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Oral Roberts’ gay grandson says ‘It gets better…’

Wow. This video is so sad and compelling and beautiful. And I hope millions of people see it. And that those who see it help make it better…

(It’s a bit long, but so worth it.)

Sent to me by Matt.



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Alise

posted November 1, 2010 at 1:03 pm


Beautiful.

I don’t care what else Dan Savage has done or will do — this project is one of the best things I’ve ever seen.



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    Terroni

    posted November 1, 2010 at 1:19 pm


    I was thinking the exact same thing, Alise. Dan has a long history of giving gay kids great “hang in there…it’s going to get better, I promise” advice. In response to a kid’s question about coming out to his evangelical parents, he tells a particularly compelling story about a previous boyfriend and his Baptist father… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SgkviV9GIY

    (On a lighter note, Dan’s “Price of Admission” bit-also on YouTube-is the best relationship advice ever given. For anyone. Gay or straight.)



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bdc

posted November 1, 2010 at 1:08 pm


Sadly this is the story of many gay and lesbian youths in the church. I never was bullied in high school or college – but by those in the church it was relentless. Glad I was able to deal with it appropriately – others havent fared so well.



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Jenn

posted November 1, 2010 at 1:20 pm


Thank you for posting this – I share your hope that we will all work to make it better. While we are striving for that better more inclusive world we must not stop reminding those who are struggling that we care about their pain and that we will do whatever we can to walk with them in the rough spots because it will get better.



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Jenn Possible

posted November 1, 2010 at 1:29 pm


Gut wrenching video, for many many reasons. I cannot imagine the turmoil he faces with those issues, while part of that family. But that doesn’t make the end right.

‘Sex with someone you love is ALWAYS beautiful’ is a dangerous dangerous message.



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Clay

posted November 1, 2010 at 1:40 pm


So are we supposed to say, “Ah don’t worry bud. It’s cool if you’re gay!”?? If someone “came out” and said they were addicted to pornography and they don’t want to live a lie anymore, and that they’re going to chase after pornography, would we accept them in the same way we’re told we have to accept the homosexual lifestyle? No!

They’re both sexual sins and when you embrace a life that goes against God’s commands… that’s a bad thing.

I don’t believe in cruelty towards gays (or anyone), but don’t try to get me to believe it’s okay to be gay.

Also, everyone gets bullied. Not just gays. So this recent news that gay teens have been committing suicide is stupid. There are a lot of kids hurting and alone. Just because they’re not gay doesn’t mean they’re having an easy time.



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    Matthew Paul Turner

    posted November 1, 2010 at 3:39 pm


    Will pray for you.



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      John

      posted November 1, 2010 at 4:09 pm


      Clay:

      Thank you for your stunning exegesis of 2,000 years of Judeo-Christian history and its accompanying holy texts to finally answer the complex question of: “Is it okay to be gay?” Your insight was fresh and engaging, and your understanding of documents written in a bygone era (in antiquated language form) by long-deceased leadership about the very mysteries of the universe has helped to unlock the puzzles within puzzles that make up human sexuality.

      [Fail.]



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    Jenn

    posted November 1, 2010 at 4:09 pm


    Clay – I agree that no children and adults for that matter should be subject to bullying in whatever form it comes in.

    However, I do not agree with your equation homosexuality with pornography.

    I DO NOT know where I stand on the whole is homosexuality a sin debate given that I really believe the Bible is vague on the topic – and if you are going to point to Leviticus then I would like to know if you follow every other one of the dietary laws too. You cannot pick what fits in your ideas of good and bad.

    I DO know that it is not as simplistic as a desire/addiction for pornography. While I am not GLBT, I recognize that it is not a choice – they do not wake up one morning and say I want to like ___ or I feel like I was born into the wrong body. Whereas you can say one day I am not going to look at pornography and set up the support networks to stop it – it is not integral to who you are.

    I DO know that what I say likely has absolutely no impact on your beliefs but unlike MPT I cannot not comment – I know that my faith has enough room for my doubt and should be inclusive enough to show God’s love regardless of that doubt.



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      Kort

      posted November 1, 2010 at 4:32 pm


      JENN

      I understand your thoughts on Clay oversimplifying the issue by equating it to pornography. However, the Bible is extremely clear on this topic and Leviticus is not what I am referring to. I do however appreciate this video because evangelical Christians need to see how much hurt and pain is caused by uncaring, unloving, and Non-Christlike Christians that treat the issue of homosexuality flippantly rather than seeing it as a soul issue. I am deeply moved and hurt by this young man’s broken heart and deep emotional anguish. I pray that God would empower His church to engage these men and women in love just as His Son did on the cross.



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    joel k

    posted November 1, 2010 at 5:09 pm


    “I don’t believe in cruelty towards gays.”

    Sadly, the rest of this post does not demonstrate this at all. The issue here is not whether homosexuality is morally wrong. That is a completely different debate, and to treat these two questions as one and the same is an act cruelty to homosexual. Regardless of what you feel about homosexuality, as Christians we should be able to agree that it is wrong to mistreat anyone for any reason. We should all be willing to stand up in defense of the bullied, no matter the reason, even if we happen to disagree with the choices that they have made.



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Recovering Alumni

posted November 1, 2010 at 1:55 pm


Thank you for sharing this. Such a travesty how he was treated by someone so revered by many Christians…



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Maeve

posted November 1, 2010 at 4:18 pm


This gives me a lot of hope. Thanks MPT. And then there are people like Clay, the reason why we even need videos like this in the first place. It’s sad that the message in the video will fall on many a deaf ear, but I was listening, and it meant a lot.



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Ashley Jensen

posted November 1, 2010 at 5:10 pm


Why would you want millions of people to see this? It’s laced with liberal theology, relative truth, and not one shred of biblical backing. I empathize with his experience, it is heart-wrenching indeed but to say that ‘sex with someone you love is beautiful’ is wrong. So, two heterosexual eighteen year old kids having sex with each other outside the commitment of marriage is beautiful? It’s not beautiful. It’s a sin. Just like me judging this guy is a sin. Just like me cheating on my wife is a sin. All of us are need of a Savior, none of us are perfect. That’s absolute.

I agree that the church does need to love, I mean REALLY love people, step out of the judgement seat, and into more inclusive behavior; but the bible has very clear implications as to what is and isn’t sin (including this topic, Rom.1:18-27). I don’t agree with the endorsement of this video because there isn’t a clear line being drawn here. I really want to be known by what I’m for, not against, probably why I hesitated writing these comment. I’m not a ‘Clay’, but I can’t sit here and say that this video is all good either because it isn’t. Hopefully, I can continue to grow to love people more & more but I pray my inclusive love doesn’t blind me to destructive power of sin.



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    Matthew Paul Turner

    posted November 1, 2010 at 5:37 pm


    Ashley, I will pray that God changes your heart and opens your mind. Thank you for your comment.



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      Ashley Jensen

      posted November 1, 2010 at 5:43 pm


      Thanks, I always appreciate the prayers, but what does my mind need to be open to?



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    Jenn Possible

    posted November 2, 2010 at 11:34 am


    Ashley,

    Your comment was extremely well written and I agree with you 100%. The Church MUST learn to love, FAR beyond what we’ve done in the past. But we must also not lose sight of the foundational truths of the Bible…including what God says is right and wrong.

    I am glad you did take the time to write the comment. And while MPT prays that God changes your heart and opens your mind, I pray that God continues to give you a voice, because what you are saying now, is very much the heart of God.



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TS

posted November 1, 2010 at 5:15 pm


Matthew, thank you so much for sharing this and for the compassion you show on what is undoubtabely a controversial subject, especially in the church.

This video and Clay’s story highlight my own journey of growing up in the church, loving God but not knowing what to do with the feelings I had that I knew were contrary to what I believed.

As a gay Christian, and someone who still works for a church today, I understand the pain and suffering of bullying and shame that comes, sadly, from the church. I also have experienced and felt the love and grace of the Gospel through a church community that loves and supports me on my journey of trying to figure out where to go from here.

Thank you for your support, for sharing this, and for being willing to make some people feel uncomfortable… it’s people like you that we need more of in the church.

Lord, save us from your [crazy] followers.



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Leanne

posted November 1, 2010 at 7:47 pm


Powerful video.

The call of Christians is to love God and love people. The job of the Holy Spirit is to draw people and convict them and change them. I am having a hard enough time with the task God has given me to love Him and love others so I don’t need to take on the Holy Spirit’s job.
For those of you who feel you need to make sure everyone else is aware of their sin and do the Spirit’s job, you obviously must have your act together better than I.



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41me42

posted November 2, 2010 at 8:22 am


Bullying of any sort is wrong. For years I was deeply depressed beacause of things people in the church told me, as well as they way they treated me. I am not gay. I have learned to forgive.

I do not believe that GBLT people are going to Heaven, sorry. I am not going to go up to a homosexual and scream and yell in their face that they are wrong. Jesus repeatedly loved the sinner, but hated the sin. If we as a church could show love to the GLBT community, maybe they would give a thought to turning from their ways. If God destroyed Sodom for what they were doing, what makes you think homosexuality is ok?

I am sure people will tell me I am wrong for believing the way I do. I don’t care. I’ve been asking God to give me a greater love for people, and the mindset of how to deal with them. Come as you are, leave changed. Everyone. Not just GLBT’s.



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    joel k

    posted November 2, 2010 at 8:38 am


    Even though I disagree with you, I actually rather appreciate how you seem to handle this topic. I am not gay, so I don’t really concern myself with whether or not homosexuality is immoral; I have enough issues of my own without worrying about everyone else’s. But, the more important thing is whether we as the Church can love people, even if we disagree with their choices. Your post shows a willingness to do that.

    However, one thing that I would point out is your use of Sodom and Gomorrah as an anti-homosexuality passage. I think that if you studied that passage of Scripture, you would find that it does not support the notion of homosexuality being so immoral as to justify the destruction of a people. Homosexual promiscuity was just one issue in a whole host of morally questionable behaviors in those towns. The problem with using this passage, when you are trying to love the sinner, but hate the sin, is that, in citing this passage, you come across as equating group homosexual rape with individual consensual homosexual sex, which adds needless offense into the conversation.

    Why not instead point to the half dozen or so passages sprinkled throughout the Mosaic law and the Epistles of Paul that also appear to address homosexuality as one of many moral shortcomings that humanity may struggle with? In this, we can acknowledge that, assuming that homosexuality is in fact immoral (like I said, I don’t have an opinion one way or the other), it is no more or less immoral than your sins or my sins. The important thing is not so much identifying what others do that is and is not sinful. Rather, it is to recognize that we all fall short of the glory of God and need a Savior. This is true for both heterosexual and homosexual, and is not affected at all by the conversation about whether homosexuality is immoral.

    When we recognize the sinfulness that is in each one of us, then we can allow the Holy Spirit to bring about conviction and growth in our lives, whether that be a turning from homosexuality or some other issue that a person may have in his or her life.



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      41me42

      posted November 2, 2010 at 10:50 am


      Sorry, you may say you don’t have an opinion about homosexuals, but you definitely have a bias. :)



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        joel k

        posted November 2, 2010 at 5:38 pm


        Absolutely. We all are. My bias tells me that how I treat other people (including homosexuals) is more a compelling moral issue for me than who someone else is having sex with. ;)

        As far as whether homosexuality is immoral, I can see both sides of the argument. But, unless and until I am seriously tempted to pursue a sexual relationship with another man, I am not all that concerned with figuring it out.



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      41me42

      posted November 2, 2010 at 10:50 am


      By the way, thank you for having a positive attitude towards me, even though you disagree with my belief.



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    Leanne

    posted November 2, 2010 at 8:48 am


    41me42 writes:
    “If God destroyed Sodom for what they were doing, what makes you think homosexuality is ok?”

    The Bible states:
    Ezekiel 16:49 Sodom’s sins were pride, laziness, and gluttony, while the poor and needy suffered outside her door.

    It seems America has a lot more to be concerned about than homosexuality. We are a prideful and gluttonous nation. We consume more resources than other nations and obesity is running rampant.

    Just saying.

    My other question for you is: If someone who has professed Christ as Lord dies and have not yet dealt with a sin, perhaps gossip or maybe gluttony, in their life, will they go to Hell? They have “asked Christ into their heart”. They are Bible readers and devout Christians. Would they be denied entry into heaven based on their sin of gossip or gluttony?

    If they would go to heaven, why would you say homosexuals are going to Hell, even if they profess Jesus as Lord and Savior?



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      41me42

      posted November 2, 2010 at 10:43 am


      “Not everyone that saith unto me,Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of Heaven.”

      Matthew 7:21-23.

      Hebrews 12:14 also says, “Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which, no man shall see the Lord.”

      We are not perfect, I know this. I’m not the greatest authority on the Bible, but I’ll try my best.

      If you ask Christ into your heart, you repent of your sins. Therefore, you have dealt with your sins. The thief on the cross repented, and God forgave him. He didn’t say, “Forgive me of stealing my neighbor’s fancy toga”, he said, “save us and thyself” and later he said, “remember me”. Jesus told him he would be with Him in paradise that day. The thief on the cross was repentant of his sin. When we ask Christ to come into our hearts, ALL our sin is under the blood, if we are sincere.

      I hope I answered your question correctly.



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        Leanne

        posted November 2, 2010 at 10:47 am


        no it doesn’t. I never said that everyone is getting into heaven. My question was if Christians who are not perfect in this world and struggle with sin til the day they die can trust the Cross dealt with sin, why are homosexual Christians not given the same message? you stated you don’t believe homosexuals will get to heaven. But I know homosexuals who love God and love others better than many other Christians. They are sincerely seeking God and serving Him. Why will they go to Hell and not me, who struggle with other sins?



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      Matt from OH-IO

      posted November 2, 2010 at 10:45 am


      I think what you are asking is, does the New Covenant exist? And the answer is, astoundingly, YES. It does.

      That is why I get so sad for the way this issue is dealt with. Even if you see that this is a sin (whether you believe that or not) why single it out? I think another post mention that it is the Holy Spirit that convicts, not us.

      Here is a scripture that I think deals wonderfully with this discussion from both angles:

      Galatians 5:13-15

      “13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”15 If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.”



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41me42

posted November 2, 2010 at 10:45 am


I just realized that sounded a little once saved always saved. If you sin after your salvation experience, you must repent again.



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    Leanne

    posted November 2, 2010 at 10:49 am


    so every sin after you have trusted Christ requires you be saved again?



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      Matt from OH-IO

      posted November 2, 2010 at 10:59 am


      41me42:
      I think Hebrews would be a really helpful study for you about just what the atonement did. Repentance and confession after you have been forgiven and inherited the Spirit is a relationship process with the King of Kings, not so much a “give me salvation again, and again and again” type deal.

      I know we floated massively off topic but it is important. You should check out a book called “The Naked Gospel” by Andrew Farley sometime. It really sweet stuff that shows just so how forgiven forgiveness makes us.

      Grace and Peace.



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        41me42

        posted November 2, 2010 at 6:00 pm


        I didn’t mean you have to go through a whole salvation experience again. You have to “die daily” as Paul said.



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Matt

posted November 2, 2010 at 11:32 am


Just came out to my parents last week. They are making me move out and are cutting off financial support. That’s normally not a problem except I just moved home from seminary and am just starting a new career path.

Had lunch with my mom 20 minutes ago and told her I knew all these years that if they knew what I really was they wouldn’t love me anymore.

She said, “You’re right. We don’t love this but we love you.
“So it’s a conditional love then?”
“Yes, it’s conditional.”

And they wonder why I don’t want to live in their house anymore. Religion has hurt us gay people so badly. I hope relationship helps people see what Christ is truly like.

Btw, if you live in the Chatt, TN area and need to buy a house I could really use the help right now. :)



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    Matt from OH-IO

    posted November 2, 2010 at 11:52 am


    Matt (love the name by the way),
    I am a pastor in Ohio and I am truly sorry for this happening to you. I hate it that after all these years your parents have shown that their love is conditional, I want you to understand that your REAL father’s love is never conditional.

    I can’t buy your house and I can’t make any of this better for you, but what I can do is pray for you. I can pray that you find people (if you haven’t already) that love you unconditionally.

    I would also love to chat with you as well if you need a person from the “church” to talk with sometime.

    Just know that you a loved.

    Grace and Peace.



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    Leanne

    posted November 2, 2010 at 12:28 pm


    I am sorry Matt. I am sorry we Christians have gotten this whole love thing so very very wrong. I am sorry so many have hermeneutically destroyed sections of Scripture and chosen those Scriptures above Christ’s commands and example.
    I am sorry I cannot help in your time of need.
    I am sorry.



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    Maeve

    posted November 2, 2010 at 1:11 pm


    Matt, that’s the nightmare I know is in my future sometime. Not really pleasant to look forward to. Good luck.



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    Kevin Reitz

    posted November 2, 2010 at 5:48 pm


    Matt, thanks for sharing your story. I can’t relate to what you’re going through, but I can tell you that your story breaks my heart. You will be in my prayers.



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41me42

posted November 2, 2010 at 6:20 pm


Btw, I do not want to sit here and debate theology for days and days to come.

I feel for the GBLT community, I really do. I don’t want to see anyone, regardless of their lifestyle choice, be bullied. We as a church have a responsibility to teach others what God’s Word says. I know God loves the GBLT community, but according to His Word, they are wrong. That’s my bias, and I’m sticking with it.

I hope things will get better for GLBT people, but I also hope they will be changed by Christ.

Matt,
I hope things work out for you. How you have been treated is terrible. I hope you and your parents will work things out and be a family again.

God bless you.



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UUXn

posted November 3, 2010 at 6:36 am


I found the video very hard to watch. My heart aches for anyone who has to face a hostel family that cannot accept their children as God made them. Those struggling with their sexual identity should find a welcoming congregation. You may not accept all of their beliefs, but they will accept you. If you are looking for a safe place to be who you really are this may be a good start. Look for Unitarian, United Church of Christ or Episcopal Churches in your area.

It also makes me sad to see that the whole discussion seems to come down to heaven or hell. There is so much more to salvation. The kingdom of heaven is all around us. Being a follower of Jesus of Nazareth is mostly about what happens in this world. We need to first love on another unconditionally and to take care of the least of our brothers and sisters. I have fallen short of fulfilling this goal, but I try not lose site of the real message of Jesus. I will try to follow his teaching even if it is proven to me that there is no heaven. I would rather spend an eternity in hell than one day in heaven with the likes of Oral Roberts any way.

I shall get off my soapbox now and get on with my day.



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    Faith

    posted November 3, 2010 at 3:53 pm


    Also look for a local MCC church. God used the one I attend to change my life.



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James

posted November 3, 2010 at 11:22 am


There is a way that SEEMS right to men, but the end of it is death…



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Faith

posted November 3, 2010 at 8:46 pm


150 years ago people were using the Bible to defend slavery. Less than 100 years ago people were using the Bible to deny women the right to vote. The day will come when using the Bible to attack GLBT people will be just as unthinkable. It might take 20 years, it might take 50 years, but that time will come.



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DYMongoose

posted November 4, 2010 at 10:36 pm


I believe the Bible to be the truth, and the Bible clearly states that homosexuality is a sin, just as extra-marital sex, pride, idol-worship, theft, and lying are all sins. None is greater or lesser than another. Sin is sin. If you’re human, you sin. We’re born that way.

That said, I want nothing more right now than to give this guy a long hug. My heart hurts so much for him. I want to talk to him. I want to be his friend. I want to show him the unconditional love of Christ, so that he might see the truth through it. And not as a personal crusade or some attempt to make myself feel like I’m earning heavenly brownie points for it, but because the Bible tells us that Love is the greatest commandment and virtue. (Mark 12:20-31, 1 Cor. 13:13) Without love there is nothing.



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Moi

posted November 5, 2010 at 9:27 am


I am feeling compelled to respond to this entry after being a lurker for a few months.

I don’t know how the church got to the place it has in treating members of the LBGT community with such evilness. I was tormented and bullied for years (for being a good Christian girl in a “Christian” school) and that has left me with emotional scars that are still being healed. I cannot imagine then the amount of torment my friends and “neighbors” went through as gay leaning/identified individuals and what they continue to go through as adults and members of the local church.

Instead of being Jesus to them and speaking truth, the church is basically driving these individuals into the gay community that has arms open wide in acceptance. We cannot just stick our heads in the sand, hoping that this is a passing phase society and culture is going through.

I do have something to say to my fellow Christians who are well meaning and I believe correct in their belief that homosexuality is not what God intended for sexual expression. Please refrain from using remarks such as “God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and STEVE!” and “God hates the sin and loves the sinner.” The first is just childish and cheapens what you have to say and the second is extremely offensive to homosexuals and it hurts them.



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