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Robbed Hell: A parody

Robbed Hell – C.A.S.T. Pearls Presents from Canon Wired on Vimeo.

Well-done parody.
Funny at times.
Even clever.

Ultimately, it tries too hard to make a point.
And still doesn’t prove anything.

Besides, Jesus never talked about zits.

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Aaron Armstrong

posted April 5, 2011 at 8:41 am


Agreed; it’s cute, but it’s trying too hard.



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Adam Whitley

posted April 5, 2011 at 8:44 am


I saw this when a bunch of my conservative friends posted it. It’s funny and well made, but it fails because it’s a strawman argument. And it gets accusatory and preachy at the end which never helps satire.



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    Dianna

    posted April 5, 2011 at 8:55 am


    This, exactly.

    I was enjoying it, and then I got angry because it basically says that Bell’s legitimate questions about hell (which are also MY questions) are somehow the equivalent of those stupid nonsense questions about the sound of one hand clapping – in other words, I shouldn’t be asking these questions. They’re not welcome in the church.

    And that makes me mad.



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Collin Simula

posted April 5, 2011 at 8:55 am


Yeah, I was definitely laughing out loud at points. But the Christian arrogance it espouses is way too overbearing. If these guys don’t believe that Rob Bell’s interpretation of the gospel is the good news, that’s fine. But making hateful (lets be honest, that’s what this is) videos under the guise of youthgroup Christian humor isn’t the good news, either.



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    David

    posted April 7, 2011 at 10:22 pm


    That’s probably what the pharisees said about Jesus when He called them whitewashed tombs full of dead mens bones. How dare he be so arrogant and hateful. It’s like he still believes in objective truth.



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Adam Whitley

posted April 5, 2011 at 8:55 am


I think the big problem people have with Bell is this:

When your religion is solely focused on scaring people into your group, you can’t have someone take the teeth out of the thing scaring them or else you are left with nothing.

//AW



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    James Williams

    posted April 5, 2011 at 9:14 am


    Really? I could have sworn I only disagreed with him because I am free to examine Scripture for myself, and come to different conclusions than Bell does. Thanks for clearing that up for me.



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      Adam Whitley

      posted April 5, 2011 at 1:06 pm


      Internet Rule No. 384: Read a little slower, otherwise you might end up posting a reply to someone who didn’t say what you think they said about a subject they didn’t bring up.

      //AW



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        Noelle

        posted April 5, 2011 at 4:40 pm


        Aw, snap, James!

        there’s a list of Internet rules? I am so not with the times. (and yes I am aware I probably just used snap wrong too)



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    David

    posted April 7, 2011 at 10:25 pm


    As opposed to when your religion is all about speaking with all the conviction of a politician on election year.



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Collin Simula

posted April 5, 2011 at 8:57 am


And the actual description of the video (on the vimeo page) is almost even worse.



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Dan

posted April 5, 2011 at 9:16 am


No one said it did prove anything. No one said it was created to prove anything. It’s meant to make people think. Talk. Dialogue. Something Bell wants. Something we all want.



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    Matthew Paul Turner

    posted April 5, 2011 at 9:25 am


    Actually Dan, the entire end of this parody poked fun at the “talking” and the desire to ask “questions”. It hardly welcomed dialogue.



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John Gardner

posted April 5, 2011 at 9:20 am


Here’s Doug Wilson (the parody video was produced by the church he pastors) talking about satire as an effective and acceptable form of critique:

http://dougwils.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8561:but-seriously-now—&catid=107:satiric-bite



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Joel

posted April 5, 2011 at 9:48 am


Dang, I was about to share this with a lot of people. Then the video went about a minute too long and lost ALL the humor at the beginning. Too bad.



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Josephine

posted April 5, 2011 at 10:33 am


Yeah was loving it till the end…then I think it was grasping at straws with the zit analogy. I am all about the questions…literally changed my life realizing it is actually ok to ask…and not have to have all the answers!!



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Zack

posted April 5, 2011 at 10:53 am


It’s Mikey from American Choppers!! Glad to see he’s involved in the church.



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Ric Booth

posted April 5, 2011 at 10:55 am


“talk like an idiot”
“shallow thinking”

That’s not simply another point-of-view or satire. That is just blatantly insulting.



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will

posted April 5, 2011 at 11:22 am


well-done parody, sure. but does “well-done parody” give Xians license to be insulting and hateful to one another?
full transparency–i disagree with Rob Bell on the topic of Hell, but he’s a brother, and i certainly wouldn’t be a brother to him by being a jerk about his story and his journey toward truth.
Also, the assertion that the questions are silly really begs the question. Furthermore, i really take issue with the fact that we, as ministers, have all the answers to life’s questions. I see through a glass darkly. God, and his world, are full of mysteries. Apparently, God likes it that way, too.



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Ric Booth

posted April 5, 2011 at 12:27 pm


I will say that actor does one hell of a Rob Bell.



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Charlie's Church of Christ

posted April 5, 2011 at 1:09 pm


I’m sure Rob Bell is in all of this for the money. I think you make even more money by offering answers…



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moscontramundum

posted April 5, 2011 at 1:21 pm


I’m loosely affiliated with the people that produced this, and I think that while it contains a point that needs to be made about Bell’s self-congratulatory, controversy-stirring twisting of orthodoxy to score cool points, it does cross the line. I don’t think it’s legitimate to say that Bell is talking like an idiot. Idiots are unintelligent. Bell is talking like a man who is hip first and Christian second. In trying to HIPnotize the Christian faith, he has removed God’s justice because it’s not cool enough for today’s society. That’s what needs to be said, in my opinion, not that Bell is an idiot.



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    Jace

    posted April 5, 2011 at 8:48 pm


    This may have been one of the best critiques of the video, and of Rob Bell, that I’ve read today. Well said.



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    Matthew Paul Turner

    posted April 5, 2011 at 9:02 pm


    You have a very incorrect perception of Rob Bell if you believe he’s “hip first” and “Christian second”. That’s not only unfair and false, it’s an easy stone to throw from distance. Rob is actually a bit awkward, unconventional, nerdy, and uncool. And Christian second? I mean, most likely all of us are “Christian second” a lot of the time.

    You disagree with Rob Bell’s theology. How does that make him self-congratulatory and controversial stirring?! Really? It’s a disagreement. Certainly not anything to hang your hope on or die for.



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    realrkennedy

    posted April 5, 2011 at 9:54 pm


    As an attendee of Rob’s church, mpt nailed it with “Rob is actually a bit awkward, unconventional, nerdy, and uncool.” I too have wrestled with some of the same feelings you have about him, and until I actually knew the man, I felt the very same way about him being controversy stirring and self-congratulatory. Sometimes I still see things that I would deem the latter. But it’s not the intent. Yeah, Rob knew there would be controversy from his book. But it wasn’t his reason for writing it. He lives in a town that for the most part has a christian reformed church on every other corner. He knew it would cause problems here, where his church is incredibly active in the community. Let alone problems elsewhere.

    Rob’s not trying to make the Christian faith cool. Rob’s ultimate goal is to reach the people that the other schools of thought have driven away, missed, and/or hurt. Not by downplaying God’s justice or holiness. But by emphasizing His love. Not judging, but simply by loving. God loves us all. And, Rob strives to have a church that does so as well. As a baptist by upbringing, hearing all about love, and little to no wrath, sin-nature, hell, fire, brimstone, etc, took some getting used to. I don’t think Rob’s any more right in his approach than most other approaches, but he’s different. And that’s enough.



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Kevin

posted April 5, 2011 at 1:25 pm


Wow do I feel like an idiot for ever asking a question. Glad this guy could steer me straight.



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Charlie Chang

posted April 5, 2011 at 1:30 pm


I think the video was funny until the last minute. My daughter asks silly questions but I don’t turn her away.

nicodemusatnite.com



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RyanC

posted April 5, 2011 at 2:14 pm


“Ultimately, it tries too hard to make a point.
And still doesn’t prove anything”

Kind of like Rob Bell…



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joel k

posted April 5, 2011 at 4:00 pm


I agree that Rob Bell is not unintelligent. I disagree that he is “trying to HIPnotize the Christian faith” because he has the nerve to question certain aspects of orthodoxy. In time, I have found myself coming to somewhat different conclusions than people like Bell and McLaren. However, when I first encountered them, they were a breath of fresh air. What I learned from evangelicals like them was that I could actually explore Scripture for myself, rather than having to simply swallow all that was fed to me by the evangelical church. And, exercising this freedom has actually deepened my understanding and even agreement with orthodox evangelical teaching. I accept much of it now, not out of obedience to some community norm, but because I have asked the types of questions that Bell encourages us to ask and discovered answers that strengthen my faith and make me more productive as an evangelical. What I find is that Rob Bell and I would likely disagree on a lot, but the process that he endorses has made me a much stronger Christian.

OTOH, the process that one sees in some evangelical circles of shooting down as some sort of hipster heretic anyone who dares ask a question has also had a profound impact on my faith. It has caused me, at times to question, whether most Christians even believe that this Gospel that we say we believe in is able to stand up to scrutiny. Thankfully, because I have been challenged to ask the questions that some would criticize me for asking, I have come to find out that our faith does indeed stand up to the toughest questions that we might throw at it.



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    joel k

    posted April 5, 2011 at 4:02 pm


    BTW, this comment was directed @ moscontramundum



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Brian

posted April 5, 2011 at 4:22 pm


That’s what I love about satire and post-modernity. Satire really makes the whole “asking questions, but providing no real answers” thing look terribly dumb. I echo what Tim Challies said on his blog about how some in our culture are trying to make doubt into a virtue. People who only question things and never provide well thought out answers should not be called pastors. They are politicians. Politicians are great at questioning things, but never good at actually providing answers.



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    LRA

    posted April 5, 2011 at 9:30 pm


    “some in our culture are trying to make doubt into a virtue”

    Critical thinking IS a virtue.

    Making stuff up with no evidence and then creating a “them” versus “us” club that has caused countless wars, encouraged millennia of gender discrimination, and slowed the progress of *real* knowledge (aka science) is *NOT* a virtue.



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    joel k

    posted April 6, 2011 at 9:21 am


    Why are we as evangelicals so scared of doubt, scrutiny, and critical thinking? If our faith is worth anything, it will have no problem standing up to our doubts. This is essentially the heart of what Rob Bell is about, and although I disagree with some of his doctrinal conclusions, I wholeheartedly agree with this approach.



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Noelle

posted April 5, 2011 at 4:32 pm


I haven’t been reading these Bell things because I don’t want to read the book. (though it must be some book if so many of you have already read it). I’m more a fiction gal.

I do like a good parody though, so I’m intrigued. Is there a specific video that this is after?

Oh, and yes, the Kevin Smithing the ending for a dumb non-message, totally misses the point of a good parody



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