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Lynn v. Sekulow


More Unwelcome News On Obama Faith-Based Front

posted by Rev. Barry W. Lynn

Dan Gilgoff is now reporting that former Indianapolis Colts coach Tony Dungy has been invited to join the White House “Advisory Panel On Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships”.  This unnecessary body already has plenty of people on it who are way off the mark on civil rights and liberties.  Dungy will be another.

Dungy’s fund-raising for the James Dobson-affiliated “Indiana Family Institute” and his unequivocal opposition to same-sex marriage based on his view that God opposes it make him an unlikely candidate for useful discussion of faith based partnerships and civil rights, one of the key issues the panel will hammer out.



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Husband

posted March 31, 2009 at 6:03 pm


This is both sad and frightening. Whetever happened to freedom of religion? Not all of us are fundagelicals.
This is a very dangerous turn of events for the right “liberty and justice for all”, not to mention the right to the pursuit of happiness.



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Denise

posted March 31, 2009 at 6:52 pm


Husband…
Whatever happened to freedom of religion? It’s alive and well… that Tony Dungy is invited to take part in the faith-based group just shows that not all of us are liberal Christians. Some of us believe in what the Bible says… and guess what? Our opinions are valid, too. Our views are legitimate. We are entitled to a seat at the table.



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Mr. Incredible

posted March 31, 2009 at 7:03 pm


==Whetever happened to freedom of religion?==
Atheists claim they are not religious. They say atheism is not a religion.
So, what “freedom of religion” are you talking about?
==This is a very dangerous turn of events for the right “liberty and justice for all”…==
Where is the phrasing, “liberty and justice for all,” in the Constitution?
==… not to mention the right to the pursuit of happiness.==
Where is the phrasing, “right to the pursuit of happiness,” in the Constitution?



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Rob

posted March 31, 2009 at 7:14 pm


Waste of good web space… anyone who willfully (i.e. decides) the Bible has no merit (i.e. either there is no God, or God did not write the Bible – though He can apparently create the Sun, Moon, Earth, Universe, and keep them all perfectly organized).
The argument really comes down to concrete foundations of belief. If God is absolutely real and exists, then what He says goes (like it or not). If God is in your pocket, you deny His existence, whatever the case, it does NOT make Him disappear no more than saying Jesus never existed, or perhaps the Holocaust, or Alexander the Great, or Napoleon.
You see, the EVIDENCE is already here (i.e. Sun, Earth, you, me), just as it is for other events (i.e. Holocaust, Napoleon, etc). It simple comes down to acknowledging or denying, the facts.



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Gwyddion9

posted March 31, 2009 at 7:32 pm


If Dungy is affiliated with Dobson, in any way, he needs to be removed from any potential advisory panel. Because of his affiliation, he will never be able to have an unbiased concern or respect for anything other than his own religious beliefs.



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Boris

posted March 31, 2009 at 8:32 pm


You see, the EVIDENCE is already here (i.e. Sun, Earth, you, me), just as it is for other events (i.e. Holocaust, Napoleon, etc). It simple comes down to acknowledging or denying, the facts.
Boris says: It is YOU who denies the facts in order to hold on archaic and false religious superstitions. Anyone can look through a high powered telescope and see stars like our sun and planets like ours being formed as we speak. We can see other suns and planets dying like ours will one day. So we know how our sun and earth were formed – gradually over millions of years. They did not just pop into existence as Bible believers (and no one else) claims.
FYI just saying that God or Jesus exists will not make it so. Threatening unbelievers with these beliefs will not make them come true. No such person as Jesus Christ ever existed. Vists Jesusneverexisted.com and you will see what I mean.



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Laughable

posted April 1, 2009 at 1:07 am


So, he has opinions different than your own, so he’s “an unlikely candidate or useful discussion”? Seems to me that the most useful discussion is with people we disagree with. Talking to those who already agree with us is just preaching to the choir.



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harryoutdoors

posted April 1, 2009 at 1:08 am


The universe is not static…God made a Cosmos of unparelled complexity and creativity.
Stars appear and disappear just as life appears and disappears on earth…seeing a new star appear does not disprove anything..it actually shows the miracles of earth and sky God set forth when He first created all of this.
And when was the last time you observed a star, sun or planet being born over a million or so years?
Think a little deeper Boris…it won’t hurt ya!



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harryoutdoors

posted April 1, 2009 at 1:33 am


C’mon Barry…don’t be so down. Ya know you can trump up a smear campaigne with the press and evening news in a jiffy! Maybe get Oprah to help you since she’s another “spiritual” guru as yourself…maybe you two can channel Madeline Murray O’Hare to appoint members of the panel.
there ya go…there’s that smile



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Boris

posted April 1, 2009 at 3:43 am


And when was the last time you observed a star, sun or planet being born over a million or so years?
Boris says: We can look back about 13.9 billion years harry, not just millions.
Think a little deeper …it won’t hurt ya! But it will rid you of your absurd religious superstitions that come from a book that says the earth is flat and immovable, sits on a foundation supported by pillars as the sun hurries across the sky. See the Bible is wrong in its very first sentence. The earth is NOT a separate creation from the rest of the universe. Why try to hold on to these beliefs?



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Bob

posted April 1, 2009 at 8:26 am


Boris,
The point being made in Genesis is that regardless of the order and age of creation, it was God who made it all.
Much of the Bible, without explicitly existing as poetry in form, is, nonetheless, poetic in spirit. And just as you don’t always take every line in a love song literally, but rather focus on the love being expressed in the song as a whole, you sometimes have to listen to the message behind the words in the Bible rather than focus on the literal meaning of each single word.
The approach would be different when reading one of the historical books of scripture, like 1 and 2 Kings, 1 and 2 Chronicles, etc.



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Husband

posted April 1, 2009 at 9:27 am


Denise,
“not all of us are liberal Christians.”
You keep ingnoring th epoint that not all of us are conservative Christians. Heck, some citizens aren’t even “Christian” at all. Imagine that!
“Some of us believe in what the Bible says.”
Pay attention, Denise. You are entitled to “believe” what you want to. The thing about freedom of religion is, we don’t all have to believe what you believe. We don’t have to believe in whatever version of “The Bible” (TM) you happen to believe. (There are many, you know. Or did you? And many Biblical scholars disagree on the myriad interpretations. And again, that pesky freedom of religion thing – why must citizens under secular law “believe” in ANY religious tenets? Answer me that, please.)
“… and guess what? Our opinions are valid, too.”
Like I said, you’re welcome to your “opinions” (glad to see that you recognize that that is all they are – opinions). Would that you returned the favor.
“Our views are legitimate.”
For you they are. They aren’t for others. That’s what freedom of religion means, Denise.
“We are entitled to a seat at the table.”
Denise, you already have a “seat at the table”. In fact, right-wing “Christian” conservatives have pretty much owned the table. It is you that won’t let us even come near it.



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Your Name

posted April 1, 2009 at 9:29 am


“Where is the phrasing, “liberty and justice for all,” in the Constitution?”
It isn’t. It’s in the pledge of allegiance.
“Where is the phrasing, “right to the pursuit of happiness,” in the Constitution?:
Again, it isn’t. It’s an “inalienable right”. Figures that you wouldn’t know that.



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Your Name

posted April 1, 2009 at 9:31 am


Rob,
“anyone who willfully (i.e. decides) the Bible has no merit”
Guess youhave to believe what you happen to. Get over it already.



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Your Name

posted April 1, 2009 at 9:34 am


“so he’s “an unlikely candidate or useful discussion”? Seems to me that the most useful discussion is with people we disagree with. Talking to those who already agree with us is just preaching to the choir.”
Trouble is, there aren’t any dissenting ‘voices’ on the panel – they’re all rabid right-wing ‘religiosos’ of the Dobson ilk. Where are the people on the panel who disagree with you?
Speakin of preaching to the coir. “Laughable” indeed.



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Your Name

posted April 1, 2009 at 9:36 am


9:21am post scrambled. Should read:
“Guess you don’t believe in this freedom of religion thing either.”



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Husband

posted April 1, 2009 at 9:37 am


Bob,
“The point being made in Genesis is that regardless of the order and age of creation, it was God who made it all.”
That’s very strange ‘logic’ – quoting a book that says the book is right ro prove the book is right.
Do better.



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Your Name

posted April 1, 2009 at 9:42 am


“you sometimes have to listen to the message behind the words in the Bible”
Why do we have to do that, Bob?
The Constitution says we don’t have to. Nor do we have to “listen to the message behind the words in the” Q’uran, the Torah, the Book of Tao or any other ‘religious’ Scripture. Ain’t freedom of religion a wonderful thing?



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Mary-Lee

posted April 1, 2009 at 9:54 am


Well, maybe President Obama plans to leave them all in one room to argue with one another about where to send the money. Of course, Christians never agree, so they get their “voice” but it accomplishes nothing.



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Boris

posted April 1, 2009 at 12:16 pm


I knew you would once again hang yourself Incredible. Why didn’t you provide the sources for you quotes? Could it be that the quotes you provided are confessed to be fabrications made by Christian historical revisionist and admitted forger and liar David Barton? Barton retracted these fabrications a few years ago Incredible when he got caught. Where have you been? ROFL! Yep you should have checked your sources Incredible. Only two or maybe three of your quotes can be verified as authentic. Christian apologists only fool their own flock and cause them to make false claims. Now I’ve provided the actual sources for some of Jefferson’s REAL quotes and unlike the quotes you provided from David Barton’s propaganda anyone can verify that these quotes are authentic.
Christians actually believe that anyone who mentions God is automatically talking about their Christian version of God. So Incredible unthinkingly assumes Thomas Paine is a Christian because he sees Paine mentioned God in The Age of Reason. Of course had Mr. Incredible actually read even a few sentences of this book, or even knew the first thing about Thomas Paine or the history of the United States he would see that The Age of Reason still stands as one of the great critiques of Christianity. It could hardly have been written by a Christian. Paine hated Christianity as anyone who ever read his book can plainly see.
“I believe in one God… and I hope for happiness beyond this life. — Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason, Page 8
“Of All the systems of religion that were ever invented, there is no more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory in itself than this thing called Christianity. Too absurd for belief… it produces only atheists and fanatics. – Thomas Paine
“That God cannot lie, is no advantage to your argument, because it is no proof that priests can not, or that the Bible does not.” – Thomas Paine.
Boris says: Those quotes disqualify Thomas Paine from being a Bible believing Christian now don’t they? And now for some authentic quotes from a man who Mr. Incredible claims is a Christian:
Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782
Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787
“I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstitions (Christianity) one redeeming feature. They are all alike, founded on fables and mythologies.” – Thomas Jefferson
”Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting “Jesus Christ,” so that it would read “A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;” the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination. -Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom
I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Hopkinson, March 13, 1789
“The Christian god is a three headed monster; cruel vengeful and capricious… One only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they serve him. They are aways of two classes: fools and hypocrites.” – Thomas Jefferson.
History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes. -Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.
The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814
Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814
If we did a good act merely from love of God and a belief that it is pleasing to Him, whence arises the morality of the Atheist? …Their virtue, then, must have had some other foundation than the love of God. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Thomas Law, June 13, 1814
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus.”-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Adrian Van der Kemp, 30 July, 1816
You say you are a Calvinist. I am not. I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Ezra Stiles Ely, June 25, 1819
As you say of yourself, I too am an Epicurian. I consider the genuine (not the imputed) doctrines of Epicurus as containing everything rational in moral philosophy which Greece and Rome have left us. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, Oct. 31, 1819
“Priests…dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight and scowl on the fatal harbinger announcing the subversions of the duperies on which they live.” -Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Correa de Serra, April 11, 1820
Among the sayings and discourses imputed to him [Jesus] by his biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the most lovely benevolence; and others again of so much ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism, and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same being.-Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, April 13, 1820
To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that the human soul, angels, god, are immaterial, is to say they are nothings, or that there is no god, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason otherwise: but I believe I am supported in my creed of materialism by Locke, Tracy, and Stewart. At what age of the Christian church this heresy of immaterialism, this masked atheism, crept in, I do not know. But heresy it certainly is. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, Aug. 15, 1820
I can never join Calvin in addressing his god. He was indeed an Atheist, which I can never be; or rather his religion was Daemonism. If ever man worshipped a false god, he did. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823
And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors. -Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823
It is between fifty and sixty years since I read it [the Apocalypse], and I then considered it merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to General Alexander Smyth, Jan. 17, 1825
Now I ask anyone to tell me if Thomas Paine and Thomas Jefferson could possibly have been Christians with all they had to say about the evils, falsities, stupidity and insanity of Christianity.



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Nicholas

posted April 1, 2009 at 3:36 pm


ISSIAH 55 ROFL!



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harryoutdoors

posted April 1, 2009 at 8:24 pm


And when was the last time you observed a star, sun or planet being born over a million or so years?
Boris says: We can look back about 13.9 billion years harry, not just millions.
Let me try again…
When was the last time you actually witnessed an actual million year span of time where you saw a star, sun or planet being born from start to finish? I’m talking about real events in real time and not observing just light and tagging an age to it.



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Boris

posted April 1, 2009 at 9:29 pm


When was the last time you actually witnessed an actual million year span of time where you saw a star, sun or planet being born from start to finish? I’m talking about real events in real time and not observing just light and tagging an age to it.
Boris says: I don’t have to live a million years to look back in time that far harry. See light does actually travel at the speed of light contrary to what your cult leaders at the Discovery Institute claim. We can look at billions of stars and planets in all stages of development from start to finish and the further we look back the more primitive the formations appear. Have you ever seen what they call the ‘Pillars of Creation’ even on say a television screen? Fascinating what the universe looked like thirteen billion or so years ago. We can see what was going on almost ten billion years before our own sun and planet even spun themselves into existence like all the others have in the past.
What we are discussing here has nothing at all to do with Darwinian evolution. We are discussing cosmology. Your creationist cult leaders have blurred the lines between scientific disciplines so that you don’t understand the difference between them anymore. They reeled you in by making you think the only problem the cult had was with evolution and then confused the different branches of science so you would not understand what you were getting yourself into or how you would be ostracized by the rest of society as well as the rest of Christianity. Had they told you must deny all science as all true Bible believers had done right down through history you might have been able to see through the hoax of creationism. Now that you’ve been totally brainwashed by the cult’s fear induced superstition that any acceptance of any science at all buys a one-way ticket to hell you can no longer make any objective decisions about science or the Bible.



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Mary-Lee

posted April 1, 2009 at 9:33 pm


Homosexuality has been around since man first stood upright, and we haven’t been destroyed yet. When will these fundies realize that they obsess over nothing.
Marriage between a man and a woman will continue, and marriage between a man and a man or a woman and a woman will too. And nothing is going to happen as a consequence. Absolutely nothing!
Heck, even a few of your fundie ministers have tried “walking on the wild side.”



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Mr. Incredible

posted April 2, 2009 at 1:06 am


==Homosexuality has been around since man first stood upright…==
Yes, when men and women chose to go homosexual. Even back then they had choice.
==… and we haven’t been destroyed yet.==
So, that means you’re NOT in for a big surprise??
== When will these fundies realize that they obsess over nothing.==
Why do you have this obsession with us??? Don’t you have better things to do?
==Marriage between a man and a woman will continue…==
Maybe, and maybe not.
==… and marriage between a man and a man or a woman and a woman will too.==
So, you know nothing about the corruption of the Morals, do you?
== And nothing is going to happen as a consequence. Absolutely nothing! ==
I can see you now, in 1939, goose-stepping past me saying, “C’mon, go along! Nothing’s going to happen! Nothing!”
==Heck, even a few of your fundie ministers have tried “walking on the wild side.”==
Yes, they left the love of God for their own rendition of “love.” In so doing, they’ve sinned.



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Mr. Incredible

posted April 2, 2009 at 1:14 am


==Why didn’t you provide the sources for you quotes?==
I did.
== Could it be that the quotes you provided are confessed to be fabrications made by Christian historical revisionist and admitted forger and liar David Barton?==
No.
==Now I ask anyone to tell me if Thomas Paine and Thomas Jefferson could possibly have been Christians with all they had to say about the evils, falsities, stupidity and insanity of Christianity.==
Of course, we don’t know the timing of the quotes you provide. So, yes, they could still have been Christian AFTER they said those things.



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harryoutdoors

posted April 2, 2009 at 1:19 am


FASTER THAN LIGHT
When Light Travels ahead of itself and works it’s way back.
First of all Boris, you know nothing of who I am or what I study or do not study…so, you can stop answering for me. Thank you
This may not be for you because you may just see it as an argument to win.
For others here who enjoy studying the amazing wonders of Cosmology, I think it will be very interesting.
For years I have wondered about the distance of stars and how their light can be seen over such extreme distances. This has been a quandry in fitting in the amount of light years to each star.
I have always suspected variance between the observed light and the actual light to be great. In other words, the stars and galaxies themselves must be further than the actual perception of them…something such as a projection of the true stars could be seen BEFORE the actual light reaches the earth.
Could it be the light was created in route to earth… already there? This is one theory I’ve wondered about but now scientists have performed an interesting experiment proving light can be PERCIEVED as faster than c or the speed of light.
This projection of light has been observed to appear faster than light speed and even appear and move backwards or fill in from a point backwards working its way back to the source.
This being the case, we can see one possibility of how suns, planets and stars can be observed in real time…even though in reality they are millions and even billions of LIGHT YEARS away…be sure to note LIGHT YEARS AWAY!
Can you see how this changes everything? If we can observe this phenomenon under experimentation then why can’t this explain why we can see stars so very far away…they don’t have to be billions of years old…they just have to PROJECT THE LIGHT BILLIONS OF LIGHT YEARS AHEAD to us way faster than the speed of light or c.
If this is true under experimentation than why can’t there be even faster occurances of this proven occurance?
Now, read about this discovery of ROBERT BOYD, Professor of Optics at the University of Rochchester. I believe the Bible’s account of the creation of the stars during the creation of the earth has been validated once again by science. Science and Christianity work together if we just look deep enough and take the time to study to show ourselves approved…
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Robert Boyd, professor of optics. Credit: University of Rochester It sounds nuts, but a scientist says his team has made light go backward. And this is not a simple trick of mirrors.
Previous work has slowed light to a crawl. But in the new research, a pulse of light is given a negative speed and—as if just to make your head spin—the researcher says the experiment made light appear to exceed its theoretical speed limit.
If you’re totally confused, don’t worry. This reporter doesn’t get it either. Nor do a lot of really smart scientists.
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“I’ve had some of the world’s experts scratching their heads over this one,” says Robert Boyd, a professor of optics at the University of Rochester. “It’s weird stuff.”
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The research was reported in the May 12 issue of the journal Science. Though not normally stated in news reports, Science is a peer-reviewed journal. That means some experts read Boyd’s paper and said it was good to publish.
That said, nobody would blame you if you stop here. Otherwise, grab a couple aspirin, have a look at depictions of the experiment in this graphic or this animation, and read on.
We’re going to let Boyd do the explaining. And this next sentence is the crux of it all:
“We sent a pulse through an optical fiber, and before its peak even entered the fiber, it was exiting the other end. Through experiments we were able to see that the pulse inside the fiber was actually moving backward, linking the input and output pulses.”
“The pulse of light is shaped like a hump with a peak and long leading and trailing edges. The leading edge carries with it all the information about the pulse and enters the fiber first. By the time the peak enters the fiber, the leading edge is already well ahead, exiting. From the information in that leading edge, the fiber essentially ‘reconstructs’ the pulse at the far end, sending one version out the fiber, and another backward toward the beginning of the fiber.”
Faster than light
Let’s put that another way, verbatim from a statement issued by the University of Rochester:
“As the pulse enters the material, a second pulse appears on the far end of the fiber and flows backward. The reversed pulse not only propagates backward, but it releases a forward pulse out the far end of the fiber. In this way, the pulse that enters the front of the fiber appears out the end almost instantly, apparently traveling faster than the regular speed of light.”



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Mr. Incredible

posted April 2, 2009 at 1:28 am


==Homosexuality has been around since man first stood upright…==
Since God says that He detests what we now call “homosexuality,” nobody who claims to be homosexual can stand upright, in His eyes.



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Boris

posted April 2, 2009 at 2:56 am


Science and Christianity work together if we just look deep enough and take the time to study to show ourselves approved…
Boris says: Sure. Christianity and science can only work together if the earth is flat, never moves, sits on a foundation supported by pillars and is orbited by the sun like the Bible says many times in both testaments and I have proved on this blog several times now.
Since God says that He detests what we now call “homosexuality,” nobody who claims to be homosexual can stand upright, in His eyes.
Boris says: Since MAN says in the Bible that God detests what we now call “homosexuality” God can no longer stand upright in mans’ eyes. In fact the Christian God crumbles like a cookie every time he’s challenged. That’s why no free thinking people think there is a God.



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Boris

posted April 2, 2009 at 3:08 am


BTW harry you must be really desperate to foment the notion that light travels faster than the speed of light. Why waste all that time and space on this blog to post something that insane in your effort to prove you flat-earth talking animal boogy book could somehow be true? You can’t make one word of the Bible true or even appear to be true.
You Bible believers have been fighting science ever since the Bible was written. Again no Protestant denomination accepted the findings of Galileo until well into the 1800s. Glad to see you’re keeping the Protestant tradition in having your superstitions steam rolled by science. You creationists have killed the rest of Christianity with your anti-scientific nonsense. No normal person wants to be associated with people who try to disprove major scientific theories and facts in order to prove their holy book is true.



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harryoutdoors

posted April 2, 2009 at 9:55 am


The study of linguistics teaches we apply the meaning of a root word where it makes the most sense…I present two root words of World and Earth. Intelligent seekers will see how the Earth and World can mean the flat ground where one stands upon at times.
Scoffers always limit the meanings to the whole suspended sphere of earth.
At times the context points to this as being true…but honest students of the Word can easily discern the difference.
Your straw man accusation of the Bible teaching a FLAT EARTH is herewith DISSOLVED!
This is why the Word of God is living and exciting because we can study and be a part of our learning…not just echo chat room rhetoric.
Hebrew root word for World
Strong’s Number H8398 matches the Hebrew ??? (tebel), which occurs 36 times in 36 verses in the Hebrew concordance of the KJV
1) land, earth
a) earth
1) whole earth (as opposed to a part)
2) earth (as opposed to heaven)
3) earth (inhabitants)
b) land
1) country, territory
2) district, region
3) tribal territory
4) piece of ground
5) land of Canaan, Israel
6) inhabitants of land
7) Sheol, land without return, (under) world
8) city (-state)
c) ground, surface of the earth
1) ground
2) soil
d) (in phrases)
1) people of the land
2) space or distance of country (in measurements of distance)
3) level or plain country
4) land of the living
5) end(s) of the earth
e) (almost wholly late in usage)
1) lands, countries
a) often in contrast to Canaan
Hebrew root word for EARTH
Strong’s H776 – ‘erets ???
Transliteration
‘erets
Pronunciation
eh’·rets (Key)
Part of Speech
feminine noun
Root Word (Etymology)
from an unused root probably meaning to be firm
1) land, earth
a) earth
1) whole earth (as opposed to a part)
2) earth (as opposed to heaven)
3) earth (inhabitants)
b) land
1) country, territory
2) district, region
3) tribal territory
4) piece of ground
5) land of Canaan, Israel
6) inhabitants of land
7) Sheol, land without return, (under) world
8) city (-state)
c) ground, surface of the earth
1) ground
2) soil
d) (in phrases)
1) people of the land
2) space or distance of country (in measurements of distance)
3) level or plain country
4) land of the living
5) end(s) of the earth
e) (almost wholly late in usage)
1) lands, countries
a) often in contrast to Canaan



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harryoutdoors

posted April 2, 2009 at 10:01 am


Strange how you resist the scientifc experiment I noted about light traveling faster than light…it was from a PEER REVIEWED Science journal and a noted scientist.
But then again you say I hate science and you turn around a pooh pooh any new data that may cast doubt on your NOTHING COMES FROM NOTHING beliefs.
Galileo was persecuted because of a certain school of science he taught and followed NOT simply for religious reasons…catch up!
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Mr. Incredible

posted April 2, 2009 at 12:11 pm


==”Since God says that He detests what we now call ‘homosexuality,’ nobody who claims to be homosexual can stand upright, in His eyes.
Boris says: Since MAN says in the Bible that God detests what we now call “homosexuality” God can no longer stand upright in mans’ eyes.==
And, yet, God hasn’t and won’t change for Man, nor for anybody, and what we now call “homosexuality” is STILL an abomination, and only those who claim to be homosexual, not God, will suffer. Heh.
== That’s why no free thinking people think there is a God.==
Except that multitudes upon multitudes upon multitudes upon multitudes upon multitudes upon multitudes upon multitudes upon multitudes upon multitudes upon multitudes of free-thinkers who’ve done the experiment have found God.



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Mr. Incredible

posted April 2, 2009 at 12:13 pm


==In fact the Christian God crumbles like a cookie every time he’s challenged.==
Where’s the evidence?



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Boris

posted April 2, 2009 at 12:22 pm


The earliest extant orthodox list is the Muratorian canon (c.190 or possibly later), which contains most of the books finally accepted as canonical. There was, however, dispute for some time over seven books (Hebrews, James, Second Peter, Second and Third John, Jude, and Revelation) eventually included in the canon, and over others (including the letters of Ignatius of Antioch Ignatius of Antioch)
The present New Testament canon appears for the first time in the Festal Letter of St. Athanasius (367).
There are no original manuscripts of any New Testament books. This is crucial because God supposedly performed the miracle of inspiration to get these books written. If God had wanted us to have his Word and went to all the trouble to inspire these books why didn’t he preserve the original manuscripts so we would be sure we had the exact words? If gos could perform the miracle of inspiration he could just have easily performed the miracle of preservation. Since God obviously did not perform one of these miracles there is no reason to assume he performed the miracle of inspiration either.



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Mr. Incredible

posted April 2, 2009 at 12:57 pm


==Why didn’t you provide the sources for you quotes?==
Well I provided their names. You’d rather stick to your secular taliban websites, huh.
Ok, letsee:
“I believe in one God, and no more; and I hope for happiness beyond this life.” — Paine, “The Age of Reason, page 6
http://books.google.com/books?id=2PgRAAAAYAAJ&dq=%22Paine%22+%22The+Age+of+Reason%22&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=5-XUSbnzE5eStAPSy7CvCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5
Notice that this declaration stands by itself at the top of his larger declaration. Note, too, that it conflicts with YOUR interpretations of what he said earlier, throughout the booklet. So, either he was confused, or YOU’re confused; and, now, gee, I wonder, do I go with YOUR faulty interpretations, or do I go with his statement and figure that interpretations of his earlier statements are faulty? I think I’ll go with his statement.
Need more? Let’s take-a lookit Jefferson:
“I am a real Christian…” — Jefferson, letter to Charles Thomson, from Monticello, January, 1816
Need to see it for yo’se’f? Here:
http://memory.loc.gov/master/mss/mtj/mtj1/048/0700/0745.jpg
Why stop there:
“The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were…the general Principles of Christianity…” — John Adams, letter to Jefferson, June 28, 1830
I know THAT comes as a complete shock to you. So, here’s the evidence:
http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/pds/livingrev/religion/text3/adamsjeffersoncor.pdf
Therefore, we can conclude that Boris’ steamy, stinking pile of solid waste interpretations is hereby DISSOLVED.



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Mr. Incredible

posted April 2, 2009 at 1:11 pm


==There are no original manuscripts of any New Testament books.==
Irrelevant.
== This is crucial…==
No, it isn’t. The 5600+ manuscripts we have coincide nicely with historical documents and testimonies. Scholars have said that they are good enough. They aren’t good enough only for scoffers. But so what?
KJV, for instance, is in the upper nineties percentile in accuracy with Textus Receptus, and TR is accurate, in the upper nineties percentile, with the 5600+ manuscripts.
The inaccuracies abound in the Westcott-Hort Greek, and the newer translations rely on WH.
==If God had wanted us to have his Word and went to all the trouble to inspire these books why didn’t he preserve the original manuscripts so we would be sure we had the exact words?==
He did. Men didn’t. However, what we have gets across — to some of us — the points He wants to make.
== If gos could perform the miracle of inspiration he could just have easily performed the miracle of preservation.==
And He did.
== Since God obviously did not perform one of these miracles…==
None that YOU’ll accept, anyway.
==… there is no reason to assume he performed the miracle of inspiration either.==
There are facts that are inaccessible by people like you, and, so, you can’t possible know.



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Mr. Incredible

posted April 2, 2009 at 1:21 pm


You have yet to provide precious evidence that “the Christian God crumbles like a cookie every time he’s challenged.”
Where’s the evidence?



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Boris

posted April 2, 2009 at 1:34 pm


The 5600+ manuscripts we have coincide nicely with historical documents and testimonies.
Boris says: Sure they do. Name ‘em and claim ‘em. No more vague claims. Exactly WHAT historical documents and testimonies, written by who and exactly what do they say? Give us one contemporary mention of Jesus in ANY historical document from the early first century.
See I’ve read the 24 lines written by second century historians that Christians claim prove the existence of Jesus Christ. Mentions of the existence of Christians and nothing about Christ himself proves only how weak your case really is. Perhaps you should have looked at what these supposed references to Jesus really are, when they were written and by whom before you parroted a claim made by your cult leaders. Now I’m not accepting anything from second century historians like Josephus, Pliny, Tacitus or Seutonius or anyone who was NOT alive when Jesus supposedly was. Go ahead let’s see what you got Incredible. As usual you’ve painted yourself into another corner. Your claims that Thomas Paine, the man who wrote one of the greatest critiques ever of Christianity, The Age of Reason was a Christian has to be the most indefensible and ridiculous claim I think I’ve ever heard or read! You might as well tell us all Richard Dawkins is really a Christian too!



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Mr. Incredible

posted April 2, 2009 at 1:37 pm


Boris,
Now I know you MO.
This statement of YOURS
“The earliest extant orthodox list is the Muratorian canon (c.190 or possibly later), which contains most of the books finally accepted as canonical. ”
is plagiarized, since you failed to attribute it to its author and posted it as your own.
That’s just one I googled. I’ll expose more, as time goes on. All anybody gotta do is cut’n’paste that statement, and prob’ly many others, into a search engine, and POOF!
I had been wondering how you post with nearly no typographical errors, and THAT’s the reason. Heh.
I’d be willing to bet that you’ve plagiarized a lot more in these blogs, and Jay, especially — being a lawyer — and Barry oughta be interested in it.



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Mr. Incredible

posted April 2, 2009 at 1:39 pm


you MO —> your MO
THAT’s the reason —> THAT’s how



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Mr. Incredible

posted April 2, 2009 at 1:43 pm


==Your claims that Thomas Paine, the man who wrote one of the greatest critiques ever of Christianity, The Age of Reason was a Christian has to be the most indefensible and ridiculous claim I think I’ve ever heard or read!==
Except that I provided the complete quote and references, and I made it even easier, just for you, by giving you the link, so you can see for yo’se’f. You dont’ have-ta accept the evidence, and yet, it’s still there.



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Mr. Incredible

posted April 2, 2009 at 1:57 pm


==Now I’m not accepting anything from second century historians like Josephus, Pliny, Tacitus or Seutonius or anyone who was NOT alive when Jesus supposedly was. ==
Good. Then, you’ll accept the testimony of John, the Revelator.



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Boris

posted April 2, 2009 at 2:01 pm


“Of all the systems of religion that were ever invented, there is no more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory in itself than this thing called Christianity. Too absurd for belief… it produces only atheists and fanatics.” Thomas Paine
Are you going to tell us all that a Bible believing Christian wrote those words? That a man would believe himself what he called “Too absurd for belief.” A deist would call HIMSELF either a fanatic or an atheist? Sure. Your posts are too absurd for belief.



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Mr. Incredible

posted April 2, 2009 at 2:08 pm


Even Jesus was there, at the beginning. He witnessed the very Creation:
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%201:1-4;&version=9;
Those who know Him witness and testify of Him:
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%201:10-13;&version=9;
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%0Corinthians%204:15;&version=9;
So:
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%201:14;&version=9;
There were multitudes of witnesses:
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2014:21;&version=9;
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2015:38;&version=9;
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2016:10;&version=9;
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark%208:9;&version=9;
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark%208:20;&version=9;
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%209:14;&version=9;
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%206:10;&version=9;
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark%206:44;&version=9;
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%204:4;&version=9;
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2016:9;&version=9;
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark%208:19;&version=9;
Great multitudes saw with their own eyes, and marvelled:
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%2011:4;&version=9;
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%205:1;&version=9;
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%208:1;&version=9;
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%208:18;&version=9;
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%209:8;&version=9;
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%209:33;&version=9;
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%209:36;&version=9;
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2011:7;&version=9;
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2012:15;&version=9;
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2013:2;&version=9;
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2014:22-23;&version=9;
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2014:22-23;&version=9;
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2019:2;&version=9;
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2021:9;&version=9;
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2026:55;&version=9;
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%205:15;&version=9;
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2014:25;&version=9;
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%2013:45;&version=9;
Thousands were saved:
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%202:41;&version=9;
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%2011:4;&version=9;
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%205:14;&version=9;
Those who wrote the Bible — as God’s writing instruments — also were there during the events, and testify:
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%201:20;&version=9;
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20John%201:1-5;&version=9;
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20John%204:14;&version=9;
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2024:48;&version=9;
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%201:8;&version=9;
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%202:32;&version=9;
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%203:15;&version=9;
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%205:32;&version=9;
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%2010:39;&version=9;
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%2013:31;&version=9;
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Corinthians%2013:1;&version=9;
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=I%20Thessalonians%202:10;&version=9;
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%201:9;&version=9;
DATA POINT: biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%201:1-4;&version=9;
There would be no eyewitnesses, if there were nothing to witness.
So, you were about to present YOUR on-scene eyewitnesses to dispute the testimony of those on-scene eyewits.



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Boris

posted April 2, 2009 at 2:10 pm


Good. Then, you’ll accept the testimony of John, the Revelator.
Boris says: I KNEW it! Once again we have the old the Bible is true because it says it is. If we first believe the Bible is true why then we can prove the Bible is true! It’s all so very Christiany to me now! What you are doing once again is trying to prove the existence of Rudolph’s red nose by citing the eyewitness testimony of Dancer! Don’t you get dizzy from going around in circles all the time? The Bible is true because God wrote the Bible and God tells the truth because the Bible says so and so the Bible is true because God wrote the Bible and God tells the truth because the Bible says so and so the Bible is true because God wrote the Bible and God tells the truth because the Bible says so and so…. you’re getting sleepy… the Bible is true…..



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Mr. Incredible

posted April 2, 2009 at 2:13 pm


==Are you going to tell us all that a Bible believing Christian wrote those words?==
Paine said in simple, understandable words that stand alone, “I believe in one God…” He said it in “The Age of Reason.” You said that he didn’t say those words and that he didn’t say them in “The Age of Reason.” I gave the link to the actual book, and, on Page 6, anybody can read his words that I quoted.
== That a man would believe himself what he called “Too absurd for belief.” A deist would call HIMSELF either a fanatic or an atheist? Sure. Your posts are too absurd for belief.==
And, yet, his statement, “I believe in one God,” stands.
So, it must be YOUR interpretations that are off the mark a mite. Or is it his own? Which is it?



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Gwyddion9

posted April 2, 2009 at 2:15 pm


Boris,
Mr. Incredible uses circular logic.



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Mr. Incredible

posted April 2, 2009 at 2:17 pm


==I KNEW it! Once again we have the old the Bible is true because it says it is.==
YOU wanted the name of somebody who was there, with Jesus. I gave you the name, “John the Revelator.” You reject all evidence before it is given at YOUR request.
If you don’t want the evidence, then at least say so.



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Mr. Incredible

posted April 2, 2009 at 2:20 pm


==Once again we have the old the Bible is true because it says it is.==
No, you got it backwards. We say He’s true CUZ He is.



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Boris

posted April 2, 2009 at 2:24 pm


No, it isn’t. The 5600+ manuscripts we have coincide nicely with historical documents and testimonies. Scholars have said that they are good enough. They aren’t good enough only for scoffers. But so what?
Boris says: Notice what historical documents and testimonies Incredible wound up providing.
Mr. Incredible
April 2, 2009 2:08 PM
He provided us with NOTHING but passages from the Bible! So what historical documents and testimonies does the Bible really agree with? Why it agrees with its own! Amazing! Who could have thought such an amazing proof of the Bible existed? Once again the Bible proves the Bible is true! Who needs any proof from OUTSIDE the Bible when circular reasoning is all it takes to convince believers of ANYTHING!



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Mr. Incredible

posted April 2, 2009 at 2:28 pm


==If we first believe the Bible is true why then we can prove the Bible is true!==
Again, you got it backwards.
It’s true, THEN we report that fact which you don’t believe. And that’s ok that you don’t believe. It’ doesn’t impact our Salvation at all.
==What you are doing once again is trying to prove the existence of Rudolph’s red nose by citing the eyewitness testimony of Dancer!==
Non-sequitur.
== Don’t you get dizzy from going around in circles all the time?==
No, cuz I’m not. It’s just that your head is spinning.
==The Bible is true because God wrote the Bible and God tells the truth because the Bible says so and so the Bible is true because God wrote the Bible and God tells the truth because the Bible says so and so the Bible is true because God wrote the Bible and God tells the truth because the Bible says so and so…. you’re getting sleepy… the Bible is true…..==
Not quite. God said that He tells us the Truth, and He goes on to perform what He promised, and we see it, and we report what we see and hear. That YOU can’t see and hear what He says and does doesn’t mean He didn’t say and do them. It’s just that you don’t receive what He says and does; but, again, THat doesn’t mean He didn’t say and do.



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Mr. Incredible

posted April 2, 2009 at 2:34 pm


==Notice what historical documents and testimonies Incredible wound up providing.
Mr. Incredible
April 2, 2009 2:08 PM
He provided us with NOTHING but passages from the Bible!==
You want proof of what we say. You reject the proof. So, what else is new?
== So what historical documents and testimonies does the Bible really agree with? Why it agrees with its own! Amazing! Who could have thought such an amazing proof of the Bible existed?==
Yes, on-scene eyewits testify to the events in the Word of God! AMAZING!
You dont’ have-ta believe it. That doesn’t make it false.
== Once again the Bible proves the Bible is true!==
That’s the way you dishonestly portray it.
We report the Truth of Him cuz He has performed what He said He would perform. We are witnesses to the fact. Your disbelief doesn’t diminish the facts we have seen and heard.



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Boris

posted April 2, 2009 at 2:41 pm


Not quite. YOU CLAIM God said that He tells us the Truth, and YOU CLAIM He goes on to perform what He promised, and YOU CLAIM we see it, and we report what we BELIEVE ON FAITH see and hear. That YOU can’t see and hear what He says and does doesn’t mean He didn’t say and do them AND DOESN’T PROVE THAT HE DID SAY AND DO THEM EITHER. It’s just that you don’t receive what I CLAIM He says and does; but, again, THat doesn’t mean He didn’t say and do AND IT DOESN’T MEAN THAT HE DOES EITHER.



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Mr. Incredible

posted April 2, 2009 at 3:24 pm


==YOU CLAIM God said that He tells us the Truth…==
I don’t claim it; He does! I report it.
He tells ALL the Truth. Some of us receive Him. You don’t. Therefore, you don’t see Him. You say that, just cuz you can’t see Him, that he doesn’t exist. It’s not true that, just cuz you can’t see something, it doesn’t exist. You can’t see “love,” either. Yet, you say “love” exists. Can you also say, “inconsistent”?
==… and YOU CLAIM He goes on to perform what He promised…==
I “claim” nothing of the kind. I report it. You don’t receive the report. You don’t believe the report. That’s because you don’t experience what is reported. Cuz you don’t experience it, as YOU say, it doesn’t exist. However, just cuz YOU say it doesn’t exist doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. You choose not to see it.
==… and YOU CLAIM we see it…==
When I say “we,” I refer to those of us who are born again. Those who are not born again don’t see it. That doesn’t mean it’s not there.
==… and we report what we BELIEVE ON FAITH see and hear.==
So, you are saying that you report what you believe on Faith you see and hear.
== That YOU can’t see and hear…==
I didn’t say that I can’t see and hear.
==… What He says and does doesn’t mean He didn’t say and do them AND DOESN’T PROVE THAT HE DID SAY AND DO THEM EITHER…==
He did them, all right, but you preclude your self from seeing what He did and does. We can’t help that. That’s YOUR doing.
==… It’s just that you don’t receive what I CLAIM He says and does; but, again, THat doesn’t mean He didn’t say and do AND IT DOESN’T MEAN THAT HE DOES EITHER.==
No, it’s just that you don’t receive what He says and does. That doesn’t mean He didn’t say and do them.



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Your Name

posted April 5, 2009 at 5:02 am


First of all quote from the constitution freedom of religion, it does not exist, it was meant for freedom of denomination. So we see by where the country ended up in the last twenty years of immorality and lack of it. So you dont want to take the Bible literally then use it as a moral compass, because when it was used as such by 52 out of 55 writers of the constitution the country was much better off. We dont want to forget about the thousands of prophecies that have come to pass in the Bible making it the unequivacable truth of God, Try finding that in the Koran or any where else in the false religions that exist, they dont dare make predictions especially thousands of years in advance. As far as contradictions in the Bible name a few or have you just gone along with the flow of your college professors, the bottom line is man has sinned and fallen short of Gods glory and man loves to defend and live in morality. Without the Bible there is no God, so stop pretending you know who he is, In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, all things were created by him, and he set up an avenue of moral laws, you think mankind came up with these laws? what a joke any man or woman would know immediately they could never keep the ten commandments without a Holy God to help them through and forgive them when they with a repentant heart mean it, and mean not to return to they’re sins. Have you ever lied? ever stolen anything? ever committed adultery? ever taken the name of God in vain? Yes, well you are a lying thieving blasphomous adulterer and if you stood before a Holy God today you would be guilty. But I forgot you are God and will judge yourself. Time will tell if the conservative christians are wrong we wont lose anything. but if you are wrong well you know. And there is no such thing as a liberal christian you are on the side of the Bible or on the side of the world. Get it straight



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posted April 6, 2009 at 10:34 am


conscience- a knowledge or sense of right and wrong, with a compulsion to do right; moral judgment that opposes the violation of a previously recognized e4thical principle and that leads to feelings of guilt if one violates such a principle.
clause- a particulat article, stipulation, or provision in a formal or legal document.
So why would anybody want to remove a conscience from any legal document or proceeding?
Conscience is what gives us the ability to descern the difference of what is right or wrong?
Would we not more conscience clauses put in than put out, so that way the public can have the ability to say no to the things which are against right?
Cara Floyd



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Daniel E. Welch

posted April 6, 2009 at 12:46 pm


I have sent a mass e-mail to all my contacts. Hopefully, they will reply and sign the petition and support the cause ASAP! Everyone needs to do this. Thank you for all of your efforts in this and in all your efforts to sustain our Christian Beliefs.



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posted April 13, 2009 at 11:43 am


Your ‘beliefs’ must be pretty weak if you need to ask your friends to send an e-mail to “sustain” them.



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N. Lindzee Lindholm

posted November 18, 2009 at 9:47 am


Because of Coach Dungy’s strong stand against same-sex marriage and abortion, that is exactly the reason why he needs to be there. The committee should be representative of the people’s views, not a one-sided group who show no semblance to the People of the United States.



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