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toni birdsong

posted February 17, 2011 at 11:14 am


Now that’s what I’m talking about!



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Cynde Knutson

posted February 17, 2011 at 11:18 am


Yikes!



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Ric

posted February 17, 2011 at 11:23 am


1. I love that his garment is see-through.
2. You need permission to use this. Don’t steal dancing Jesus.
3. That’s all.



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Matthew Lyon

posted February 17, 2011 at 11:24 am


so, thought:

“fundies” LOVE to decry the Catholics and Orthodox churches for the graven images of their icons. but then “they” (in the looses way possible) produce this crap making jesus do all sorts of stuff he couldn’t even have begun to consider doing.

does anyone consider the possibility of a Sacred image (ikonos) as juxtaposed to “graven images”?

Orthodox icons, i know, are constructed very intentionally to avoid any confusion that you are looking at a picture and not the real thing, that this is an aid, not an idol.

but what do YOU think?



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    James Williams

    posted February 17, 2011 at 11:28 am


    Man, I hate the use of the word “fundies” It’s name-calling, plain and simple, and is just as divisive, hateful, and divisive (yes, I used that word twice) as anything the “fundies” have ever done. It has no place within Christianity.

    By the way, while you are casting aspersions on an entire group of Christians, I wonder if you even have any evidence of who created this picture?



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      Matthew Lyon

      posted February 17, 2011 at 12:08 pm


      i don’t know who made this. i know it’s not in line with traditional icons.

      i also regret using “fundie” because it has caused you to miss the point of my questions and pick at a smaller point, creating controversy within controversy (which the hidden affect of this blog)

      i also think that making a truth-claim that this picture is “crap” with also distract from the question put forth, which is: is there such thing as a Sacred Image that can be used to worship? and if so (this is an addendum) are there rules?

      finally, if you haven’t noticed, your reply makes be defensive. you have alluded that i am both hateful and stereotypical in less five lines flat. and it looks like you didn’t even READ my post. which, to me, feel like defensiveness, though you claim the moral high-ground. which, i suppose is why i get to sense that “you” have even entered into this conversation, merely your reflexes.

      i do hate “fundies”. i hate mindless dogmatics, people who are trying to preserve an abstract ideal (law?) with no care for the complexity of human beings. i hate “christian” who wear the velvet glove of “love” over their iron fist of rebuke. i hate how “they” consistently reflect their generational and regional culture as if it’s timeless truth. i am deeply frustrated by “their” inability to handle their emotions, steward their reasoning and churn out dysfunction church after dysfunctional church.

      BUT, i would love to be in conversation with them (which i am not). i would love to have my perceptions of theme debunked. AND i would love to have a chance to be heard (because i’ve things to say).

      Mr. Williams, I do a lot of ministry with post-fundies who are beat up, and disenchanted with that type of “faith”. so i do have anger against these “christians” who do NOT reflect Christ”. Fundamentalism is the fastest road to atheism, and not the good atheism, but the bad kind. so, in my view, “fundies” have no place in christianity because, after all, they are not christian.

      and now my rant/tangent is so far off topic that i fear no one will answer my question.



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        Lee

        posted February 17, 2011 at 1:33 pm


        Didn’t Jesus say to love your neighbor as yourself, whether you agree with their beliefs or not? I do not agree with many people over a lot of things, whether it be lifestyles, doctrine, etc., but I still love them, because God loves them.



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          Silica

          posted February 17, 2011 at 1:50 pm


          He did, but that is probably the biggest challenge most of us face – loving people who spit at us, think we’re going straight to hell no matter what, or who in other ways demean and/or insult us.

          I can’t speak for Matthew Lyon, but I can speak for myself on this. I would like to be better at loving people who think these things about me (especially since some of them are members of my own family), but it is really, really hard. I don’t say it as an excuse to not love them, but as an honest acknowledgment of my limitations.



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        James Williams

        posted February 17, 2011 at 2:06 pm


        Matthew, I do not consider this to be trivial. To cast any group of Christians in the light you are casting them in is neither loving nor does it actually solve anything. I don’t doubt that some people who are fundamentalist have caused a lot of pain, and I don’t like it any more than you do. But you’re making a blanket statement. Jesus warns us against divisiveness in John 17, and it’s my stance that your comment above crossed a line into divisiveness. Again, it doesn’t help anything. Name-calling and accusing groups of people for the sins of some is never helpful. It only causes more pain, and convinced the unbelievers that we Christians cannot seem to get along.



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          Matthew Lyon

          posted February 17, 2011 at 5:07 pm


          james,
          whilst i can agree with your desire for peace and care (notice that i did call for conversation between myself and them), i also think there is a time for rebuking a paradigm, for calling a viper a viper.

          I also believe that the term “christian” is a jaded term that associates “us” (me and maybe you) more so with these neo-pharasee type fundamentalists than with jesus. so i’m not with you on the whole “any group of christians” thing.



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      Green Eggs and Ham

      posted February 17, 2011 at 11:03 pm


      Well, they most certainly stole my heart, soul and mind for a good long time. They replaced it with a screed of fear, hate and rules, and told me to spread this screed to all and sundry.

      I know that not everyone there fits this reaction. I know a good many there are victims as I was. However, I will fight hate and tyranny everywhere; even if it wears a halo and casts out demons in Jesus name. (I am right now thinking of the gay activist in Uganda who died because they needed to export their hate.)



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    Tracy Fitzgerald

    posted February 17, 2011 at 11:53 am


    Wait . . . are you saying Jesus “couldn’t have begun to consider” dancing? This may not be fine art, but I really don’t see why Jesus dancing would be offensive.



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    noelle

    posted February 17, 2011 at 6:04 pm


    I just figured out what a fundamentalist was like last week, so I’m not gonna argue you there. But how do you know the artist belongs to a Calvinist-based denomination? Can you read a signature on there somewhere? Lots of people from lots of backgrounds use Jesus in their art. Most of them don’t know what a fundie is anymore than I do. This could’ve been from a 12 year-old girl at Xian camp, or a 67 year-old guy on a trip across the country riding his Harley



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Notabigdeal

posted February 17, 2011 at 11:28 am


why do you think that Jesus could never dance??? What is the matter with Jesus dancing?



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    noelle

    posted February 17, 2011 at 5:52 pm


    I don’t think you get it.

    It’s not bad that Jesus is dancing. Something doesn’t have to be bad for it to be interesting enough to look at and comment on around here. Maybe you stick around for some more Jesus pic days and you’ll see.

    I like this one. Makes me smile. Makes me want a tambourine. Makes me almost make out Bob Dylan lyrics.



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Lee

posted February 17, 2011 at 1:42 pm


Totally off subject, but I find it amusing MPT has an advertisement for Justin Bieber’s movie.



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Candace Carpenter

posted February 17, 2011 at 2:23 pm


Have you been to a Messianic congregation, dancing is part of worship. Remember the scripture that says that David danced before the Lord. When in doubt what does the scriptures say, not your or my denomination!



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Sharkbait

posted February 17, 2011 at 2:39 pm


Tambourine Jesus does not look like a happy camper.



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Matthew Lyon

posted February 17, 2011 at 5:16 pm


how do we even know it’s jesus? maybe it’s Aaron, or Robin Williams, or John Lennon.



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BMH

posted February 17, 2011 at 5:44 pm


If I ever pastor a church, there will be a noticeable sign at the entrance that says ‘NO TAMBOURINES.’



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noelle

posted February 17, 2011 at 5:46 pm


I don’t get why anyone wouldn’t like dancing hippie tamborine Jesus.
This should be on a t-shirt with a slogan:
“It was the ’60s. You had to be there”
“Give peace a chance”
“California Dreaming”



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