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Hillary v. Barck, sexism v. racism?

posted by David Kuo

I heard something this morning I’d never heard before. A person saying they are so angry about the sexist attacks against Hillary Clinton that they would vote for a Republican before they would vote for Barack Obama.
Extraordinary.
I am not an expert in either racism or sexism. What I do know, however, is that if Democrats really want to win in November, they had better come to some place of peace and reconciliation very fast because it looks for all the world like the Republican nominee will be in place next week and John McCain is a very attractive candidate for a whole lot of Americans.



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Charles Cosimano

posted January 31, 2008 at 11:10 am


And they had best realize the charges won’t work against a Republican because it will only more firmly lock the white male vote to McCain.



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PatientWitness

posted January 31, 2008 at 12:44 pm


Can anyone point to some specific sexist remarks made by Obama? Or was this person just angry, believing that any verbal attack against a female opponent must be sexist?



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Brian Horan

posted January 31, 2008 at 2:22 pm


There have been no verbal attacks on Hillary or vice versa. Bill was retarded mentally when spoke of Jesse Jackson’s South Carolina wins (but it was highly nuanced… typical old-style)
I’m campaigning for Barak by phone banking. I can at least say that when (*people who sound like*) blacks on the phone bring up Hillary, they sound positive.
I think the issue is that people are highly vested in their campaigns. When your campaign looses and you believed, it hurts.
I think one could suggest problems on the Republican side too:
For better or for worse, if Mitt gets the nomination… that will have legitimized what the Evangelical block considers to be a bona fide cult in the Latter Day Saint tradition. [Honestly, I prefer Mormons over Evangelicals - they may not believe in the Trinity and they think they'll become Gods over worlds like the God of our world(; but they don't condemn people publicly and seem to act a lot more lovingly)]
John McCain call the constitutional ban on gay marriage un-American. How’s that gonna sit with Evangelicals?
The Republicans have courted folks that are hell-bent on dividing Americans into classes [e.g., those who will praise the Lord eternally in heaven (like Beliefnet member Donny) & those who will burn everlastinly in a lake of fire called hell (like me - at least I won't be alone)]
This continual dividing of Americans by Republicans is probably gonna cost them a lot more a the polls then Democrats.
The most polarizing figure of all will be (anointed Evangelical King George W. Bush). McCain wasn’t too bright to say out loud that we’ll be in Iraq the next 100 years because it links him right back to W.



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Larry Parker

posted January 31, 2008 at 2:59 pm


The real issue is the Latino v. African-American rivalry that may push states like California and Texas to Clinton if Obama is not careful …
Voting for the ultimate “macho man,” a guy who spent seven years in the Hanoi Hilton and thinks we should go to war for 100 years in Iraq, doesn’t exactly strike me as being the smartest of feminist moves …



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Brian Horan

posted January 31, 2008 at 5:19 pm


Larry,
I hope that the real issue is the average American. I hope you’re incorrect. I’m sure you meant well by your email though.
Although, I am an Obama supporter I’ll admit that most campaigns I’ve worked on have divided folks by demographics. That’s a practicality and if it’s miscommunicated it’s a banality.
I’ll be calling Latinos on behalf of Obama because I speak Spanish. I’m just a white guy who believes the beauty of our country is that we’re all different.
My family’s Irish and I know that the early ‘nativists’ couldn’t stand my forbearer’s Irish stench. But I believe that my family morphed into that tasty American Apple Pie with all it’s sweetness and spice.
I do believe that Obama and other Democrats care more for average Americans and have concrete plans that could as JFK put it: ‘Lift all boats.’



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Kat

posted January 31, 2008 at 7:16 pm


I would also like to know what sexist attacks this person is referring to. I am especially curious because the New York State Chapter of NOW called Ted Kennedy’s endorsement of Obama “the ultimate betrayal of women”.
So I am wondering what this person considers a “sexist attack”. If its along the same ridiculous lines as the NOW press release, then oh, please.



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eastcoastlady

posted February 1, 2008 at 1:07 pm


Maybe the “sexist attack” refers to when Hillary’s eyes appeared to well up during her interview last week when she was exhausted during her interview and said how difficult the campaign trail can be? Others used that moment to point to her potentially being too emotionally weak to be president.



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Anna

posted February 1, 2008 at 2:18 pm


One of the saddest things I’ve heard over the past year coming from fellow Republicans and others is that this country isn’t ready for a woman or a black person in the White House. It actually makes me sick to my stomach. I really hope the majority in this country are beyond that.
I would love for John McCain to pick Condi as his running mate and then all those folks could just go find out what this country is really ready for!



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Larry Parker

posted February 2, 2008 at 12:21 am


Brian:
I’m an Obama supporter, too. Believe me, I hope I’m wrong.



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MinnowSpeaks

posted February 3, 2008 at 6:02 am


Please why mischaracterize what people say. Senator McCain has repeatedly said the presence that we might have in Iraq is like that we have all over the world. Are we fighting a war in Germany?–No, well we have military there, imagine that.
On the topic of this post I don’t recall any sexist remark made by Senator Obama, or any of his staff for that matter. I think the rasist remarks that were made were made by former President Clinton, the worst being something to the effect of the only reason an African-American would vote for Obama is because Obama is black. I’ve heard both Republicans and Democrats “question” whether or not we’re ready for a woman or an African-American president. I think we are. Too bad Ms Rice isn’t running!



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Larry Parker

posted February 3, 2008 at 11:07 pm


Minnow:
I agree McCain meant 100 years of bases, not 100 years of active war.
The fact remains that this old warrior is willing to invest whatever it takes in money, materiel and cannon fodder to “win” a war that the strong majority of Americans believes never merited the shedding of our troops’ blood in the first place.



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