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I’ll be doing live commentary on the Romney speech on MSNBC starting a 10am (EST) and will be on CNN again in the 1:30 hour.



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Donny

posted December 6, 2007 at 9:21 am


Then TALK about the FACT that Romney IS A GOD. Literally. According to “Mormon” truth and doctrine. The “faith” he supports and follows.
“As man is “God” once was. As God is man may become.”
That is Mormon doctrine. Don’t blame that on Christians.
Just a little truth David on TV? C’mon man.



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Doug

posted December 6, 2007 at 9:34 am


That’s good news. I mean, not gospel, but glad tidings. I don’t know if I’ll be able to get to a tv then but I”m hoping I can catch you on YouTube or the MSNBC and CNN websites before the cock crows three times.
On the topic, I’ve been thinking about this, though: There are non-chalcedonean churches that no one doubts are Christian such as the Coptic and Ethiopian Orthodox that no one questions are Christian churches. I do wonder if we should be more careful about what is and isn’t Christianity, the only obvious pre-requisite is Christ in the center of the faith.



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Doug

posted December 6, 2007 at 10:20 am


I don’t know if Joe Scarborough knows the evangelical constituency better than anyone else on earth, but I bet you he’s glibber than the competition.



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Donny

posted December 6, 2007 at 10:21 am


ONLY the religious political power mongers will go Romney. Christians will look elsewhere. That Romney was voted in by “Massachusetts” easterners is also not a good selling point about Romney or his true, core beliefs.



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Doug

posted December 6, 2007 at 10:31 am


10,000 points for “the greatest threat.” That was beautiful.
Donny, good to see you back.



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Donny

posted December 6, 2007 at 11:02 am


Well done Mr Romney.
Great speech. Home run.
I’m still never going to vote for you. 90% because of Massachusetts, 10% is the theology of Mormonism.
Lutheran, Catholic, Baptist, Episcopalian, Methodist, Evangelical, Pentecostal, and many, many, others of “Biblical” truth, agree on the same thesology. They ALL oppose Mormon theology.
On politics, you left Massachusetts the den of pederasty. If couldn’t handle that tiny state, there is no way I want you running the Wuite House.
Mike Huckabee, ran a state well.



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Donny

posted December 6, 2007 at 11:05 am


“10,000 points for “the greatest threat.” That was beautiful.
Donny, good to see you back.”
Posted by: Doug | December 6, 2007 10:31 AM
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Doug,
Thanks.
Beliefnet has had some kind of computer program expunging my responses as soon as I press post.
I’ll try to not be so Christian in the future.
(Not)



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Sheilagh

posted December 6, 2007 at 11:47 am


What ISN’T know about Massachusetts.
Is that there IS still a big Catholic community of old school – think Jimmy Carter and prior- Democrats who are completely disgusted by all the snooty progressive lefties who’ve taken over Mass. politics. And that until recently Massachusetts Catholic Democratic State Reps had a Pro-Life majority in the state house. And a pro-life speaker.
Problem was these pro-life leaders were also corrupt and were pushed out of office or retired. And what filled the leadership vacuum was this Hyper-lefty progressive crowd. Now most of the working class former Democrats are registered Independents.
When Romney ran against Shannon O’Brien for Mass. governor in 2002, her democratic platform amounted to abortion and gay marriage and the Massachusetts people rejected it. Hopefully the current uber-leftie Duval Patrick,will further expose and sour people to the ideas of the far left. But at this time so many people have left the Commonwealth, there’s really no telling if the silent democrats will ever speak again.



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Charles Cosimano

posted December 6, 2007 at 11:48 am


Will someone please ask what the hell theology has to do with running a country? I can think of lots of reasons not to vote for Romney but his underwear is not among them.



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SkipChurch

posted December 6, 2007 at 12:27 pm


If it comes down to whether America would be better off if it were more like Massachusetts, or more like Arkansas, I don’t think there is much question what the answer is. But I don’t think it’s reasonable to blame or credit a candidate based on what state he happens to be from. No more do I think that a candidate’s theology tells us much of political interest. I suppose you could say that if a person is capable of swallowing a bundle of fairy tales as obviously absurd as those of the LDS, that the person’s judgement must be impaired, but then the same could be said about any religion, so it seems to me to be a non-issue. Politicians in America must profess some sort of religion. It would be better if that weren’t the case, and we could be spared all this pious posturing, but that’s America for you.



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Doug

posted December 6, 2007 at 1:01 pm


Charles, give a man power to launch nuclear missiles and underwear is everything.



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Steve Sisson

posted December 6, 2007 at 2:52 pm


Huckabee and Romney on TV all morning. I feel as though it must be a campaign for reverend-in chief. Lots of talk about religious freedom but their words and body language seemed to make it clear that we should not accept as a viable candidate someone who doesn’t publicly profess a faith that is very close to (or at least seems close to) that of the dominant evangelical Christians running the party now.
Suppose that one of these two people is elected and he goes on to carry out the evangelical Christian agenda (outlawing abortion, passage of anti-gay laws, outlawing pornography, outlawing gambling, outlawing cloning, outlawing teaching of evolution, outlawing the ACLU, outlawing divorce except for adultery, etc.) What would differentiate us from a theocracy? Legislating morals without broad based consent from the body politic leads to the kind of chaos we had with prohibition.
This might seem farfetched but the Democrats seem to have no real cause right now other than to oppose Republicans. Bush has enough major personality style problems that he could not carry this agenda through. But pair the organized and purposeful Republican party with a slick politician (both of these guys seem to have real political skills) and we may have legislated morality as the norm.



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SkipChurch

posted December 6, 2007 at 3:20 pm


Steve, they never really do any of that sort of stuff you’re concerned about because all the religion talk is just posturing. What they say they believe and what they do are very different. For instance, you can say that Jesus is your favorite philosopher and then set out to screw the poor, benefit the rich, lie the country into a war and torture prisoners. Not a problem! Once you’re in the White House, you don’t need Jesus any more.
So don’t worry! These guys are politicians, not idealists. They believe in personal power, not principles.



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Steve Sisson

posted December 6, 2007 at 4:29 pm


History is on your side Skip but if we ever get a real true believer what happens? The longer we mistake politics for faith the the higher the risk. (First time Ive blogged and appreciate the civil discourse here.)



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Jillian

posted December 6, 2007 at 5:57 pm


About Massachusetts Democrats, yes, the Party is no longer an Irish/Catholic-only Old Democrat populist club. And it simply will never be that again because the WASP/Irish tribal division is no longer what matters. Nor is the state economy based in low education blue collar labor anymore, utterly dependent on federal construction and arms contractor welfare.
Mitt Romney received 49% of the vote in 2002. Shannon O’Brien and (farther left of her) Jill Stein got 48%, combined, in the very best year for Republicans since 1984. What a rejection of their platforms! I guess the 2004 and 2006 elections, in which gay marriage supporters won a lot of seats in the legislature and the governorship, losing not a single seat, don’t count.
The one and only mandate Romney ever had was paradoxically to force out fellow outdated conservative- but nominal Democrat- Tom Finneran. Without Finneran to attack he had no pull left or job to do. At the same time the Archdiocese of Boston attained worldwide fame for its conservative manner of dealing with pederasty and homosexuality. Those are all self-inflicted defeats by the Right in Massachusetts.
It’s not merely Massachusetts. One state after another is slowly realigning politically as older, more tribal, forms of society and the Cold War economy fade away.



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Doug

posted December 6, 2007 at 6:52 pm


Steve, we can be a boisterous bunch and there are a lot of different views held by the regulars here but, while the civility of the tone can vary some (guilty) I’d say all the regulars genuinely like each other and David, even the servants of darkness. I’m glad you decided to join us.



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really

posted December 7, 2007 at 5:21 am


Steve,
from your list, have you studied much of American history? If Roe vs wade being overturned means we are a “theocracy” would you agree that in the 1960s the United States was a theocracy?
Lots of the things you mentioned were illegal in the 20th century in the US, was the US a theocracy in the 20th century?
If abortion was illegal and you stop looking at your pornography, does that mean you are living in a theocracy?
dead children and abused women (abortion and pornography) is not the best political platform in the world.



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James

posted December 7, 2007 at 2:41 pm


David: Saw you on “Hardball”. You did a good job, at least as good as any guest of Chris Matthews can. He doesn’t seemed interested in anyone’s opinion but his own.



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