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Possessed Pentecostals (Parts 1 & 2)

Not sure what they’re possessed by… but these people need healing.

Somebody call Dr. Phil. Or Dionne Warwick.

Wow.

Pentecostals should consider making it a rule to not allow video recording equipment in their church buildings…

And here’s part 2…

Found at RD.



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Mary

posted September 15, 2010 at 7:18 pm


Monday night we sat near a woman who was talking about the number of different lives she has had, (as in previous lives) and we were astonished. This seems so similar.



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Bobby Cohoon

posted September 15, 2010 at 7:18 pm


It might be head lice. Those young folks in the corner seem to be scratching there heads a lot.



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Dan

posted September 15, 2010 at 7:50 pm


Hey MPT! I met u at FIDO during the insurrection….remember me? Just wanted to chime in & tell u how much I dig ur blog… It’s freaking hilarious & thought provoking. Also I had to comment since I’m a “recovering Pentecostal” LOL. My dad was a pastor in the Assemblies of God 4 35 years & I spent 1000′s of hours in church services just like that. I’m still dealingwith the complexities of being introduced to God in that manner. Although I totally disagree w/ most of that “old school” mentality I have to say that pentecostal xianity is probably just as misunderstood as catholicism. It’s also the fastest growing form of xianity in the world. I remember hearing Phyllis Tickle saying that Pentecostal xianity is the one form that is present in almost EVERY other form of xianity ie= baptist pentecostals, catholic Pentecostals, Methodist Pentecostals, etc. I guess my main point is that yes, specifically this stuff looks crazy, kooky, and even scary. But on the broadview there may be more than meets the eye. At the very least I appreciate my former life in Pentecostalism bc it taught me to EXPERIENCE God here & now. It never privileged the WORD over the SPIRIT. I know longer have anything to do w/ corporate xianity (Pentecostal or otherwise) but I do still struggle to follow Jesus. Well that’s my 2 cents:) Love your blog! Keep up the good work!



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Peter Dickson

posted September 15, 2010 at 8:38 pm


Hey, appreciate what you do. I felt I should chime in as someone who is not Pentecostal but has spent some time at the fringes of the charismatic movement. You stated that there should be a rule against video recording devices in Pentecostal services. I wanted to say that, in my experience, there pretty much is such a rule already. Photography, videography, audio recording- avoided because it might quench the spirit. Scripturally unjustifiable? Certainly… done unconsciously? Maybe. Anecdotally though, Pentecostals avoid putting their stuff on camera or video. It could be as simple as not wanting to intrude on peoples private moment with God.



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Wes

posted September 15, 2010 at 8:57 pm


I’ve been in the church my whole life, but some scenes from the pt. 2 video is some straight up “Lord of the Flies” type chaos. We’re talking “Jesus Camp” creepy.



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JenDOC

posted September 15, 2010 at 9:26 pm


Future Tea Party voters. :-)
Seriously, is there a medical or psychological answer to this type of behavior?



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Recovering Alumni

posted September 15, 2010 at 9:27 pm


This is the K-12 school for Morningstar Ministries. Having been to many of their conferences (as a teen) this doesn’t surprise me in the least. They are just copying what they see their parents doing. In fact, I would say Morningstar is probably the MOST dangerous of all the charismatic organizations.



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Charlie's Church of Christ

posted September 16, 2010 at 12:04 am


I think this intrigues me more than disturbs me because I’m not comfortable discounting everything these people claim to be experiencing. I can see why in Acts people thought the disciples were drunk, because it certainly appears like intoxication in the video.



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Carole Turner

posted September 16, 2010 at 9:05 am


I couldn’t even watch all of either of them. I think this kinda stuff is so scary. I have been there, believe me, I’ve been in way to many services where “Gods presence” was manipulated. Kids are emotional, anyone who has a teen knows that going over board is very much what they do, in any arena, especially church, but the adults, well, I don’t want to judge them but I surely get creeped out by it. Sad thing is, I have many friends who love this kinda stuff. Its their Jesus juice, they live for these highs, these experiences and have major let down, detoxing times in between them.

Yuck.



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HolinessPentecostal

posted September 16, 2010 at 12:15 pm


What is it with MPT and Pentecostals??

I am a Trinitarian, Holiness Pentecostal believer. And proud to be one.

Obviously, some people are not in the Spirit. The whole Lakeland Revival/Todd Bentley thing is pretty whacked.

BUT speaking from my experience in my denomination, when it truly IS God, it’s wonderful. I have the Holy Ghost, with the evidence of speaking in tongues (According to Acts 2). I’ve danced in the Spirit, fallen under the power of the Spirit. Am I crazy? Am I a heretic? You probably think so. But I can assure you what I have down in my heart is real. Without God and the Holy Ghost, I would have killed myself a long time ago. Yet some people discredit the very things that happened in Acts 2????? You have some incredible audacity to make light of what the Bible teaches.

I know there are charlatans, I know there are fakes. But there are real, devoted Pentecostals who have the real thing. I’ve seen people healed. Two nights ago in our revival a girl who had a bad sprain and couldn’t walk danced down the aisle like it had never happened.

Don’t judge all Pentecostals by what is put on the internet. Go experience it for yourself.



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    Tux

    posted September 21, 2010 at 5:09 am


    I may be over reaching here, but I believe the point MPT is trying to get across is not that penticostals are heritics but a point the apostile Paul tried to get across to the Corinthian Church – how does this look to the unbeliever, does this hinder the mesage of Jesus?

    The events of Acts 2 are not being discredited here at all. There is however something that is being missed entirely which is the purpose of the pouring out of the Holy Spirit. A purpose which becomes more a apparent as you read on in Acts 2 to Reach those who don’t know God with the Good News about Jesus and Eternal life (be it through word or deed).

    The speaking in tongues refered to in Acts 2 is refering to an act of the Spirit where you speak you own language and people hear/understand it in there own language. IE: My mother was at a Bengali speaking service with a Bengali friend. By the Holy Spirit’s interceeding mum understood the message better than her friend did, even though mum couldn’t speak or understand Bengali. The goal of this work of the Spirit is to allow those that have never heard the Good News to here it plain as day and in a way they understand.

    The Holy Spirit is to be respected. The Spirit is with us to comfort not to give us a buzz, to enpower not to overload, to make us bold but not wild. 2 Timothy 1:7 says: For God has not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

    I praise God that His Holy Spirit has revealed the truth about your need for Jesus Christ and that you were quite literally saved by His grace. Now go with the power the Holy Spirit and tell people how Awsome our God is!



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Brandon Smith

posted September 16, 2010 at 3:38 pm


As a Charismatic myself, I have to say that there is indeed plenty to make fun of us about. There have been fakes, frauds, thieves, and charlatans that have been associated with us. But, there have been way more genuine people and genuine moves of the Spirit. I have people genuinely healed and not-so-genuinely. I have seen people genuinely “fall out in the Spirit” and not-so-genuinely “fall out in the Spirit.” Unfortuneately, I have even seen a true to life demonic possession. I do, also, ask that you please don’t lump us all together. There are crazies in our group, sure. But, there are crazies in every Christian denomination and tradition. And please remember, that just because something is weird, does not mean it is not true, and just because some people have different forms of beliefs, theology, doctrine, or even types of experiences than you have had does not necessarily mean that they love Jesus any less than you do.



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nazani14

posted September 17, 2010 at 9:08 pm


A couple of decades ago, labels like ‘mass hysteria’ and ‘repressed sexual tension’ would have been used to describe this behavior. I’m not so sure that the previous generation of psychologists didn’t have some good points, there. Compare this to videos of Umbanda gatherings, where the participants appear much less distraught. If they act so distressed when they’re supposedly in the presence of good, it scares me to think how they would act if they thought there was some “satanic” energy in a place or person. Happy people do not twitch or howl.



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Phil

posted September 18, 2010 at 1:45 am


I thought watching Benny Hinn was quite a thing to watch until these videos. Didnt bother watching all the first Video. Not all Pentecostals are like this thats for sure (I attend a Pentecostal Church), so its safe not to judge them via these kind of videos, these people do need help.



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Beloved Spear

posted September 21, 2010 at 10:14 am


I see very little difference between what is manifested here and the rituals that generate trance states in a variety of indigenous cultures.

Unlike other commenters here, this sort of ecstatic frenzy…generated through collective dance and chanting and intense emotional expression…doesn’t freak me out, and I wouldn’t say it’s necessarily evil. Bizarre, yes. But evil? Not necessarily.

But what it also isn’t is distinctively Christian, any more than the Ghost Dance was Christian, or the process of a babalao connecting with and being ridden by an orisha is Christian.



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