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When $atan Attack$

Satan is attacking Pastor Rod’s ministry and they need more money to fight back.

Is it just me or are proclamations like this just a worship of evil? We give far more credit to “Satan” and evil than we do to God. And according to a lot of Christians… “Satan” works a lot harder than God ever does…

OR… could it be God taking Rod’s money? Or maybe the deacons?

Or his own poor accounting?

Just maybe…

…maybe

Found at Christian Nightmare and Right Wing Watch



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Jason Vana

posted December 22, 2010 at 6:12 pm


I completely agree with you – most Christians tend to give Satan more credit than he deserves. I just left a church where most of the members are like that. If your car broke down, it was the enemy attacking you. If your tire blew out…attack. If you didn’t have money, if someone got sick, if something…ANYTHING…went bad in your life, it was an attack.

Apparently God wasn’t big enough to protect them.

This is video is just manipulation to get more money and, the sad thing is, a lot of Christians will fall for it.



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    davepettengill

    posted December 27, 2010 at 10:42 am


    Jason I couldn’t agree with you more it gets so frustrating that whenever something goes bad or is tough automatically….It’s a Demon! You are being attacked! There was a girl that I was talking with recently that was describing how she could feel evil or demons around her. She said she would get a tingle in her body and then she would do a little shiver….myself and several others were like what you just described is what the rest of like to call a “cold chill” :) I believe in spiritual warfare for sure but I don’t believe there is a demon behind every toe I stub or every time I wake up in the morning and have to scrape the ice off my windshield!



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Tim

posted December 22, 2010 at 6:17 pm


You are correct. People want to give satan all kinds of power, but the truth is he only has the power God lets him have. Rod not having the money he wants is not satan attacking. Maybe it’s God saying “Rod, I want you to scale back this nonsense you have built up and actually focus on me.”



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Brad S

posted December 22, 2010 at 6:27 pm


I’m thinking Mr. Parsley will have plenty of time dealing with the real Satan soon enough.



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wintermute

posted December 22, 2010 at 6:31 pm


Or it could be the multi-million payout he needed to make
when one of the workers in his church’s daycare turned out to be
attacking children. How evil must Satan be to force the church to
make reparations to the injured family?
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/understanding-rod-parsleys-financial-woes
http://www.pamshouseblend.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=3368



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frogla

posted December 22, 2010 at 6:32 pm


LOL my youngest bro and I sat and watched him and couldn’t believe what came from his mind. We both were like really? did he just say that? we were trying really hard to figure out who says and thinks like that.



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JamesW

posted December 22, 2010 at 6:37 pm


Dang, I was with you till the very end, when it mention “right-wing”, as in politics. As a conservative (a nicer word for right-winger) I want to go on record as saying that Parsely guy is as far away form me as he is from liberals. In fact, what he says in this clip isn’t political at all. So the People For the American Way are being deceptive in even including this clip in their anti-conservative materials. And that’s a shame. Not surprising, but a shame nonetheless.



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    JamesW

    posted December 22, 2010 at 6:37 pm


    Fat fingers: ‘form’ should be ‘from’



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Leanne

posted December 22, 2010 at 7:06 pm


In this clip, yes, Satan is given too much credit. But so is Parsley himself. I saved 1400 children in 18 months. Satan is after me. There doesn’t seem to much room for God in his little shpeal there.



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Charlie's Church of Christ

posted December 22, 2010 at 7:22 pm


how does his ministry need over a million dollars? Where the heck is that money going? I can’t get over how fake these ministry guys come across when they’re begging for money.



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JamesW

posted December 22, 2010 at 8:07 pm


By the way, I have a friend who has the unfortunate name of Rod Parsley. He gets the occasional phone call out of the blue, with the caller asking how they can obtain God’s blessings.



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LRA

posted December 22, 2010 at 10:57 pm


(1) There is no such thing as Satan. Just like there’s no Santa.
(I may be agnostic about the existence of some philosophical prime mover, but the “Satan” that fundies use to scare the b-jezuz out of people is clearly a rhetorical device meant to control the “masses” aka the “sheep” who need a “shepherd” or a “pastor”.)

(2) This is right wing propaganda because of the hot button issue of abortion. It seems to be the ONLY issue the Religious Right votes on sometimes. That and other ways to force people to live in a theocracy… like anti-gay marriage legislation.

(3) So this church is raising money to help these unprepared mothers care for their new children? No? Well, surely they support welfare for unprepared mothers who can’t really afford to bring children into the world… No? Hmmm….. yeah…. so what’s the money for?



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    JamesW

    posted December 23, 2010 at 7:19 am


    (2) wrong. there are plenty or Democrats who are pro-life, and plenty of pro-choice folks on the right. Way too many in both cases for it to be an anomoly. Further, Parsely talked of talking kids out of abortion, not getting politicians to act legislatively. I stand by my assertion that PFTAW is politicizing a nonpolitical speech to make an unwarranted connection between real, rational conservatives and pinheads like Parsely.



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      LRA

      posted December 23, 2010 at 8:40 am


      Any talk of abortion pretty much eliminates democrats from the equation in the realm of religion + power politics in America. For instance, Liberty University doesn’t even ALLOW democrats on campus (how ironic given their name)–

      http://www.religiondispatches.org/blog/politics/1523/falwell%E2%80%99s_university_drops_campus_democrats_because_of_abortion_views/

      However, you have a point that there are a number of pro-life dems (rare in politics, but more common in voters, like Catholics for instance).

      If you are a “true” fiscal conservative, then your party (the Republican party) needs to find a way to separate yourselves from the nuttery that is the Religious Right.



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        LRA

        posted December 23, 2010 at 9:02 am


        ps. Perhaps this is why this man is on the radar of the PFTAW watch group:

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Parsley#Political_activism

        Dunno.



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        Leanne

        posted December 23, 2010 at 9:12 am


        I do not believe the article you sight, or any of the articles I looked up on Liberty’s stand on Democrats states they ban democrats from attending the university or being on campus. They have banned a democrat club. There is a difference. I do not like Liberty or where Falwell has lead the church but I think your statement needs a bit of clarification. Perhaps you left out a word.



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          Mark

          posted December 23, 2010 at 12:23 pm


          The article is correct. The Bush (W) Administration knew in 2004 that Ohio was a swing state and was not a lock for either Bush or Kerry. Bush needed an edge. So they made sure the issue of gay marriage would be on the ballot. They also knew the Paisley had a large black following and that there is plenty of homophobia in the black community. So there was some hope the Paisley could help Bush with the black vote in Ohio.



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        JamesW

        posted December 23, 2010 at 1:52 pm


        Weak response. Your statement that that article shows Liberty “won’t let democrats on campus” is deceptive, like this video clip. Democrats can walk around all day long on campus.
        I am not defending Parsely, but he specifically is saying he’s working within the pro-choice framework to prevent abortions. That has nothing at all to do with conservative politics. To associate all pro-lifers with a political party is no different from, for example, making an unfair statement about African-Americans and watermelons.



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          LRA

          posted December 23, 2010 at 2:55 pm


          James and Leanne, I tried to respond to you below your comments but it posted above. Threading fail on my part! Oops!



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          LRA

          posted December 23, 2010 at 3:08 pm


          In the mean time (as my comment above is awaiting moderation for including two links, I suspect), here is another article about Lib U’s attitude toward Dems:

          http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kevin-roose/liberty-university-democr_b_207361.html

          Sure, they are allowed to walk around, but they sure better not speak freely…



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          LRA

          posted December 23, 2010 at 3:52 pm


          And in Lib U’s own words:

          “I must inform you that the College democrats’ club is no longer going to be recognized as a Liberty University club. We are unable to lend support to a club whose parent organization stands against the moral principles held by Liberty University. I expressed these concerns when we met, earlier in the spring semester.

          The Liberty Way states, “It is the duty of every student to respect Liberty’s Statement of Doctrine and Purpose. They may not engage in any activity on or off campus that would compromise the testimony or reputation of the University or cause disruption to Liberty’s Christian learning environment.”

          http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/22/AR2009052202189.html

          See that? EVERY STUDENT must comply ON or OFF campus with their ultra-conservative agenda or else it may “damage” the reputation of Lib U or “disrupt” their learning environment.

          If you are a dem at Lib U, you better keep it secret because:

          “The Democratic Party Platform is contrary to the mission of LU and to Christian doctrine (supports abortion, federal funding of abortion, advocates repeal of the federal Defense of Marriage Act, promotes the “LGBT” agenda, Hate Crimes, which include sexual orientation and gender identity, socialism, etc)”

          How is that unclear in any way that Dems are NOT welcome at Lib U???



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          LRA

          posted December 23, 2010 at 4:25 pm


          In response to James: I hate to say it, but it looks like this Parsley guy is not your usual Religious Right nut. Yes, he’s got some very conservative positions, and I can see why watch groups have him on their radar (especially as he was affiliated with John McCain for a while), but he also has some surprising middle and even liberal tendencies. You can see this at his Youtube channel:

          http://www.youtube.com/user/pastorrodparsley#p/p

          I stand corrected.



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Phil

posted December 23, 2010 at 4:35 am


Do you know that I find it hilarious that Christians are the only bunch of people who can blame bad financial planning of a multi-million dollar company or ministry on…’the devil’…they themselves are being the devil to themselves by not planning and investing wisely.



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matt mewhorter

posted December 23, 2010 at 6:51 am


The problem with Parsley-and many mega church ministries for that matter- is that they become so big that they require a large amount of money to keep running. The cost of production alone costs millions a year for Parsley’s ministry. When the financial crisis hit us all, I watched a variety of mega-church sermons shift to a panicked plea (and chastisement) to the congregation to continue tithing and giving as normal. Despite what ministers may say, some people CANNOT afford to tithe! Tithing as it is set up is misleading and burdening well-meaning people who have lost their jobs or homes.
Parsley’s rant isn’t about Satan and he knows it. Blaming Satan is the only way many Christians will buy it. I’m not so sure his money problems is from poor accounting. His ministry (and lifestyle it provides him) is too expensive and is near impossible to maintain in these economic times.



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Leanne

posted December 24, 2010 at 11:59 am


LRA–
I am not disputing the fact Liberty has stopped the free expression of democrats on their campus. I understand the Democrat club is not allowed to meet on campus. But that does not mean students who are democrat cannot attend the university. Democrats probably would not feel comfortable and welcome but those articles do not state democrats cannot attend. Would I want to attend as a democrat? no. Would i want to attend as a republican since they are biased? no.
You ask others for proof. Can you prove there are no students at liberty who are democrat?
I am not saying Liberty welcomes democrats but the articles you have used do not say democrats cannot attend. They cannot freely express themselves as an organized group.
There is a difference between what you are saying and what the article states.



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    LRA

    posted December 24, 2010 at 2:23 pm


    Nitpick if you like. It is clear to me that Lib U is ridiculous in their utter lack of liberty– once again fundies have demonstrated that they have broken irony-detectors.

    The larger point here is that (1) abortion is a huge right wing issue that is ABSOLUTELY political [and that is evidenced in spectacular fashion in watching the bs that Lib U pulls when it comes to yanking support for College Dems OVER and SPECIFICALLY BECUASE OF abortion which they link tot he Dems] and (2) that Parsley IS politically active [even if he is a bit of a strange bird when it comes to certain political issues] BECAUSE of his stance on abortion [he views it as a means of genocide of African American people].

    For anyone to deny that abortion is NOT a political issue is just not right! Why? Because the decision to have an abortion is a highly PRIVATE decision that a woman makes on her own, with her significant other, or with her family. Anyone talking about SOMEONE ELSE’s abortion is doing so in a larger, public, political arena. These people who speak out against abortion are trying to make PERSONAL decisions for OTHER people they don’t even know.

    The Religious Right ESPECIALLY pokes its nose into people’s private lives by campaigning about abortion year after year… since 1974 when Roe v. Wade came down??? NOPE! They were just FINE with it then…. no, it wasn’t until Ronald Reagan was in the White House that the RR began to make this a slogan issue (and btw, Reagan signed into law one of the most liberal abortion laws in history in the state of California).

    Everything I’ve said on this post is to point out that there are good reasons why this Parsley guy shows up on the radar of right-wing watchdog groups. He is both politically active AND active on a right-wing issue… abortion.



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      LRA

      posted December 24, 2010 at 2:25 pm


      ugh! double negative! Should read: “To deny that abortion IS a political issue…”



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      LRA

      posted December 24, 2010 at 2:34 pm


      In case you missed it:

      “The Democratic Party Platform is contrary to the mission of LU”

      +

      “It is the duty of every student to respect Liberty’s Statement of Doctrine and Purpose.”

      =

      Dems not allowed at Lib U



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        Leanne

        posted December 24, 2010 at 2:57 pm


        Ok, so your “in case you missed it” seems to imply I am contradicting you. I am not saying Liberty is welcoming to democrats in any way shape and form. They are doing everything in their power aside from asking if someone is a democrat on the application and turning them away to keep democrats out of their school. But they don’t have a policy that says “no democrats allowed to attend.” Their policy is no democrats can gather under a school sanctioned club. I agree with you that Liberty is anything but a place of liberty. I agree with you they really suck at being Christ like in many ways. Yes, it is nitpicking but I believe the more we misrepresent the people we are opposed to in view, the more easy it is to dismiss them and the more easy it is to dehumanize them. Then we never hear each other and we continue in this broken state forever. I agree with you that democrats are not welcome but they still can attend. I have attended enough Christian schools to know nobody agrees with them entirely even though they sign the ethos and doctrinal statements.



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          LRA

          posted December 24, 2010 at 3:45 pm


          Ok– I see what you are saying there. I agree with you. Thank you for pointing it out. I should have chosen my words more carefully.

          And you are absolutely correct that dehumanizing the “other” is not a great way to go. I need to be more careful in my speech about it…

          I think that when anti-choice people call me a murderer for being pro-choice, this is very, very dehumanizing of me. It angers me and makes me defensive. Since I know how that feels, I should be careful about not doing it.

          Merry Christmas, Leanne!
          :D



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Leanne

posted December 24, 2010 at 9:35 pm


I am sorry people call you a murderer for being pro choice. My Christianity is questioned when I give my view on abortion and homosexuality too.
Merry Christmas to you too, LRA, and may next year bring you health, happiness and peace.



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