. Their demonic classifications of these two groups are stereotypical to say the least, but in legal terminology, very over broad. Just because a couple of extremists were terrorists doesn’t mean that the finger should be pointed at others who espouse conservative beliefs. The extremists represent a statistically insignificant number in comparison to the whole. What a political scheme.



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