Lynn v. Sekulow

Lynn v. Sekulow


SHOCKER! REMOVING GAG RULE UPSETS VATICAN

posted by Rev. Barry W. Lynn

I knew you would not be happy, Jay, that President Obama did what he had always said he would do–remove the restriction against even discussing abortion by groups which are engaged in international family planning and receive any tax dollars.  The rule imposed by the Bush Administration was so broad that it prohibited such counseling or referral even with privately raised dollars, much less those government dollars.

The fact that these funds have been unavailable has had an incalculable negative effect on the health and safety of women all over the world. Combined with U.S. “no condoms” policies and other anti-scientific actions, the Bush Admininistration left a legacy of bad “public health” carnage.  I actually spoke about this last year at the Harvard University School of Public Heatlh and wrote about it in a column.

I also knew that the Roman Cathollic hierarchy in the United States and the Vatican itself would not like Obama’s move.  What I found really odd was the language the Vatican used to condemn the action: arrogance. Monsignor Rino Fisichella said Obama had “the arrogance of those, being in power, [who] believe they can decide of life and death”.

Of course, some of us have been deeply concerned for years about another kind of arrogance: the arrogance of those men with ecclesiastical power who have managed to delegitimatize the moral decision-making power of women in regard to reproductive health.  They have often resided in places like the Vatican and they have often successfully lobbied secular officials around the globe to bend to their theological arguments.

Barack Obama has stood up to them.  This does not make him “pro-abortion”.  This just makes him the first President in eight years who seems to know that there is a difference between state-imposed religious dogma and the American concept of making ethical choices based on one’s own spiritual and reasonable principles. 



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Lauren

posted January 26, 2009 at 7:29 pm


Well put!



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Evoluted1

posted January 27, 2009 at 2:43 am


Yes indeed.



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Charles Cosimano

posted January 27, 2009 at 3:31 am


If this shocked them, just wait! By the time Obama is through with the Vatican they will be dancing around like they sat on a cattle prod.



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Janeile

posted January 27, 2009 at 3:39 pm


Whether you think abortion is right or wrong (and I will boldly say that I believe it is wrong. You can make it sound religious to believe this, but it is strictly a simple decision based on the value of life. Is it a disposable resource or a valuable thing worth fighting for?), the real “arrogance” of Obama is taking tax-payer money (most of which are from people who would normally not fund abortions), during an economic crisis none-the-less, and use it fund oversees abortions. It is pure arrogance and idiocy to do so. Not good economically for the U.S. and certainly not good in the promotion of the value of life itself.



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LoveBeingCatholic

posted January 27, 2009 at 6:27 pm


Go Vatican! I am so proud of our Church having the courage to stand up for what is right at a time when no one else even dares to criticize anything Obama does (even the so-called non-biased media).The Church has been consistent in it’s teaching and maybe that’s why we’ve been around for over 2,000 years. I challenge leaders of other Christian denominations to speak out in the same way. More and more the lives of the pre-born and dying are seen, as Janeile said, as disposable. If we as a nation can do research on human embryos and kill our innocent what is stopping us from going a few steps further. “Brave New World” anyone? It’s funny how people like to disguise abortion as a public health issue, especially when abortions performed due to the health of the mother only make up less than 3%. And since when is healthcare about taking lives? I always thought the purpose of it was to improve and prolong life.



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Linda Perrone

posted January 27, 2009 at 7:39 pm


I am so depressed that this president has already show his disregard, his disrespect, for the right of the most innocent of all human life to live. And even more depressed and angry that he intends to use my tax dollars to pay for the killing of these innocent children. It is criminal to kill these babies, and to use my money to pay for this murderous act. God help all the people involved in this issue to make the best moral decisions.



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Debbie

posted January 27, 2009 at 8:46 pm


I also am very sad tha the President took no time to show his dipresct for human life. I did have a huge feeling though that this would happen sooner than latter. I feel that by doing it sooner he rallys the supposrt of many who believe the same way early. This helps with other issues: budet, marrage laws,other health care issues, etc… I am not Catholic but I am also proud of the Vatican standing up to the President. I also truely desire to see other Christian leaders to express their believes and concerns VERY LOUDLY!!!
As far as being shocked-get used to it with Obama. I have felt from the very beging that that he is a dangerouse man with him beliefs and influence on the WORLD.
Shall we all pray that God’s people will unite in one voice and Pray to the Lord for Him devine protection. And for our leaders.



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Your Name

posted January 27, 2009 at 9:19 pm


Obama is pro-abortion. He can call is pro-choice, but the result is just the same and it’s the results that matter. The womb should be the safest place in the world, but instead it’s fair game. What can possibly become of a nation who openly kills babies? We call it Human Rights Abuse when another country does it……..Does anyone really understand that this includes partial-birth abortion? That’s the right to kill a baby coming out of the birth canal with a scissor like instrument jammed into the back of the skull to deflate the baby’s head and remove the brain. The head has to be out of the woman to accomplish this!!! But that’s ok?!! To Mr. Obama it is. That’s the “change” he’s bringing to America. Congratulations. Life now officially means nothing.



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RJohnson

posted January 27, 2009 at 9:57 pm


The Catholic Church has shown itself to be a safe place for pedophiles, and with the Pope’s recent act they are now a safe place for holocaust deniers.
The Catholic Church has as much business speaking out on moral matters as does Marilyn Chambers. Why anyone pays attention to what the Vatican says on morality is beyond me.



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Tracheostomy

posted January 27, 2009 at 10:04 pm


Here’s a little help for the “pro-choicers” who are still on the fence about this.
The argument on the left has always been about a woman’s right to her own body. Yet, regardless of whether you think the fetus is a real baby. . .or a “parasite” (as many radical feminists prefer to call it), this still means that it’s in reality not a part of your body.
Check. . .and mate.
“Tumor” or “independent soul”,



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JC

posted January 28, 2009 at 1:13 am


It is amazing to me how far down the road to selfishness and immorality we as a nation have gone. The US was founded on Christian principles and to deny this is to deny historic fact. It is also fact that there was never intended to be a separation of church and state. The matter of abortion is a key example of why. We need people of strong Christian beliefs making and upholding laws. Laws that protect the unborn. Laws that don’t turn their backs on science and push for embryonic stem cell research. There are only 4 differences between the born and the unborn child. 1, size. Are we to put less value on the size of an individual. If so what is too small? Is a person more valuable the bigger they are? 2. Location. Is it going to matter where a person resides as to whether they are human? Is a person in Maine less of a person in Colorado? The unborn baby is just 8 inches from being out of the womb. 3. Viability. Some argue the viability of the baby. All “wanted” newborn babies cannot survive on their own. Are they now not human yet? Up until the age of about 10 children need adults to care for them and provide for them. Then as one ages they find that care is needed at the end of one’s life as well. Are these two stages of life less valuable? Do we gradually become human and then fade out of being human? 4. Awareness. The level of conscienceness. When does one “know” they are alive? This can also be argued that an individuals level of understanding does not make them any less valuable or not human. Individuals with mental disabilities, the elderly, newborns all fall into a category that could be described as below average. Is the unborn any different? NO! And because there is no difference our laws should reflect this. As we can see from the President’s first acts we need strong Christian leaders in all areas of government to uphold the moral values that make the United States the greatest nation on earth.



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Boris

posted January 28, 2009 at 10:02 am


JC
What Christian principles was the United States founded on? Violently taking land from people by committing infanticide and genocide perhaps? There are no democratic societies, no societies where there was personal freedom pictured in the Bible. Our founders were very careful to keep religion OUT of politics and not ONE of them was a professing Christian. The Ten Commandments contain several commandments that describe the proper worship of an imaginary desert deity and this nation was founded on religious freedom. The Ten Commandments as well as the rest of the Bible are as anti-American as they can get and have absolutely NO PLACE in a free society. We must now put an end to religion in this nation by educating the youth to make sure they know Jesus Christ never even existed. The Christ myth is hoax man has perpetrated on himself. And it IS a hoax.



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trish1

posted January 28, 2009 at 11:15 am


The ad shows an ultrasound of a baby in a womb, while the text explains that during his life the baby’s father will abandon him, and his single mother will struggle to support him. But, “despite the hardships he will endure,” the ad continues. “This child will become the 1st African American President.” The ad climaxes with a picture of President Obama and the slogan, “Life. Imagine the Potential.”
Ad was created by CatholicVote.com, a project that the Fidelis Center founded in 2008 to educate Americans on the “critical issues in the public policy arena.” During the 2008 Presidential campaign drive, CatholicVote.com released a highly successful Election film that received almost four million views in just eight weeks.
CatholicVote.com
Wow food for thought.



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trish1

posted January 28, 2009 at 11:32 am


Wow Boris it is a matter of record that our fathers did not keep religion out, but instead founded our nation based on it.
A Few Declarations of Founding Fathers and Early Statesmen on Jesus, Christianity, and the Bible
(This list is by no means exhaustive; many other Founders could be included, and even with those who appear below, additional quotes could have been used.)
John Adams
SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE; JUDGE; DIPLOMAT; ONE OF TWO SIGNERS OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS; SECOND PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.1
The Holy Ghost carries on the whole Christian system in this earth. Not a baptism, not a marriage, not a sacrament can be administered but by the Holy Ghost. . . . There is no authority, civil or religious – there can be no legitimate government but what is administered by this Holy Ghost. There can be no salvation without it. All without it is rebellion and perdition, or in more orthodox words damnation.2
Without religion, this world would be something not fit to be mentioned in polite company: I mean hell.3
The Christian religion is, above all the religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of wisdom, virtue, equity and humanity.4
Suppose a nation in some distant region should take the Bible for their only law book and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited. . . . What a Eutopia – what a Paradise would this region be!5
I have examined all religions, and the result is that the Bible is the best book in the world.6
John Quincy Adams
SIXTH PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES; DIPLOMAT; SECRETARY OF STATE; U. S. SENATOR; U. S. REPRESENTATIVE; “OLD MAN ELOQUENT”; “HELL-HOUND OF ABOLITION”
My hopes of a future life are all founded upon the Gospel of Christ and I cannot cavil or quibble away [evade or object to]. . . . the whole tenor of His conduct by which He sometimes positively asserted and at others countenances [permits] His disciples in asserting that He was God.7
The hope of a Christian is inseparable from his faith. Whoever believes in the Divine inspiration of the Holy Scriptures must hope that the religion of Jesus shall prevail throughout the earth. Never since the foundation of the world have the prospects of mankind been more encouraging to that hope than they appear to be at the present time. And may the associated distribution of the Bible proceed and prosper till the Lord shall have made “bare His holy arm in the eyes of all the nations, and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God” [Isaiah 52:10].8
In the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior. The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity.9
Samuel Adams
SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE; “FATHER OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION”; RATIFIER OF THE U. S. CONSTITUTION; GOVERNOR OF MASSACHUSETTS
I . . . [rely] upon the merits of Jesus Christ for a pardon of all my sins.10
The name of the Lord (says the Scripture) is a strong tower; thither the righteous flee and are safe [Proverbs 18:10]. Let us secure His favor and He will lead us through the journey of this life and at length receive us to a better.11
I conceive we cannot better express ourselves than by humbly supplicating the Supreme Ruler of the world . . . that the confusions that are and have been among the nations may be overruled by the promoting and speedily bringing in the holy and happy period when the kingdoms of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ may be everywhere established, and the people willingly bow to the scepter of Him who is the Prince of Peace.12
He also called on the State of Massachusetts to pray that . . .
the peaceful and glorious reign of our Divine Redeemer may be known and enjoyed throughout the whole family of mankind.13
we may with one heart and voice humbly implore His gracious and free pardon through Jesus Christ, supplicating His Divine aid . . . [and] above all to cause the religion of Jesus Christ, in its true spirit, to spread far and wide till the whole earth shall be filled with His glory.14
with true contrition of heart to confess their sins to God and implore forgiveness through the merits and mediation of Jesus Christ our Savior.15
Josiah Bartlett
MILITARY OFFICER; SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE; JUDGE; GOVERNOR OF NEW HAMPSHIRE
Called on the people of New Hampshire . . . to confess before God their aggravated transgressions and to implore His pardon and forgiveness through the merits and mediation of Jesus Christ . . . [t]hat the knowledge of the Gospel of Jesus Christ may be made known to all nations, pure and undefiled religion universally prevail, and the earth be fill with the glory of the Lord.16
Gunning Bedford
MILITARY OFFICER; MEMBER OF THE CONTINENTAL CONGRESS; SIGNER OF THE CONSTITUTION; FEDERAL JUDGE
To the triune God – the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost – be ascribed all honor and dominion, forevermore – Amen.17
Elias Boudinot
PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS; SIGNED THE PEACE TREATY TO END THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION; FIRST ATTORNEY ADMITTED TO THE U. S. SUPREME COURT BAR; FRAMER OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS; DIRECTOR OF THE U. S. MINT
Let us enter on this important business under the idea that we are Christians on whom the eyes of the world are now turned… [L]et us earnestly call and beseech Him, for Christ’s sake, to preside in our councils. . . . We can only depend on the all powerful influence of the Spirit of God, Whose Divine aid and assistance it becomes us as a Christian people most devoutly to implore. Therefore I move that some minister of the Gospel be requested to attend this Congress every morning . . . in order to open the meeting with prayer.18
A letter to his daughter:
You have been instructed from your childhood in the knowledge of your lost state by nature – the absolute necessity of a change of heart and an entire renovation of soul to the image of Jesus Christ – of salvation through His meritorious righteousness only – and the indispensable necessity of personal holiness without which no man shall see the Lord [Hebrews 12:14]. You are well acquainted that the most perfect and consummate doctrinal knowledge is of no avail without it operates on and sincerely affects the heart, changes the practice, and totally influences the will – and that without the almighty power of the Spirit of God enlightening your mind, subduing your will, and continually drawing you to Himself, you can do nothing. . . . And may the God of your parents (for many generations past) seal instruction to your soul and lead you to Himself through the blood of His too greatly despised Son, Who notwithstanding, is still reclaiming the world to God through that blood, not imputing to them their sins. To Him be glory forever!19
For nearly half a century have I anxiously and critically studied that invaluable treasure [the Bible]; and I still scarcely ever take it up that I do not find something new – that I do not receive some valuable addition to my stock of knowledge or perceive some instructive fact never observed before. In short, were you to ask me to recommend the most valuable book in the world, I should fix on the Bible as the most instructive both to the wise and ignorant. Were you to ask me for one affording the most rational and pleasing entertainment to the inquiring mind, I should repeat, it is the Bible; and should you renew the inquiry for the best philosophy or the most interesting history, I should still urge you to look into your Bible. I would make it, in short, the Alpha and Omega of knowledge.20



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trish1

posted January 28, 2009 at 12:21 pm


Here are a few more. It is evident that our Fathers of this nation not only believed in God and Jesus. But they believed this nation would not last if we turned away from Him who blessed this nation in the first place. And it looks like they were right! We need to pray for mercy and forgiveness for the sins of this nation.
John Jay
PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS; DIPLOMAT; AUTHOR OF THE FEDERALIST PAPERS; ORIGINAL CHIEF JUSTICE OF THE U. S. SUPREME COURT; GOVERNOR OF NEW YORK
Condescend, merciful Father! to grant as far as proper these imperfect petitions, to accept these inadequate thanksgivings, and to pardon whatever of sin hath mingled in them for the sake of Jesus Christ, our blessed Lord and Savior; unto Whom, with Thee, and the blessed Spirit, ever one God, be rendered all honor and glory, now and forever. 56
Unto Him who is the author and giver of all good, I render sincere and humble thanks for His manifold and unmerited blessings, and especially for our redemption and salvation by His beloved Son. . . . Blessed be His holy name.57
Mercy and grace and favor did come by Jesus Christ, and also that truth which verified the promises and predictions concerning Him and which exposed and corrected the various errors which had been imbibed respecting the Supreme Being, His attributes, laws, and dispensations.58
By conveying the Bible to people . . . we certainly do them a most interesting act of kindness. We thereby enable them to learn that man was originally created and placed in a state of happiness, but, becoming disobedient, was subjected to the degradation and evils which he and his posterity have since experienced. The Bible will also inform them that our gracious Creator has provided for us a Redeemer in whom all the nations of the earth should be blessed – that this Redeemer has made atonement “for the sins of the whole world,” and thereby reconciling the Divine justice with the Divine mercy, has opened a way for our redemption and salvation; and that these inestimable benefits are of the free gift and grace of God, not of our deserving, nor in our power to deserve. The Bible will also [encourage] them with many explicit and consoling assurances of the Divine mercy to our fallen race, and with repeated invitations to accept the offers of pardon and reconciliation. . . . They, therefore, who enlist in His service, have the highest encouragement to fulfill the du¬ties assigned to their respective stations; for most certain it is, that those of His followers who [participate in] His conquests will also participate in the tran¬scendent glories and blessings of His Triumph.59
I recommend a general and public return of praise and thanksgiving to Him from whose goodness these blessings descend. The most effectual means of securing the continuance of our civil and religious liberties is always to remember with reverence and gratitude the source from which they flow.60
The Bible is the best of all books, for it is the word of God and teaches us the way to be happy in this world and in the next. Continue therefore to read it and to regulate your life by its precepts.61
[T]he evidence of the truth of Christianity requires only to be carefully examined to produce conviction in candid minds… they who undertake that task will derive advantages.62
Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation, to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.63
James Otis
LEADER OF THE SONS OF LIBERTY; ATTORNEY & JURIST; MENTOR OF JOHN HANCOCK AND SAMUEL ADAMS
Has [government] any solid foundation? Any chief cornerstone?… I think it has an everlasting foundation in the unchangeable will of God… The sum of my argument is that civil government is of God.86
Benjamin Rush
SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE; SURGEON GENERAL OF THE CONTINENTAL ARMY; RATIFIER OF THE U. S. CONSTITUTION; “FATHER OF AMERICAN MEDICINE”; TREASURER OF THE U. S. MINT; “FATHER OF PUBLIC SCHOOLS UNDER THE CONSTITUTION”
The Gospel of Jesus Christ prescribes the wisest rules for just conduct in every situation of life. Happy they who are enabled to obey them in all situations! . . . My only hope of salvation is in the infinite tran¬scendent love of God manifested to the world by the death of His Son upon the Cross. Noth¬ing but His blood will wash away my sins [Acts 22:16]. I rely exclusively upon it. Come, Lord Jesus! Come quickly! [Revelation 22:20]98
I do not believe that the Constitution was the offspring of inspiration, but I am as satisfied that it is as much the work of a Divine Providence as any of the miracles recorded in the Old and New Testament.99
By renouncing the Bible, philosophers swing from their moorings upon all moral subjects… It is the only correct map of the human heart that ever has been published.100
[T]he greatest discoveries in science have been made by Christian philosophers and . . . there is the most knowledge in those countries where there is the most Christianity.101
[T]he only means of establishing and perpetuating our republican forms of government is the universal education of our youth in the principles of Christianity by means of the Bible.102
The great enemy of the salvation of man, in my opinion, never invented a more effective means of limiting Christianity from the world than by persuading mankind that it was improper to read the Bible at schools.103
[C]hristianity is the only true and perfect religion; and… in proportion as mankind adopt its principles and obey its precepts, they will be wise and happy.104
The Bible contains more knowledge necessary to man in his present state than any other book in the world.105
The Bible, when not read in schools, is seldom read in any subsequent period of life… [T]he Bible… should be read in our schools in preference to all other books because it contains the greatest portion of that kind of knowledge which is calculated to produce private and public happiness.106



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Deb

posted January 28, 2009 at 2:34 pm


Information is power. Choices support freedom to act according to one’s own conscience. I am horrified that some people (in accordance, or not, with their religious dogma) promote withholding information that increases the number of unwanted pregnancies. This serves to place unnecessary burdens on many mothers…especially those that may be struggling to feed, clothe, and nurture their other children. You may not personally be in favor of abortion. But, it is a legitimate medical procedure that gives women a measure of control over their medical and family health. If you really hate abortion, then you should do EVERYTHING in your power to make it unnecessary. The way to do this is through education, and contraception!!!!!!!!



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Your Name

posted January 28, 2009 at 5:02 pm


Dear Deb, The time for choice is before you have unprotected sex. Birth control is free and can be had in any small town across America.As far as health goes what about the baby who is being sucked out through a tube. And please don’t come back with the dribble that it is not a person yet. That gets so old. If something is growing then it is alive. I think it is strange that women who are supposed to be the ones who nurture would take it upon themselves to kill something living within. Also there is never any thought given to the young girl who is having an abortion what her life will be like when the quilt kicks in. And it does kick in.



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Your Name

posted January 28, 2009 at 5:47 pm


Amen, Amen Here in lies the truth in the matter, “time for choice is before you have unprotected sex. Birth control is free and can be had in any small town across America. As far as health goes what about the baby who is being sucked out through a tube.”



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Boris

posted January 28, 2009 at 8:13 pm


Trish
Other than John Adams, John Jay and the rest of the men you mentioned had nothing with the actual founding of our nation. The Christian clergy of the Revolutionary period tried again and again to have references to Christianity inserted directly into the U.S. Constitution, but they were refused every time by the Founders. It is no coincidence therefore that there us no reference at all to Christianity or the Bible in the two documents which founded the United States of America. It is historically incorrect, thus, to claim that America was “founded upon Christianity.” Modern-day conservative propaganda about the Christian birth of our nation is therefore just as erroneous and self-serving as Christian pronouncements about the birth of our universe. In both case, “people of God” completely ignore the actual evidence at hand and conjure up a fictitious tale. They then spread the myth so frequently that it is soon accepted uncritically by the citizenry.
The claim that our founders believed the Bible or in Jesus is ludicrous and an insult to their intelligence. Thomas Paine was the inspiration for the Revolution and all our founders were aware of his work especially his thorough debunking of the Christian religion in his book The Age of Reason. To think that the men who founded our nation believed a stupid story about dead people coming back to life and climbing out of their graves and appearing to many is just ridiculous. They didn’t.
After noting that none of the other gospels mention this remarkable occurrence, Thomas Paine argues that this event had it actually occurred, would have been far too significant for the other New Testament writers to ignore. He then subjects the report to the full force of his wit:
It is an easy thing to tell a lie, but it is difficult to support the lie after it is told. The writer of the book of Matthew should have told us who the saints were that came to life again, and went into the city, and what became of them afterward, and who it was that saw them-for he is not hardy enough to say he saw them himself Whether they came out naked, and all in natural bluff, he-saints and she-saints; or whether they came out full dressed, and where they got their dresses. Whether they went to their former habitations, and reclaimed their wives, their husbands, and their property, and how they were received: Whether they entered ejectments for the recovery of their possessions, or brought actions of crime.,con, against the rival interlopers; Whether they remained on earth, and followed their former occupation of preaching or working; or whether they died again, or went back to their graves alive, and buried themselves.
Thankfully we have the words of the men who did found this nation to refute the words of Christian propagandists like you Trish. Shame on you.



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pagansister

posted January 28, 2009 at 9:08 pm


For those who are opposed to abortion…DON’T HAVE ONE but don’t deny another woman the choice to do with her body what she feels is necessary. The argument about “don’t have unprotected sex” is easy for someone to say who lives in a clean house, has food to eat and doesn’t have to worry about where her next meal comes from…unlike some in this country and those in poor countries with wars, rebel soldiers who rape, famine, Aids etc. For those who are scared and need comfort (not the rapists) women and men engage in sexual activity for a small amount of pleasure. Not all have access to condoms etc. With the release of the funds more women can be protected from disease and an unwanted pregnancy. Obviously birth control is ideal and stops the need for possible abortions. However when an unwanted pregnancy happens ALL women, no matter what country, should be able to choose what to do about it. Obama is a smart man. He realizes that health care for women everywhere is a right. Just because a health care facility might also perform abortions is no reason to cut off funds.



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pagansister

posted January 28, 2009 at 9:10 pm


OH, and as to the Vatican…NOT YOUR BUSINESS!



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Boris

posted January 29, 2009 at 3:41 am


“The Catholic Church is the only organization on record to dispense money from a slush fund set up soley for the paying off of abused children’s families. So always remember you cannot judge a man by his collar.” – Harvey Fierstein
The Vatican and the pedophile perverts inside it are just twisting in the wind now as the Catholic Church has become moribund and impotent. It’s really funny to watch them make all these proclamations that no one is paying any attention to any more. Oh how the might have fallen.



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Eddie Maddox

posted January 30, 2009 at 5:12 am


It seems that those who support Abortion
value Choice and Privacy
over Life.
It also seems that those who support Circumcision likewise
value Choice and Privacy
over “Limb”.
And so there are at least these two issues where
some people, even among “Christians”,
value Choice and Privacy
over Life and “Limb”
and therefor we, even “Christians”, are divided,
just like the Gospels say of people regarding
whether Jesus was the “Messiah”/”The King of the Jews”.
So there is really no “Separation between Church and State”
since both Church and State still share in being divided,
whether over contemporary matters like
Choice and Privacy versus Life and “Limb”,
or over long-standing matters like
whether Jesus was the “Messiah”/”The King of the Jews”.
Thank you,
Eddie Maddox
Inwood IA USA



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GES

posted January 30, 2009 at 3:53 pm


It is a shame that the citizens of the United States do not know about the beginnings of our country. The history books started changing with specific information left out in the 1920s. Then all books after that reference the 1920s’ books and now look what we have – people that have no real clue about why and how this country was started. As you can see from Boris and others they believe the books or more likely others who heard it from someone else – yes I even heard the same lies in High School in the 1960s. I would challenge anyone to prove using original documents from the Library of Congress or the Yale website above that most or all our fore-fathers, were agnostic or atheistic. You can even read their personal letters. But do not repeat something you cannot backup with original documents.
Regarding abortion – it is a law gone awry. No one can truly stop a woman from making a “choice”. The problem arises when those of us who do not agree with abortion have to pay for this “choice”. The simplest solution to “choice” or abortion is for those who support or desire abortions help fund it with their own money. All pro-choice individuals should form their own organization and use the organizations funds (not government or taxpayer funds) to assist anyone who requests this service. Put your money where your mouth is but do not make the rest of us suffer the consequences.



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GES

posted January 30, 2009 at 3:57 pm


Somehow the address did not make it.
Check out this website, http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/pa08.asp



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Your Name

posted January 30, 2009 at 4:13 pm


Way to go Boris, but what good are glasses to people who won’t open their eyes? Justice Blackmun got it right when he emphasized “the distress, for all concerned, associated with an unwanted child.”
As for those who would deny sex to all except those willing to accept parenthood within nine months–yeah, rrriiiigghhht!! Biologically absurdity.



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Boris

posted January 30, 2009 at 8:56 pm


It’s a shame when people like GES blur the distinction between the settling of North America which began in the 1400’s and the founding of the United States of America in 1776 a few CENTURIES later. The people who settled the land and began a systematic genocide of the Native Americans were certainly Christians, mostly Puritans. But the men who founded the nation were mostly deists and few if any professing Christians. 50 of the 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence were Freemasons. Becoming a Freemason meant excommunication from both the Catholic Church and Protestant denominations as well. Still early on much of our education was religious based. When textbooks were needed for public schools much of the history of our nation was written by Christians who, in the tradition of Church propagandist and liar Eusebius, told things in a way to put the Christian religion in a much more prominent position than it actually was. Like Eusebius they told only what could help their cause and left out much of the truth about all the evils and suffering Christianity had caused right down through history. Even today students are largely unaware of the brutal and dishonest war on science Christianity has fought ever since its beginnings and still fights today. This is because we are still attempting to wipe all the Christian propaganda, lies and historical revisionism from our history textbooks.
As far as having to pay for abortions, who cares? My tax dollars are used for killing people every day and I disagree with my government’s holy war on Islam being fought in Iraq and Afghanistan. If you ask any American they will object to many things the government spends money on. Big deal.



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Tracheostomy

posted January 31, 2009 at 10:38 pm


Quote: [It is an easy thing to tell a lie, but it is difficult to support the lie after it is told.]
Great, then I’ll be waiting for your direct quotes from Thomas Paine as to what he actually debunked. Or is this a case of Boris telling us all “Do as I say, not as I do?”
As for the Matthew reference, you interpret “saint” according to the RCC’s hijacking of it, when even Paul’s letters greeted them. And living saints at that. Nice try there.
I’ll be waiting.



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posted February 5, 2009 at 6:19 pm


Boris is only inclusive of historical and scientific information which he interprets conclusively to support his own believes. Examine his other posts and how he displays his conformational bias.



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Boris

posted February 5, 2009 at 6:55 pm


Your Name,
Like I’ve said before name ‘em and claim ‘em. If I’ve made incorrect statements you must tell us all exactly what these were. Otherwise so far you’ve said nothing, refuted nothing and now painted yourself into a corner. Come up with something so I can bring the hammer down on it. PLEASE.



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N. Lindzee Lindholm

posted November 1, 2009 at 2:54 pm


If all the pro-abortion legislation does not make Pres. Barack pro-abortion, I don’t know what would! Bush’s policies did not make woman’s health care “unhealthy”, unless you define healthy as killing millions of innocent, living fetuses. Certainly politicians’ own agenda is being followed instead of the will of the people.



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ungw

posted November 2, 2009 at 1:20 am


You think women get abortions because politician’s want them to? No, I think the issue has been left in the hands of the people involved, and it is their will being followed. Many people who consent to sex, do not consider it as consent to become a parent. The people’s will is freely demonstrated by their actions.



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